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Red Sox reportedly interested in Aceves

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 06, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

From Nick Cafardo’s latest Sunday notebook:

The Red Sox are looking into Aceves, who was shut down by the Yankees May 8 after hurting his back. Aceves is 14-1 in his career, including 10-1 in 2009 with the Yankees. He was 3-0 last season until his back injury flared up. He would be an injury rehab project but is working out and could provide protection in the bullpen or as a starter.

Check out the full notebook. Cafardo has an item about Andy Pettitte, mentions A.J. Burnett as one of the players most needing to step up this season and once again connects the Yankees to Kevin Millwood.

As for Aceves, the Yankees non-tendered him this winter after a pair of injuries: A lower-back problem that kept flaring up during the season, and a broken left clavicle suffered this offseason in Mexico.

Brian Cashman said early this offseason that the Yankees would like to bring Aceves back on a minor league deal, but that back problem seems to make it difficult to count on him this season and beyond.

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141 Responses to “Red Sox reportedly interested in Aceves”

  1. Nick in SF February 6th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Might he need surgery?

  2. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    What is the exact status of that back problem> ANyone have links? Was he operated on?

  3. Crawdaddy February 6th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    What makes you think he was operated on?

  4. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    I vaguely recall that early on in the injury, an operation was being discussed as an option to bulging discs. I might have “mis-remembered” that though. I don’t recall ever hearing details about treatment or status.

  5. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    By the way, what in “Was he operated on?” gives you the impression that I thought he was operated on?

  6. SAS February 6th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Bojo,

    I answered you in the last thread. Thanks again.

  7. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Crawdaddy, did you use to blog on the NY Times forum about 10 years ago? Your name seems familiar (but I can’t place the face).

  8. yankeefeminista February 6th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Aceves’s surgery was for the left clavicle injury and not for the bulging disc/back problem.

  9. SAS February 6th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    I really don’t like the idea of Aceves going to the RS.

  10. Crawdaddy February 6th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    He was not operated on and the reason why he was released was due to that collarbone injury.

  11. Tom in N.J. February 6th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    He had some sort of surgery after his bike accident.

  12. SAS February 6th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    YankFem,

    I answered you in the last thread. Thank you. You have been most helpful.

  13. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    Fem–what was the treatment for the back? And does anyone else remember Cashman having concerns about resigning him evenbefore the clavicle injury because of his concerns about Ace’s back?

  14. Crawdaddy February 6th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    “Crawdaddy, did you use to blog on the NY Times forum about 10 years ago? Your name seems familiar (but I can’t place the face).”

    Which former NY Times poster are you?

  15. SAS February 6th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Does anyone have interest in the Super Bowl or a rooting interest?

  16. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    SAS February 6th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Bojo,

    I answered you in the last thread. Thanks again.
    ++++++++++++
    Happy to help! I wouldn’t feel too bad about using a cane though. I think people around you would give you more time and demonstrate more civility to you as you move around if you have a cane, or even better, an AK-47.

  17. Crawdaddy February 6th, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    I always have an interest in the Super Bowl. I have no rooting interest this year.

  18. Crawdaddy February 6th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    IMO, I think the Yankees got pissed at Aceves about his bicycle spill and maybe some other stuff we haven’t heard about.

  19. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Ah Craw! I thought so! I ‘ll send a message to Trisha to remind you…but I don’t want to pronounce it here as I had some bad arguments with one of them back then, and left blogging for years due to the bad taste it left.

  20. yankeefeminista February 6th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    SAS February 6th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
    YankFem,

    I answered you in the last thread. Thank you. You have been most helpful.
    ____
    Always glad to help. I contacted Chad as per my last post to you.:)

  21. Mell February 6th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    “Does anyone have interest in the Super Bowl or a rooting interest?”

    I have some interest in the Packers winning by at least 4.

  22. tyanksfan36 February 6th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    SAS

    I hate football but I’m going to a party my brother is hosting and a friend is bringing her new baby. I’m rooting for no one wanting to hold him so I can :)

  23. Crawdaddy February 6th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    I know Trisha is another former NY Times poster, but how is sending her a message going to remind me?

  24. yankeefeminista February 6th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    I am rooting for Green Bay, all the way! I like the city of Pittsburgh and love the Penguins, but I loathe the Steelers.

  25. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Who is the half-time show this year? Will there be any nudity worth watching? :-)

    (Paul McCartney didn’t do it for me.)

  26. SAS February 6th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    It is strange, but I couldn’t care less who wins this year. We are going to a Superbowl party, and I think I will play one of the disinterested women and just chat if I can. Normally, I am on top of the TV and not to miss a play.

  27. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Crawdaddy February 6th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    I know Trisha is another former NY Times poster, but how is sending her a message going to remind me?
    _______________
    Bad presumption on my part that she has your e-mail and can send you info. I’ll have Chad send you my e-mail and then I’ll give you the 411.

  28. J. Alfred Prufrock February 6th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Aceves not being available last season was a big difference maker IMO.Would also hate to see him with the Sox.

  29. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    SAS February 6th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    It is strange, but I couldn’t care less who wins this year. We are going to a Superbowl party, and I think I will play one of the disinterested women and just chat if I can. Normally, I am on top of the TV and not to miss a play.
    ++++++++++++
    Seems like a bad angle to watch the game from.

  30. Tom in N.J. February 6th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    As I get older, I’m finding that my interest in football wanes.

  31. Rich in NJ February 6th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    BoJo

    “EXCEPT in case where Cashman doesn’t see him getting playing time.

    “Thus, if in year 1, he only played 60 games as back-up C, and say 20 as DH…and if that continued for 2-3 years because Martin blocks his path, and then Snchez takes over, Montero is significantly devalued.”

    That may be an argument in favor of trading him, but not for a rental of Lee.

    Again, if he hits as projected, IOW, a .900ish OPS, he really can’t be devalued all that much.

    “Will that happen? Who knows? I was sorely disappointed on how they used Hughes, Kennedy, and Joba, and even Gardner in year 1. I don’t think it is ever safe to assume a Yankee prospect will be given a clear shot at full-time play when there is competition for the job.”

    Which is the glaring weakness in the way Yankees do business, especially as the aging core begins to exit the scene.

  32. Nick in SF February 6th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    The absolute best outcome would be for the Packers to win by 3.5 points but fewer than 12.5 points or at least lose by fewer than 7 points and for the total to be over 35 points but under 56 points.

    Go teams!

    Cal star Aaron Rodgers earning Super Bowl MVP would be nice too.

  33. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock February 6th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Aceves not being available last season was a big difference maker IMO.Would also hate to see him with the Sox.
    ++++++++++++++
    I’d be fine with it if his back keeps him sidelined all year.

    But I seem to recall that he really wanted to come back to Yankees even after being non-tendered. I think he really likes it in Bronx.

  34. SAS February 6th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Don’t get me wrong both teams are really good this year….no complaints about that. I used to loathe both teams, but they have different personnel, and I just can’t get excited one way or the other.

  35. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Nick in SF February 6th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    The absolute best outcome would be for the Packers to win by 3.5 points but fewer than 12.5 points or at least lose by fewer than 7 points and for the total to be over 35 points but under 56 points.
    +++++++++++++
    I suspect that they are playing to a strategy that supports that goal.

  36. yankeefeminista February 6th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
    Fem–what was the treatment for the back? And does anyone else remember Cashman having concerns about resigning him evenbefore the clavicle injury because of his concerns about Ace’s back?
    __________
    I don’t know the specific treatment, just know that “treatment and rest” were prescribed. Treatment could have been anything from icing to physical therapy to acupuncture to injections, although I hope not the latter. He was presumably supposed to play winter ball until he hurt the clavicle. However, I’d think the rest would have done him good. More I cannot say.

  37. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Rich in NJ February 6th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Which is the glaring weakness in the way Yankees do business, especially as the aging core begins to exit the scene.
    +++++++++++
    Bingo. I think you just succinctly summarized the whole point I was trying to make about my worries regarding Montero.

    Next up: Chess.

  38. yankeefeminista February 6th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    & I would also hate to see Ace on the Sawx.

  39. Mell February 6th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    “for the total to be over 35 points but under 56 points’

    Leaning towards making a small investment in OVER 45.5.

  40. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    yankeefeminista February 6th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    I don’t know the specific treatment, just know that “treatment and rest” were prescribed. Treatment could have been anything from icing to physical therapy to acupuncture to injections, although I hope not the latter. He was presumably supposed to play winter ball until he hurt the clavicle. However, I’d think the rest would have done him good. More I cannot say.
    +++++++++++
    I always worry about back problems and backs in general. I find it is very hard to play without them.

  41. J. Alfred Prufrock February 6th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock February 6th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Aceves not being available last season was a big difference maker IMO.Would also hate to see him with the Sox.
    ++++++++++++++
    I’d be fine with it if his back keeps him sidelined all year.

    But I seem to recall that he really wanted to come back to Yankees even after being non-tendered. I think he really likes it in Bronx.
    ///
    yea I also recall his fondness for being a yank.we at least have a lot of good arms to fill in.Boston has to chase our injured system pitchers for quality,lol.

  42. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Does anyone recall another pitcher having similar back problems and coming back successfully? I know I have heard of similar problem, but can’t even recall the pitchers who suffered.

  43. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Watching a race first hand between losing one’s memory or one’s mind is no fun.

  44. SAS February 6th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Yes, there have been pitchers who have come back. I cannot tell you their names….BUT since back problems are my problem, I can tell you from first hand experience that you can have good years after a back incident, but it will roar its ugly head again at some point…I am assuming it is not just a pulled muscle or something of that nature.

  45. Bronx Jeers February 6th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    If Cashman wanted to invite a guy to camp with a balky back that keeps them off the field for extended periods he could have just as easily invited Eric Chavez.

    Oh wait…

  46. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    You can forget about Montero walking a lot to get his OPS up to your satisfaction on a regular basis. His walk totals will be in the range of Cano’s.

  47. Mell February 6th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    “You can forget about Montero walking a lot to get his OPS up”

    I’ll settle for him slugging a lot to get his OPS up.

  48. yankeefeminista February 6th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
    yankeefeminista February 6th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    I don’t know the specific treatment, just know that “treatment and rest” were prescribed. Treatment could have been anything from icing to physical therapy to acupuncture to injections, although I hope not the latter. He was presumably supposed to play winter ball until he hurt the clavicle. However, I’d think the rest would have done him good. More I cannot say.
    +++++++++++
    I always worry about back problems and backs in general. I find it is very hard to play without them.
    ______
    Sometimes playing with a damaged one is just as problematic. ;) I would hope Aceves addresses whatever the structural issue is, if that is the case. Otherwise, I fear it will again rear its ugly head when he starts pitching.

    As per your question regarding come back from one, I don’t know of current players coming back successfully. I know one plagued Sheets, Leighton… Were they in the neck though, and not the back? Randy Johnson had one in the mid 90′s that he came back from; however, I don’t recall how severe it was, whether that was one of his chronic injury problems or not, but he obviously was durable over time.

    Anyway, I am heading outside to see if it is truly a balmy 43 degrees out here in the NJ countryside… Later.

  49. yankeefeminista February 6th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    *coming* back

  50. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    The Yankees haven’t given the starting catcher’s spot to a rookie since Thurman Munson, so I don’t think that’s changing any time soon. That doesn’t mean that Montero won’t be the front liner in year 2.

  51. upstate kate February 6th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    I hope Ace returns to the Yankees, I like him.

    My husband has had back problems for many years. It does not stop him from skiing, running, biking etc, he just has to be careful. Shoveling snow however is very bad, w/ the lifting and twisting. Which is why I have spent my day clearing the driveway :(

  52. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    The Yankees haven’t given the starting catcher’s spot to a rookie since Thurman Munson, so I don’t think that’s changing any time soon. That doesn’t mean that Montero won’t be the front liner in year 2.
    ++++++++++++++
    And what if Martin bats 300BA/380OBP with 15 HRs, and 75 RBI and 2 Gold Gloves in the meantime? Is Montero still a sure thing if his path is blocked?

  53. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    And what if Sanchez is available in year 3 as well.

    You are assuming Montero will be valued as a C for only (perhaps) 1 full season in total, and then as a DH.

  54. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    In that case, they’ll still split the job. Not likely that Martin reaches those numbers, though and Montero will still be in NY this season. His bat will be more valuable than Martin’s glove and bat.

  55. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    I repeat my point (aided by clarification from Rich):

    Show me that Montero is going to get significant playing time before I agree to him having a high WAR valuation. On other teams, he probably would for sure, but not on Yankees. I remain skeptical about his future.

  56. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    GB&–I hope you are right, as I would truly love to see that. But I remain skeptical until I see him getting the chance.

  57. Tom in N.J. February 6th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    If Montero’s bat is as good as they say, putting him at DH would not be a bad thing.

  58. Betsy February 6th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    J Alfred, Thank you for your comments in my defense. If Big Al disputed my opinion, he could have responded civilly and we could have had a discussion. However, that wasn’t his goal….clearly.

    Craw, I’m sure you weren’t taking sides, but your comment did imply that it was “me” again. I’m sorry, but I don’t like my friends or family yelling at me – I sure as heck don’t want some faceless stranger on a board doing it.

  59. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    Sanchez just fished time in his highest level. 3 years is really pushing it. If he’s ready, Montero and Sanchez will share DH and catching duties. Will one of them work at other positions? Who knows? They haven’t yet, but, whatever the case, there’s 29 other teams that would kill for that problem of finding a spot for those bats.

  60. 108 stitches February 6th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    I’ll make a bold Super Bowl prediction.

    A team from a city north of the Mason-Dixon line will hoist the Super Bowl trophy no later than 11:00 PM.

  61. Betsy February 6th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    If the Sox sign Ace, so be it – it just means they are perhaps more willing to take a chance on him than the Yankees are. The Yankees know more about his back situation than anyone – and when is it that he can pitch given his shoulder injury?

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock February 6th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    sure Betsy,just called it like I saw it :D.

  63. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    It is specifically because of the nature of the C job on Yankees that makes me skeptical. The Yankees were able to hand Cano 2B job because the competition was limited and it was not as strategically important to have a good glove and bat there. Same for Gardner and Melky in CF.

    If the Yankees acquired Bryce Harper for Montero, I feel confident that they would let him take over RF when promoted, and the lag-jam would be averted by trading Swisher.

    But the C role is huge from a strategic POV…and it might be hard to win the position from the competition. I certainly don’t see him waltzing in and taking the full time job.

  64. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Sanchez just fished time in his highest level.

    Short season rookie ball. Let him start shaving first. He can’t even go to a bar for 3 years.

  65. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Betsy–Ace’s shoulder injury is on non-pitching side…NBD

  66. SAS February 6th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Bojo,

    I tend to agree with you about Montero, but I have never seen play so I am being unfair. I tend to think that the Yankees want a catcher who is top notch at that with a decent bat. Over the years, going back before Yogi, the Yankees have always seemed to have catchers who hit well which is most unusual.

    Since there are so many catchers behind Montero who haven’t had the chance to prove anything yet, it is possible that his catching days will be numbered. The DH spot is usually for older players who hit well and for average so I can’t tell what will happen yet with Montero.

    I think this is one of the reasons Montero’s name keeps coming up in trade situations.

    We cannot have a full time catcher like last year. Games were lost due to Cervelli and Posada at the end of the year.

  67. michaels07 February 6th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    It`s up to Cash, not us fans to decide

  68. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Gb7–

    Forget the exact timeline–I think you understand my point…As a C, Montero has great value, but it is doubtful that he is a full-time C. As a DH, his value goes down by several wins.

    The specific WAR wins value he generates may be less than his potential only because of how he is used

  69. backbench February 6th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    “If Cashman wanted to invite a guy to camp with a balky back that keeps them off the field for extended periods he could have just as easily invited Eric Chavez.”

    See also, Lee, Cliff. As stated before, there is a real possibility that the NYYs missing out on Lee will be seen as a positive in the long run.

    As for ‘Ace,’ his back was pretty much back to strength before the end of the season but getting him on the team was problematic from a roster point of view.

    If Cashman had better options than Aceves for the long reliever or even #5 spot, that’s one thing, but his penchant for the likes of Colon are starting to be worrisome.

  70. Betsy February 6th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    Bojo, that’s right, but it’s still going to take time to recover. Anyway, all the above says is that the Sox are looking into Ace – I’m sure they’re looking into a lot of players

  71. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Betsy February 6th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    Bojo, that’s right, but it’s still going to take time to recover. Anyway, all the above says is that the Sox are looking into Ace – I’m sure they’re looking into a lot of players
    +++++++++++++++
    Yep.

    And hopefully that lot is at Walmart’s.

  72. SAS February 6th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    backbench,

    If Aceves were healthy, he would have been very important to the Yankees, especially if he could be a starter in the 5 spot. That’s exactly what they need. They need starting pitching.

  73. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    I don’t give a damned about some stupid and imaginary number like “WAR”. All I care about is run production and decent defense.

  74. backbench February 6th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    SAS, You are exactly right. Aceves IS important to the Yankees. Did he make a mistake riding a bicycle in the off season. History would say yes. Is it some massive infraction that the FO is right in using to justify keeping him at arm’s length?

    The clavacle injury was to his left (non-pitching) shoulder as I noted weeks ago. He is in Tampa on his own initiative getting ready for ST. He is a quality pitcher who has faced the best the AL East has to offer. That has a lot to do with why the RS want him.

    I see this as a Cashman disciplinary move akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face.

  75. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    I don’t give a damned about some stupid and imaginary number like “WAR”. All I care about is run production and decent defense.
    +++++++++++++++
    Which you cna’t do if you are not playing…same point applies whether you care about that analytical perspective or not.

  76. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    SAS February 6th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    backbench,

    If Aceves were healthy, he would have been very important to the Yankees, especially if he could be a starter in the 5 spot. That’s exactly what they need. They need starting pitching.
    ++++++++++++++++
    I suspect that if Cashman felt his back was 100%, he would be signed by now.

  77. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    backbench February 6th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    I see this as a Cashman disciplinary move akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face.
    ++++++++++++
    I hope you are wrong. I would be really surprised and disappointed if true.

    I think he just wants to see a healthy pitcher before he signs him. I would expect him to be in touch with Ace’s agent to let him know they want tim back once healthy.

  78. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    I don’t give a damned about some stupid and imaginary number like “WAR”. All I care about is run production and decent defense.
    +++++++++++++
    Were you being sarcastic and I missed it? Cuz that kinda is the definition of WAR…

  79. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    So, now because the yanks brought in a place holder and an insurance policy for Montero, that means that he won’t get playing time? Not sure who thinks this crap up. I’m finished with it. Go pad King James’ and the rest of his paid lackeys wallets and be one of his suckers in his scam to sell books.

  80. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    That place holder and insurance policy is a former gold glove winner and all star who as recently as 2 years ago was considered one of the premium catchers in the game.

    It isn’t like they signed Jose Molina to start in front of him.

    If you don’t wish to discuss it, that’s fine. But calling it crap just shows your frustration in that you can’t argue effectively against it.

    It’s a simple point…because of the abundance of catchers with potential, there is no guarantee that Montero will ever be full time C in Bronx, and therefore his value decreases. Once his value decreases, Cashman may decide to move him for a player none of us would want if we value him as a full-time catcher.

    It’s not rocket science.

  81. Ruby Tuesday February 6th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    What is that big game that is supposed to happen tonight ?

    Is it the Magic versus the Celtics ?

  82. 108 stitches February 6th, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    Anybody that hasn’t seen Montero in person will soon be amazed at how high and far he hits a ball to all parts of the field.
    WAR or any other sabermetric won’t count for a damned thing once his bat is dropped on the ground and he circles the bases.

  83. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    108 stitches February 6th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
    +++++++++++++
    Again, I am not discounting his ability one bit. I’ll presume he can hit 400 with 70 Homers and 200RBI if it makes you happy.

    My point has nothing to do with his ceiling or ability…It is all about how the Yankees use him and give him the chance to play given other options. Lou Gehrig had very little value until Wally pipp took a day off.

  84. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    In early 1925, the Yankees offered to trade Gehrig to the Boston Red Sox for first baseman Phil Todt to repay Boston for the blockbuster Babe Ruth trade a few years earlier. The Red Sox turned the Yankees down.

  85. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    Romine and Murphy are less likely to be yankee catchers than Montero and Sanchez. As far as Martin spending years as the Yankees’ front line catcher, forget it. I called it what it is…crap. Some idiot comes up with the idea to sell books and decides how many wins a player is responsible for? It’s as useless as the GWRBI was or as useless as having some pimple faced, pizza stuffing geek determining who can get to a ball or not.

  86. SAS February 6th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    108,

    It is my fondest wish that he blows me away. Right now all I hear about is his bat and not his catching ability, which from my point of view is the most important fielding position. What I saw from our catchers last summer was sad to say the least.

    I am unaccustomed to seeing Yankee catchers who have a million passed ball, etc. Posada, was terrific for years even if he couldn’t get out every runner. All I want from a catcher is that he be that good.

  87. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    Romine and Murphy are less likely to be yankee catchers than Montero and Sanchez. As far as Martin spending years as the Yankees’ front line catcher, forget it. I called it what it is…crap. Some idiot comes up with the idea to sell books and decides how many wins a player is responsible for? It’s as useless as the GWRBI was or as useless as having some pimple faced, pizza stuffing geek determining who can get to a ball or not.
    ++++++++++++++++++
    I’ll grant you that I don’t believe Romine or Murphy will be here in 5 years, but I think Martin is a big unknown, and I have no idea whether or not Sanchez will truly pan out. But If Martin has a Nick Swisher-type career resurgence, all bets for Montero are off at C. And doubly so if Sanchez is the real deal.

    As far as your views on WAR, feel free to believe whatever you want. I used it as one way to make a case, but the same point applies with or without it. Players don’t generate great value unless they have the opportunity to play. And the same offensive production at DH is worth a lot more if it comes from C, and same C numbers are worth less if at DH.

  88. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    SAS,

    Montero is still learning the finer arts of catching. His main issue isn’t calling games, handling the pitchers or pitches or arm strength. It’s footwork. Girardi, Pena, Posada, Wynegar and the Yankee front office are very surprised at his advancements made on defence since his first year.

    The footwork is improving, but, footwork is a problem for a lot of young players, especially catchers. They learn if they’re taught. He’s not likely to ever be a Gold Glover, but, then, he’s not likely to be at the Piazza level either…somewhere around the younger Posada version is more likely and acceptable. It’s the bat that sets him apart from others.

  89. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    GB7–

    BTW, this whole point is predicated on an assumption that there is risk in assuming how much Montero can catch and how good Martin will be, and how soon Sanchez will be ready. If Martin sucks and Montero wins the starting C position. obviously he goes on to become Lou Gehrig because he got his chance.

    And chance is the exact correct word, because his future at this point is all based on chance. Martin’s performace, Romine’s progression, Sanchez development, etc.

  90. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Then there is just as good of a chance that Martin won’t be able to get out of a crouch or hit his weight. That will shoot your theories on a player that you’ve barely if ever seen, all to hell.

    frankly, I’m not so sure about your talent to see much above Bill James’ ass when you decided that trading Montero + for Gonzalez was a great idea.

  91. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 6th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Lotsa talk here all the time about WAR and other like statistics. Never paid them any heed – I’m totally old school.

    A player drives in runs, score runs, get hits, and his team wins or loses the game when they score more runs than the other team. Period.

    However I’m of an open mind today, so I’d like to pose a question to anyone out there interested, who is a fan of the new stats …

    Which one of these “new age” statistics explains any of the following:

    – Jacoby Ellsbury, batting leadoiff in a potent lineup, steals 120 bases over 2 seasons. Yet he has never scored 100 runs in a season (98 and 94). On the other hand, Brett Gardner, BATTING NINTH, scores 97 runs in his first season as a regular.

    – Derek Jeter has the worst season of his career, seeing his BA plummet 64 points. Yet, he produces 13 more runs than the season before (runs scored + RBIs – HRs).

    – How can ARod have had such an underwhelming season (by seemingly all accounts), yet he drove in 125 runs … MVP awards have been won with less.

    – In a season in which these new stats make even a pitcher’s WIN total take a back seat … what is the difference between Felix Hernandez winning the CYA by going 13-12 for a team that went 61-101 … versus Steve Carlton winning the CYA by going 27-10 for a team that went 59-97? Yes, I know Carlton pitched in a 4-man rotation and got 41 starts … it still doesn’t come close to accounting for the huge difference in RESULTS (read: WINS).

  92. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    texas seems to be playing the role of the Red Sox in using, abusing and discarding their players. No wonder Lee had them third on the list. That won’t go over well with potential FAs and their own players.

    “Michael Young Wants Out Of Texas
    By Steve Adams [February 6 at 3:08pm CST]
    After hearing his name in countless trade rumors and seeing his infield position filled by Adrian Beltre, Michael Young has “grown disillusioned with his diminished role” on the Rangers and wants out of Texas, according to Yahoo’s Tim Brown. According to Brown, Texas has told Young that they will push to trade him in the coming days.

    The Rockies and Angels remain the primary potential destinations for Young. Any trade would have to include salary relief, as he’s owed $48MM over the next three years. Young would likely slot in as the everyday second baseman in Colorado or the everyday third baseman in LA, though Texas would probably prefer to avoid dealing him within the division. We heard yesterday that Jose Lopez would be a part of Colorado’s latest offer.

    Young’s name originally hit the trade rumor circuit back at the Winter Meetings when he was first connected to the Rockies. The longtime Ranger has a lifetime .300/.347/.448 slash line and has played second base, shortstop, and third base regularly at various points throughout his career.”

  93. 108 stitches February 6th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    SAS February 6th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
    108,

    It is my fondest wish that he blows me away. Right now all I hear about is his bat and not his catching ability, which from my point of view is the most important fielding position. What I saw from our catchers last summer was sad to say the least.

    I am unaccustomed to seeing Yankee catchers who have a million passed ball, etc. Posada, was terrific for years even if he couldn’t get out every runner. All I want from a catcher is that he be that good.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    As GB-7 points out, Montero is not likely to be a Gold Glover but has made good defensive improvement by working hard. His bat should speak for itself.
    Down the road it can be envisioned that he and Gary Sanchez could be the one-two punch.
    Russell Martin at this point is an unknown and to a degree, Cervelli. There’s also Austin Romine to consider and he’ll have the better part of a full year at AAA unless he figures in a deal for a pitcher.

  94. Joe from Long Island February 6th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Dionysius – be careful; some people’s heads may explode. ;)

  95. SAS February 6th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    GB,

    Good day.

    If what you say is true, and I have no reason to doubt you, I will welcome him with open arms. I think it is great that we were able to get Martin, and I hope he is as good as he was also. As you know, you can’t have too much insurance at these positions. For the moment, if Montero is as good as you say, they can break him in a catcher, without the whole load being put on him all at once.

    He can also DH at times. Hopefully Posada will be a fine DH, but sometimes a different kind of hitter is what is called for. In the mean time a healthy Martin allows Montero to break in and he may be a tradeable ‘commodity’ if Montero works out as you have said.

    I could care less about WAR, sabermetrics and the rest as you know. I only know what I see, and that is imperfect.

    We are going to a Superbowl party so I have to get ready. I’d rather stay home this evening. In any case, I agree with both you and Bojo. Time will tell. We are lucky to have all these catchers in waiting.

    I wish we had a SS or 2 in waiting, as well as 3rd Baseman, etc.

  96. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Then there is just as good of a chance that Martin won’t be able to get out of a crouch or hit his weight. That will shoot your theories on a player that you’ve barely if ever seen, all to hell.

    frankly, I’m not so sure about your talent to see much above Bill James’ ass when you decided that trading Montero + for Gonzalez was a great idea
    ++++++++++++++++++
    I have never proclaimed that Martin would do anything. I am simply saying there is an element of chance that he blocks Montero if he has a comeback year.

    I don’t read James’ stuff, and haven’t looked at it in years. Your misunderstanding of the point I was making makes me wonder about your ability to conduct an intelligent conversation…My point again was simply that many here are placing a very high value on Montero when there are chances that may block his path…thus decreasing his value to the team. In that case, IF HE WON’T GET THE OPPORTUNITY HERE, then trading him for a 25 year old lefty who is already winning 15 games and pitching 200 innings makes sense.

    I have seen a tendency by you to attack others with insults when frustrated in a debate. I try not to do that with others, but have no respect for those who do.

    Let’s start over again and be civil. I have no interest in forming pissing contests with others here.

  97. tyanksfan36 February 6th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    GB7

    The only thing I remember about Martin is in the game where Cano hit the 2 run homerun and they came back to win it against the dodgers, Martin threw a hissy fit and got ejected from the game when it was already over for arguing a called strike by Mariano Rivera. Seems he will fit right in with Mr. Moody Jorge Posada.

  98. SAS February 6th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Young should go to the Rockies. He kills the Yankees.

  99. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    SAS, I look at Martin as insurance and a place holder, like garcia and Colon. Not long term answers. The only difference is about $9 mil over 2 years max. He’s playing the Girardi role for Posada..teacher, helper. If he can’t buy into that, the Yankees will unload him in a big hurray.

    Montero’s gotten a bad rap since signing, while Romine was the heir apparrent. He hasn’t improved since his signing. He’s either too unathletic, too big, too slow, too uncoordinated. None of that is true. He’s just young…really young, but, he works hard and he works long before and after games to learn This was the first year that he had a real catcher working with him all year. I like Romine’s bat, but, with that and his athletic ability, I can see him learning other positions on the 4 corners as well as catching..much like Brandon Inge, or going a long way back, Ellie Howard. He’s still not bad, but, he is not head and shoulders above Montero.

  100. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    ***big hurry***

  101. West Coast Yankee Fan February 6th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    What a joke the Wilpons are. It’s an insult to intelligent people everywhere that they would have us think any business person would not question the legality of an 18% return.

    Where this gets interesting is whether to satisfy a judgment or a settlement, the Wilpons have to divest themselves of the Mets. Selig and baseball will have to step in here sooner rather than later to insure a viable, well funded National League team continues to exist in New York. Selig’s problem though is that unlike the legal system, he cannot force them to sell.

  102. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    tyanksfan36 February 6th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    GB7

    The only thing I remember about Martin is in the game where Cano hit the 2 run homerun and they came back to win it against the dodgers, Martin threw a hissy fit and got ejected from the game when it was already over for arguing a called strike by Mariano Rivera. Seems he will fit right in with Mr. Moody Jorge Posada.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    not sure what Martin’s issues, if any, were in LA, but, I really don’t care, as long as he left them in LA. Lot of unpleasant things being said about him over the last couple of years, but, as far as I’m concerned, he starts clean, here. Manny Ramirez and Lastings Milledge are the only ones that I’d protest against if acquired.

  103. Joe from Long Island February 6th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Hi, GB –

    Montero, Romine, and the others will determine their own fate. With their skills and abilities, Cash and the Yankees will give them every opportunity to find their place that maximizes their talents. Just takes patience.

  104. RhapsodyInBlue February 6th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    I never would have imagined that the Rangers would ever have parted with Michael Young.

    Looks like winning with the new ownership is the bottom line, no old timers games in Texas for the foreseeable future.

    And the way they did it, Michael Young kicked to the curb.

  105. 108 stitches February 6th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    IMO, even if Montero doesn’t go north to start the season, he’ll be one of the very final cuts in spring training. My reasoning ? By the last 10-12 games of the exhibition schedule, pitchers are almost fully stretched and throwing more innings.
    The Yankees will give him as many chances as possible to catch what will likely be the pitchers going north. At the same time, he’ll be getting at bats against better quality pitching from opponents.

  106. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    I have seen a tendency by you to attack others with insults when frustrated in a debate. I try not to do that with others, but have no respect for those who do.

    Let’s start over again and be civil. I have no interest in forming pissing contests with others here.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    That wasn’t an insult. I just don’t accept or trust your judgement. You’re wanting to trade the best bat the yankees have developed in 40 years for a pitcher that’s been traded 3 times since he was signed. He’s had one good season out of 3, pitching in a fairly weak division and in an airport. Excuse me for being skeptical.

  107. Tar February 6th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Bojo

    If Montero is the real deal, How good or bad Martin is secondary. The Yankees would have to be incredibly remiss if they do not give Jesus every opportunity to take that job and keep it. Not rushing him or putting undue pressure on him at this point seems to be the prudent course.

    Or In other words- if Montero plays to his potential he will be the one blocking Martin, not the other way around.

  108. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Joe, good afternoon. Hope all is well and you’re not still living inside your refrigerator (although, it’s well stocked so you won’t starve). Let me know if the light really does go off when the door closes.

    Romine is one of those catchers that may think about position changes while still holding onto his catcher’s mitt. He seems to run out of gas late in the seasons. I’ve mentioned a Brandon Inge like athletic ability, though, not sure that he could play center field for long stretches like Inge. Love his bat and foot speed. He could steal 15+ bases a year with low CS. Murphy’s another with that ability, though, in this system, right field is more likely. I’ve seen Sanchez about 15 times, but, not enough to really judge, but, he looks great behind the dish and with a bat. Such problems to have, huh?

    As you say…it takes patience. Montero is still just 20 and Romine is only 21. Sanchez is still just 18. Insanity. The pitching coming up fast is in the same boat. So many and so good, and losing some will hurt, but all have really good value. Just need to be selective on which are the best and bite the bullet on trades of the others.

  109. Mell February 6th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    OT, but Dallas and the NFL are having a bad week. 6,000 – 9,000 tickets sold for temporary seats that they’ve just announced are not ready. They’re committing to refund 3X face value, when many of the ticket holders paid 4 to 6 times face. Gonna be some pissed people down there.

  110. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    RhapsodyInBlue February 6th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
    I never would have imagined that the Rangers would ever have parted with Michael Young.

    Looks like winning with the new ownership is the bottom line, no old timers games in Texas for the foreseeable future.

    And the way they did it, Michael Young kicked to the curb.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Ugly situation. This has Mike Lowell all over it. They’ll play Hell keeping players like Kinsler, Cruz and Hamilton ther for long term.

  111. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Again, and for perhaps the tenth time, I am not knocking Montero’s ability. He could be the next Lou Gehrig. I hope he gets the chance here.

    What I am concerned about and tried to point out is that he might not get the chance here totally apart from his abilities.

    We can all hope that his bat will win the C role, but already Cashman has given the top slot to Martin. If Martin is decent, he will probably also start next year. This is beyond Montero’s control.

    My other point was not that I advocate pushing to trade Montero for Gio, but that it would not surprise me if Cashman doesn’t value him as highly as others here and thus makes such a trade. My POV was that if he wasn’t going to give Montero a chance, I would support such a trade because we we just be seeing another Joba situation where an immense talent is handled poorly and loses value.

    GB7–I think you are reading my statements to mean that I want to pro-actively move Montero, but that is not the case. I personally hope he becomes the DH and back-up catcher to Sanchez by 2014, and the 2 of them form a sold tandem for years to come.

    I also think you interpreted my reply to a question as to whom I would trade him for (Harper) as another case of me pushing for his trade. That is incorrect. I was saying that IF he were to be traded, who would I want to get for him…

    Perhaps I didn’t state this as clearly as I presumed I did. I hope this clears up my position.

  112. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    I haven’t seen a ST schedule, yet. anybody know how many split squad games are scheduled? I know they can add them late, but, I’d be schedulaing at least 10.

  113. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 6th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    I don’t bet, I wouldn’t know where to begin or how to do it. I don’t totally understand what under and over are, yada yada yada. I’d just as soon give my money to charity than to pay it to some bookie joint or whatever they are.

    That said, I am going to pretend to make a bet. If I were a betting person, I would put down $1000 on the Steelers. So when the game is over we’ll see whether I’m richer or poorer! I also don’t understand the difference between a straight bet and some other kind, but let’s pretend that I’m putting my $1000 down on a bet that will make me the richest if the Steelers win. Wait, I can figure that out. Straight bet means I am betting that the Steelers win the game, it doesn’t matter by how many points. Then the over/under bet goes with a point spread. I think I got that right.

    Okay, straight bet for $1000 on the Steelers. How much cybermoney do I win if the Steelers win? Anybody?

  114. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Tar February 6th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Bojo

    If Montero is the real deal, How good or bad Martin is secondary. The Yankees would have to be incredibly remiss if they do not give Jesus every opportunity to take that job and keep it. Not rushing him or putting undue pressure on him at this point seems to be the prudent course.

    Or In other words- if Montero plays to his potential he will be the one blocking Martin, not the other way around.
    +++++++++
    I hope you are right…I was greatly disappointed withJoba and how it worked out for hm..and perhaps I am slightly down on the FO as a result.

  115. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Montero has been offered for only the two best pitchers in baseball. That’s his value, but, that doesn’t include a 2nd tier pitcher like Gonzalez. You’ve spent the last week harping on a deal for those two. What else would someone think? You get on a subject and hang on to it as bad as Bret The Non-Hitman and Chip. You run it into the ground.

  116. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 6th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    By the way, and in true fashion, I am going with the team that most people think will lose! Al least for the last two days on EEI, everyone’s been predicting the Packers. So I want the Steelers. Plus I think they have as a good a chance as the Packers and if they do win, little Tommy Boy will be overshadowed by Big Ben. Something about a new dynasty or something. That definitely works for me.

    :)

  117. Mell February 6th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    “Ugly situation. This has Mike Lowell all over it.”

    Oddly, it is Adrian Beltre who was signed on to replace both guys, thus rendering them expendable.

    Lowell really couldn’t play anymore, but the Young thing is puzzling. Still has a heck of a bat and could be a key contributor.

  118. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 6th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
    I don’t bet, I wouldn’t know where to begin or how to do it. I don’t totally understand what under and over are, yada yada yada. I’d just as soon give my money to charity than to pay it to some bookie joint or whatever they are.

    That said, I am going to pretend to make a bet. If I were a betting person, I would put down $1000 on the Steelers. So when the game is over we’ll see whether I’m richer or poorer! I also don’t understand the difference between a straight bet and some other kind, but let’s pretend that I’m putting my $1000 down on a bet that will make me the richest if the Steelers win. Wait, I can figure that out. Straight bet means I am betting that the Steelers win the game, it doesn’t matter by how many points. Then the over/under bet goes with a point spread. I think I got that right.

    Okay, straight bet for $1000 on the Steelers. How much cybermoney do I win if the Steelers win? Anybody?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Trisha, I’m good at this stuff. I’ll bet your house and life savings (for a small handling charge).

    As Yogi said: “Green Bay 23-20. The best team wins, but Pittsburgh might win, too.”

  119. 108 stitches February 6th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
    I haven’t seen a ST schedule, yet. anybody know how many split squad games are scheduled? I know they can add them late, but, I’d be schedulaing at least 10.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    32 games + 6 split squad games. Anybody getting extra work can get some when the AAA – AA – and A teams have their exhibition schedule after about March 18th.

  120. Mell February 6th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Roethlisberger is such a shyte human being, it’s hard not to pull for the Packers.

  121. Mell February 6th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    “Okay, straight bet for $1000 on the Steelers. How much cybermoney do I win if the Steelers win? Anybody?”

    $1,200.00

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 6th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    GB – :lol:

    I just put the game on and 4 guys (don’t know their names but one is Bradshaw) picked the Packers and Bradshaw picked the Steelers.

    GO STEELERS!

    (wasn’t Bradshaw a Steeler? If so that might explain his pick!)

  123. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Mell February 6th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
    “Ugly situation. This has Mike Lowell all over it.”

    Oddly, it is Adrian Beltre who was signed on to replace both guys, thus rendering them expendable.

    Lowell really couldn’t play anymore, but the Young thing is puzzling. Still has a heck of a bat and could be a key contributor.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    it was more about the way it was handled. He at least deserved to pick a team that he preferred after being their best player for years and bounced all over the infield to accomidate the team. Hard to believe that about 12 years ago, Toronto gave him up for next to nothing (Esteban Loaiza before he was good)

  124. BoJo February 6th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Montero has been offered for only the two best pitchers in baseball. That’s his value, but, that doesn’t include a 2nd tier pitcher like Gonzalez. You’ve spent the last week harping on a deal for those two. What else would someone think? You get on a subject and hang on to it as bad as Bret The Non-Hitman and Chip. You run it into the ground.
    +++++++
    Only because people kept responding and asking about it. I was perfectly willing to change the topic from acquiring Gio, to the question about whom we would like to get IF we traded Montero, to a discussion about whether Montero would ever achieve full value if he wasn’t given a chance to play. To me, those are different topics–and they seemed to have generated discussion, so I kept discussing.

  125. Joe from Long Island February 6th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    RhapsodyinBlue – yeah, I know Young has a big money contract, so he’s not exactly on the soup line. But still, anybody, let alone a professional athlete, has an ego and would I think it would be natural to be hurt by treatment like that. You go all out for an organization, only to be pushed out when they no longer need/want you. For industry, regardless what the industry is, loyalty is a one-way street.

    GB – it is insane. These kids are so young, yet we’ve been hearing about them for what seems like ages. I guess in this day, with fans having so much access, good players will be known younger and younger, thus raising expectations. For Romine, I wouldn’t be surprised if he spends all this year at AAA, and maybe even part of next year, as they try to find his niche.

    Can’t wait for baseball.

  126. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 6th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    $1200? That’s it???? What do you get if the Packers win? $1???

    I guess people must put big big big big big money on the games if for $1000 all you get back is $1200!

    Oops. Does that include your $1000, or do you get back in your hand $2200?

  127. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Thanks, 108. Much appreciated.

  128. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Trisha, thought you’d like a little Yogi-Talk. Never a wrong time for Yogi-Talk.

  129. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 6th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    I actually like the Packers and think Rodgers has been great, but I feel bad that nobody seems to be talking up the Steelers, almost like they don’t have a shot. So I have to take them, Big Ben notwithstanding. After all, the team is more than Rothlesberger.

  130. Mell February 6th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    “Oops. Does that include your $1000, or do you get back in your hand $2200?”

    The latter. And now it’s down to $1150.

    $1000 on the Packers gets you about $750

  131. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 6th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    Absolutely LOVE what the NFL is doing right now. God bless the men and women who are out there fighting for freedom and keeping our country safe so that we might be able to sit back peacefully and watch the Super Bowl if that’s what we want to do.

    GOD BLESS OUR MILITARY!

  132. Tom in N.J. February 6th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    Why are NFL folks reading the Declaration of Independence on Fox?

  133. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    GB – it is insane. These kids are so young, yet we’ve been hearing about them for what seems like ages. I guess in this day, with fans having so much access, good players will be known younger and younger, thus raising expectations. For Romine, I wouldn’t be surprised if he spends all this year at AAA, and maybe even part of next year, as they try to find his niche.

    Can’t wait for baseball.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Joe, 55 years ago. I would have killed my older brother to have these young kids talent to play baseball. I’ve matured a lot since the. Now, I’d only cripple him.

    There are so many pitchers and catchers in the system at it makes other teams drool. There are other position players that are very good, but, not at that level. It’s great to be young and a Yankee fan. Randy can only say that it’s great to be a Yankee fan. he refuses to lie.

  134. tyanksfan36 February 6th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Some guy at the high school across the street from where I live overdosed on drugs. His name was Alex Rodriguez and everyone referred to him as Arod.

  135. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 6th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Okay, I’m putting my money where my mouth is. I am putting $10,000 cyberdollars on the Steelers!

    :)

  136. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 6th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Tom, I’m sure it’s a tribute to our military.

  137. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 6th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
    Okay, I’m putting my money where my mouth is. I am putting $10,000 cyberdollars on the Steelers!

  138. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 6th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Mell, would I get more if I bet the point spread? Just curious.

  139. GreenBeret7 February 6th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 6th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
    Okay, I’m putting my money where my mouth is. I am putting $10,000 cyberdollars on the Steelers!

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    The great thing about cyber-dollars is that you can buy anything you want at Cyber-Tiffany’s.

    If you lose, you haven’t lost anything.

  140. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 6th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    GB – LMAO!!!!!

    Yes, that’s the point of it. I would have bet $100,000 cyberdollars but I don’t want to be totally irresponsible!

    :D

    Do you know that the betting thing is so sick that people even bet on who will win the coin toss????

  141. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 6th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    And my bet for MVP is Troy Polomalu (sp?), just because I am CA-RAZY for defense!!!

    Going to get a few things done before kick off.

    Enjoy the game all! GB – if I win by bet I am going to buy you cyber season tickets to Yankee Stadium!!!

    :)

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