Hank moves into George’s old office
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 02, 2011 
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This is from The Associated Press.
TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — The Boss’ old office at Steinbrenner Field is being used, again.
The Steinbrenner family, as part of a renovation project at the Yankees’ spring training stadium, decided that team co-chairman Hank Steinbrenner will use the office of his late father, George Steinbrenner.
Hank Steinbrenner said on Tuesday that “It’s a great honor” to move into the office his father had worked out of since the mid-1990′s.
This is Hank Steinbrenner’s first full week in his new office on the first-base side of the ballpark. George Steinbrenner’s oldest son previously had an office along the third-base line.
George Steinbrenner died at age 80 in July.
Steinbrenner Field is a smoke-free environment.
I sometimes get the feeling that Hank is the family Costanza.
I wonder how much flak Hank Steinbrenner gets for this on here and in the rest of the media as far as insensitivity and “trying to take over”?
I really miss my old fake Hank twitter Hankstein. I tried to petition Twitter to let me open it up again by stating it was fake, but they wouldn’t let me do it.
“I wonder how much flak Hank Steinbrenner gets for this on here and in the rest of the media as far as insensitivity and “trying to take over”?”
It’s not like anyone is using it, so…
Wow, it really is a slow news day …
Does Hank like Calzones?
Does Hank like Calzones?
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Who doesn’t?
Maybe Chip because he is a lemming and I do not believe the calzone is part of their diet.
LGY February 2nd, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Does Hank like Calzones?
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Who doesn’t?
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Me.
I am not a big fan of ricotta cheese
“Does Hank like Calzones?”
As long as they are from Paisano’s…
Queensland, Australia just got hit with 181 MPH winds from a cyclone.
Chip was way out of line.
I would be extremely up$et if Patrick ever left this site!
GLove,
That’s what got me on Twitter! lol
That was some fun times! Funny, funny stuff.
LGY,
How much rope will Martin get?
If his D is like it was last year, a lot because his D is a big upgrade over everyone they have.
Hi, GB – yeah, I’ve been following that story, it looks pretty bad there. They’re getting clobbered much worse than us here on LI.
Less than two weeks to go. Thank goodness. The chatter here has been pretty bad, much below replacement level.
GB-
It is the size of Katrina.
That after Brisbane experienced historic flooding a few weeks ago.
Like I’ve been saying. The weather is really wierd this year.
The only good thing is that it went slightly North.
Cairns is realtively small but Darwin and Brisbane will both be affected.
It will dump an enormous amount of rain on an area that is already saturated.
Not good.
Nick,
You know I can’t really leave forever, the allure of winning my money back is too strong
You’ll never know if a player is ready until you play him, the Yankees may have thought Nova was not ready (though I think it has more to do with trying to get something out of Vazquez / Burnett / Mosely) but that assumption may have been incorrect. Whenever a team brings up a player, it is always possible that they would have succeeded much earlier.
We will never know this, because we can’t time travel or go to alternate dimensions, but the very fact that these possibilities exist can color discussion.
In 4 starts leading up to Nova’s Aug 23 debut, Vazquez was allowed to pitch 4 games with an 8.10 ERA and lose 2 of them. He pitched only 16.2 IP in those 4 games, affecting future games due to the bullpen’s use. The Yankees, underestimating Nova, or not having another alternative meant essentially blowing 4 games, which could be the difference in a division title.
And I don’t think Nova’s inexperience or potential ‘readiness’ factored even 10% of the decision, seeing as how he had already been called up once. Other things that we do not know about were probably taken into consideration and for whatever reason the Yankees thought giving Javy Vazquez those starts was the right choice. Doesn’t mean it was the right choice, or the best choice.
Hi Joe fro Long Island, SJ44 & GB7 -
I’ve been skimming this afternoon.
I don’t have the energy to get involved in discussions like occurred here today.
Pitchers and catchers can’t happen fast enough.
Nick in SF -
Girardi owes you!
LOL
I believe in giving Martin plenty of rope. The Yankees liked him enough to make a committment to him, so I should say they’ll have enough patience to ride out a slump.
My younger son went to the U. of Queensland for a semester when he was in college. and I don’t like ricotta cheese either.
Joe/MTU, so far, no deaths. Cairn is the 3rd largest city in state of Queensland. really a pretty area on the Coral Sea. If damage is all they end up with, they were lucky.
Moseley did okay.
Mitre did okay.
Gaudin I question.
I’ll leave it at that. I’m always glad when others interject their thoughts into these kinds of discussions and say what I’d say if I could say it as well, and then I don’t have to say it at all.
who’s in charge, Hank or Hal?
Doreen, how is it out by you? It was bad here this morning, but it’s now just rain and not bad at all. We’re set to have another storm on Saturday – ugh – so I’m going to push for my parents to come home from Florida on Friday
In the months of August and September alone Javy had a 7 era, in August it was 8.
Martin can play 100-110 games.
Montero 50-60.
Problem solved.
Afternoon, Doreen. You decided to maintain your mental health, huh? I had none to lose, so, I thought that I’d pester people.
Hal’s in charge/Hank got the office. lol
Well said Face
Betsy -
This morning I woke up to all the trees coated with ice (gorgeous, by the way) and freezing rain coming down. Which turned to rain. and then the temps went up and all the ice melted off the trees. It’s not doing anything now. It even looked like the sun was peaking out a little earlier.
I don’t think they needed to close the schools today.
Not a fun winter though, all in all.
Rich, there is no problem- and I see no reason why Martin can’t play more. We don’t even know if Montero will make the team. He should not be given a spot – let him force his way on the team
GB7 -
Today was clearly a day where one might exercise caution before jumping into the fray. I really did not have the mental energy. It’s been an interesting couple of days for me so this stuff is not worth the effort sometimes.
Doreen,
If one bus skidded and hurt kids or one teacher had been injured, there would be hell to pay. It’s just not worth opening the schools.
Doreen, if ice weren’t so dangerous and we didn’t have so much of it, I might agree, lol .
GB-
I have been to the entire Northern territories including Darwin
It’s an amazing area.
I feel very sorry for them.
The Aussies are a tough and resilient lot.
If anybody can rebuild after something like this it’s them.
My heart goes out to them. It’s gonna be bad.
Betsy -
Is it really supposed to storm again this weekend???
I need to get up to White Plains. I bought my daughter some boots and I have to get them to her. Maybe if it’s okay tomorrow, I’ll take a drive up there and come right home. Living an hour and a half away from her is not great, to say the least. And we’re 10 years from retirement, so chances are we’re not going to be able to move closer and time soon. It’s very frustrating.
Doreen February 2nd, 2011 at 5:53 pm
GB7 -
Today was clearly a day where one might exercise caution before jumping into the fray. I really did not have the mental energy. It’s been an interesting couple of days for me so this stuff is not worth the effort sometimes.
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Doreen, I can understand staying away. I’ve been in combat zones that were quieter than this place has been, the last few days.
“Other things that we do not know about were probably taken into consideration and for whatever reason the Yankees thought giving Javy Vazquez those starts was the right choice.”
I’m sure of that, but simplest explanation is the failure to combat inertia – the impulse to keep doing what you have been doing – combined with excessive concern over the lack of certainty about either Vazquez or his replacements.
Betsy
Oh, I agree ice is way worse than snow. But once my husband was able to get out of our neighborhood this morning, and the roads here weren’t bad, I think they could have gone with a delayed opening. Here. I’m sure it was different even 20 miles north of here.
Doreen, wintry mix, what else is new, lol.
MTU February 2nd, 2011 at 5:54 pm
GB-
I have been to the entire Northern territories including Darwin
It’s an amazing area.
I feel very sorry for them.
The Aussies are a tough and resilient lot.
If anybody can rebuild after something like this it’s them.
My heart goes out to them. It’s gonna be bad.
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I’ve been to Australia 5 times since the late ’60s. What a great place to visit. The last time was 4 years ago and spent a month in The Gold Coast. Been everywhere else there from the National forests to the Blue Mountains. As a city, there isn’t a more beautiful place in the world than Sidney.
gb7
It’s cabin fever. Gotta be.
SAS -
You’re probably right. Especially, my daughter’s school is not in the district – it’s 20 minutes away for me – and kids come from all over.
But for the district kids, I think a delayed opening would have worked. Of course, the forecast was slightly different than the weather we actually had, and they had to make the decision early. we were called at 5 am.
Doreen – I was lucky in that I was taking a day off today, to take care of some personal business.
This morning everything was encased in a quarter inch of ice. My wife insisted on driving to her office, fortunately only 5 minute drive from our house. Even more fortunate in that she got there ok.
Around mid-late morning it turned to regular rain as the temp got up, and I spent a chunk of this PM scraping ice off my driveway and walkways, and then slogging around the house to knock the stalactites off the rain gutters, and to knock some of the snow off the edge of my roof. Nothing like a face full of ice and snow.
Just as well, it was more productive than reading some of the chatter here, in real time.
If Andy comes back, it will be great. If not, then the Yanks will figure something out. I think their starting rotation, in either case, it more than competitive. I realize some of the characters here may disagree, but that’s my opinion. Heck, take a look at the other teams. They have a ton of questions, also; and I think some have bigger questions.
Betsy
Because Montero’s development and future are far more important to the team. In fact, it may be the single most important thing for the team for the foreseeable future.
Unless Montero is awful in ST, he needs to make the team AND play.
MTU, what happened in Australia?
I’d kill to go there, but what American unless he’s a trust fund baby or of retirement age can take the time needed?
Rich, if he doesn’t have a good spring, then he won’t deserve to make the team. Montero isn’t going anywhere – he will play up here (some) or all the time in AAA
I’d pay $$ to watch a camera on Hank 24/7.
Even him sleeping would be entertaining .
GB-
Gotta go but if I ever have to leave the good ole USA I’m goin’ to NZ or Aussie.
Love ‘em both.
Later.
The way I look at it is we have no control over Andy Pettitte or the NY Yankees. Whatever will be, will be. It has just as much a chance to work out as not work out. But the Yankees have some promising pitchers who just might be able to help.
I’m not gonna stress it.
And I’m not gonna stress last season at all. It’s over and done with and as imperfect as it turned out to be, all but 2 teams would have given anything to be the Yankees last season.
Doreen, had it all up here since last night….. a little sleet, about 3 inches of snow and then today about 2 hours of sunshine and then some rain. Quite the day for picture taking.
Betsy
I think he is probably going to have a better spring than Martin.
Joe From Long Island-
I did the smart thing this morning.
I slept in and called my office and said I would be late.
I left around 8:30 when I knew the ice had changed to rain. I drove here without any problems at all
Betsy-
I was lucky enough to get transfered to NZ for a year by my job(when I worked).
Got to go.
More another time.
Coke is going to be a starter for Detroit. That should be interesting for the Motor City Kitties
I don’t really understand delayed school openings.
Either open or close them.
One of my friends had to put her kids on the bus so they arrived at 11:15. The kid’s first business of the day was lunch!!!! (I wish my workdays were like that)
Doreen,
It is only 34 degrees where I live. And by the way, it is not much warmer in AZ today and the winds are bad. Somehow it seems colder here in the dry air than in the more humid air back East. That’s probably why people can make it through the Summers here.
Rich, I have no idea – I don’t bother predicting ST. If he does, that’s fine, but it doesn’t change my mind in terms of playing time.
Doreen, I rarely even think of Andy at this point. I don’t think he’s coming back, but then I wouldn’t be shocked. Still, it’s 2 weeks from pitchers and catchers, so when exactly is he going to make up his mind?
Betsy
To be fair Martin has been in a 2 year slump.
Erica -
First, good thinking this morning!
Second,
Delayed opening count as a full school day on the calendar. When there’s a snow day, they have to add a day to the end of the year, depending on how many snow days were “built in” at the start of the year.
SJ
Even with Martins defense I don’t think he should continue starting if he puts up a sub 7 OPS
Betsy
I don’t want to change your mind.
He can start if he puts up a .350 on base.
Betsy -
My feeling from the get- go has been he’s not coming back. But I’d be as happy as anyone if he did come back.
I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about it.
Face
I would rather see what Montero has got and make Martin the backup.
JCPD -
I’m sure you had some great photographic opportunities with this weather.
I’ve been snapping some pictures of my trees in my back/front yards each storm.
I would give Martin until June 1st.
If below 700 sink or swim with Jesus as the primary guy. Martin backup and d replacement.
I don’t think Montero should catch 100 games, but if Montero ends up around 70 or 80, I’d be fine with it.
I’d start catching Posada more and using Montero/Posada as DH/C tandem, with martin as defensive replacement if Martin truly is butts.
Doreen, yep…….that’s my thought. I think he’s working out because he can’t quite say “no”, knowing that once he says that, there’s no turning back this year. I think his lack of an answer is his answer
Face
Forgot about Po. Yeah that works because Montero is still playing almost everyday.
Good move, erica
Montero will be broken in the same way as Posada was. Regardless of who the “everyday” catcher ends up being, Montero will not get the lion’s share of starts (even if he’s hitting better than anyone else). there’s just too much to learn at the ML level for a catcher. It’s not just the hitting; it’s not just the “catching.” It’s having to learn all of his own pitchers and every hitter in the league (even if the pitches are called from the dugout).
All of this Montero hype bothers me.
While its nice to see everyone so excited to see a rookie, what if the guy doesn’t set the world on fire in his first game?
How quick will people turn on him and declare him “garbage”
Montero will be broken in the same way as Posada was.
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I agree, Doreen, except for one caveat. I think if Montero proves to be a dominant bat from the beginning, he will collect PA’s from more than just catching starts. You’ll see things like Posada getting shifted to catcher so Montero can DH, or Posada sitting and Montero DHing.
Being able to handle a veteran pitching staff, gamecalling, and defense trumps offense right now for Montero.
Until he’s comfortable doing it, he’s not going to be the primary catcher.
This is an instance where more AAA time can be beneficial to a 20 year old catcher.
How quick will people turn on him and declare him “garbage”
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Some peopel on here? Pretty quick I’d think, they’d be wailing about not trading him for whoever.
How quick will people turn on him and declare him “garbage”
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Probably after his first at bat if he doesn’t get a hit. If it’s a K, all hope is lost.
Jerkface -
I’d agree that could happen. He’d get more PA as DH, but he won’t catch any more games than they’ve predetermined.
Thats why its a good thing that Cashman also doesn’t pose as a Lohud poster. Team would be ran in the ground in a week.
OK just as long as Hal remains in charge!
As far as breaking Montero in, will it be a problem trying to get both him and Martin used to the pitchers in ST? Or are there enough split squad games that it wont matter? And would they have each catcher focus on a few pitchers, or mix it up?
We just got straight snow, actually it is still coming down. Too cold for ice, thank goodness.
“Montero will be broken in the same way as Posada was.”
Posada was brought along too slowly.
“All of this Montero hype bothers me.”
There is almost negative hype in terms of his catching ability.
People will need to give Montero time to adjust to ML pitching.
Even The Mick had trouble when he came up, it happens to almost everyone.
Rich in NJ -
What?
Doreen
http://www.pinstripedbible.com.....mythology/
The Yankees sacrificed a great deal of production and several wins to their hesitance to trust Posada. By the time they finally did, he was 28 years old, with the great rising to his peak years spent learning by sitting. This was emphatically not a success. Had Posada played more often, the Yankees might have had to deal with a few more passed balls and a few more stolen bases, and they would have had to live through a veteran staff’s complaining about a kid’s ability to call a game, which happens with almost every young catcher, regardless of time, place, or team. They would have gotten through the so-called apprenticeship in months instead of years.
Now the Yankees propose to do the same thing again to Jesus Montero, a catcher whose bat is clearly ready and whose glove may be years away…
Montero’s game calling and handling of pitchers over the last couple of year has been pretty decent. He’s handled a lot of the new wave of pitchers, but, other than a few spring training games, he hasn’t handled the veterans. Those are the impressions that I want to here. Can’t imagine they’ll be publically critical, though. I know that Posada was impressed with him, as was Butch Wynegar. Pena can cram a lot of information into his head in a month and a half.
Anyone name someone who won a job via ST recently?
Rich in NJ -
But Posada wasn’t always a catcher – he came to the position late. Perhaps it had to do with that?
Rich in NJ –
Also, when I think of breaking in Montero, I think in terms of one season, not two.
I didn’t know the timeline with Posada, just the fact that they didn’t throw him into the pool, so to speak.
I don’t want them to throw Montero into the pool.
Montero’s also a bit younger than Posada was to begin with, so …
He played C as far back as ’91, Doreen
http://www.thebaseballcube.com.....rge-Posada
The issue is offense/defense will Montero help the team w/o affecting his development. If the answer is yes, play him now.
Hank can have the office but he shouldn’t be allowed to speak to the press or interfere with the running of the baseball club.
Anyone name someone who won a job via ST recently?
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Brett Gardner , Phil Hughes?
This will be the 3rd spring training that Montero will be under the tutorage of Tony Pena and his tough catching drills. Born 1/28/89.
Rich in NJ -
I just finished reading the article you linked in your first post (pinstriped bible). It’s really interesting. So the ideal would be to move it along just a bit quicker than with Posada. But, with Girardi being the manager, I don’t see it. Unless something unforeseen happens, why would Girardi mess with something that is perceived to have been a success? the Yankees DID win during those years; the only one who may have been hurt by that scenario is Posada (his overall offensive numbers may have been even better than they are). The team may have one a couple of more games or scored a few more runs, but overall, how much real difference did it make?
With Montero being so young, they’re not going to go much quicker.
Doreen
I don’t think Girardi will be making the decision.
That’s post hoc analysis.
You can’t look at wins in a vacuum, you also have to look at opportunity costs.
The overarching point is to put the best team on the field because you never know what event, foreseeable or unforeseeable, will require.
Let’s not assume that Montero’s age will make him worse than the alternatives.
Of course, they can be myopic, if they wish.
Jerkface,
Did they impress in ST?
Sadly I can’t remember. Hopeful to have a monster standout this ST.
Can’t wait to see if GGBG gets more confident stealing !
Rich is correct. The Yankees brough Posada along far too slowly. He was much better than Girardi for 2 years (or so). He was even better defensively as he out threw him every year. In fact one year Posada was near the top and Girardi was near the bottom. Let alone the huge hitting advantage he had over Girardi. Torre did a terrible job staying with the much weaker veteran. I used to get really upset over the situation; Posada was far better.
In case you missed some of the Yankee moves since October:
http://www.mlbdepthcharts.com/.....s-and.html
Rich in NJ -
In 1991 and 1992, clearly Jorge was learning the position. I wouldn’t consider him a catcher until 1993.
Girardi won’t be making the decision but he will have input regarding the decision, no?
Post hoc analysis? Isn’t that what’s happening when you say the Yankees could have done better with Posada catching more?
Either way, no one really knows what could have been had things been done differently. It’s all speculative.
But, I will say that I hope that look singularly at Montero as its own set of circumstances. I don’t think breaking a catcher in slowly is a bad thing or detrimental. And I don’t know how slow would be slow enough or too slow or not slow enough, for that matter. I do know it’s one of the more complex positions to play in baseball.
test
So, let’s wait and see how Montero actually does, anyway.
Doreen
OK, that’s still enough time in the context we’re talking about.
IDK, maybe it will be Randy Levine. More seriously, it will probably be an organizational decision, which worries me.
But that wasn’t my original point. The point was to learn from the Posada experience.That’s different than saying that they won enough to justify what they did.
Again, I’m talking about playing him 60 games after some terrible offense/defense by Cervelli and Posada in decline. Martin gives them cover to do that.
Maybe, maybe Girardi will be different than Torre. Torre seemed to be most cautious with the unknown in most circumstances, no? Girardi seems to be a little more flexibile?
I once spent several days in Cairns at an international meeting. It’s a small city. It feels tourests — a little like Miami Beach. I also was in Darwin, on the way the rain forest in Kakadu National Park. Darwin was virtually destroyed by a storm around 30 or 40 years ago. It has been rebuilt with much sturdier buildings. I don’t think Darwin will have a big problem, unless the storm somehow circles around and hits Darwin from the northeast.
I’m most worried about the islands in the Great Barrier Reef. My wife and I spent 3 days at a wonderful resort on Lizard Island. I would expect the storm to do a lot of damage to these islands.
GB,
Looking at that link, the Yankees actually made a lot of moves. It didn’t seem like they had to me.
Doreen
I would rather have you make decisions than Torre. Seriously.
It’s more than just hitting and throwing.
Handle a major league pitching staff, especially a veteran staff, is vital.
Pitchers loved throwing to Girardi and they were in the middle of a Dynasty run.
Very tough to throw a young guy into that mix. It time.
It won’t take Montero as long as Posada.
If folks though think he’s catching the bulk of the games this year, they will be disappointed.
Yankees 1st whole workout day is a sunday, if the stadium is open ill be able to goo. So excited, ill try to get some scoop while I’m there. I really hope the stadium is open cause its the only day ill make it since I’m going to Rays fanfest the 19th.