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Yankees reportedly out on Duchscherer

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 30, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Looks like you can cross Justin Duchscherer off the list of potential Yankees targets.

After an earlier report that the Orioles might be the favorite for Duchscherer, Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun reports that Duchscherer has narrowed his options to Baltimore, Seattle and Washington.

If the Yankees are going to land an additional rotation option — on something similar to the Bartolo Colon deal — their choices are going to be very limited.

 
 

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234 Responses to “Yankees reportedly out on Duchscherer”

  1. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    The Yankees didn’t seem to pursue him very hard anyway. He’s no Cy Young, but he sure has a better chance of being successful than Colon. I can’t say I’m pleased with Cashman’s idea of scouring around for pitching.

  2. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Betsy-

    Cashman must know that AP is coming back.

    The big issue is covering innings out of the 4 and 5 slots.

    I am not convinced that Mitre, Colon, or others can handle the load.

    Though our pen is strong you don’t want it overused by the half.

    I would like to see Cash pick up a fill-in starter who can eat some innings better than the guys above.

    I hope he doesn’t lose out on all of them.

    It’s cheap insurance.

  3. GMAN January 30th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    So if Pujols has problems settling a deal with Cards… is Tex long for the Yanks?

  4. Stoneburner January 30th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
    The Yankees didn’t seem to pursue him very hard anyway. He’s no Cy Young, but he sure has a better chance of being successful than Colon. I can’t say I’m pleased with Cashman’s idea of scouring around for pitching.

    But there is no way of knowing this – one whether Duchscherer will stay healthy – whether the Yankees’ scouts were more impressed seeing Colon hitting 94 mph in the winter league

    This from Cafardo – a Red Sox advocate of all:

    6. Bartolo Colon, RHP, Yankees — Nobody is expecting him to be the Cy Young Colon of the Angels in 2005. Not at age 37 (or whatever he is), but, as one scout put it, “He’s the type of guy at this stage of his career who can pitch well for a couple of months for you. So you take it and move on to the next guy.” And the Yankees have to hope the next guy is Andy Pettitte, who seems intent on getting himself a Roger Clemens-type second-half deal. “The Yankees are trying to get lucky with something here,” said the scout. “Sometimes you get the unexpected. I watched him pitch winter ball and he still looks the same and he definitely still has the stuff to get major league hitters out. The question is: for how long does he hold up?”

  5. Crawdaddy January 30th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    I think Cashman knows more about the Pettitte situation than he’s letting on too. Also, I think they have more interest in Garcia than Duke.

  6. Ruby Tuesday January 30th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    W h a t a s u r p r i s e .

    L . o . l .

  7. seeknay January 30th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    Typical Cashman!!! When he doesn’t have 140 million to spend, he has no idea how to spend it wisely as usual.. instead he signs a 400 pound beach whale with gray hair who hasn’t been in the majors in 3 years.

    After the Cliff Lee signing Cashman promised Yankees fans he would put together a team we could all feel proud of. TELL ME CASHMAN HOW ARE WE SUPPSOED TO FEEL PROUD ABOUT FARTOLO COLON BEING OUR # 4 STARTER? ITS EMBARASSING. IF YOU EXPECT ME TO BUY YANKEE TICKETS THIS YEAR, THINK AGAIN CASHMAN. ITS LIKE GOING TO SEE A BROADWAY SHOW AND THEN WE GET A HIGHSCHOOL MUSICAL INSTEAD. ITS NOT CUTTING IT CASHMAN.

    BARTOLO COLON IS A FAT PIG. HE IS AN EMBARASSMENT. GET RID OF HIM.

  8. Ruby Tuesday January 30th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    [ echo ]

  9. Ruby Tuesday January 30th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    L . o . l .

  10. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    MTU, I don’t think Cash knows anything about Andy………

  11. GMAN January 30th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    Andy won’t hold up for a full season…

    If he can begin his season in June…

    He can be a major factor…

  12. Tom in N.J. January 30th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    If Duchscherer gets a guaranteed MLB deal, good on him.

    Can’t say that I’m too disapointed in Cash not signing a pitcher who has thrown all of 28 innings the past 2 years

  13. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    Stone, if we were talking about a 6th starter, ok……..but we’re talking about a backend of Nova/Mitre……..with questions about AJ and, IMO, about Phil (forget performance – who’s to say the innings workload from last year won’t affect him).

  14. ChokeXOnXFailure January 30th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    SMH.

    That is all.

  15. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    Craw-

    I really don’t care which of them it is as long as they can eat some innings for us cheaply so that they can be jettisoned at the half if someone better comes along.

    We shouldn’t leave ourselves buck naked is all I’m saying.

    I don’t want to have to depend on Mitre, Nova and or Colon to eat a significant number of innings. Not completely comfortable with that.

    Let’s buy some cheap insurance now.

  16. Stoneburner January 30th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
    Stone, if we were talking about a 6th starter, ok……..but we’re talking about a backend of Nova/Mitre……..with questions about AJ and, IMO, about Phil (forget performance – who’s to say the innings workload from last year won’t affect him).

    I do not know what everyone is even arguing about – there is NOTHING out there that is going to change this team beyond what they have – except for Andy OR a trade midseason for a guy like Carpenter or Danks or etc. The situation is what it is – but to get up into arms about Duchscherer not coming here – come on.

  17. Fran the original January 30th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    FWIW the other night on Yankees Hot Stove, jack Curry said that if Andy didn’t come back the Yanks were interested in Garcia or Millwood.

  18. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Fran-

    Either one is Ok with me as long as the price is right.

    Cashman should make a move on one of them before they go off the board.

    If AP comes back they can go to the back of the bus at that price and be jettisoned as needed.

  19. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    The options were limited on the 10th of November. There were only two pitchers that suited the Yankees needs. Is Cashman supposed to take pitchers and other teams to court to force trades on his terms or force FA pitchers to sign?

  20. seeknay January 30th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Its Cashman’s fault we’re in this position.
    He could have signed Chapman, He could have traded for Haren last year, he could have done a better job in the draft. Since 1996 he’s developed 1 good starter… 1.. Hughes.

    Cashman has had plenty of time to put together a solid rotation and he continues to fail.

    HOw much money do you wnat to bet this loser acquired Derek Lowe or someone like that.. instead of doing the correct thing.. which is to find the New York Yankees a # 1 starter? Cashman is simply terrible at what he does.

  21. LGY January 30th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    A couple years ago Yankee fans would say Joba has the better personality to succeed because of his tough background, while Hughes was soft because of his upbringing.

    Funny how things change.

  22. Fran the original January 30th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    MTU,

    I am with you. If Cashman is interested in Garcia or Millwood I hope he makes a move before they are both gone. I just don’t see the Yankees starting rotation with both Nova and Mitre.

  23. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    MTU -

    To get back to your question.

    I like Garcia over Millwood because Freddie is simply the better pitcher, ERA, W-L, WHIP, and I believe he has enough left in the tank to give us a good season. If we signed Garcia, and he gave us what he did last year, 12-6, this board would declare it a great signing, vs what Millwood’s done, and what I believe he would contribute. Heck, if Garcia gave us a 12-10 year, I’d be more than pleased.

    We all want AP back, but even if Andy returns, there’s no guarentee he’ll pitch as well as he did last year, or that he’ll be healthy all season. This is why I think a Garcia signing for the back of the rotation, as well as insurance, would be a positive. It also always either Mitre or Nova to be the long man in the BP.

    I hope that answers you question.

  24. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Not always >>> Allows

  25. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Al-

    Absolutely. I’m not so sure that Millwood wouldn’t improve pitching for the Yankees but I’m OK with either.

    I just want Cashman to buy us a little cheap insurance. That’s all.

    Freddy says he wants to be a Yankee let’s get him.

    I just don’t want to lose out on both waiting.

  26. 108 stitches January 30th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    If I’m David Phelps, Hector Noesi, D.J. Mitchell, Andrew Brackman, or Adam Warren, I’m thinking that I’m on a faster track to the Yankee rotation than previously thought and do the best of my ability to get noticed in the month of March.

  27. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    I’m sorry, but this Cashman bashing is just sick. He did not have full control since 1996, has turned around the worst farm system into one of the best, and has a ton of young talent ready late this season, or early next year that should provide us with a darn good SP rotation.

    Unless you have more to add than he should have signed Chapman, who is not starting, and has been rocked at times as a RP, and may never start, or Haren that would have cost us too much of our future, you’ve got nothing.

  28. Betsy January 30th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    SJ said that about Joba/Phil, not anyone else

  29. seeknay January 30th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Kevin Millwood SERIOUSLY?

    All Yankee fans should veto the New York Yankees this year and refuse to pay ridiculus prices to see # 6 starters in the 4 and 5 spots in the rotations.. its bad enough we have to put up with Burnett and his lunancy.

    I told youall we shouldn’t have included Phil Coke in the Granderson deal.. he could have started for us.. in fact it wouldn’t surprise me if he won 14 games this year and turned into the next David Wells.

  30. Joe from Long Island January 30th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    Logically, I have to think that Cash and the Yanks are confident that Andy is coming back, and will be Tampa in two weeks. It’s the only reason that I can see why they’ve not gone and got some cheap fill-in type for that slot in the rotation. Yes, the kids on the farm might well step up, but it will be mid-season at best, not April; excluding Ivan Nova, I think he’ll be the No. 5.

    I think Colon was the insurance policy for Andy not coming back, with the thought that Colon could hold his own until that mid-season point, with Brackman, Phelps, etc. being the call-up(s).

    As many have thought, a lot will be riding on AJ.

  31. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Joe-

    Better hope that AP does comes back then because IMO Colon isn’t any real insurance.

    He might not even make the team out of ST.

  32. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    GB7 -

    Hey, don’t you know, we’re the Yankees, all we have to do is call the M’s and demand they hand over King Felix, then call the Marlins and demand Josh Johnson, that’s it, we’re done and ready for 2011.

    The moron’s that thing Cashman has not tried to make deals that would benefit this team, are just that, morons.

    What should we do, empty the farm for 1 good pitcher, and throw our future away.

    Can’t stand that way of thinking, or lack there of.

  33. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Joe-

    I also don’t like the idea of a LOT riding on AJ.

    That does not seem wise to me.

  34. jacksquat January 30th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    I’d be in favor of Garcia over Millwood as well.

  35. DaSaint007 January 30th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    The Cashman bashing is just folks wanting to hear themselves talk, so to speak.
    Every team has issues with their rotation or lineup or overall team composition.
    Yankees have a great bullpen and lineup, yet have real issues with the rotation – today.

    What counts is after the ASB leading up to the playoffs, not the composition the first day of the season, never mind Jan 30th.

  36. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Jacksquat-

    Did I hear you say you live in NM ?

  37. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    MTU -

    I like Duchscherer, but given his history of injuries, and his lack of innings pitched the past 3 years, that’s a major gamble I don’t feel is worth taking, JMO.

  38. ericns1 January 30th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    What about Bonderman?

  39. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    GB-

    By the way, I meant to say how sorry I was to hear about what had happened to your home.

    And to those who were responsible.

    What a freakin’ pity.

    How does such human refuse manage to survive ?

  40. RhapsodyInBlue January 30th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    I wonder if Beckett’s back held up the night of his honeymoon?

  41. ac1 January 30th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    seeknay January 30th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    ____

    Shut up!!!

  42. DaSaint007 January 30th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    BIG AL, I liked Duchscherer also, principally since he can pitch out of the rotation or the bullpen, much like Mitre, who to be fair, has steadily improved the further he gets from TJ surgery.

    We’ll see if this report is accurate, but I do think that Andy will return, and I do hope that AJ bounces back to respectability this year.

  43. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    MTU -

    Scum always finds a way to survive, it’s the good folks that get hurt.

    Need a little street justice for prople like that, JMO.

  44. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    If only Duchscherer had sucked the last few years or, better yet, not pitched at all.

    Then Cashman would’a been ALL OVER HIM!

  45. jacksquat January 30th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    MTU January 30th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
    Jacksquat-

    Did I hear you say you live in NM ?

    Yeah, I live in NM.

  46. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Al-

    I think the Duke would be a good gamble as a swingman but I have heard it reported that he wants to start.

    If he can get that kind of gig more power to him.

    I like the guy and I hope he stays healthy.

  47. seeknay January 30th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    I’m a Yankees fan and I demand Championships and I find this team currently constructed as UNACCEPTABLE.

    What am I gonna do sit back and quietly said “thats allright?”

    NO. Only mets fans accept being a loser. IF YOU DONT MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD NOTHING EVER GETS DONE.

  48. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Jack-

    I spent 7 tears in NM. Love the place consider it my second home.

    Still miss the chilli.

    Where abouts are you ?

  49. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    Al-

    That’s another one for the one way desert walk.

    ;)

  50. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    DaSaint007 January 30th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    ——————————
    I feel very positive Andy comes back. I also have faith Mitre, after getting his arm strength back, will continue to be an asset to the rotion, or the BP.

    As much as I liked Duchscherer, I was afraid of his injury history, and even if healthy, his lack of innings pitched would most likely have limited his ability to give us more than 130 – 140 innings this season. I liked him more as a long man in the BP.

  51. Joe from Long Island January 30th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    MTU – I hear ya. The thing is, the lack of realistic alternatives.

    Things will work out.

  52. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    If your going to make your voice heard, at least have some intelligent come out of your mouth. There’s an old saying, Engage brain, before opening your mouth.

  53. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    All thw cashman whiners are really annoying. The marlins aren’t going to give up Johnson, The Mariners aren’t going to give up Felix. Who else do you think is out there? There’s no one good even to trade. I’m sure they are thinking about everyone. If you want to protest the seasoon. Good, just go through with it and dont come on this board anymore.

  54. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Joe-

    Of course.

    But will they work out good ?

    I’m an optimist so I guess I’ll have to go with a yes.

    Still wouldn’t mind that insurance policy though.

    ;)

  55. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    AL, when two of the pitchers re-signed with their old teams, it lomited the decent pitchers on the market from 4 to 2. Pettitte is still the unknown. Lilly re-signed before anybody could talk to him. I believe Kuroda was already in the fold, too. Delarosa is not worth a $30 mil contract for 3 years. The Yankees were not paying the price for Greinke, which would have kept increasing anyway. Toronto wasn’t trading Marcum to NY. Not sure where these amateur GMs thought all of these fine pitchers were coming from that Cashman was supposed to get. The whining and sniveling is beyond comical. Of course, a thin market is Cashman’s fault. Not sure who this Snakeknee is that popped up today spouting idiocy, but, hopefully his computer shorts out.

  56. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    MTU -

    Heck I’d even drive them out, far out, into that desert, so far they’d never find their way back.

  57. jacksquat January 30th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    MTU, I am in Albuquerque, home of the Isotopes. I wish they were a Yankees affiliate (they are Dodgers…).

  58. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Jack-

    I spent a year in ABQ, and the rest out in the Mtns. in the little town of San Pedro a little south of New Madrid off of 344.

  59. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    QUOTE: “I also have faith Mitre.”
    ———————————————————————————-
    Of course, you do.

    PS. It’s been two and a half YEARS since he had the TJ surgery… How much longer do you think it’ll take for his “arm strength” to come back?

  60. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    GB7 -

    It got down right hot here today, your weather warmed up as well I suspect.

    When it gets like this, I just don’t want to stay in the house, but, today things just didn;t work out they way I’d hoped for.

  61. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    MTU January 30th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
    GB-

    By the way, I meant to say how sorry I was to hear about what had happened to your home.

    And to those who were responsible.

    What a freakin’ pity.

    How does such human refuse manage to survive ?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Thanks, MTU/AL. It’s over with and I’m restoring, remodeling and replacing. Not much can be done now, but, finish the job. Not sure why the house is starting to look like an army pup tent, though. I need to get out and around more, I guess.

  62. DaSaint007 January 30th, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    I still believe that one of the more likely trading partners is the White Sox for one of their ‘surplus’ rotation arms.

  63. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    Al-

    No need. I’ll just walk ‘em out there and I’ll be in charge of the water
    and the heading.

    I’ll just convince them what a welcoming place the desert really is.

    You remember what happen in 127 hours, right ?

    This time there wouldn’t be an escape and no happy ending.

    ;)

  64. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Yeah, AL it’s in the mid-70s here. Thank God for air conditioning.

  65. seeknay January 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    GO GET EDWIN JACKSON TRADE MONTERO FOR HIM DO IT

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    “A couple of years if was assumed Carl Crawford would be in a Yankee uniform after hitting free agency and this year it was Cliff Lee”

    You know what they say about assuming. I never pay attention to any of the pap thrown around so I’m pretty much open to anything. You know the old saying “freedom from expectation is freedom from disappointment”?

    IMO fans cause their own distress because they allow themselves to get twisted into pretzels over rumors, their own desires for the team, or unsure bets.

    I always live with the belief, to quote Joe from Long Island, that things will work out. Fans have no control whatsoever over what is going to happen with the team. Why get into a twist? Fans do it to themselves, IMO. No matter how much fans stress and obssess it doesn’t matter a whit except to the well being of the fan. So why bother. Let it unfold and stop obssessing.

  67. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
    QUOTE: “I also have faith Mitre.”

    *****************************************
    Questions – Are you a Yankees fan? Have you ever said anything positive about the team, it’s FO, or it’s star players, or is your pleasure in life simply running down that which you profess to love?

  68. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    GB-

    I am sorry I am on the other side of the country or I would come over and help.

    I am good at resodding lawns, and if that doesn’t work I’m always good for a beer.

    :)

  69. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    Whether you like it or not, look at the work that goes into that labor of love I call a blog: http://newyorkyankeesnmore.blogspot.com/

    Then come back and ask me if I’m a “fan of the team.”

    Just because I think this offseason has been a complete joke doesn’t mean I’m not a fan. It just means I’m not a blind homer who thinks every single move the Yankees make MUST be the right one.

  70. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    MTU January 30th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
    GB-

    I am sorry I am on the other side of the country or I would come over and help.

    I am good at resodding lawns, and if that doesn’t work I’m always good for a beer.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    MTU, that’s my problem. all of my help is always somewhere else.

  71. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    seeknay January 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
    GO GET EDWIN JACKSON TRADE MONTERO FOR HIM DO IT

    *************************************************
    You have just proven what I had been thinking, you lack any real knowledge of the game, and should sit on the side, rather than expose yourself for what you truly are.

  72. ac1 January 30th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    Did the crazy person who claims he is a real yankee fan just say to trade Montero for Edwin Jackson? Really?

  73. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Whatwork. You spout the same BS there as here and every other blog and cut and paste. Such a struggle. None of it’s your own work, and nobody bothers wasting their time reading it more than once. You’re a floor sweeper.

  74. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    GB-

    Aint that the truth.

    I could always try to hike it but it might take me a while.

    :(

  75. ac1 January 30th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Just because I think this offseason has been a complete joke doesn’t mean I’m not a fan. It just means I’m not a blind homer who thinks every single move the Yankees make MUST be the right one.

    ___

    True…. just you lose all credibility by simply complaining about EVERYTHING, while ignoring moves that have been made. An EIG/#2 closer, starting catcher with ability and being much better behind the plate and a righty 4th OF that hit 18 homeruns last year in limited play.

  76. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    GB7-

    I like road trips. My ability to do too much heavy work may be limited these days, but I’d be happy to come on down and lend a hand.

    After all you’ve done for this country, it’s the least we who have benefited can do is say thank you, with more than words.

  77. just_another_handle January 30th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    I think the mistake will be in thinking that they can somehow muddle through with potentially two good pitchers and ???’s till the trade deadline. With the deep pitching the Rays and Sux have it could be to late by then to make a move. Don’t forget the O’s are vastly improved as a team as well and the Jay’s are seen as moving in the right direction. Time will tell.

  78. Nick in SF January 30th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    “How can you miss what you never possessed?”

    – Elvis Costello

  79. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    “True…. just you lose all credibility by simply complaining about EVERYTHING, while ignoring moves that have been made. An EIG/#2 closer, starting catcher with ability and being much better behind the plate and a righty 4th OF that hit 18 homeruns last year in limited play.”
    ————————————————————————————————————–
    I love the Soriano signing and have said so on this very site.

    The fact that Cashman was so opposed to the only good thing about this offseason only strengthens my desire to see him gone.

    And as far as the “starting catcher” we added??? Were are you going to find the time machine to take him back to three years ago when he was actually good???

  80. ac1 January 30th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    deep pitching rays and sux? how so?

    Rays have 5 enough for a starting 5, by getting rid of their ace Garza.

    Sox? Were you paying attention last year? LEster and Buchholz were good, the others?

    Lackey has always sucked at Fenway, Beckett cant stay healthy nd had a year around the same as Burnett, and Dice-K cannot make it through a season without spending half of it on the DL. Who else is there? Wakefield? Yeah good luck…

  81. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    ******************************************

    You still did not answer my questions, so that says volumes right there, doesn’t it.

  82. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Got to go, catch you later.

    GB let me know.

  83. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    What question??? Am I a Yankees fan???

    I thought I answered that about as strongly as I could. Yes! ABSOLUTELY! 100%!

    Is that clear enough for you?

  84. Nick in SF January 30th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    ‘Twas a sad day indeed when M&J’s Sanitary Tortilla Factory closed its doors in Albuquerque.

    At least there’s still Maria’s, though it lost some of its charm when it left the bowling alley.

  85. ac1 January 30th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    And as far as the “starting catcher” we added??? Were are you going to find the time machine to take him back to three years ago when he was actually good???

    __

    instead of constantly criticizing every move without even suggesting anything better, how bout you actually give us 4 moves you would have done if you were cashman, and dont say Cliff Lee,because he was set on Philly as soon as they called.

    Come on, lets hear it.

  86. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    I’m glad the SB is next weekend, and I’m even happier that P and C’s report soon thereafter.

    Yeeee Haaaaa !!!

    Real baseball.

    Wooo Hooo !!!

    It’s coming to neighborhood near you real soon.

    :)

  87. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Thanks for the offer of help, guys, but, I’m nearing the end of it. The roofers are coming in and the doors and windows get delivered tomorrow. My real trouble is “Killer” He’s such a dog. Runs around, carousing and tom dogging around at night and drinking, then sleeps all day.

  88. blake January 30th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    MTU,

    I agree with you. Duchscherer is the one of those type guys that interested me a little if healthy….if the Yanks aren’t considering him then that tells me they must have a pretty good feeling about Andy coming back.

  89. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    I’d have paid Cliff Lee whatever it took. Had Cashman and the Yankees been as aggressive with Lee as they were with Sabathia, the deal would have been done LONG ago.

  90. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Nick-

    I used to go to STF for lunch. You just broke my heart telling me it closed.

    What is wrong with this world ?

    :(

  91. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    GB-

    Damn that “Killer”. He’ll never learn. That pooch just doesn’t get it.

    Scratch that. Maybe he gets a little too much !

    :)

  92. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Oh, and for those who want to know where the extra money comes from for Lee… Let’s pretend, for a second, that the Yankees don’t print their own money and that the “budget” actually matters.

    I would not have guaranteed a 36-year-old, who shows every indication in the world of having hit the wall hard, $56 million. Take $30 million of that wasted money and add it to the Lee offer and Cliff Lee is a Yankee.

    Also, I would not be wasting my time with cripples and has-beens.

  93. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Blake-

    I sure as heck hope so or I’m gonna need to tap into our sippin’ whiskey before the season even gets started.

    :)

  94. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    It would have taken $180+ mil over 6-7 years to bring Lee to NY and he’s not worth 427-28 mil a year. He’s not worth $6 mil a year more than Sabathia’s getting. Try being stupid somewhere else Larry.

  95. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    the orinal contract offer to Lee was ridiculous , now some idiot who just wants to cashman bash has one suggestion: give him more money than the original offer and pretend he would take it, because obviously nobody can say he wouldnt have

    very very lame as is pretty much everything ynm puts up here.

    he’s on my skip list i read his post by mistake. some things never change.

  96. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    “It would have taken $180+ mil over 6-7 years to bring Lee to NY”
    —————————————————————————————–
    Agreed. And I’d have paid it.

    The Yankees own a TV network that all by itself is worth BILLIONS, so let’s stop pretending the money matters to them.

    It’s a question of whether or not you want to win. I do.

  97. Crawdaddy January 30th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    “I’d have paid Cliff Lee whatever it took. Had Cashman and the Yankees been as aggressive with Lee as they were with Sabathia, the deal would have been done LONG ago.”

    GB7 and the rest of you, why bother after reading such comments like the one above?

  98. ac1 January 30th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
    I’d have paid Cliff Lee whatever it took. Had Cashman and the Yankees been as aggressive with Lee as they were with Sabathia, the deal would have been done LONG ago.

    ___

    Bad business for 2 reasons.

    1, we gave him the highest offer and he didnt take it.

    2. that sets a really bad precedent for our future with FAs, that they just have to keep going up past what they deserve for us to sign them.

    I am glad that deal fell through.

  99. ZachA January 30th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Looking at these completed deals, which of these free agent starters should Cashman have gone after? Personally, I wish we signed Webb or Garland.

    Chris Capuano: 1 year, $1.5 million (NYM)
    Bruce Chen: 1 year, $2 million (KC)
    Kevin Correia: 2 years $8 million (PIT)
    Jeff Francis: 1 year, $2 million (KC)
    Jon Garland: 1 year, $5 million (LAD)
    Aaron Harang: 1 year, $4 million (SD)
    Vicente Padilla: 1 year, $2 million (LAD)
    Brad Penny: 1 year, $3 million (DET)
    Ryan Rowland-Smith: 1 year, $725,000 (HOU)
    Hisanori Takahashi: 2 years, $8 million (LAA)
    Brandon Webb: 1 year, $3 million (TEX)
    Chris Young: 1 year, $1.1 million (NYM)

  100. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Oh, and one other thing on Cliff Lee.

    It has been WIDELY reported that Cashman refusing to include Ivan Nova is the reason the Yankees deal with Seattle fell through last season.

    I would NEVER let a guy likek Nova be a deal-breaker for a guy like Cliff Lee. NEVER!

  101. ac1 January 30th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    The Yankees own a TV network that all by itself is worth BILLIONS, so let’s stop pretending the money matters to them.

    It’s a question of whether or not you want to win. I do.

    ___

    Clearly… hey why not just have a $300 M payroll then. Just give everyone 25 mil a piece. Been there and done that between 2001-2009 and it doesnt bring titles.

  102. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    “we gave him the highest offer and he didnt take it. ”
    ————————————————————————————-
    No we didn’t. We absolutely didn’t. In fact, most observers believe the Yankees finished THIRD in the race for Lee, which is one of the things that makes Greenberg’s statements the other day so silly.

    When taxes are taken into a account, the Rangers offer was AT LEAST as strong as the Yankees, and maybe stronger. And the Phillies offer was actually the highest per-year offer Lee got.

  103. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    the lee ‘non-signing’ is kind of a critical point on this blog. the rational fan who doesnt like cashman might criticize cashman b/c the yankees are in this situation (ala randy l.) i dont agree but its a reasonable argument.

    the crazies are the ones who blame cashman for the simple fact that lee decided to take less money and go to philly.

  104. ac1 January 30th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    It has been WIDELY reported that Cashman refusing to include Ivan Nova is the reason the Yankees deal with Seattle fell through last season.

    ___

    It was also WIDELY reported that David Adams’ injury stopped it, Nunez wasnt included, among other things. Good thing you are here to set us all straight. Or maybe, Seattle just used the Yankees deal to get what they wanted from a team in their division.

  105. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    “Been there and done that between 2001-2009 and it doesnt bring titles.”
    ———————————————————————————————-
    Actually, if memory serves, I believe it DID bring the Yankees a title in 2009… RIGHT???

  106. ac1 January 30th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    When taxes are taken into a account, the Rangers offer was AT LEAST as strong as the Yankees, and maybe stronger. And the Phillies offer was actually the highest per-year offer Lee got.

    ___

    Highest per year and LESS TOTAL MONEY. And just because 1 person reports that the Rangers were his 2nd choice doesnt make it true. And YES, our TOTAL was the highest. Philly went 5 years at 25. He would have never taken 5/125 from the Yankees.

  107. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    ac1, you either don’t pay attention or are just being a contrarian.

    The Mariners asked for Nova OR Nunez in the place of Adams, and Cashman determined that to be the breaking point. Don’t feel any better about Nunez being the deal-breaker than Nova, by the way.

  108. ac1 January 30th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    “Been there and done that between 2001-2009 and it doesnt bring titles.”
    ———————————————————————————————-
    Actually, if memory serves, I believe it DID bring the Yankees a title in 2009… RIGHT???

    __

    Sorry meant 2001-2008. In 2009 they made SMART pricy moves, not just signing every free agent at the higheat price.

  109. ac1 January 30th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    The Mariners asked for Nova OR Nunez in the place of Adams, and Cashman determined that to be the breaking point. Don’t feel any better about Nunez being the deal-breaker than Nova, by the way.

    __

    I do, since it lookslike we wouldn’t have held onto Cliff Lee anyway.

  110. ac1 January 30th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    ac1, you either don’t pay attention or are just being a contrarian.

    ___

    Love being called a contrarian by the person whining and criticizing every move the team makes.

  111. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Larry is a known troll and idiot. He’s been kicked off of ESPN. He trolled the Yankee board, Red Sox board, Ranger board, and if that wan’t enough, the Celtics, Knicks, the hockey boards. Do you know anyone else that trolls soccer, tennis and golf boards?

  112. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    “Philly went 5 years at 25″
    ————————————————————————–
    Plus a $12 million buyout on the sixth year, OR a HUGE payday if it’s picked up… So Lee, in reality, got a five year guarantee for $137 million AND the right to hit the market again two years sooner for MORE money.

    Now tell me again how much “worse” that offer is than what the Yankees offered.

  113. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    “In 2009 they made SMART pricy moves, not just signing every free agent at the higheat price.”
    ————————————————————————————————
    You can’t be serious, ac1. Now I know you’re a contrartian.

    A while ago it was said that bidding beyond the highest offer is “not smart business.” So explain CC Sabathia to me… PLEASE…

    The Yankees had the highest offer on the table by AT LEAST $20 million, then RAISED it $21 million MORE!

    Why is bidding against ourselves smart then and not now?

    And AJ Burnett for 5/85 is a “smart PRICY move”??? REALLY???

  114. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    “Also, I would not be wasting my time with cripples and has-beens.”

    **************************************************

    You need not worry about being a “Has-been”, since you never were, nor will be a have-been.

  115. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Quit arguing with the troll. You all must not have had an older sibling that said stuff to annoy you. Everytime you answer him he is probably giggling like a school girl cause he is riling you up.

  116. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    I see BIG AL has resorted to sticking his fingers in his hears and screaming at the top of his lings in an attempt to make the truth go away.

    Wonder if it’ll work? ;-)

  117. blake January 30th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    And its a good thing Cashman did hold the line with Seattle….otherwise we may have no Lee, no Montero, and no Nova. Seattle was using the Yankees to get the player they wanted and Cashman bowed out…..Lee picked the Phillies this offseason.. move on.

  118. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    “Quit arguing with the troll. You all must not have had an older sibling that said stuff to annoy you. Everytime you answer him he is probably giggling like a school girl cause he is riling you up.”
    ————————————————————————————
    Troll??? So you’re a fan of what the Yankees have done this offseason, then???

  119. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    GB7 -

    Just for Sh**s & giggles, I went to look at Larry’s blog, and you’re right, nothing but cut and paste. The really funny thing is not one single comment on any of his posts.

    I imagine he’s a legend in his own mind, what little there is of it, lol.

  120. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    And its a good thing Cashman did hold the line with Seattle….otherwise we may have no Lee, no Montero, and no Nova
    ——————————————————————————————
    How can you POSSIBLY know that?

    Who’s to say he wouldn’t have liked pitching for the Yankees even more than the Phillies??? Who’s to say the Yankees don’t win the World Series with Cliff Lee on their team instead of the Rangers???

  121. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    BIG AL, if you saw “nothing but cut and paste,” you were looking at the wrong blog, sir.

  122. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
    GB7 -

    Just for Sh**s & giggles, I went to look at Larry’s blog, and you’re right, nothing but cut and paste. The really funny thing is not one single comment on any of his posts.

    I imagine he’s a legend in his own mind, what little there is of it, lol.

  123. blake January 30th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    The bottom line is that if Cliff Lee had wanted to be a Yankee then he would be…..the Yankees would have made it happen if he had just told them that he wanted to play there….turns out he told that to the Phillies instead. Now let’s focus on the players who do want the challenge of playing in the Bronx.

  124. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    Please don’t answer this guy.

  125. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
    GB7 -

    Just for Sh**s & giggles, I went to look at Larry’s blog, and you’re right, nothing but cut and paste. The really funny thing is not one single comment on any of his posts.

    I imagine he’s a legend in his own mind, what little there is of it, lol.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Like I said, AL. He’s a known troll and idiot He’d be a real “buddy” for Pete A. They have the same number of brain cells. 2.

  126. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 30th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    YankeesNmore, sometimes the best deal is the one you don’t make.

    I can’t say I didn’t want Lee to the same extent that you wanted him…but close.

    It’s over. Let it be. No amount of postmortem is going to change it.

    Remember this one thing, and then try to make peace with life. The Yankees won in the Carl Pavano sweepstakes. Pavano was four years younger than Lee.

    It’s all good. Nobody thought San Fran would win the world series at the start of the 2010 season.

    It’s all good. Yankees know how to run a team.

  127. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    blake -

    Freddie Garcia wants to be a Yankee, and I think he’d make a good back of the rotation guy, and insurance. IMO, he’s worth the risk.

  128. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    GB7 -

    2? That many?

  129. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    we were chatting this morning about a lohud trip to a trenton game and several people were interested. probably early in the season to see either betances or banuelos.

    any pm’ers interested?

  130. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    trisha -

    Sing to me, I want to hear you sing your song.

  131. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    even if Garcia or Millwood brings in a 6 win total through the ASB, it buys time for the kids to polish up on their baseball education.

  132. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    “YankeesNmore, sometimes the best deal is the one you don’t make.”
    ——————————————————————————————–
    True. I do not believe that was the case with Cliff Lee.

  133. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    “The bottom line is that if Cliff Lee had wanted to be a Yankee then he would be”
    —————————————————————————————————–
    Wonder why the Yankees didn’t take that approach when CC Sabathia wanted the National League and the West Coast.

  134. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Doreen, you go to the Trenton games. What is your impressio of Daniel Brewer? Offense, defense and base running.

  135. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    GB7 -

    I think Garcia could give us no less than a 12-10 season, or better. That’s all you would want from a #5.

  136. West Coast Yankee Fan January 30th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    No pressure on Nova this year huh? He didn’t seem all that well equipped to handle it last season, hopefully he’s got a liitle more experience under his belt and the talent to do a good job in 2011.

  137. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Erin-

    If you’re out there. Looks like you are gonna have a day or two off from work.

    Stock up today.

    20 ” of snow on it’s way. Blizzard conditions.

    Stay safe.

    Report in when you can.

  138. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    YankeesNmore

    Yep, I’m pretty happy with the things they’ve done. I’m glad we still have Montero. I’m okay with the Russel Martin deal, its not a lot of money and it gives them time to get Montero ready so he doesn’t have to start the season in NY. Soriano, eh I think its a bit much for an EIG but its not my money. I’m happy they got Jeter and Rivera signed back up. If there was a starting pitcher out there worth getting I’m sure they would be pursuing them. I have enough faith in the whole Yankees organization that they will make the right moves when the time comes. If it takes time I think the team is good enough that it won’t hurt them too bad.

  139. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 30th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Look I know I’m just jumping into this, and I am going against my better judgment and also that of the people here I respect infinitely, but YankeesNmore does have his own blog. I think it’s unfair to say he’s not a Yankees fan because I don’t believe anyone would spend the time he appears to keeping up a blog if he wasn’t a fan.

    If he’s the kind of fan who gets worked up and totally distraught over things he can’t control, then he is. He seems upset with the way this offseason has gone. Some of us are okay with waiting, others are not. Again, I haven’t been a steady enough poster in this offseason to know whether I am backing the wrong horse here, but I do feel bad because it seems like there’s a lot of piling on. If I’ve called it wrong I will know soon enough I’m sure.

  140. YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    “No pressure on Nova this year huh?”
    ———————————————————————–
    And now he gets to be known as “the guy we wouldn’t trade for Cliff Lee.”

    No pressure there.

    Good luck, Ivan.

  141. blake January 30th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    AL,

    I wouldn’t have a huge problem with Freddy…..I don’t think he’s all that good but if he wanted to come in to compete for a spit then I think that would be great. He’s probably gonna want some assurance of a rotation spot though I would think.

  142. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Nova was already past his innings limit when he came up at the end of last season, showed some rookie nervousness after he got men on base, and got tentative. I fully expect he’ll do better when starting the season in NY.

  143. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Al-

    W/o AP we are looking for a #4 type. Nova would be the #5 guy.

    So you need to see Freddy as #4. Freddy needs to eat some innings.

    We’ve got the month of April pretty much covered as there is very little need for a 5. It’s after that that things start to get interesting.

  144. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 30th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    “trisha –

    Sing to me, I want to hear you sing your song.”

    :D

    Boy did I pick the wrong song. I definitely have a passable voice, but that song calls for a bit of a range.

    But I’m never one to back down from a challenge Big Al. I will find out how to make a recording and make a link to it. I know one of my brothers can help me figure it out. I’ll do it! It is my song after all!

    :)

  145. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    West coast

    I really think that Novas issue was fatigue, he was near his innings limit by the time he came up to NY. If he is the fifth starter coming out of ST and still can’t get through the lineup a second time then ill eat my words. He didn’t seem to get flustered out there just things stopped working for him.

  146. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    GB7 -

    I don’t think I’ve seen Brewer play. I don’t go to as many games as I’d like to and I know I didn’t go to any after July because of vacation and moving my daughter.

  147. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    i think people are going to have a very different opinion of ivan nova by june.

  148. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    AL, all Im looking for is 10-12 wins from the #5 spot. Either one and a group of kids can do that. NYYs have been piecing the back end together for years. Even in 2004, they only had two near sure spots sewed up. Mussina and Vazquez. Vazquez was really good until mid-July when something happened..possibly an injury. The rest of the rotation was filled with Kevin Brown, Jon Lieber, Orlando Hernandez and Jose Contreras. They pieced it out with casr offs and rookies. This is the rotation that people whine about that was supposed to romp past Boston and sweep through the WS. Torre gets blamed for not handling these HOFers better?

  149. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    trisha -

    Whether or not YankeesNmore has a blog, is a fan or whatever, makes no difference to me, when all he’s done, from the time he started posting, is run down just about everything Yankees.

    Yes, we all get upset with one thing or another the FO, manager or a player does from time to time, but, you must stand behind your team in general, if you’re a fan. Even the most critical of posters here have numerous good things to say about their team.

    If one reads YNM postings, it’s almost impossible to believe your not reading Pete Abe’s blog posts.

  150. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 30th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    I’m all for Nova! I think he’s an exciting guy. Not a lot of pitchers excel when they are pulled into a maelstrom, the way Nova was when he was called up. But he looked damned good. He’ll come back with more seasoning under his belt. It is obvious the guy can pitch.

    YES!!!

    The Yankees have talent!

  151. blake January 30th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    I like Sabathia, Hughes, Pettite, Burnett, Nova just about as good as Boston’s rotation. If that’s what it is then they’ll be fine with the pen they now have…..plus the Yanks would still be looking for another arm via trade…..and I think some good ones may be available this summer.

  152. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Y’s-

    Not me.

    I already have a favorable impression.

    I’m just not sure he is number 4 guy yet although I’m very comfortable with him as our #5.

    Maybe he can eat more innings than I think.

    I’d love to see him do it.

    I tell you what though. I still would make him compete in ST for his spot.

    No more handin’ anything to anybody.

  153. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    GB7 -

    My husband remembers Brewer. Said nothing really stood out about him, he was fine. I must have been focused on Romine and others. :)

  154. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    GB7 -

    As you know, I agree, and even if Andy returns, Garcia would be good insurance, and if Nove fills the #5 spot, he may have an innings limit as well. Freddie wants to pitch in NY, and he sounds motivated, I’d sign him, put Nove into the rotation, and have Mitre as the swing-man.

  155. blake January 30th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    The Yanks have 2 or 3 starters that’s name doesn’t start with a B that might be as good or better than Nova.

  156. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 30th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Big Al, to be fair to what you’re saying, I haven’t been around enough to have read a lot of YankeesNMore. I know I would feel the same way if his posts are nothing but damning the Yankees.

    But that’s why I brought up the Carl Pavano signing to him. What looked more hopeful than that one? I don’t remember anyone warning against that signing. I do know that the love for Cliff Lee was not unanimous and there were some of us who were ultimately relieved that we didn’t get him. The more is looked like it was going to take to get him here, the less I wanted him signed. And he didn’t do anything in the World Series to make me think he was the bomb.

    Funny how the Yankees sometimes crave pitchers who are Yankee killers. But as we all know, that is hardly the whole story!

  157. blake January 30th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Nova shouldn’t have an innings limit next year….he and Hughes both should be without training wheels in 2011.

  158. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    i think nova has to know that even if he is the favorite to come out of camp in the rotation, there are other experienced guys as well as guys even younger than him ready to grab his rotation spot. i wouldnt worry about complacency. this kid has a chance to grab hold of a spot in the yankees rotation, if that doesn’t get him up for the season, nothing will.

  159. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
    GB7 -

    I don’t think I’ve seen Brewer play. I don’t go to as many games as I’d like to and I know I didn’t go to any after July because of vacation and moving my daughter.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Thanks, Doreen. He really is a good young player. Other than being left handed, he’s sort of a Roy White type player. Speed, but, not a blazer, power, but, not a masher, .290 type hitter, really good corner outfielde with decent arm and plays all three spots…plus 1st base. He;s one for the Scranton crowd to watch. At Trenton, watch out for Melky Mesa. Not sure about Brad Suttle. He might turn into a Brandon Laird. I’ve never quite figured him out.

  160. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Al-

    Nova is not innings limited. that’s not the issue as I see it. It’s wether or not he has enough seasoning to eat 6 innings or so at a time. That would be the job of the #4 guy.

    I figure he is just like any other young guy starting in a rotation.

    He’s gonna have some really good games but he might have a tendency to nibble too much leading to elevated pitch counts.

    That means a lot of 5 inning starts.

    It’s not a knock on Nova. That’s just typical for guys at his stage of development.

    The way I see him is as numero cinco until he proves otherwise.

    Heck. I’ll be happy if he thrives in that role. Anything more is pure gravy.

  161. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    MTU -

    One thing Freddie can do is eat innings. Remember, even if Andy returns, don’t expect a full season of work, that’s why, regardless, you need a pitcher like Freddie as insurance.

    This allows Mitre to be your swing-man, and the already strong BP, gets even stronger.

    To heck with what others think, This is going to be a great season to be a Yankees fan.

  162. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Nova’s innings will be capped at 225. We hope. I’m just wanting him to work out that 5th inning thing. As far as the kids on the farm, Noesi should be around 185-190, Brackman around 175-180 as will the others except Banuelos, who sould cap abot 130-140 innings.

  163. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    trisha -

    “Funny how the Yankees sometimes crave pitchers who are Yankee killers. But as we all know, that is hardly the whole story!”

    Ala AJ?

  164. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    GB7 -

    I just checked out Brewer’s stats. Can’t believe I didn’t remember him- he must have played – he played all over the outfield and he played 136 games. Like I said, my husband did remember him. He was good but not standout as he recalled.

    I like that he plays all 3 positions, and I saw he ended up with 10 HRs on the season – not awful for that league, I’d think. 270 BA. If he opens the season in Trenton, I’ll keep a look out for him when I go. But you think he’ll start in SWB, I see. So, Melky Mesa is my target. Okay. :)

  165. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Sorry…Betances caps around 140, based on his 2008 innings.

  166. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Doreen -

    We’ll have to get you a ball cap that says, Scout. We’ll expect detailed reports on what you saw, on the games you attend, I’m looking forwaed to it.

  167. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    Al-

    I’m fine with Garcia and I’m fine with Millwood.

    Garcia might be the easier get since he says he wants to play here and he isn’t a Boras guy (I think KM is).

    I think Nova has talent but so do others.

    I make Ivan compete for that spot along with whoever the Yankees think can hold down the # 5 job.

    Let the best man win.

    If that’s Nova great. If not it’s BP time.

    The 5 is not the real issue it’s the 3/4 slot.

    Remember AJ is a lock to return to form either.

    I agree that we should move on someone regardless of AP.

    They’re cheap and you can always use a little depth.

    The situation may change by the ASB.

    We can adjust then. Jettison who we don’t want, and add who we do.

  168. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    GB7 -

    Please don’t let that happen again, or Killer gets his turn at posting.

  169. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Doreen, I’m only assuming Brewer goes to Scranton. It all depends on whether who’s playing in Scranton…besides the waiver pick-ups. He may start in Trenton if Scranton is over crowded. He needs playing time. I keep waiting for the unofficial official player rosters.

  170. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 30th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    “To heck with what others think, This is going to be a great season to be a Yankees fan”

    I agree! I think it is going to be exciting to watch this unfold. We have the guys. We’re going to get to see whether or not they can pull it together. I think I’m going to love this more than watching seasons where we’ve had “an all star at every position.” Let the Yankees compete with their cadre of players and up-and-comers. That’s baseball as far as I’m concerned!

    “Ala AJ?”

    I REFUSE to give up on him, but yes, he did come to mind.

    :)

  171. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Any switch-hitters in the Yankees system? I see one at AA (Vecchionacci).

  172. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    MTU -

    WE are in agreement, sad state of affairs.

  173. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    AL, “Killer” is out on the town, again. One of his ladies is having a two dog party.

  174. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    GB7 -

    Oh no, another sleep over, he’ll be useless tomorrow.

  175. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 30th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    YankeesNmore, just try to be more positive about things. There is no perfect situation in life, even the one you think may be. But if any team has the ability to spin straw into gold, it’s the New York Yankees. Just give it a chance. By the way, even if it is majority cut and paste, that’s a mighty nice looking sight.

  176. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Al-

    Very.

    Don’t worry it will all be over in 2012.

    Still time for 1 or 2 more rings.

    :)

  177. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Doreen, Vecchionacci signed on to play in Japan. The only switch hitters are in the lower reaches of the sysyem..the Almontes, Ibarra and that type. Brad Suttle is the only real possibility.

  178. YsGuy January 30th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    i think the yankees would like very much to have a payroll under $200M. i think when they do budgeting each year, they probably want to get it under $200M. i think when they had a shot to snag tex out of boston’s mitts, they made a decision to go over for a couple of years, and i think they felt the same way about lee, but i still think its thier goal.
    and i think hal and cashman both think that to do that, you have to have controlled pitchers in the #’s 4 and 5 spots. not only to control costs, but because it’s the only way you can develop the guys who you hope are going to move up to the top 3 spots in coming seasons.
    i also think that they are fullly ready to switch course midseason and bring in someone if the organization cant fill the spot.

  179. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Doreen

    You’ll love Mesa especially if he puts up numbers like last season. His strikouts aren’t great but he hit a lot of home runs. He is really good in the outfield and speedy on the bases. He broke something in his hand or wrist and missed the end of the season. The lineup just wasn’t the same without him. Hopefully he comes back strong in 2011. Keep an eye on Suttle for me, he was my favorite.

  180. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    GB7 -

    When did Vecchionacci do that???? Well, good for him. I think it’s a great opportunity for someone who may or may not have a future in MLB.

  181. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Is Cano going to be a switch hitter? Batting right handed in the DR, he hit 2 of 7 pitches out bfor HR’s.

    Robbie may have a trick up his sleeve.

  182. Jerkface January 30th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    I would be very surprised if Phil Coke turned into David Wells. The additional 75 pounds would be the initial shock, let alone suddenly becoming a guy who can throw 4 pitches for strikes.

  183. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Doreen, he signed to play around the middle of November, I think. Hard to believe that he was in the system for 7 years and just turned 24.

  184. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    tyanksfan36 -

    I’m going to have to start a list! Mesa, Suttle, Betances, Banuelo, Romine (maybe for a bit). Who else??? :)

    Last season, Trenton was a little flat to watch. This season looks very promising. It’s going to be fun.

  185. 108 stitches January 30th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Given a choice, I would have taken Freddy Garcia over Bartolo Colon provided he was willing to take a minor league deal with contract language of him getting a 1-year major league deal if making the 25-man roster at the end of ST.

  186. MTU January 30th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    I would still like to see Justin Christian get a shot.

    I think he’s better than Golson especially with the bat.

  187. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Jerkface January 30th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    ——————————————————-
    Coke was a good SP in SWB, and became a RP when brought up to NY. He does have the pitches to return to SP, but after this much time, I’m not sure how well he’ll do.

    FYI, Phil Coke was Alfredo Aceves’ roommate in Trenton and SWB. Alfredo use to call Phil his good luck charm, every time Phil got moved up, Alfredo was not far behind.

  188. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Mid-summer, watch out for Bret Marshall. He’ll only be a back-up catcher, but, Mitch Abeita is a good guy and a good defensive catcher. The bat may be an issue. Zoilo and Abe Almonte could be in Trenton, but, health and back sliding numbers hurt. They both have talent, though.

  189. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    I can’t see Garcia taking a minor league deal, but you never know unless you ask.

  190. Jerkface January 30th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    I would have liked Duchscherer as a potential #5 guy, but keep in mind his fastball doesn’t break 87 MPH. He gets by with a 2seamer/sinker and control, but he wasn’t a slam dunk.

    I also think signing Colon doesn’t put them out on Millwood or Garcia. Colon’s not guaranteed anyways, so they can always bring in Garcia.

    CC-Hughes-AJ-Garcia-Colon-Nova is better than CC-Hughes-AJ-Colon-Nova-Mitre

    And I hope Andy just announces his return some time soon so we can stop thinking about it

  191. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    GB7 -

    I am astounded I didn’t notice Brewer.

    He was second in RBI, and walks, and first in HBP, first in run scored and first in doubles and stolen bases.

    Where was I?????

    Not much of a scout, I guess.

    LOL

  192. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Oops. He was also first in Ks. I guess I saw those games. LOL

    Seriously, though, why do we not hear more about him?

  193. Jerkface January 30th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Coke was a good SP in SWB, and became a RP when brought up to NY. He does have the pitches to return to SP, but after this much time, I’m not sure how well he’ll do.

    Coke was a good starting pitcher in Trenton, not SWB, and I know he started, but that was 2 years ago and the Yankees obviously thought he wasn’t worth pursuing in that area as they moved him to a reliever and then traded him. Even as a starter he still only has 3 pitches and his innings high is only 135.

  194. Jerkface January 30th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    Coke was just reaching AA at the age of 25, 5 years in the minors. He was a long shot at best. Relieving was his path to the majors.

  195. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    GB7

    I got a Mitch Abeita jersey at the jimmy buffet night, signed and all. Its bright blue with flowers on it. Not really my style but it was too good a deal to pass up, anytime I can get something for a donation to the manatees.

  196. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
    GB7 -

    I am astounded I didn’t notice Brewer.

    He was second in RBI, and walks, and first in HBP, first in run scored and first in doubles and stolen bases.

    Where was I?????

    Not much of a scout, I guess.

    LOL

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    You gotta stop looking at your husband and watch the games more.

    Brewer’s not real flashy and not huge numbers. He does well in all areas…like I said earlier…Roy White with an arm and better glove.

  197. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    Jerkface -

    I’m an old man, but I didn’t think I lost it that much. I thought for sure I saw Phil as both a SP and RP in SWB, but, I must be mistaken, thanks.

  198. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    GB7 -

    LOL!

    Also, I’m going to start saving my scoresheets. i keep them around for a couple of weeks and then I end up throwing them out. Gotta start a folder. :)

  199. Jerkface January 30th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....believing/

  200. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    TY, I think that Abeita gets buried in the system like PJ Pilltere did. Too bad. He’s a nice young guy, but, pretty much a back-up somewhere.

  201. Jerkface January 30th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    I’m an old man, but I didn’t think I lost it that much. I thought for sure I saw Phil as both a SP and RP in SWB, but, I must be mistaken, thanks.

    You probably caught the 1 game he started there, before he got moved to the bullpen and then brought up in sept 08, where he was really good.

  202. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Doreen

    I’m hoping someone can teach me how to keep score. Actually I need to go on some ADD medication because I tend to lose focus on the games.

  203. Jerkface January 30th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....believing/

    A good article on sabremetrics and observational analysis, talks a bit about HitFx which should be coming next season or the one after.

  204. Doreen January 30th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    tyanksfan36

    I keep score my own way. My husband laughs at me. No one else could read my scorecard, I think. And I do have to work very hard at staying focused. Sometimes i’m in the middle of marking something on the scorecard and I miss something on the field. It’s not easy. Especially if you want to make anecdotal notations on the scorecard. And take pictures. I like to take pictures. Which is great, unless while you’re taking the picture, the hitter goes and actually gets a hit! LOL And a lot of times I forget to put in pitching changes. I’m better on offense. ;)

  205. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    TY, go to a sports equipment or book store and get a score book. It usually has examples in them. Read the link attached and for videos, type in baseball score keeping in the search block. Then practice. I use colored pencils for different situations. They show up better.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_scorekeeping

  206. West Coast Yankee Fan January 30th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Jerkface, thanks for the link to the article on ‘sabremetrics and observational analysis’. The very first sentence was brilliant and I could not agree more!

    “Some baseball writers have suggested that some of the more, shall we say, devoted members of the sabermetric community should leave their mother’s basement and go watch a game”.

  207. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Doreen’s idea of taking notes is a good idea. Make notes on how good of a play is made, how far and where a homer went…types of pitches. I also keep hand made page extentions in case the game goes long. I have a little pocket pouch to keep the extentions, pens, pencils and tape in them.

  208. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 30th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Time to get ready for the SAG awards. Have a good night y’all. (Go easy on YankeesNmore.)

    :)

  209. LGY January 30th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    Why would I leave my mother’s basement?

    Free rent, free food, and they even let my girlfriend sleep over on weekends. What more could a guy ask for in life???

  210. Jerkface January 30th, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    Its not a basement, it’s a below ground apartment!

  211. LGY January 30th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    e a little pocket pouch to keep the extentions, pens, pencils and tape in them.

    *****

    And you call me a geek!?

  212. blake January 30th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    LGY,

    set the record straight ….did they really name sabermetrics after light sabers?

  213. West Coast Yankee Fan January 30th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    Good humor! I’ll take a creamsicle.

  214. Jerkface January 30th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    *joke about keeping score being related to stat lovers, follow up joke about your pocket protector* Just let us watch the game in peace!! I can’t stand all your little statistical scribbling!!

  215. Jerkface January 30th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    Only satan worshipers would carry scorecard extensions. I don’t think the word scorecard extension has ever been uttered by even the most en-feebled of geeks.

  216. West Coast Yankee Fan January 30th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    This is just rich!

    “The Red Sox have apparently put a clause in Carl Crawford’s contract that prevents any team he’s traded to from turning around and trading him to the Yankees”. — RAB

  217. Jerkface January 30th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Games are played on the field, not on your little scorecards, nerds.

  218. LGY January 30th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Blake

    Of course. What else would a bunch of nerds me referring to?

    As a side note, I have never seen a minute of Star Wars. Shhh though. Can’t let the other sabers know that.

  219. Jerkface January 30th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    I carry the light saber I was given at my induction into the Dark Wizard’s Society for Destroying Baseball with me wherever I go, it commands respect. I picked the purple one.

  220. blake January 30th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    LGY,

    Seriously ….they might excommunicate you. I have actually warmed to sabermetrics…..however I really only like to use them when they support my side of the argument :)

  221. blake January 30th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    The purple one is the coolest ….

  222. LGY January 30th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    How about you nerds man up and not be so scared to get your jerseys a little dirty instead of carrying your wussy pocket protectors?

  223. tyanksfan36 January 30th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    GB7 and Doreen

    Some of the boosters keep score so ill probably ask them for tips. I have a quote book and it has a quote from Phil Rizutto, someone asked him what the WW meant in his scorebook and he said “wasn’t watching” that would probably be all over my scorecard. I’m thinking of charting an inning. Like what pitch was thrown, outcome of each pitch, like you can tell from a recap that the batter struck out but not if he fouled of 3 balls before it. I think that’s important. Also I want to record on my camera an inning thrown. I’m sure though the one I pick will go on for 15 minutes. I printed a scorecard out, ill make copies and try but if it gets to be too much Ill probably stop.

  224. LGY January 30th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Blake

    That is what every true saber does!

    Anything that contradicts our side we hide from randy.

  225. blake January 30th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    LGY,

    Yea I figured as much….bunch of sneaks. ;)

  226. BIG AL January 30th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Good night all.

  227. Tar January 30th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    ‘I carry the light saber I was given at my induction into the Dark Wizard’s Society for Destroying Baseball with me wherever I go”

    Wuss. I thought all you needed was the mind meld.

  228. Jerkface January 30th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Star Trek is a little too dorky for me.

  229. vinny-b January 30th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    “I’m sorry, but this Cashman bashing is just sick”
    ———————————————–

    yes it is. Very high integrity. And in my book that counts for something. I will take Cashman, a 2009 World Series Championship, and a top 5 farm system in baseball. Thank you.

    I hope all is well, Big Al

  230. Nick in SF January 30th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Phil Coke points to the sky just as Davil Wells points to his favorite top shelf liquor.

  231. J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    Fran the original January 30th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
    FWIW the other night on Yankees Hot Stove, jack Curry said that if Andy didn’t come back the Yanks were interested in Garcia or Millwood.

    ///
    how depressing.

  232. J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    LGY January 30th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
    A couple years ago Yankee fans would say Joba has the better personality to succeed because of his tough background, while Hughes was soft because of his upbringing.

    Funny how things change.

    ///
    wow,really??that’s a first,I never saw that on any boards I was reading back then.pretty foolish reasoning,I would say.

  233. J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    YankeesNmore January 30th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
    Whether you like it or not, look at the work that goes into that labor of love I call a blog: http://newyorkyankeesnmore.blogspot.com/

    Then come back and ask me if I’m a “fan of the team.”

    Just because I think this offseason has been a complete joke doesn’t mean I’m not a fan. It just means I’m not a blind homer who thinks every single move the Yankees make MUST be the right one.

    ////
    say & think what you want but FWIW,you come off as blind in the opposite direction.you seem to run them down without much analytical reason but for any & everything,which is probably why people turn a deaf ear.I’m mad at them for what I consider to be a major bungling that I think is the cause of a shaky structure & that’s screwing around with Joba Chamberlain & putting themselves in their current plight with starting pitching.I’ve also got to wonder about a gm who would trade a player like Montero for two months of a 32 yr old pitcher.but I also have to look at the system & say we’ve got a stable of arms that are probably the envy of baseball,excepting a couple of clubs with a similar wealth in their systems.they’re also two years removed from being World Champions.It’s not that you should give them a break,but you don’t seem to have much of a balanced take on things.JMO.

  234. West Coast Yankee Fan January 30th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    I really have to agree with Keith Law on Montero:

    “He has the arm strength to remain a catcher, but takes way too long to get rid of the ball. He’s not a bad athlete, but his bulk has always made it hard for him to get his body moving quickly the way a catcher has to move to block balls or jump out of the crouch to throwing position”.

    “There’s also a concern about the long-term effects that catching will have on Montero’s knees. He is listed at 6-foot-4, 225 pounds, and only five players in MLB history have caught 200 games at or above those numbers, three of them (Joe Mauer, Chris Snyder, and Jarrod Saltalamacchia) have had knee and/or back problems”.

    “With a bat this potentially strong, why risk injury or give up the 20-25 games a year when your catcher has to rest? Montero could solve the Yankees’ DH problem for the next 10 years if they commit to it, a move they are unlikely to ever regret”.


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