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Notes and links: Chavez, Vizcaino, K. Long and more

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Feb 09, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

In case you missed it, Sam and I held a video chat this afternoon, and you can go back and watch it in the archives. Otherwise, here are a few notes and links from the day.

• Jerry Crasnick reported the contract details of Eric Chavez’s minor league deal with the Yankees: He’ll make $1.5 million if he makes the big league roster, and he has the chance to earn another $4 million or so based on plate appearances and time on the roster.

• Joel Sherman reports that the Yankees managed to void their minor league contract with reliever Luis Vizcaino after he was injured this winter. Perhaps most interesting is Sherman reporting that the Yankees’ scouts had Vizcaino steadily hitting the mid-90s and thought he was a legitimate candidate to make the roster.

Kevin Long expects most of the Yankees lineup to be better in 2011 than in 2010. “It would be hard for Cano and Swisher to duplicate what they did last year,” Long told ESPNNewYork. “If they stay even close to that, great. But I expect the rest of them to do better.”

Frankie Piliere is high on the Yankees top prospects, ranking Jesus Montero (4), Manny Banuelos (13), Gary Sanchez (34), Dellin Betances (44) and Andrew Brackman (60) among the Top 100 prospects in baseball.

FanGraphs likes the Red Sox signing of Alfredo Aceves as a low-risk move with some upside.

• It almost goes without saying, but Bryan Hoch took a look at Michael Young as a potential trade target for the Yankees and found that it’s not a good fit.

• Good news for former Yankees pitcher Ross Ohlendorf: He won his arbitration hearing.

• Bad news for Ohlendorf: He’s still with the Pirates.

 
 

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272 Responses to “Notes and links: Chavez, Vizcaino, K. Long and more”

  1. Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Baseball is in the air

  2. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Too bad about Vizcaino. Even if he only helped win 4-5 games, he’d have been worth the cost.

  3. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Still would like to see get Ohlendorf back in a deal. He could help a lot, I believe.

  4. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    see ***the Yanks***get Ohlendorf

  5. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
    I def thought shef had one of the quickest bat or wrist among his peers. Strangely enough, the other guys immediately came to my mind was Todd Hundley, i rem he can turn on a fastball like nobody’s biz.

  6. Nat February 9th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    GB, you really don’t have to correct your errors. You get a pass. :)

  7. Rich in NJ February 9th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Frankie Piliere’s opinion carries some weight with me.

  8. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Pirates has got some promising young players on their ML roster and possibly more help on the way. Then again… that’s been the case for the last 20 yrs.

  9. DocTodd February 9th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    Tejada has a quick bat…or did…

  10. Rich in NJ February 9th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    I would trade Cervelli for Ohlendorf.

  11. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    Nat February 9th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
    GB, you really don’t have to correct your errors. You get a pass.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    If I didn’t correct it, most of it would be unreadable.

  12. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    The Pirates don’t need a catcher.

  13. LGY February 9th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Maybe the Pirates submitted such a low figure because they planned on trading him unless they could get him at a steal.

    I wouldn’t mind trading for him because he can be effective in the bullpen as well. Of course it would come down to the cost in prospects

  14. Rich in NJ February 9th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    I don’t need Cervelli.

  15. DocTodd February 9th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    I’m hoping Cervelli is quickly replaced by Montero….I love Cisco’s enthusiasm, but that’s all…

  16. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    dunno how his stuff will translate in AL East, but the, he is better than what we got right now. Mmm..Nova could be better than him eventually or not. but he is better option than Mitre and that lot.

  17. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 9th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Nat says:
    February 9, 2011 at 9:55 pm
    GB, you really don’t have to correct your errors. You get a pass.

    ————

    Plus I think moat everyone here speaks Typo.

  18. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    doc, Cisco can always try to break into telemundo with his good looks and dreamy eyes… I think he has potential … I do mean star potential in entertainment biz.

  19. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    To get Ohlendorf, it’s going to have to include a young pitcher plus. And NYY would most likely have to take their ugliest contract back.

  20. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 9th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    moat? How about “most”?

    See what I mean, GB?

  21. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    SJ, you keep saying that if Phil were on the Sox that people would be fawning all over him. I’m sorry, I don’t think that’s true. Phil is a solid young pitcher, but he’s not a guy you go nuts over to trade for. It doesn’t matter to me what you think of my concerns over him, but I’m telling you that there are real Yankee fans (who are good fans, just like you) around the net and baseball experts also that want to see improvement from him in certain areas before they go gaga. Now if you want to twist my words to make it sound like I think he’s garbage or that anyone with the slightest “concerns” about him are bad fans, then go ahead. I’m still waiting to hear how it is that if someone says he’s a middle of the rotation pitcher it’s bad, when this past ST you said that there is nothing wrong with being that – it still means you’re a good pitcher.

  22. Rich in NJ February 9th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    They have men on Telemundo?

  23. Red Lobster February 9th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    “They have men on Telemundo?”

    Apparently so, but I prefer not to let that ruin my viewing experience.

  24. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    As much as I like DJ Mitchell, he’s probably about 6th on the farm list of pitching. Still, I think that he shocks some people.

  25. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    yeah Rich, I think you mentally blocked them out in lieu of more plump images.

  26. LGY February 9th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Nevermind. He only averaged 5 innings per start. Not giving up prospects for that.

  27. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    That’s not how arbitration works.

    In a way, it gets tougher to trade him now because some teams don’t have 2 million in their budget right now and Ross could end up being a 3 million dollar player next year.

    These kind of pay bumps is what made Melky expendable.

    To facilitate a trade, the Pirates would have been better off settling with him and avoiding arbitration.

  28. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    Hughes is by far more advanced than Buchholz at the same age and experience.

  29. Asd February 9th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    Okay, while catching up on old comments I found this:
    >Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
    Doreen-

    My mother was many things, but a cook was not one of them.

    ========

    …and immediately got a picture in my head of someones mother with holding up crossed fingers on both sides saying “I am not a cook” in full Nixon impersonation.

  30. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    I didn’t even want to start this and I won’t continue this, but I’m not going to let comments directed at me and that are just wrong remain without any response. Anyway, the subject is tired – I hope everyone is having a good evening. A week without snow is a good week, lol

  31. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Betsy,

    Honestly, when it comes to Phil Hughes, you have no idea what you are talking about.

    Why don’t you do this…..

    Go back the last five years and see how many starting pitchers 24 and under, made the all star team.

    Then go back and see how many 24 and under starting pitchers, in their first full season of starting in the majors, won 18 or more games and had a record 10 games or more over .500.

    When you do that research, you will find it’s a very small list.

    You go gaga over Clay Buchholz and the Blue Jays young pitching.

    Yet, neither Buchholz nor any of their young pitchers had as good a season at age 24 as Hughes did.

    Of coursenhe has things to work on.

    That doesn’t diminish how good he is now and what his ceiling is, despite your protests to the contrary.

  32. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 9th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Betsy, I enjoy your opinions, including the ones I don’t agree with.

    Not that you’d ever me tot ell you, but …Speak your mind.

    :-)

  33. LGY February 9th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    SJ,

    Yeah I know that is not how arb typically works.

    I just thought it was strange how low the figure the Pirates submitted was and that they didn’t push more to reach an agreement so think there may be something else going on here.

  34. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    This, if true about Mark Sanchez’ new squeeze, will get really ugly in all of the tabloids.

    http://mstucko.wordpress.com/2.....k-sanchez/

  35. blake February 9th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Banuelos ranked higher than a lot of good pitchers by Piliere and he’s a guy that knows his stuff as well as anyone I’ve read online.

    Go Heels!

  36. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 9th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    Upon reading my own posts, I find that I also speak Early Senility.

    Well … maybe not so Early.

  37. Asd February 9th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    GB7, Deadspin goes pretty into detail about all of it. http://deadspin.com/#!5755011/.....r+old-girl To me it looks like the girl tried to have two things at the same time, but that was impossible. Either you try to get ahead of the story and lose the guy, or you get trashed in the story but stand by the guy. I’m thinking she’s losing the guy.

  38. LGY February 9th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Upon further review, Ross was taken out 2 times in the first inning with less than 10 pitches this year and one time in the 2nd inning so that throws his average innings per start out of whack.

  39. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    as I said, ASD, if it’s true, the writers, especially out of towners, will make this really ugly, really fast.

  40. Rich in NJ February 9th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    I hate the Jets, but I won’t criticize Sanchez about that because it’s legal.

  41. Asd February 9th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    I concur, GB, I definitely concur. Foolish girl, I feel bad for her, but not well played.

  42. UnKnown February 9th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Yeah everyone seems to love Bucholz so much. Now I am suppossed to believe that if Phil pitched for the Sux that everyone wouldn’t be going to Gaga over him. Sorry but I don’t buy it.

  43. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    SJ, I guess there’s really no point in discussing this – not that we’ve ever had a discussion. It’s you usually talking down to me and putting words in my mouth and me responding. As Groundhog Day has already past, there’s no point in repeating ourselves.

    Dionysus, I don’t think anyone should ever hide their opinions, especially on a board like this. Why should we? That’s why these places exist. It’s not just about me – I think everyone should feel comfortable to post what he or she thinks and not worry about the reaction to their comments

  44. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    passed, not past

  45. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    Like I said, go back and do the research and you will realize he’s a lot better pitcher than you believe him to be.

    BTW, what I’m asking you to do is typical of the research that goes into arbitration cases.

    It’s actually helpful becausebyou get an idea of how a player compares with other players with similar experience/service time.

  46. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 9th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Dionysus, I don’t think anyone should ever hide their opinions, especially on a board like this. Why should we? That’s why these places exist. It’s not just about me – I think everyone should feel comfortable to post what he or she thinks and not worry about the reaction to their comments

    ————

    You said it, Betsy.

    Disagreeing by presenting the other side of the “argument” is one thing. But I don’t see the need to call the POSTER into question, short of troll activity.

  47. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Great MLB Hot Stove tonight!

    Mitch Williams did a side by side slow-mo/freeze frame comparison of AJ Burnett with Toronto and with New York in 2010. He showed clearly that the Toronto AJ’s release point was at the top (12 o’clock) with both his fast ball and curve resulting in him throwing downhill very effectively. With New York his release point was off to the side (2 o’clock) resulting in a much flatter, more hittable side to side fastball and curve ball. I’m sure this was very apparent to AJ, Eiland and Girardi last year, hard to say why this didn’t get fixed.

    Then K. Long did a demo at the plate with Billy Ripken on Derek Jeter, showing how he was working with him on striding forward in a straight line rather than toeing in towards the plate. He said this applied to Swisher as well and all the Yankee hitters.

    Good stuff!

  48. UnKnown February 9th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    A-Gon reports to camp today for the Sux, huh. Hopefully the longer he plays without a contract extension the more it will become a story and be a distraction.

  49. m February 9th, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    Hughes was not as good as his record in 2010, but he still took a big step forward as a pitcher. He’s far from a finished product and to say anything about what is career will be is an exercise in futility.

    Bottom line is that Hughes was solid, good even
    Safe to say we don’t make the playoffs without him. He was one if the key players in 2010.

    It’s 2011 and the slate is wiped clean. All you can do is cheer for the kid.

  50. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 9th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    I was pleased to read Hughes’ recent comments, showing that he recognizes a real need to develop and improve upon his repertoire.

    He had a great, great season in his first full year as a starter, exceeding everyone’s expectation. But there’s plenty of room for improvement. Any master of his craft will always recognize as much.

  51. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    SJ, I would do the research if I was inclined, but as you know, I didn’t think Phil should be an All-Star. I know the players voted him in, but those votes were handed in when he was still pitching well. I thought several pitchers belonged ahead of him. As to his record, he really had 17 wins as a starter – and he got historic run support. Granted, I could count several early wins where he had little to no margin of error and the team scored after he was gone, but still, I think Phil’s record is deceiving. Thus, I can’t do the research based on the stats you provided.

    As to Buchholz, I am not gaga over him – I don’t like him at all. I just respect his stuff and variety of pitches. I don’t expect him to pitch to a 2 ERA again, but if he regresses a run, he’s got a mid 3 ERA – still very good. Yes, it took him until age 25 to break out and yes his earlier #s, just like Phil’s, were not very impressive. We’ll see if Phil has a breakout year like Clay did – I have never said he’s not capable of it; what I’ve said is that I am going to wait and see until he shows improvement in several arears. You don’t have to agree with me at all and the fact that I’m a minority of one or two doesn’t bother me in the slightest. What I resent is being told I’m a lousy fan or that I would feel differently if Phil were wearing a Sox uniform. It’s really not that big of a deal – Phil doesn’t care what I think of him, so why should anyone else?

  52. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    M, how are you?

  53. m February 9th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Good! Thanks for asking. How about yourself?

  54. ac1 February 9th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Liriano is on the market now?

  55. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    More than 30% of Hughes’ “historic run support” came after he was already out of the game. That’s a lot of runs that he didn’t have to work with.

  56. Jackson February 9th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Not sure what Hot Stove you watched but Mitch did a horrible job trying to portray AJ’s problems. Agree with the Jeter analysis.

  57. SAS February 9th, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    ac1…

    What was that about Liriano being on the market. Who said so? That would excite me.

  58. tyanksfan36 February 9th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Well I like Phil Hughes, I don’t care if he had an AJ Burnett ERA, he is one good looking guy. Haha

  59. SAS February 9th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    m,

    I wanted to say hi last night, but I was so far behind the blog I never got a chance.

  60. LGY February 9th, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    ac1,

    Linkage?

  61. Tom in N.J. February 9th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Hughes had 19 starts where he gave up 3 or less runs.

    9 of those starts came in his ‘bad’ 2nd half.

    When he took the ball, more often than not, he gave the team a chance to win. That’s all one can ask for from any pitcher, regardless of age.

  62. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    M, I’m fine, thanks! I wish you could send some of that Hawaiian weather over our way. I spoke to an atty in Honolulu last week (I work in a law firm) and the first thing I asked her was whether it was 75 degrees and sunny. I was so envious, lol.

  63. SAS February 9th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    I think Hughes goes into ST as #2 in the rotation.

  64. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    7 of Hughes games he exited with the score with in 1 run or tied.
    8 times ahead or down 2.
    3 times ahead or down 3.
    8 times ahead or down 4+.

    And a lot of these were not lopsided in being ‘ahead’ either.

  65. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    In my opinion Phil Hughes is getting close to being a top of the rotation guy right now. He will only get better as he continues to develop and gain confidence in his change up which he does need in my opinion to get left-hander’s out; especially the second and third time through the lineup.

  66. ac1 February 9th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    trying to get the link out, but it is ‘awaiting moderation’. Was tweeted by RAB and in the star tribune

  67. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    Your favorite team is coming into MSG tomorrow – I expect they’ll walk away with a win :mad:

  68. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Well regardless of everything I said above, Phil is a better pitcher than AJ and he should be the #2. I suppose it really doesn’t matter, but I think it means something and AJ hasn’t earned that slot behind CC

  69. ac1 February 9th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    i bet they can work out a deal with the twins without having to give up any of the star prospects, and no Montero since they have Mauer.

  70. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    among his issues was the fact that he hadn’t had a 100 inning season in 3 years and finished with 185 including post season. That’s a considerable jump.

  71. Tom in N.J. February 9th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    “With six pitchers vying for five spots in the Twins starting rotation, one possible solution is trading Francisco Liriano. Speaking to team officials recently, I’ve been surprised how open they are to this possibility, but the logic makes sense.”

    http://www.startribune.com/spo.....aLDyE7DyaU

  72. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Jackson February 9th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Not sure what Hot Stove you watched but Mitch did a horrible job trying to portray AJ’s problems. Agree with the Jeter analysis.

    ***********

    You didn’t explain why you feel that way. I thought the video freeze frames were excellent and pretty conclusive. You could clearly see the release point of the ball leaving his fingers and the difference in movement. Downward versus sideways.

  73. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    wcyf, i read that hughes is thinking the same thing about his change. he knows he needs to use it more, he said he just got away from it when things were going good and then just didnt have it to turn to when he should have.

    phil is a smart guy, he wont let that happen again this year.

  74. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    regard of everything you said above Betsy, phil might still be a better than AJ base on last year. AJ was basically a replacement lvl pitcher or worse.

  75. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    i’m no pitching coach, but it seemed obvious to me that aj’s problems were mechanical last season. he consistently pulled the FB down and in on LH batters and once that started, he couldn’t get it back. once he couldnt get the FB over, they just sat on his curve and he was dead meat.
    i expect that he will be completly over that when ST starts, and will go back to his usual inconsistency. i just hope he doesnt slip into that bad groove again, or that rothschild will be able to spot it and get him over it when it does come back.

    i dont expect great things from aj, but i think he will be an adequate #3.

  76. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Ys Guy. Yes I agree. That’s one reason why I am such a Hughes fan. He has an exemplary attitude and a willingness to listen, learn and get better. He is always very critical when he doesn’t pitch well. (That stands in stark contrast to Joba; who after getting shelled would often tell Kim Jones on the PGS how well he thought he threw the ball).

    Of course it’s easier to talk about perfecting a change than actually doing it. This is not new. This is what Hughes said one year ago in February of 2010.

    “That’s going to be a big focal point for me this spring, even if it has to take its licks, I’ll throw my changeup as much as I have to, to get it to the point where it’s usable.”

  77. Jackson February 9th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    I don’t have to. It’s my opinion and I feel strongly about it. Any other baseball writer that saw it would agree with my opinion, hence the reason I said it in the first place.

  78. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    Jackson, that’s fine, I was just wondering why you thought that.

    However, to say any baseball writer would agree with your opinion is purely conjecture on your part.

    I think anyone who understand pitching, understands the effect of a release point, the advantage of throwing on a downhill plane (the mound is a pitcher’s friend) and the danger of throwing pitches that are flat and move side to side.

  79. G. Love February 9th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    Groundhog Day it is. I am so tired of the same Hughes debate day after day, night after night, in here. I hope he shows some good secondary stuff this season so the debate ends.

    What I’m more curious about is do the Yankees investigate going after Pujols if he hits free agency?

    I don’t think St. Louis will trade him. I do think he’s going to test the market.

    Tex better have a bounce back season or the Yankees could be asking him to waive his NTC after the season to bring in Pujols as a free agent.

    Do you think the Yankees let Pujols go somewhere else in free agency or do you think they go there?

  80. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    GLove, I don’t see how – I can’t imagine them trading Tex (though honestly? I might consider it seriously)

  81. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    Tex has a NTC? I forgot about that – I doubt he would waive it.

  82. SAS February 9th, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    Right this instant, I am more interested in knowing whether Liriano is really available. If the Yankees get him, the whole season has a different perspective.

  83. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    g love slips into fantasy mode…sure tex will just waive his ntc so pujols can come take his job.

    then we just sign pujols.

    damn! that was easy…

  84. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Wild thing…you make my heart sing…
    You make everything
    Groovy
    I said wild thing…

  85. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    Pujols for Tex, I will reluctantly give them Mitre and perhaps a bag of Dorito chips.

  86. G. Love February 9th, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    Betsy,

    I think if the Yankees signed Pujols and told Tex he wasn’t starting at 1b any longer he would waive it. Most of these guys waive the clauses when they know the front office wants to replace them.

    Tex would also be an attractive trade commodity to a team that didn’t want to pay Pujols kind of money. I’m sure the Yankees would send him where he wanted to go if he waived the clause.

    The real question is do the Yankees let the best player in baseball go if they have the chance to get him.

    It’ll be interesting to me to see if they show restraint there.

    That said, the Cardinal should just pay the man Arod money and be done with it. He should never change uniforms but I have a feeling he’s going to. The deal should have been done by now.

  87. m February 9th, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    Why is Liriano on the market? He doesn’t excite me. We have enough M*A*S*H characters.

    Will Pujols threat be an empty one? He should definitely have pulled an A-rod or Tex and hit free agency. He can even go back to St Louis with an ever bigger contract if he likes it so much!

  88. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    Pujols has not only set a 16 February deadline but says he will not accept a trade this year.

  89. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    GLove, I don’t think the Yankees are anxious to get rid of Tex, so I don’t think there is any way this is happening. I wouldn’t necessarily look to do this either as I like Tex (but no, I don’t think he’s great and his months long slumps are annoying). Pujols is out of luck in that both the Sox and Yanks already have 1B and the Mets can’t afford him.

  90. tyanksfan36 February 9th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    I’d rather have Tex. And he has that no trade clause so I doubt he is going anywhere.

  91. G. Love February 9th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    Halladay, Schilling, Griffey Jr, Arod, Oswalt and Berkman are just examples off the top of my head of recent players who waived their NTC.

    It happens a lot more than you think.

    Why would Tex stay here if the Yankees wanted to replace him with Pujols? I realize it’s a contractual right, but would you like to be him being the player who blocked Pujols from being a Yankee for the rest of his contract here?

    Not saying it will happen, but if Pujols makes it to free agency I think the Yankees are going to be in.

  92. Vineyard Yankee February 9th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    WCYF:

    How goes it ?

  93. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    If Pujols hits the FA market, the Cubs will be all over that one. That means St. Louis is all over Fielder. The Cubs will get one or the other.

  94. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    GLove, teams might start to wonder why the Yankees were trying to dump Tex. Yes, Albert would be a FA, but still – if the Yankees were truly happy with Tex, there’s no way they’d even bother with Pujols. That’s what other teams would ask themselves: what’s wrong with Tex?

  95. m February 9th, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    A-Gonz won’t be tendered an offer by the Sox until Pujols signs a long term contract, IMO.

  96. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    “I think if the Yankees signed Pujols and told Tex he wasn’t starting at 1b any longer he would waive it.”

    o i see, sign pujols first and then figure out how to get rid of tex….thats even easier!

    then we’ll move on to more important things: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNfGyIW7aHM

  97. G. Love February 9th, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    I don’t think there’s any chance St. Louis would trade Pujols.

    But I do think that St. Louis is playing hardball thinking the Yankees and Red Sox are out of it. There’s a lot of talk that Pujols has nowhere else to go so he should settle.

    I just wish I knew what the Yankee front office really thought of him and would they go to the lengths it would take to put him in pinstripes.

    It’s just fun to speculate.

  98. LGY February 9th, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    Why would any team want to pay Tex top dollar for his decline years without getting the benefit of his prime years, especially when the Yankees would have to trade him?

    Who is going to line up to help the Yankees like that?

    Not to mention, if getting Pujols was conditioned on trading Tex the risk would be too great because the Yanks would not have a guarantee Tex would waive it.

  99. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    All Teixeira has to do is level out his left handed swing. That puts him back at his .300, 35-40,120 RBI numbers, whether he pulls the pitches from the left side or not.

  100. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    GLove, I don’t get into speculation; until you brought it up, I hadn’t given one thought to Pujols.

    M, that’s a good point…………but that would mean the Sox were stupid, trading some prospects for a player that they might never sign. Of course, it’s not like they gave up anything good, lol

  101. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    LGY, Tex should not be in his declining years just yet – if he is, then the Yankees made a pretty terrible signing.

  102. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    Oh wait, nevermind – I got what you mean; good point.

  103. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    Ys, I was just thinking about the average airspeed of an African swallow in correlation with AJ’s fb trajectory, perhaps you can help me in tackling this particular project…

  104. G. Love February 9th, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    Betsy,

    That’s a fair point, but I don’t think you can compare Tex to Pujols. Pujols is on a different level and is an icon of the game. Put him in pinstripes and he’s box office as Arod and Jeter’s stars diminish. Pujols is Lebron. Tex is like Amare.

    I do think teams would trade for Tex who lost out on Pujols or who didn’t want to pay the ante on Prince.

    That said GB is correct. St. Louis still has time and maybe they put the extension together in the next week.

    They also could easily retain him in free agency since it’s his home and if they pony up in the off season they have that advantage.

    He’s definitely one of those guys who should only play in 1 uniform.

  105. tyanksfan36 February 9th, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    I think it would be overkill to get Pujols even as great a player as he is. Why would they replace a great yet expensive 1st baseman with another great and potentially more expensive first baseman? That’s why no one like the Yankees. The fans are never satisfied with what they have. I like Tex and don’t think we need Pujols especially with the rotation issues we have.

  106. m February 9th, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    Pujols would be an unexpected windfall. Even the most secluded Tibetan monks assumed that Pujols would resign. Which he probably will

    Pujols sure is running the show. I expect it’s a win-win for him.

  107. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    ty36. I tend to think Tex as good. but Puhojs is great on a historical lvl, other points aside.

  108. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Tibet is kinda of secluded.

  109. G. Love February 9th, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    If Tex gets his average back up to normal it’s a moot point. It’s probably all a moot point.

    I just wonder if the Steinbrothers can resist a chance at Pujols. They’re a little more fiscally sane than their Father.

    You know George would be all over him.

  110. SAS February 9th, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Pujols is overkill on the Yankees. If we are a hated team now…just watch. We have a wonderful first baseman.

  111. LGY February 9th, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Be careful talking about Tibet. Apparently that Tibet Groupon commercial during the Super Bowl was not received well.

  112. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    GLove, no doubt……..AP is in a different league than anyone. I like Tex, he’s a very good player, but he has pretty significant flaws……….he’s making an awful lot of $$$ and I’m just not sure there would be that many teams that would desire to take on his contract.

  113. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    Of course, they can always ask Pujols would be willing to play a corner outfield spot…preferably, right field.

  114. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 9th, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    GreenBeret7 says:
    February 9, 2011 at 11:40 pm
    Pujols has not only set a 16 February deadline but says he will not accept a trade this year.

    ————

    A boatload of greenbacks have changed men’s minds before.

  115. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Halladay, Schilling, Griffey Jr, Arod, Oswalt and Berkman are just examples off the top of my head of recent players who waived their NTC.

    It happens a lot more than you think.

    Ok quick, now how many of these players were already on the best team in baseball when they waived their NTC ? Players waive the NTC to come to the yankees, not leave it. I think if the Yankees did this, they’d just sign Pujols and then platoon them with the other DHing or sitting in RF or something wacky.

  116. Rich in NJ February 10th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    I don’t get the appeal of Groupon, but their upcoming multi-billion IPO screams that I am dead wrong.

  117. G. Love February 10th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    tyanksfan,

    The only reason I think it’s worth chatting about is Pujols is the unquestioned best player in the game right now and he could potentially be a free agent. That doesn’t happen often.

    The media is spinning that the Yankees (and Red Sox) would not be in on him, but I don’t think either would sit idly by if all he cost was a draft pick and money.

    Tex issue aside, I think the Yankees could convince Pujols to DH or as GB suggested play LF/RF if they met his contract demands and no one else will.

    I just think if he makes it to free agency, the thought that the Yankees and Red Sox wouldn’t go there will be incorrect.

    Even if the Red Sox sign Gonzalez to an extension, they still have the DH spot to replace Ortiz in the future.

  118. austinmac February 10th, 2011 at 12:03 am

    What would you give up for Liriano? I would move anyone not named Montero or Banuelos.

  119. m February 10th, 2011 at 12:04 am

    All of the Groupon commercials were lame/inappropriate. And the name! Too close to groping.

    The windfall comment was more about Boston than the Yankees. In response to Betsy’s comment about the Sawx losing the second coming in the a-gonz trade.

  120. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 12:04 am

    I don’t get the appeal of Groupon, but their upcoming multi-billion IPO screams that I am dead wrong.

    As a company or as a servicee? By merely receiving emails every day I was able to purchase a fishing trip for myself and friends for 50% off that I had just purchased for full price for my dad for christmas.

    Its really good.

  121. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 12:06 am

    i think the yankees are much better off with tex’s remaining 5/$118 than they would be signing albert to a 10/$330 contract. (they are the same age)

  122. G. Love February 10th, 2011 at 12:06 am

    Rich,

    Groupon is the real deal. Friends of mine are addicted to it. I bought a wine groupon where I spent like $25 and got $75 worth of wine at an online wine vendor. Haven’t bought another one yet though.

  123. Cashmoney February 10th, 2011 at 12:07 am

    well Jerk, there goes your one chance to catch that elusive Chilean bass.

  124. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 12:08 am

    Perhaps Warren and Romine. That would depend greatly on whether Morneau can return to health. If he can’t, Mauer moves to first. Mauer has been getting beat up and a position switch has been talked about.

  125. SAS February 10th, 2011 at 12:09 am

    Groupon had awful commercials in the SB, but their offers aren’t bad if you happen to be near the place with the offer and can avail yourself immediately of the product or service. I haven’t used it, but get it for Phoenix.

  126. G. Love February 10th, 2011 at 12:09 am

    Jerkface,

    Didn’t Sheffield waive his no trade clause in the off season to leave the Yankees for Detroit after he was replaced by Abreu?

  127. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 12:09 am

    we use groupons/social living and a few others. we buy one coupon per week for some restaurant in manhattan that we know nothing about, then each week we chose one coupon out of the one’s we’ve bought and just go check it out. its pretty cool and usually 50% off.

    i call it restaurant roulette. we’ve had a couple of clunkers but at 50%, who cares and we’ve found several restaurants we really like and have gone back to.

  128. tyanksfan36 February 10th, 2011 at 12:10 am

    G. Love

    If Pujols agreed to play right field and the Yankees were willing to pay another monster contract then I could agree with that. Tex is a better defender of 1st. I just don’t see why we would want to get rid of Tex when he has been the best 1st baseman in years to wear pinstripes. He wanted to play here and it would be stupid to say, yeah thanks for the 2 years but you’re not as good as this guy. I don’t think he would waive his no trade clause and I don’t think anyone but maybe the RS would take his contract. Sorry for the rambling and all overness of this, its late.

  129. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 12:13 am

    shef was in the last year of his contract and close to the end of his career.
    tex will have 5 yrs/$118M left on his contract and be right in the middle of his prime years.

    and you can run your fantasy through your head as much as you like (it is february) but there is no way in hell the yankees would sign pujols BEFORE getting out of tex’s (or arod’s) contract. and since you cant be sure pujols will sign here, you would be taking a huge risk of losing tex and missing out on pujols.

  130. Rich in NJ February 10th, 2011 at 12:14 am

    Jerkface

    I’m probably not sufficiently familiar with their business model. When Google made their rejected bid of $6b, I read something to the effect that they have time limited offers for discounts off restaurants in a given area based on a sufficient number of people signing up in a specific time interval.

    I then read that their rejection of Google’s offer could turn out to be similar to Yahoo!’s decision to reject Microsoft’s offer, a missed opportunity.

    Since then, I have read that their IPO could be worth $11b, which is why I am already willing to acknowledge that my first impression about them was wrong.

    I should probably read more about them because it may be worth investing in.

  131. Rich in NJ February 10th, 2011 at 12:15 am

    Sheff waived his NTC for a contract extension. Teix isn’t going to get one.

  132. Cashmoney February 10th, 2011 at 12:18 am

    first time I ever heard of Groupon… sounds intriguing. Most of my meals are comped I think of it as my own groupon i guess.

  133. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 12:19 am

    Also Sheff was like 40, Tex is in his prime.

  134. SAS February 10th, 2011 at 12:19 am

    I think Groupon does well for places who need more traffic, and then as Ys Guy says, you either really like it or not. It is just the Phoenix is so big I am not willing to go 45 minutes away for an iffy proposition.

  135. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 12:20 am

    My groupons don’t expire for like 6 months, wicked good deals.

  136. SAS February 10th, 2011 at 12:20 am

    Cashmoney,

    That is better than 50% off or $25.

  137. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 12:21 am

    I got 60% off Lime, which is a bit of a mashup between Chipotle and say a Tijuana Flats. Its from Miami and A-rod used to go to the one near Coral Gables a couple of times a week (general manager is my bestfriends brother in law).

  138. G. Love February 10th, 2011 at 12:21 am

    I’m just saying once Sheff was blocked by Abreu on the roster he waived his NTC.

    It’s not out of the realm of possibility that Tex could do it if he thought the Yankees wanted Pujols as their 1b more than him.

    He’d certainly have takers and could pick his destination by using the leverage of the clause.

    I doubt it will happen, but it’s not as outlandish as some of you make it out to be.

  139. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 10th, 2011 at 12:22 am

    Just a drive-by to say GRRR! I hate it at this point in the off season when my non-baseball life interferes with my baseball life.

    I skim all the lead-ins but don’t have a chance to do any dedicated reading or posting.

    Oh well.

    Eric Chavez? I sure remember when he was in his prime. The guy was incredible. I know he had been injured and missed a good part of a season but hadn’t heard much about him lately. It’s kind of sad to see that happen, formerly excellent players almost being put out to pasture. I think a lot of them are prematurely set aside.

    Anyway, GO YANKEES!

    Be well, all.

    :)

  140. tyanksfan36 February 10th, 2011 at 12:22 am

    Ys Guy says:

    February 10, 2011 at 12:13 am

    tex will have 5 yrs/$118M left on his contract and be right in the middle of his prime years.

    and you can run your fantasy through your head as much as you like (it is february) but there is no way in hell the yankees would sign pujols BEFORE getting out of tex’s (or arod’s) contract. and since you cant be sure pujols will sign here, you would be taking a huge risk of losing tex and missing out on pujols

    I agree, look at the Yankees right now. They’ve got a 200 Mil payroll and no pitching(besides CC who is a big contributor to that high payroll) Tex has a ton of money left on his contract and he is still a great offensive and defensive force. The Arod contract is just a huge money pit. I just don’t see them spending more on Pujols regardless of how great he is. I think the team that led the league in offense when the majority of the players were in a down year have more to worry about then adding offense. Pitching is what we need.

  141. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 12:22 am

    rich, i love the coupons, and ppl i know that use them love them, but this could be like myspace, where they are on top of the world one day and yesterday’s paper the next. i have no loyalty to them, in fact, i never really remember whether we’re going out with a groupon or a social living coupon or a restaurant.com coupon, and i couldnt care. i dont really see how they can prevent anyone else from stealing thier buisness model. its not like they have some exclusivity on either end.
    if the financials look good in the short term, it could be a good buy, but they could just be another flavor of the month.

  142. Asd February 10th, 2011 at 12:23 am

    >GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
    Of course, they can always ask Pujols would be willing to play a corner outfield spot…preferably, right field.

    =======

    Wait? How did Swish get pulled into this discussion? Poor Swish.

  143. Rich in NJ February 10th, 2011 at 12:25 am

    Thanks, Ys Guy

  144. tyanksfan36 February 10th, 2011 at 12:26 am

    Asd

    Swish can DH. That way he can stay in NY. I really hope they decide to keep him, he is one of my favorites and I love that he loves playing for the Yankees.

  145. Cashmoney February 10th, 2011 at 12:26 am

    can’t complaint SAS, but this groupon thingie seem like a good deal. gonna go check for del frisco groupon, I am down for a discount filet mignon. interesting idea though…kinda like time share and other grp share idea i guess.

  146. Asd February 10th, 2011 at 12:28 am

    Young age to be a DH, if he’s gonna continue to be a Yankee, it won’t be from age 29/30 on as DH, more importantly, we lose the Swish Roll Call Salute if he’s a DH.

  147. m February 10th, 2011 at 12:32 am

    I thought Montero is our future DH? :roll:

    Seriously, Alex will slide into the role sooner or later.

  148. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 12:33 am

    Seriously, Alex will slide into the role sooner or later.

    We’ll burn that bridge when we come to it, until then its an A-rod/Tex/Pujols merry go round!

  149. Rich in NJ February 10th, 2011 at 12:34 am

    I think there is a decent chance that Montero will be at 1B when Teix’s contract expires.

    Why do the Yankees need every expensive player available? It’s time to grow more of their own.

  150. Asd February 10th, 2011 at 12:35 am

    I’m pretty sure that bridge will be in charred remains loooong before we get there.

  151. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 12:36 am

    arod is the dh as soon as po retires (which i think cash has tentativly scheduled for this winter)

    anyway when you are talking pujols, arod, and teixeira and $200M-$300M-$350M(?) contracts, swisher doesnt count for squat.

  152. m February 10th, 2011 at 12:38 am

    Who takes over at 3B in that scenario?

  153. Cashmoney February 10th, 2011 at 12:39 am

    Brandon Laird could be a candidate if the Rod is gonna the DH. Hopefully he rakes at AAA this year. I see Arod as DH in two yrs.

  154. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 12:40 am

    arod is the dh as soon as po retires

    -

    A-rod will play at 3B for atleast 4-5 more years.

  155. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 12:40 am

    i dunno, if not who takes over at dh? and how long till arod does become the dh? and who takes over 3b then?

  156. Asd February 10th, 2011 at 12:40 am

    Further proof that the Yankee will always be a strange, maddening confusing mix of driven to get all the best players, and holding on to the sentimental. Somehow, they make it work though.

  157. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 12:41 am

    After next season, A-rod will still be signed for 6 more seasons. He might DH more to take a load off, but he isn’t moving to DH with 6 years left on his deal.

  158. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 12:41 am

    am i the only one who’s noticed that arod’s range is down to about one step in either direction?

  159. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 12:41 am

    if not who takes over at dh?

    Anyone with a bat who doesn’t have a position. Free agent hitter, montero, posada again, etc.

  160. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 12:41 am

    Swisher is a FA after this season unless NYY picks up his $10.25 mil option or $1 mil buyout for 2012. After that, I’m guessing that he asks for a $13-$15 mil a year contract for 4-5 years. He’s not that kind of player.

  161. m February 10th, 2011 at 12:42 am

    Who moves off their primary position first? Alex or Jeter?

  162. Cashmoney February 10th, 2011 at 12:42 am

    Scenario 2. R. Pena is incensed after his demotion to AAA and proceed to destroy AAA pitching and thus earning him the starting position in 12.

  163. SAS February 10th, 2011 at 12:43 am

    Rich,

    I said that a while back. We don’t need Pujols. It would be different if we had a lousy 1st baseman. The Yankees are enough of an All Star team sans pitching which does concern me. Hopefully, the rotation will work itself out. Now that I read that Liriano is not such a good catch because of injuries, the Yankees have to come up with 2 or more starters.

  164. Cashmoney February 10th, 2011 at 12:43 am

    Who moves off their primary position first? Alex or Jeter?
    ——
    Rod IMO.

  165. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 12:44 am

    Jeter will be off the yankees before A-rod moves position.

  166. SAS February 10th, 2011 at 12:45 am

    GB,

    I love Swisher, but not for 13-15 million. He’s good, not great.

  167. m February 10th, 2011 at 12:45 am

    Who moves off their primary position first? Alex or Jeter?
    ——
    Rod IMO.
    _____________
    then there’s your DH.

  168. Asd February 10th, 2011 at 12:46 am

    I can’t imagine him asking for that much. 11M at most.

  169. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 12:46 am

    Right now, NYYs have 3 third basemen in the system that have bats. Brandon Laird, Brad Suttle and Rob Lyerly. None are more than average or below defensive players, though, Laird is the best. Suttle was supposed to be a really good glove coming out of college, but, he’s been below average.

  170. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 12:47 am

    if jorge has a good year, they will bring him back for one more. if not, they will likely go with someone else at dh for 2 yrs max , but only if arod shows much improved range over last season. he was a statue out there last year.

  171. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 12:48 am

    but only if arod shows much improved range over last season. he was a statue out there last year.

    If they didn’t do the same thing for Jeter they won’t do it for A-rod. You don’t need range at third. Its great, as guys like Beltre and Longoria show, but all you need is him to make the plays around him.

  172. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 12:48 am

    Rodriguez, unless he can’t move at all is playing third base for at least 4 years. His range should increase a bit more this year.

  173. Cashmoney February 10th, 2011 at 12:50 am

    GB, I think u forgot Senegdin?the dude whom was drafted LY. College guy with apparently polish bat. but the… there is high probability it won’t any of them. FA route remain likely if and when the Rod go to DH.

  174. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 12:50 am

    he didn’t last year imo.

  175. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 12:51 am

    Asd February 10th, 2011 at 12:46 am
    I can’t imagine him asking for that much. 11M at most.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Another season or 2 like 2010 and he’ll want more than a $1-2 mil a year raise. He’ll love another team without it.

  176. m February 10th, 2011 at 12:51 am

    For alex, health is more of a concern than range.

  177. Cashmoney February 10th, 2011 at 12:52 am

    Ys, I think even if Po have good yr, he will be gone.

  178. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 12:52 am

    another reason to put him at dh.

  179. Asd February 10th, 2011 at 12:53 am

    >GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
    Of course, they can always ask Pujols would be willing to play a corner outfield spot…preferably, right field.

    ================

    I personally feel a player’s desire to stay with a team they love can prevail. Unpopular and naive an opinion, maybe, but I’ll wait to be proven wrong.

  180. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 12:53 am

    if po has a good year, there is no reason not to bring him back. unless they decide montero isnt going to catch.

  181. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 12:54 am

    He only had a -2 UZR, and his other advanced fielding stats say other wise. He isn’t bad enough to necessitate a move off of THIRD. Its not a premium defensive position.

  182. Asd February 10th, 2011 at 12:54 am

    Ha. My last saved copy pasted instead. Weird. That was supposed to be this:

    >Another season or 2 like 2010 and he’ll want more than a $1-2 mil a year raise. He’ll love another team without it.

    ================

    I personally feel a player’s desire to stay with a team they love can prevail. Unpopular and naive an opinion, maybe, but I’ll wait to be proven wrong.

  183. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 12:54 am

    if po has a good year, there is no reason not to bring him backunless they decide montero isnt going to catch.

    Or a better option is available.

  184. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 12:54 am

    Segedin is 4 years away, He may be in Charleston this year, only because they need one.

  185. Cashmoney February 10th, 2011 at 12:57 am

    confluence of things i suppose. Jeter and rod might need more time at DH, Jesus can’t catch. Better and Younger DH on the FA market. Personally, I think that this might be Po’s last yr, of course, I could be wrong and often are.

  186. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 12:57 am

    Segedin is a college player with an advanced approach. He could be up within 4 years, like Brett Gardner.

  187. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 12:57 am

    2012 is Swisher’s last chance at a big, long term contract.

  188. Rich in NJ February 10th, 2011 at 12:58 am

    I don’t see how Jeter can DH unless his OPS goes back over .800.

  189. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 12:59 am

    They really can’t move Jeter off of short stop for the length of his contract. No where else for him to go where his bat plays up.

  190. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 1:00 am

    Just like they aren’t moving A-rod from third until he turns 40.

  191. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 1:00 am

    Segedin has a lot to work on. Defense wasn’t good in his 21 games. I’ll know more about that when I see him in Charleston.

  192. Cashmoney February 10th, 2011 at 1:03 am

    No where else for him to go where his bat plays up.
    ————-
    I can see a scenario where Jeter sharing duty at SS in his third yr. It is a three yr contract with no option right?

  193. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 1:19 am

    I can see a scenario where Jeter sharing duty at SS in his third yr. It is a three yr contract with no option right?

    3 year with a player option. Though the only way he doesn’t activate the player option is if he is awesome and thinks he can get more. Its basically going to turn into an 8 million farewell song to Jeter, since the option remains at a low base salary unless he is really, really good the next few years.

  194. Cashmoney February 10th, 2011 at 1:35 am

    Gotcha. So essentially it’s a three year and 59 mil then.

  195. Pat M. February 10th, 2011 at 2:48 am

    Betsy is going to need to some new material after Phil Hughes wins 20 games……I’m certain she’ll find some flaw though…….Just some background info Betsy, Toronto demanded him for Doc Halladay, as did Philly for Cliff Lee, and of course we know about Santana and the Twins a few years back…..So in closing, you might not view him as being special, but certain GM’s seem to think that he is, special that is……Good night and Good Morning Morning Yankee people……..Santa Ana winds blew thru LA today and their warm winds has left my pool unswimmable due to leaves, orange, lemons……….Pool Service day indeed…..

  196. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 3:38 am

    3 years/$51M (2011-13), plus 2014 player option
    re-signed by NY Yankees as a free agent 12/6/10
    11:$15M, 12:$16M, 13:$17M, 14:$8M player option ($3M buyout)
    $2M annually deferred without interest, payable each 3/15, 2015-17 (present-day AAV about $16M)
    2014 option may increase to $17M based on awards earned in 2011-13: $4M for AL MVP; $2M for 2nd-6th in MVP vote; $1.5M for Silver Slugger; $0.5M each for Gold Glove, ALCS MVP, WS MVP
    if 2014 option is exercised at less than $17M, Jeter may earn same bonuses in 2014, up to $17M

    I believe the bonuses are on a point system not straight dollar amounts.

  197. joeman February 10th, 2011 at 6:16 am

    if Minn is serious about moving Francisco Liriano do the Yankees go knocking and could Montero be part of a package even though Minn has a catcher

  198. Doreen February 10th, 2011 at 6:47 am

    Good morning, morning people.

    I don’t think Montero for Liriano. I think maybe Romine and something else (a couple of something elses)?

    When the day comes that ARod moves to DH, he is going to be great in that position. But I don’t think it’s going to be anytime soon. I think he’ll be at 3rd 2-3 more years minimum, especially if Girardi keeps giving him regular rest. I’m looking forward to seeing him play this season after his re-conditioning this winter.

    Tex worked with K-Long this winter. I would think that shows he is willing to move away from a swing that was faulty last season so that he could have a more consistent year at the plate in 2011. I still expect the slow start, but I don’t expect it to carry over into May like it did last season. And I don’t discount that he was playing hurt a lot last season, as were many of the Yankees, apparently.

    One more week and it’s officially baseball season. This was a loooooooong winter. I’m glad there are a lot of players working out early – finally some real baseball talk, not just hypothetical (though, there’s still a lot of that).

  199. BoJo February 10th, 2011 at 6:56 am

    Good morning all!

    I love Lirirano–has all the attributes I would want for Yankees SP rotation–lefty, power pitcher, young, etc…I wanted the Yankees to get him 2 years ago after his injury, because I felt he would make it back. So it makes sense that I would welcome a deal now, right?

    EXCEPT

    I believe he is going to throw out his arm again due to reliance on slider.

    I’ll pass. I wouldn’t expect the Twins to give him away for second tier prospects, and I don’t think he is worth the risk to give up top tier prospects.

  200. Doreen February 10th, 2011 at 6:56 am

    On Pujols, I could see the Red Sox getting involved, perhaps. And I decided I don’t care if they do. The Yankees faced Manny and Ortiz in tandem for all those years and mostly managed to survive. I think they could survive facing Pujols.

    What about the Phillies?

    I know they have Ryan Howard. What’s his contract look like?

    Or the Cubs, maybe? Houston?

    It won’t be the Mets.

    (I am trying to keep Albert in the NL.)

    But I think the Cardinals would be cutting their nose to spite their face if they don’t work something out with Albert. I can’t really imagine him not being a Cardinal.

  201. Doreen February 10th, 2011 at 6:59 am

    Bojo -

    Other teams may feel as you do, though, that Liriano is a disaster waiting to happen. And while Minnesota may not want to accept second tier prospects, if they want to move him, they may have to accept them.

    Of course, they don’t have to move him, right?

  202. Doreen February 10th, 2011 at 7:01 am

    Also,

    I think Cano can duplicate his last season, BA-wise, if not improve on it.

  203. BoJo February 10th, 2011 at 7:06 am

    As far as acquiring Albert Pujols–

    PASS.

    If this were still the steroids era and I could count on his continued production until he hit 65 years old, it would be one thing.

    But now without PEDs, I expect to see career production patterns that are more consistent with historic norms, and players over 30 DO NOT continue to put up the numbers they did in their 20s (with VERY few exceptions).

    IMO, it is not worth a 10 year $300M gamble to see if Pujols is that rare player who doesn;t age–expecially when we supposedly have the next Albert Pujols already sitting in SWB (named Montero).

    One other things of note…it seems some of the greatest players historically put up big numbers from a very early age. I would rather get Montero’s bat in the lineup as DH ASAP and worry about the C stuff later.

  204. BoJo February 10th, 2011 at 7:08 am

    Hi Doreen–

    Even if the Twins moved him for the Mets type prospects, I would pass. We already had the Carl Pavano experience…at the money Liriano will make, I’d rather put that into Intl FA signings.

  205. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 7:10 am

    If Pujols is the best player in baseball to come along in the last 30 years then he deserves to be paid as such.

    If St. Louis wants to retain his services they’d better find a way to pony up the freight.

    If not they’re gonna lose him and that’s just too bad.

    Albert has been nothing short of amazing. He has earned his pay day.

  206. BoJo February 10th, 2011 at 7:12 am

    Doreen February 10th, 2011 at 7:01 am

    Also,

    I think Cano can duplicate his last season, BA-wise, if not improve on it.
    ++++++++++++
    I think Yogi might say: “I think he can match or better his numbers from last year, unless he doesn’t.”

  207. BoJo February 10th, 2011 at 7:13 am

    MTU February 10th, 2011 at 7:10 am

    If Pujols is the best player in baseball to come along in the last 30 years then he deserves to be paid as such.

    If St. Louis wants to retain his services they’d better find a way to pony up the freight.

    If not they’re gonna lose him and that’s just too bad.

    Albert has been nothing short of amazing. He has earned his pay day.
    ++++++++++++++
    IMO, Let someone else pay him for his past performance. I don’t think he will be able to keep it up for 10 years.

  208. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 7:14 am

    Cano is the least of our concerns.

  209. BoJo February 10th, 2011 at 7:17 am

    With Pujols–he might be worth a 10 year, $300M contract to a team where he can increase the ratings on a team owned TV station, increase attendance, and take themn deeper into the play-offs than they would be without him.

    The Yankees don’t meet that criteria. They already have a team of stars to attract TV ratings, attendance is great, and they already make the play-offs each year.

    It just doesn’t seem like a good business move at all…let alone my expectation of decreased production.

  210. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 7:17 am

    Bojo-

    I’m not saying WE should. We don’t need him. Some big market team who wants a franchise changing player should be eager to step up.

    The guy is a GREAT ballplayer and will stay so for the forseeable future.

    He is everything you want in a ballplayer. The complete package.

  211. BoJo February 10th, 2011 at 7:20 am

    Doreen–

    I expect the Cardinals to sign Albert at the end of the day. Means too much to franchise. But right now they are just negotiating for best price.

  212. BoJo February 10th, 2011 at 7:21 am

    MTU February 10th, 2011 at 7:17 am

    The guy is a GREAT ballplayer and will stay so for the forseeable future.
    +++++++++++++++++
    How far can you forsee into the future? :-)

  213. BoJo February 10th, 2011 at 7:21 am

    To me, forseeable future is 6 months…:-)

  214. Doreen February 10th, 2011 at 7:23 am

    MTU -

    Re: Cano – I was just commenting on the K-Long reference above. :)

    Bojo -

    I can’t think of why the Cardinals wouldn’t sign him. And both parties have the right to try and get their best price. Let’s hope they find that middle ground.

  215. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 7:23 am

    Bojo-

    And if the Cards are tight on dough then they should have thought of that before they signed Holliday to such a huge contract.

    If they thought it might adversely affect their ability to re-sign AP
    then they should have let him pass instead.

    Which one would you want ?

  216. BoJo February 10th, 2011 at 7:24 am

    MTU–

    Bigger question to you–

    Do you think that ballplayers in this post-steroidal era will continue to put up big numbers to their late 30s because training and diet regimes are so much better, OR do you think career production patterns will revert ot pre-steroid era because players age.

    Both sides can be argued…what is your take?

  217. BoJo February 10th, 2011 at 7:26 am

    MTu–

    Personally, my gut instinct tells me that the Cards will find a way to do it. I’m sure they will try to make it 8 years with performance based options, and maybe $25M with incentives that can reach $30M per year…

    Remember, a lot of ARod’s monies are incentives for milestones that supposedly will generate increased revenues.

  218. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 7:27 am

    Bojo-

    There is no doubt in my mind that the backend of the deal is pretty much sunk money.

    FWIS, that still does not preclude signing AP because I could easily see him putting up these same #’s for quite some time.

    If the Cards aren’t willing to consider that the cost of doing buisness then that’s just tough.

    This guy is like a Stan the Man to them, or better.

    You do what it takes IMO.

  219. BoJo February 10th, 2011 at 7:30 am

    MTU–

    I think we might both agree that Albert is only worth that much to the Cards because of what he means to the fan base. Any other rationale team is not going to pay him that contract and be stuck with an albatross or budget anchor.

    Thus, Pujols will have to come down a bit…just part of the negotiating game.

  220. BoJo February 10th, 2011 at 7:31 am

    Have to head out for a while…C U L8R

  221. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 7:31 am

    Bojo-

    AP is an exceptional physical specimen and everything you’d want in a ballplayer.

    Yes. I think he carries most, if not all, of his production going forward for quite some time.

    If he can’t then no one can.

    My 2 cents.

    :)

  222. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 7:32 am

    Bojo-

    I don’t care how the Cards get it done as long as they do.

    IMO they should not lose him.

  223. BoJo February 10th, 2011 at 7:34 am

    MTU February 10th, 2011 at 7:31 am

    Bojo-

    AP is an exceptional physical specimen and everything you’d want in a ballplayer.

    Yes. I think he carries most, if not all, of his production going forward for quite some time.
    +++++++++++++++++
    So was Frank Thomas

    http://www.baseball-reference......fr04.shtml

  224. BoJo February 10th, 2011 at 7:36 am

    Doreen and MTU–

    Agreed..>Hope they get it done. Certain players deserve to play out their career on one team. Albert Pujols, Derek Jeter, Don Mattingly, Carl Pavano, etc.

    :-)

  225. BoJo February 10th, 2011 at 7:36 am

    Leaving this addiction now!

  226. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 7:39 am

    Bojo-

    You asked me for my opinion and I gave it.

    I guess I believe in Pujols. It’s that simple.

    I wouldn’t really compare him with anyone else. He is very special in
    my mind.

    And if you want my opinion, way better than a guy like Thomas.

    Remember. He is also a GG 1st baseman. He can do it all. A true role model. An Icon.

  227. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 7:48 am

    Doreen-

    How are things progressing on the Tiguan ?

  228. blake February 10th, 2011 at 7:57 am

    I think Albert will stay in ST Louis at the end of the day but I don’t blame the Cards for holding their line right now.

    If Im going to pay him 275 then I want to make sure that’s actually what the market is before I do it……with the Sox and Yankees potentially out of the bidding I don’t think he gets that in free agency at his age.

    Now the Yanks or Sox obviously could get involved and drive the price but that’s not known at the moment…..so I would be hesitant to give him that money now as well if Im the Cards……you may could actually get him cheaper as a free agent.

  229. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 7:58 am

    Blake-

    How have you been ?

    I didn’t see you around for a while and I asked after you.

  230. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 8:06 am

    Blake-

    I hope AP does not hit the open market for several reasons.

    Not the least of which is because I do not want the Sux to develop an interest in him.

    Maybe they’d decide to forego Gonzalez and go with Albert instead.

    As good as Gonzalez is I’d rather we’d have to face him than Pujols.

  231. Mell February 10th, 2011 at 8:08 am

    “Not the least of which is because I do not want the Sux to develop an interest in him.”

    Not gonna happen, MTU. Gonzalez will be locked up before tax day.

  232. Bronx Jeers February 10th, 2011 at 8:09 am

    Pujols definitely deserves ARod like $$$. But ARod like years ? He’s on the wrong side of 30.

    Just because one owner makes a mistake it doesn’t mean another owner needs to follow suit.

  233. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 8:09 am

    Mell-

    Good.

    :)

  234. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Jeers-

    If AP is a mistake I’d like to have more of them on the Yankees.

    ;)

  235. Betsy February 10th, 2011 at 8:11 am

    Pat M, you sure take my comments about Phil personally, lol

  236. Betsy February 10th, 2011 at 8:13 am

    Also, who cares if those teams asked for Phil? That has nothing to do with anything……What do they think about him now? In any case, you can keep sniping away – as immature as it is.

  237. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 8:16 am

    I can’t wait for baseball to start.

    Fortunately, I don’t have to wait much longer.

    :)

  238. Doreen February 10th, 2011 at 8:16 am

    MTU -

    Tiguan not yet arrived.

  239. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 8:19 am

    Doreen-

    Any idea when ?

  240. pat February 10th, 2011 at 8:22 am

    “What do they think about him now? ”

    His stock didn’t go down by winning 18 games.

    If the Cardinals pay Pujols $25-$30M a year for 6 or 7 years will everyone say it’s a bad deal because they were bidding against themselves? :wink:

  241. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 8:23 am

    morning everyone!

    “With Pujols–he might be worth a 10 year, $300M contract to a team where he can increase the ratings on a team owned TV station, increase attendance, and take themn deeper into the play-offs than they would be without him.

    The Yankees don’t meet that criteria.
    ////

    neither do the cardinals

    something else to consier. the cardinals were valued by forbes this year to be work $275M. so they would be signing a contract for more than the entire value of the franchise. this is a big test of whether a mid-market team can hold on to the top talent.

    i don’t know if i would sign a guarenteed contract for that much if i were them. but they should have worked that out this off-season and worked out a trade. it looks like they’ve dawdled and are going to end up only getting a pick for hime (plus the salary relief)

  242. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Pat-

    Everyone ?

    I wouldn’t.

    ;)

  243. Doreen February 10th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    MTU -

    Week or two.

    It’s okay.

    If I’d have been able to talk my husband into those last two options, I’d have the car already. I’m a custom-fit girl with an off-the-rack pocketbook. :)

  244. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Doreen-

    Sounds like me.

    Champagne taste and beer pockets.

    :)

  245. Mell February 10th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    “something else to consier. the cardinals were valued by forbes this year to be work $275M.”

    In their most recent reporting on value of sports franchises, Forbes actually has the Cardinals being worth $488M.

    http://www.forbes.com/lists/20.....33240.html

  246. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Doreen-

    Much as I think my Hyundai is a really solid vehicle I would love to upgrade to either a 4-Runner, or FJ cruiser.

    Now to hit Lotto.

    :)

  247. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    pat there is no way he will sign for 6 or 7 years between $25M-$30M. if it is under 10 years, then the aav will have to be above $30M

    i think for a shorter term contract, you’re looking at something like 6/$210M or 7/$245M, something like that. and i think that appeals to the cards more than the 10/$300.

  248. upstate kate February 10th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    good morning all
    computer problems this am, so this is a quick fly by…I will check in later to see what the hot topics are!

  249. blake February 10th, 2011 at 8:37 am

    MTU,

    good how are you…..I’ve had a sick kid so been busy with that.

    I tend to agree with Mell and think AGon will sign with Boston fairly soon. If he did hit free agency then if Im the Yankees I have interest at 6 years or so….maybe at a higher AAV but at his age I wouldn’t go beyond that.

  250. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Blake-

    Sorry to hear that.

    Is he OK now ?

  251. blake February 10th, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Arod was more valuable when he signed his first big contract (the one with Texas) than Pujols os now. The second one is another story but really should be thrown out because its really an extreme outlier to what the current market is like.

    When Arod signed the Tom Hicks deal he was a mid 20′s SS with 40-40 capability……as great as Albert is he’s a first baseman that’s on the wrong side of 30 with injury risks starting to present themselves. If you throw out the contract the Yankees gave Alex and use his first deal as the comp then Pujols should get less than that in both dollars and years IMO……but we all know what players get is just how the market is at the time its going down.

  252. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 8:44 am

    i stand corrected on the cardinals value, i googled it and thought i had gone to the most recent forbes valuatioin but somehow ended up in one from 2006, sorry about that (chief!)

  253. Fran the original February 10th, 2011 at 8:44 am

    Good morning.

    I can’t see Pujols leaving the Cards. He belongs there, like Derek with the Yankees. They’ll get a deal done.

  254. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Fran-

    Exactly how I feel. I hope they get it done.

  255. Mell February 10th, 2011 at 8:47 am

    “If you throw out the contract the Yankees gave Alex and use his first deal as the comp then Pujols should get less than that in both dollars and years IMO”

    Can’t throw out the Yankees deal. That’s going to be the comp.

  256. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    blake, that contract was signed 10 years ago. prices go up.

    that does bring up a very interesting point, though, what if arod didn’t opt out and was playing out the last year of that contract.

    what would you offer arod if he were a f/a after this season?

  257. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    If Alex is a Centaur then Albert is a Minotaur.

    :)

  258. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    First live reports and pics from Chad out of Tampa today.

    :)

  259. Fran the original February 10th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Ys Guy,

    Did you get my email? Think I sent you 2 different invites for fantasy baseball. Let me know which email you want to use so I can give the other slot to someone else. Thanks.

  260. Mell February 10th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    “what would you offer arod if he were a f/a after this season?”

    Interesting question. Kinda doubt the hip will allow him to have one of those monster seasons like 2007 again, but the man does keep himself in pretty damn good shape nonetheless and will produce 30-35 HR’s and 110-125 RBI pretty regularly. I’d say 4 years, covering ages 36-39, at $20M per.

  261. pat February 10th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Players are worth what someone is willing to pay them not necessarily what other players have gotten before them. Worth and value are 2 different things.

    Nobody would have guessed that Werth would end up with the deal he did before he did and other guys have gotten less than many would have guessed.

    If Alex hadn’t opted out, his contract ended in 2010, same as Derek. Having those 2 negotiating deals at the same time might have gotten ugly.

  262. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    o, im sorry that contract was signed 11 years ago and arod would have played out his contract last season and would have been a f/a this offseason…

  263. Erica in NY February 10th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Fran-

    How many teams is the league up to now?

  264. blake February 10th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Mell,

    I know you can’t but it should be is what Im saying and teams could very well do that if they wanted……if no team is willing to go near that number for a 30+ million dollar player then that’s essentially what they are doing.

  265. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    yes fran i did, thank you. i’m having some kind of problem recovering my espn profile and i emailed them about it but havent gotten anything back yet.

    if i dont hear from them this morning, i will just reregister under another s.n.

    thanks again im really looking forward to playing!

  266. blake February 10th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    I didn’t say that well. What I meant was that if teams aren’t willing to go 10/275 again with a 30 + year old player then that’s essentially what they are saying…..they are saying we aren’t using the Arod deal as a comp. Now his agent can all he wants but that’s meaningless if nobody will pay it. My guess is he signs with St. Louis for less years and less money than Alex did with the Yankeess.

  267. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    mell, i think you are in the ballpark with that figure for arod. (4/ $80M-$90M)

    btw, over those same next 4 years he will actually make $113M. inflated, but not way out of line…its the last 3/$60 that will not be worth it, but the yankees arent going to lose any sleep over it. if he really slipss by then, they’ll just eat it and send him off somewhere, but i think the FO might not like hank too much if they have to do that.

  268. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    those $6M bonus bombs that arod will be making are what really makes arod’s contract look bad. the yankees arent going to recover anything for that. just look at the huge ho-hum that went up around bonds breaking aaron’s record. it wont be that bad, but i dont see the yankees making anywhere near $6M out of his milestone homers.

  269. Fran the original February 10th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    Erica, 14 teams. We can go up to 20, but it has to be an even number.

    Ys guy, looking forward to it too. After you register, I’ll delete the 2nd invitation.

  270. Cashmoney February 10th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Money aside, it would be interesting (or scary) to see what Rod has left through age 38-42 of his contract.

  271. longtimefan February 10th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Generally I don’t like reclaimation projects, baseball is a young man’s sport. Chavez may have some gas in the the tank, but that is big “may”. Ross Ohlendorf on the other hand
    has youth on his side as compared to Garcia and Colon, could be a decent 5th starter with the yankees offense behind him.

  272. Ol Hickory February 10th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Why not just offer Tex, Joba, Brackman and take Pujols and offer him 7yrs, $240 mil..???


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