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Pettitte’s retirement decision, step by step

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By the end of this morning’s press conference, Andy Pettitte had given a rough step-by-step account of how and when he came to this decision. Some of the dates are definite — Pettitte remembered the exact day that he told Brian Cashman he was seriously considering a comeback — and others are approximate, but the rough idea was laid out through a series of questions and answers.

July 18, 2010
The Yankees were home against the Rays, just a few days after the all-star break when Pettitte went down with a groin injury.

“I really believe in my heart, a lot of this started last year when I hurt myself,” Pettitte said. “I feel like, in my heart, that God was preparing me for this,” Pettitte said. “When I hurt my groin, I was just out of control as far as, I’ll be back in two weeks, I can promise you that. I’ll be back in two weeks, three weeks maybe. I was feeling unbelievable and I thought I had a great chance to do that. And then I re-injured it. Then I felt like I maybe re-injured it again. The next thing you know, it’s two and a half months, and the last month of that I wasn’t doing anything really.”

August and September, 2011
“I’m telling you, at the end of the season last year, I started losing a little bit of that desire to compete,” Pettitte said. “I guess because I was out of it for the two and a half months of the second half. So, I definitely thought about it. but again, for me it’s not the right way to do it. that’s all that I kept telling myself. this in’t the right way to do it.

October 7, 2010
When Pettitte made his first postseason start of the year having pitched only 13.1 big league innings in roughly three months.

“I was shut down for two and a half months,” he said. “And I feel like mentally I was still able to go out in the postseason and compete like I did.”

The lasting impact, Pettitte said, was that he realized he could mentally prepare himself after physically not doing much. That’s how he knew he could have a light winter and still be mentally ready to pitch if he changed his mind about retirement.

October 18, 2010
“When I left Arlington stadium at the end of the season last year, I felt like I was done,” Pettitte said.

“He told me after we played the Rangers in the playoffs that he felt like that was it,” Laura Pettitte said.

“He told me in Arlington, ‘Don’t count on me,’” Cashman said.

Month of November, 2010
“He didn’t do anything for the first couple of months of the offseason,” Laura said.

It’s not especially unusual for a player to take some time off when the offseason starts, but the situation was unusual for Pettitte.

“As banged up as my groin was, if I was planning on playing I would have immediately needed to start rehabbing as soon as the season was over,” he said. “I didn’t do anything.”

December 14, 2010
Cliff Lee signed with the Phillies and Pettitte felt a “huge obligation” to come to the rescue.

“That was why I started working out,” he said.

January 9, 2011
Pettitte remembered this as one of the days he called Cashman. “I told him, I’ll seriously start considering this,” Pettitte said.

It was around this time that Laura told him to “make sure” he was done. “When she tells me that, I have to seriously start considering it,” Pettitte said. He ramped up his workouts and began going through more-or-less his regular offseason routine. The work was familiar. The feeling was not.

“I know exactly what it feels like to be here,” he said. “And it just didn’t feel right for me any more. I didn’t have the hunger, the drive that I felt like I needed. I don’t know how to explain it, but I just knew it was different.”

Mid-January, 2011
“Two weeks ago I told (Laura) I was playing,” Pettitte said. “I said, ‘I’m just going to play.’ I can torture myself. I’ll get through it.”

Although reluctant, Pettitte went so far as to come up with a plan to hire a professional cameraman to record video of his kids’ baseball, tee-ball and volleyball games so he could watch the tapes in New York.

Middle of last week
Shortly after the “I’m just going to play” announcement, Pettitte became such a grouch around the house that Laura told him to get away and go to his ranch in south Texas.

“After I worked out, I made a run down to my ranch,” Pettitte said. “It’s like a four-hour drive, and I came back the very next morning. It gave me like eight to 10 hours to be in the vehicle by myself. She was like, get out of here and go figure this out. Really, (that) is exactly what she said. I’m not in a very bad mood very often, at all, and I was starting to get a little irritable, I think, and was not being very nice. So she basically booted me and said, go figure this out.”

Alone at his ranch — “Nobody’s there, nobody’s around” — Pettitte had one last wrestling match with his desire to pitch one more season.

“When I dig deep down in it and did some soul-searching, I don’t know how to explain it, (but) it wasn’t there,” Pettitte said. “It just wasn’t there like I wanted it to be there.”

Last weekend
Just a few days after Pettitte’s solo trip to the ranch — Pettitte said it was about four-days later — he and Laura went down to the ranch together.

“We were actually, last weekend, on our way home from the ranch and he just said, ‘I’m done. That’s it.’” Laura said. “He wanted to make a decision by this past week, and he did. That’s one thing, when he sets his mind to something, he’s pretty sure of it.”

February 1, 2011
Pettitte called Cashman to tell the GM his decision.

“Tuesday night he came to a conclusion that he had a final (decision),” Cashman said. “He had told me that he wasn’t going to play.”

February 3, 2011
Pettitte had already talked to the Core Four, making sure they heard the retirement news straight from Pettitte himself. On Thursday, though, the news went public and Pettitte’s phone buzzed with text messages. One of them was from Tino Martinez.

“Tino said, Andy, if there was any hesitation at all, you’re making the right decision,” Pettitte said. “To me, that was huge. It verified for me, because he said he had played a year too long.”

Today
“The only time I get emotional is when I think about the guys, you know what I’m saying?” Pettitte said. “I don’t know why. The only thing I can tell you is, because I feel like God has given me a great peace about it, I feel like it’s the right thing. I wouldn’t be doing this if I didn’t feel it was the right thing in my heart.

“And everybody keeps asking me, are you done? Are you sure you’re done? And yeah, I do. I feel right now like I’m done. I don’t feel like I’m tore up. Am I gonna miss it? I am gonna miss it. Am I said? I’m sad, you know. When I walked into this tunnel and walked into the clubhouse and looked around, that’s sad. But when you feel like it’s the right decision you’ve got to feel good about that. And I feel good about it.”

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95 Responses to “Pettitte’s retirement decision, step by step”

  1. Betsy February 4th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    At this point, I just want to move on……if I dwell on it, it will get depressing

  2. joeman February 4th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    tell me anything about Gary Sanchez

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......d=13096723

  3. Bronx Jeers February 4th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Nice blow-by-blow Chad. I think it’s useful for some of us that are trying to get a handle on this.

  4. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    I am not going to dredge up the Gio discussion again, but want to discuss why I think Montero is far from untouchable. There are several points:

    1) Personally, I hope he does great, but I have seen this prospect build-up before–Bam Bam Muelens, Rueben Rivera, Jackson Melian, Drew Henson, Etc. There is no such thing as a sure thing prospect.
    2) He could flop for reasons totally unrelated to his hitting ability, such as gaining weight a la Carlos Baerga, injury, etc.
    3) If he has been dangled for Halladay, Lee, and Soria, that tells me the Yankees don’t consider him untouchable. And frankly, between Gio under contract for a few years at a reasonable salary versus Lee for 3 months rental, I would rather trade Montero for Gio.
    4) I think the role of a strong defensive catcher is going to be more important going forward than in the last decade because the steroid era is being replaced by little ball where teams will run more to put pressure on defenses. I think Posada benefited from playing during the steroid era as he didn’t have to play against many running offenses. When he did, he looked awful. If this becomes more the norm in team offense going forward, the standard for catcher defense will have to go up in order to remain an elite team. I don’t think Montero will ever meet that standard.
    5) Given that Montero is not an elite defensive catcher, he will at best be a back-up in year 1, and a back-up and DH going forward until he moves to 1B. As I said earlier, this significantly undrevalues him versus being a full time catcher. As a 1B or DH, he may hit 300 with 30 HR and 100 RBI and still only be consider slightly above average against his peers at that position. And certainly the Yankees would no longer consider him to be an elite player.
    6) If he is not an elite catcher, and he can be replaced by Martin, Romine, and Sanchez, and can be replaced by FA pick-ups at DH or 1B, there is no reason in the world to hold him back as an untouchable.

    IMO the Yankees don’t truly view him as an elite player, and only talk him up to keep his trade value high. And therefore, the best time to trade him is when other teams would value him as an elite C.

    I would move him for the right statrter, and would expect the Yankees will consider doing so if the ST results don’t satisfy Cashman.

  5. mick February 4th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    No problem with that. I think many would have gone ahead anyway and banked the 12 million. But that’s not Andy. He was always accountable to his team.
    ======================================
    Francesa says Andy’s got the 1st dollar he made in the bank so he’s not hurting for money.
    Besides if they want/need him back badly enough they could still pay him that 12m for 1/2 a season.
    I look at it as a sabbatical or at the very worst we got a lot younger.
    So be it.

  6. mick February 4th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    did chaves sign a miL deal with NYY?

  7. GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    I think that if his wife had told him that she didn’t want him to play again, he wouldn’t play, but, he’d always wonder if it was the right way to walk away. Not knowing him, I’d say that he’s got a complete peace of mind. That’s good enough for me. A great career appreciated by this Yankee fan. He was fun to watch, because although he had the talent….it wasn’t Dwight Gooden blow-away talent, but, he got every ounce of it worn out. That’s all a fan could ask from any player.

  8. joeman February 4th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    GB..your on a roll tonight, your last two post were outstanding

  9. benfica356 February 4th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Yankees.com: Cano now represented by agent Boras http://atmlb.com/hEA6hn

  10. GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    It would be helpful if Gonzalez wasn’t so God-aweful in his first two tries. You don’t give away a Montero on a hunch and a hope that a Gonzalez returns to no clue. There’s also a chance that if Oakland is will ing move him at age 24, something’s up. He ain’t worth Montero. If they want a catcher, send Romine. They’d ask for two of B,B & B, Warren, Phels, Noesi or Nova and a Nunez type. No chance in Hell.

  11. tyanksfan36 February 4th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    I got harassed today by one of the parents at my job. He came in asking how it felt to lose the 3rd starter in the rotation and how awful our rotation is. I just roll with it because I don’t care.

  12. joeman February 4th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    # tyanksfan36 February 4th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    I got harassed today by one of the parents at my job. He came in asking how it felt to lose the 3rd starter in the rotation and how awful our rotation is. I just roll with it because I don’t care.
    ————————————
    spot on though

  13. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    GB7–I don’t know that Oakland is looking to move him except for rumors where his name appears linked to Cashman…I am not Cashman either so I don’t know if he really has talked to them. My point is that it would make sense to pursue if he went after Felix and Josh and was turned down. Gio would be third on my list if I were him.

    As far as what Gio is, I can only say that I have seen him pitch about 12 times over the last 2 years, and am very impressed with his stuff as well as his improvement in that time. I see himas a Jimmy Key type or perhaps Andy Pettitte type….and personally, I place high value on a crafty left hander in YS. If I can get that left under control for a few years before age 25, I would give up a lot of talent to make that happen.

  14. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    # tyanksfan36 February 4th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    I got harassed today by one of the parents at my job. He came in asking how it felt to lose the 3rd starter in the rotation and how awful our rotation is. I just roll with it because I don’t care.
    +++++++++++++++
    You can always reply in return “how does it feel to have a child who is going to fail my class and have to repeat a grade?”

    :-)

  15. GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    gonzalez for the same cost as a Hernandez or Johnson? No chance.

  16. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    That is quite a surprise about Chavez signing with the Yankees. I wonder if he will ever stay healthy enough to contribute….

    If he does, it locks down a role on bench that Nunez would have had.

  17. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    gonzalez for the same cost as a Hernandez or Johnson? No chance.
    +++++++++++++++
    That is not what I said. I said if Cash couldn’t obtain them, then the next guy I would look at is GIo. There’s a difference.

  18. Nick in SF February 4th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    It will be heartbreaking to go through this over and over as our current favorites step aside.

    I’m already getting a little teary-eyed imagining Nick Swisher’s retirement conference call.

  19. GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    tyanksfan36 February 4th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
    I got harassed today by one of the parents at my job. He came in asking how it felt to lose the 3rd starter in the rotation and how awful our rotation is. I just roll with it because I don’t care.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Did he happen to mention losing their 2nd best starter, a major portion of their offense and misplacing an entire bullpen? Or how they’re going to pay for all of those draft picks, or why they keep a disinterested center fielder around?

  20. GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
    GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    gonzalez for the same cost as a Hernandez or Johnson? No chance.
    +++++++++++++++
    That is not what I said. I said if Cash couldn’t obtain them, then the next guy I would look at is GIo. There’s a difference.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    No difference at all if you’re talking about giving up Montero plus.

  21. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    I consider Felix, Josh Johnson, Ubaldo Jimenez, Stephen Strasburg, and perhaps Clayton Kershaw to be elite young pitchers at the highest level (but all untouchable). Right behind them I would pursue Gio because he is a crafty lefty with good stuff and brains and toughness.

  22. GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    If Chavez sticks, it’s more likely to cost Pena his job than Nunez.

  23. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    Obviously we place Montero’s value at different levels. You may be valuing him as a starting catcher. I don’t buy it.

  24. GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    If you’re playing “What If”, I’d take Lester or Danks over Gonzalez.

  25. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    If Chavez sticks, it’s more likely to cost Pena his job than Nunez.
    ++++++++++++++
    Not sure about that. Nunez will have to show he is close defensively to Pena. Girardi loves Pena’s defense.

  26. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    If you’re playing “What If”, I’d take Lester or Danks over Gonzalez.
    +++++++++++
    Sign me up

  27. joeman February 4th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    # GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    If Chavez sticks, it’s more likely to cost Pena his job than Nunez.
    ———————————————
    he won’t make it out of ST without an injury

  28. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    I didn’t mention Lester, Danks, or Wilson because their names were not mentioned as being linked to Cashman.

  29. tyanksfan36 February 4th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    Bojo

    He has a 1 year old so I can’t do that.

    Joeman
    Yeah it was pretty spot on. I said when I go to the game for my birthday ill probably have to save a paycheck just to buy beer so ill be able to get through the game. He said he come find me and heckle me.

    And GB

    I have brought up all that stuff but he finds it funnier to disregard that and make fun of my team but I don’t care, all in good fun.

  30. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    It would bne real nice to see Chavez finally make it back for one healthy year, but I fear his training coach is Nick Johnson.

  31. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    tyanksfan36 February 4th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    Bojo

    He has a 1 year old so I can’t do that.
    +++++++++++++
    You might mention that his child is probably doomed to supporting a losing franchise that will probably move away the first chance they get.

  32. GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    Are you going on the word of some idiot like Law or Callis or on what you’ve seen personally? In as much as the Yankee brass seems to be pleased with his defensive growth as is Posada, I’m more inclined to go with their thoughts along with what I’ve seen over two biased clowns that are more concerned with the Yankees rebuilding their farm than in being honesy with the evaluations.

  33. GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
    I didn’t mention Lester, Danks, or Wilson because their names were not mentioned as being linked to Cashman.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Neither was Jimenez, Strasburg or Kershaw. They’re about as available as gonzalez.

  34. LGY February 4th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    4) I think the role of a strong defensive catcher is going to be more important going forward than in the last decade because the steroid era is being replaced by little ball where teams will run more to put pressure on defenses. I think Posada benefited from playing during the steroid era as he didn’t have to play against many running offenses. When he did, he looked awful. If this becomes more the norm in team offense going forward, the standard for catcher defense will have to go up in order to remain an elite team. I don’t think Montero will ever meet that standard.

    ———————————————

    AL Stolen Base Per Team Average

    10: 108
    09: 110
    08: 94
    07: 97
    06: 89
    05: 87
    04: 90
    03: 91
    02: 88
    01: 118
    00: 93

    You are only talking about 20 more SB per team or 0.13 more per game.

  35. 108 stitches February 4th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    Position players are not a priority for the Yankees. Two proven starters were needed and the market has dried up. The only way now is through the trade route or certain young arms that will pitch beyond expectations.

  36. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    I don’t trust Law or Callis. But I am not exactly trusting of Yankee reports on their prospects either…Seen too much over-hyping to positino a player for a trade.

    As I mentioned above, I also believe the standard for a defensive catcher is rising in the post-steroid era, and having just a so-so defender won’t cut it for an elite team.

  37. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
    I didn’t mention Lester, Danks, or Wilson because their names were not mentioned as being linked to Cashman.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Neither was Jimenez, Strasburg or Kershaw. They’re about as available as gonzalez.
    +++++++++++++++
    I have no idea about their availability. Again, just going by what is being reported as a possible trade.

  38. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 4th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Spot on? Only if you’re a coward. I wouldn’t necessarily call CC, Hughes and AJ for starters an “awful rotation.” Neither would I call having Mitre, Nova, Colon, Garcia and Prior in the wings an “awful rotation.”

    I would call it a rotation with some real potential.

  39. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    LGY–Thanks for providing some stats, but it would be more telling to just give the averages for the top 12 teams that truly present a challenge to the Yankees in their play-off quest. For example, are the Rangers, Rays, and Angels putting more emphasis on the running game over the last decade?

    The overall average hides the answer as there may still be teams dragging down the averages.

  40. pat February 4th, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    YankeesPR RT @YESNetwork: For anyone who missed it, here is the entire Andy Pettitte Press Conference at YESNetwork.com: http://bit.ly/hP8saz

  41. Doreen February 4th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    Nick in SF -

    I think the remaining members of the Core Four look at today and say – NO WAY am I retiring this way!

    :)

    My husband said, “Way to much detail!”

    By the time Francessa had interviewed him, Pettitte looked (and sounded) exhausted. I think the next three will make it known well in advance that they are done. No special press conferences. Just walk into the sunset. :lol:

  42. GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    When was the last time that you saw Montero catch more than one game?

    As far as catching base stealers, neither Martin, Montero or Ivan Rodriguez are going to throw out runners when the pitchers won’t or can’t hold runners closer.

  43. joeman February 4th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue February 4th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Spot on? Only if you’re a coward. I wouldn’t necessarily call CC, Hughes and AJ for starters an “awful rotation.” Neither would I call having Mitre, Nova, Colon, Garcia and Prior in the wings an “awful rotation.”

    I would call it a rotation with some real potential.
    —————————————————————————–
    lets get AJ straighten out, nothing wrong with CC & Hughes……so as I look at it without my Yankee glasses on 3-4-5 SP’s are huge question marks

  44. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    Hi Trisha!

    Slight correction…Unfortunately, Prior is not being considered a SP anymore–just a RP.

  45. J. Alfred Prufrock February 4th, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    As I mentioned above, I also believe the standard for a defensive catcher is rising in the post-steroid era, and having just a so-so defender won’t cut it for an elite team.

    ///
    If your so-so defender steps to the plate and knocks the ball out of the park with two guys on,I’m not gonna worry about Joe Little Byatch stealin on him.

  46. Jerkface February 4th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    5) Given that Montero is not an elite defensive catcher, he will at best be a back-up in year 1, and a back-up and DH going forward until he moves to 1B. As I said earlier, this significantly undrevalues him versus being a full time catcher. As a 1B or DH, he may hit 300 with 30 HR and 100 RBI and still only be consider slightly above average against his peers at that position. And certainly the Yankees would no longer consider him to be an elite player.
    6) If he is not an elite catcher, and he can be replaced by Martin, Romine, and Sanchez, and can be replaced by FA pick-ups at DH or 1B, there is no reason in the world to hold him back as an untouchable.

    I disagree with this. The presence of Martin, Romine, and Sanchez can only affect Montero going forward if you are comfortable with what they are giving. RIght now Romine is way less of a given to play above average in the majors. Sanchez is too far away to factor in.

    If Montero is hitting .300 with 30 HRs and 100 Rbis at DH he will be the #1 or #2 DH in the AL. If he is doing it at 1st he might be top 3 the position. And consider that while its possible to get talent at first and DH, the BEST talent is not available very often.
    It does not ‘significantly undervalue him’ if he is as good a hitter as he is purported to be. Hitters with unnatural contact ability and 80 power do not grow on trees.

  47. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    When was the last time that you saw Montero catch more than one game?

    As far as catching base stealers, neither Martin, Montero or Ivan Rodriguez are going to throw out runners when the pitchers won’t or can’t hold runners closer.
    +++++++++++++++
    I have seen Montero twice—hardly enough to make the call. But I make my assumption based on reading between the lukewarm review Cashman provides and the reviews of scouts like Pelitierer (sp?) and the negatives of Law and such.

    Good point about holding runners///I think this will become more important for teams to practice and train on. Running games are becoming more prominent in post steroids era being my point.

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock February 4th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    add to that that Montero has a pretty decent arm.

  49. Triple Short of a Cycle February 4th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    We better hope Yu Darvish posts next year

  50. Jerkface February 4th, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    joeman,

    You can’t factor sanchez into any montero discussion because he is too far away. In years before and this year there is some sentiment that the presence of romine meant that Montero was dealable and vice versa, because they were both coming up at the same time. TO consider Sanchez as a viable alternative would be like saying we could have let Jeter walk because we have Culver in the minors. Doesn’t work. What if Sanchez grows out of the position etc? RIght now we have a player who could possibly catch in the majors and OPS .900 annually. You have to give that talent a shot.

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock February 4th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    I wouldn’t trade Montero for anyone out there.Nope, there’s no one I deal him for.We already have Cano.Felix has some miles on that arm.Keep Montero w-Betances-Banuelos’ time just around the corner.

  52. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    JAP–That is if Montero ever plays enough at C to get the chance. I’m not sure or let’s say I don’t necessarily trust the team to optimize his value after seeing how they handled Joba.

  53. Nick in SF February 4th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    I’m already worried that they’ll mishandle Gio!

  54. joeman February 4th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    suppose that Po has a very good year at DH and he enjoys DHing does this effect Montero in 2012

  55. joeman February 4th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    let me finish …and the Yankees sign him to a 1 or 2 year contract at decent $$$

  56. joeman February 4th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    and Martin plays back to a few years ago….does all this effect Montero

  57. J. Alfred Prufrock February 4th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
    JAP–That is if Montero ever plays enough at C to get the chance. I’m not sure or let’s say I don’t necessarily trust the team to optimize his value after seeing how they handled Joba.
    ///
    yea I hear that but I think they have less issues handling every day players.It’s pitchers they panic over.we got a slew of former catchers to support this kid.too good of a stick to trade away,& I have seen enough of the lad to not be overly concerned about his defense.We need to go outside for pitching,he’s not the one I’m sending away.Jesus is untouchable.

  58. J. Alfred Prufrock February 4th, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    I admit I’m speeding thru here while doing a split screen but whoever said Sanchez can be the replacement for a departed montero needs to know that Gary Sanchez is 17 yrs old.Great talent but he’s not even legal! he’s got a ways to go.

  59. J. Alfred Prufrock February 4th, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    Hey BOJO I admit to being a hack tonight & not being a good reader but speaking of the Jobster,I wa sthinkin it’s too bad the kid’s early training under the bright lights didn’t coincide with a different PC.might have made a difference to have one who is so strikeout-centric as Joba well has the stuff for it.

  60. GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    All Frankie Pilere ever said is that Montero hasimproved his defense every year. He said it’s nothing that he hasn’t seen in the majors and Cashman has said the same thing. If he hits as expected and his defense never improves above the level of the best of Posada, he’ll be worth every dime. Hitting like Piazza with Posada’s defense? You couldn’t accept that? Will Sanchez end up taking over the catching spot in 3 or 4 years, fine. They can split the catching duties and Sanchez can play in other spots. Montero, I’m not sure, but, if an ox like Ramirez can do it, so can Montero.

  61. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    Jerkface–

    I’ll buy your argument that Montero has value as a DH and eventual 1B, but won’t buy into hype of him being a C.

    Would I rather have a 21 year old DH who is going to hit 300/30/100 for 6 years (until FA), or a 25 LH SPer who is a #2 or #3 and can give me 200 IP and 15-18 wins per year for the next 6 years?

    Me? I’d take the LHP…but I can understand why others would prefer to keep the hitter. I just believe quality left handed starters are at a far greater premium than a bat…especially when the offense is fine without him.

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 4th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    bojo – thanks.

    joeman – that’s fair. I guess I’m very hopeful that out of Mitre, Nova, Colon, and Garcia (and Joba?) we will find a workable 4 and 5.

    I’m pooped. That’s my drive-thru for tonight!

    Night all.

    :)

  63. GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    Chamberlain’s situation has abolutely zero to do with Montero.

  64. mick February 4th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    By the time Francessa had interviewed him, Pettitte looked (and sounded) exhausted. I think the next three will make it known well in advance that they are done. No special press conferences. Just walk into the sunset
    ====================
    Doreen

    In all fairness to Andy, he came on fresh but francesa wore him down, bully that he is.
    he bombarded him with non-stop questions as he does, asking a new one before andy could finish the prior one.

  65. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    GB7–

    I might have accepted Piazza in past but I would rather have a gold glove C in the post steroid era. I just think that running game is playing a more prominent role in winning play-off games.

  66. Against All Odds February 4th, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    # mick February 4th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    By the time Francessa had interviewed him, Pettitte looked (and sounded) exhausted. I think the next three will make it known well in advance that they are done. No special press conferences. Just walk into the sunset
    ====================
    Doreen

    In all fairness to Andy, he came on fresh but francesa wore him down, bully that he is.
    he bombarded him with non-stop questions as he does, asking a new one before andy could finish the prior one.

    ———————————-

    Francesa has to let ppl get a word in.

  67. mick February 4th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Francesa has to let ppl get a word in.
    =========================
    not his style…he thinks he’s bigger than the interviewee

  68. joeman February 4th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    # J. Alfred Prufrock February 4th, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    I admit I’m speeding thru here while doing a split screen but whoever said Sanchez can be the replacement for a departed montero needs to know that Gary Sanchez is 17 yrs old.Great talent but he’s not even legal! he’s got a ways to go.
    ———————————-
    just a tidbit…he’s 18

  69. Mr. Baseballs February 4th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
    Good point about holding runners

    Speaking of holding runners, The Best Ever retired today

  70. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    GB7–

    But you know what? That’s baseball strategy…I may prefer having a gold glove catcher to a Piazza, whereas you might prefer Piazza…either might work out. No one can say one is right over the other choice until we see it on the field.

    So we might have a difference of opinion in our valuation of Montero…I can see his positives and hope he does well. But I for one would trade him for a top starter who can give me 200IP and win 15-18 games and is young.

  71. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    Mr. Baseballs February 4th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Hopefully he will be coaching future generations on how to do it.

  72. Against All Odds February 4th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    # mick February 4th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Francesa has to let ppl get a word in.
    =========================
    not his style…he thinks he’s bigger than the interviewee

    ————————————–

    Yes he does. I actually like Mike but boy he makes it hard when he does these interviews.

  73. Gary February 4th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    At this point the blow by blow is pretty meaningless, the point is Andy is gone. What matters now is how the team moves on from this.

  74. GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    There aren’t more than 8 catchers in the ML and maybe 2 more eventuals that are above average defensive catchers/throwers. That’s only 33%. sounds like baseball will be running wild.

  75. J. Alfred Prufrock February 4th, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    joeman February 4th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
    # J. Alfred Prufrock February 4th, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    I admit I’m speeding thru here while doing a split screen but whoever said Sanchez can be the replacement for a departed montero needs to know that Gary Sanchez is 17 yrs old.Great talent but he’s not even legal! he’s got a ways to go.
    ———————————-
    just a tidbit…he’s 18
    ///
    thanks joeman.when I last looked he was 17 :D, ha ha.Point still stands though.It’ll be a while before we’re bedazzled by Sanchez.Let’s keep both!too bad one of them doesn’t swing the other way.

  76. J. Alfred Prufrock February 4th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    hey there’s a lot of overthink in Yankland.Buster Posey,a mere babe,hit cleanup for the Giants en route to a WS title.if you got a good set of oars you won’t drown.

  77. J. Alfred Prufrock February 4th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Gary February 4th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
    At this point the blow by blow is pretty meaningless, the point is Andy is gone. What matters now is how the team moves on from this.
    ///
    Gary,it’s a gentler way to disengage that is all.

  78. J. Alfred Prufrock February 4th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    yea & the angels were gonna run all over the yanks in 2009 ALCS.

    Baseball may be moving more toward small ball in post-steroid era,but the yanks aren’t a small ball outfit.we still carry big clubs.that’s extremely germane to the argument because my team can answer the bunny rabbits with a 3-run stroke.i’ll take that.

  79. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    JAP and GB7–To me, the key was watching Red Sox, Rays, and Rangers run wild against the team late last year. They exposed a real weakness that I feel has to be addressed.

    You might disagree, and that is fine. I don’t need your approval on my opinions, nor do you need mine for yours.

  80. joeman February 4th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    some very nice young catchers in the majors right now…..Posey,Santana,M Montero,Wieters & Arencibia….doesn’t look like J Montero will be here in 11 but here’s to 12

  81. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    BTW–2 other things to consider.

    1) Trading Montero only means renting him out for 6 years until he hits FA at 26-27, at which point he can be re-signed.
    2) If the talks about Cashman trying to trade Montero to acquire Soria are true, then you cna bet he would do a deal for Gio. Soria’s WAR values fluctuate between 2.7 and 3.8, and Gio hit 4.3 last year. Get used to it…Cashman may in fact trade Montero for a player like Gio if he can.

  82. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 4th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Francesa is the worst interviewer I have ever listened to, bar none.

    He is unlistenable.

  83. Gary February 4th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    Friend of mine played in one of these Master baseball games against a team of Red Sox alumni here today in SWF. He got a single off Mike Torrez and I immediatly annoited him the second coming of Bucky Dent.

  84. joeman February 4th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    # BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    JAP and GB7–To me, the key was watching Red Sox, Rays, and Rangers run wild against the team late last year. They exposed a real weakness that I feel has to be addressed.

    You might disagree, and that is fine. I don’t need your approval on my opinions, nor do you need mine for yours.
    ————————————–
    Martin better be healthy or this will be repeated

  85. Jackson February 4th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    JAP and GB7–To me, the key was watching Red Sox, Rays, and Rangers run wild against the team late last year. They exposed a real weakness that I feel has to be addressed.

    -

    Jumping in here, not sure if it’s been mentioned already. But that is one the reasons they got Martin , no ?

  86. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    joeman February 4th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    Martin better be healthy or this will be repeated
    ++++++++++++
    Yep..start praying now.

  87. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    Jackson February 4th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Jumping in here, not sure if it’s been mentioned already. But that is one the reasons they got Martin , no ?
    +++++++++++++++
    Yep–which is why I feel Montero may be moved…call it a hunch (said Igor)

  88. Gary February 4th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock February 4th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
    yea & the angels were gonna run all over the yanks in 2009 ALCS.

    Baseball may be moving more toward small ball in post-steroid era,but the yanks aren’t a small ball outfit.we still carry big clubs.that’s extremely germane to the argument because my team can answer the bunny rabbits with a 3-run stroke.i’ll take that.

    _______________________________________________________________________

    Just like Football the game has gotten faster and the younger players are quicker. It’s a good thing alot of these guys don’t get on more often. With some of them it’s just a track meet out there and the pitcher and catcher have little opportunity to throw them out.

  89. Gary February 4th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
    Jackson February 4th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Jumping in here, not sure if it’s been mentioned already. But that is one the reasons they got Martin , no ?
    +++++++++++++++
    Yep–which is why I feel Montero may be moved…call it a hunch (said Igor)

    _______________________________________________________________________

    When you have real questions about the #3/4/5 slots in your rotation, for the right offer or deal that Yanks might consider a trade for him, but it would have to be a top flight pitcher.

  90. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    Good night all. Have a pleasant overnight.

  91. Nick in SF February 4th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    Gio-free :arrow:

  92. BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    Gary February 4th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    When you have real questions about the #3/4/5 slots in your rotation, for the right offer or deal that Yanks might consider a trade for him, but it would have to be a top flight pitcher
    +++++++++++++
    I consider a 25 year old lefty who can give you 200 IP and 15 to 18 wins a top flight pitcher…Heck, he compared pretty well to Lee’s stats last year, and is much less espensive and under control for a few more years.

    And with that–good night!

  93. J. Alfred Prufrock February 4th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    BoJo February 4th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
    JAP and GB7–To me, the key was watching Red Sox, Rays, and Rangers run wild against the team late last year. They exposed a real weakness that I feel has to be addressed.

    You might disagree, and that is fine. I don’t need your approval on my opinions, nor do you need mine for yours.
    ///
    Bojo,sure my friend,we’re just shooting the breeze here.approval,disapproval aren’t in the mix as far as I’m concerned.I’m one of those who thinks the “running game” in baseball is somewhat overstated.I think we had problems because we didn’t pitch.& I do think having a slugging team,as well as guys who can walk &even some who can run,puts the opponent on the defensive more than the other way around, as far as the yanks go. I think what you’re saying is valid but we disagree about degree.& I am never gonna opt for a “defensive” catcher over one with the OPS potential of Jesus Montero.

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock February 4th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Just like Football the game has gotten faster and the younger players are quicker. It’s a good thing alot of these guys don’t get on more often. With some of them it’s just a track meet out there and the pitcher and catcher have little opportunity to throw them out.

    ///
    Gary,there’s a reason that “alot of these guys don’t get on more often,” & it’s because some are better at running than at getting on.because of that,they don’t keep me up nights.besides,the yanks are a nice eclectic mix of power,avg,OBP & some speed.Offense against offense,I’ll take the slug-leaning yankee mix.

  95. Doreen February 4th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Mick -

    Point taken about Francesa, but my point still stands. Andy went through the media mill from start to finish. Who would do it that way after seeing Andy go through it? :)

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