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“All of the inventory we liked came off the board”

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The Yankees have already have felt the sting of a diminished free agent market, and that reality came front and center during yesterday’s press conference. The Yankees needed pitching this winter, but they found a market that offered one appealing option.

“I’ve been pursuing things,” Brian Cashman said yesterday. “But when Cliff made his declaration of going to Philadelphia, all of the inventory that we liked came off the board.”

The Yankees really didn’t miss out on much during their pursuit of Cliff Lee, but when he chose the Phillies, the Yankees were left sorting through leftovers. They were left bargaining with pitchers who offered some possibility but no reliability.

“The remaining inventory that could help us, it’d have to be under the right circumstances,” Cashman said. “Freddy Garcia is a potential guy who could help us, but not one that I was willing to guarantee anything. We’ll see him in the spring and that’s the same with anything else that’s on the board.”

As Sean pointed out this morning, next year’s market isn’t likely to be overflowing with rotation talent either. It’s entirely possible that Cashman pounced on the last viable rotation market we’ll see for a while, and while the trade market is still active, it’s also predictably expensive. Player development remains the most cost-effective way of adding talent, and that makes the success of the Yankees young pitchers pivotal to the not-so-distant future of the franchise.

In one way or another, the Yankees are going to need them.

For now, the team is left with a rotation that’s unquestionably flawed. The real question is, how can the Yankees change that with less than two weeks remaining before spring training.

“It’s obviously one that’s incomplete,” Cashman said. “We’re going to wait and see what we’ve got in camp. There is a comfort level with CC Sabathia, Phil Hughes and A.J. Burnett. And then obviously we have some kids in the system, as well as non-roster invites that are going to compete and take a run at the remaining spots. We’ll see what we see when we get there.

“… Our starting rotation is not where it needs to be right now, but I’m confident that we’ll get it there. I just can’t tell you how long that will take.”

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314 Responses to ““All of the inventory we liked came off the board””

  1. Vandelay Industries February 5th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Trade for Gio

  2. Bronx Jeers February 5th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Inventory ?

    Chad next time you see Cashman ask him if androids dream of electric sheep ?

  3. BronXoo February 5th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Two words. Chris Carpenter. Two more. Fausto Carmona.

  4. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    A comfort level with AJ Burnett? Ok, Cash, lol…………the only comfort level that exists is with the other team when AJ is on the mound. I love him personally, but he wasn’t that great in 2009 (he was ok) and he was brutal last year. Even when he’s on a hot streak, you never know when he’s going to blow up – he’s not a guy you can ever feel comfortable with on the mound.

    We really need some of our kids to step up in the next few years as this rotation is constantly in flux and teams are re-signing their best young pitchers

  5. Vandelay Industries February 5th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Carmona, yes.

  6. tyanksfan36 February 5th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Bronx Jeers says:

    February 5, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Inventory ?

    Chad next time you see Cashman ask him if androids dream of electric sheep ?

    —-

    My brother has been asking for that book for christmas for the past 3 years, he finally bought it for himself. I literally laughed out loud when I read that. An obscure reference, maybe ill have to read it.

  7. blake February 5th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Carpenter is interesting but the Cards would have to fall out of contention before trading him and that doesn’t seem likely by the deadline …

  8. CCBiggs February 5th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Does Cashman not realize that GMs can make TRADES too? Why did he focus only on the free agent market, especially when it was weak this year? Fire Cashman now!

  9. PacoDooley February 5th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    What about Jose Reyes as an option in the next FA class? He could be the heir apparent to Jeter (okay, maybe a season too early for that). If he has a bounce-back 2011 season and looks like he did before his health problems he could be a nice SS option for a team that has no clear option in the system…

  10. 108 stitches February 5th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    No comfort level with Burnett until Larry Rothschild gets him straightened out with pitching mechanics and having confidence with an off speed pitch.

  11. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Rothschild is not a miracle worker – AJ is who he is. I can already see Rothshchild getting trashed by Yankee fans if AJ doesn’t improve greatly; there is only so much you can do when the material isn’t that good

  12. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    They have to develop their own, There is no substitute.

  13. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    “The Yankees really didn’t miss out on much during their pursuit of Cliff Lee..”

    That depends on what they were willing to pay Crawford and what they could have traded one of their three OF for.

  14. blake February 5th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Rich,

    Its heading more and more that way. There will still be some guys that slip through to FA but likely much less under 30.

  15. LGY February 5th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    AJ had a 3.86 ERA on June 15th last year, 2.5 months into the season.

    His dramatic downfall after that was so strange given how well he was pitching it is likely the Yankees know much more about the circumstances than us fans, reflecting their comfort level.

  16. Against All Odds February 5th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    # Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    They have to develop their own, There is no substitute.

    ——————————

    Are they willing to go through the growing pains of developing?

  17. LGY February 5th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    The Yankees scouting department will be seriously tested next year when Yu Darvish is posted. Don’t get many opportunities to evaluate and potentially pursue a 25 year old ”
    FA”

  18. blake February 5th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Last season could be a blessing in.disguise with AJ if it finally ends up forcing him to.change the way he pitches…..we shall see.

  19. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    “Are they willing to go through the growing pains of developing?”

    IDK, but the more important question may be are the really serious about winning WS or do they just want to make the playoffs?

  20. ericns1 February 5th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    so for a few years you miss the playoffs – more money to spend on other things in October and less money spent on expensive hotdogs and beer

  21. Against All Odds February 5th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    I think they want to win the WS but they know it’s not possible to win it every single yr so as long as they are in the PS than they have a chance at winning it in a given yr.

  22. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    “I think they want to win the WS but they know it’s not possible to win it every single yr so as long as they are in the PS than they have a chance at winning it in a given yr.”

    But if they don’t have a rotation with more than one shutdown starter, then there chances of winning the WS are reduced.

  23. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    And it’s not like they don’t have the top tier, near ML ready, young starters in the system to develop.

  24. GreenBeret7 February 5th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    Well, at least Phil Hughes will finally catch a break from the daily whines and complaints about nothing. Looks like it’s time to return to another favorite target, AJ Burnett. If they can survive this, they can deal with anything. I dred the first hit of the season given up by Hughes and Burnett, along with the first hitless Jeter at bat.

  25. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    I think AJ deserves criticism. Hughes doesn’t.

  26. jackamir February 5th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Every year brings new challenges and this year will test the real Yankee fans. In your heart of hearts didn’t you see this coming. Age is the major issue here…….. You can put bandaids on potential problems with free agent signings but the glut of prosperity and success must come from scouting and the minor league system. This not something profound, it’s ABC’s baseball. We have the finance ( lucky us)but realistically who among us did not see this coming?

  27. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Rich, and these kids have to start paying dividends. It’s well and good to talk about the promising pitching, but at some point, they have to turn that promise into performance

  28. Patrick February 5th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    A question for everyone on the blog – who would YOU trade Montero for? Here is my list..

    Felix Hernandez, Tim Lincecum, Jon Lester, Josh Johnson, Ubaldo Jimenez

    Troy Tulowitzki, Ryan Zimmerman, Evan Longoria, Hanley Ramirez, Jason Heyward, Buster Posey

    I think that’s it.

  29. Against All Odds February 5th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    # Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    “I think they want to win the WS but they know it’s not possible to win it every single yr so as long as they are in the PS than they have a chance at winning it in a given yr.”

    But if they don’t have a rotation with more than one shutdown starter, then there chances of winning the WS are reduced.

    ——————————————————————–

    Yes that’s true it is reduced. It’s clear when Lee went to the Phils things changed. I wonder if they see this yr as a season where they take a step back.

  30. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Blake, I don’t think anything’s going to change AJ. The Yankees spoke to him after 2009 and he spent all off-season working on his change – then he forgot about it. He’s 34 and stubborn………….I think he should throw a 2 seamer – that worked for him very well early last season. In fact, I think the Yankees should encourage Phil to throw that pitch.

  31. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    OH please – just because you think players shouldn’t be criticized doesn’t mean anyone else should be afraid of posting their thoughts.

  32. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    Betsy

    Take a look at Greg Maddux’s first few seasons before setting the timeline for the dividends to accrue.

    http://www.baseball-reference......gr01.shtml

  33. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    “Yes that’s true it is reduced. It’s clear when Lee went to the Phils things changed. I wonder if they see this yr as a season where they take a step back.”

    Unless Hank was engaged in puffery when he said they better bleepin’ win, I don’t think so.

  34. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Rich, then this board exists in it’s own little sphere re: Phil… and it’s unfair to suggest that concerns about a player should not be expressed unless you’re suggesting that people tow the company (blog) line about certain players

  35. 108 stitches February 5th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Cleveland is close to signing Kevin Millwood according to reports. Take Fausto Carmona off their hands to use as a No. 4 or 5 starter at $6.1M He’s a better bet than Mitre who should be a long man out of the bullpen.
    Start by offering Romulo Sanchez and Kevin Russo.

  36. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Betsy

    It’s about perspective. It was his first full season as a starter. When you look at guy’s like Maddux’s first few seasons, what should one realistically expect from Hughes?

  37. GreenBeret7 February 5th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    It appears that Cleveland is trying to sign both Bonderman and Millwood. That would give them at least 8 pitchers that made at least 10 starts in the majors last year. Let the rumors start flying.

  38. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Rich, the point is the Yankees go through this every year. A few years ago we thought Joba and Phil would be anchoring the Yankees for years to come – well that’s not happened. Every pitcher that Cash has brought in short of CC has disappointed and this Lee thing really clarified things – the Yankees either develop their own or their in trouble. No one is letting their very good young pitchers go………… Now, the problem is that developing kids for the future means sacrificing some of the present, something Hal and Hank won’t do. So, that means more FA pitchers; it’s a vicious cylcle

  39. Mell February 5th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    “Felix Hernandez, Tim Lincecum, Jon Lester, Josh Johnson, Ubaldo Jimenez

    Troy Tulowitzki, Ryan Zimmerman, Evan Longoria, Hanley Ramirez, Jason Heyward, Buster Posey”

    Disagree on Jiminez, but otherwise it looks about right. Of course, if I’m a GM, I’m not trading any of these guys, ‘cept Jiminez, for Montero.

  40. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Betsy

    Phil will be anchor. Joba got hurt and they (rightly or wrongly) now think he can’t start. IPK could have started for them.

    It’s about patience. If Hal and Hank don’t have it, then this franchise will never be all that it could be.

  41. LGY February 5th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Well, at least Brett Gardner will finally catch a break from GB. Looks like he has returned to another favorite target, Betsy.

  42. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    Rich, I didn’t want to talk about Phil today – I just get pissed off when I see people being unbelievably intolerant to posts that express views that differ from their own. I have never said that Phil should be Maddux or even close as you know my concerns about him. I see that people that have concerns about certain pitchers are labled whiners………….beyond annoying.

  43. West Coast Yankee Fan February 5th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    This thread reiterates what many have been saying, there are three huge question marks in the Yankees rotation right now – not two.

  44. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    Carmona better be really, really cheap to acquire otherwise, pass.

  45. GreenBeret7 February 5th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Concerns are not an issue when they are warranted. Whining for no reason will be called on. As far as Burnett, has it even crossed your mind that rebound seasons happen?

  46. jacksquat February 5th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    I think if AJ isn’t comfortable throwing a changeup (I never was), he should try throwing a splitter. It could work well off his fastball. If he can’t throw that either, perhaps a two seamer.

  47. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    LGY, that’s fine – I can take it. He’s annoyed at me because I don’t agree about Phil? Well that’s not a patch on how I feel about me (or other posters) being called whiners because we have concerns about Phil.

  48. Against All Odds February 5th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    # Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    “Yes that’s true it is reduced. It’s clear when Lee went to the Phils things changed. I wonder if they see this yr as a season where they take a step back.”

    Unless Hank was engaged in puffery when he said they better bleepin’ win, I don’t think so.

    ——————————————

    I guess we’ll have to wait and see what happens. They were spinning the WS or bust phrase in 08 when it was clear that they weren’t that good.

  49. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    GB, you don’t get to determine what is whining and what is legitimate concern. Phil was not even an issue today – this time I didn’t bring him up.

  50. Mell February 5th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    “Carmona better be really, really cheap to acquire otherwise, pass”

    Don’t see why he would be. Pretty friendly contract. Balance of his deal works out to 4 years at an average of $8.5M per.

  51. LGY February 5th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    “Concerns are not an issue when they are warranted. Whining for no reason will be called on”

    ————————

    You mean like your constant whining about Brett Gardner no matter how many times you are shown how baseless your observations are???

  52. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Also GB, AJ has a lot of rebounding to do off of last year. I expect improvement, but that’s only because he was so darn awful last year. He’s at best going to be what he was in 2009 – which was inconsistent. He’s not going to ever be what Cash hoped he’d be when he signed him after the 2008 season.

  53. GreenBeret7 February 5th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Keep in mind that in 2010, Hughes went over 100 innings in a season for the first time since 2006. That’s one Hell of a jump. To think that he might have hit a wall is not unreasonable. As far as Burnett goes, his season was more than he just “stunk”. Something else was in play. I have no idea but from the start of the season until the end of June, he was as good as any pitcher in the league. Whatever happened after that wasn’t just because he stunk.

  54. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    “Don’t see why he would be. Pretty friendly contract. Balance of his deal works out to 4 years at an average of $8.5M per.”

    ERA+

    2008: 79
    2009: 67
    2010: 102

    Either he isn’t that good or he can’t stay healthy, either way, he’s not worth much.

    The contract is all team options after 2011.

  55. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Plus, you bet concerns about Phil are warranted in terms of the things we’ve talked about. You can disagree if you want to and that’s fine, but you are not the final judge as to what concerns are or are not warranted. All I have ever said was that I am going to wait and see before I determine that he’s going to be a reliable #2 pitcher in this rotation and that I think his ceiling is not as high as you think. Those are hardly inflammatory comments.

  56. LGY February 5th, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    AJ Burnett was the 7th highest paid pitcher in baseball last year, yet was easily one of the worst in MLB.

    If that doesn’t deserve criticism, I don’t know what does. Even if you believe he will pitch well last year.

  57. Crawdaddy February 5th, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    “They have to develop their own, There is no substitute.”

    I agree, but it’s going to take some patience. However, unlike 2008, the Yankees have a lot more depth of pitching throughout their system.

    Yet, sometime this year, Cashman is going to make a trade, I just hope the pitcher he acquires in June/July is worth the assets he’s going to give up for him. I think his fantasy trade is still to acquire King Felix. It will be expensive if he’s made available.

  58. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Rich, we’ll see about Phil – we don’t need to rehash that again, though. You’re overall points are sound, though I don’t necessarily agree with your general philosophy that we have to have young players all around. I’m starting to think, though, that maybe in order to develop these kids that I wouldn’t mind having a couple of “eh” years.

  59. LGY February 5th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    I like Carmona because his contract is so ridiculously team friendly. You can cut the cord on the deal whenever you want with no consequence.

    That said I woudn’t trade any of the Yanks top prospects for him.

  60. Crawdaddy February 5th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    AJ has to improve because he can’t get any worse than he was last year. The question is how much does he improve from 2010. Right now, I’ll take the 2009 version because it’s the most realistic one at the moment. If the Baseball Gods smile upon the Yankees then we’ll get sometime closer to the 2008 version.

  61. blake February 5th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Patrick,

    That’s a good list. Ubaldo is iffy for me and Lincecum.scares me long term. He’s so good right now though you’d probably have to do it…..hypothetically because the Giants are in no need of a catcher

    Betsy,
    Yea but AJ pitched fairly well in 2009….he really had no real reason to change anything. He hit rock bottom in 2010…..its a little different. He’s no sure thing of course but I remain optimistic that he will be better than last year…..how.much I don’t know, but he’s just never been that bad before.

  62. GreenBeret7 February 5th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    LGY February 5th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
    “Concerns are not an issue when they are warranted. Whining for no reason will be called on”

    ————————

    You mean like your constant whining about Brett Gardner no matter how many times you are shown how baseless your observations are???

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I don’t harp on it. I’ve said that he was a much better bunter, both for sacrifices and hits in the minors and he’s slipped back. My concerns were about his not running when he’s put in the game to run. And, if you don’t think that he runs enough, you’re wrong, regardless of his success rate. Girardi also mentioned it. You are right about one thing…he takes a lot of pitches, but a lot of them are ill advised when he’s called out on pitches over the middle of the plate.

  63. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    Phil started stumbling in mid-May, well before he hit his previous innings high. In any case, while I do have concerns, outside of CC, he’s the least of our concerns. AJ is a bigger one and so are the 4/5 spots

  64. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    LGY

    I don’t think the Indians would make a reasonable deal.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicag.....er-options

    Cleveland’s Fausto Carmona has been mentioned in trade talks as well. The Cubs and Indians had talks at one time about Carmona. However, the Indians are said to be asking for teams’ top two prospects just to get started in serious discussions

  65. Patrick February 5th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Troy Tulowitzki, Ryan Zimmerman, Evan Longoria, Hanley Ramirez, Jason Heyward, Buster Posey”

    Disagree on Jiminez, but otherwise it looks about right. Of course, if I’m a GM, I’m not trading any of these guys, ‘cept Jiminez, for Montero.

    I don’t think any GM would trade any of those guys for Montero but I disagree with you on Jimenez. Before I put my list together I was going to put Jimenez on the “maybe” list but if you think about it, he’s now put together 3 extremely good seasons. And his stuff is off the charts good.

  66. West Coast Yankee Fan February 5th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    There are no concerns about Phil Hughes that I am aware of that come from any reputable baseball source. Quite the opposite, he along with Sabathia is a pitcher the Yankees have zero concerns about.

    Hughes is young, healthy, is developing normally, has a great arm as well as a great attitude and mound demeanor. He was also 18-8 in the AL East with a 4.19 ERA and more IP than hits as a number 5 starter.

    The legitimate concerns are Burnett and the 4 and 5 slots this year.

  67. GreenBeret7 February 5th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    What Burnett gets paid has nothing to do with his game. Burnett and everyone else knows that he has to get things straightened out, no matter what the issues were/are. Perhaps waiting until he throws his first pitch this year would be helpful.

  68. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Blake, I hope so because I believe that AJ cares a lot and he feels terrible about how he’s pitched. I know he’s worked hard this off-season and I hope for his sake as well as ours that he does improve.

  69. charlestonchew February 5th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    This comment is entirely unrelated to what people have been posting today and these guest posts, but I’m going to make this comment nonetheless.

    MLBTradeRumors is a fantastic website. Those guys over there are doing a superb job. Not only do they get the whispers of trade possibilities and aggregate it in a comprehensive and coherent fashion, they’re great with their grammar and sentence structure. They really know how to write and convey things. I say this as someone who has limited writing education (about 5-6 courses at the Undergraduate level).

    The site really is one of a kind, something that we all use and rely on and which has remained unmatched (and, perhaps more revealing, it hasn’t been hijacked in the way that some other websites have been by major news organizations. think nate silver’s 538 and the new york times.).

    Anyways, that’s all I wanted to say.

  70. blake February 5th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Patrick,

    Id put Kershaw on that list as well…..probabaly before Ubaldo.

  71. upstate kate February 5th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Patrick
    what about David Price?

  72. Crawdaddy February 5th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    As long as he’s healthy, I think Hughes will be fine this upcoming season.

  73. LGY February 5th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Rich,

    I don’t think so either, but with some of the trades that have gone down the past 2 years I feel like it has been harder and harder to get a handle on what many of these GMs actually want.

    Who knows, Antonetti may really like one or two of the Yankees prospects that are not the top guys. But yeah, I highly doubt it happens.

  74. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    LGY

    Would you give up Joba? I wouldn’t. Phelps , Laird, Noesi?

  75. Against All Odds February 5th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    you wouldn’t give up Joba? Why not?

  76. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    Kate, I would have to trade Montero for Price……….but all this is moot because these players are not going to become available. One day if Montero becomes what we hope, we won’t even talk about trading him for even any of those pitchers.

  77. charlestonchew February 5th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Ok, I lied. That’s not all I had to say.

    I’m excited about Pettitte’s retirement because it’s going to make the act of actually watching games more interesting. Pettitte was great to watch, but the fact is that he is a good to great pitcher and he usually wins games. He’s someone we know.

    Watching a couple of these kids in the rotation this year is so exciting for me. I loved it when the Chase Wrights and Tyler Clippards and Phil Hughes were pitching. Dan Giese! I mean, come on! Those were some of the best games of the year.

    The last thing I want is for the Yankees to win 108 games and then lose in the postseason (or dominate the postseason).

    I want to see these Yankees persist and persevere against the odds. I want to see Ivan Nova win 12 games and be the same beast who is like “JOSE BAUTISTA, BRING IT ON!”

    But enough with my rant. Baseball is about the enjoyment of watching the games and the thrill of defeating the odds. I’m excited for that this season.

  78. West Coast Yankee Fan February 5th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    Of course the details of any specific deal matters, but IMO pitching wins. We have plenty of hitting on this club right now and Sanchez is a couple of years away. If you can get a legitimate “young” number 1 or 2 for Montero you would have to consider it seriously.

  79. blake February 5th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Yea Price as well probably….

    Here is a hypothetical……if Hughes were on another team would you trade Montero for him after the season he just posted?

  80. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    No number 2 for Montero – only a YOUNG number 1…………..

  81. Patrick February 5th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    “Id put Kershaw on that list as well…..probabaly before Ubaldo. ”

    I disagree, Kershaw still hasn’t proven he can pitch multiple seasons at 200+ innings.

    “what about David Price?”

    I’ll be honest, I didn’t think of him when I made the list. Now that you’ve brought him up though, I’d put him on the “maybe” list with Kershaw.

  82. Joe from Long Island February 5th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    Hi all –

    Enough about the trade and FA market, about young pitchers and player development. We all know the stories, over and over again. You want to know what the most important story in baseball is right now?

    The Mets.

    Specifically, the mess that the Mets are in because of the fast and loose way Fred Wilpon and Saul Katz, their ownership group, played with money. The NY Times has some great investigative reporting on this, in today’s paper. ANd not by their baseball writers. The bylines are their reporters who cover sports business, and straight investigative reporters at the paper.

    According to the Times’, the Wilpons’ family seem to have used the money from the Mets – the team, ballpark, and SNY – like one giant piggy bank, all to move in and out of Madoff accounts at will.

    The Wilpons are reported to have debt on the team, ballpark, and SNY, of up to $1.5B – that’s billion with a “b”. Add to that the funds that the Madoff trustee is looking for – up to another $1B – and there’s no way Fred can keep control of any of it. He’s looking at personal bankruptcy, IMO.

    This is starting to look like the Texas Rangers’ sale all over again – an owner in over his head, and selling the team thru bankruptcy court.

    What does this mean for the upcoming season? To me, it indicates that the team will need to shed debt as fast as possible. That means shedding payroll. That means any player with a lot of money due – Santana, Beltran, Reyes, Wright, Bay – will be shopped. I know what Sandy Alderson said in public, but I can’t believe he doesn’t see the handwriting on the wall, and realizes what will need to happen. I think a lot of baseball sees it, too.

    There will be a fire sale going on in the Queens this summer.

  83. Patrick February 5th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    Here is a hypothetical……if Hughes were on another team would you trade Montero for him after the season he just posted?

    Not a chance

  84. LGY February 5th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Rich,

    Joba is a good question. I really don’t know. It is hard to tell how good or bad Carmona really is. I would prefer not to weaken the big club, but it is something I would consider. This is probably a cop out, but I really am not sure. It would be a tough decision for me.

  85. GreenBeret7 February 5th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
    Plus, you bet concerns about Phil are warranted in terms of the things we’ve talked about. You can disagree if you want to and that’s fine, but you are not the final judge as to what concerns are or are not warranted. All I have ever said was that I am going to wait and see before I determine that he’s going to be a reliable #2 pitcher in this rotation and that I think his ceiling is not as high as you think. Those are hardly inflammatory comments.

    Mid-May? His ERA was 2.71 on June 8th. He hit 88 innings at the end of june. Regardless, he had an innings total that was over 80 innings higher than any of his last 3 years. That’s a huge jump.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    no, that’s not all you said. You’ve spent the season and off season complaining that he didn’t throw a curve or didn’t throw a change-up enough. Go back and read some of the hundreds of things you posted. You have no faith, you think his arm slot is wrong, you think that…..the list of things you thought are long.

  86. 108 stitches February 5th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    1. C.C.
    2. Hughes
    3. Burnett (if fixed)
    4. Carmona or Kazmir (if reasonable deal worked out)
    5. Garcia or Nova

  87. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Blake, no because I would only trade Montero for a young pitcher who has already established himself as an ace…..that’s not a slight on Phil here, but just a reflection of how much I don’t want to trade Montero

  88. Against All Odds February 5th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Joe from Long Island February 5th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    There will be a fire sale going on in the Queens this summer.

    —————————————

    If the Yankees can pick off pieces of their team I’m all for it.

  89. LGY February 5th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Price is filthy. I would definitely trade Montero for him.

    Behind King Felix, Price would be 2nd on my list for pitchers I would trade Montero for.

  90. Against All Odds February 5th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    @ Joe ye the met situation is the biggest story in NY right now. Once the SB ends you can be sure there will be a lot of Met talk regarding this issue.

  91. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    GB, I never said his arm slot was wrong – read my posts. I said, IMO, Phil has an odd motion – that’s all. Also, I know exactly what I said and I stand by my comments. Until I see that he can throw a curve consistently and that he’s willing to throw a change (and not just the last few weeks of the season like last year), then yes – I do wonder how good he will be. It’s my opinion; you are entitled to yours, but snarky comments about people who don’t share your opinion about Phil are unwarranted and unnecessary.

  92. blake February 5th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Patrick,

    Fair enough on Kershaw….I do think he’s a very young elite talent. He would be a probably for me. As for Hughes it just depends on how high you think his ceiling is……if he were on another team I would probably lean towards no as well but I do think the way big league hitters struggle to square his fastball up is very telling……if he learns to turns some of the foul balls into misses or weak balls in play then I think he could be one of the better pitchers in the league.

  93. Patrick February 5th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    blake,

    I’m only trading Montero for a young proven superstar. While Hughes has a high ceiling, he hasn’t reached it yet. I know I’m putting an absurdly high price tag on Montero but it’s not like I expect any of these trades to happen.,

  94. West Coast Yankee Fan February 5th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    Hughes has a superb curve and a developing change, all signs point t him getting better and better. I repeat, he was a number 5 starter last year who went 18-8! What more does anyone want!

  95. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    WC, how does he have a superb curve? It’s very good at times, but it’s inconsistent to say the least

  96. West Coast Yankee Fan February 5th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    If anyone made a list of the top ten concerns the Yankees had going into this year – Phil Hughes would not be on that list.

  97. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Let’s just agree to disagree as why rehash old arguments?

  98. blake February 5th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    Patrick,

    I would have a high price tag for him as well…..the list you posted plus Price is about all I would really do as well.

  99. Crawdaddy February 5th, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    This season, Hughes will prove Betsy wrong then we can move forward from this old argument.

  100. West Coast Yankee Fan February 5th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Betsy, he is a young, developing pitcher and his curve ball will continue to improve as he gets more adept at throwing it for strikes or burying it out of the zone. It’s a genuine power curve with a huge break – and most importantly he uses the same arm slot and release point that he does for his fastball.

  101. Betsy February 5th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Craw, I would love nothing more, lol – then we can move on to another argument

  102. BIG AL February 5th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    What a strange day on the blog, when WCYF is the voice of reason, and in his comments today, he is spot on.

  103. West Coast Yankee Fan February 5th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    That’s what being a baseball fan is about all Al, opinions. I like Hughes, I dont like Cashman, I like Joe Torre, go figure.

  104. austinmac February 5th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    I like prospects as well as most, but to list only a handful of players you would trade Montero for is overly prospect hugging to me. No one knows if he can be a major large catcher , and he has never played another position.

    Would you trade him for the prospects rated above him? Why not? For any of the young players who were highly rated last year?

  105. Patrick February 5th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    Top 10 concerns the Yankees have going into the 2011 season:

    1. Does A.J. Burnett bounce back after an awful 2010 season?
    2. Was 2010 the beginning of the end for Jeter? Will he continue to get worse or hit closer to his career averages?
    3. Which Curtis Granderson are we getting? The guy we saw for the first 4+ months of the season or the guy we saw in September and October?
    4. If Nova is our fourth starter, how good is he?
    5. Who is the fifth starter? If it’s Garcia or Colon how good are they now? Can they stay healthy?
    6. Can Mo ignore his age for yet another season?
    7. Posada got injured a lot in 2010, will he stay healthy in 2011?
    8. Gardner had wrist problems for most of the year, is that behind him and if so can he duplicate his 2010 season or improve on it?
    9. Soriano has never been healthy for 3 seasons in a row, can he buck that trend in 2011?
    10. Will A-rod continue to be hamepered by his hip injury or will he get back to putting up MVP like numbers?

    Hughes was healthy and effective and has a high probability of getting better in 2011. I don’t see him as a concern.

  106. Patrick February 5th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    I would have a high price tag for him as well…..the list you posted plus Price is about all I would really do as well.

    Yeah the more I think about it the more I think I would have to include Price….

  107. blake February 5th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Austinmac,
    A lot of it has to do with the position he plays and the Yankee’s needs. If its not an elite and young type player then the thinking is that you’d be better off seeing if Montero is one himself…..to me you trade proven greatness for potential greatness but not proven average-good for potential greatness.

  108. charlestonchew February 5th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    This forum can be pretty insufferable to read as people just seem to get so absorbed in themselves and defending their arguments or attacking others.

    Take a breath and have some good discussions from time to time. It’s always the same people rehashing the same garbage over and over. Why not discuss some new topics with new faces? I’ve been reading this blog since it’s inception and been posting since the start, though sparingly, and it’s not easy to get a word in unless you directly address or attack someone (or if you write something so ridiculous that it gets you attacked).

    Sad stuff.

  109. blake February 5th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    I mean you trade potential greatness for proven greatness but not potential greatness for proven average-good…..had that backwards.

  110. Tom in N.J. February 5th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    “‘Gehrig bill’ would free Yankee star’s medical data for ALS-concussion probe

    State Rep. Phyllis Kahn wants the Mayo Clinic to release New York Yankees legend Lou Gehrig’s medical records. Monday, she will introduce a bill permitting just that.”

    http://tumblr.minnpost.com/pos.....rs-medical

  111. BIG AL February 5th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    At what point the FO determines to bring Montero up, may depend on either his ST, or how fast out-of-the-gate he is in SWB.

    The earlier he’s brought up, the better. If this is to be Posada’s last year, then let him work hard with Montero in NY.

    The reigns were past from Girardi to Posada, it’s now time to pass them on to our next starting catcher.

    Much has been written about Montero’s defense, but, all the latest reports indicate he’ll be more than adequate behind the plate, and plus with his bat. Even if he’s only as good as Posada behind the plate, we could live with that.

  112. austinmac February 5th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    Blake,

    I agree with you. I would only trade Montero for someone of high quality, but Montero comes with a huge risk of being position less. As a result his trade value is far less to the general managers in baseball than people on this pro-Yankee board.

    Seattle took Smoak over Montero because in his judgement, for better or worse, he felt Montero was less ofma sure thing.

  113. Patrick February 5th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    According to Keith Law the only 3 prospects ranked higher than Montero are:

    Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, Dominic Brown

    All 3 are outfielders, something we don’t need and Trout/Harper are pretty far from the major leagues. Brown is close but he doesn’t have the offensive upside of Montero.

    Last year Montero was ranked 10th, the prospects ahead of him were:

    Jason Heyward, Steven Strasburg, Carlos Santana, Buster Posey, Mike Stanton, Desmond Jennings, Martin Perez, Dustin Ackley, Justin Smoak

    Heyward and Posey made my list.

    Strasburg and Santana got hurt.

    Justin Smoak got to the majors and failed pretty badly (although I think he’ll bounce back) Also he’s a 1B, something we don’t need.

    Mike Stanton is good but he’s a corner outfielder and he K’s a lot and doesn’t hit for a high average. You can get corner outfielders on the free agent market, I wouldn’t trade Montero for him.

    Desmond Jennings had a mediocre year and was ranked below Montero in the 2011 rankings.

    Dustin Ackley had an up and down year in the minors and was ranked below Montero in the 2011 rankings.

    Martin Perez had a bad year and, again, is ranked below Montero in the 2011 rankings.

    After examining this player by player the only possible change I’d make to my list is I would consider trading Montero for Santana. He had a good year and should recover fine from his injury. He’s also more of a 2-way player than Montero. Still, I like Montero’s offense better than Santana’s and we already have some better defensive catchers coming through the system.

  114. BIG AL February 5th, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    “‘Gehrig bill’ would free Yankee star’s medical data for ALS-concussion probe

    State Rep. Phyllis Kahn wants the Mayo Clinic to release New York Yankees legend Lou Gehrig’s medical records. Monday, she will introduce a bill permitting just that.”

    http://tumblr.minnpost.com/pos…..rs-medical

    ***********************************************
    Just an example of more government waste of time and money, on issues that are of no importance at this time. At this point in time, why should it matter if Gehrig died of ALS, or of a disease that’s very similar.

  115. blake February 5th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Austinmac,

    That’s fair….however at the time Smoak was chosen over Montero, Montero had yet to have his monster second half and had struggled some early in the season. Smoak was closer to the big leagues……I think most would choose the opposite given the choice now..

  116. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    When I see posters talking about acquiring elite players for Montero–an unproven prospect–or getting Carmona for cast-offs like Russo and Sanchez, I just have to shake my head in disbelief.

    A proven major league player–especially one generating over 4 or 5 WAR wins per season, is going to be costly and take top prospects. Other GMs are going to shop them and not give any breaks to the Yankees by taking second tier prospects.

    You might wish that the other GMs value our prospects as much as we do based on our hopes, but they don’t.

  117. Brian44 February 5th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    What about Kevin Milwood?

  118. Doreen February 5th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Joe from Long Island -

    There’s not much to say, is there?

    What a sorry state of affairs over there. My father-in-law is probably rolling over in his grave. It sure explains why a team supposedly flush with cash did zero this off-season in terms of player movement.

    ****

    charlestonchew -

    I agree that there are days when the discussion gets redundant. But I figure it’s a good thing for me – time to take a little break. :)

  119. LGY February 5th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Only 14 players in all of baseball last year had a .900+ OPS.

    Elite bats, no matter what position they play, are still the most valuable thing in baseball.

  120. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Patrick February 5th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    After examining this player by player the only possible change I’d make to my list is I would consider trading Montero for Santana.
    +++++++++++++
    I’d take Harper in a second. He has a 96 mph fastball so you know he will have a rifle in RF…he has better speed than scouts originally thought, and has the best pure swing I’ve seen since Josh Hamilton. I think he will be a franchise player and arrive very soon.

  121. austinmac February 5th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    Bojo,

    Exactly. People have anointed Montero as hall of famer without playing a game. Other teams GMs are not trading top flight established players for one with question marks defensively.

    Too many people cry over a Yankee tax in trades. Ridiculous. Other teams, except their direct competitors, will gladly trade with Yankees if they feel it is the best deal. That is the only way they keep their jobs.

  122. Patrick February 5th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    I’d take Harper in a second. He has a 96 mph fastball so you know he will have a rifle in RF…he has better speed than scouts originally thought, and has the best pure swing I’ve seen since Josh Hamilton. I think he will be a franchise player and arrive very soon.

    For Montero? No way.

    Harper has played a few months of pro baseball, he’s just too far away for me to give up Montero for him. Not to mention, he’s a RF, those are easy to find on the FA market, I don’t give up Montero for a corner outfielder.

  123. joeman February 5th, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    I for one would like to see Montero hit in the majors and see what he can do

  124. Patrick February 5th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Other teams GMs are not trading top flight established players for one with question marks defensively.

    That’s kind of the point of this exercise. We are basically saying “We wouldn’t trade Montero period” because obviously none of these trades would ever happen.

    A lot of fans really underestimate how valuable Montero is. He’s young, he has no real weaknesses at the plate, he hits for power, hits for average, doesn’t strike out a ton. This is a guy that is being compared to hall of famers. And to top it all off, there’s a decent shot he sticks at catcher. This is not a guy you trade unless you are getting a proven superstar back.

  125. austinmac February 5th, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    LGY,

    I’m not here to downgrade Montero but to suggest realism. Montero only had an OPS of .900 once in the minors.

    Right now all is a projection with him and all minor leaguers. He has been young in all levels of his play. I do think he will hit. All I suggest is projection isn’t as good as having done it. I would trade him for those that have.

    Of course, all this is moot because most of the better players aren’t being traded.

  126. joeman February 5th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    A lot of fans really underestimate how valuable Montero is. He’s young, he has no real weaknesses at the plate, he hits for power, hits for average, doesn’t strike out a ton. This is a guy that is being compared to hall of famers. And to top it all off, there’s a decent shot he sticks at catcher. This is not a guy you trade unless you are getting a proven superstar back
    ———————————————————————————

    he hits minor league pitching, get him up to the majors and lets see what the kids got

  127. austinmac February 5th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    Patrick,

    I think you are saying is Montero’s upside is worth some risk of him not achieving. Valid, and I hope you are right.

  128. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    Patrick February 5th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
    ++++++++++++
    Way.

    Why do you think scouts rate him higher than Montero? His swing at Yankee Stadium would produce 40+ homers per year. I’ll take a power LH bat in YS over a power RH bat anytime…and I’ll take an everyday OFer over a DH (which is what I think Montero is) or a back up cathcer who plays 60 games per year.

    I especially would do the deal because Harper will be ready just when Swish goes FA…

  129. blake February 5th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    LGY,

    Elite bats at premium positions even moreso ….

  130. joeman February 5th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    how does anyone put up future stats on a player who has never had a AB in the majors

  131. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    I can’t believe posters are project an OPS over 900 for a prospect who hasn’t played any games in majors yet.

    Folks, have you never seen over-hyped Yankees prospects before? after watching them for over 45 years, I take expectations with a grain of salt. Let him do it on the mjors, and let’s see how the team actually uses him before annointing him a HOF plaque.

  132. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    blake February 5th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    LGY,

    Elite bats at premium positions even moreso ….
    ++++++++++++
    Show me.

    Prove that Montero will become everyday catcher on team, before I buy into the hype.

  133. joeman February 5th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    # BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    I can’t believe posters are project an OPS over 900 for a prospect who hasn’t played any games in majors yet.

    Folks, have you never seen over-hyped Yankees prospects before? after watching them for over 45 years, I take expectations with a grain of salt. Let him do it on the mjors, and let’s see how the team actually uses him before annointing him a HOF plaque.
    ————————————————————–

    what I’m saying…….

  134. LGY February 5th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    Harper is 18 years old and has yet to play a game in a real minor league season.

    We are talking about how unproven Montero is and how many years he is going to take to accumulate WAR like Gio Gonzalez, but then we are going to trade him for Bryce Harper.

    A kid who in the absolute best case scenario is 2 years away?

    That doesn’t make any sense.

  135. LGY February 5th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Bojo,

    You do realize you are hyping up an 18 year old in Bryce Harper more than Montero?

  136. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    Let me put it this way. It is perfectly fine to project Montero as highly as you want, but in doing so you are locking yourself out of trades for elite young pitchers, including Gio and Carmona (who might be right belwo elite but are still very, very good). Teams who hold assets that are valuable are going to demand the top prospects in return. It is how GMs keep their jobs.

    Not trading Montero or other top prospects is fine if you are okay with a strategy of waiting until the prospects come up. It could be brilliant and work out very well.

    On the other hand, if like me, you would like to see a rotation with at least 3-4 stud LHPers link CC, Banuelos, Gio, and Santana or Wilson, then you are going to have to bite the bullet and realize that Yankees will have to trade prospects we as fans hold dear…including perhaps Montero or Sanchez, Betances or Brackman, etc.

    I for one wish we could make deals for second tier prospects, but it won’t happen (with exception of Santana where Mets objective will be to move money).

  137. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    LGY February 5th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Bojo,

    You do realize you are hyping up an 18 year old in Bryce Harper more than Montero?
    +++++++++++++++++
    He is the only one I would do it for. I’ve watched numerous tapes of him and believe he is going to be an outstanding player. Like a Wayne Gretzky of hockey. Phenomenal instinct, work ethic, drive, and talent. Plus he will play 162 games per year with that bat.

  138. SJ44 February 5th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Not getting how overhyping Montero is “wrong” yet overhyping a kid like Harper, who not only has not had ONE professional AB yet, and has already been moved off a premium position, is “right”.

  139. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Also, I would go for trading Montero for him now, because he isn’t going to be available in 2 years at any price.

  140. Nick in SF February 5th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    “[Harper's] swing at Yankee Stadium would produce 40+ homers per year”

    “Folks, have you never seen over-hyped Yankees prospects before? after watching them for over 45 years, I take expectations with a grain of salt. Let him do it on the mjors, and let’s see how the team actually uses him before annointing him a HOF plaque.”

  141. SJ44 February 5th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Neither Gio nor Camona are “elite” pitchers.

    No team has a rotTion consisting of 3-4 lefties.

    Heck, you can wait a year, put Banuelos and Betances in the rotation, and the Yankees would have three excellent arms 26 and under AND Montero.

    Seems a more prudent strategy to me.

  142. LGY February 5th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    No one is guaranteeing Montero is a .900 OPS player, but this idea that all prospects are just question marks is just not how it is.

    Montero absolutely has the talent to be a .900 OPS player in the majors. He absolutely has the talent to be one of the elite hitters in the game. His numbers, every single scouting report, the nature of his swing. The entire package shows a kid with elite skills.

    The probability of Montero reaching his ceiling is significantly higher than most prospects.

    A player like Montero is worth finding out if he becomes than offensive force, because if he does you have hit a goldmine.

    Trading prospects for “sure things” every chance you get is a long term losing proposition because these players are not sure things. They got it done before, but as they age and as they leave their prime their skills erode. And of course they are more expensive and close to free agency so you have control of these “sure things” for shorter periods of time.

    A player like Austin Jackson is worth sacrificing for a surer short term bet because his talent is much less and his probability of fulfilling that talent is much less.

    For Montero, unless you are getting a young, team controlled, sure fire stud it is not worth passing up the opportunity of hitting the goldmine and getting an elite bat for his ENTIRE prime.

  143. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    SJ44–

    Overhyping Montero

    –I’ll give you that he will be a great bat…
    –I won’t buy that he will everyday C until I see it, and that he will is overhyping
    –Saying that he will be everyday DH with Jorge and others is also a stretch, so I don’t know how many games he will actually get in to
    –So actual value of him when it is questionable how he will be used is in my miond over hyping

    For Harper
    –I am giving him batting talent. He has shown it in tough national competition where-ever he has played
    –There is no question about him playing full-time in RF…no overhyping there
    –He will play 162 games per year, and there is no question as to his use

    That in my mind is the difference…

  144. LGY February 5th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    Fausto Carmona put up a 102 ERA+ and 4.11 FIP last year after two injury filled 5-6+ ERA seasons.

    He is not even in the stratosphere of elite or anywhere near very, very good.

  145. blake February 5th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    Bojo,

    I can’t prove it….everybody that is good was a prospect at some point. What if the Yanks had taken that approach with Cano?

  146. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    LGY–

    I agree that Carmona isn’t someone who even interests me…but others were talking about him as a target and suggesting he could be had cheaply. Cleveland will demand top prospects like Montero because starting pitching is in demand. That was my point about him.

  147. GreenBeret7 February 5th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    When did CJ Wilson and Gio Gonzalez become “stud left handers”?

  148. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    blake February 5th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    Bojo,

    I can’t prove it….everybody that is good was a prospect at some point. What if the Yanks had taken that approach with Cano?
    ++++++++++++
    And Cano didn’t even have numbers close to Montero. Which proves my point somewhat that player development is a crap shoot where there is no sure thing.

    I thought for sure Joba would be an ace, but was misused to where he has low vlaue. What if htey Yankees jerk arounf Montero because his catching isn’t good enough? I am not saying it will or won’t be–but I am saying there is great risk in prospects that people here are too quickly discounting.

  149. LGY February 5th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    “What if the Yanks had taken that approach with Cano?”

    ——————-

    Probably ended up with some stud like Edwin Jackson.

  150. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 5th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    When did CJ Wilson and Gio Gonzalez become “stud left handers”?
    ++++++++++++++
    Put them in YS with that offense and defense, and they are. I consider AP as one too…I’m talking about a pitcher who can give you 200 IPs and 15-20 wins.

  151. SJ44 February 5th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    He hasn’t had a single professional AB.

    Talented? Absolutely.

    Howver, “tough national competition” is not professional baseball. Far from it.

    Let’s see how he handles being a pro before you assign such loftiness to him.

    Playing 162 games? Doubtful since few players play every game these days.

    Catching is a premium position. Corner OF is not.

    If Montero can deveop into a 100 game catcher per season, and he is certainly talented enough to do it, and DH another 150 AB’s as a DH, he will have as many AB’s as Harper in a given season.

  152. SJ44 February 5th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Neither guy has shown they can put up those numbers, regardless of the stadium they play in.

    Just because they are LH, it doesn’t make them elite.

    It’s also highly doubtful either guy will have an Andy Pettitte-type career.

  153. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    I have to run out for a while…but let me just say that overall I am very happy with the Yankee roster and farm system. There are only perhaps 3-5 players that I would love to see them acquire over the next year or 2, including Gio Gonzales, Johan Santana, Bryce Harper, and maybe Carlos Beltran for a stretch run (in a salary dump by Mets) and BJ Upton at some point.

    I love the fact that Manny Banuelos is a lefty that is arriving soon and will fill a key LHP slot. I’d love to see 3-4 slots in rotation armed by lefties to erase running games that I see becoming a bigger threat.

    I don’t have any worries that Brian will get the job done, but I just feel that people are over-valuing our prospects when considering player trades.

  154. GreenBeret7 February 5th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    I’d prefer to see a little more from Gonzalez and especially Wilson before comparing him to Sabathia or even Pettitte.

  155. joeman February 5th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    could there be a block for Montero getting to the majors

    Martin plays back to a few years ago and is the everyday catcher, Po has a big season at DH and says he likes the DH spot…Yankees sign him for another year or two

  156. BoJo February 5th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    SJ44 February 5th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
    ++++++++++
    I would give Gio more of a chance than Wilson for sure…

    As far as how good he is, we disagree. I’m sure it isn’t the first time (whether Lee would sign with Yankees or not), and I’m sure it won’t be the last ime…but your perspective is always interesting.

    Later!

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