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Pinch hitting: Jay Hyne

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Next up in our Pinch Hitters series is Jay Hyne, a lawyer who grew up in Wayne, N.J. and now works as a law clerk for a federal judge in West Hartford, CT. He’s regular blogger at www.nyat.net, a blog with beginnings that trace back — believe it or not — to Brandeis University in Waltham, Mass., where most of the writers co-hosted a sports talk radio show on Thursday nights from midnight until 2:00 a.m.  “I guess that was the only timeslot that WBRS would give to a bunch of Yankees fans!” Jay wrote.

In 1998, Jay experienced three of his finest Yankees memories: He traded for his first and only Mickey Mantle baseball card (a 1964 Topps), attended his first and only World Series game (Game 1), and won a sweepstakes that allowed him to play actual baseball in the actual Yankee Stadium. A few hours before a September game against Toronto, Jay took the field with about 25 others to go through drills with various Yankees coaches. “My only regret is that my sister exposed the film in my dad’s camera so I only have a couple of blanched photos as proof of this once-in-a-lifetime experience,” he wrote.

For his guest post, Jay took on a familiar subject: The best role for Joba Chamberlain. His opinion is an unfamiliar one: He actually likes Joba in the bullpen.

Nowhere Else To Go: The Case For Keeping Joba in the Bullpen

One of the keys to the Yankees dynasty from 1996 to 2001 was the strength and depth of its bullpen. The Yankees didn’t always have the best rotation in the league, but they approached each game as though it were only six innings because the bullpen could protect the lead through innings 7, 8, and 9.

Notwithstanding the value of a lights-out bullpen, you need starting pitching to win championships. That’s why Brian Cashman tried hard to acquire Cliff Lee this offseason. It was a logical pursuit, given the Yankees’ surplus of cash and obvious need for another top-of-the-line starter. Unfortunately, Lee signed with Philadelphia and there aren’t many appealing names left on the market.

Without Lee and facing the prospect of Andy Pettitte’s retirement, Cashman seems committed to the next best option, which is to offset the impact of a thin rotation by building the best bullpen in baseball. Sound familiar?

Sure enough, the sting from losing out on Lee has since been assuaged by the acquisition of Rafael Soriano, who is going to be a tremendous weapon in the eighth inning. He and Mariano Rivera represent the best setup/closer combination in the league.

But how will the Yankees get through the sixth and seventh innings? They have David Robertson and two lefties in Pedro Feliciano and Boone Logan. The bullpen clearly needs another righty, preferably someone who can generate swings and misses. The best person for that job is Joba Chamberlain, whose 9.67 K/9 trailed only Kerry Wood and Robertson in 2010. To add another chapter to the starter vs. reliever debate, here are six more reasons why Joba should remain in the bullpen:

1. Brian Cashman finally stated what many have suspected: Joba’s shoulder has never recovered from the injury he suffered in Texas in 2008. Or perhaps his arm isn’t strong enough to handle a starter’s workload. Either way, his velocity remains down and Joba seems unable to make up the difference with his control. Consequently, he got knocked around a lot in 2009: 167 hits in 157.1 IP.

2. In fact, he’s gotten hit pretty hard, especially in Yankee Stadium. His career ERA is more than a run higher at home versus on the road (4.26 vs. 3.21). Despite identical .317 BABIP splits, his OPS jumps in the Bronx. Furthermore, his K/BB ratio is lower at home, and he even struggles to hold runners close (31 SB home, 14 SB away). Not a very impressive track record in 43 career starts.

3. There is a significant difference between the value of Joba’s primary weapon, his fastball, as a starter and as a reliever. Fangraphs calculates Pitch Type Linear Weights to denote the standardized amount of runs that a pitcher saves with each pitch over the course of 100 pitches thrown. As a starter in 2009, Joba’s wFB/C was -1.21, but that figure improved to 0.36 as a reliever in 2010. In other words, while Joba’s fastball might not be as devastating as it was three years ago (1.51 wFB/C in 2007), it is noticeably more effective in short relief stints than in full starts.

It also bears mentioning that Joba’s 2010 WAR (1.4) was the second highest among all Yankee relievers, behind only Mariano. Yet it was just 1.8 in 2009, far lower than the other pitchers who started at least 30 games: CC Sabathia (6.3), Andy Pettitte (3.6), and A.J. Burnett (3.4).

4. Joba hasn’t started a game since September 30, 2009, so his arm is not stretched out. Even if Cashman wanted to make him a starter, he would need considerable time in Scranton to get ready. This puts a hole in both the rotation and the bullpen for an extended period of time early in the season.

Here is another thing to consider: Right now, Joba could pitch two innings out of the bullpen, and possibly more in a pinch. Keeping Chamberlain in the bullpen could conceivably help entice Andy Pettitte to come back; he would only need to get through five innings because Joba could bridge him to Soriano and Mo.

5. Unless Cashman intends to sign another right-handed reliever, what better options do the Yankees have? Andrew Brackman and Romulo Sanchez have pitched a combined 4.1 innings in the big leagues. I don’t think either one is ready for the job.

6. Joba may never regain his 2007 magic, but we all saw how much he embraced his setup role that season. His bulldog personality is best suited to bullpen work where he can empty the tank in just one or two innings. His improved wFB/C in relief confirms this perception.

These may be moot points, as Cashman has already said that there is no chance that Joba will be in the rotation. But it’s one thing to take a stand in January, and quite another to remain patient if Ivan Nova and Sergio Mitre are injured or ineffective and the Yankees start to fade in the standings. We’ll see if Cashman can take the pressure and keep Joba in the bullpen when things get messy.

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220 Responses to “Pinch hitting: Jay Hyne”

  1. HipHipHorHay February 8th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Sometimes, it’s numbers, schnumbers. I think Joba should be in the rotation because he 1) is better than the other options and 2) seemed to be doing just fine until they started jerking him around mentally with pitch counts, innings limits, etc. That’s what makes me think his “downfall” is mostly mental, and the 2007 injury thing is the front office trying to make excuses for ruining one of their best young pitchers.

  2. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    im so over joba. get some people out in a big spot, then we can talk…

  3. pat February 8th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Erica

    “Young is willing to be traded to eight teams, according to a source: St. Louis, Minnesota, Houston, Colorado, San Diego, the New York Yankees and both teams in Los Angeles.

    He has not given the Rangers permission to pursue a trade to a team outside of his wish list, even though the Rangers have heard from a few teams not on it.

    Ryan said that such strict parameters, as well as the difficulty in unloading the remaining $48 million on Young’s contract over the next three years, could make a trade partner hard to find.

    The Rangers aren’t going to just get rid of him.”

    http://www.star-telegram.com/2.....ants.html#

  4. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    i love it when they demand a trade, then refuse to waive thier ntc. i guess he really doesnt want to get out of texas all that bad then, does he?

  5. Mell February 8th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Not bad, Jay. One point I’d disagree with you on is that there is no association between a potential return of Pettitte and Chamberlain’s presence in the pen. If Pettitte believes for a minute he needs someone to handle the sixth and seventh (especially the sixth) innings of his starts, he’s never coming back.

  6. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    pat-

    Eight teams with a willingness to include more is “strict parameters” ?

    C’mon Nolan you can do better than that.

    ;)

  7. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    IMHO Chamberlain has a health issue which prevents him from starting.

  8. ConcernedCitizen February 8th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Maybe Joba is better off in the pen. I honestly have given up trying to justify Joba’s role one way or the other. That said, given our current situation, I still think we need to try to get him into a starting role. Even if that means he’s in Scranton for a few months.

  9. pat February 8th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    YsGuy

    Sounds like he’s willing to waive no trade but wants control he’s not getting moved to a losing team in a lousy location.

    That’s fair for a veteran player who has played on lousy teams the majority fo his career.

  10. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    imo if joba goes to scranton, he will be done as a ny yankee.

  11. PacoDooley February 8th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    I assume that Cashman is convinced that Joba will never remain healthy as a starter. You have to assume that he can eventually recover from the shoulder injury since it wasn’t a massive one (he did return that season), so it must be that he is seen as a breakdown problem. Too bad since I always thought he belonged in the rotation. Few pitchers are as valuable in the pen as they could be in the rotation, assuming that they can pitch enough innings and stay healthy.

  12. Erica in NY February 8th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Thanks pat-

    I just can’t imagine why he would come to the Yankees when his primary motivation for wanting a trade is to play every day.

    Although, I bet Girardi would be better at resting A-Rod with Michael Young on the bench rather than Pena

  13. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    pat, ordinarily i would agree, but in this case, the rangers are likely going to have to pay off a huge chunk of his salary to move his contract. so he’s demanding the team take a big financial hit to move him, then he wants to have control of where he goes and get an additional payoff if its a team from his ntc.

    and all because he cant win a job in thier infield

  14. Against All Odds February 8th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    # YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    where is this loyalty when these players are free agents? its definitly the exception when a player decides to stay with a team they like rather than take top dollar to go somewhere else, like cliff lee. in the vast majority of cases, the players want top dollar, pretty much from anyone who is willing to sign the contract. you never hear of loyalty then.

    but when a player is making $15M or so per year, all of a sudden, they complain about loyalty. if young wants to play 3b, let him beat out beltre, if he wasnts ss, let him outperform andrus. he is supposed to be thier dh so he has a starting job and the people playing his former positions are better than him. so is the team supposed to lessen themselves by being loyal to him and bench someone who is better than him?

    as for trading its the same thing, if trading him helps the team be better, than you trade him. there is no need to get pre-approval from the player, if he doesnt have a ntc for the team they are trading him to, the player has no say.

    im not going to cry for m young, who is a good player and is being paid well above his value. im sure he didnt give the rangers a break on his salary out of loyalty, the team doesnt owe him anything that isnt in his contract. he’s just ticked that he’s not good enough to start in the infield on this team.

    —————————————–

    You some good points about players going for the top dollar when it comes to free agency. My point is it goes both ways and we see it all the time. A player gives his all to a franchise over the length of his career and then gets cut because “that’s the nature of the business”
    I don’t think MY is angry about not being good enough to start on the infield. From his point of view he has done everything the organization has asked whether it’s to be the face of the franchise or switch positions. He was ok with being a DH while playing a little bit of first because that’s what they sold him on. Then they go out and trade for Napoli which means Young would become what a bat off the bench for the Rangers. If he is this much of a strain on the franchise than they should have been forthright about it back at the winter meetings.

  15. 86w183 February 8th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    I feel much smarter now that I know Joba had a 1.51 wFB/C in 2007.

    Of course Michael Young is going to want out… on his terms. That’s the nature of the beast.

    If he really wanted out he could just ask for his outright release… but he’s not leaving $ 48 Million out there. Nor is he going to accept any trade to any city.

    He’s the perfect utility guy for the Yanks who could play a lot of positions and DH some… but he’d be a VERY EXPENSIVE utility guy.

  16. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Paco-

    I think you hit the nail right on the head.

    Joba has suffered from tendonitis on more than one ocassion.

    This last time it was in the shoulder.

    If the shoulder were to be damaged it would mean the probable end of his career.

    Under thos circumstances why risk it with him as a starter.

    Tendonitis can be much better manged as a reliever than a starter.

    It may sound crazy but the Yankees may actually be protecting Joba’s future rather than inhibiting it.

    Just a thought.

  17. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    I apologize for the spelling in the above post. It’s all GB’s fault.

  18. Against All Odds February 8th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    # YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    imo if joba goes to scranton, he will be done as a ny yankee.

    ————————————

    That might be the worst thing to happen

  19. Erica in NY February 8th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    This was my Ernie mug that broke

    http://www.google.com/products.....C8Q8wIwAw#

  20. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    If anyone needs a cheap yet productive DH option I think Branyan. If Young’s trade seem to inevitable and imminent. The Rangers should try to grab B.

    As far as Joba goes, the question for me is where he can be utilized the best: as a starter or BP guy. Though i think he might be a more attractive option than Mitre or Colon. There simplest isn’t reason enough to switch him back to starter and get pedestrian performances out of him and when there are some talent young guys waiting in the wing and can potentially contribute during the season. So I think Joba should stay where he is and maybe he can improve upon his performance from last year. Overall, I thought he did more than okay in the pen. He was horrid when he doesn’t have it, but he was more than okay when he did have his command.
    In summation, Joba in the pen is prolly best for Joba and the Yanks.

  21. randy l. February 8th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    the first step for the yankees and joba is to get him really strong and good again. if they can do that , they have options. if they can’t, he’s not worth much in either the bullpen or the rotation.

    with all the young guys that are almost ready, this is crunch time for joba with the yankees. if he doesn’t take a step forward, there may not even be a place for him in the bullpen next year.

  22. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Randy-

    “if he doesn’t take a step forward, there may not even be a place for him in the bullpen next year.”

    I agree but I think he will.

  23. Against All Odds February 8th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    # MTU February 8th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Paco-

    I think you hit the nail right on the head.

    Joba has suffered from tendonitis on more than one ocassion.

    This last time it was in the shoulder.

    If the shoulder were to be damaged it would mean the probable end of his career.

    Under thos circumstances why risk it with him as a starter.

    Tendonitis can be much better manged as a reliever than a starter.

    It may sound crazy but the Yankees may actually be protecting Joba’s future rather than inhibiting it.

    Just a thought.

    ———————————————–

    You maybe right about that. My question would be if the tendonitis is an issue wouldn’t it have made sense to move him when they had the chance? Even if it is an issue it doesn’t stop him from actually talking the field and pitching.

  24. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    aao, again, i dont know who said what when but just like the yankees and cashman, making pronouncements before the winter is very hazardous. you dont know what is going to come up.

    when napoli became available to the rangers at a cost they liked, they made the trade. it made the team better. with young as the primary dh and b/u @ all infield positions he had the chance to reallly show off his talents and get as many ab’s as he could get. if he has a problem with moving postions, once again i say either beat out the guy who has the job or shut up.

    i like young and i dont blame him for being mad, but in the end the facts are that he has the chance to contribute hugely to what should be a very good team. if its not how he envisioned his role, then too bad. the team did what it did to make the team better and this is where it ended up.

    it only affects m young if napoli and moreland outhit him and take away his ab’s. if he hits, one of them will sit, not him.

  25. Against All Odds February 8th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    # randy l. February 8th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    the first step for the yankees and joba is to get him really strong and good again. if they can do that , they have options. if they can’t, he’s not worth much in either the bullpen or the rotation.

    with all the young guys that are almost ready, this is crunch time for joba with the yankees. if he doesn’t take a step forward, there may not even be a place for him in the bullpen next year.

    —————————————————–

    Depending on how ST works out there may not be a spot for him now.

  26. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    “if he doesn’t take a step forward, there may not even be a place for him in the bullpen next year.”
    —————-
    I think he might not have a define role if that’s the case. Or he would be traded for something what the Yankees perceive as better piece. But I am fairly confident the Yanks will keep him even if he stays status quo. If Mitre can stick for the third yr, I think Joba certainly will or can.

  27. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    AOA-

    Maybe they wanted to give him every opportunity to show that he could return to full health concluding that he couldn’t in a Starting role.

    There is no question that the danger to him is greater as a starter than as a reliever at least in the physical sense.

    I always wished he would have gone to a place like API. They have specific baseball programs to help players strengthen areas of physical weakness.

    Sort of like an enhanced rehab program.

    The Yankees probably strongly suggested it to Joba.

    They could not force him to go and he decided not to for whatever reason.

  28. tyanksfan36 February 8th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    I didn’t really read the bulk of the guest post. I stopped after reading that he was upset about the film getting exposed and not having good pictures playing at Yankee Stadium. I definitely feel your pain, I went to NY in 2000 and after taking a roll of film I went to rewind it and it made some funny noises and when it was done it looked like I had just put the roll in, my dad told me it must never had advanced, so I advanced it and took another roll of pics. It wasn’t until I got them developed. They were all double exposed so I have pictures of my friends faces(last week of 8th grade) right in the middle of the WTC. C’est La Vie.

  29. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    dyslexia strike again. Should have been AAO. sorry.

  30. 86w183 February 8th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    All along we’ve speculated that Joba has health issues that have the Yankees convinced he can not/should not be a starter long term. That Cashman has insinuated it is related to the Texas/shoulder incident it pretty much confirms that speculation.

    It’s not unusual. Papelbon was targeted to become a starter and the Sawx saw something in his shoulder that convinced them he should not start. It happens.

    YS guy… you couldn’t be more wrong about Michael Young. We’re not talking about any guy here, we’re talking about a Rangers lifer who is among their All-Time leaders who not once but TWICE changed positions to accommodate the team and rightfully feels he has been treated like crap. and he has been.

    Sure, Texas has the right to do what it thinks is best, but that doesn’t make it right. It would be like the Yanks doing a Hanley Ramirez trade and telling Jeter, thanks, but…….

    Classless move that will hurt them in the future.

  31. Against All Odds February 8th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    # YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    aao, again, i dont know who said what when but just like the yankees and cashman, making pronouncements before the winter is very hazardous. you dont know what is going to come up.

    when napoli became available to the rangers at a cost they liked, they made the trade. it made the team better. with young as the primary dh and b/u @ all infield positions he had the chance to reallly show off his talents and get as many ab’s as he could get. if he has a problem with moving postions, once again i say either beat out the guy who has the job or shut up.

    i like young and i dont blame him for being mad, but in the end the facts are that he has the chance to contribute hugely to what should be a very good team. if its not how he envisioned his role, then too bad. the team did what it did to make the team better and this is where it ended up.

    it only affects m young if napoli and moreland outhit him and take away his ab’s. if he hits, one of them will sit, not him.
    ———————————————————-

    “if he has a problem with moving postions, once again i say either beat out the guy who has the job or shut up.”

    Changing positions might be an issue but I think it really has to do with them not being upfront with him. MY is a big boy if you don’t want him on the team then that’s fine. They went out of their way to tell ppl that they weren’t trying to move Young. It might have been Ryan would said teams are coming up to them. A couple of days later a report comes out that the Rangers were the ones going to teams and shopping MY. With that said you have a point he can go into camp and compete.

    “if its not how he envisioned his role, then too bad. the team did what it did to make the team better and this is where it ended up.”

    It’s not something he envisioned…it’s what he was told by the Rangers. Once Beltre was signed they told him how he would be used and he went along with it like he did with changing positions more than once over his career.

    “it only affects m young if napoli and moreland outhit him and take away his ab’s. if he hits, one of them will sit, not him.”

    If he is still on the team it will be interesting to see how it plays out in ST. This is weird for me to argue on the side of the player because I’m usually on the side of management.

  32. Bronx Jeers February 8th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    As long as one believes that Joba possesses no better the the 8th best arm on the team, one should have no issue with his current role.

    We spend a lot of time in here discussing the teams immediate needs vs. prospect development.

    Where do you think Joba fits into that debate?

  33. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    ill take hanley ramirez today tomorrow and the next day. arod changed positions for jeter if he has to change for hram, too bad.

  34. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    86-

    Well said. I agree. spot on.

    Excellent post all the way around. Like the Papelsmear analogy.

    Only difference being the Papster didn’t mind being a reliever. I think Joba would prefer starting.

  35. Against All Odds February 8th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    # MTU February 8th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    AOA-

    Maybe they wanted to give him every opportunity to show that he could return to full health concluding that he couldn’t in a Starting role.

    There is no question that the danger to him is greater as a starter than as a reliever at least in the physical sense.

    I always wished he would have gone to a place like API. They have specific baseball programs to help players strengthen areas of physical weakness.

    Sort of like an enhanced rehab program.

    The Yankees probably strongly suggested it to Joba.

    They could not force him to go and he decided not to for whatever reason.

    —————————————————

    True they could have suggested it to him and we’ll probably never know if they did and he refused. I remember Rick Peterson talking about Joba’s mechanics a while back. I wonder what his take would be given the recent comments made by Cashman.

    I know how you feel about typos. They can be a pain in the ***

  36. tyanksfan36 February 8th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    MTU

    I read your reply to the comment I posted earlier, I say good luck on any advanced scouting report. You’ll have to rely on Chad for that. Ill probably just be in heaven hopefully ill be able to contain myself with all Yankees around, I don’t want Security chasing me off the field. Ill definitely take lots of pictures so that might be all you get.

  37. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    sorry im not buying that crap.
    arod was the better 3bman.
    andrus is the better ss.
    kinsler is the better 2bman.
    beltre is the better 3bman now.
    Young has every chance to beat out napoli and moreland at 1b and at dh.
    the guy was being paid $15M+ per year and switched positions because the other players were better than him.

    we all like michael young, but just because he was nice when the team brought in other guys who were better than him at his former postion doesnt mean the organization owes him anything.

  38. 86w183 February 8th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    YS Guy —

    You would have the most dysfunctional clubhouse in baseball if every player knew his job would be handed to the flavor of the month whenever the opportunity presents.

  39. Rob_NY February 8th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Joba seems to have gone the Papelbon route, failed starter turned decent reliever. Only difference being Papelbon had a whole point in the middle where he was dominant and Joba’s team had to overpay Soriano to cover the 8th. I’m even less sold on the importance of a “lockdown 7th inning guy” than I was of “The 8th Inning guy!”. Joba Chamberlain, same old bs, less important inning.

  40. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    sorry i keep saying arod was the 3bman but he was obviously the ss when he got to texas. but by just about everyone’s assessment, he was the better SS then

  41. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    AAO-

    I’ve pretty moved on about it.

    I’m just hoping Joba improves as a reliever. If not, he might find himself on another team or unemployed.

    I’d like to see him realize whatever talent remains in a Yankee uniform.

    I hope he finds that old “gas” and more consistency even if it’s in a diminished role.

  42. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Michael Young saying he wants to be traded is meaningless.

    Michael Young saying ““I asked for a trade because I’ve been misled and manipulated and I’m sick of it.. . I got pushed into a corner one too many times. I couldn’t take it any more.” is a BFD.

    You’re talking about a guy who is your de facto captain, the face of the franchise and an all around classy guy who has sacrificed his own role for the “greater good” more than any player I can think of. Consider that he first moved to 2b to accomodate A-Rod, then he moved back to SS when Soriano came in, then moved to 3b to acomodate Elvis Andrus – imagine if the Yankees had tried to pull that with Derek. If the Yankees had moved DJ to 2b when they traded for Alex, then moved him to 3b when Cano came up…then back to SS when Alex had hip problems – he would go nuts.

    It can’t be good for a club that’s trying to win to have this hanging over their heads but the question is where could Young go?

    Two teams that need help at 3b are the A’s and Angels but I can’t see Texas trading Young within the division.

    Red Sox: If they thought he could still play SS it would be an expensive gamble but he would be an upgrade from Scutaro.

    Toronto: could use him at 3b (and leave Bautista in RF) but they just shed a big contract, I can’t see them looking to take on another one.

    Atlanta: It’s a big contract for the Braves to take on, but with Chipper’s knee situation an unknown they could use the insurance, and if Jones is healthy they can certainly play Young at 1b

    St. Louis: I’m not a big David Freese fan so I think Young at third there makes sense. Again, I don’t think the Cards would take on the money but if they could get Texas to eat some of it…Would John Jay and a prospect for Michael Young and money work?

    Brewers: Also only if Texas takes on a large chunk of the contract, play Young at 3b this year and then move him to 1b when they lose Prince next winter.

    So there are lots of teams that could use Michael Young, the questions really become how much Texas is looking to get back for him and how much of his contract they’re willing to swallow.

    My guess – Michael Young doesn’t get traded.

  43. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    “You would have the most dysfunctional clubhouse in baseball if every player knew his job would be handed to the flavor of the month whenever the opportunity presents.

    “so alex rodriguez, elvis andrus, ian kinsler and adrian beltre at the ‘flavor of the month’ in this analogy?

  44. 86w183 February 8th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    The “flavor of the month” reference is to your attitude that if you can acquire a better player at a position you do it and if the guy who has that position doesn’t like it, well tough crap.

    That attitude is a killer in pro sports where chemistry within a team/clubhouse can have a lot to do with competitive performance.

    That fact you are willing to dump Jeter at this stage of his career shows that you don’t understand this at all.

    And Andrus and Kinsler were not better than Young at the time of those moves. The organization felt eventually they would help make the team better and an important part of that team, Michael Young made the accommodation.

    I’m not at all convinced that Beltre will be better than Young in 2011 or into the future. The man seems to play really well when his contract is about to expire, and he regressed defensively last year

  45. pat February 8th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    eboland11 Jesus Montero, Andrew Brackman among the minor leaguers trotting out on field. Ivan Nova out there as well

  46. Against All Odds February 8th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    # MTU February 8th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    AAO-

    I’ve pretty moved on about it.

    I’m just hoping Joba improves as a reliever. If not, he might find himself on another team or unemployed.

    I’d like to see him realize whatever talent remains in a Yankee uniform.

    I hope he finds that old “gas” and more consistency even if it’s in a diminished role.

    —————————————

    I’d rather see him be moved to another team to be honest with you. It bothers me to no end that he’s a middle reliever but I’ll be rooting for the kid.

  47. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    “That fact you are willing to dump Jeter at this stage of his career shows that you don’t understand this at all.”

    i have to agree there.

    so to be clear, if the yankees had the chance to aquire hanley ramirez today, you would be against it because the yankees just couldn’t do that to jeter?

  48. pat February 8th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    eboland11 And today’s first-player-to-the-complex winner: David Robertson

    Ledger_Yankees RT @BrianCoz: I bumped into Montero at 711 // was he in his pajamas? did his neighbors want to call the cops on you? :smile:

  49. pat February 8th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    so to be clear, if the yankees had the chance to aquire hanley ramirez today, you would be against it because the yankees just couldn?t do that to jeter?

    Nope. The Yankees should do it but when Jeter asks if they arem they should tell him the truth and not deny it until the press conference to intro Ramirez is scheduled.

    Often it’s not what you do or say but how you do or say it that causes problems. The cover up is usually more damaging than the crime.

  50. Patrick February 8th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Joba’s troubles all trace back to the injury he had in 2008 vs Texas. I laid it out a week or two ago on this blog but if you look at his average fastball velocity it drops significantly after the injury. It is very obvious there are some lingering problems with his shoulder. I think it’s likely, now that Cashman has acknowledged that Joba’s never been the same since the injury, that the Yankees know this and have had doctors examine the shoulder. I think they probably decided that the risk of a surgery was too high and that while he’s still capable of pitching with the injury, he can’t last a full season with it.

    While I think Joba could still be an effective starter (as we saw in the first part of 2009) he probably tires much quicker than other starters and would never make it through a full season.

    The final point I’d like to make is, although his velocity is down as a starter and as a reliever, it’s not as apparent when he’s coming out of the pen. His avg fastball velo is down from 97 to like 95 as a reliever which is still plenty. (Down 95 to 92ish as a starter)

  51. 86w183 February 8th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Having just signed Jeter to a three year contract no, I would not use significant resources to acquire a replacement at this stage. Terrible image, terrible business.

    If I were Nolan Ryan there’s no way on earth I would have signed Adrian Beltre to replace Michael Young. Young has served the organization extremely well and is still a very good player who is signed for three more seasons. Beltre just happens to have had his two best seasons in free agent walk years.

  52. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    The issue with the Hanley Ramirez hypothetical is that HanRam’s not a good SS.

    If the Yankees brought him in, the best thing they could do would be to move him to the OF.

    Now if they were bringing in Elvis Andrus – that would be something else entirely; but since Texas has no reason whatsoever to move Andrus – I would say it’s moot.

  53. David in Cal February 8th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    If the Yanks acquired Mike Young, he might win the SS job from Derek Jeter. That’s (and $) why the Yanks won’t try to trade for him.

  54. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    86w183 February 8th, 2011 at 10:25 am
    Having just signed Jeter to a three year contract no, I would not use significant resources to acquire a replacement at this stage. Terrible image, terrible business.

    If I were Nolan Ryan there’s no way on earth I would have signed Adrian Beltre to replace Michael Young. Young has served the organization extremely well and is still a very good player who is signed for three more seasons. Beltre just happens to have had his two best seasons in free agent walk years.

    ——————-

    I don’t like the Beltre signing because I don’t think he’s going to put up the numbers he did last year over the course of the contract, but I do understand it. Beltre’s a much better defender at 3b than Young and they aren’t sure what they’re going to get from Moreland/Davis at 1b.

  55. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    beltre’s ops last year was higher than any year in young’s career. beltre’s hr were more than young has ever had and his rbi’s was topped only by young’s 2006.
    and beltre is by far the better fielder.

  56. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    David in Cal February 8th, 2011 at 10:30 am
    If the Yanks acquired Mike Young, he might win the SS job from Derek Jeter. That’s (and $) why the Yanks won’t try to trade for him.

    ——————

    Well also a complete lack of need.

  57. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 10:31 am
    beltre’s ops last year was higher than any year in young’s career. beltre’s hr were more than young has ever had and his rbi’s was topped only by young’s 2006.
    and beltre is by far the better fielder.

    ——————

    Beltre had a great year when he was trying to get a new contract with the Dodgers too – beware of Greeks bearing gifts and players who impress only in contract years.

  58. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    young should just shut up and win the 1b job, and lead his team to thier first WS.

    instead he’s likely to end up being the star in kc or pittsburgh. he can play any position he wants there, just like the old days in texas.

  59. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 10:33 am
    young should just shut up and win the 1b job, and lead his team to thier first WS.

    instead he’s likely to end up being the star in kc or pittsburgh. he can play any position he wants there, just like the old days in texas.

    ——————–

    KC or Pitt aren’t going to trade for a 34 year old with that much money owed him – nor is Young (5 and 10 player) likely to accept a trade to a loser team like that.

  60. Mell February 8th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    “And Andrus and Kinsler were not better than Young at the time of those moves.”

    Young was never asked to move to accomodate Kinsler, and on his greatest day, he wasn’t close to as good a SS as Andrus is.

  61. Joe from Long Island February 8th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    YsGuy brings up a very valid way of doing business. Get the best person to do the job, and don’t be sentimental about it. Lots of people do things that way, in all sorts of business. Just a different philosophy.

    And, certainly, Michael Young has been very well compensated.

    Overrall, it seems like a cold way to do things, but businesses tend to be cold. “Don’t let the door hit you on the way out” kind of thing.

    I guess I’m not a very good businessman.

  62. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Mell February 8th, 2011 at 10:37 am
    “And Andrus and Kinsler were not better than Young at the time of those moves.”

    Young was never asked to move to accomodate Kinsler, and on his greatest day, he wasn’t close to as good a SS as Andrus is.

    ——————

    He was asked to move off 2b and back to SS because the Rangers got Soriano in the Alex deal.

  63. Tom in N.J. February 8th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    BP’s 2011 PECOTA :

    East
    New York Yankees – 100-62
    Tampa Bay Rays – 98-64
    Boston Red Sox – 89-73
    Toronto Blue Jays – 83-79
    Baltimore Orioles – 62-100

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/

  64. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Joe from Long Island February 8th, 2011 at 10:37 am
    YsGuy brings up a very valid way of doing business. Get the best person to do the job, and don’t be sentimental about it. Lots of people do things that way, in all sorts of business. Just a different philosophy.

    And, certainly, Michael Young has been very well compensated.

    Overrall, it seems like a cold way to do things, but businesses tend to be cold. “Don’t let the door hit you on the way out” kind of thing.

    I guess I’m not a very good businessman.

    —————-

    I agree – Theo did it in Boston showing Damon, Millar, Mueller, Pedro, Lowe, Trot Nixon and Keith Foulke the door.

    That said, I think Young’s issue isn’t that they picked up Beltre – it’s that nothing was communicated to him or worse that Daniels told him one thing and did something else.

  65. Mell February 8th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    “He was asked to move off 2b and back to SS because the Rangers got Soriano in the Alex deal”

    Yeah, I know. Just disputing the allusion to Kinsler as a reason for him changing positions.

  66. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Tom -

    I completely disagree with their take on the Orioles. That team’s lineup is scary, I really like their bullpen and I think the starters will be better than we think.

  67. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    i feel the same way about it now. if the yankees made some trade with the rangers that included granderson and andrus, i would have no hesitation whatsoever about moving jeter to cf the first day of ST.

    i’d feel bad if jeter’s feelings were hurt, but i still wouldn’t hesitate for a second.

  68. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Tom -

    In fact – I disagree with all of it.

    I don’t think the Yankees will be that good
    I don’t think Tampa will be that good
    I don’t think Boston, Toronto or Baltimore will be that bad.

    I think every team in the AL East will have between 85-95 wins.

  69. Patrick February 8th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Baltimore’s lineup has the potential to be pretty good but there are a zillion questionmarks. They have a lot of old guys that showed signs of decline in 2010 and a bunch of young kids that haven’t taken the “next step” yet.

  70. pat February 8th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Did someone not tell this Pecota person the Yankees have no pitching and the Sox already won the 2011 WS? :wink:

  71. Mell February 8th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    “I agree – Theo did it in Boston showing Damon, Millar, Mueller, Pedro, Lowe, Trot Nixon and Keith Foulke the door.”

    Not the same. None of these guys were under contract, let alone a contract with three years remaining on it.

  72. Cashman needs to go February 8th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 10:33 am
    young should just shut up and win the 1b job, and lead his team to thier first WS.

    instead he’s likely to end up being the star in kc or pittsburgh. he can play any position he wants there, just like the old days in texas.

    *************************************

    What if someone said…

    Jeter should just shut his big fat 17 million dollar a year face and become a platoon player because he’s just too old and slow to play shortstop – and when he plays he should be happy to be batting 9th – which is where his deteriorating skills and bat speed are best suited batting….or he can go to cleveland and be their star shortstop for the next 3 years..if he can win that job from the nobody playing there…

    and lets not forget that micheal young is younger (no pun intended) gets paid less..oh and more importantly is much much better offensively (and just as good defensively) than jeter at this point in their careers…

    seems harsh…..no? When its one of your own you don’t want to hear Sh*t like that….and lets not forget that young has done everything the rangers have asked him to do….the yankees wouldn’t dare ask jeter to move off SS when the best SS in the history of baseball was traded for a few years back…

  73. Mell February 8th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    “I think every team in the AL East will have between 85-95 wins”

    Orioles will be fortunate to hit 75, neverminfd 85.

  74. Cashman needs to go February 8th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    by the way Y’s Guy…the post wasn’t meant for you..it was meant for the micheal young bashers who put jeter on a pedastal and believe he’s untouchable…

  75. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 10:42 am
    i feel the same way about it now. if the yankees made some trade with the rangers that included granderson and andrus, i would have no hesitation whatsoever about moving jeter to cf the first day of ST.

    i’d feel bad if jeter’s feelings were hurt, but i still wouldn’t hesitate for a second.

    ——————–

    I would hesitate.

    I don’t know that Jeter can play CF.

    So are you improving the team enough at SS to risk weakening it in another key spot? I don’t think you are.

  76. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Mell February 8th, 2011 at 10:47 am
    “I agree – Theo did it in Boston showing Damon, Millar, Mueller, Pedro, Lowe, Trot Nixon and Keith Foulke the door.”

    Not the same. None of these guys were under contract, let alone a contract with three years remaining on it.

    —————

    I was just using them as an example that teams can’t afford to be sentimental.

    Though he’s also pushed Jason Varitek to the bench (by bringing in Victor Martinez) and moved Youk to 3b.

  77. tyanksfan36 February 8th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Darn, wasted 30 minutes of time I could have used driving around campus looking for parking to drive up to the minor league complex to find there’s no fan access. Oh well.

  78. Patrick February 8th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Andrus is a good fielder but he hasn’t shown much with the bat, I wouldn’t trade for him..

  79. jacksquat February 8th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Tom in N.J. February 8th, 2011 at 10:40 am
    BP’s 2011 PECOTA :

    East
    New York Yankees – 100-62
    Tampa Bay Rays – 98-64
    Boston Red Sox – 89-73
    Toronto Blue Jays – 83-79
    Baltimore Orioles – 62-100

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/

    Wow.

    Red Sox fans are gonna love this. :D

  80. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Mell February 8th, 2011 at 10:49 am
    “I think every team in the AL East will have between 85-95 wins”

    Orioles will be fortunate to hit 75, neverminfd 85.

    ——————

    Mell,

    We’re going to have to disagree on that one – that lineup is very good and they have a strong back end of the bullpen.

    The rotation’s the questionmark but if Matuz and Arietta continue to progress, they get a decent year out of Guthrie and Duchscherer stays healthy I think they’ll be a dangerous team. They’re not going to push for the wild card but they won’t be the soft spot on the schedule they’ve been over the last couple of years.

  81. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    cntg
    obviosly i have made my feelings about moving jeter and the similarities with young known. of course i dont have your increadible knack for making any sitiation look as dire and negative as possible. and unlike you, i think jeter is still a good ballplayer and would under any circumstance keep him on the field.

    also in your rant, you didnt propose anything specific as in, what you would do if the yankees has a chance to land hanram or andrus.

    instead you blow spew your own jeter hatred and try to propose that it is mine.

  82. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    manny was under a huge contract when he got thrown off the team

  83. Mell February 8th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Chip:

    The lineup is improved but overrated. Pitching just isn’t good at all.

  84. Cashman needs to go February 8th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    Pecota 2010 projections….seems any monkey can make predictions..

    AL Postseason teams:
    AL East: Rays 98 wins, Red Sox 95 wins and take the Wild Card. (Yankees 93)
    AL Central: Twins 82 wins (followed by the White Sox and Tigers, both with 79)
    AL West: A’s 87 wins (followed by Mariners 86, Rangers 85)

    NL Postseason teams:
    NL East: Phillies 88 wins (followed by the Braves with 85 wins and the Nationals (!!) with 82)
    NL Central: Cardinals 89 wins (followed by the Reds with 82 wins, and the Cubs with 77)
    NL West: Dodgers 87 wins (followed by the Diamondbacks with 85 wins, and the Giants with 81)

  85. Irreverent Discourse February 8th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Its hilarious to watch you all argue about PECOTA standings, a projection system built upon statistics that you refuse to acknowledge.

  86. Patrick February 8th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    The Orioles don’t really have a good bullpen, not sure what you’re referring to Chip.

    And lets look at their lineup for a second…

    Jones CF
    Roberts 2B
    Markakis RF
    Guerrero DH
    Lee 1B
    Reynolds 3B
    Scott or Pie LF?
    Weiters C
    Izturis SS

    That’s a pretty solid lineup but there are a ton of questionmarks. Reynolds hit .198 last year. Guerrero had a terrible second half. Lee had a terrible 2010 season. Weiters still hasn’t figured it out. Jones had a down year as well.

    If everything breaks right they have a great lineup but as it is I’d put it in the middle of the pack.

    The Orioles have an outside chance of breaking .500 but I think they are more likely to end up with around 70 wins.

  87. tyanksfan36 February 8th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    That baseball prospectus is a crock. They said in 2010 that Rivera would have a 3.63 ERA

  88. austinmac February 8th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Before we get too excited abouty PECOTA predictions, didn’t they change about five times last year before the season started?

    Frankly, my dog could have done better.

  89. Patrick February 8th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    tyanksfan,

    That’s because pitchers Rivera’s age historically begin to decline. You have to ignore these projections for special cases like Mo, he is one of a kind.

  90. Patrick February 8th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    austin,

    Yeah you are correct, last year PECOTA was a mess. There were extremely obvious errors that took them awhile to fix.

  91. Mell February 8th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Patrick:

    I believe the O’s picked up Hardy to play SS for them. That said, I agree with you. Too many question marks. Biggest question of all may be how effective Roberts can be coming back from a variety of maladies.

  92. Cashman needs to go February 8th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Ys Guy – I guess you didn’t read my next post…

    as for acquiring hanram – i wouldn’t have giving jeter a 3 year 17 million dollar contract in the first place…i mean if the yankees are going to proclaim their new outlook of fiscal responsibility then jeter should have been on board with that…

    i’m not a jeter hater as much as not being a fan of the people on here that see yankee players as the greatest humans on earth but someone like michael young (who is better than jeter in every way) as a malcontent and a trouble maker – when he has been nothing but the ultimate team player..

    going back to your question about acquiring hanram or andrus – unfortunately that would never happen because the yankees don’t like to step on the toes of their icons by getting players that are better and more productive and cheaper…and i’m a yankee fan not a jeter fan..if i can sign or trade for someone better than jeter (or whomever i’m not jeter bashing specifically) that makes the team stronger then i don’t have any sentimental ties to that player…..
    the reason i brought jeter up is that michael young is the derek jeter of the rangers..

  93. Irreverent Discourse February 8th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    There were a lot of late FA signing last season that threw off the pecota projections. They are supposed to change as more information becomes available…

  94. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Patrick

    Couple of issues:

    1. Roberts would be the leadoff hitter.

    2. Replace Izturis with JJ Hardy

    Reynolds was in a lineup with no one around him – he’s going to now have Markakis and Vlad around him and even though he hit sub .200 he still hit 32 HR playing in a division with a ton of pitcher friendly parks. His home park is smaller than the one he played in with Arizona and Yankee Stadium, Rogers Centre, Fenway and the Trop are all better hitter parks than PETCO, AT&T, and Dodger Stadium.

    Lee needs to be healthy – I agree there.

  95. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    O’s need a healthy vlad and d lee and some hitting out of weiters would be nice.

    thier young pitchers are likely to be better this year, though.

    buck wont let them fall back to where they were, i see a .500 team.

  96. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Is it bad that after reading this guest post I’m not sure I want Joba as a starter OR a reliever? And I’m someone who still has one foot on the ‘Joba to the rotation’ side of this debate..dang you LoHud!!

  97. Patrick February 8th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Mell,

    Oops, you are right.

    Also I looked at Adam Jones’ stats again and it’s not that he had a down year, he just never took the next step (like the rest of Baltimore’s young players). His stats in 2010 were very similar to his 2009 stats, which is not a good thing because he wasn’t that good in 2009.

    For the Orioles to break .500 they would need their young guys like Reimold, Pie, Jones, and Weiters to improve and at the same time the veterans like Reynolds, Lee, Guerrero to bounce back after down years. Not to mention the pitching… yikes

  98. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Irreverent Discourse February 8th, 2011 at 11:01 am
    Its hilarious to watch you all argue about PECOTA standings, a projection system built upon statistics that you refuse to acknowledge.

    ——————

    I don’t refuse to acknowledge them – I just think the methodology is flawed. Seeing those projections does nothing to change that feeling.

  99. Patrick February 8th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Chip how about a bet? I bet you that the Orioles finish with less than 80 wins.

  100. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Patrick February 8th, 2011 at 11:12 am
    Mell,

    Oops, you are right.

    Also I looked at Adam Jones’ stats again and it’s not that he had a down year, he just never took the next step (like the rest of Baltimore’s young players). His stats in 2010 were very similar to his 2009 stats, which is not a good thing because he wasn’t that good in 2009.

    For the Orioles to break .500 they would need their young guys like Reimold, Pie, Jones, and Weiters to improve and at the same time the veterans like Reynolds, Lee, Guerrero to bounce back after down years. Not to mention the pitching… yikes

    —————-

    I think Reimold is gone – though I’m not positive.

    Pie is going to be a bench player. The addition of Vlad at DH means Luke Scott will be playing LF so at best Pie will be a defensive sub.

    Weiters absolutely needs to improve.

    As for the pitching

    Matuz and Arietta are extremely talented and Koji and Gonzalez setting up Gregg is not a bad back of the pen.

  101. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Chip – don’t take that bet, man! (sorry Patrick, but that’s almost not even fair).

  102. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Patrick -

    Ok, I’ll take 80 or more.

  103. pat February 8th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    5 words that can make some Yankee fans very happy.

    BrianCoz Montero now doing catching drills. #yankees

  104. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    My AL East projections:

    NYY
    Bos
    Toronto
    Bal
    Tampa

  105. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Patrick swooped in first but I would love to piggyback on a bet with Chip regarding the Orioles.

  106. Mell February 8th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    “Patrick swooped in first but I would love to piggyback on a bet with Chip regarding the Orioles.”

    Ditto.

  107. Tom in N.J. February 8th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    How is the methodology BP uses flawed?

    What is BP’s methodology ?

  108. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    tampa in last? too much pitching for that to happen imo.

  109. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    LGY & Mell – tell you what:

    O’s finish > 80 wins I have to come on here every day between the end of the season and the start of FA and on every thread post “I was wrong, LGY, Patrick and Mell were right – they’re the men” (or words to that effect) O’s finish with 80 wins or more – you three have to do it.

  110. Irreverent Discourse February 8th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Tom in N.J. – They don’t know, so they just assume it doesn’t work.

  111. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 February 8th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    but someone like michael young (who is better than jeter in every way)
    ______________________________________________________
    Uhh in general or are you talking 2010?

  112. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 11:20 am
    tampa in last? too much pitching for that to happen imo.

    —————-

    Bullpen is so bad that Kyle Farnsworth is their closer.

    They have an attrocious lineup

  113. pat February 8th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    AnthonyMcCarron Russell Martin now taking BP in early spring workouts here at Yankee complex in Tampa. Colin Curtis, too

  114. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Chip,

    I was thinking more in the line of something with a green color.

  115. Patrick February 8th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Reimold starts the season in AAA.

    In my opinion Vlad will not bounce back after a terrible second half in 2010 and will eventually be a bench player for Baltimore (or on the DL). Then Scott moves to DH and Pie goes to LF.

    There are just a ton of question marks for Baltimore. They might be really good but in all likelihood they will be pretty bad.

    The Orioles have the makings of a good pitching staff… in a few years. Matusz, Arietta, Britton, Tillman… lot of potential there

  116. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    At least there isn’t money involved, Chip. I’m afraid you’d be broke..

  117. Chip February 8th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    LGY February 8th, 2011 at 11:25 am
    Chip,

    I was thinking more in the line of something with a green color.

    —————————-

    I wouldn’t want to take the food out of your mouths when I’m right.

  118. Mell February 8th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    “I was thinking more in the line of something with a green color.”

    Me too. If the O’s are at 79 W’s or less, I think you should have to give each of us a bag of spearmint leaves.

  119. nyygik February 8th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    As a former sports director of WBRS (1985-87) and a Yankees fan, I was particularly interested in your post, eventhough I disagree with your premise that Joba should stay in the bullpen. By the way, our sports talk show when I was at Brandeis aired Sunday nights at 11, with another show on Friday at 7 during football season.

  120. Patrick February 8th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    “I was thinking more in the line of something with a green color.”

    Me too :)

    Here are my AL east predictions:

    NYY 100 wins
    Boston 99 wins
    Tampa 95 wins
    Toronto 88 wins
    Baltimore 70 wins

  121. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    chip i agree with you about tampas lineup even with a healthy damon/longoria/manny they are weak at the plate. but i just dont think a team with that good SP will end up in last or even under .500.

    id predict 3rd place and about 85 wins.

  122. Erica in NY February 8th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    LGY February 8th, 2011 at 11:25 am
    Chip,

    I was thinking more in the line of something with a green color.

    *************

    A Kermit the Frog bet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  123. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    The O’s just don’t have the starting pitching to deal with 70ish games against the Rays, Jays, Sox, and Yanks.

  124. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    ill put the socks at 92 wins, tampa at 85 and tor/balt just under .500
    i dont predict what the yankees will do, im too much of a fan. but i see overall a tighter division this year meaning less wins for the socks and yankees. the WC team may come from the central or even the west.

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    NYY626 – Andy in 2011 February 8th, 2011 at 11:23 am
    but someone like michael young (who is better than jeter in every way)
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    Uhh in general or are you talking 2010?

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    their career numbers/averages are pretty close…add in the fact that young made what 8 – 10 (or more) million dollars less per year and has been the ultimate team player – can you imagine the comments that jeter would be making if he was moved off his position 4 times in the last 6 years..

    but to answer your question – attitude wise (he has moved positions without too much resistance) he’s light years better….career numbers wise he’s similar…and recent and future number wise he’s much better….

    again i’m not a jeter basher…just pointing out that michael young has no reason to be labeled a malcontent or a selfish player…..we all saw what kind of “team player” jeter was this offseason with his contract negotiations…

  126. Irreverent Discourse February 8th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    People are still very high on the rays. All pitching and no stick only works in the NL west.

  127. tyanksfan36 February 8th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    I bought Baseball Prospectus 2010 for 3 dollars online. From reading it, it seemed to me that they made batting averages too low and ERAa too high

  128. Irreverent Discourse February 8th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    can you imagine the comments that jeter would be making if he was moved off his position 4 times in the last 6 years

    we all saw what kind of “team player” jeter was this offseason with his contract negotiations…

    Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

  129. Cashman needs to go February 8th, 2011 at 11:41 am

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    People are still very high on the rays. All pitching and no stick only works in the NL west.

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    Speaking of being wrong all the time…tell me again what division the World Series winners came from this year……fanboy?

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  131. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    ” All pitching and no stick only works in the NL west.”

    2008 rays went to the WS with only 2 guys over 65 rbi.

  132. Irreverent Discourse February 8th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    CNTG – Are you serious, or has reading comprehension just completely passed you by…

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    YsGuy – RBI’s are a result, not a reason.

  134. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    are you denying that the 2008 rays were a success because of thier pitching or just nit-picking the stats i used?

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    YsGuy – No, they clearly rode the backs of their pitching staff to the playoffs, but they were still dead center of the league in all batting stats (with a better lineup than they have now).

    One example does not constitute a trend. You cannot consistently win in the AL east under those conditions.

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    Young’s drama doesn’t interest me at all. I think of it as a marriage gone bad. whichever both side felt that they are aggrieved by the other prolly has some form of merits. It’s pointless to play the blame game. it is of some interest to see where he goes. I hope he be happy elsewhere and do his thing.

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