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Freddy Garcia reportedly prefers New York

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 31, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Google translation isn’t perfect, but today Freddy Garcia was quote in a Venezuelan newspaper saying he would prefer to pitch in New York next season. Here’s the rough quote, according to Google:

“I love to stay in Chicago because I love the city and here I have friends,” Garcia said. “But I do not expect to return. Anyway, thanks for the trust last year, but a team like New York would be ideal match the status of my career. ”

You get the idea, anyway.

It’s not the first time Garcia has expressed a preference for New York. Last week he said — again, roughly translated — “My preference is to stay with the New York Yankees.”

At 35 years old, Garcia managed 12 wins and a 4.64 ERA with the White Sox last season. That’s not terrible production for a guy who would be auditioning for the last spot in the rotation. Garcia was better in the first half than the second half, but pitched pretty well in his last five starts (2.42 ERA, White Sox won four of those games).

In other free agent starter news, Rodrigo Lopez has agreed to a minor league deal with the Braves. Lopez was a league-leader last season. He lead the National League in losses and earned run. Yikes.

By the way, it might shock you to learn that I don’t often read Venezuelan newspapers. Thanks to MLBTradeRumors for the heads up on the Garcia stuff.

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222 Responses to “Freddy Garcia reportedly prefers New York”

  1. Bronx Jeers January 31st, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Best case scenario is he comes here and King Felix demands a trade to the Bronx so he can fulfill his dream of pitching on the same squad as his idol. :wink:

  2. BD (Boston Dave) January 31st, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Why not?

    The Yanks will probably need 10 starting pitchers at some point this season the way things are shaping up.

  3. Betsy January 31st, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Too bad it appears the Yankees have no interest……..

    I really hate the idea of going with two kids or, worse, a kid and Mitre, at the back end of our rotation when our rotation is questionable as is. The pen is going to be in shreds by the mid- May

  4. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    As I said at other times, the Yankees really only beed to get 10-12 wins each from the #4 amd #5 slots. Between the kids and a group of reclamation projects, they should accomplish this. It will be nade eaier withrebound seasons from their offense like Posada, Jeter, Rodriguez, Teixeira and Granderson. Not their best/career years, just closer to their career averages.

  5. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    It will be ***made easier with rebound***

  6. howienewville January 31st, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    While his 12 wins and 4.64 ERA may not sound bad, he did give up 1.3 HR/9 (way too much for a park like Yankee Stadium) and only got 5.1 K/9.

  7. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    You have no idea how much interest the Yankees have in Garcia. Not sure exactly how you were able to deduce that.

  8. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Chicago’s Sox park isn’t exactly a pitcher’s park either.

  9. LGY January 31st, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    The pen was fine in 08.

    They barely even need a 5th starter the first month or so of the season.

  10. The Genius Maker January 31st, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Betty, don;t worry about whether it is a kid or not, focus on the production. Nova will be as good as any of the retreads out there and probably better. Mitre is what is out there so why not use him? At least we are getting the value of grooming our kids if we use the Nova’s of the world, if we use the retreads out there we gain no value and no upside. Our offense is the best in baseball and mediocre pitching can win 12+ games. If Nova can stay healthy and start 28+ games, he could easily win 14 games…seriously.

  11. The Genius Maker January 31st, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Also, this pen is by far the best pen we have had in some time. The one area where Girardi is good is handling the pen and I expect nothing different this year. Think about who our weakest pitcher in the pen is; pretty awesome.

  12. Betsy January 31st, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Genius, if Andy is back or we had another vet, I’d be fine with Nova as the #5. I do not like Mitre at all and I’m very skeptical of a bullpen burning backend of the rotation

  13. DYD INDA WUL January 31st, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Checked the two major Venezuelan online newspapers and there is no mention of any quote from Freddy Garcia regarding the Yankees or anything else for that matter.

    King Felix is quoted as saying, though, that his goal is to lead the Mariners into the playoffs.

  14. G. Love January 31st, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    I wish I had the confidence in AAA pitchers walking into the rotation and being able to give us quality starts that some of you do.

    I just remember 2008 a little more vividly and there were more bad starts with high pitch counts resulting in the bullpen coming in before the 5th inning than there were quality starts by the young guys who were in the rotation developing their stuff.

    I would sign Garcia or Millwood and let the kids push them out of the rotation in the spring/early months of the season before I’d let Nova and AAA pitchers battle it out for the 2 final spots in the rotation should Andy not return.

  15. Betsy January 31st, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    GLove, to be fair Phil was pitching with a broken rib………….

  16. SJ44 January 31st, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    G Love,

    The bullpen is deeper and better than it was in 2008.

    They also have an innings eater at the top of the rotation in CC.

    It’s why I think they are better able to handle it.

  17. Doreen January 31st, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    G Love -

    I’d just say you can’t let 2008 haunt you forever. There was no reason to think 2008 would turn out as it did. Some injury, some bad luck, some bad timing. There’s no reason to think 2011 would be a carbon copy of 2008, necessarily, just because 2008 happened.

    If Hughes was not injured, I don’t think he’d have pitched as poorly.

  18. tom tresh 15 January 31st, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    randy l. January 31st, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    “To make sweeping declarations on January 31 is inactivate and premature.”

    sj44-

    that ipad is going say something really funny sometime.

    i totally shut off “correct spell”on my mac because i was getting worse results that gb7 with spelling. the words were spelled right but were totally wrong and they seemed to pop up after i reread the text.
    **************************************************************************

    So now GB we know what happens to your typing

  19. LGY January 31st, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    The team’s pitching was fine in 2008. The starters didn’t give much length but they pitched pretty well when in the game and the bullpen was strong.

    The offense was the downfall of 08. The defense also sucked.

  20. SJ44 January 31st, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    For the record, I do think they will add another veteran if Andy doesn’t come back.

    That’s why I believe Garcia and Millwood haven’t signed with anybody yet.

    Either way, I’m not afraid to give the kids a shot.

  21. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    A good Q & A with Bryan Hoch.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....um=twitter

  22. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    randy l. January 31st, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    “To make sweeping declarations on January 31 is inactivate and premature.”

    sj44-

    that ipad is going say something really funny sometime.

    i totally shut off “correct spell”on my mac because i was getting worse results that gb7 with spelling. the words were spelled right but were totally wrong and they seemed to pop up after i reread the text.
    **************************************************************************

    So now GB we know what happens to your typing

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Nah, Tommy T. I don’t use those things Only a computer. My spelling is all me. “Killer” threatened to biye me if I keep blaming him for my typing. The truth is that I never learned to touch type, and my eyes are failing me a bit. I need extremely bright lights on the keypad.

  23. hardwired7 January 31st, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    You have to love the first sentence in that Liderendeportes/Freddy Garcia link:

    “Freddy Garcia out of the baseball nobody, unless he decides, and in that sense, the right of 35-year-old arm still has ruled that to pitch in the majors.”

    Something tells me we might have lost a little something in translation there (or maybe we gained something?)

  24. The Genius Maker January 31st, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    Betty, I understand your concern, but it is the 5th starter. The OPS against Freddie Garcia last year was over .800! I would rather go with Mitre or someone in our minors. We have the best offense in baseball; we will be ok. People always talk about pitching pitching pitching, but the game is won by scoring more runs than your opponent and that can be accomplished a lot of ways. Atlanta struggled winning in the playoffs because they couldn’t score runs and better hitting teams pushed more runs across than normal teams.

    Of course pitching is important, but many times people confuse good pitching with poor hitting and bad pitching with good hitting. I honestly believe outside of the Lee games (where he painted the corners), the Yankees offense missed VERY hittable pitches and Texas did a very good job of avoiding good pitches and jumping on mistakes.

    I have rewatched those games a few times, I am convinced this is the case.

    We are a really good team now and if a difference maker becomes available we can go after him

  25. Betsy January 31st, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Genius, FYI it’s Betsy, not Betty

  26. Betsy January 31st, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Also, it’s not just the 5th starter – it’s the 4th starter, the 5th starter, the 3rd starter and yes, the 2nd starter. IMO, every SP on the staff except CC has some sort of questions. We’ll have to disagree about the offense being sufficient to overcome the warts of the starters

  27. Warning Track Power January 31st, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Am I crazy to admit I have much more faith in Colon vs. Freddy Garcia?

    Please say NO THANKS to Freddy and his 84 mph fastball!!!

  28. G. Love January 31st, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Like I said, I don’t have the complete confidence some of you have in the kids.

    That said, I will just have to be pleasantly surprised by them.

    I want them to do well so we don’t have to fill the rotation with journeymen. I think the opportunity to acquire top of the rotation starters from other teams is drying up in baseball. When you see a team like the Cubs overpay for Garza like they did, you realize how the rest of the league is valuing starting pitching a few notches below an ace.

    Just bring up the one’s who throw strikes and don’t walk people. We can’t go into the bullpen in the 3rd inning too often because a guy is nibbling and afraid to throw strikes.

    I still would sign Garcia or Millwood at this point for more depth.

    It’s not about names to me. It’s about guys who can navigate a major league lineup and have experience doing it.

    I’m fine gambling on 1 spot in the rotation. 2 spots plus AJ? Not fine.

    If Andy comes back this is all moot though.

  29. Betsy January 31st, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    GLove, I completely agree…………..

  30. The Genius Maker January 31st, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    LOL, I am sorry Betsy, I know. I was in the middle of work and one of my admins is Betty and it was just habit. No offense intended.

  31. blake January 31st, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    G. Love,

    You’re right. Teams are placing huge values on starting pitching these days….especially young starting pitching. There just isn’t much that makes it to free agency and if they do then its a fight to sign them…..that’s why its so important that the Yanks have made a big effort to develop their own.

  32. Betsy January 31st, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Genius, no offense taken….it’s funny that I’ve been called all sorts of names (people for some reason hear my name as Stephanie, Beth, Becky, etc….), but Betty is the one that grates on me the most, lol (not that you bothered me at all)

  33. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    G. Love-

    If AP does not return I’ll be out on the same street corner holding a
    banner just like yours.

    The safe bet is to add a guy who can eat some innings not to experiment with Nova and a 2nd man.

    Young guys tend to nibble. That leads to higher pitch counts and shorter outings on the average.

    Though our pen is strong to start the season it might not be so by the time re-inforcements might arrive.

    Cheap insurance is the way to prevent that.

    If we don’t want Garcia or the like in the rotation we simply jettison them when the time comes. They are not cost prohibitive.

    Mitre hasn’t ever pitched more than 100 innings, and what happens
    if someone goes down.

    Cheap insurance. The way to go.

    Let the kids have a little more time to season.

    Another thing is if you remove Mitre you have to backfill the pen.

    I won’t have a cow if they chose to go in another direction.

    ;)

  34. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    My apologies for the long post.

  35. Doreen January 31st, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    Erin -

    If you’re here, stay safe, stay warm.

  36. 108 stitches January 31st, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    20 game winners aren’t seen much anymore in this age of specialty arms in bullpens but if the Yankees can manage to squeeze 60-65 wins out of the 1-4 starters and 10-12 wins out of No. 5 starter(s), the rest will come out of wins by the relief staff and callups / additions spread out over the 162 game season.
    It never really matters much who the pitcher of record is as long as the Yankees shoot for winning the division by at least one game.
    The days of having multiple 20 game winners are rare if at all. The game has changed.

  37. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    The only wart that Hughes has is that he hasn;t had a repeat season as a starter like lasr yeay. Sounds a lot like Clay Buchholz, doesn’t it? That means Boston has 4 question marks in their rotation, all without minor league answers to fill in.

  38. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Doreen-

    I ordered Erin a dogsled and a Parka.

    And I’m gonna send her a months supply of hot chocolate.

    :)

  39. The Genius Maker January 31st, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Experience doesn’t mean anything unless you are effective. In fact, experience is very overrated. Did experience help Burnett get out of his funk while he posted a horrible 5.26 ERA? Did experience help Freddie Garcia post an above 800 OPS? Did experience help Vazquez post an ERA of 5.32?

    Did experience help Nova post a 4.50 ERA?

    I am not saying that someone who has done it before isn’t a better predictor of future success, but I am saying that just because someone has experience that does not mean they will perform better than a newbie, because that is simply wrong.

    Burnett will be better this year as a starter, I don;t expect Hughes to be worse than his 4.19 ERA. CC should be about teh same (a tiny bit worse but insignificant). That leaves every other inning being a lot better when Pettitte didn’t pitch. Obviously, Pettitte was great last year in his 129 innings and even if he comes back you should expect a drop off, but when you look at the starters, I expect a better year with what we have right now or overall, I don’t expect anything worse. Our bullpen will be better as will our offense. We are better right now. If Andy comes back and can pitch at a sub 4 ERA, look out.

  40. The Genius Maker January 31st, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Our offense was number one in scoring runs last year. Look at the team, overall we should be better. Swisher is the only one who I would predict to be worse. Jeter, ARod and Tex should be better. Granderson had a good 2nd half and Gardner was doing much better before his wrist injury. Catching is an interesting one, but maybe we get the All Star version? But when you look at the offense do you expect it to be worse overall? No way.

  41. Betsy January 31st, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    Genius, AJ has to be a lot better – not just slightly. Phil has to pitch like a #2 – with this rotation, it’s not enough that he just pitch like he did last year. I see no reason why CC would be worse. Even if Andy comes back, I doubt he pitches as well as he did last year, but still if he comes back, the rotation looks a lot better.

  42. coney1 January 31st, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    SJ,

    I know Cashman said that he hopes to be able to acquire a starter at the trade deadline this year. Realistically, who do you see becoming available that would be worth trading for? I was going through the list of teams but am not seeing much.

    All AL East teams are out because they are either in a pennant race or won’t trade their best guys to the Yankees.

    AL Central:
    Tigers- Will likely compete, are not trading Scherzer or Verlander
    Indians- Carmona available
    White Sox- May contend, but Floyd, Jackson, or Buehrle could become available if they are out of it
    Royals- No one worth getting
    Twins- Will be in a pennant race, not trading Liriano

    AL West:
    Mariners- Not trading King Felix this year, maybe in 2012 or 2013
    Rangers- Will compete and no one worth getting
    A’s- Maybe they move Gio Gonzalez but not likely
    Angels- Kazmir or Piniero may become available but they are nothing to write home about

    NL East:
    Braves- Will likely compete, not trading Hudson or Hanson. Maybe Lowe is available but he sucks
    Mets- Santana could become available if he proves he is healthy by July but I wouldn’t touch his contract with a 10 foot pole
    Nationals- No one worth trading for
    Phillies- Yea right, enough said
    Marlins- They aren’t trading Johnson or Nolasco

    NL Central:
    Reds- If they fall out of it, maybe they put Arroyo out there but, again, nothing to write home about
    Astros- Maybe Myers becomes available but we are talking about a 4th starter at best in the AL East
    Cardinals- They might put Carpenter out there with his pending free agency even if they are in contention but he is 36 years old and hasn’t been in the AL East in years
    Pirates- They all suck
    Brewers- Will likely contend and won’t be trading Greinke, Marcum, or Gallardo anytime soon
    Cubs- Maybe Zambrano or Dempster become available

    NL West:
    Rockies- They aren’t trading Jimenez
    Padres- They aren’t trading Latos
    Dodgers- Maybe Billingsley gets moved if they fall out of contention but no way they trade Kershaw
    Giants- Will try and repeat; no way they move Lincecum; likely would have to bowl them over for Cain or Sanchez
    Diamondbacks- No one worth trading for

    So I don’t see where this mid-season difference maker is coming from

  43. Doreen January 31st, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    At some point the training wheels have to come off. The pitchers that are being talked about are probably as ready as they’ll ever be. That could be a good thing. It could be a not so good thing, too. But unless there’s someone on the “market” that is clearly better than anyone in-house, what’s the harm? If someone’s gonna not be good, does it matter who? It someone is good, does it matter wh, for that matter. These pitchers that you all want the Yankees to sign, they have just as much a chance at being mediocre (or worse) as the young guys.

    The guys who still need seasoning are not being called up. They’re not even going to be in AAA in 2011.

  44. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    If AP comes back there is no issue.

    We just let Nova et. al compete for the 5 slot and utilize the other(s)
    as a longman.

    As has been stated, the real issue is what if AP does NOT return.

    That is where the real differences of opinion surface IMO.

  45. Betsy January 31st, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    I would much rather take a chance on a Garcia than on another kid or a Mitre in the rotation.

  46. Doreen January 31st, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    When DO the “kids” get a chance?

  47. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    Only Uecker…

    “Uecker: “I was so slow. I grounded a ball to Brooks once + he got me at first for the only 5U in history. He ran across the field.”

  48. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    Doreen-

    Outside of Mitre and Nova none of the others being mentioned have any real ML experience.

    FWIS, that would not indicate they are ready.

    I understand the chicken and the egg problem.

    What I am am arguing is that a little more time at AAA, and or some BP time might be a better way to get these guys ready.

    I will say that Nova did remarkably well considering the way he was
    inserted into the rotation but he did show signs of his youth and inexperience IMO.

    I would not want to have 2 guys like that in there at the same time.

    That does not seem sensible to me.

    It’s little too “throw ‘em to the wolves” for me.

    That’s just my 2 cents.

    If that’s the way they go I’ll be out there ready to support the team with the hope to enjoy watching great young men grow into their roles.

    :)

  49. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    The only “kid” in that group coming up is Banuelos. The rest are 23 and 24 years old with college baseball background. hardly kids.

  50. The Genius Maker January 31st, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Burnett has a career 4 ERA. Last year he had a 5.26 ERA. if he pitches to his career we are golden, but if he pitches to a 4.50 we still have a very large improvement. Whether he takes .75 of a run off his ERA or Hughes does it is still a big improvement. Our bullpen will save a lot more runs this year and keep us in more games this year. The Genius Maker (Mariano Rivera) is the only guy you would expect to do worse, but he is the most amazing reliever ever and I thought the same thing 2 years ago. Logan you may project worse as well. But I expect a little better from everyone else and even if Soriano has a little drop, he is better than anyone else he is subbing in for.

  51. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    GB-

    I’m talking about development time. I am not talking about their maturity.

    Most of them barely even have a lot of AAA time. Isn’t that true ?

    Why not get some of these guys some ML experience as swingmen, or just as long men out of the pen first ?

    I think that might be a better way.

    That’s my take.

    Just don’t put 2 in the rotation at the same time.

  52. Doreen January 31st, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    But, then, doesn’t Nova already have some MLB experience? So he can’t be put in the same category as the others. One might even argue that not only does he have MLB experience, but he accrued it inside the pressure cooker of a September race for a division title.

    If there was someone else available that I thought was hands down a no-brainer, I’d be with you. But no one out there is all that hot. Not all that much better than Mitre, who gets bum rap here.

  53. pat January 31st, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Phil has to be better?

    I’ll take a repeat of 18-8 from him.

    Lots of teams would be happy with that from their #1′s.

  54. The Genius Maker January 31st, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Just looked up a stat that surprised me. Our ERA as a team was 4.06 which was the best since 2003. If Pettite comes back we will be sub 4 in my opinion. If he doesn’t, i don’t expect any worse.

  55. Betsy January 31st, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Pat, you’re really judging him only by his record? I don’t relish getting into another argument, so there’s no point in rehashing points that we will never agree on.

  56. blake January 31st, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    If Freddy will take a deal that becomes a major league contract if he makes the team after ST then I think he would be a good guy to bring on….I don’t think I would guaranteed him a spot though because I’m not sure he would produce any better than Warren, Phelps, Noesi, Brackman, etc…would. Those guys cost nothing and actually could improve over the course of the season.

  57. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Doreen-

    Though Nova did remarkably well I do not think that was the best way to break a guy in.

    I would not expect that result with each and every guy.

    And I think it’s a bit risky to do it that way.

    I mentioned to GB the way I would like to see it done.

    For me, no more than one inexperienced guy in the rotation at a time.

    I like the 5 slot to break a guy in after he has some ML experience pitching out of the pen first.

    That’s just my personal preference.

    Obviously no one is listening to me.

    :)

  58. MaineYankee January 31st, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    randy

    How about finding another Chacon or Small?

    Did you see that coming at the time Cashman got them?

    The difference between us trying to see what is available is we don’t know what discussions have taken place with other teams.

    Kinda like you not dealing with a full deck. :lol:

  59. Betsy January 31st, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Doreen, Nova has about a month of experience……….that’s a lot different than what he’ll face as a full time starter. Teams will adjust to him – they do to every pitcher. He was ok last year – showed ability for sure, but it’s not like he was light’s out so that we can expect him to be a prodigy. I’m really fine with him as the #5 starter, so he’s not even an issue – it’s who would be the #5 if he’s the #4 (and he really should not be the #4)

  60. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    MTU January 31st, 2011 at 7:02 pm
    GB-

    I’m talking about development time. I am not talking about their maturity.

    Most of them barely even have a lot of AAA time. Isn’t that true ?

    Why not get some of these guys some ML experience as swingmen, or just as long men out of the pen first ?

    I think that might be a better way.

    That’s my take.

    Just don’t put 2 in the rotation at the same time.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    If Colon doesn’t make the team and no deals are made, and Pettitte doesn’t return, Mitre will start and at least one of Brackman, Phelps, Noesi or Mitchell might be the long man/swingman in the pen and another in the rotation. NYYs have done that before and it’s worked out well.

  61. Doreen January 31st, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Mtu -

    I’m sorry. :)

  62. The Genius Maker January 31st, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Not sure Phil has to be better, but I would hope he could get his ERA down below 4 and get his OPS against down as well. When you have the best offense and a good defense behind you, you should win 18 games if you are any good at all and make all your starts. CC had an OPS against of .656 and Hughes had a .702 (because of 25 dingers allowed). getting that in the mid to high .600′s should lead to 20 wins with this team and hopefully a loss or 2 less. I know I sound optimistic here, but if we stay healthy we will be very good. I do see Boston being very good though as they were decimated last year and still were good. Nobody should underestimate them, they are a quality foe.

  63. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Blake-

    No offense meant but think carefully about what you are saying.

    Comparing inexperienced Milb pitchers with a proven innings eater ?

    I’m not as sure of that one as you seem to be.

    Not with 2 of them in the rotation at the same time.

    We can agree to disagree on that one.

  64. Laura - I Bleed Blue January 31st, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    “King Felix is quoted as saying, though, that his goal is to lead the Mariners into the playoffs.”

    That’s like me saying that my goal is to win Mega Millions tomorrow night. It could happen, but it’s highly unlikely. :P

  65. Doreen January 31st, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    At some point they have to pitch.

    Ideally, yes, you want the perfect conditions under which you bring them up. But life isn’t ideal and the need is there now. These are not awful AAA pitchers we’re talking about here. They’ve had success. They are worth a shot. Plus, they are interchangeable for a time. If one isn’t working, he goes back down and someone else comes up.

    I choose to be optimistic that it’s not the worst set of circumstances here.

    Nova will also make his own adjustments. He has a frame of reference now, as does the team.

  66. Betsy January 31st, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Genius, that means he has to be better. I wish YS weren’t such a HR hitters park as he’s really not suited for the Stadium. I think he should throw more 2-seamers ….not all the time, of course, but I think it could help him, both in terms of efficiency and in terms of not giving up so many dingers. I don’t care about the record (for any pitcher, not just Phil) – much of that is dependent on run support.

  67. austinmac January 31st, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    I still believe a veteran should be signed. The others are too big a risk. If the young pitchers earn it, wonderful and the only loss is an incentive laden contract. If they are not ready, Garcia or Millwood would at least be competent and keep the team in games.

  68. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Doreen-

    I always love talking with you. No need for any apology as no offense to anything you saad was taken.

    :)

    GB-

    OK. Now I see exactly where you are coming from. Thanks.

    It sometimes gets confusing for old men like me.

    You can’t see and apparently I lack reading comprehension skills.

    So I guess we’re even.

    :)

  69. Doreen January 31st, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Is Garcia a proven innings eater?

    What if one of the kids can give you more than that? And why not?

  70. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2011 at 7:14 pm

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  71. The Genius Maker January 31st, 2011 at 7:14 pm

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  72. Doreen January 31st, 2011 at 7:15 pm

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  73. blake January 31st, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    MTU,

    The last time Garcia threw 200 innings was 2006. As I’ve said before, a guy still has to pitch fairly well to eat innings on a good team. The Yanks aren’t going to let him get hit and just leave him out there so he can throw his innings. Vasquez was supposed to be an “innings eater” last year….but he didn’t pitch well enough to do it. I agree that ideally it would be nice to have a solid guy in the 3 or 4 spot and I’m still hoping that will be Pettite but if its not then I would just prefer letting the youngsters have an opportunity to see what they can do. Putting 2 in the rotation at the same time isn’t ideal, but neither is a rookie and a bargain bin reclamation project either IMO.

  74. Betsy January 31st, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Doreen, therein lies the rub. I don’t think (forget Nova- it seems he’s been given a spot) any of these kids from AAA that we’re talking about are going to be innings eaters. Like even stud prospects, they are going to struggle and have growing pains. I just do not think it’s wise nor practical to have 2 of these types in the rotation. No matter how good the pen is, it’s going to end up shredded; I’ve seen this happen to often when the pitching struggles badly

  75. Betsy January 31st, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Doreen, Jeopardy is a religious experience in our house, lol. I don’t watch it by myself, however – the whole point is to show everyone else how smart you are, lol. No, I’m being a bit facetious, but I do get competitive – it’s a huge deal if I get Final Jeopardy right.

  76. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Doreen-

    I think Freddy can definitely eat innings as can Millwood.

    I do not think the youngsters are as likely to be as reliable in that regard.

    I’m fine with 1 but not 2 at the same time.

    Like I said. No one is gonna take my advice.

    Cashman only asked me for advice on the rappelling. He never calls before he decides on baseball matters.

    :(

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    I still believe a veteran should be signed. The others are too big a risk. If the young pitchers earn it, wonderful and the only loss is an incentive laden contract. If they are not ready, Garcia or Millwood would at least be competent and keep the team in games.

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    If they are so competent why are they not signed by someone?

  78. blake January 31st, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    I still think if Vlad can be had for less than 5 million then the Yanks should consider it….I know its redundant and I know that they don’t really need him…..but still

  79. G. Love January 31st, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    MTU,

    I’m with you 100%.

    I don’t think AAA guys who didn’t even get a Sept. callup are ready to walk in and pitch in this rotation.

    Nova has the biggest head start on any of them and even with him, he showed some issues when he went through the order the 2nd time.

    I don’t see Nova as a rotation given, but he’s more of a given than any of the AAA names who never have been called up to the majors yet.

    When I say sign Millwood or Garcia it’s to protect ourselves if the AAA guys are completely unprepared for this kind of promotion.

    That said, I don’t see how we could break them in from our bullpen without injuries to the pen. The pen, as it stands, is stacked right now.

    The only available slot is long man. It’s going to be hard to audition arms in that role since if the starting pitching doesn’t give length, the long man will be used a lot.

    I’d rather have Colon and Garcia or Millwood to round out the rotation in theory going into the spring.

    If they show they are cooked and a kid steps up and impresses the team, then by all means go with the kid.

    But I’d still like the team to have options and depth. If the kids can’t cut it, we’ll end up trading good arms for a journeyman like Millwood or Garcia just to stop the bleeding.

  80. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    OK Blake.

    We don’t have to agree on everything. We agree on enough.

    Whatever happens happens.

    2 weeks left before this speculation is put to rest.

    I’m looking forward to the real deal.

    ;)

  81. blake January 31st, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    MTU,

    Whichever side of this you fall on, its still not an ideal situation. Andy is coming back anyway so it won’t matter ;). Sabathia, Hughes, Pettite, Burnett, Nova…..nasty lineup, nasty pen. Bring it on.

  82. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    G. Love-

    I think we are on a similar wavelength. Lord pity you.

    :)

  83. Doreen January 31st, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Betsy -

    Isn’t that why everyone watches Jeopardy? :lol: :lol:

    ****

    I think people are expecting too much from Garcia. the last time he pitched over 200 innings was 2006. He only pitched 157 inning last season. He averaged 5.6 innings per start last season. I think we can hope for 5 innings from one of the kids.

  84. blake January 31st, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    MTU,

    You make good points. I’ll admit part of my reasoning is that I just think it would be more fun to watch Phelps or Warren or Noesi than it would be to watch Millwood or Garcia…..I’ve seen them pitch for years.

  85. blake January 31st, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    I just ate 12 hot wings and now I can’t taste anything.

  86. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Blake-

    As I said somewhere above the issue only really exists if AP does not
    return.

    If he does I agree with what you said above 1000 %.

    Bring it on !

  87. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    I don’t agree on you guys agreeing to disagree.

    I WANT A FIGHT.

  88. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    Blake-

    Let’s hope we get a chance to switch to buffalo burgers again this season.

    It will mean we are in the PS again.

    :)

  89. blake January 31st, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    GB,

    MTU is a lover not a fighter.

  90. Doreen January 31st, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Millwood’s been more consistent innings pitched-wise over the last few years so if you’re gonna have to choose between one of them, wouldn’t Millwood be the wiser choice? At least he gets you 6 full and into the 7th inning.

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2011 at 7:25 pm

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    My S-I-L is going to let me borrow a laptop while mine i$$$ being fixed but I’m not at all sure how to set that up for wireless so I may be stuck with just using it for Office programs – which I do need. Thankfully I have this backup computer for emergencies but this is not conducive to posting for extended periods of time.

    So unless I get the substitute laptop set up for the internet, I will just say YAY!!! ahead of time and that will go for anything that happens for our Yankees for the next several days. I’m grateful by nature so no matter who we sign, I’ll be happy and optimistic about it. And if we don’t sign anyone, I’ll be happy and optimistic about that too. My greatest excitment is in watching things unfold. I’m fine if we go to ST and then some announcement is made about pitching configuration. And I remain hopeful that we will see a new and improved AJ. Why not?

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  92. blake January 31st, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    man i could eat a buffalo burger right now….

  93. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    GB-

    wait for Jerkface or LGY to appear. They love to fight.

    Blake and I “buds”. We don’t fight. We just get drunk together.

    :)

  94. pat January 31st, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    “.. you?re really judging him only by his record?”

    It’s always funny to me when Yankee fans say they don’t care about personal stats, it’s about wins; until someones personal stats aren’t what people expect them to be and then they care about personal stats.

    I’ll take good enough to win over masterful losses.

  95. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2011 at 7:28 pm

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    MTU is a lover not a fighter.

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    nah!!!! I’m just gonna leave that one alone. Too easy. Let somebody in need of some beginner Snark practice take this one.

  96. Betsy January 31st, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Doreen, absolutely – that’s the fun of it.

  97. Doreen January 31st, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Of course Millwood’s gonna give up runs. Garcia will give up a little bit less.

    I mean, you’re talking 5 ERA for Millwood and 4.6 for Garcia. Neither one is going to get past the 6th, Garcia won’t even out of the 6th. You mean to tell me, these kids can’t do that?

  98. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    GB-

    And you are always welcome to join us.

    :)

  99. blake January 31st, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    GB,

    lol….I like to throw you a lollypop every now and then.

  100. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    I imagine Felix Hernandez would have traded some of those well pitched losses for ugly wins any time.

  101. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Doreen-

    I guess it’s like the song, “Que sera sera”.

    In a few weeks we’ll know the answer. No more need to speculate at that point.

    :)

  102. Betsy January 31st, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    That was not my point about Phil, Pat, but we’re never going to agree, so there’s no point getting into an argument

  103. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2011 at 7:32 pm

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    lol….I like to throw you a lollypop every now and then

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  104. Doreen January 31st, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Yup.

    A win is a win and a loss is a loss once it’s done.

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