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Spring decision: Back of the rotation

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 07, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

For the week leading up to spring training, I thought we’d take a daily look at some of the decisions the Yankees have to make before Opening Day. No sense starting with anything but the most obvious decision of all.

Think back. You might remember hearing something this winter about Cliff Lee going to Philadelphia, Andy Pettitte staying home in Texas and the Yankees sorting through the scraps of the free agent starting pitcher market. It was the biggest Yankees story of the offseason, an on-going saga that won’t be settled until a five-man rotation finally comes together this spring (and one that might not be settled — one way or another — until mid-season). For now the Yankees have three starters in place, and two spots up for grabs.

The possibilities
Assuming no late-minute trades or additions, the Yankees have four prominent candidates for two spots: Ivan Nova, Sergio Mitre, Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon. Both Garcia and  Colon are in camp on minor league deals, while the rookie Nova is actually coming to camp as an incumbent and a favorite. The Yankees could also look deeper in the farm system, giving prospects like David Phelps, Hector Noesi and Adam Warren a chance to impress.

The easy choice
Last season, Nova showed promise in New York and Garcia was reasonably productive in Chicago. Heading into spring training, they seem to be the front-runners for the fourth and fifth spots. Mitre, though, is even further removed from Tommy John surgery and got some spot starts last season. From the outside — my opinion anyway — he seems more likely to end up back in the bullpen, but Joe Girardi seems to like him, and Mitre is probably a legitimate candidate. He could certainly pitch his way into the rotation.

The alternatives
Colon is a complete wild card here. He hasn’t pitched a full big league season since he won the Cy Young back in 2005. He didn’t pitch at all last year, and it’s hard to believe he has much left, but the Yankees were impressed in winter ball, so he’ll get a look. More intriguing options come from the minor league system where the Yankees have considerable pitching depth.

Noesi, Phelps and D.J. Mitchell each finished last season in Triple-A. It’s impossible to count out any of those three. Andrew Brackman also took considerable steps forward in Double-A last year, but it’s Warren who’s name is brought up surprisingly often. A fourth-round pick in 2009, Warren made just 10 Double-A starts last year, but he was impressive, and his name seems to always come up in interviews with Girardi and Brian Cashman. He seems like a long shot, but one that might get a long look.

A separate but related issue
It’s a minor issue — one that will hardly matter by the second week of the season — but the Yankees have a decide how to line up the top of the rotation. CC Sabathia will obviously start on Opening Day, but who gets Game 2? Should the Yankees show A.J. Burnett that they still have confidence in him, or should they acknowledge that Phil Hughes seems to be the more reliable option at this point? Hughes and Burnett will be the Nos. 2 and 3, but who gets which number is a matter of opinion.

Associated Press photos of Nova and Garcia

 
 

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146 Responses to “Spring decision: Back of the rotation”

  1. charlestonchew February 7th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    To me, Hughes is #2.

  2. DaSaint007 February 7th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    CC, AJ, Hughes – in that order
    I think confidence should be shown in AJ, but he needs to be given every opportunity to hang his own rope.

  3. DaSaint007 February 7th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Once (if?) a left-hander is acquired, they’ll be broken up anyway.

  4. 108 stitches February 7th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Right on the nose Chad.

    Any of the mentioned pitchers will get a long look in ST and competition will bring out the best of those that work hardest. Larry Rothschild will have a very busy spring.

  5. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Erica in NY February 7th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    You know I am 5’10? right?

    Do you know many 4 year olds that look like Amazonians?
    +++++++++++++
    Print this out and bring it with you

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acromegaly

  6. sandman February 7th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    I suddenly got excited at the thought of Colon actually being somewhat dominant. Long shot but that would definitely be something worth hoping for.

  7. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    sandman February 7th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    I suddenly got excited at the thought of Colon actually being somewhat dominant. Long shot but that would definitely be something worth hoping for.
    +++++++++++++++++++
    That would be an overactive Colon issue.

  8. Cashmoney February 7th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Garcia is better option than Mitre as a starter IMO. Mitre has career losing record and five plus era as a starter I think. Garcia at least has better pedigree and track record as a starting pitcher. At this stage, both will get by with guile and command. But my money goes to Garcia if comes down to those two.

    Again, the intriguing options will prolly come from the minors later on. I also read the Yanks signed Prior, might he not be an option?

  9. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Just got in from the supermarket. I think I saw some green stuff and a curb! :)

    ***
    I need to pick a name for my fantasy team???????? I’m not good at that. :?

    ****

    It’ll be CC AJ Hughes to start I think.

    ****

    I’m thinking there should be a contest for the most possible least likely lineup that Girardi will post this year. Not so out-there that it couldn’t happen, but one that would be a real surprise if it did.

    ****

    Guess the Starting Rotation, bonus points if the order is correct.

    ****

    Guess the opening day lineup and roster.

    ****

    Both of those to take place before the first spring training game.

    Thoughts??

  10. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Patrick February 7th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    You could always act retarded….
    +++++++++
    Wearing a Red Sox cap should help with that.

  11. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Prior is only RP at this point according to Cash and Joe.

  12. Cashmoney February 7th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Gotcha Bojo. And Mitre is ? replacement lvl long reliever?

  13. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    I recall that not only Joe, but also Cashman love Mitre because he attacks the zone and keeps a relatively low WHIP (from a WFAN interview about 2 years ago). IMO he has done very well in long relief, and replaced Aceves.

    I get the sense that Ace won’t be here or won’t be available until June if at all.

    As I think Robert Stack used to say: “It’s awfully quiet in the Ace camp…too quiet!”

  14. DocTodd February 7th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Somehow I get the feeling Meattray has photos of Giradri doing something that Joe wants to keep private…

  15. Cashmoney February 7th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Bojo, i thought Ace when he was healthy two years ago, he offer the Yanks a versatile reliever who is capable of pitching in dif roles in BP and as an effective spot starter. I def thought Ace offer yanks more option in dif leverage situation than Mitre did. In my recollections of Mitre’s tenure as a Yankees, I can only conjure up images of putrid starting pitcher and garbage time long reliever. I can hardly recall him being use in any mid to high leverage situations at all. But that’s just personal and general impression( too lazy to look up his stats).

  16. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Cash–

    Go look at his game logs…It will surprise you. Not sexy because he isn’t a stikeout pitcher…but effective.

  17. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    also–don’t compare him to a young Pedro Martinez or anyone else…he had a few bombs, but many more good outings.

  18. Fran the original February 7th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    Doreen, maybe we could have a contest to name your fantasy team ;)

  19. Pat M. February 7th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    The one scout that I know who works for the D-Backs and who followed Ivan Nova last July has said repeatedly that Ivan Nova is going to be a very good pitcher at the big league level…..He’s not some Bronx secret…..

  20. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Right, GB – every pitch that Phil throws is a plus, plus, plus pitch. A great curve? I don’t think so. You started this, by the way, so don’t you get on my case for complaining about him. I posted a positive article and you insisted on bringing me into it – don’t whine then when you get a response you don’t like.

  21. Cashmoney February 7th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    i looked up his stats on baseball ref. decent era and decent peripheral’s in the 4s. decent bb/9 as well. I also looked up his game log which he pitched in a lot of lopside games either way. which translate to me as a garbage time long reliever. Garbage time LR is pretty replaceable IMO. But, anywho, I hope for the best. Mitre really isn’t a dude i want to devote any lengthy convo about.
    It’s whatever… an in house option i suppose.

  22. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Phil is the #2. First of all, he’s better than AJ and second, the Yankees would have to explain to Phil exactly why a guy who had a beyond awful year last year is slated ahead of him.

  23. Patrick February 7th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Hughes has been known for his curve for years. Scouts have raved about it since he’s been in A ball. There were multiple years where Hughes was rated as having the best breaking ball in the Yankee system. It’s a pretty great pitch…

  24. Erica in NY February 7th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    I think I have done GTODR before- thats a good game

    Last season I did GTY5S (Guess the Yankee’s 5th Starter)
    This season we can do GTY4A5S (Guess the Yankee’s 4th and 5th Starter)

  25. Erica in NY February 7th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Doreen-

    You should name your team GWDWNHT

  26. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Patrick, ok I respect your opinion – I don’t want to argue, so I’ll just say that I loved Phil’s comments today – they speak volumes about him.

  27. Patrick February 7th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Betsy,

    I’m just trying to give some background on why people think he has a great curve.

  28. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Patrick, IMO at times he has a wonderful curve, but it’s not consistent. I remember SJ/CB talking about how, for a guy with a very good FB, he gives up too many hits on his curve and surely not enough swings and misses. I don’t see how a pitch can be great unless it’s consistent. Since a curve is my favorite pitch, this is the one I’m eager to see improvement from – more so than the change

  29. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Erica -

    Guess What Doreen ????????

    I can’t fill in the blanks!! Help!!!

    ****

    You have done GTODR before and GTY5S. We should do it again. :)

    ***

    The only reason I think AJ goes #2 is because he’s the veteran. But I’m not tied to that at all.

  30. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Guess What Doreen Would Name Her Team!!!

    yay, I got it!!!!

    “sighofrelief:

    (Thanks for the slightly off-kilter day here, guys, it’s been a real lift for me!)

  31. scargo1013 February 7th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Is there any question? Of course Hughes is #2. AJ is lucky to be on the team.

  32. Fran the original February 7th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Erica, I got the initials for Doreen’s team. Maybe I’ll swap the D for an F and use the letters too. J/K

  33. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Erica -

    I might just use that!

  34. Erica in NY February 7th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
    Guess What Doreen Would Name Her Team!!!

    yay, I got it!!!!

    “sighofrelief:

    (Thanks for the slightly off-kilter day here, guys, it’s been a real lift for me!)

    **********

    Haha. Glad you like it :-)

    Its been a light day here for sure. Blame the Super Bowl hangovers. :-)

  35. Fran the original February 7th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Doreen,

    What about playing GTYFO? Guess the Yankees Fifth Outfielder

  36. Yankee Trader February 7th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    You should name your team GWDWNHT

    ——————————————What is that?? good wife does what noone here tries?

    My GTLU against Verlander/Tigers opening day March 31st @1:05

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    A-Rod-Diaz 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada DH
    Granderson CF
    Martin C
    Gardner LF

    Not my choice but do believe Girardi goes BTB [by the book]

  37. Pat M. February 7th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Phil has an outstanding curve and I think that he’ll be allowed to incorporate that pitch more this season….Remember he disn’t have much input to the game planning last season as it wasn’t until September that he was showcasing his offspeed stuff…..This was by design by Giradi, Eiland and Posada to a lesser degree than the coaching staff……

  38. Erica in NY February 7th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Yankee Trader February 7th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
    You should name your team GWDWNHT

    ***********

    Doreen nailed it at 5:40

    Guess What Doreen Will Name Her Team

  39. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Pat M, I hope so because IMO a good curve is a thing of beauty.

    He’s already discussed throwing the change more with Rothschild:

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.2668283

    It is among the things he’s discussed with new pitching coach Larry Rothschild, who oversaw yesterday’s bullpen session, Hughes’ second since arriving in Tampa 1½ weeks ago. Hughes said he enjoyed working with former pitching coach Dave Eiland, his pitching coach for two years in the minors and then in the majors, but those changes are part of the sport.

    “That’s just kind of the nature of the game,” Hughes said. “Pieces change. I was with Dave for a long time and we had a great relationship but I certainly don’t foresee the wheels falling off because he’s not around. One of those things we’re going to have to adjust to. We’re going to have to adjust to Andy Pettitte] not being back, I’ll have to adjust to a new pitching coach. That’s just the way the game is.”

  40. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Fran -

    That’s a good idea.

    I’m going to have to write these down. :)

  41. West Coast Yankee Fan February 7th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Betsy, regardless of what you think he did last year, Phil Hughes was always acknowledged by scouts and player development personnel for having a great curve ball, one of the very best in the minor leagues.

  42. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    Certainly no ringing endorsement of Montero:

    http://nomaas.org/2011/02/inte.....hn-manuel/

    Comparing him to Mike Piazza, he has a better arm but is a lesser receiver. He’s never been held up as a guy who is great at handling pitchers, either. It’s hard to get that type of info, and that’s a story I’m trying to work on –how different is it for minor league catchers to handle minor league pitchers vs. major league pitchers. But, I’ve talked to a couple of Yanks’ pitchers over the years on teams that have had Montero, and no one ever has stuck his neck out to say he’s a joy to work with, or that he handles pitchers well or catches them well.

  43. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    WC, I choose not to get into an argument with you.

  44. West Coast Yankee Fan February 7th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    From Baseball America in 2007:

    “Hughes’ greatest accomplishment as a pro has been to forsake his slider in favor of a knockout curveball, which is more of a strikeout pitch and produces less stress on his arm. It’s a true power breaking ball that sits in the low 80s with 1-to-7 break. Club officials call it the best in the system because Hughes can throw it for quality strikes or bury it out of the zone, and because he uses the same arm slot and release point he uses for his fastball”.

  45. West Coast Yankee Fan February 7th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Betsy what argument? I am just posting what others said, there is no argument.

  46. austinmac February 7th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    I think Hughes can throw a very good curve, but rolls too many. If I read his fangraphs page correctly, his curve was his least productive pitch last year. Pitchers develop. Hughes wants to be good, and he will progress.

  47. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Frankly, Manuel doesn’t exactly seem thrilled with the any of these players. Plus, I’d like to know what he’s referring to re: Joba and Phil as rookie starters. Phil was hurt for half of 2007, had a bad August and then rebounded in September. Joba was great until he got hurt in 2008. It’s hard to take him seriously after those comments

  48. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    WC, I already explained that I think Phil’s curve is inconsistent and I referenced discussions that we definitely had on this board. Old scouting reports don’t count as much as recent performances.

  49. Patrick February 7th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    I do think Hughes has a great curve but it’s fair to say it’s inconsistent. If it wasn’t as inconsistent he’d have many more strikeouts I think…

  50. Erica in NY February 7th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Betsy-

    I believe that is why the Yankees keep him in the minors until he is ready for the big leagues. Everyone who has scouted him says that he is offensively ready, but needs work behind the plate.

  51. Tom in N.J. February 7th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    This site has 5 Yankees on their top 100 list.

    3: Jesus Montero.
    34: Manny Banuelos
    73: Gary Sanchez
    85: Austin Romine
    96: David Adams

    http://projectprospect.com/art.....spect-list

  52. SAS February 7th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Doreen,

    I have a name for you. Doreen’s Dragons….not a nutsy name and you can remember rather than an alphabet soup.

    Also, don’t go crazy with GTLU. You don’t need to do it all day and night.

    By the way, hope you had a nice day. It is gorgeous here. I hate to say that. It will make people angry with me, but if you watched the golf ,you know it has been extremely cold.

  53. SAS February 7th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Erica,

    I always pictured you at about 5’3″ or so.

  54. West Coast Yankee Fan February 7th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    One has to look at Hughes curve ball in context. He is 24 years old and is starting out with the physical capabilities to throw a sharp breaking curve ball. His curve is nasty.

  55. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Erica, I don’t think they’d mind if Montero didn’t have a “great” spring and forced them to keep him.

  56. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Patrick, since I’ve seen Phil throw a great curve, I admit I shouldn’t have said he has a bad one – it’s just not consistent enough for whatever reason. I’m not sure if he changes grips on it too often or what, but he admitted at the beginning of last season that his curve blows hot and cold.

  57. Erica in NY February 7th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    SAS February 7th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
    Erica,

    I always pictured you at about 5’3? or so.

    ***********

    Nope. Pettitte will never be used to describe me.
    I am very tall.

  58. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    WC, that’s right – he has the capability to throw a damn good curve, but he has to do it more often. I think Rothschild is going to have a big effect on him…………I just have a very positive feeling about Rothshchild in general.

  59. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Erica, I hope Pettitte is not used to describe you, lol. I can vouch for it – and I envy Erica. I’m 5’4 and 1/2, which is not short, but I always wanted to be 5’6. Oh well, lol. My ni ece is 5′ 7 and may yet grow another inch; with her long legs, she looks taller than that.

  60. pat February 7th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Apologies if this was posted already……

    Of more direct interest to Yankee fans, perhaps, is the buzz around PECOTA’s relatively pessimistic take on Carl Crawford, who’s pegged for a pedestrian .770 OPS and 13 home runs. That’s actually less production than the system sees for Yankee prospect Jesus Montero, who’s forecast at 18 homers and a .470 slugging percentage, which would be pretty stunning numbers for a 21-year-old catcher. Meanwhile, the system expects no decline from Alex Rodriguez, who’s slated for 34 HR, and anticipates that Mark Teixeira will get his power numbers back up to their traditional levels. In more ominous areas of the roster, PECOTA thinks Sergio Mitre and Hector Noesi are the best choices to fill out the rotation, while anticipating a Randy Levine-exonerating 9.6 strikeouts per nine innings from Rafael Soriano.

    http://nymag.com/daily/sports/.....nk_of.html

  61. West Coast Yankee Fan February 7th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Betsy, as a 24 year old pitcher who just finished his first complete season starting in the big leagues, it’s only natural for him to strive to improve; in all aspects of his game. Right now he is one of the best young pitchers in the game and his upside is just huge. We’re talking tweaks and refinement, there are no major weaknesses to speak of.

  62. Erica in NY February 7th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
    Erica, I hope Pettitte is not used to describe you, lol. I can vouch for it – and I envy Erica. I’m 5’4 and 1/2, which is not short, but I always wanted to be 5’6. Oh well, lol. My ni ece is 5? 7 and may yet grow another inch; with her long legs, she looks taller than that.

    **************

    Hahahaha.. wow. That was quite a typo.

    Betsy, being this tall is tough too. I have leg room issues when I go places. And my feet are way too big.

  63. joeman February 7th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    I think Phil will improve this year and going forward, I just find interesting that in 29 starts he only pitched in 176 innings

  64. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Short is 5’2″, which is me. Five foot two, eyes of blue. :) I need a step stool to reach almost everything in my kitchen!!!!

    ***

    SAS – Doreen’s Dragons is a good idea. Easy to remember. I’m gonna make a list. I went to White Plains yesterday. It was a gorgeous day – sunny and warm, and I didn’t have to drive home in the dark!!!!

    ***

    pat -

    Thanks for all your tidbits of information. I have always thought Mitre has been a good thing for the Yankees. I don’t know if he’ll be starting, but I expect him to contribute.

  65. West Coast Yankee Fan February 7th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Joeman – Hughes was under an innings limit last year.

  66. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Erica, otherwise you’d be retiring from the blog at a very young age – we can’t have that, lol. I can see what you mean about having leg room issues. At average height, I can barely fit into a seat in a Broadway theater and don’t even ask about an airplane, lol.

    WC, you’re right; for all the “concerns” I’ve expressed, they do come down to “tweaks and refinements”. When someone is willing to work as hard as Phil is, when he’s motivated to improve and is not content to sit back on his laurels, well I have to take a positive attitude.

  67. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    I just saw a Chips Ahoy commercial, and I believe Rodgers was in it (from the Packers). Is it possible? Already?

  68. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Doreen, but you pack a lot of punch in that tiny frame – no doubt. I also would kill for blue eyes, but I’m pretty sure it’s too late for that.

  69. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Isn’t the first commerical usually the “I’m going to Disney World” commercial?

  70. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Ach – I forgot the point I was trying to make with the 5 foot 2.

    I always wished I was 5 foot 4. I didn’t ask for much, and I didn’t even get that!!!!

  71. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Betsy -

    I haven’t seen one of those in a while!

    I was kind of surprised it was Chips Ahoy, but it was him and a bunch of kids and it looked like it was probably fun for him to do.

  72. Cashmoney February 7th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    http://nomaas.org/2011/02/inte.....hn-manuel/

    Yankees farm dairy products.

  73. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    Doreen, I got to be 5’4, but I also have the world’s worst eyes. I’m used to my glas ses by now and kind of like them, but how I would love to wake up and be able to see normally. Still, I have to count my blessings that I’m generally healthy.

  74. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Rodgers is a good guy. Even though I obviously hate the Packers, I thought he handled himself remarkably well when Farve was still there and doing is diva act.

  75. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Patrick February 7th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    I do think Hughes has a great curve but it’s fair to say it’s inconsistent. If it wasn’t as inconsistent he’d have many more strikeouts I think…
    ++++++++++++
    That is the great thing about watching baseball over the years…the young pitchers learn and progress (at least the good ones do), and move from good to perhaps dominant.

  76. West Coast Yankee Fan February 7th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    I totally agree Betsy, Hughes attitude seems to be as good as it gets for a young pitcher. With his physical abilities and exemplary work ethic and attitude, it’s hard to imagine a scenario where he doesn’t continue to make headway.

  77. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Betsy -

    In college I had two friends who were shorter than I was. I really didn’t like it!! :) I’m used to looking up.

    There’s always colored contacts, right? My daughter has hazel eyes. We have no idea where they came from. Everyone has blue eyes. Both sides.

    We figure, though, that somewhere on the Italian side there must have been a brown eyed person. then again, my father always swore there was some kind of nefarious goings-on in his mother’s family. :lol:

  78. SAS February 7th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Erica,

    I know about way too big feet. Remember, I am more than a generation older than you are. I have a size 10 foot. Back in the 70′s everyone wore black patent leather heels in the Spring. It Feb. and I am at L & T …..low and behold I see a pair of shoes I like. I ask the salesman to try on a pair…no luck. I ask about another pair…no luck. You see they didn’t buy more than pair of size of size 10′s per run of shoes.

    I am 5’8″

  79. SAS February 7th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    *sorry about the typos.

  80. Erica in NY February 7th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    SAS-

    I will not reveal my shoe size. (Its worse than yours)

    Lets just say when I splurged on my Uggs last month, they were actually men’s Uggs. (but they look exactly the same)

  81. Erica in NY February 7th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
    Erica, otherwise you’d be retiring from the blog at a very young age – we can’t have that, lol. I can see what you mean about having leg room issues. At average height, I can barely fit into a seat in a Broadway theater and don’t even ask about an airplane, lol.

    **********

    Awww- thansk Betsy. And yes, I have those same issues. It sucks

  82. tyanksfan36 February 7th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    funny story. When I went to get my drivers license when I was 18(late bloomer) they asked me how tall I was, I looked up at my mom and asked how tall she was and then said. Hmm well I guess I’m 5’7, I’m actually 5’6. While I was waiting to take my picture, this boy walked up to the counter with his mom and they asked him how tall he was and he looked up to his mom and asked how tall he was and then decided he was 5’7. Well, I thought it was funny.

  83. Erica in NY February 7th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    I would also point out the huge double standard that men date women much shorter than them all of the time, but you never quite see women with much shorter men.

  84. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Interesting that Manuel thinks the only prospect with superstar potential is Bryce Harper…but I don’t understand his grading…Difference between HOFer and Superstar and annual all-star…I would think they are the same.

    Perhaps HOFer should have been called something like franchise player or Elite HOFer

  85. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    Erica in NY February 7th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    I would also point out the huge double standard that men date women much shorter than them all of the time, but you never quite see women with much shorter men.
    +++++++++++++
    Pretty much anyone Tom Cruise used to date?

  86. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    Also on Manuel’s list of prospects…interesting that Betances and Brackman didn’t make it…surprising.

  87. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    I dated two guys in college, each of whom was over 6’2″. Now, THAT was a funny sight. My husband is a more modest 5’11″ and I always ALWAYS wear heels.

  88. Cashmoney February 7th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    It would be interesting to see if Harper gets off to a fast start. I get a kick out of seeing him launching titanic shots on youtube.

  89. pat February 7th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    My parents and brothers are all brunette and green eyed and I was really blonde with blue/grey eyes as a child.

    When they told my mother she had a blonde/blue eyed girl after having 3 brunette boys she told them to double check.

  90. Erica in NY February 7th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
    Erica in NY February 7th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    I would also point out the huge double standard that men date women much shorter than them all of the time, but you never quite see women with much shorter men.
    +++++++++++++
    Pretty much anyone Tom Cruise used to date?

    ****************************

    And it always looks funny!!!!!!!

    I try not to go below 5’9

  91. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    pat -

    I am literally laughing out loud! Your mom sounds great!

  92. austinmac February 7th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Doreen,

    Since my 17 year old daughter who is practically perfect in every way is 5’2″ I must conclude that is a perfect height.

  93. LGY February 7th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Hughes definitely has the tools to have a great curve and showed flashes of it last season, but overall it was a poor pitch in 2010.

  94. Tom in N.J. February 7th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    I’m 5 foot 7.

    I also have a sie 13 foot. My shoes are always very ugly because stores don’t carry all styles in my size.

    I was called Frodo in high school.

  95. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    austimac -

    I’ve learned to like it! :)

    Practically perfect in every way – a Mary Poppins fan?

  96. Tom in N.J. February 7th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    “Since my 17 year old daughter who is practically perfect in every way is 5’2? I must conclude that is a perfect height.”

    Is your daughter Mary Poppins?

  97. Erica in NY February 7th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Tom in NJ-

    That seems like a rather big foot for a 5’7 guy…………………………

  98. Erica in NY February 7th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Wow- Tom in NJ and Doreen were just sharing a brain. SCARY!

  99. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Did anyone besides me find the Doritos commercial with the grandpa funny? It was so dumb, it was funny. I couldn’t help laughing.

  100. Tom in N.J. February 7th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    I have great balance.

  101. austinmac February 7th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Doreen.

    I must admit I am a Mary fan. I off to look to shake hands with a sweep.

  102. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    austinmac -

    I was a Mary Poppins fan as a little girl and then again as a mom – my daughter loves that movie. the stage musical was very good, too.

  103. pat February 7th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Doreen

    She kept a sense of humor about her even with me being born face first and in a teaching hospital so her doctor stopped her delivery until all the interns could come in and watch.

  104. LGY February 7th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    The league average whiff rate on a curveball is about 11.6%.

    Hughes last season was only at 5.8%

  105. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    I always think it helps me understand how good a ratings service is by looking at their past predictions.

    Here is the 2010 for Manuel

    http://projectprospect.com/art.....spect-list

  106. pat February 7th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    jaysonst Big source of #Rangers/Young friction: When they told him they weren’t trying to trade him, they were. Now he wants out & they’re reluctant.

    This has A-Rod 2.0 written all over it.

  107. SAS February 7th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Julie Andrews was the perfect Mary Poppins.

  108. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    pat -

    NO! Oh, my. She’s a special person.

    And I’m sure it made for great “birthday” stories through the years, too. :)

  109. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    SAS -

    Julie Andrews was my first favorite singer ever. What an incredible voice. And she was the perfect Mary Poppins, I agree. Did you ever read the Mary Poppins books? The stage musical uses them for its source material that’s a little different from the movie. It’s a series. I’ve read the first two, and I want to finish out the series.

  110. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Mary Poppins was a series???!?!?!

    And they haven’t brought it to TV?!?!?!?

    What am I missing here?

  111. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Nancy Drew

    The Hardy Boys

    No Mary Poppins?

  112. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    Not like their haven’t been Nanny shows either

    The Nanny
    Nanny and the Profesor (which I admit to liking)
    SuperNanny
    Hazel (kind of)
    NY Mets (Grown adult tries to raise/manage a group of children)

  113. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    BoJo

    I liked Nanny and the Professor, too. :)

  114. SAS February 7th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    Doreen,

    I don’t think I read the Mary Poppins series. I too love Julie Andrews. I think my favorite movie ever is Sound of Music.

  115. austinmac February 7th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    I don’t want to lose my otherwise virile blog reputation, but Julie Andrews was great as Mary Poppins and Sound of Music. She should have played Eliza Doolittle in the movie.

    Now, let’s talk sports. :)

  116. SAS February 7th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Bojo,

    Hazel was terrific. I watched those Nanny shows too.

  117. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    I could envision this as th epromo for ABC’s take on a nwe Mary Poppins.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T5_0AGdFic

  118. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    austinmac -

    Don’t even get me started about My Fair Lady! Or Camelot!!!!!

  119. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    And maybe they could follow that series with a new take on an oldie but goodie

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....&NR=1

  120. Erica in NY February 7th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Leaving work.

    Good night all :-)

  121. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    I just saw Camelot again the other day…great movie…Franco Nero thuogh? Over Bob Goulet? Really?

    Was interesting to learn that late in life, Nero and Redgrave married each other.

  122. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Bye Erica

  123. Fran the original February 7th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    The actress who was the little girl on Nanny and the Professor is one of the housewives on the Real HW of Beverly Hills.

  124. Pat M. February 7th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Nickelodeon LoHud …….

  125. YankFanCA February 7th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Mary Poppins and the Nanny just might both be able to make the Yankees starting rotation.

  126. Wave Your Hat February 7th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Perhaps Mary Poppins is available for a short stint at the back end of the Yankee rotation.

  127. SAS February 7th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Pat M.

    Why don’t you start an interesting baseball discussion.

    These things happen on slow news days…lol

  128. SAS February 7th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    WYH,

    Mary Poppins is magic. It just might work.

  129. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Doreen, I kind of like my hazel eyes – I did try colored lenses a long time ago, but I don’t really like wearing lense and I didn’t look right with blue eyes. Blue is my favorite color, so instead of my eyes, my whole room is blue, lol. I like hazel because the color changes depending on what I’m wearing; if I’m wearing greenish clothes, my eyes are more green and if I’m wearing brown, then my eyes are more brown.

  130. Cashman needs to go February 7th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Would anyone do a josh hamilton, michael young and neftali feliz for robinson cano, brett gardner and joba chamberlain trade?

    The reasoning is hamilton and cano is a wash – except the yankees are taking the bigger risk with hamilton’s drug/alchohol problem…michael young takes over at second and the rangers get rid of the nasty situation there with him and feliz is the reward to the yankees for taking the hamilton risk and eliminating the young saga….joba is the consolation prize for losing feliz…

    any takers?

  131. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Um, browner………not more brown, lol

  132. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    My favorite song from MP is “Just a spoon full of sugar”………it still is; I know all the lyrics. If only I could clean up my room with a snap of the fingers, lol.

    LGY, why do you think it was such a bad pitch for Phil last year? Does he change the grips too often? It seems like it’s been hard for him to find one curve he likes best.

  133. Doreen February 7th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Betsy -

    I think hazel eyes are exotic. My little one (not so little any more ha ha) is the one with the hazel eyes and I love them. They do change depending on what she’s wearing. And she’s has great coloring. Hazel is unique!

  134. Betsy February 7th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Julie Andrews looks GREAT – she recently reunited with the full cast of the Sound of Music and I was “wowed”. That cast really loves each other – such a nice story

  135. Cashmoney February 7th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    I do that trade however unrealistic scenario it might be. More plausible scenario would be Levine and Greenberg engaged in a steel cage deathmatch in monument park with ‘the natural’ soundtrack booming in the background. The Clash of … 2000 bucks you get the best seat… on top of Ruth’s plague.

  136. Pat M. February 7th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    SAS…….I’ll start by saying that once the Cliff Lee hangover subsides and by late May the press, the talking heads and even the Yankee fans will come to realize that Brain Cashman did a very fine job this offseason……..His accumulation of veterans playing out the last days of their careers will play a very big role in the quest for # 28……I think the Chavez pickup is going under the radar right now….If he’s right he gives Alex 30-40 games at DH……I’ve already addressed my feelings about Russell Martin and watchout for Andruw Jones and his 25 dingers……..This club is going to surprise many here and certainly the guys who promote the advance wins / losses…..Yanks are a 95 win club, and I think the boys in Veags will post a number right around there……..

  137. tyanksfan36 February 7th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    Speaking of attributes. I’m pandering my facebook friends for their children for Rays Fanfest since autographs are free for kids 14 and under. Hopefully I can get one that kinda looks like me.

  138. Cashman needs to go February 7th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    I forget is levine the guy with the harpo marx hairdo or the smallish balding dude with the combover? If its harpo my money’s on him…

    curious is the trade unrealistic because its one sided or the rangers won’t trade hamilton or feliz? remember hamilton is one glass of beer away from having his career flop….

  139. SAS February 7th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    Pat M.

    I agree about Cashman. I wouldn’t deign to compare him with other GM’s, but it seems to me that he does as good a job as any GM.

    I also am probably alone in the belief that I don’t believe Lee is all he is cracked up to be. It will be interesting to watch him in Philly with rotation they have. I would have been perfectly happy had Pettitte decided to play again. Now I am a bit more circumspect.

    I also agree that you can catch lightening in a bottle and that one or more of the players Cashman either signed to MiL contracts or invited to Spring training may add something special to the team.

  140. SAS February 7th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    Cashman……

    I wouldn’t make that trade.

  141. Jerkface February 7th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    I had a nightmare that Cash resigned after Randy Levine convinced the ‘brenners to trade Montero for Johan Santana.

    I had a dream that I was sitting in the stands behind Hal and Cash, and Hal kept asking why they had to pay money to Mitre. Said he was going to be the first one cut if he had his way.

    heh.

  142. Pat M. February 7th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    SAS….Cliff Lee for 3 maybe 4 years would have been out of sight, but when things got to 6 years his luster began to dull for me …..However he is a major difference maker…..

  143. Cashmoney February 7th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Levine is the harpo dude I believe Cash… it’s unrealistic cuz it won’t happen for variety of reasons from both sides. But the… it’s a slow Feb evening… any baseball is good baseball.

    To Pat M, haven’t kept up with Chavez last few years, hope he can revert back to some of his old form circa early 2000s… I was thinking more of Belliard and Nunez bench but Chavez is just as a plausible candidate for the bench.

  144. SAS February 7th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Pat M.

    We’ll see. He certainly has a terrific group around him so he shouldn’t be under the pressure he would have been under in NY. That’s why they play the games.

    I am looking forward to ST even though it will be tough not being able to watch any of it. In AZ, it is AZ, AZ, AZ and more AZ. You wouldn’t know there is another area. Actually, the new Diamondbacks/Rockies Stadium looks mighty nice, and it is on my way. I just don’t know who I want to see them play or who would go with me. My son isn’t interested this year.

  145. BoJo February 7th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Cashman—

    I don’t think either side would do the deal…the sides don’t match up well. Feliz is too valuable to Rangers but has less value on Yankees because of MoSo…Rangers don’t need Cano when they have Kinsler…And Gardner doesn’t come close to Hamilton in value…and forget the risk of relapse…The Rangers feel that Wilson keeps Josh in line.

    For the Yankees…they might like the deal better and do it…but the risk of a Hamilton relapse in NYC might be higher…They don’t need Feliz or Young (oplder and a step down from Cano), and basically would be doing deal to get Hamilton…

    I’d prefer getting the next Hamilton-Bryce Harper–with some mix of prospects.

  146. hardwired7 February 9th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    test

    :wink:


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