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Non-Pettitte news and notes

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 04, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Assuming I’ve done some fairly simple math correctly, I have 8,975 words of transcribed quotes from today’s press conference. I’ve been sorting through that most of the day, but believe it or not, there have actually been things going on in the non-Andy Pettitte baseball world, including some Yankees news.

• According to good buddy Sweeny Murti, the Yankees have signed Ronnie Belliard and Eric Chavez to minor league deals. Considering the Yankees have a wide-open spot on their bench, those two could be legitimate candidates for the Opening Day roster.

• Ken Rosenthal says the Yankees have at least discussed attempting a trade for a left-handed starting pitcher. Rosenthal mentioned Joe Saunders, Scott Kazmir, Wade LeBlanc, Clayton Richard and Gio Gonzalez as potential targets. Not sure why Oakland would trade Gonzalez, but to me, he’s probably the name that stands out most.

Robinson Cano has reportedly switched agents and will now be represented by Scott Boras.

Vladimir Guerrero apparently got his $8 million. He’s settled on a one-year deal with the Orioles.

The Rangers might or might not be working toward trading Michael Young to Colorado.

•  Turns out Jim Edmonds is not retiring. He’s heading back to St. Louis on a minor league deal. Another outfielder, Gabe Gross, has landed a minor league deal with the Mariners.

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201 Responses to “Non-Pettitte news and notes”

  1. Nick in SF February 4th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    Gio is intriguing. It’s something to monitor.

    Ooops.

  2. DocTodd February 4th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    The average age of the AAA Yankees may actually be greater than that of the big league team if these signings continue!

  3. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Nick in SF February 4th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    Gio is intriguing. It’s something to monitor.
    +++++++++++
    He’s a bum….not worth it.

  4. Nick in SF February 4th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Not worth Montero, no.

  5. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    He can’t even spell his whole first name…how smart can he be?

  6. DocTodd February 4th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Isn’t that the name of a car?? Gio Metro??

  7. Nick in SF February 4th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    I find fault with you “we can always sign Montero when he’s 26″ reasoning.

    We don’t know that. He might be extended by either the A’s or more likely the team Beane spins him off to.

    And if he’s worth signing at 26, he’s probably even more valuable during his cost-controlled years.

  8. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    We’ll continue this tomorrow Nick (if you like)…Bring this up again then…Good night and pleasant dreams.

  9. ac1 February 4th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    yankees really stocking up on players to send to the minors.

  10. LGY February 4th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    “Isn’t that the name of a car?? Gio Metro??”

    ——————–

    A wise man once told me that the higher quality the car a woman shares a name with, the higher quality the lady.

    I suspect the same logic can be applied to baseball players.

  11. MoRings42 February 4th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    washed up players…

  12. Jerkface February 4th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    suppose that Po has a very good year at DH and he enjoys DHing does this effect Montero in 2012

    some very nice young catchers in the majors right now…..Posey,Santana,M Montero,Wieters & Arencibia….doesn’t look like J Montero will be here in 11 but here’s to 12

    If Po has a good year and DH it only affects Montero if Montero is a worse hitter than Posada. If Montero is an awesome hitter, or shows the PROMISE of being one, then why would they re-sign Posada? If they did it would be for a role that doesn’t eliminate PA’s for Montero. Literally the only way Posada being re-signed affects Montero is if Montero is bad enough to warrant it. Its all up to Jesus.

    And as for your list, Santana is not a good defensive catcher and neither is Arencibia, though both are good bats. And both are 4 years older than Jesus. Montero is above average for a catcher with the bat and good defense, and Posey is an all-star. Wieters has yet to live up to his hype.

    The scary thing about Jesus is that has a better bat tool than all of these guys and is younger to boot. He could end up providing the same defense as JP or Santana.

  13. Patrick February 4th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Gio is intriguing. It’s something to monitor.

    Ooops.

    Are we still monitoring Jeter’s ground ball rate?

  14. Crawdaddy February 4th, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    These minor league deals might contain language that allows the player to opt out if he doesn’t make the major league roster so let’s not assume all of these guys are heading to SWB quite yet.

  15. Jerkface February 4th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Are we still monitoring Jeter’s ground ball rate?

    I had to turn the monitors off in disgust.

  16. Erica in NY February 4th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    It just occured to me the real reason that Andy Pettitte retired….

    He was upset that Johnny Damon isn’t coming back to the Yankees!

  17. Patrick February 4th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    The sad thing is, both guys would outhit Pena or Golson. Only problem is lack of defensive versatility

  18. Erica in NY February 4th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Good night Yankee people!!!!

    (I’ll be at my desk at work in 8 hours when you come to realize I am right about my 11:03 statement and wish to discuss)

  19. UnKnown February 5th, 2011 at 12:10 am

    Anyone know what Chavez has been up to the last few season?

  20. West Coast Yankee Fan February 5th, 2011 at 12:13 am

    It’s unknown.

  21. UnKnown February 5th, 2011 at 12:14 am

    That’s pretty good WCYF

  22. West Coast Yankee Fan February 5th, 2011 at 12:23 am

    Sorry just kidding! Chavez has had serious injury problems. He has only played in 64 games the last 3 years with a total of 3 home runs and 25 RBI’s.

  23. SAS February 5th, 2011 at 12:32 am

    There are people left here tonight.

  24. tyanksfan36 February 5th, 2011 at 12:45 am

    Finally watched the rest of the Pettitte press conference. I had to go to work 20 minutes into it. I loved where he called out Brian Costello for coming to his house. Too funny. Ill miss seeing him pitch but I’m glad he was able to go out on a high note.

  25. SAS February 5th, 2011 at 12:55 am

    tyanks,

    Me too.

    Have a good night.

  26. tyanksfan36 February 5th, 2011 at 1:00 am

    Goodnight SAS hope the weather is friendly to you.

  27. Triple Short of a Cycle February 5th, 2011 at 1:06 am

    So Cano is now a Boras guy. Can’t wait to see how much he will want. 20 million for 8 years?

  28. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2011 at 1:08 am

    I’m about to go to sleep, but saw the query about Chavez. Here is an interesting story on him from the SF Chronicle. Be well, all. Good night.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....y_id=82472

  29. Jerkface February 5th, 2011 at 2:51 am

    So Cano is now a Boras guy. Can’t wait to see how much he will want. 20 million for 8 years?

    -

    We’ll see how he is playing in 3 years and then the Yankees can decide on the 20 mil or not.

  30. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 2:57 am

    I wonder what A-Rod has told Cano about Boras.

  31. BIG AL February 5th, 2011 at 6:18 am

    Good morning morning people. Or those that don’t sleep.

  32. Chuck58 February 5th, 2011 at 6:37 am

    Good morning, Al.

  33. BIG AL February 5th, 2011 at 6:54 am

    Thought I was the only one up.

    I can see the low risk, high reward in signing these guys, but, I still believe we have better in SWB ready to contribute, and we don’t need has-beens that are nothing but walking wounded.

  34. BIG AL February 5th, 2011 at 6:56 am

    Sorry Chuck, I didn’t hit refresh, and took too long getting back.

  35. BIG AL February 5th, 2011 at 7:07 am

    OK – Catch you later.

  36. Doreen February 5th, 2011 at 7:20 am

    Good morning, morning people.

    :)

    It feels much earlier than 7:18 am. :(

  37. Doreen February 5th, 2011 at 7:22 am

    Big Al -

    It strikes me that perhaps the Yankees are putting back-up possibilities in place in case of trade? Not saying a trade is imminent.

  38. Erica in NY February 5th, 2011 at 7:26 am

    Good morning, morning people

    Live from my desk at work.. woohoo!

  39. Doreen February 5th, 2011 at 7:30 am

    Good morning, Erica -

    Sorry you have to be at work so early. Bad enough it’s Saturday.

    So, people were barking up the wrong tree – it’s wasn’t Lee, it was Damon who decided Pettitte’s fate? :)

  40. Gary February 5th, 2011 at 7:34 am

    Morning gang, waiting for the kids/grandkids to arrive from the frigid north for a 10 day visit. :-)

  41. Doreen February 5th, 2011 at 7:38 am

    Gary -

    That sounds like fun!

  42. MaineYankee February 5th, 2011 at 7:41 am

    Erica in NY February 4th, 2011 at 11:03 pm
    It just occured to me the real reason that Andy Pettitte retired….

    He was upset that Johnny Damon isn’t coming back to the Yankees!

    ———————————————————————————–

    So we can blame Damon because he was too greedy last year.

    If he had signed that 2 year contract Andy would be pitching this year.

    :evil: thanks Damon.

  43. Gary February 5th, 2011 at 7:43 am

    Hi Doreen they were anxious to beat their sneaks out of NY. Wonder why?

  44. Erica in NY February 5th, 2011 at 7:45 am

    Doreen-

    I didn’t “have” to be here so early. But I am usually out around 12 on Saturdays so I tend to come here earlier. And for some reason I find it much easier to be here at 7am on a Saturday than Monday-Friday.

    Anyway……

    Am I supposed to believe its a coincedence that Andy months of indecision, Andy Pettitte notified all of his retirement just after Johnny Damon had his Tampa Bay press conference? Andy saw there was no hope he would be playing with Johnny again and decided to throw in the towel rather than face a Damon-less team.

    (P.S. I am wearing my Uggs :-) )

  45. Doreen February 5th, 2011 at 7:51 am

    Gary -

    I have no idea why they’d want to leave NY!

  46. Gary February 5th, 2011 at 7:51 am

    68 here already our way to 77. Guess we will take it. The last 5 days of 80′s were really nice. :-)

    I see there are again rumors out there about the Yanks getting another Starting Pitcher.

  47. upstate kate February 5th, 2011 at 7:53 am

    good morning all

    Erica
    that is an interesting spin!

  48. Gary February 5th, 2011 at 7:53 am

    Doreen fun watching the flights online on flight tracker, they are almost out of Pa and can feel I expect the heat already. The little ones are 2 and 4 they are just water rats when they are down here.

  49. Doreen February 5th, 2011 at 7:58 am

    Erica -

    You make a good case. :)

    It’s a good day for Uggs.

  50. Doreen February 5th, 2011 at 8:05 am

    Gary -

    I LOVE flight tracker!

    My husband had a trip to Las Vegas recently and we tracked his flight all the way home – it kind of makes the trip more real, and it goes a little faster knowing where exactly in space a person is. Does that make sense?

    My folks live in Florida full time now and we visited over the summer. You walk from their living room to the pool. We spent the week in bathing suits (except to go out to eat). No need for anything else.

    I can imagine the squeal of delight from your grandkids as they splash into the water!

  51. upstate kate February 5th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Have a great time w/ your family Gary. We used to go down to visit my parents for spring break every year when my son was young.

  52. Bronx Jeers February 5th, 2011 at 8:14 am

    Eric Chavez huh? He was on his way to super stardom before his body betrayed him. Mostly his back if I recall.

    An elite defender with 30 HR power playing in a canyon of a park. He’s not even old.

    Between him and Jones? That’s a lot of Gold Gloves coming to camp.

  53. upstate kate February 5th, 2011 at 8:18 am

    it will be interesting to see who makes the trip north

  54. tyanksfan36 February 5th, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Despite feeling the effects of the 16oz margarita I drank last night, I am wide awake. The worst thing about waking up early every day of the week is it transfers to the weekends too. Thank God I wake up at 8 though and not 6.

    I know last night I started something when I said the parent said our rotation is awful and someone agreed with it. I think if you think the rotation is awful then you can, we all have different feelings about things. I hate liver but everyone in my family loves it. We don’t hold it against eachother.
    I laughed it off when the parent was where I work was saying they’re awful. If I let it get to me then he knows it bothers me, if I go with it and laugh it off. If he thinks I feel the same way then he won’t be able to rile me up and it will take the fun out of it. Besides, it will be more fun when the Rays are in 3rd place at the end of the season like he said the Yankees will be.

  55. tyanksfan36 February 5th, 2011 at 8:24 am

    Gary

    How fun that your family can come down here and escape the yucky weather up north. Thank goodness for the south. My Dad is flying up to Oklahoma for 2 weeks so he has been out buying warm clothes.

  56. upstate kate February 5th, 2011 at 8:27 am

    good morning tyanks :)
    I am not thrilled w/ the rotation, but I am not losing sleep over it either. Too many variables over 162 games to worry in Feb!

  57. Bronx Jeers February 5th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    I hate waking up late on days off. Free time mustn’t be wasted lying in bed!

    I drive my wife crazy on vacations. Our schedules do not vibe.

  58. tyanksfan36 February 5th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Kate

    Same here, I think our lineup is good enough to back up almost any starter. Having pitching woes makes me happy we have such a great set of position players and DH. I think many teams would wish they had the guys we have.

  59. Erica in NY February 5th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Bronx Jeers-

    Are you the type that needs to schedule every minute of vacation to maximize your time away?

  60. Doreen February 5th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Bronx Jeers -

    You sound like my husband. I had to adjust to his vacation schedule and to be honest, it works out better for us. But it took a while for me to get to that realization. :)

  61. MTU February 5th, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Good morning folks.

    Are we there yet ?

    Is it soup ?

    :)

  62. upstate kate February 5th, 2011 at 8:44 am

    Jeers
    I am the same way. I am a morning person and feel like I have wasted the day if I sleep in. We usually get up early on vacation too b/c we like to pack it in.

  63. Drive 4-6 February 5th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    Man, with Vlad signing with the O’s, the AL East is becoming like the Big East is in basketball. Every team in the division is capable of having a winning record. Can we move that playoff expansion up a year?:)

  64. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Good morning morning folks…

    I think I owe an answer to Nick in SF, so please indulge me for a moment while I respond to a conversation from last night.

    _____________________
    Nick in SF February 4th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    I find fault with you “we can always sign Montero when he’s 26? reasoning.

    We don’t know that. He might be extended by either the A’s or more likely the team Beane spins him off to.

    And if he’s worth signing at 26, he’s probably even more valuable during his cost-controlled years.
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    The way I look at it is this:
    He probably will become a Boras client (based on influence from ARod, Cano, Tex, and others). Therefore, he avoids giving up any FA time.
    2011–he comes up after 2 months
    2012 thru 2016–Owned by team and goes thru arbitration
    Summer of 2107–He gets traded for a 3 month rental, and becomes a FA for 2018 at age 28.

    So, based on my assumption that Boras will acquire him as a client, I suspect he will go to FA.

    Your second point is totally valid. Of course he is worth more when he is cheaper.

    But I come back to the second point I made in the post you responded to:

    “If the talks about Cashman trying to trade Montero to acquire Soria are true, then you cna bet he would do a deal for Gio. Soria’s WAR values fluctuate between 2.7 and 3.8, and Gio hit 4.3 last year. Get used to it…Cashman may in fact trade Montero for a player like Gio if he can.”

    My overall point is that I don’t believe Cashman considers Montero to be untouchable or even would hold him back in trades many of us would hold him back from. I am suggesting we get used to the possibility that he may soon be traded.

  65. 108 stitches February 5th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Doreen February 5th, 2011 at 7:22 am
    Big Al -

    It strikes me that perhaps the Yankees are putting back-up possibilities in place in case of trade? Not saying a trade is imminent.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Doreen:

    Hopefully you’re right. As we know, the sense of need comes in the way of at least one proven starter. Nothing against the high rising arms in the system but they’re better served with a full year at AAA and / or get ready to be moved up.
    There’s dispensable players to be used to get a deal done.

  66. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 8:56 am

    108 stitches February 5th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    There’s dispensable players to be used to get a deal done.
    +++++++++++++++
    I would hope Cashman could do a deal without giving up Montero…but not sure if it will happen.

  67. tyanksfan36 February 5th, 2011 at 8:56 am

    I’m the total opposite. I’m a night owl. If I go to bed early I feel like I’m missing out. When I wake up early on my days off I just sit around for hours not doing anything.

  68. Fran the original February 5th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Good morning everyone. Sorry I’m late :)

    Gary, enjoy your family’s visit.

    Cashman cknowledged yesterday that he knows the starting rotation needs work. He’s just not sure how it will fill out yet. IMO Nova can be the #5 starter. That still leaves a need for a #4.

  69. MTU February 5th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    There has to be something out there worth the cost of trading for first.

    I would rather just see what we have and make adjustments later.

    Or if this happens to be a transition year then so be it. Let’s find out
    more about what we have.

    If something presents itself great but I’m not expecting anything, and I wouldn’t get fleeced. We’ve come this far. Why blow the farm up now ?

    Should be an interesting season. Full of all sorts of surprises.

  70. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    MTU February 5th, 2011 at 9:01 am
    +++++++++++
    Agreed

  71. upstate kate February 5th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    I don’t think Montero is untouchable, but he is worth more than Gio Gonzalez

  72. Gary February 5th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Hi Fran I worry as much about #3 as I do #4 and #5, until AJ shows that he can be the consistent pitcher we need the jury is still out on him.

  73. Gary February 5th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    upstate kate February 5th, 2011 at 9:02 am
    I don’t think Montero is untouchable, but he is worth more than Gio Gonzalez

    _____________________________________________________________________

    Kate for sure on that one, but if someone makes a offer with a top pitcher included (one wonders how that happens unless the guy is going to bolt to FA) I think they would move him.

  74. Fran the original February 5th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Gary, I just have to believe that AJ will be better this season. Maybe the new pitching coach will be the key. And if AJ did have personal issues last season, hopefully they are resolved and that will help.

  75. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    I was in a couple of discussions yesterday, and one person was kind enough to provide some data to counter a point I was trying to make. I want to respond to it because htey went to so much trouble.

    I made the point that I think the post steroid era will have more small ball, and therefore the defensive role at C will be more important than it was during the steroid years, and how Jorge was able to be efffective because clubs were not looking to run as much.

    The poster put up numbers that showed only a slight increase in SBs as an average across the league.

    Personally, I never believe league averages or macro numbers in general are the best way to evaluate a changing trend. The slow adapters tend to hold down the numbers and hide the shift. My point at the time was that a better way to look at it would be to examine only the clubs that are direct threats to the Yankees and see what they are doing.

    For example, in 2010 the Rays stole 172 bases (way above average), the Chisox stole 168, and in 2011 the Red Sox could steal close to or over 200. When faced with this renewed offensive threat, the Yankees have been shown to be ill-prepared, and singles and walks turn into doubles and triples, with double steals and suicide squeezes putting more pressure on the team and rattling the pitchers.

    The point I was getting to is that the Yankees need a strong defensive catcher (and more effort by pitchers) to stop the running game, and that Montero might not be up to the task.

    Add to that my preference for as many LH Sp as possible to better hold runners on, and it is a main reason why I brought up the names Gio Gonzales and Johan Santana as key trade targets for this year.

    My wish would be that our October roster has a SP staff of CC, Santana, Gio, Hughe, and AJ, and that if we could move AJ, our 2012 staff would be CC, Santan, Gio, Hughes, and Banuelos. I really believe strong LH SP, coupled with strong C defense and overall defense, will be a strategic advantage in AL East and play-offs.

  76. Gary February 5th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Fran the original February 5th, 2011 at 9:08 am
    Gary, I just have to believe that AJ will be better this season. Maybe the new pitching coach will be the key. And if AJ did have personal issues last season, hopefully they are resolved and that will help.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    Hope so it’s a key component of any success we expect to have. Can’t afford a repeat of last year. The SP has to at least keep the team in the game and aviod those early big innings where deficit becomes too great.

  77. MTU February 5th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    I hope people are not getting their hopes too high on AJ ?

    Improvement is possible IMO but he isn’t going to morph into Cy Young anytime soon.

    I wouldn’t trade Montero for anyone other than a stud pitcher, and there aren’t any of them available at this time.

    Got to run. catch you all later. have a good day.

  78. Gary February 5th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    Lost in alot of these discussions will be can Jeter bounce back from last year? Derek hasn’t been the player that you expect to hit into DP’s, strikeout, not get runners advanced or scored with less than two outs. Derek is a hugh component of the Yanks offense and success. We need him to get back to the player he was before last year.

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