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Yankees ink Garcia to minor league deal

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 31, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees have reached an agreement with Freddy Garcia, who will come to camp on a minor league deal to compete for a spot in the rotation.

According to Jerry Crasnick, Garcia will make $1.5 million if he makes the team, and he could make an additional $3.6 million based on number of starts.

By the way, if you’re ever desperate for the Yankees to make a move, tell me to step away from a computer for two hours. It never, ever fails.

UPDATE, 11:22 p.m.: A source just confirmed that the Garcia situation is exactly like Bartolo Colon’s. Garcia is being looked at strictly as a starter, and if he doesn’t make the Major League team, he will be released or traded.

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172 Responses to “Yankees ink Garcia to minor league deal”

  1. Nick in SF January 31st, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Let me be the very first to voice approval.

  2. Nick in SF January 31st, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Universal approval.

  3. Nick in SF January 31st, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Anything less would bring with it the scent of stupidity.

  4. Nick in SF January 31st, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    Good, we all agree.

  5. MTU January 31st, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    All of you Nick’s have a good night.

    Harmony is a good thing.

  6. G. Love January 31st, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    On August 27th last year Freddy “The Chief” Garcia went 7 innings, gave up 5 hits and 1 earned run.

    Who did he do it against?

    The 2010 New York Yankees.

    On Sept. 29 in his one start against Boston he went 7 innings and gave up 2 ER against the vaunted Boston offense.

  7. Jerkface January 31st, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Here, Here!

  8. blake January 31st, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    I didn’t think Garcia would come and compete for a job but since he agreed to it’s a zero risk easy move. Cashman is doing his best to make some lemonade of the lemons

  9. Nick in SF January 31st, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Sometimes I miss threaded comments.

  10. Nick in SF January 31st, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    No you don’t! :mad:

  11. Chad Jennings January 31st, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    By the way, if you missed the update, the Garcia situation is exactly like the Colon situation: He’ll audition strictly as a starter, and if he doesn’t make the team, he’ll be released or traded. The AP reports that he has an opt out on March 29.

  12. blake January 31st, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    Can’t beat that

  13. ac1 January 31st, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    Unless Garcia stinks up ST, he will probably be the 5th starter (Nova 4th, or vice versa), and Pettitte will return at some point.

  14. Jerkface January 31st, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    If Andy comes back the Yankees will have 4 guys capable of pitching 6 innings per start.

  15. SAS January 31st, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    Chad,

    Thanks for reporting so late.

  16. ac1 January 31st, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    And if not, they have a stacked bullpen.

  17. Jerkface January 31st, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    44 pitchers in the major leagues last year averaged more than 6 IP per start. Thats not enough to fill out the 1 and 2 spot on every team.

  18. Jerkface January 31st, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    The Yankees had 3, though.

  19. LGY January 31st, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Ya know what’s not polite?

    The amount of stupidity some post on this blog :mad:

  20. SJ44 January 31st, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    AJ Burnett has averaged 207 innings the past 3 years.

    CC, AJ and Hughes are capable of giving them 180-210 innings.

    Which is all you need.

  21. jacksquat January 31st, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    Good deal.

  22. 4 NYY January 31st, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    Garcia may be better than a COLONoscopy !!!

    Hope that A J can improve on the quality of his innings !!!

  23. dc in el cerrito January 31st, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    Chad, take another vacation so Pettitte signs this week. :)

  24. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    If Pettitte doesn’t return and Colon and Garcia fail to make the team, this is who I’d go after: Perhaps even if one of them sticks.

    “•Both Ross Ohlendorf and the Pirates would prefer to avoid an arbitration hearing, but “each party [is] hesitant to budge too much” from the $625K gap in proposed salaries, writes MLB.com’s Jenifer Langosch. The Bucs don’t want Ohlendorf’s price driven up for future arb years, though Ohlendorf is only asking for $2.025MM in 2011. As the Arbtracker tells us, Ohlendorf is Pittsburgh’s last remaining arbitration-eligible player without a contract.”

  25. tyanksfan36 February 1st, 2011 at 12:01 am

    GB7

    I just saw the video on youtube of Torre Tyson doing the soulja boy dance in 2009 with Charlie at the riverdogs game. What I thought was crazy is all the people in the stands. Tampa is never like that. you probably couldnt fill up the lower section behind homeplate with fans on a normal night. I guess theyre right when they say Tampa isnt a sports town.

  26. Betsy February 1st, 2011 at 12:07 am

    I love the no-risk move and Garcia WANTED to be here – which is half the battle. I’m looking forward to seeing him in ST – I feel better about our staff now (not thrilled with it, but I definitely feel better).

    I still have no idea if Andy will be back – I’m not counting on it.

  27. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2011 at 12:13 am

    I suspect that the Pirates would want too much for Ohlendorf.

  28. JCPD February 1st, 2011 at 12:14 am

    Sure glad I don’t take everything in here as gospel because it sured seemed like the gospel said the Yanks had no interest in Garcia.

  29. disco stu February 1st, 2011 at 12:17 am

    I think signing Garcia to a minor league deal is a no-brainer. It’s all no risk, high reward. If he stinks in ST, no harm no foul and move on. By that time, anyway, we will have seen which pitchers have stepped up and made an impression. But if he pitches well and makes the team, the Yankees have that veteran back-end starter they needed to provide depth to the rotation.

    I think its the type of deal that helps the Yankees buy the time they need for the big move that is coming during the season. Besides, with their lineup and back end of the bullpen, they may be very comfortable playing in a lot 7-5 games for the first couple of months until reinforcements arrive and they can be more equipped to win 3-2 games when it really counts.

  30. tyanksfan36 February 1st, 2011 at 12:17 am

    Betsy

    Do you go to ST games? This year seems like its going to be exciting. With the pitching and catching situations. My schedule is awful so I can only make it to 2 games which is a real bummer but one is on the Nationals dime so I’m glad I can go to that one. I too found out once everyone reports to Tampa they open the gates and you can watch them work out. Only problem is I have NO free mornings. I’m going to have to cut class if I want to make it down there.

  31. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2011 at 12:18 am

    MoRings42 February 1st, 2011 at 12:14 am
    it’s like debating tweedle dee and tweedle dumb .. yeah ok Rich you got me, Joba was brilliant for 7 starts in 2008 and especially brilliant against Boston for one game that year. If you had actually watched the games though you would have remembered how he shook off posada constantly and ran that pitch count up every start.

    He was better as a reliever and more useful to the team as one.
    __

    And the fact that he shook off Posada (something he also did as a reliever) shows what exactly?

    You really have no clue. A starter is worth a lot more than a non-closing reliever? How do I know that? Check out the salary differential.

    The guy got hurt and has been diminished in both roles ever since.

  32. Jerkface February 1st, 2011 at 12:20 am

    He ran his pitch count up every game!!!

    *pitched into the 6th and 7th inning all the time with around 100 pitches*

  33. Betsy February 1st, 2011 at 12:23 am

    TY, I live in NY, so no………….I did go to ST once; it was fun, but I’ve never felt the desire to go back again. This ST seems like just the same as any other -except that this year, I probably won’t be sitting glued to ST games like I usually am

  34. MoRings42 February 1st, 2011 at 12:30 am

    Mariano Rivera had a 2.52 ERA in July 1995 as a starter. Maybe we made a mistake?

  35. tyanksfan36 February 1st, 2011 at 12:30 am

    I don’t normally pay attention to the spring training games. I went to school right next to GMS field and never went to any more than the usual family outing. I probably won’t be as glued to the news as well. The pitching options are kinda lame and I highly doubt they will have one of the prospects as the BUC coming out of ST, their at-bats are too important.

  36. Jerkface February 1st, 2011 at 12:32 am

    Joba Chamberlain, or any pitcher, will never ever become another Mariano Rivera

  37. Jerkface February 1st, 2011 at 12:32 am

    Also good job using 4 starts.

  38. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2011 at 12:33 am

    “Mariano Rivera had a 2.52 ERA in July 1995 as a starter. Maybe we made a mistake?”

    It was 5.94

    http://www.baseball-reference......;t=p#sprel

  39. MoRings42 February 1st, 2011 at 12:34 am

    Jerkface February 1st, 2011 at 12:32 am
    Joba Chamberlain, or any pitcher, will never ever become another Mariano Rivera

    not anymore

  40. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2011 at 12:34 am

    Oh, he was using one month. I misread it and thought he meant the whole season.

    Jeez, have some pride, dude.

  41. tyanksfan36 February 1st, 2011 at 12:34 am

    Yeah and AJ Burnett had a good month in 2010. But that highest ERA for a Yankee pitcher must have been a fluke.

  42. Jerkface February 1st, 2011 at 12:35 am

    It was 5.94

    No he was saying that he had a 2.52 era for 4 starts.

  43. Jerkface February 1st, 2011 at 12:39 am

    Joba has far more starts of good quality than bad quality.

  44. MoRings42 February 1st, 2011 at 12:44 am

    He was far more dominant as a reliever than a starter.

  45. UnKnown February 1st, 2011 at 12:45 am

    Jeter needs a pie this year.

  46. MoRings42 February 1st, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Jerkface February 1st, 2011 at 12:39 am
    Joba has far more starts of good quality than bad quality.

    Sure.. if you don’t count 2009.

  47. Jerkface February 1st, 2011 at 12:50 am

    Not true, he had more sustained dominance as a starter. It is much easier to dominate 1 inning than it is to dominate an entire game. And he wasn’t nearly as good in 08 as he was in 07. Or do we forget the 3 run jack by David Delucci? His starts were more impressive because he maintained velocity even after 100 pitches, maintained his K/9 and K:BB and actually had worse luck on balls in play.

  48. Jerkface February 1st, 2011 at 12:52 am

    Sure.. if you don’t count 2009.

    He gave up 3 runs or less in 24 of his starts in 09. As a 23 year old in the AL east. You’re delusional. Extra delusional if you think Joba CHamberlain was ever going to be Mariano Rivera. There will never be another Mo.

  49. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2011 at 1:04 am

    “He was far more dominant as a reliever than a starter.”

    Just stop.

  50. MoRings42 February 1st, 2011 at 1:08 am

    it was a decline.. all of his stats and his velocity charts show him on a decline since his injury in TX. He didn’t look impressive, he looked like a problem they didn’t know how to fix. 3 runs or less in 24 of his starts is sugar coating it.. he had a few early exits there.. 12 starts out of 31 were “quality” in terms of at least 6 inn 3 run. Maybe he wouldn’t have been MO but he could have been close. The more delusional aspect of this were the comparisions to Roy Halladay… and mainly basing them on Halladays early injury problems.

  51. MoRings42 February 1st, 2011 at 1:09 am

    What was his era in 2008 as a reliever, Rich? Was it better or worse than his 12 starts?

  52. Jerkface February 1st, 2011 at 1:13 am

    Joba’s post all-star break run in 09 gave the team more quality innings than most relievers put up in half a season. It doesn’t matter if he declined or not, because even a Joba that is not the same after injury in TX is a more valuable commodity as a starter than a reliever, and pre-injury joba was FAR more valuable as a starter than a reliever.

    The greatest closer of all time, a pitcher that had to dominate for years to get 16 mil AAV contract, makes less per year than Carl Crawford, Jayson Werth, or starters like AJ Burnett, John Lackey, and Josh Beckett.

    No one has to look impressive. you don’t get bonus points for looking good. As long as the performance is there, and it was, then thats all that matters.

    And Joba actually had a quicker pace as a starter than as a reliever.

  53. Jerkface February 1st, 2011 at 1:15 am

    What was his era in 2008 as a reliever, Rich? Was it better or worse than his 12 starts?

    2.7 vs 2.2, but if you can’t maintain a lower ERA as a reliever than starting you’re a bad pitcher. It is easier to pitch in the bullpen. The fact is, not many pitchers in baseball can throw up a sub-3 ERA.

    And why aren’t you peddling your BS about Hughes? He was a better reliever than Joba was. He had longer sustained dominance as a reliever than Joba ever had.

  54. Jerkface February 1st, 2011 at 1:15 am

    And if the Yankees could have got reliever mariano rivera to pitch 6 innings instead of 1, they would have taken that in a heart beat. Starters are more valuable, period.

  55. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2011 at 1:15 am

    ” he looked like a problem they didn’t know how to fix. 3 runs or less in 24 of his starts is sugar coating it.. he had a few early exits there.. ”

    The only sugar coating was that they never said that his injury would alter his career, but most sports franchises are less than candid about injuries.

    You have no idea whether or not he would have been injured if he had remained as a reliever.

    The point remains. He was considerably better as a starter in 2009, even coming off the injury than AJ or Vazquez were in 2010.

    Halladay’s issues were not the result of an injury.

  56. Jerkface February 1st, 2011 at 1:21 am

    Also who ever said Joba was Roy Halladay?

  57. MoRings42 February 1st, 2011 at 1:33 am

    His post all star break run in 2009? You may want to go look at those numbers again. He had a great june, a decent july, after that it was garbage. He lasted 6 innings, the most, twice… the rest of the way. His relief performance in the postseason, despite holding my breath every time he came in, was among his best “post all star break”.

    Salary is irrelevant unless you’re making or spending the money. Albert Pujols makes less money than Mark Teixeira. What does that mean? Better agent.

  58. MoRings42 February 1st, 2011 at 1:39 am

    ok it’s been fun but it’s like beating a dead horse.. Hopefully Pettitte comes back and we can finally have some good news in Yankee land to talk about. Until then, GFY lol

  59. Jerkface February 1st, 2011 at 1:40 am

    Post ASB 2009

    21.2 IP .83 ERA 19 K 8 BB 8 HIT 2R

    Thats a third of any reliever’s season. And better than any reliever is going to put up.

  60. Jerkface February 1st, 2011 at 1:41 am

    Yea relievers don’t make as much money as starters because of agents, not demand or the reality of the positions.

  61. Bo knows February 1st, 2011 at 1:42 am

    Actually I’m giddy about the Yankee pitching. ST will be fascinating. Eight starters within a year of the Majors if Mitchell is in the mix. There will be trials and tribulations but what an exciting time. They can run four pitchers through trials this year and showcase them for value in trades or plug them into the rotation, amazing.

    AJ had better be focused or he could be on the sidelines looking in, the Gehrig story all over again. AJ, you’d better trot out the CU or we’ll eat some cash and trade you to KC. Talk about embarassing.

    And these rookies are all state of the art, we’re talking sitting 92/94. The Cashman plan about to come to fruition. It’s Bloody Great.

    Normally you have one or two possibles as starters. This year there are four. Boy, that Cashman is sure a dud.

    The Genius Theo has how many backups In the Pipeline?

  62. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2011 at 1:46 am

    “Salary is irrelevant unless you’re making or spending the money. Albert Pujols makes less money than Mark Teixeira. What does that mean? Better agent.”

    Um, just taking a guess here…free agency.

  63. PacoDooley February 1st, 2011 at 6:50 am

    This rotation built from a collection of has beens reminds of the strategy that failed for Boston a couple of years ago when they trotted out Smoltz and Penny. I like the idea of seeing if a Colon or Garcia can give you 150 innings or whatever from the number 5 slot, but unless AJ steps up and Nova can hold down the #4, they are looking at a similar finish as Boston did in ’09.

  64. Doreen February 1st, 2011 at 6:53 am

    Good morning, morning people.

    :)

    I would imagine that there are a lot of Lohud fans who are feeling better today after the news that the Yankees signed Garcia to a minor league deal.

    Can’t criticize the move at all. Same as Colon. Low risk for the Yankees.

  65. blake February 1st, 2011 at 6:57 am

    Boston made the playoffs in 2009.

  66. Doreen February 1st, 2011 at 7:00 am

    PacoDooley -

    I thought Boston signed Smoltz and Penny to actually start, not to compete for a starting position. Which would make it a different situation than we have with the Yankees. Neither Colon nor Garcia is guaranteed a job, and neither would be making a heck of a lot of money unless they get the job and succeed with it. So I believe the risk is much lower for the Yankees than it was for the Red Sox, not to mention the cost.

  67. Doreen February 1st, 2011 at 7:01 am

    blake -

    Good point. I didn’t read his last sentence. :)

  68. blake February 1st, 2011 at 7:05 am

    Doreen,

    Yea and also the Sox signed both of those guys to big league deals and expected them to be the 4th and 5th starters. Colon and Garcia can both be let go without paying them anything. I like the moves because of that and the fact that they will be competing for and not given a rotation spot. I doubt they both make the team to be honest……

  69. Fran the original February 1st, 2011 at 7:07 am

    Good morning.

    Good move to sign Garcia. Another option for the starting rotation. And if he doesn’t work out, not much lost.

  70. upstate kate February 1st, 2011 at 7:07 am

    good morning early birds!!!
    I don’t know how it was missed on here, but yesterday was Jackie Robinson’s birth date.

  71. blake February 1st, 2011 at 7:09 am

    Larry Lucchino.said yesterday that he got “hormonal satisfaction from outdueling the Yankees this winter”…..lol!

  72. upstate kate February 1st, 2011 at 7:10 am

    thanks Blake for that creepy thought :(

  73. blake February 1st, 2011 at 7:13 am

    Kate,

    What does that even mean …..Sox nation is drinkin the koolaid big time.

  74. Doreen February 1st, 2011 at 7:24 am

    blake -

    That is just weird. Really, really weird. Yucky weird. :(

    upstate kate -

    Too much Yankee obsession, I guess. Belated Happy Birthday to Jackie Robinson!

  75. blake February 1st, 2011 at 7:26 am

    Maybe he’s going through Manopause.

  76. Don Vito A. Bellamo February 1st, 2011 at 7:27 am

    Cliff Lee, Freddy Garcia….no difference, right ? ;-)

  77. upstate kate February 1st, 2011 at 7:30 am

    manopause, I like that Blake :)

  78. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 7:32 am

    Morning.

    OK.

    Now I’m ready to do battle.

    Bring it on.

    Should be a very interesting ST.

    Several major competitions goin’ down.

    The 4/5 battles.

    And the battle for BU catcher between Cervelli/Jesus/Romine.

    And of course, the inevitable surprises.

    I like it.

    Move over Boston and let the Yankees take over.

    :)

  79. blake February 1st, 2011 at 7:33 am

    MTU,

    you got your innings eater and I got it on a minor league deal…..we both got what we wanted :)

  80. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 7:36 am

    Blake-

    Nah. It it isn’t manopause.

    The Luke came up for air and gulped too much which resulted in huge micro brain fart.

    He has been that way ever since.

    Sometimes it happens that way to bottom feeders.

    :)

  81. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 7:37 am

    Blake-

    It’s a no lose sitchiation for the Yankees.

    A total no-brainer.

    :)

  82. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 7:38 am

    And we trade for AP at the half.

    ;)

  83. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 7:41 am

    I really like the idea that these guys are going to have to compete for a job, and nothing is going to be handed to anybody.

    Competition brings out the best in players.

    The best Men win. Darwin at work.

    :)

  84. Gary February 1st, 2011 at 7:44 am

    Having to sign Garcia and Colon to minor league contracts shows just how bad the SP situation is with the Yanks. Wondering if another 38 year old pitcher will play this year or not just adds an explanation point to the whole mess.

  85. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 7:44 am

    Scary good offense

    Lockdown BP

    GG defense

    Competitive rotation

    Depth

    See. We got it all.

    :)

  86. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 7:47 am

    The Sux made a big splash.

    But all these incremental improvements Cashman has made have quietly brought the Yankees right to the front of the line.

    We are stronger than most now see.

  87. blake February 1st, 2011 at 7:49 am

    MTU,

    yea I agree. I like it. Andy comes back before ST though ;) should an an excited spring…..will get a look at a lot of guys we haven’t seen a lot of. I think Betances (not sure about Banuelos) will be i’m big league camp to start out.

  88. Mell February 1st, 2011 at 7:49 am

    “We are stronger than most now see”

    Because of a shytebum like Freddy Garcia?

  89. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 7:50 am

    Why ?

    The offense and defense have been improved.

    The BP is the best in baseball.

    The rotation is competitive.

    We are more athletic than ever.

    And we have the 5th best farm system in ALL of baseball.

    How’s them apples ?

    :)

  90. pat February 1st, 2011 at 7:50 am

    This winter has been an episode of MLB Presidents Mouths Run Wild and Lucchino felt left out?

    To follow up his icky comment he also played up the small market, gritty gutty Sox angle.

    ?They?re always the favorites. C?mon, they?re the New York Yankees. They?re in the biggest market in the world. We?re happy to be the guys that they worry about looking over their shoulder.”

    Is it delusion if you really believe it?

  91. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 7:53 am

    Mell-

    It’s the overall combination of things done.

    Turtles start off slow but they finish. Rabbit’s start fast but sometimes crash and burn.

    We have a lot of things going for us.

    The rotation could be better at the backend but can be honed as time goes on.

    We should be able to hang tough until that time.

  92. GreenBeret7 February 1st, 2011 at 7:53 am

    Damned. It seems a little early for Gary and Paco to be up and whining over nothing. About time for you two to turn on Romper Room and see if Miss Susan can see you in the Magic Mirror. You aren’t very good Do-Bees, today.

  93. blake February 1st, 2011 at 7:54 am

    MTU,

    SJ talked about this yesterday. Yanks are better defensively at catcher, better bullpen, should have a stronger bench, and hopefully will have better and more healthy years from other key contributors. They are one Andy Pettite away from a very good and balanced club…..with even more help on the horizon on the farm.

  94. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 7:54 am

    Pat-

    Boston is now the 200 Mil underdog ?

    Heck. our payroll is lower than theirs.

    What a hoot.

    Boston. The best team that money can buy.

  95. upstate kate February 1st, 2011 at 7:56 am

    Pat
    does it become the truth if you say the same wrong thing over and over?

  96. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 7:57 am

    Blake-

    I am no longer very concerned.

    Things look brighter today than yesterday.

    Not perfect. Better. All teams have a few warts.

    :)

  97. blake February 1st, 2011 at 7:58 am

    Its really time for the Sox to stop this whole small market little engine that could BS….when they go out and spend 142 million bucks on Crawford and trade their 3 best prospects for Gonzalez it just makes them look ridiculous to talk like that. They are the 2nd biggest payroll in baseball…..

  98. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:01 am

    Blake-

    My gut tells me that Martin is gonna be a major positive surprise.

    And that Montero will not disappoint once he comes up.

    The Octopus could put serious suction around the necks of our enemies after the ASB out of the pen.

    Granderson is going to continue to progress.

    Nova is gonna look good too.

    GGBG is gonna have a great year.

    Want me to go on ? I can.

    :)

  99. Mell February 1st, 2011 at 8:01 am

    “Heck. our payroll is lower than theirs”

    No, it’s not. Gotta be honest with ourselves. Yankees will be paying around $28M more in salary than Boston this year. Over $40M if Pettitte comes back.

  100. pat February 1st, 2011 at 8:01 am

    I remember Miss Louise. Romper Stomper Domper do, tell me tell me tell me true……

  101. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:03 am

    Mell-

    Alright. So I got a little carried away. Sorry.

    They can’t claim they are the little engine that could.

    They spent like drunken sailors this OS.

  102. Mell February 1st, 2011 at 8:06 am

    “They can’t claim they are the little engine that could.”

    No, they can’t.

  103. GreenBeret7 February 1st, 2011 at 8:06 am

    pat February 1st, 2011 at 8:01 am
    I remember Miss Louise. Romper Stomper Domper do, tell me tell me tell me true……

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I think every station had a Miss Somebody. The only constant was Miss Francis of Dong Dong School.

  104. blake February 1st, 2011 at 8:07 am

    Mell,

    True, but that’s not counting Gonzalez’s big extension that’s looming. The Yankees will probabaly always have the highest payroll because they can….but Boston is inching closer and not farther away from them. Ill bet that Boston actually spends more in relation to their revenues than the Yanks do….

  105. GreenBeret7 February 1st, 2011 at 8:07 am

    **Ding*** Dong School

  106. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:12 am

    GB-

    You’re up early today.

    Did “Killer” wake you up while wandering around in another one of his drunken stupors ?

    :)

  107. blake February 1st, 2011 at 8:13 am

    Boston has 101 million already committed to 2012 and that’s not counting the 20+ million that Adrian is going to get. Plus they will have to either re-sign or replace Drew, Ortiz, and the catcher position after this season.

  108. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Blake-

    The best news of all is that Boston has totally gutted their farm system.

    If they reach down they’re just gonna grab a big handfull of nothin’.

    That is good news.

    :)

  109. Mell February 1st, 2011 at 8:18 am

    Blake:

    Sure, but they have $50M coming off the books too with Drew, Ortiz, Papelbon, Cameron, Scutaro, Wakefield, Varitek, etc. As for spending more than the Yankees do as a percentage of their revenue, sure they do. What choice do they have? They can’t compete otherwise. While they are clearly not the “little engine that could” when measured against the rest of baseball, it is equally clear they are not on a level playing field with the Yankees either. Nobody is.

  110. blake February 1st, 2011 at 8:19 am

    After Gonzalez signs his extension the Red Sox will have more money already on the books for 2014 than the Yankees do. The Yankees are heading towards more financial flexibilty…..Im not sure the Sox are.

  111. Betsy February 1st, 2011 at 8:20 am

    They haven’t gutted their farm system; their lower minors are stuffed with great prospects

  112. blake February 1st, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Mell,

    While that money will be.coming off the books, most of those guys actually play for the Red Sox so they will have to either be re-signed or replaced. The money the Yankees have coming off (Posada, Marte, Igawa etc….) either wont need replacing or will be replaced cheaply from within. Money coming off doesn’t matter if you have to turn around and spend it again.

  113. PacoDooley February 1st, 2011 at 8:23 am

    GreenBeret7 February 1st, 2011 at 7:53 am
    Damned. It seems a little early for Gary and Paco to be up and whining over nothing. About time for you two to turn on Romper Room and see if Miss Susan can see you in the Magic Mirror. You aren’t very good Do-Bees, today.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    It’s the middle of the afternoon where I am, so plenty late to whine! Good points about the ’09 Sox. I had in my mind that the Yankees and TB made the playoffs, not Boston (perhaps because their pitching situation was so dire). I see that the situation is a little different, but that Boston rotation, with the bits of pieces thrown out there, feels a bit like this Yankees rotation. Aside from CC, who is a reliable starter in the rotation? Hughes needs to prove himself, AJ needs to gain back some of his form, Nova needs to show he is a big league pitcher that can go through a lineup more than once and they need a decent #5 option.

    On the other hand, there is a possibility that this rotation puts it all together and the team wins 100 games. CC could get back to 20 (let’s say 18), AJ could get 15 wins if he can gain some control, Hughes could win 20 (let’s say 18) and the 4 and 5 could each win a dozen or so (say 25 wins between them?). 70-80 wins from the starting 5 would be acceptable and in line with the last couple of years. But there are some big ifs.

  114. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Betsy-

    It’s gonna take a long time for those guys to matter.

    So in my eyes, they have gutted their system.

    Not that it was any great shakes to begin with.

    We are now near the top. They are no better than middle of the pack.

    And that is probably generous.

    They’ve got nothin’ for a long time.

  115. GreenBeret7 February 1st, 2011 at 8:25 am

    What other team in baseball, besides the Mets, has to compete against so many sports teams and events as the Yankees do? Nobody. Three hockey teams, two football teams, two basketball teams, two baseball teams, tennis tournaments, golf, college teams. Did I forget anything, besides Broadway shows, night clubs?

  116. Betsy February 1st, 2011 at 8:26 am

    We’ll see, MTU

  117. Erin February 1st, 2011 at 8:26 am

    It’s Robinson Cano month!!!!!! :D

    My only complaint-did they have to use him for the shortest month of the year? Not cool, calendar people.

  118. GreenBeret7 February 1st, 2011 at 8:27 am

    MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:12 am
    GB-

    You’re up early today.

    Did “Killer” wake you up while wandering around in another one of his drunken stupors ?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Yeah, and that bum forgot his keys to the doggy-door again.

  119. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:27 am

    Betsy-

    Yes. We will. And we’ll be smiling. They won’t.

    Stay warm.

    :)

  120. 86w183 February 1st, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Great move signing Garcia. I always preferred him over the other “reclamation” projects because he was by far the best of them in 2010 and could well be better, stronger in 2011.

    He had decent numbers, 12-6, 4.64 but he was actually better than that in terms of a typical outing.

    He had 4 horrible starts in which he lasted a total of 9 innings and gave up 25 earned runs.

    In his other 24 starts he went 148 innings with an ERA of 3.41.

    I’d settle for 12-6, 4.64 but he might be better than that another year removed from health issues. Then again, he could break down in spring training which is why they got him so cheaply.

  121. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 1st, 2011 at 8:28 am

    GB, college sports teams

  122. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:29 am

    GB-

    Damn.

    Have you considered sending him to DAA ?

    :(

  123. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Erin-

    You’re alive.

    You survived the blizzard.

    Did you get the Dog sled and hot chocolate I sent ?

    :)

  124. Betsy February 1st, 2011 at 8:31 am

    MTU, I’m going to HATE driving in this garbage – ice, snow, rain. Later on, there’s going to be more ice……. I’m going to drive very, very slowly. I have a doctor’s app’t for after work, but I’m going to switch it- at 5 pm, all I’m going to want to do is go home

  125. upstate kate February 1st, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Erin
    you will just have to leave your calendar on Feb for awhile!
    Did you get blasted w/ that bad storm?

  126. GreenBeret7 February 1st, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Why is it that Hughes has to “prove himself”, but, Buccholz doesn’t.or do any other 2nd year starters? Why doesn’t Ubaldo Jimanez have to prove himself or Bumgarner of SF or after 1 good season, does Jonathan Sanchez need to prove himself?

  127. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Betsy-

    Can’t say as I blame you.

    You should move to the Carribean forthwith.

    This winter will be remembered for a while.

    Drive very carefully.

  128. pat February 1st, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Erin

    How’s your weather?

  129. Erin February 1st, 2011 at 8:34 am

    kate-the blizzard hasn’t hit yet. It’s supposed to start around 3:00 this afternoon. I’m so looking forward to the drive home. lol

    Last night was nothing-we’re used to getting 3 or 4 inches!

  130. Mell February 1st, 2011 at 8:35 am

    86:

    That’s the way I see the signings of Colon, Garcia, Prior, etc. If you don’t expect anything of ‘em, they can’t disappoint. If they make some small contribution, which I think is about the ceiling for this trio, then it’ll be worth more than what the Yankees paid for it.

  131. Erin February 1st, 2011 at 8:35 am

    MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:31 am
    Erin-

    You?re alive.

    You survived the blizzard.

    **************************
    MTU-you’re early. You’ll have to check back tomorrow to see if I survived. ;)

  132. upstate kate February 1st, 2011 at 8:36 am

    oh, we are supposed to get the same thing…lucky for me I carpool w/ a guy who has a big truck, and offers to drive when the weather is bad

  133. Betsy February 1st, 2011 at 8:37 am

    MTU, thanks!

  134. Erin February 1st, 2011 at 8:37 am

    pat February 1st, 2011 at 8:34 am
    Erin

    How?s your weather?

    **************************
    Hi pat.

    It’s not too bad-yet. The good news is, I’m thinking I’ll get a snow day tomorrow!! :)

  135. GreenBeret7 February 1st, 2011 at 8:38 am

    MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:29 am
    GB-

    Damn.

    Have you considered sending him to DAA ?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I was thinking about sending him out to you, Anybody that can train dogs to feed snakes can straighten him out, Of course, it might have been wiser to train those dogs to know that they aren’t supposed to be the food,

  136. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Erin-

    That just means there is still hope that the dogsled and hot chocolate
    can arrive in time.

    Be sure to wear your wool PJ’s and your uggs.

    Stay safe.

    :)

  137. 86w183 February 1st, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Mell —-

    That’s the way I see Colon and Prior, but Garcia was pretty good last year and the same performance(s) would be a nice improvement in the No. 5 slot.

    Still would like Pettite back and the others fighting for one spot instead of two.

  138. GreenBeret7 February 1st, 2011 at 8:41 am

    There are more complaints about Cashman bringing Colon and Garcia to camp for tryouts than there were about him not signing any starters at all.

  139. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:43 am

    GB-

    Feel free. A few weeks in the desert will get him dried out.

    Then I can send him back sober.

    :)

  140. PacoDooley February 1st, 2011 at 8:43 am

    I think Hughes has to prove himself like any other starter – is he going to continue to develop into a front of the line starter that can win 16-20 games a year for several years, or will he either break down or have some rough seasons (worst case scenario – Dontrelle Willis)..

  141. Erin February 1st, 2011 at 8:44 am

    Thanks MTU. I look forward to the dogsled and hot chocolate! :)

  142. 108 stitches February 1st, 2011 at 8:45 am

    I posted 2 days ago that Freddy Garcia would be the best of what’s left out there with consideration that it was a bad free agency year for starting pitchers. Anything more than 6 innings from him is a bonus with the bullpen being what it is.
    Get Andy on board and let’s go to war.

  143. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:46 am

    GB-

    Of course the downside with sending Killer here is that he might become sober but take up Polygamy.

    You know how he likes to carouse.

    :)

  144. SJ44 February 1st, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Everybody has “great” prospects in the lower minors……..according to the teams.

    AA and above is the line of demarcation when it comes to judging prospects.

    Teams that don’t have many quality prospects at AA or above, like the Red Sox right now, aren’t in good shape in the farm system.

    The basic rule of thumb when defining good systems……..good farm systems=most good prospects closest to the majors.

    The Red Sox also aren’t “loaded” at the lower end of their system.

    It’s too early to tell how many of their 2010 draftees are good since many of them have yet to play.

  145. Erica in NY February 1st, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Good morning, morning people!

  146. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:48 am

    My pleasure Erin.

    We can’t have you go all “Shining” on us.

    :)

  147. mick February 1st, 2011 at 8:51 am

    108 stitches February 1st, 2011 at 8:45 am

    I posted 2 days ago that Freddy Garcia would be the best of what’s left out there with consideration that it was a bad free agency year for starting pitchers
    ============================================
    Millwood prob. wouldn’t go for a minor league deal.
    Freddy was ready.

  148. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:51 am

    Erica-

    Take the day off. It’s on me. I mandate it. Tell your boss I said so.

    :)

  149. mick February 1st, 2011 at 8:52 am

    What if both Colon and Garcia impress?

  150. Gary February 1st, 2011 at 8:56 am

    GB7 good morning guy, actually I’m off for a day of fishing. Didn’t think my ONE post was a whine, but if you did so be it.

  151. pat February 1st, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Wow.

    BreakingNews Winter storm closes Dallas-Fort Worth Airport

  152. mick February 1st, 2011 at 8:56 am

    No shot of Andy coming to ST now?……

  153. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Then Nova goes to the pen to wait his turn, or gets sent down.

    Best Men win.

    Don’t think it will happen. But it could.

  154. 108 stitches February 1st, 2011 at 8:57 am

    As said before, Boston better hope for good health from their 1 – 5 starters with no major league ready prospects to help nor to use as trading chips at the 7/31 trading deadline.
    Saltalamacchia and Varitek ? No thanks. Catching is yet another weak link in their farm system.

  155. SJ44 February 1st, 2011 at 8:57 am

    People whining about Garcia and Colon are whining for the sake of whining.

    Garcia won more games than AJ last year and threw more innings than Andy.

    If he pitches the same way he did last year on this team, he wins 13-15 games.

    That’s a bad thing?

    Colon is a no risk, take a shot, deal.

    EVERY team has “take a flyer” guys they bring to ST.

  156. ac1 February 1st, 2011 at 8:58 am

    I say Garcia starts and Colon goes.

  157. Erica in NY February 1st, 2011 at 8:58 am

    MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:51 am
    Erica-

    Take the day off. It’s on me. I mandate it. Tell your boss I said so
    ***************

    Yesterday, I brought cookies that I baked Saturday night into work. They were a HUGE hit with the managing partner.

    I hit a new personal low, when I told him that if he allowed me to have a snow day, I promise to sit and bake all day and bring him the goods.

    He told me it was a really good offer. LOL

  158. mick February 1st, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Looks like a battle for the 4th spot between Bartolo and Freddy.

  159. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Maybe AP comes back later on ?

  160. blake February 1st, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Keith law liked the Sox draft last year….that doesn’t mean their farm system is strong. They have Iglesias as a potential big league regular and nobody knows if he can even hit at the big league level.

  161. ac1 February 1st, 2011 at 8:59 am

    As said before, Boston better hope for good health from their 1 – 5 starters with no major league ready prospects to help nor to use as trading chips at the 7/31 trading deadline.
    Saltalamacchia and Varitek ? No thanks. Catching is yet another weak link in their farm system
    ___

    HA… when is the last time Beckett or Dice-K made it through a season without the DL?

  162. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Erica-

    He needs to take it.

    :)

  163. Mell February 1st, 2011 at 9:01 am

    “Maybe AP comes back later on ?”

    I can hear Suzyn Waldman’s orgasmic screams now.

  164. upstate kate February 1st, 2011 at 9:01 am

    108
    I think you should get bonus points for spelling Salty’s name correctly!

  165. blake February 1st, 2011 at 9:01 am

    I think if Andy comes back then Nova, Garcia, and Colon duke it out for the 5th spot in ST. One of Colon/Garcia probably gets cut in that event…

  166. 86w183 February 1st, 2011 at 9:01 am

    GB 7 —

    Who’s been complaining about Garcia? Looks like most people here, including me have been very positive about the signing.

    It’s the ideal low-risk type signing this time of year.

  167. mick February 1st, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Freddy Sez: Mitre’s our long man.

  168. mick February 1st, 2011 at 9:02 am

    The closest thing to a lock is Nova at #5.

  169. MTU February 1st, 2011 at 9:03 am

    New thread.

    The next pinch hitter.

    =====>

  170. GreenBeret7 February 1st, 2011 at 9:04 am

    MTU February 1st, 2011 at 8:46 am
    GB-

    Of course the downside with sending Killer here is that he might become sober but take up Polygamy.

    You know how he likes to carouse.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    He’s already a Mormon dog. He likes to, if you’ll pardon the expression, “cat around”. Dry him out? Good luck with that. That bum is a wino. He can smell moonshine and liquor 30 miles away.

  171. SJ44 February 1st, 2011 at 9:06 am

    As far as the Yankees off-season, let’s look at it.

    Upgraded defensively in a big way with Martin. Both the catching and throwing from Posada and Cervelli were a real weak spot last year. That has been upgraded considerably with Martin. If he hits? A welcome plus.

    You also have Montero getting closer to being ready.

    Posada as a fulltime DH is MUCH better than rotating DH’s.

    Added another lefty to the pen that’s murder on lefties in Feliciano.

    Soriano is a big upgrade over Wood.

    Expected return to good health from CC, Mo, Arod, Tex, Posada, and Swisher. All of whom were playing hurt in September and October.

    You have a half dozen young arms with upside who could contribute this year.

    If Andy comes back, you can make an argument they are WS favorites.

  172. mick February 1st, 2011 at 9:10 am

    So the big question now is Pena or Nunez.
    I say let Nunez play, along with Montero, in AAA.

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