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Spring decision: Backup catcher

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 08, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian Cashman made this much clear: Russell Martin will be the Yankees starting catcher in 2011, and Jorge Posada will get the bulk of his at-bats as the regular designated hitter. The backup catcher, Cashman has said, is up for grabs.

The possibilities
The incumbent is Francisco Cervelli, and he seems to be heading into camp as the favorite if only because the other candidates come with player development concerns. Jesus Montero and Austin Romine are among the top catching prospects in baseball, and although neither is finished developing, both seem ready to at least contribute at the big league level. Non-roster invitee Gustavo Molina probably factors into this discussion to some degree, but he seems to be an extreme long-shot.

The easy choice
Last season, Cervelli went through the sort of peaks and valleys you’d expect from a backup catcher. The peaks were a little higher and valleys a little lower than you might anticipate, but ultimately, he was productive in his role and occasionally gave the Yankees a significant boost. He wasn’t as good defensively as his minor league reputation suggested, but pitchers seemed to enjoy throwing to him and he was certainly an energetic force whether he was on the bench or in the lineup. This winter, Cervelli worked with Robinson Cano to improve his hitting, and the easy thing would be to stick with Cervelli out of spring training.

The alternatives
Even after a so-so season in Double-A, Romine still has plenty of believers who think he’s the Yankees true future at the catching position. His defensive upside is higher than Montero’s, and he should have more than enough bat for the position. But the fact is, Romine hit .268 with 10 home runs in Double-A last year. He didn’t get many raves for his defense either. He would have to make a huge impression to get the job.

The real temptation is Montero, arguably the top non-outfield prospect in baseball. There’s little doubt he’s already a better hitter than Cervelli, the question is whether he can do the job defensively, and whether he’ll get enough at-bats to make a big league assignment worthwhile. Montero just turned 21 years old and seemed to make significant strides in the second half of last season. Another year of regular duty in Triple-A — or at least another three months of regular duty — might do Montero a lot of good in the long run. And what’s best for Montero is ultimately what’s best for the Yankees.

A separate but related issue
The Yankees might very well decide that the big picture is too important for them to carry Montero out of spring training — frankly, they owe it to themselves to see what Martin can do as well — but the situation on April 1 doesn’t have to still be the situation on July 1. Among the Yankees most important decisions is how long they can wait for Montero, and how long of a leash they can keep on Posada and Martin. What the Yankees see in spring training might not have an impact on Opening Day, but it might very well come into play by the all-star break.

Associated Press photo of Cervelli, Mike Ashmore photo of Romine

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189 Responses to “Spring decision: Backup catcher”

  1. KPB February 8th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    I know Cash says Martin is the everyday catcher, but would anyone start Posada opening day because of tradition?

  2. Betsy February 8th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    I’m no fan of Cervelli and Romine is definitely not ready. If Montero has a great spring, perhaps Montero – but more playing time in AAA wouldn’t be so bad either.

  3. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    Just for arguments sake.

    Let’s say that Montero makes such an impression during ST that the Yankees decide to bring him North.

    Here’s what I’d like to know.

    What do they do with Cervelli ?

    Send him down to AAA (does he have options left ?).

    Or try to Trade him.

    I would think they would play it safe and send him to AAA if he has options.

    What does a young BU catcher bring on the open market ?

  4. KPB February 8th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Repost

    GB7

    Thanks, but I’m more concerned about if the games are archived. As not to interfere with the majors.

  5. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Cerv has dreamy eyes… Jesus got the brawn… It’s a tough one.

  6. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    I think Montero will win the starting job in ST.

  7. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    whenever montero is ready, cervelli gets traded. at that point, his usefulness to the yankees is over and he becomes a block to developing montero/romine. they will still have martin and posada (and romine) in case of injury. cervelli is a place holder.

  8. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Repost:

    WCYF

    “A lawyer? Figures. Ambulances slow today?”

    I think it’s safe to assume that you don’t write jokes for a living.

  9. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    The great thing is the Yankees have so many options at Catcher.

    They have the luxury to configure things just about any way they wish.

    Nice problem to have.

  10. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    if cervelli showed something on defense it would be different, but he was no better than posada behind the plate last year.

  11. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    Y’s-

    What happens to Cervelli in the hypothetical scenario I posed above ?

  12. KPB February 8th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    MTU

    Would you go with Martin out of the box, or use Posada for one game on Opening Day?

  13. m1kew February 8th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    I was and am impressed with the effort Cervelli put into his workouts with Cano as reported by Jack Curry. If nothing else it shows he knows there will be a battle for the back up position and he is doing his best to maximize his chances. The work ethic and the attitude is there … maybe the time with Cano will hone his talents to a higher level. I believe that Montero has the skills now to catch at the major league level but an extra few months at AAA should help him be an even better catcher.

  14. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    KPB-

    Cashman said that Martin is his starting Catcher.

    I assume that would mean opening day.

  15. pat February 8th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    My best case scenario is Martin and Cervelli break camp with the team, Cervelli is hitting and gets traded for something of value in May and Montero heads for the Bronx to take his place.

  16. KPB February 8th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    BIG AL/GB7

    Saw your answers in the last thread, thanks. Just to be clear, I was talking about video and not radio feeds. Is the answer the same?

  17. West Coast Yankee Fan February 8th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    Only a troll would re-post that Rich.

  18. UnKnown February 8th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    So lots of patience with this team till the break, then add a piece or two and try to roll from there.

    Could be some dangerous nights in the early spring to be hanging around Lohud Territory.

  19. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    i dont see any non-injury way montero goes north with the team. i havent heard anyone suggest that he is a finished product at catcher and since they have posada, martin and cervelli to hold down that spot, there would be no reason not to continue his development at aaa. like chad said though, this only applies to ST april and may, after that all bets are off.

    but another half season of development for montero and romine and you put yourself in a position where cervelli is superfluous.

    but just for your theretical, i guess you’d put cervelli back in the minors until you are sure about montero. in the end, cervelli is out of pinstripes after this season one way or the other.

  20. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    Does anyone know.

    Does Cervelli have any options left ?

  21. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Doubt it Rich, I think Martin will most likely be the starting catcher for the majority of 11 season.
    I do see a scenario in which Montero coming up in mid season or earlier to be Martin’s understudy and possibly play more than his share as a backup. kinda like Po and G when Po first came up I guess.

  22. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    I hope Montero wins the starting C role.

  23. MichiganYankee February 8th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    I would think that, unless the team needs a kick-start in May (as in 2005 when they brought Cano and Wang up), they will keep Montero down until late June so as to avoid arbitration in 2014.

  24. West Coast Yankee Fan February 8th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Chad, I think the Yankees buy themselves an entire arbitration free year of Montero if they don’t bring him up until after Memorial Day. I think that might affect the decision somewhat; all other things being equal.

  25. Tom in N.J. February 8th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    “I think Montero will win the starting job in ST.”

    I’d really like to see that happen.

  26. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    no way you catch po on opening day. that says to the team and to posada that he is still thier starting catcher. you are not doing anyone a favor by doing that.

  27. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    LGY-

    You would like it but do you think he WILL ?

    I guess I’m asking for a confidence statement in Montero.

    If you think he is as good as you think he is then maybe he can force his way onto the the team. Right ?

    Maybe his defense surprises out of ST, and the bat is awesome.

    What then ?

  28. KPB February 8th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    MTU

    I know, but what would you do? I kinda want to see him opening the season up, for sentimental reasons.

    Then another part of me wants a clean break.

  29. 108 stitches February 8th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Although it will have no bearing on the 2011 Yankees, it will be interesting to keep a watch on the progress of Gary Sanchez.
    The best hope is that it will be a complicated decision to make during the last week of March depending on how good Martin, Cervelli, and Montero look for the chances they’ll get in the exhibition games.
    Romine is slated to be at AAA for the better part of the season and depending on how much time if any, Montero is there also.

  30. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Only a troll would re-post that Rich.

    Is this where I show you reposting all your own inane comments ?

  31. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    I am going with safe bet of Martin starting on opening day and Cervi backing up. But I do believe Cerv’s spot with this team is rather tenuous at this point. I do believe he has options left to be sent to the minor. If not, a trade.

  32. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    KPB-

    If Pettittte were back with us and somehow he were the opening day starter, and I was being sentimental then yeah, maybe.

    In the likely case, no.

    :)

  33. GreenBeret7 February 8th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    KPB,

    no on archiving of minor league games, though MLB games are for viewing only

    AL,

    since you don’t get YES, I’d suggest MLB.com for $120-$130 a year. and scratch the MLB Directv deal. The only games blacked out are the Fox and ESPN games. You can get the 162 radio feeds on 880 AM though. They are archived about 2-3 hours after the game.

  34. Betsy February 8th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    The Yankees didn’t give Martin this substantial a contract only to dump him because maybe he struggles in ST and Montero is hot. This is not a Bubba Crosby situation, IMO. Cash has already stated emphatically that Martin will start……..and even if he struggles in ST, I would never want to root for a team that changes their minds about players based on games that don’t count.

  35. KPB February 8th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
    ————–

    I agree, that’s why I added the clean break part. Just that sentiments can be a b**ch at times. :wink:

  36. SJ44 February 8th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    There isn’t a competition for Montero to win.

    Martin is the starting catcher. That’s been said numerous times by the organization.

    The Yankees haven’t had an under 22 catcher open the season as the starter since Munson.

    It’s not how they break in catchers.

    If they felt Montero was ready to start right now, they wouldn’t have signed Martin.

  37. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    I too am excited to see what Sanchez would do in short season or possibly low A? at the same token, I wonder where the Nats will start Harper and whether he can rake in his pro ball season.

  38. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    MTU

    I really have no clue if he will. It all depends on how the Yankees view the situation. If they actually make Martin prove himself instead of just handing him the job, I actually think Montero has a legitimate chance of overtaking him.

    Even if Montero did “win” the starting C role, I would still think Martin would play quite often.

    If the Yankees give Montero a fair look in Spring to win a job I could see more of a catching tandem to more easily break Montero in, instead of a SC + BUC type of thing.

  39. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    i like cervelli, but i was very dissappointed in his defense and to me, pretty much all i ask of my b/u cacther is excellent defense b/c then he can lock down the defense in late innings when they lead by a few runs. but cervelli gave us nothing on defense last year. id take molina over cervelli any day.

  40. GreenBeret7 February 8th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    KPB, nothing on MILB is archived and only MLB-TV.com video is archived.

  41. SJ44 February 8th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    They didn’t pay Russell Martin 4 million dollars to be a backup.

    The best case scenario is the one Pat laid out.

  42. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    MTU,

    I could also see Martin being the starting catcher on Opening Day, but that changing very quickly.

    I could definitely see Martin playing himself out of the job quickly.

  43. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    I think the best case scenario is Montero’s play forces the Yankees to make him the starter.

  44. KPB February 8th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    GB7

    Thanks. Are the minors games usually over by time the majors start? If not, I probably won’t get it. I know about the MLB games your talking about. I’ve gotten MLB.TV for the past 2 years and love it. It has also gone down in price, it’s only $100.00 now instead of $130.00.

  45. GreenBeret7 February 8th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    KPB, most minor league games are starting at the same times as MLB games, though there are quite a few get away late morning and day starts

  46. SJ44 February 8th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Spring training isn’t going to show that though.

    The games don’t count. He’s not going to get as many reps in games working with the starters as Martin will.

    The Yankees had the option of putting Montero in a position to win the starting job by not signing Martin.

    Clearly, they don’t feel he’s ready for that responsibility right now.

  47. Doreen February 8th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    WCYF -

    For someone who seems to like to pick nits at any opportunity, you sure throw the “troll” term around freely.

    Just sayin’

    ***

    pat has mentioned her perfect scenario before and I agree with it. I think even if Montero impresses, he should start the season in AAA to get as many games in as possible and then come up sometime in May and then start sharing the catching duties with Martin.

    Martin is going to be the starter regardless (unless he gets hurt), because of his contract.

    The only thing that lends a bit of interest to any decisions is the April schedule for the Yankees is a lot fuller than it has been in the past. I think they are going to need their 5th starter much more than is normal in April, and backups are going to get a lot more playing time than would be normally anticipated.

  48. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    the russel martin of the past two and a half years is only a b/u type catcher. good (not great) defense but no stick.

    he will start the season as the starter, but if he hits like the last 2 years, he may well be a benchwarmer come summer, and possibly for the rest of his career.

  49. GreenBeret7 February 8th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Thanks on the pricing, KPB

  50. West Coast Yankee Fan February 8th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Jerkface, having your posts deleted wasn’t enough for you? Trying to stir the pot again? You better watch your mouth and keep it civil.

  51. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    LGY-

    I was wondering if you thought that Montero might beat out Cervelli
    not Martin but thanks anyway.

  52. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    pat has mentioned her perfect scenario before and I agree with it. I think even if Montero impresses, he should start the season in AAA to get as many games in as possible and then come up sometime in May and then start sharing the catching duties with Martin.

    I think, unless he absolutely crushed spring training and is good on defense, he stays in AAA and comes up after May 19th where the Yankees get an extra year of control out of him. Its really not important what he is doing at the beginning of the year, just that he is good enough by the end of it to catch starts in the playoffs and contribute offensively.

    I could see him getting into 100 games at DH and catcher this year if all goes right.

  53. West Coast Yankee Fan February 8th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Doreen unless you have kept up with the entire thread and know what others said before I might suggest you not get involved. Thanks for your opinion though.

  54. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    wcyf, rich and whoever else is in this pissy-fight, please stop now.

  55. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    oh no my posts were deleted?!?!?!? Hopefully none of the ones where you were completely schooled re: Hughes’ curveball.

  56. BIG AL February 8th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    GB7 -

    I do get YES, but, they black it out if you don’t buy the MLB package. I’d be happy just watching the Yankees only.

    I have no desire to watch all those other games.

  57. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Jerk, not so quite confident that the Yanks will make to the playoff this year. But the rest of scenario seem plausible.

  58. West Coast Yankee Fan February 8th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    YsGuy – understood and done.

  59. GreenBeret7 February 8th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    LMAO. The worst thing anybody said to you today was that you were a Red Sox troll and transparent. Strong words. You’re the one that keeps mentioning the tasteless remarks from two days ago.

  60. Doreen February 8th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    WCYF -

    Actually, although I have not posted much, I have been following along for several days. I do, in fact, know what is going on.

    I also have been here long enough to see how you generally seem to like to spark controversy.

    I don’t particularly care, until recently, when you seem to be calling out a lot of long-time contributors as trolls.

    I don’t like it when anyone calls anyone names. I also don’t like when the pot calls the kettle black.

  61. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    The thrust is simple: If a team parks a player in the minor leagues for at least 20 days to begin the season, it can delay his free agency by one year. Teams looking to save money go a step further and keep players down for about two months, which prevents them from gaining the Super 2 status that gives the top 17 percent of any service class an extra year of salary arbitration.

    The owners lost some of what they’d gained five years later, agreeing to the Super 2. The theory was that teams could never tell precisely when 17 percent would arrive, so it didn’t matter when players were summoned. Little did they know that the number would almost turn into a science where teams could guess the cutoff, which is around May 20. And that with high salaries so pervasive, those first three years of service time – during which a team can pay a player the minimum, $400,000 – became significantly more important than ever, serving as incentive to bury players when in doubt.

    “Every economic decision that’s made with respect to a player turns on service time,” Manfred said. “It’s hard to convince a union seniority-based systems aren’t a good thing, and it’s really hard to convince them to give it up once they have it.”

    So they’re stuck with the following, no matter how backward it may seem.

    Let’s use Strasburg as an example. A full year of service entails 172 days on the active roster. If Strasburg isn’t called up in the first 20 days of the season, it will push his free-agent clock to 2016. That is almost guaranteed. By keeping him down until early June and avoiding Super 2 status, the Nationals could save $18 million, according to a breakdown by the Washington Post. The report compared Strasburg as Super 2 and non-Super 2 player, using Lincecum’s projected salaries as baselines:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....time041110

    From an article on strasberg, I think the yankees are less likely to care about super-2 as they are about the extra year of control.

  62. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    The baseball year is starting about a week earlier, so that pushes the day to call up Montero up more towards mid May.

  63. BIG AL February 8th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Good night folks, hope tomorrow is better.

  64. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    ok, lets not make this an israel-palestine situation. whatever happened before, wcyf said he would drop it, now everybody else has to drop it, too then its over.

    piling on after the truce does nobody any good.

  65. KPB February 8th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    BIG AL

    I’m like you in just wanting to watch Yankee games. I have found the cheapest way to do that is on MLB.com. It costs $100.00 for a year, instead of $170.00 (from my cable company) for just the season.

  66. Doreen February 8th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Ys Guy -

    Didn’t see the truce until after I posted.

  67. KPB February 8th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    GB7

    Has Chad sent you my email address yet?

  68. SJ44 February 8th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Montero could also use more time playing everyday.

    The more games he catches will get him the experience he lacks right now.

    I’d also like to see them wait until the weather gets warmer before calling him up.

    He’s not had a lot of experience playing in cold, damp weather.

    There is going to be enough hype/pressure on him.

    The easiest they can make it for him, and playing in better weather is certainly helpful, the better off they are.

  69. Doreen February 8th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    SJ44 -

    There is just no need to rush a 21-year-old into the big leagues.

  70. GreenBeret7 February 8th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    KPB, yes he did. I just got around to checking e-mails. I’ll put up a message after dinner. Potato is baking now. salad is done, mac and cheese is next and then a side of beef for dessert. mmmmmm

  71. Betsy February 8th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    I’m fine with Montero going to AAA to play – I see no reason to rush him.

  72. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    KPB February 8th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    BIG AL

    I’m like you in just wanting to watch Yankee games. I have found the cheapest way to do that is on MLB.com. It costs $100.00 for a year, instead of $170.00 (from my cable company) for just the season.
    +++++++++++++
    I saw a poster on another blog post about a cheaper way last year…actually free.

    The site is http://www.firstrow.net

    It is sort of like a P2P site that links to video feeds that people upload. I used it several times, and while there is a few seconds delay, it generally went very well.

  73. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    Nevermind on the last suggestion…I just saw that site was seized and is offline.

  74. SJ44 February 8th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Doreen,

    Especially on this team.

    There isn’t any logical reason to rush him.

    They have three catchers on the roster. Two, former all stars.

    Playing catcher at the major league level is the toughest job in baseball.

    Learning the league, the hitters, the pitchers, your own pitchers, gamecalling, it’s a bear.

    All you have to do is look at the way the Yankees break in catchers to see there is no way he’s going to be the starting catcher coming out of the Spring.

  75. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    If Martin has a brain cell that functions, he will realize this is the biggest year of his life, and dedicate himself to a top performance. Rumors were (from LA papers a few weeks ago) that he may have partied a little too much, which hurt his game. I expect all that energy will go towards playing hard. So I don’t expect Montero to take his job out of ST or even during 2011.

    As Sj mentioned, the Yankees will want to bring him along to teach him all the aspects he needs to know. They won’t just throw in and let him sink.

    And we all know Cervelli is “reporting to camp in the best shape of his life.” Which means he breaks camp with the team until Jesus is ready.

  76. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    There is just no need to rush a 21-year-old into the big leagues.

    If he is ready it won’t be rushing him. He needs to have major league at bats for the Yankees this year. But he doesn’t have to start out of spring. Though it’d be cool if he was the backup out of spring.

  77. KPB February 8th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    GB7

    Sounds tasty. I was looking forward to spaghetti all day, now not so much.

  78. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    the russel martin of the past two and a half years is only a b/u type catcher. good (not great) defense but no stick.

    He got on base at a .360 clip, which is better than any backup. I’ll take that + 39% CS rate if he can maintain, but I’m hoping for more.

    Gosh if he could hit .280/.375/.420 that’d be amazing.

  79. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    KPB-

    I was hoping to get some Jumbalaya and gumbo.

    Is that the best you can do ?

    :)

  80. KPB February 8th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    BoJo

    The other day I think it was you who offered up their fantasy team to me. If it was thank you and sorry I never answered back until now. The past week I’ve been having a crazy sleep problem, and don’t know why. Anyway, I never answered you because I finally fell asleep.

  81. KPB February 8th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    MTU February 8th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    KPB-

    I was hoping to get some Jumbalaya and gumbo.
    ——————

    Not a problem. :smile: I just wanted to change it up a little. :wink:

  82. Betsy February 8th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    I just want the Yankees to win – if Montero spends all season in AAA, so be it.

  83. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    KPB-

    What about the Zydeco music.

    Is that part of the travel package ?

    :)

  84. randy l. February 8th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    “I’d also like to see them wait until the weather gets warmer before calling him up.

    He’s not had a lot of experience playing in cold, damp weather.”

    sj44-

    watch out for the iceland jokes . last month i said the same thing and had more than a few regulars try to shoot down this idea that montero would do better to start in warmer weather.

    my conclusion was that these people must not have grown up playing baseball in the northeast because playing in really cold weather takes some getting used to.

  85. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    I just want the Yankees to win – if Montero spends all season in AAA, so be it.

    Montero could be integral to winning.

    Winning with Montero > Winning without Montero > Losing with Montero > Losing

  86. Doreen February 8th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Jerkface -

    The only reason I would think he should not be the backup out of spring is the playing time. I’d rather see him catch/hit every day at AAA for a few weeks, get his feet wet, get into the “swing” of things, before he gets a call-up. But I’d love to see him called up before the summer.

    I don’t think it has to do with the weather, unless SWB opens the season in warmer climes than the NYY.

  87. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    KPB February 8th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    BoJo

    The other day I think it was you who offered up their fantasy team to me. If it was thank you and sorry I never answered back until now. The past week I’ve been having a crazy sleep problem, and don’t know why. Anyway, I never answered you because I finally fell asleep
    +++++++++++++
    That’s quite all right. I hope you fell better and can get some sleep.

  88. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Last I heard Trenton was in the Northeast.

  89. SJ44 February 8th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    I do agree Montero should get ML AB’s this year.

    Ideally, I’d like those to be in the second half of the year.

    I’d like to see Jim get 40-60 more games behind the plate in AAA.

    Bring him up for the second half when the weather gets warmer and the Yankees have a feel for their needs in the second half of the year.

    It would be as if he was a trade acquisition in season.

  90. GreenBeret7 February 8th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    KPB, joe In LI has nothing on me, now. I’m a guy that won’t be bragging about my meals and stuff. I’ll just eat it get stuffed. I’won’t brag about popping a cork on wine. I prefer the screw-off caps. Big waste of cork.

  91. Betsy February 8th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Jerkface, how do you figure a very young catcher is going to be integral to winning? If the Yankees have to depend on him, then something has gone wrong.

  92. Doreen February 8th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    randy l/SJ44 -

    The weather is the weather and I think Montero is going to be playing in some cool weather whether he starts the season with the AAA team or the ML team. Are you simply referring to letting him perhaps get off to a slow start out of the NY spotlight?

  93. Betsy February 8th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    I think Montero has to earn a call up – if he’s not doing well, then I don’t think he should be brought up just to give him some at bats.

  94. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Gosh if he could hit .280/.375/.420 that’d be amazing.
    ++++++++++++++
    If he does, who is your starting C in 2012?

    Mine would be Martin for the glove he brings.

  95. Nick in SF February 8th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    randy, your conclusion was just as wrong then as it is now and no one suggested that it wouldn’t be preferable for Montero to start his big league career in warmer weather (all things being equal).

    The point of the jokes was to tie in the cold-weather city of Minnesota and make fun of your obsession with all things Twins.

    How could you miss that????????

  96. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    just combing through leftover inf options on the remaining FA list. I find Aybar and Lugo as couple interesting names that the Yanks could possibly add to the Chavez and Belliard mix.

  97. SJ44 February 8th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    He hasn’t played a lot of baseball in his career in cold and damp weather.

    Last year, he got off to a bad start playing in rotten weather in Scranton.

    He hasn’t played any games in NY.

    He’s the most hyped Yankee prospect since Derek Jeter.

    Anything you can do to ease him in comfortably is the prudent way to go.

  98. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Jerkface, how do you figure a very young catcher is going to be integral to winning? If the Yankees have to depend on him, then something has gone wrong.

    Because he could hit 20 bombs, never know which of those bombs propels the yankees to a win they wouldn’t have. I am not ‘figuring’ that he is going to be integral to winning, I am saying he COULD be.

    I don’t think he would hurt the Yankees chances of winning certainly, and might not even be necessary, but there is a chance he could be vital to winning.

    Its like, do you think in 09, that Hughes was vital to keeping the Yankees on top after he went to the bullpen? I don’t think anyone thought he was going to be integral to success in 2009 but he certainly could have been and might have really been vital. Thats just the kind of thinking I am going with. If you’re going to pick minor leaguers who might be critical to success in 2011, I don’t think you can go wrong banking on Montero.

  99. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Interesting. I wonder if Montero’s slow start last year was related to adjusting to cold weather…

  100. Nick in SF February 8th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Also, we made fun of you because you said Montero was from the wrong country.

    And yeah, both Trenton and Scranton-WB can be a little chilly in March and April.

    So basically, a good time was had by all and your conclusions were bad!

  101. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Most people on here may want the Yankees to be conservative with Montero, but I do not.

    I want them to be aggressive. His bat is MLB ready and he is integral to this team’s future. I want them to be aggressive and challenge him. You may prefer they take it slow and that is fine, but I disagree.

    The hardest adjustment a player makes in his career is going from the minors to the majors. It will very likely be a difficult transition (like basically every other player) for Montero no matter how much more time he spends in Scranton.

    The quicker Montero adjust to the major leagues to better off the Yankees will be. I don’t want Montero called too late and his adjustment is taking place during a pennant race. I would rather him be up from the start or very early (like in May to add an extra year as Face described) so he is really integrated with the team for the heat of the pennant race.

    I want him up with the major league team ASAP so he is working with the pitching staff on a daily basis and working with Pena, Girardi, Posada, and Kevin Long on a daily basis.

    I want Montero training and learning from the big boys. So when the summer really hits and the pennant race is heating up the kid is really a major league baseball player that CC Sabathia and Co trust.

  102. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    If he does, who is your starting C in 2012?

    Mine would be Martin for the glove he brings.

    Martin of course. I don’t need Montero to be the starting catcher. I just think he needs to be in the lineup. Make sense? If he isn’t going to be a good defensive catcher, but an elite bat, then failing to have a viable starter I would make him the starter. If there is a viable starter, then Montero is going to catch 60-80 games and DH / 1B / RF the rest of the time. If he is an average catcher with an elite bat then you trade the other viable starter. Or split them anyways.

    Point is, I want Montero in the lineup batting 3-4-5-6 somewhere in there in 2012 and beyond for 162 games.

  103. Nick in SF February 8th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Of course, if they leave Montero in Tampa until May so he doesn’t get too cold, I will owe you a hearty apology.

    Another suspenseful storyline!

  104. Betsy February 8th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Jerkface, but he’s not the only one that can hit 20 HRs – if he’s not needed up here, I don’t see any reason to just give him at bats just to give him some at bats. As I said, if he’s integral to their success, then something went wrong with their lineup – that’s the only way he might have an impact like Phil and, even then, he’d have to be pretty huge numbers to have the impact like Phil did.

  105. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    I don’t see how calling Montero up in May, June, July whatever eases the pressure on him.

    I can see the headlines now. Yankees call up blue chip catching prospect. Imagine if the Yankees are in 3rd place when this happens? Yankees call up stud prospect Montero desperate to get out of 3rd place or whatever.

    If Montero is called up midseason all the attention is going to be on him, especially if the Yankees are struggling or going through a rough patch.

    If Montero is with the team from Day 1, he is just another New York Yankee on the 25 man roster.

  106. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    I want him up with the major league team ASAP so he is working with the pitching staff on a daily basis and working with Pena, Girardi, Posada, and Kevin Long on a daily basis.

    This is one of my big points re: prospects. The major leagues have better instructors, facilities, and more veteran presence. I want Montero to be up here before Pena leaves to manage somewhere else.

  107. randy l. February 8th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    “I don’t think it has to do with the weather, unless SWB opens the season in warmer climes than the NYY.”

    doreen-

    it’s harder to hit in cold weather. it doesn’t matter if montero has the same bad weather in scranton and doesn’t hit there because it’s the minor leagues. it will be a very big deal when he comes up for the first time and i think it should be under optimum hitting conditions which would be warmer weather than april.

  108. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Jerkface, but he’s not the only one that can hit 20 HRs – if he’s not needed up here, I don’t see any reason to just give him at bats just to give him some at bats. As I said, if he’s integral to their success, then something went wrong with their lineup – that’s the only way he might have an impact like Phil and, even then, he’d have to be pretty huge numbers to have the impact like Phil did.

    What? Ok, yea someone else can hit 20 HRs, sure, maybe. What exactly are you arguing here? Nothing has to go wrong for Jesus Montero to be vital to the Yankees next season. None of Montero’s major league ABs are given ‘for the hell of it’. He will eventually need major league ABs to begin his adjustment to the major leagues. The sooner the better. Your point about winning completely ignores the possibility that Montero comes up, is a good hitter, and does something good during the season. Its not like he is going to come up and provide superfluous offense. Don’t you think Marcus Thames was vital to the Yankees winning a few games last season? Did anyone count on Marcus Thames to be vital before the season began? I am merely positing that the Yankees can win with Montero and maybe even because of him.

  109. Doreen February 8th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    randy l -

    Which is why I asked the follow-up question to that. :)

    But at some point, the boy IS going to have to hit in cold weather. I guess next season is soon enough for that. ;)

  110. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    it’s harder to hit in cold weather. it doesn’t matter if montero has the same bad weather in scranton and doesn’t hit there because it’s the minor leagues. it will be a very big deal when he comes up for the first time and i think it should be under optimum hitting conditions which would be warmer weather than april.

    I understand you want him in the best conditions for success possible, but eventually he is going to have to deal with the sub-zero temperatures of Yankee stadium in April, and figure out how to catch and hit beneath the 20 foot snow drifts. The sooner he does it the better.
    I don’t want him breaking camp next spring and arriving in New York and freaking out for the first month because the snow flurries are so thick he can’t see 5 feet ahead of him.

    Infact, what if he has already gotten a taste of it last year in AAA and is better prepared to handle it? He can only improve through experience, not by hiding him from it.

  111. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    I don’t want Montero’s first cold weather major league hitting experience to be in October as the Yankees are once again beating the Twins in the first round of the playoffs.

  112. Betsy February 8th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Jerkface, sorry you don’t understand what I’m saying- we’ll just have to disagree.

  113. Nick in SF February 8th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    All kidding aside, randy makes a good point: if they can avoid having a kid from the Domican Republic Mexico Costa Mesa Venezuala play in the cold in his rookie season, they should do it.

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 8th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Thank God Posada is being moved out of the starting role. Maybe a year too late, but better late than never.

  115. SJ44 February 8th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    The Yankees have already shown though they don’t plan on being aggressive with Montero by signing Martin.

  116. Nick in SF February 8th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Wait, is he actually from Vuvuzela?

    Now I’m getting confused.

    :oops:

  117. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Point is, I want Montero in the lineup batting 3-4-5-6 somewhere in there in 2012 and beyond for 162 games.
    +++++++++++++
    I agree

    LF Gardner
    2B Cano
    DH Montero

  118. J. Alfred Prufrock February 8th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Betsy February 8th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
    Jerkface, how do you figure a very young catcher is going to be integral to winning? If the Yankees have to depend on him, then something has gone wrong.
    ///
    Buster Posey says hello.& Santana was killin it before he got injured.

  119. KPB February 8th, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    MTU

    For you, I’ll even throw in a tour by air boat, hit Bourbon Street, …………and hopefully stay out of trouble. :smile:

  120. Betsy February 8th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    J Alfred, our lineup is already set…….so, there’s no room for Montero unless there is an injury or performance issue

  121. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    KPB-

    Very generous. Now to hit lotto.

    I’d love to revisit Deannies off Bourbon street.

    Something about a plateful of cajun style seafood, cold brewski’s, and lot’s of eye candy definitely appeals to me.

    I’ll let you you know when I win.

    And again, thank you for your generous offer.

  122. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Oh and by the way KPB, why would I want to stay OUT of trouble ?

    ;)

  123. Doreen February 8th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Nick in SF -

    LOL!!!

  124. randy l. February 8th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    “I don’t see how calling Montero up in May, June, July whatever eases the pressure on him.”

    lgy-

    try taking your laptop outside right now and type your next ten posts out there :)

  125. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    Randy-

    If he does that he’ll freeze his electrons off !

  126. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    question, does Jeter have player option for 2015?

  127. Doreen February 8th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    LGY -

    It may not ease the pressure incumbent upon him being a highly touted prospect, but what it could do is make the circumstances under which he makes his debut a lot more conducive to success. I believe that’s the point randy l and SJ44 are trying to make.

  128. Nick in SF February 8th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Seriously, though, I think a confluence of factors will keep Montero in AAA when the season opens.

    For one thing, he doesn’t finish his Super 8 Videography course until the middle of May, right?

  129. randy l. February 8th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    sj44-

    just out of curiosity, did tony growing up in miami area have any problems adjusting to the cold spring weather when he went to boston college?

  130. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan
    Only a troll would re-post that Rich.
    __

    Um…k.

  131. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    randy,

    I went down the street a few blocks to a college and walked into the middle of an advanced computer programming class. I announced, “Hello everyone! I am LGY. I am a super poster prospect at Lohud Yankees Blog. I am here to get my computer skills on with you.”

    I was feeling the pressure.

  132. Nick in SF February 8th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    A lot Siberian players have trouble adjusting to the warm weather in the USA.

    It’s a growing concern.

  133. BX33 February 8th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Cervelli had a higher OPS then Martin over the last 2 years.

    Let’s not act like he is a sure thing. He has as much to prove as anyone.

  134. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    Doreen,

    I thought you might be interested in this article.

    “All told, the Yankees will have to use their fifth starter just six times in the season’s first 42 games.”

    http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....vor-41424/

  135. MTU February 8th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    Enjoy your evening folks.

    :)

  136. randy l. February 8th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    lgy-

    are you seriously saying that hitting a baseball in cold spring weather is the same as hitting a baseball in warm weather ?

    i’m only going to respect you if you answer this while sitting in a snowbank .

    i’ll need you to take a photo on your smart phone and get it up to flickr to prove you actually did it under pressure while freezin your ass off.

  137. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    “Let’s not act like he is a sure thing. He has as much to prove as anyone.”

    Including that he is healthy and durable, so it’s possible that the “backup” catcher could get starter-like PT.

  138. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    “are you seriously saying that hitting a baseball in cold spring weather is the same as hitting a baseball in warm weather ?”

    ——————-

    Yes.

    I said that in my _:_ _ pm post.

  139. SJ44 February 8th, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    Randy,

    Freshman year, it was a huge adjustment for him.

    He had never played in cold weather before and the weather in Boston his freshman year was especially bad.

    Aluminum bats also didn’t help since the vibration from making contact with stung hands badly.

    It’s an adjustment. At the major league level, with everything else a catcher has to do, it just adds to it a bit.

    For a kid like Montero, anything you can do to ease him into the fray is helpful.

    He doesn’t have Derek Jeter type of maturity.

    Jeter was the most mature 21 year old I’ve seen in my lifetime with the Yankees.

    He had an amazing feel for the life of a big leaguer and handled the expectations and the ups and downs amazingly well.

    The Yankees know they have to handle Montero differently than they did Jeter. That’s why Martin is here.

  140. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    BX33 February 8th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Cervelli had a higher OPS then Martin over the last 2 years.

    Let’s not act like he is a sure thing. He has as much to prove as anyone.
    ++++++++++++++
    Definitely.

    But it’s spring…hope springs eternal.

  141. Doreen February 8th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    LGY -

    Thanks! It’s always nice when someone else does the work, isn’t it?? :)

    I guess even though there didn’t seem like that many days off, they seem to fall “just right.”

  142. J. Alfred Prufrock February 8th, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Betsy February 8th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
    J Alfred, our lineup is already set…….so, there’s no room for Montero unless there is an injury or performance issue
    ///
    Betsy, slugging at nearly .700 (post AS break) can upset the most set lineup plans :D.

  143. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    No one is arguing the difficulties of hitting in cold weather but the type of weight that should have in delaying montero’s debut. He’ll have to hit in the cold eventually. Hitting in the cold can be more painful and physical not. Impossible.

  144. J. Alfred Prufrock February 8th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    I don’t just think/know Montero can significantly help this team (who can’t anticipate that??),instead I would suggest that he is necessary for this team to separate itself from the competition.

  145. KPB February 8th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    MTU February 8th, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Oh and by the way KPB, why would I want to stay OUT of trouble ?

    ;)
    ————————–

    You’re absolutely right. Trouble can be fun, it’s getting caught that thoroughly sucks. :smile:

  146. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    “I would suggest that he is necessary for this team to separate itself from the competition.”

    It depends on the starting pitching. If it’s good, I agree. If it’s not, then a productive Montero could help ensure that the Yankees can compete with virtually any team.

  147. randy l. February 8th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    “He had never played in cold weather before and the weather in Boston his freshman year was especially bad.

    Aluminum bats also didn’t help since the vibration from making contact with stung hands badly.”

    sj44-

    even with a wood bat, hitting a foul ball can sting your hands in cold weather. a player has to know to wait until he gets the feel back in his hands before swinging again. wearing extra clothing changes the swing. it’s harder to grip the bat. when it feels slippery in the cold the hitter has to squeeze the bat harder which decreases bat speed.

    on a humorous note,i heard one pitcher in the bradenton explorers bullpen say that the coldest weather he had ever played in was at veterans field in chatham in the cape league in the summer.

  148. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    I’m actually coming around to Randy’s ideas. Forget May, June, July, infact forget 2011. Everyone knows that its harder to hit major league pitching than minor league pitching, so I think its in Montero’s best interest to never come up to the majors at all.

  149. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    I’d be very worried if Montero suffered as much as Austin Jackson did in the cold weather breaking camp with a big league team: .364 .422 .495 .917, terrible. Imagine if he had debut’d in June? A .400 average would not have been out of the question.

  150. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    To put Montero in the best position to succeed, I’ve decided he should be demoted to short season leagues only, facing fresh off the boat GCL prospects 4 years younger than himself in the warm weather of Florida.

  151. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    The Twins would never let one of their prospects have their first cold weather ML at bats happen in the playoffs.

    Shame on you randy.

  152. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    With all the INternational FA signings the Yankees do, I do wish they had built the sliding roof onto YS.

    Personally, I hate cold weather baseball…to me, it a game of summer and warm weather.

  153. J. Alfred Prufrock February 8th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Rich in NJ February 8th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
    “I would suggest that he is necessary for this team to separate itself from the competition.”

    It depends on the starting pitching. If it’s good, I agree. If it’s not, then a productive Montero could help ensure that the Yankees can compete with virtually any team.
    ////

    Agree with that on both counts.He gives them a pull away bat if they pitch,and his bat maybe lets them hang around in games they otherwise might not.

    At the moment,I don’t see our SP as any weaker than Boston’s,I like it better, in fact.I do think AJ will bounce back,not out of hope or sentiment,but because he showed signs of reviving in certain late starts & his velo was back up in his postseason apperance,plus he dusted off that change & it was pretty nasty.

    If it’s that AJ we get we should be alright.See no reason why Hughes doesn’t get even better and CC you just don’t worry about.Nova will take a positive step I think.The BP is better than Boston’s.The wild card in the division is Tampa,who just got a makeover by adding Manny & Damon (especially Manny).I do think BJ Upton is going to take off at the plate with Manny around.Just a hunch.That staff is pretty solid as well. So yes, if we pitch, Montero can add a season defining bat, so I take the position he is necessary as opposed to a luxury.

  154. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    To put Montero in the best position to succeed, I’ve decided he should be demoted to short season leagues only, facing fresh off the boat GCL prospects 4 years younger than himself in the warm weather of Florida
    ++++++++++++++++++
    Do you think he could get in the HOF in just 3 year s as a result?

  155. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    JAP

    One of these days, BJ Upton will take off..too much talent.

    Someone here said they would cringe at giving him a multi-year deal, and I agree at this point…But I do think he will mature and grow into an All Star.

  156. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    One of these days, BJ Upton will take off..too much talent.

    Not if he has to keep hitting in the brisk 70 degree weather of Tropicana Field.

  157. randy l. February 8th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    lgy and jerkface-

    i’m not sure if any other issue shows how removed you two are from the real game of baseball when you try to challenge the reality that hitting in cold weather is more difficult for most players.

  158. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    I think Manny will put up better DH numbers than Po this year.

  159. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    Randy

    in my experience hitting in cold weather is easier than warm weather.

    It is why the Twins organization was smart enough to build an outdoor stadiums

  160. J. Alfred Prufrock February 8th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
    JAP

    One of these days, BJ Upton will take off..too much talent.

    Someone here said they would cringe at giving him a multi-year deal, and I agree at this point…But I do think he will mature and grow into an All Star.

    ///
    Bojo,that swing is awful.Manny Ramirez is going to remake BJ Upton,who definitely has a world of talent.Really,is there a more natural CF in the majors today? I don’t think so.Though it’s not widely reported,Ramirez takes a special interest in helping teammates with hitting mechanics & devotes a great deal of time to this.I just think he and BJ are going to hit it off,so to speak.

    The Rays giving anyone a multi-year deal that isn’t named Longoria or Price would be a shocker.You know,if he were ours,I’d lock him up (especially with Kevin Long aboard).With that kind of talent,I’d roll the dice because I think you are right,there’s an All-Star in there waiting to be born.

  161. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Montero needs to be up here ASAP so him and Posada can form a Dominican Alliance and push Martin out of power.

  162. J. Alfred Prufrock February 8th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
    I think Manny will put up better DH numbers than Po this year.
    ///
    Manny is going to hit the crap out of the ball in that park.But I expect Po to have a productive,even dynamic,year at the plate.He’s not goin to be dealing with concussions,shoulders,knees,back,etc.He hasn’t been just a good hitter for a catcher,he’s just a fine,fine hitter.I think the rest,once he gets used to DH-ing,is going to give him a new lease on hitting.

  163. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    Watching BJ Upton play CF, steal bases, launch bombs….really an exciting player to watch

  164. randy l. February 8th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    “The Yankees know they have to handle Montero differently than they did Jeter. That’s why Martin is here.”

    sj44-

    i really like the yankees picking up martin. on pat m’s enthusiasm for him i watched some youtube videos of martin with the dodgers. he has the potential to be a really good player. he’s a real take charge guy and plays hard. and he’s got some skills.

    i’m really looking forward to watching martin. that’s one cashman move i’m liking.

  165. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    JAP–

    I posted my dream line-up for 2014 a day or 2 ago…I had Bryce Harper in RF and BJ Upton in CF and Grandy in LF with Gardner as 4th OFer getting 400 plus ABs…

    Harper and Upton are the only 2 position players that I would love to acquire. While they aren’t absolutely necessary, I would love to see them play in Yankee uniforms.

  166. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    Russell Martin has spent his whole major league career in sunny Los Angeles.

    Best to keep him off the active roster until it warms up outside.

  167. yankeefeminista February 8th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    I love BJ too, but he needs a batting coach. Derek Shelton’s mission when he joined the Rays was to cut down the K’s, but since his arrival, BJ’s K rates have gone up. (30.6%)

  168. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    I can see Po having a good season without the wears and tears of being a every day catcher. But Manny is prolly the best RH hitter of my generation, and more importantly, I think he has something left in the tank. But we will see…

  169. J. Alfred Prufrock February 8th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Bojo,

    If BJ wasn’t in the AL East,we probably would have a shot at acquiring him.That’s a nasty OF you’ve got there :D

  170. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    LGY February 8th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Montero needs to be up here ASAP so him and Posada can form a Dominican Alliance and push Martin out of power.
    ++++++++++++++
    Isn’t Posada from PR?

  171. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Martin is a good risk/reward pickup, but let’s not pretend that he can magically return to being the player he was. He may suck.

  172. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    I can see Po having a good season without the wears and tears of being a every day catcher. But Manny is prolly the best RH hitter of my generation, and more importantly, I think he has something left in the tank. But we will see
    ++++++++++++++
    And thus the consequences of giving Po a 4th year finally come to bear.

  173. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Po is P.R. , I guess that’s where the alliance come from…

  174. J. Alfred Prufrock February 8th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
    LGY February 8th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Montero needs to be up here ASAP so him and Posada can form a Dominican Alliance and push Martin out of power.
    ++++++++++++++
    Isn’t Posada from PR?
    ///
    Bojo,
    Yeah,he’s PR (but actually Cuban ethnicity). It’s the twins tweaking Randy again.He referred to Montero as Dominican (he’s from Venezuela).Try to keep up with the soap opera within the blog,will ya? :)

  175. randy l. February 8th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    “Russell Martin has spent his whole major league career in sunny Los Angeles.

    Best to keep him off the active roster until it warms up outside.”

    lgy-

    good thinking.

    but one flaw in your theory:

    “Russell Nathan Jeanson Coltrane Martin Jr. (born February 15, 1983, in East York, Ontario) is a Canadian Major League Baseball catcher for the New York Yankees.”

    the operative word is “canadian” :)

  176. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    Been sleeping today (under the weather again). Sorry but thanks for catching me up!

  177. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    And thus the consequences of giving Po a 4th year finally come to bear.
    ————
    sure, same can be say about Jete in 2 yrs. I guess that’s price u pay for legacy players.

  178. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    Cashmoney
    —————-
    yep

  179. randy l. February 8th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    “Martin is a good risk/reward pickup, but let’s not pretend that he can magically return to being the player he was. He may suck.”

    yes, but he may be another swisher too.

  180. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Time to take out the recyclables and garbage/ Good night everybody.

  181. J. Alfred Prufrock February 8th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    yankeefeminista February 8th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
    I love BJ too, but he needs a batting coach. Derek Shelton’s mission when he joined the Rays was to cut down the K’s, but since his arrival, BJ’s K rates have gone up. (30.6%)
    ////
    that’s an ugly K rate.It’s like nobody has tried to tweak this kid.Loads of talent in the Upton family.Imagine an OF of BJ & J-UP.

  182. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    randy,

    Cano had the best month of his career in the cold weather of April last year and dominated in the playoffs when again it was cold.

    Coincidence? I think not.

  183. Nick in SF February 8th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    randy, isn’t it terribly reckless of you to bring your strawman up to the big leagues of LoHud in the middle of winter?

  184. SJ44 February 8th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    LGY,

    Cano was also in his fifth year in the majors and ninth overall year as a pro.

    The two situations aren’t remotely comparable.

  185. Tom in N.J. February 8th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    Good thinking on keeping Montero away from the cold. I hear that the Scranton/ Wilkes-Barre area is much warmer than NY in early spring.

  186. randy l. February 8th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    “randy, isn’t it terribly reckless of you to bring your strawman up to the big leagues of LoHud in the middle of winter?”

    it would have been while i was on cape cod, but i’m in florida now.

  187. Nick in SF February 8th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    You may be in Florida, but the majority of people reading your fallacious posts are coooooold.

    I am cold too, but just Humboldt County cold.

  188. SJ44 February 8th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    The difference is letting learn and develop in Scranton a little longer rather than sitting on the bench in NY and easing him in.

    He isn’t going to be the Opening Day starting catcher.

    The Yankees wouldn’t have given Russell Martin 4 million dollars and declared him the starting catcher if they thought Montero was ready to assume the role from Day One.

  189. Nick in SF February 8th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    randy will stick to reality in the next thread.

    :arrow:

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