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The view from the minor league complex, plus some links

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Feb 08, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

For those of you curious about what’s going on down in Tampa this week, one of our frequent readers — blog handle, Tyanksfan36 — emailed this picture which was taken this morning at the Yankees minor league complex in Tampa.

• The Red Sox reportedly consider Alfredo Aceves a starter rather than a reliever. He also had a big league offer from the Mets.

• With good reason, the story of Wake Forest coach Tom Walter is spreading to various media outlets: Walter donated a kidney to freshman outfielder Kevin Jordan, who was actually drafted by the Yankees before committing to Wake Forest.

• Jay Jaffe used PECOTA to evaluate the Yankees fourth and fifth starter candidates. Believe it or not, the best projected numbers belonged to Sergio Mitre and Hector Noesi. Ivan Nova’s numbers are near the bottom, behind Manny Banuelos and David Phelps. By the way, I think there’s a very real chance we’ll still be talking about Noesi in the middle of March. He could make a run at this thing.

The Yankees signed a kid named Freiter Marte out of the Dominican Prospect League. He’s a 20-year-old outfielder, but that’s pretty much all I know about him.

• A a few days ago Donnie Collins offered a nice take on new Yankees outfielder Justin Maxwell. Donnie wrote: He is a guy that you see, and you remember. He has hit 19 homers in 177 games the last two seasons with Syracuse, and when he connects, the ball flies. And when the ball is hit toward him, he flies. He is as good a defensive outfielder as there was in the International League.

• To make room on the 40-man for Johnny Damon and Manny Ramirez, the Rays designated outfielders Justin Ruggiano and Leslie Anderson for assignment. Ruggiano’s opportunity had kind of come and gone in Tampa, but Anderson showed some promise as an older-than-usual prospect last year.

• Not sure this should be considered “cool” but I think it’s pretty awesome: Baseball Prospectus figured out which game Ferris Bueller attended during his day off.

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141 Responses to “The view from the minor league complex, plus some links”

  1. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    The Red Sox reportedly consider Alfredo Aceves a starter
    _________________
    ROFLMAO….Guess they want someone to keep Beckett company on the DL.

  2. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Kevin Jordan–one that got away. I was really hoping Yankees could sign him…son of former football and baseball star (Brian Jordan), and an excellent athlete.

  3. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Correction…I had read in a scouting report that Brian Jordan was father…but it was wrong…Keith Jordan is dad

  4. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    • Not sure this should be considered “cool” but I think it’s pretty awesome: Baseball Prospectus figured out which game Ferris Bueller attended during his day off.
    _

    Best. Movie. Ever. (well, not really, but still good)

  5. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Interesting that this site and others had the wrong data

    http://bronxbaseballdaily.com/?p=6252

  6. CT23 February 8th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    sign anderson to replace miranda?

  7. Joe from Long Island February 8th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    Nice going, Tyanksfan36.

  8. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Hey Chad–Either the article you linked to is wrong about father’s name, or the reports out last year about Kevin Jordan being the son of Brian Jordan are wrong. Do you know which is correct?

  9. Nick in SF February 8th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    This new Marte is from the Dominican Prospect League?

    They’d better not bring him up until Snuggie Night.

  10. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    i’m not sure if any other issue shows how removed you two are from the real game of baseball when you try to challenge the reality that hitting in cold weather is more difficult for most players.

    -

    No where did I ever say this. Nice try!

  11. SJ44 February 8th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    Kevin Jordan is not Brian Jordan’s son.

  12. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    LGY,

    Cano was also in his fifth year in the majors and ninth overall year as a pro.

    The two situations aren’t remotely comparable.

    ———————–

    SJ,

    That wasn’t a serious post.

  13. tyanksfan36 February 8th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    I knew taking my camera today would pay off. Oddly enough, the gate leading to that field was open and there were tons of cars on that parking lot by the back field yet all the autograph hounds were out front where there was nothing going on. I’m thinking of going back up tomorrow.

  14. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    Another thing to keep in mind re: Montero is the difference in the stadium lights between a major league and minor league stadium. At this point we’re better off bringing Montero up sometime in 2020, during the fourth of july 4th weekd in which the Yankees play 5 day games in a row, and immediately demoting him back to the minors once night games start back up.

    Wouldn’t want him to sting his hands, face tougher competition, have to squint, or any of the other troubles associated with being a major league player.

  15. Nick in SF February 8th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    Just to be safe, they’ll probably have this guy be Montero’s personal trainer:

    http://www.famugulfcoast.org/p.....miser2.png

  16. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Cold weather baseball is such a radically different game, what with the roving abominable snowmen patrolling the outfield eating our players, to the icicles lining the base paths, that it would be in major league baseballs best interests to scrap it entirely.

    Hopefully the players can push back in the next CBA to reduce the season to 16 tightly contested games played within the sweltering June 16 to july 21st dry season. Playoffs will be held tentatively for the following week, but if temperatures drop too low they’ll have to be canceled (of course).

  17. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    Sergio Mitre? CM projection has him off the ML landscape by 2012. This Pecota stuff seems highly suspect…

  18. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Sj–

    Thanks for clearing that up…Several sites reported he was back when he was drafted…that is why I recalled it as so, then in reading the article, I saw the disconnect.

    Heck of a talented kid though…I hope he makes it back

  19. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Cashmoney, did you read the article?

    If you look at the numbers, it says he is the best of the bunch, but best is like being the best of the worst. Look at the numbers:

    Pitcher AGE HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 GB% ERA WARP/100
    Sergio Mitre 30 1.2 2.6 5.3 49.9% 4.67 1.1
    Hector Noesi 24 1.3 2.8 6.7 40.5% 4.75 1.2
    Freddy Garcia 35 1.4 2.7 5.6 43.8% 4.81 1.2
    Dellin Betances 23 1.2 5.3 8.3 42.7% 4.83 1.6
    David Phelps 24 1.2 3.3 5.5 46.9% 5.02 1.0
    Manuel Banuelos 20 1.2 4.9 7.2 44.4% 5.04 0.9
    Ivan Nova 24 1.1 4.0 5.0 49.9% 5.23 0.7
    Andrew Brackman 25 1.3 5.2 6.2 48.5% 5.89 0.0

    This is all rather terrible, HR/9 over 1 for every prospect. ERA’s over 4.67 for everyone?

  20. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    If you consider that Mitre had a 3 ERA last year, you can see why he might be projected the best of the bunch.

  21. yankeefeminista February 8th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Ha! speaking of cold weather, if Montero’s with SWB; he will be opening the season in Lehigh Valley. Two years ago there in April it was so cold and windy there that we were in winter coats with face masks and Hughes, the starter, couldn’t throw any of his breaking pitches b/c he couldn’t feel his hands. Luckily for Jesus, he has divine providence on his side. :)

    As for Aceves, he was a pretty good SP once upon a time.

  22. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    Everyone knows its colder in the majors.

  23. yankeefeminista February 8th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Or: divine provenance…

    Nice pic, tyf36. Keep up the sleuthing. ;)

  24. Nick in SF February 8th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Maybe Ace wanted to be a Redsock because he figured out that he didn’t really have a 20% chance to make the rotation last season. :(

  25. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    No Jerk, I just read the link. Out of that list, taking in the realistic possibility of Garcia, Nova and sergio actually being on the opening day roster I would take Garcia and Nova as 4th and 5th option. Whilst Sergio had nice era in the 3 i believe his other peripherals are in the upper 4 ranges such as his FIP and xfip. His BABIP also was out of wack with his career BABIP at exceedingly low of 220 range.

    But more importantly, watching him pitch last couple years, I don’t think Mitre has the durability or stuff to be decent starter. I think of him as a more or less a garbage time long reliever. As for Nova and Garcia, one has had a track record being a good to mediocre starter. Nova, has better ‘stuff’ and upside than Mitre. that’s my rational.

    btw, out of curiosity Jerk, what’s Mitre career era as a starter for the Yanks. You can prolly pull that up quicker than I am.

  26. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    Its probably terrible.

  27. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    I just thought it was silly to say because of this that Pecota is highly suspect. There are way better reasons to consider PECOTA suspect than saying Mitre is going to be a bad pitcher next season.

    The article didn’t list his playing time either, which might be really low. Not the best article by Jay Jaffe.

  28. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Nick in SF February 8th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Maybe Ace wanted to be a Redsock because he figured out that he didn’t really have a 20% chance to make the rotation last season.
    +++++++++++++++
    Or maybe they told him that Red Sox are warmer in the cold weather.

  29. jacksquat February 8th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Without getting snark, I don’t really agree with the weather argument either.

    However, I can’t really argue with keeping Montero in the minors for 1-2 months to keep him under control and inexpensive as long as possible. That’s a significant advantage to the team. If he is destroying AAA again through May then bring him up and give him 30-40% of the starts at C and maybe DH a little.

  30. jacksquat February 8th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    I would take those Pecota projections for the minor leaguers with a large grain of salt. Projecting next/single season performance for minor leaguers in the majors is a very inexact science at best.

  31. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Jack–

    I think Montero starts in SWB mainly to see what Martin has to offer while Jesus gets a little more prep time…but adding the comments about under control is icing on the cake.

  32. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    “I can’t really argue with keeping Montero in the minors for 1-2 months to keep him under control and inexpensive as long as possible. ”

    When have the NYY ever prioritized saving money over wins?

  33. BoJo February 8th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Rich–

    I don’t think the issue is saving money as much as getting him as much development time at C as possible.

    Truthfully, I’d be happy if they just put him at DH to start season, and let him to that the next 15 years if he is the bat everyone says he is.

  34. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Truthfully, I’d be happy if they just put him at DH to start season, and let him to that the next 15 years if he is the bat everyone says he is.
    ————–
    I be fine with for the next 10 yrs. Jesus can hit so they tell me.

  35. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    BoJo

    As I have mentioned, I don’t think it’s a lock that Martin can still be both productive (based on the standards he set earlier in his career) and durable.

    If he offers some indication that he can in ST, fine, start him.

    But if he doesn’t, and Montero looks great, let the demonstrable facts govern the decision.

    I’m not willing to say that he can’t C, and since he will only be 27 when Teix’s contract expires, 1B could also be in his NYY future.

  36. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    The interesting thing about randy saying Martin could pull a Swisher is that Martin is hard to figure.

    Look at his peripheral statistics it does seem he has been unlucky like Swisher.

    In 2008 Swisher’s BABIP was .272. His xBABIP was .302. A 30 point differential.

    In 2009 Martin’s BABIP was .284. His xBABIP was .317. A 33 point differential.

    In 2010 it was .287. His xBABIP was .322. A 35 point differential.

    It would seem from this that Martin should see an uptick in his AVG and OBP. The problem is though Martin has really stopped hitting for power the past 2 years. Also another problem is that this “unlucky” stuff has been going on for 2 seasons now which is a pretty long time. Swisher bounced back right away.

  37. jacksquat February 8th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Rich in NJ February 8th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
    “I can’t really argue with keeping Montero in the minors for 1-2 months to keep him under control and inexpensive as long as possible. ”

    When have the NYY ever prioritized saving money over wins?

    Well, you can’t expect the guy to have a 1.000 OPS in the majors from day one. There’s a good chance he will struggle a little or possibly even a lot at first. Major league pitching is not like minor league pitching. I hope people are not getting unrealistic expectations.

    So there’s certainly no guarantee of more wins from an additional 1-2 months of Montero over Martin in some games. In that case you may as well save yourself possible many millions and an additional year.

  38. jacksquat February 8th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    On the other hand, if Martin reinjures his hip or knee in spring training then by all means…

  39. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    jacksquat

    Irrespective of his OPS at any given time, what if he is the better C, offense/defense, from Day One?

  40. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    np Jerk. first time I ever heard of PECOTA… It’s prolly too blanket of a statement in regard to their system, by suspect, i meant only this particular projection.

  41. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    The biggest problem with Martin is his lack of power the past 2 years.

    He went from 12.4% of his fly balls going for HR in 2007 to 9.4% in 2008 to 5.4% in 2009 and 6.5% in 2010.

    He is just not hitting the ball as deep as he used to.

  42. Yank 97 February 8th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    “Irrespective of his OPS at any given time, what if he is the better C, offense/defense, from Day One?”

    Unfortunately, I think their monetary investment in Martin will give him a longer-than-deserving leash.

  43. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    He also hit way less doubles.

  44. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    Just noticed the Bueller stuff, that’s pretty neat. For some reason, I always link Bueller and Risky Business together… perhaps of the coming of age theme. I wonder BP can figure what number Cruise dialed to get Rebecca de Mornay. that would also be grand.

  45. ZMAN February 8th, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    Yeah, the lack of power with Martin is the legit. concern. The OBP is still there.

    He is a very strange case – especially when he has had 2 subpar years in what is supposed to be his prime. You can actually go back all the way to the 2nd half of 2008 when he only hit 3 HRs and had a .336 SLG%. So the power has been absent for 2.5 years.

  46. tyanksfan36 February 8th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    # yankeefeminista February 8th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Or: divine provenance…

    Nice pic, tyf36. Keep up the sleuthing. ;)

    _____

    Oh I will. I get my sneakiness from my dad. I told my mom that I just pulled into the parking lot(which is just a big field) and went back there and walked up to the fence and took the picture. She was like, you just drove back there? You couldve gotten caught for trespassing. I told her that if they didnt want people going back there then they wouldnt have left the gate open. It was like an invitation to go down the road so I went. Compare that to when we went to Boston like 15 years ago, we were walking down the freedom trail and I had to go to the bathroom, we walked into a few restaurants and none of them would let me use their restroom. My dad decided that was stupid so he walked down an alley where a restaurant back door was open and found one with a bathroom right there and sent me in. seriously, who else does that?

  47. Cashmoney February 8th, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    Martin had 3.8 P/PA and 350ish OBP in 10, neither are shabby for a catcher. I can’t expect any sudden increase of power. But if he can hit 260/700 OPS with some timely hits and grind out some abs whilst playing good D. that’s not too bad.

  48. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    The one little misleading thing about Martin’s OBP is that he got intentionally walked a decent amount because of the NL. That won’t happen over here with the big boys of the AL.

  49. YsGuy February 8th, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    pecota is generally considered the best predictive service, but thats not saying much…

    in 2009, according to wikipedia, pecota’s average error for team wins was over 8. that means in a pennant race between two teams, their prediction could be off by a total of 16 games, basically meaning they are useless.

  50. LGY February 8th, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    14% of Martin’s walks the past 2 years have been intentional.

  51. Jerkface February 8th, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    pecota is generally considered the best predictive service, but thats not saying much

    Their growning moment was nailing the 2006 White Sox as being a disaster. But really I like CAIRO, CHONE, and ZIPS lately.

  52. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    LGY , that might be offset by being in better lineup and getting better pitches to hit.

  53. m February 9th, 2011 at 12:05 am

    So. Just a little irritated. Some woman writer I’ve never heard of wrote an article telling the Knicks not to be like the Yanks. Don’t lose Melo to LA like the Yanks lost Lee.

    She wrote that Nunez, some nobody (hey! He’s our nobody) was the reason the deal fell apart with Seattle. I thought the deal fell apart because that snake liked Smoak better that Montero.

  54. YsGuy February 9th, 2011 at 12:05 am

    i hope martin will have a great year, but the more i hear about his time in l.a., the more worried i get. one of my dodger fan friends told me not to invest myself in him b/c he will always let you down. i’ve read several l.a. writers about him too, and there just seems to be a real bitter dissappointment in martin, he really seems to have let alot of people down who were reallly high on him. i guess it was time for a change of scenery.
    then came martin’s own assessment that other things got in the way of his preparation and hurt his game.

    i hope he comes here ready to become the guy the dodgers fans came to love at first, but looking at his last 2 1/2 years i just dont see too much to be confident about.

  55. pat February 9th, 2011 at 12:13 am

    Craig Calcatera riffed off the kidney story this morning and speculated who in MLB would donate a kidney and some of the responses he got were good

    Craig: Trying pick which MLB managers would donate a kidney to a player. I bet Ozzie would. “What I care? I got two. I do anything for Jon Danks.”

    commnman David Eckstein would donate a kidney, but he can’t. Because he’s ALL HEART!

    commnman Johnny Damon would donate a kidney to a teammate, & the kidney would hold a presser and say it’s finally where it always dreamed of being. (sorry Erica)

  56. m February 9th, 2011 at 12:14 am

    Oh, and more than irritated that Aceves signed with the Red Sox. I understand he needs to feed his family, but the Sawx? WTF!! :P

  57. G. Love February 9th, 2011 at 12:14 am

    m,

    The story is the Mariners asked Cash to take out David Adams and replace him with Nunez or Nova and Cashman balked at adding either of them to the package.

    Some say that was the reason the deal fell apart and others say he was just messing with the Yankees and wanted to take the Texas deal even if they did add Nunez or Nova.

  58. m February 9th, 2011 at 12:16 am

    Girardi would. But not to Jorge. Only Cervelli, Farnsy, and Mitre.

  59. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 12:18 am

    def Mitre.

  60. m February 9th, 2011 at 12:19 am

    G. Love,

    Ok, I sorta remember. But I think the Yankees (and Cliff) thought they had a deal.

    Nova I can see being a deal breaker, but not Nunez. Maybe next time Cash should try to send damaged goods. :?

  61. m February 9th, 2011 at 12:20 am

    Try not to send damaged goods! It gave them an out.

    Who wouldn’t give a kidney to Mitre?

  62. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 12:21 am

    Try not to send damaged goods! It gave them an out.

    It was the player Seattle asked for. Thats the stupid thing.

  63. m February 9th, 2011 at 12:29 am

    Yes, ‘stupid’ is the right word.

  64. Rich in NJ February 9th, 2011 at 12:32 am

    Torre should have donated both kidneys to Mo.

  65. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 12:34 am

    Rich, his bigelow tea might not go down as smoothly in that case.

  66. pat February 9th, 2011 at 12:36 am

    Scott Boras would consider donating a kidney after fielding several offers, then tell Sports Illustrated?s Jon Heyman that he?s got a great offer from a mystery patient that he?s considering.

    Former Yankees and Nats 1B Nick Johnson would donate a kidney, but sadly that’s basically all that’s holding his body together at this point.

    http://www.platoonadvantage.co.....dneys.html

  67. m February 9th, 2011 at 12:37 am

    I’m pretty sure Jeter got Torre’s kidneys already.

  68. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 12:37 am

    I was a big Aceves fan and letting him go, to the Red Sox of all teams, is the latest in a long line of bonehead moves by Cashman.

    The guy has been a stud for us, is only 29 years old and was an astounding 14-1 with a 3.21 ERA in 59 appearances the last three years.

    So what’s the big deal, he had some back issues and a bicycle accident, the Yankees couldn’t risk a measly $850K given the abysmal shape the rotation is in? What risk would that have been?

    Maybe the most ridiculous thing I heard was a guy on the radio who said, “the Yankee doctors are just better than the Red Sox doctors, they must know some secret medical thing”. Give me a break.

  69. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 12:43 am

    The guy has been a stud for us, is only 29 years old and was an astounding 14-1 with a 3.21 ERA in 59 appearances the last three years.

    The Yankees couldn’t risk a measly $850K given the abysmal shape the rotation is in? What risk would that have been?

    He has only pitched in a full season once, and did it as a reliever. The risk is that he is going on the 40 man, which the Yankees thought he wasn’t worth due to his back, with the idea that he will require surgery. He was a good reliever, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say he is stud.

  70. Rich in NJ February 9th, 2011 at 12:44 am

    “Rich, his bigelow tea might not go down as smoothly in that case.”

    True, however, but for Mo, no one would know if Torre even drank tea.

  71. Rich in NJ February 9th, 2011 at 12:50 am

    Heyman would offer a kidney to Boras.

  72. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 12:54 am

    Heyman would offer a kidney to Boras.

    I believe he is contractually obligated to do it.

  73. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 12:55 am

    14-1 with a 3.21 ERA in the AL East speaks loudly. There are guys on the 40-man that are expendable like Corona and Aceves if healthy could have really helped this club. He can start or at the very least give you a long man out of the pen. Necessity should have dictated we give him a shot.

  74. m February 9th, 2011 at 12:56 am

    I loved Aceves. I sang his praises and thought he should be in the rotation a long time ago. His back had other plans.

    He’s a good guy, but he’s dead to me now, and truth be told, I won’t miss his chronic injuries.

  75. m February 9th, 2011 at 12:59 am

    Boras and The Devil fighting over who gets Heyman’s first kidney.

  76. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 1:03 am

    14-1 with a 3.21 ERA in the AL East speaks loudly. There are guys on the 40-man that are expendable like Corona and Aceves if healthy could have really helped this club. He can start or at the very least give you a long man out of the pen. Necessity should have dictated we give him a shot.

    He has 1 win as a starter in his career, the rest are vultured Relief wins. He was valuable in 09, no denying it. However you said it right there IF HEALTHY. He has chronic back issues.

  77. Nick in SF February 9th, 2011 at 1:09 am

    Cashman must just be inept then!

    Oh that awful GM.

    He just doesn’t have a clue.

    The best course of action now would be to stamp our internet feet until the world takes notice.

  78. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 1:12 am

    The Yankees Doctors are so good that they can figure out why Joba Chamberlain can’t start, but they are too stupid to see that Aceves’ back is not a horrible mess of dislodged discs.

  79. Pat M. February 9th, 2011 at 1:14 am

    Hello m……

  80. jacksquat February 9th, 2011 at 1:17 am

    Rich in NJ February 8th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
    jacksquat

    Irrespective of his OPS at any given time, what if he is the better C, offense/defense, from Day One?

    I don’t think the Yankees will make that severe of a judgement just from spring training. It seems very likely Martin will be the starting catcher out of spring training unless he is injured or just horrendous.

  81. LGY February 9th, 2011 at 1:19 am

    14-1 with a 3.21 ERA in the AL East speaks loudly.

    ****

    Fortunately I am not so reliant on statistics that I can see the reasons for not bringing back AA.

  82. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 1:21 am

    Yes, he has had back issues, but given that he is only 29 years old and given the state of our rotation, $850K (I understand it was a split deal with incentives) seemed to present a very good risk/reward scenario.

    Joba is a completely different situation, he has no physical ailment that is preventing him from pitching or throwing in the nineties. His reality according to the Yankees is a physiological change since the shoulder injury.

  83. m February 9th, 2011 at 1:21 am

    Hey, Pat M. Lotta of noise in Laker Town!

  84. m February 9th, 2011 at 1:24 am

    I can see why they let AA go. They didn’t even shed a tear over Wang. Wang was much more valuable than AA.

  85. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 1:26 am

    Yes, he has had back issues, but given that he is only 29 years old and given the state of our rotation, $850K (I understand it was a split deal with incentives) seemed to present a very good risk/reward scenario.

    Joba is a completely different situation, he has no physical ailment that is preventing him from pitching or throwing in the nineties. His reality according to the Yankees is a physiological change since the shoulder injury.

    This is just a mess. He is 29 and already has chronic back issues. He has major disc problems in his back, those do not just ‘go away’ magically. These aren’t back spasms.
    And last I checked physiology included the physical and biomechanical actions of the human body, which would mean a physical ailment is stopping Joba from being a starting pitcher (unless you meant psychological change?)

    Aceves was out for all of 2010 with a back problem that he did not get surgery for.

  86. Rich in NJ February 9th, 2011 at 1:29 am

    Joba is a completely different situation, he has no physical ailment that is preventing him from pitching or throwing in the nineties. His reality according to the Yankees is a physiological change since the shoulder injury.

    That, by definition, is a physical ailment.

  87. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 1:30 am

    Jim Buss loves Bynum and despite Kupchak thinking otherwise he has lots of say. I thought it might go down earlier, but I don’t think so now.

  88. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 1:33 am

    It doesn’t mean Joba has a specific physical ailment right now, an injury can in some cases cause a permanent weakening of some sort. From what I have heard, I suspect that’s what’s operative in Joba’s case.

  89. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 1:34 am

    It doesn’t really matter, Aceves is gone and is now the enemy. So be it.

  90. m February 9th, 2011 at 1:36 am

    Jim Buss is the only reason why Bynum is still a Laker. That was his (big) baby. Bynum’s a big, tall kid with some sweet moves. I don’t care if he stays or goes.

    I think the Lakers wouldn’t mind having Melo, but not at the expense of Bynum. This will light a fire under the Knicks, whose leverage has suddenly evaporated.

  91. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 1:37 am

    Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 1:26 am

    Aceves was out for all of 2010 with a back problem that he did not get surgery for.

    ***********

    No he wasn’t. He appeared in ten games as a relief pitcher, pitched twelve innings and was 3-0.

  92. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 1:41 am

    m – you’re right. Buss has always loved Bynum. But there are other issues I’m hearing. Don’t try to fix what isn’t broken – team chemistry is good right now – Gasol shouldn’t play center – Kobe and Melo maybe not a good idea.

    I still think Melo goes to the Knicks. I hope so.

  93. Rich in NJ February 9th, 2011 at 1:45 am

    “It doesn’t mean Joba has a specific physical ailment right now, an injury can in some cases cause a permanent weakening of some sort. From what I have heard, I suspect that’s what’s operative in Joba’s case.”

    It does since an ailment is defined “as a physical disorder or illness, especially of a minor or chronic nature.”

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ailment

    That is exactly what you are describing, something chronnic.

    I suspect that you are just making stuff up.

  94. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 1:51 am

    Sorry, I meant MOST of 2010. He last appeared May 8th. So he missed 5 months plus the playoffs.

  95. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 1:51 am

    Rich I have no desire to have a silly debate with you about semantics and the definitions of words. You are obviously just arguing with me about anything to be disruptive.

    Again, there is a difference between a physical ailment that causes pain and discomfort and prevents an athlete from performing at that time — and an old injury that effects an athlete’s physiology so as to change his physical capabilities.

    Call it chronic, call it whatever you want to. Joba and Aceves are two different athletes with different physicality and are not at all comparable.

  96. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 1:53 am

    They are not comparable except in the fact that Yankee doctors apparently don’t think both can start games in 2011.

  97. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 1:53 am

    Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 1:51 am

    Sorry, I meant MOST of 2010. He last appeared May 8th. So he missed 5 months plus the playoffs.

    ************

    I understand what you meant, he hurt his back, missed most of the year and didn’t elect to have surgery.

  98. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 1:56 am

    Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 1:53 am

    They are not comparable except in the fact that Yankee doctors apparently don’t think both can start games in 2011.

    ***************

    Possibly. But we don’t know that the Yankee doctors made that assessment and gave it to Cashman do we? Maybe I missed that news. It may be a judgment by Cashman; maybe Nick Johnson spooked him a bit, maybe it was the 40 man spot, who knows. The Red Sox doctors know what the deal is as does Theo; he passed their scrutiny, at least enough to risk $850k.

    We’ll know the reality soon enough.

  99. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 1:58 am

    But we don’t know that the Yankee doctors made that assessment and gave it to Cashman do we?

    Yup the Yankees just let healthy starters who were scouted, signed, developed, and broke in with the Yankees just sign with the Red Sox for no reason.

    So, the Yankee’s doctors don’t know whats going on, or Cashman, but Theo and the Red Sox doctor’s do?

  100. m February 9th, 2011 at 2:00 am

    I think part of it was impatience with Aceves. It’s been a while since they could count on Ace. His tenure has had it’s share of fits and starts. And they probably didn’t think anyone would give him a major league contract knowing he most likely will be on the DL on Opening Day.

  101. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 2:03 am

    I didn’t say that, not even close. I said Aceves passed the Red Sox physical and they thought $850k was a risk worth taking. I think we should have taken that risk. Cashman didn’t, he’s in charge. Aceves is now with the enemy. It’s not earth shattering.

  102. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 2:04 am

    Nite.

  103. Rich in NJ February 9th, 2011 at 2:05 am

    It’s not semantics, WCYF, it’s a continuation of how you will engage in illogical games to make the case that the Yankees co everything wrong and the RS do everything right. Rinse. Repeat.

    “Again, there is a difference between a physical ailment that causes pain and discomfort and prevents an athlete from performing at that time — and an old injury that effects an athlete’s physiology so as to change his physical capabilities.”

    And you have no idea whether or not Job has more of less pain than Aceves or anyone else. Just keep posting your nonsense.

  104. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 2:11 am

    Rich, I think my position is logical. I like Aceves and thought given our pitching woes he was worth an $850k risk. If he didn’t work out so what. So yes, in this case I think the Red Sox made a good move. That makes me a Yankee fan that wishes we signed Aceves, that’s all.

    And it is you who is posting nonsense if you are saying that Joba is in pain or has any kind of acute ailment. There is no evidence of that at all, you are full of it. Aceves was on the DL for a long time, Joba was not.

  105. Rich in NJ February 9th, 2011 at 2:14 am

    WCYF

    You like everything the RS do, I get it.

    I said I don’t know if Joba pitches with pain. If you do, say hi the next time you speak to him.

  106. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 2:14 am

    I’m out of here.

  107. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 2:15 am

    Go to sleep Rich you are babbling incoherently.

  108. Pat M. February 9th, 2011 at 2:16 am

    Peatco projections are not to be taken seriously

  109. Rich in NJ February 9th, 2011 at 2:18 am

    GN, West Coast Red Sox Fan

  110. tyanksfan36 February 9th, 2011 at 7:10 am

    Good morning Morning People!

    Its a chilly 30 degrees this morning so I’m freezing, hopefully it warms up.
    Also, what a great picture on the blog for this post :)

  111. willwill February 9th, 2011 at 7:12 am

    freezing here in tampa too. nobody will be out on the field anytime in the morning i suspect

  112. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 7:17 am

    Good morning, morning people! :)

    And good morning tyanksfan36. By any definition, that is a really cold morning!!!! Brrr.

    I think it the best picture ever to top a blog post!!!! LOL

  113. upstate kate February 9th, 2011 at 7:18 am

    good morning early birds!
    yikes, 30 degrees is very cold for you thin blooded FL people!
    and congrats tyanks for having your picture posted :)

  114. tyanksfan36 February 9th, 2011 at 7:19 am

    willwill

    Yep, its freezing here in Tampa. But I bet some guys will be out there around 10ish. Unfortunately I’m tied up with work until 130 so I may not make it up there to get another sneak peek.

  115. upstate kate February 9th, 2011 at 7:25 am

    I guess Doreen and I were on the same wavelength!

  116. tyanksfan36 February 9th, 2011 at 7:27 am

    Yeah its pretty cold, I’m hoping it warms up be recess this afternoon because last time it was this cold and we took the kids outside, I was nearly a popsicle by the time we came inside.

    Yeah, I sent that picture to Chad after his post about the minor league complex. I probably wouldn’t have understood his description had I not just been up there 2 hours before. Unfortunately about 30 minutes after I took that picture is when the Major Leaguers took the field. Oh well.
    I might go up on Tuesday after my class for the P+C workout day.

  117. Fran the original February 9th, 2011 at 7:27 am

    Good morning ladies.

    Tyanks, you have a second career as a photographer. Congratulations :)

  118. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 7:40 am

    kate -

    Almost word for word! :lol:

  119. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 8:02 am

    For the record, the Red Sox aren’t “risking” 850k for Aceves.

    They are “risking” 200k, the only guaranteed money in the deal. The rest of the money is in incentives.

    It’s pretty difficult to include this in the “miss” category for Cashman since we have no idea if the guy can pitch effectively at this point.

    I will say disc injuries not repaired by surgery tend to be risky things.

  120. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 8:15 am

    The Sox don’t know about Aceves’ physical condition as much as the Yankees do. A back injury is never minor and Aceves has had ongoing back injuries- he’s not a guy that can be relied on because you never know when he’s going to have to be pulled from a game. It’s hard to criticize the Yankees not re-signing him yet; the Sox did it undoubtedly to tweak them, so they probably won’t care if Aceves proves an unworthy risk. He’s a nice pitcher, a good pitcher, but he’s not Felix Hernandez. The world isn’t going to stop spinning because he’s on the Sox

  121. upstate kate February 9th, 2011 at 8:20 am

    ok I am looking for suggestions for a team name for fantasy baseball.
    Kate’s Krusaders? Kate’s Gators (in honor of my fav Ron Guidry)?
    anyone have an idea?

  122. Fran the original February 9th, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Kate, KatEs Krusaders is cute.

  123. MTU February 9th, 2011 at 8:24 am

    Two items from MLBTR that caught my eye this AM :

    CC has lost some 30 lbs. this year in an effort to reduce the strain
    on his repaired knee. That’s a whole lot of weight.

    The article also said that Russell Martin’s surgically repaired knee is not fully rehabbed as of now but they expect it will be ready in time for the season. His surgery was considered minor from what I recall.

  124. Joe from Long Island February 9th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Good morning – Hope everyone has a good day.

    Newsday finally started having some stories about something of interest – like the catching situation, Martin’s off-season training in MMA, Montero’s drive to work, that sort of thing.

    6 more days.

    Got to run now. Later.

    And, Tyanksfan36 – thanks. Keep at it.

  125. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    I like Kate’s Krusaders!

    Fran, I will probably sign up tomorrow. Didn’t get home until 10 last night and then I was too incompetant to do anything other than watch Glee

  126. Tom in N.J. February 9th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Louisiana Lightning Strike

  127. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 8:35 am

    • To make room on the 40-man for Johnny Damon and Manny Ramirez, the Rays designated outfielders Justin Ruggiano and Leslie Anderson for assignment. Ruggiano’s opportunity had kind of come and gone in Tampa, but Anderson showed some promise as an older-than-usual prospect last year.

    *****************

    By the way-
    I think the Rays should have kept Justin Ruggiano and traded Johnny Damon back to the Yankees

  128. Fran the original February 9th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Erica, that’s fine. Keeping the same team name?

  129. upstate kate February 9th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Tom
    that is good, but way too many letters!

  130. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Fran the original February 9th, 2011 at 8:36 am
    Erica, that’s fine. Keeping the same team name?

    ************

    Yeah, I am pretty sure.
    My Avengers will be a team to be reckoned with!

  131. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 8:42 am

    I like Kate’s Krusaders. I’m having trouble picking one myself. Dors Dream Team wasn’t accepted. They said it was invalid.

  132. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    It doesn’t like any of my Member name ideas-

    I even tried EricatheQueen and it was taken!

  133. YsGuy February 9th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    is anyone doing a lohud fantasy league this year. i took last year off from fantasy but im back in this year. i did the lohud league 2 years ago.

  134. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    Silly question- but now that I am in the league how do I change the Team Name?

    I would like something catchier than Team 2

  135. YsGuy February 9th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    i dont know why when i originally registered it wouldnt allow me the apostrophe or the space between the words. i should re register but really who cares by now…

  136. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Got it!
    Nevermind

    Okay- I am going to work now

  137. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    I chose Dors Diamonds. But I might change it. :)

  138. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    i dont know how to do that arrow thing for the next post but the pinch hitter is up!

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