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Pinch hitting: Dan Hanzus

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Our next Pinch Hitter, Dan Hanzus, is a Rockland County native and current “Los Angeleno” who has been writing his Yankees blog, River & Sunset, since 2008. Dan admits that he, “sometimes looks up at the night sky and wonders if Shelley Duncan is gazing at the same star.” My guess is there’s a 50-50 chance.

This is Dan’s third entry to the LoHud Pinch Hitter series. He wrote about Derek Jeter back in 2009 and Donnie Baseball in 2010. This year he tackled the subject of Brian Cashman’s contract year.

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Sometimes I wonder if Brian Cashman woke up one morning and decided he just didn’t care what you thought about him anymore.

In an offseason during which Cliff Lee dissed him, ownership undercut him, and Andy Pettitte Brett Favred him, Cashman has remained unflappable, disconnected even. Some in his position would’ve developed a facial tick from the stress by now. Cashman? He dresses up like an elf and shimmies down a building. He serves pints of Guinness in a Corey Haim wig. He makes half-hearted contract offers to Carl Pavano just to see if the internet can explode from snark.

It reminds me of Office Space, when the restless and disgruntled Peter Gibbons decides the way to escape the monotony of his droll life is to revolt against the system that shackles him. He accomplishes this by barely showing up for work, defying his superiors, and occasionally gutting a trout in his cubicle. In the movie, Peter’s blunt insubordination is rewarded with a promotion by corporate lunkheads who mistake his disobedience for leadership.

Could Cashman be banking on the same result?

If Cashman is restless, perhaps it’s understandable. The 43-year-old has been the general manager of the Yankees for 13 years. That’s a long time to be a manager at The Gap, let alone a chief cabinet member for the most successful sports franchise in America. With The Boss gone and the organization in a controlled state of flux, Cashman — consciously or not — may be testing the limits of how entrenched he really is.

The job he’s done in that time continues to be a lightning rod of debate in Yankee Universe. Supporters say he’s a smart, hard-working executive who has earned the respect of colleagues around the game. Detractors believe he was simply along for the ride during the dynasty run, a poor talent evaluator, and was directly responsible for the team’s title drought last decade.

Wherever you stand, most will agree that no GM works under the same level of expectations. The Boss may be dead, but the Steinbrenner Doctrine — anything short of a championship is considered failure — lives on. Yes, Cashman is armed with the golden checkbook, but he also has the smallest margin of error. Call it a wash.

Cashman is entering the final year of his contract. During his 2005 renegotiation, Cashman demanded, and received, the power to restructure the baseball operations. He said that the dueling factions in New York and Tampa needed to disappear, and they did. For a five-year stretch Cashman was El Hombre, every bit as vital to the Yankees enterprise as A-Rod, Jeter, or Sabathia.

That’s what made the Rafael Soriano signing such an eye-opener. For the first time since he threatened to walk in ’05, Cashman was publicly undermined on a key personnel decision. If Hal Steinbrenner has decided to take a more active role, is there room for both men atop the food chain?

It all makes for great theater as the 2011 season unfolds. By this time next year, we’ll likely know the true alpha dog when it comes to the construction of the Yankees.

(Cut to Hank in his shadowy lair, cigarette dangling, bourbon in hand, black cat on lap: “That’s what you think.”)

Gulp.

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180 Responses to “Pinch hitting: Dan Hanzus”

  1. Erin February 9th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    I think all of the Cashman stuff has been really overblown.

    But I must say-I loved the Office Space reference. :)

  2. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    just like everybody else in the organization, and just like his last contract, you wait until the season is over, then you look back over his body of work, weighing the most recent 3 years most heavily, then you make a decision.

  3. Irreverent Discourse February 9th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    Maybe, just maybe baseball is more difficult than just adding players to a team.

  4. upstate kate February 9th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    I like the Shelley Duncan quote :) Entertaining post.

    Ys Guy- you have changed

  5. joeman February 9th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    have a feeling there’s going to be a lot of CC news as the season moves on this coming year

  6. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    yes kate i did re-register. this time i was allowed the space but still no apostrophe

  7. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    i only have 2 email add’s so now i cant switch to a funny name like ‘chien-ming vase’ like i used to before registration.

  8. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    pretty good post Dan. nothing earth-shattering just a rehash, but well written and pretty throrough.

  9. joeman February 9th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Jesus Montero said that he’s ready for the majors, but Yankees general manager Brian Cashman hinted that he does not want to rush the organization’s highly touted prospect.
    ————————————————————————
    rush….like he did to joba who started only 15 games in the minors

  10. ac1 February 9th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    we needed Joba in 07 and he was great. The mistake was in 08′, not starting him in the minors to build arm strength, thinking they could do it on the fly.

  11. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Y’s Guy-

    FYI its-
    : arrow : but with no spaces

  12. joeman February 9th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    ac1 February 9th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    we needed Joba in 07 and he was great. The mistake was in 08?, not starting him in the minors to build arm strength, thinking they could do it on the fly
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    either way you have to agree he was rushed

  13. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 9:02 am
    I chose Dors Diamonds. But I might change it.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    In honor of Phil Harris And His Orchestra, “Doreen’s Ding Dong Daddies From Dumas”.

  14. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    thanks erica! i’m rarely the one who sees the new posts, b/c i dont get phone updates or tweets or carrier pidgeons or whatever you people use, but sometimes i just happen on a virgin post by luck.

  15. BoJo February 9th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    I think Brian is just subconsciously expressing his desire to pursue his real love–being lead singer for Pearl Jam.

  16. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Y’s Guy- You are welcome :-)

  17. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Completely unrelated note-

    Have I ever mentioned how much I don’t like the Annoying Woman in the Cube Next to Me?

  18. Chuck58 February 9th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    hahaha! Dan, I loved the murky Hankenstein ending! :-)

  19. BoJo February 9th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Chad–

    As a follow up to yesterday’s articles on Joba and his injury.

    Could you ask Joba if he was aware of the organization’s thinking and agreed with it regarding using him in bullpen because his shoulder might not hold up as starter?

    If so, that would explain a lot of why he hasn’t stepped forward and asked for a shot at starting…or why he has not said anything against this at all.

  20. ac1 February 9th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    we needed Joba in 07 and he was great. The mistake was in 08?, not starting him in the minors to build arm strength, thinking they could do it on the fly
    —————————————————————————–
    either way you have to agree he was rushed

    ___

    I do. I believe they saw what he did in 2007 and felt he was ready. Even in 08′, he was good overall. After his injury, THEN they should have sent him back to Scranton to build his arm back up. We all agree the whole thing was screwed up, all the way back to the early year ‘transition’ to starter, and the 3 inning starts.

  21. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    i’ve decided im no longer going to call that chubby middle releiver by his first name anymore, all the hype and expectations attached to him when he came up dont apply anymore, so i’m just calling him chamberlain from now on, till he either gets the set-up or closers job or makes it back to the rotatioin.

    i’m not giving up on him, but i think everybody has to ratchet back thier expectations and just let him go about his buisness and let him develop. i think that may be why cashman kinda labeled him ‘damaged goods’ to lessen the hype and expecation about him and try to dim the limelight that follows him everywhere so he can just work and be what he is going to be rather than always being held up to unrealistic expecations based on his first 19 appearences 3 seasons ago.

  22. ac1 February 9th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    eboland11 From a distance Joba looks, um, heavier. But up close we’ll see if its added muscle.
    ___

    dear god :/

  23. Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    # ac1 February 9th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    we needed Joba in 07 and he was great. The mistake was in 08?, not starting him in the minors to build arm strength, thinking they could do it on the fly.

    ——————————————–

    I’m sure they would take a mulligan if they could but what’s done is done and now he’s a middle reliever. Yay *throws confetti*

  24. BoJo February 9th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Joba might be the first to ever come to camp and proclaim–”Yeah, I’m in the worst shape of my life actually. Who knew Chocolate Peanut Butter Ice cream and beer would add so much weight?”

  25. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Speaking of Joba:

    Brian Costello is tweeting from Tampa that “Joba looks like he’s gained some weight”

    awesome…really glad to see he worked hard this offseason to improve himself.

    What a waste.

    2 years – 2 years before Joba is either traded or non-tendered.

  26. pat February 9th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    eboland11 Joba now throwing in bullpen. One observer: “he’s throwing free and easy.”

  27. hardwired7 February 9th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Would Randy Levine be Lumbergh?

    “Mmm, yeah, I’m going to need you to go ahead and sign Rafael Soriano. If you could just go ahead and take care of that, that’d be terrific, mmmKay?”

  28. BoJo February 9th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    “A waist is a terrible thing to mind”-Terry Foster (Joba’s hero?)

  29. Erin February 9th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    NickSwisher Getting ready to go down to Tampa. Excited to get out on the field!

  30. joeman February 9th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    # Chip February 9th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Speaking of Joba:

    Brian Costello is tweeting from Tampa that “Joba looks like he’s gained some weight”

    awesome…really glad to see he worked hard this offseason to improve himself.

    What a waste.

    2 years – 2 years before Joba is either traded or non-tendered.
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    sure photos will follow

  31. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    GB7 -

    You are too funny!

    I actually did change it to Dors Diamond Dazzlers.

    Pretty tame compared to your suggestion. :)

  32. Erin February 9th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    hardwired7 February 9th, 2011 at 9:55 am
    Would Randy Levine be Lumbergh?

    ?Mmm, yeah, I?m going to need you to go ahead and sign Rafael Soriano. If you could just go ahead and take care of that, that?d be terrific, mmmKay??

    ************************************

    :lol:

  33. ac1 February 9th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Chip, he said it could be muscle, too far away to tell.

    ha

  34. BoJo February 9th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    hardwired7 February 9th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Would Randy Levine be Lumbergh?

    “Mmm, yeah, I’m going to need you to go ahead and sign Rafael Soriano. If you could just go ahead and take care of that, that’d be terrific, mmmKay?”
    =================
    Sounds an awful lot like Mr. Mackey from South Park….hmmmmmk?

  35. BoJo February 9th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Dars Destroyers was taken?

  36. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    another thing about chamberlain, i dont care how much he weighs. get fat, lose weight i dont think it affects a short reliever all that much. you see guys like david wells, cc and others who are just huge individuals (some more muscular than others) pitch great.

    i think chamberlain needs a mental breakthrough more than anything and i’d take him with a clear head and a fat belly any day over him in-shape and still all hung-up about his ‘treatment’, his place in the organization and what the fans are thinking about him.

  37. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Dan -

    I enjoyed reading your post. I don’t agree with your premise, but it was a good post nonetheless. :)

    ****

    With Joba, que sera, sera.

  38. Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    # Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    i’ve decided im no longer going to call that chubby middle releiver by his first name anymore, all the hype and expectations attached to him when he came up dont apply anymore, so i’m just calling him chamberlain from now on, till he either gets the set-up or closers job or makes it back to the rotatioin.

    i’m not giving up on him, but i think everybody has to ratchet back thier expectations and just let him go about his buisness and let him develop. i think that may be why cashman kinda labeled him ‘damaged goods’ to lessen the hype and expecation about him and try to dim the limelight that follows him everywhere so he can just work and be what he is going to be rather than always being held up to unrealistic expecations based on his first 19 appearences 3 seasons ago.

    ——————————————-

    But Cashman also said he can be exceptional in the pen. So which one is it damaged goods or exceptional?

  39. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Bojo -

    I went through all the D’s in the dictionary. Dragons, Destroyers, Daemons, Dervishes. I thought Diamond Dazzlers suited my personality best. :)

    (Of course there were also deadheads, drunkards, despoilers, dingbats, etc., but I somehow didn’t feel they were saying the right thing. :lol: )

  40. Vineyard Yankee February 9th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    I think that many don’t take into account all the hard work that has gone into the farm system over the past several years with the focus being rebuilding the once bare cupboards there. That was a large part of why Cashman asked for control in 2005, to rebuild the farm and develop his guys.

    Now with many prospects close to the ML level it will be interesting to see how many of these prospects pan out and what credit Cashman gets for their success or failure.

  41. Tom in N.J. February 9th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Erica,

    I once spent a summer at an internship next to a woman who complained about me to HR all the time.

    She said the music I listened to was offensive and loud. I wore an earbud in one ear while I worked and had the volume very low. She said it was the music of “fornicators.” And she was offended by me.

    She was constantly trying to convert me to some sort of very conservative branch of some religion. I told her I was uninterested and that if she din’t stop I’d go to HR. She threatened to sue me for discrimination if I did.

  42. Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    # ac1 February 9th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    eboland11 From a distance Joba looks, um, heavier. But up close we’ll see if its added muscle.
    ___

    dear god :/

    —————————-

    SMH Joba lol

  43. BoJo February 9th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Bojo -

    I went through all the D’s in the dictionary. Dragons, Destroyers, Daemons, Dervishes. I thought Diamond Dazzlers suited my personality best.

    (Of course there were also deadheads, drunkards, despoilers, dingbats, etc., but I somehow didn’t feel they were saying the right thing. )
    _________________
    At lesat you did “due diligence.” :-)

  44. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    aao, doesnt have to be either/or. i’d say cash’s assessment is pretty spot-on, chamberlain’s not the same pitcher b/c of unjuries but can still be exceptional.

  45. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    *Rant Alert*

    The Joba debate is officially on.

    No I don’t mean the debate about whether Joba should be a starter or a reliever – that debate is long over. The Joba debate now is whether or not this overhyped middle reliever deserves a spot on the 25 man roster at all.

    In the span of 2 years he has gone from potential mid rotation starter to EIG and potential replacement to Rivera to middle reliever. How has he responded? By coming into camp in worse shape than he did the year before – appearing to at least two observers as if he has gained weight this off season.

    In this man’s opinion Joba strikes me as a guy who believes that the hype that surrounded him when he first came up in 2007 is enough to carry him through his career and has done nothing – not one thing – to try and improve himself over the last 4 years.

    I have said before that I believe within 2 years he will be off the Yankees; either via trade or they will simply non-tender him – adding him to the long long list of once impressive prospects who have completely failed to be significant contributors at the major league level for any sort of extended period of time.

    The question now is whether or not that timeframe gets pushed up. Will the Yankees look at the shape Joba is in now and reach their breaking point with him?

    Furthermore – I never thought I would say this – but thank goodness Randy Levine and Hal Steinbrenner overruled Brian Cashman on Soriano. Cashman was adamant in his belief that Joba would be able to handle the role of setting up Rivera. Probably believing that as a professional, Joba would take his failure in that role last year to heart and work hard this offseason to improve – based on early reports he was sadly mistaken.

    Joba Chamberlain has coasted through on talent his entire life – now that he needs to couple that talent with work ethic he is coming up short. If he’s out pitched this spring I would hate for him to get a spot on the roster because he’s Joba Chamberlain.

    He’s a waste of talent, a waste of a prospect and the issue is no longer whether or not he should be a starter – it’s whether or not he should be a Yankee.

    *Rant Ends*

  46. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    7 -

    You are too funny!

    I actually did change it to Dors Diamond Dazzlers.

    Pretty tame compared to your suggestion.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Well, at least it got consideration.

    Just trying to change the mood after the late night BS from last night.

    Hope all is going well up in Iceville.

  47. Gonezilla February 9th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Cash doesn’t care what you or I think. GMs have to have a thick skin – it’s a terrible job, like Assistant Manager in an office or Chairman of an academic department. You get sh*t rained on you from below and above, and essentially there is no decision you can make that will please everyone. However, it is still an important job in a baseball organization. Cash is no genius, he certainly made his fair share of bad deals, but his only stand out because of the constant attention devoted to the Yanks. A bad signing in KC or Pittsburgh will barely merit a few derisive sentences in a Verducci or Posnaski column, but Cash gets reamed if he overpaid for a cup of coffee. However, under his watch the farm system has flourished and produced big league talent, and there is one WS trophy in the case since he gained greater control of baseball operations in ’05. He also shows an uncanny knack for the deadline trade, which has reaped plenty of rewards over the past few years.

    I for one applaud his work, and encourage him to continue ignoring our sniping and do his job.

  48. 108 stitches February 9th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 9:58 am
    another thing about chamberlain, i dont care how much he weighs. get fat, lose weight i dont think it affects a short reliever all that much. you see guys like david wells, cc and others who are just huge individuals (some more muscular than others) pitch great.

    i think chamberlain needs a mental breakthrough more than anything and i’d take him with a clear head and a fat belly any day over him in-shape and still all hung-up about his ‘treatment’, his place in the organization and what the fans are thinking about him.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The weight issues were not a concern with Boomer Wells and C.C. because they learned early in their careers something Chamberlain still hasn’t learned – – – how to repeat pitching mechanics.
    Let’s see if Larry Rothschild can get through to him what Ron Guidry and Dave Eiland couldn’t.

  49. longtimefan February 9th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    I have never been impressed with Cashman. IMHO, an average GM with a large checkbook, not a true talent evaluator. RE Joba, again IMO, not truely dedicated to becoming the best he could be. Bottom line problem as everyone knows is we may be starting the season with
    maybe 2 legit starters.

  50. Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    # Vineyard Yankee February 9th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    I think that many don’t take into account all the hard work that has gone into the farm system over the past several years with the focus being rebuilding the once bare cupboards there. That was a large part of why Cashman asked for control in 2005, to rebuild the farm and develop his guys.

    Now with many prospects close to the ML level it will be interesting to see how many of these prospects pan out and what credit Cashman gets for their success or failure.

    ——————————————-

    He has definitely improved the farm system over the past few seasons. He took it from a barren wasteland to what it is today. The next step is deciding which ones to keep or trade. And of course giving them a chance to develop.

  51. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    GB7 -

    I had fallen asleep on the sofa and woke up at 2 am. I looked at the blog at that point, and it was the typical stuff. Except that “m” joined in the conversation and I always enjoy when she’s here.

    Things could be better here – some stressful personal stuff going on – but at least the snow has melted somewhat, to the point where I can see the hint of a lawn and some curb out in front of the house. It is cold, though, but after all, it IS winter. :)

    ****

    Vineyard Yankee -

    You know how it will turn out: if they are not successful, Cashman will get all the blame; if they are successful, Cashman will get none of the credit! ;)

  52. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    108 stitches February 9th, 2011 at 10:10 am
    Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 9:58 am
    another thing about chamberlain, i dont care how much he weighs. get fat, lose weight i dont think it affects a short reliever all that much. you see guys like david wells, cc and others who are just huge individuals (some more muscular than others) pitch great.

    i think chamberlain needs a mental breakthrough more than anything and i’d take him with a clear head and a fat belly any day over him in-shape and still all hung-up about his ‘treatment’, his place in the organization and what the fans are thinking about him.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The weight issues were not a concern with Boomer Wells and C.C. because they learned early in their careers something Chamberlain still hasn’t learned – – – how to repeat pitching mechanics.
    Let’s see if Larry Rothschild can get through to him what Ron Guidry and Dave Eiland couldn’t.

    ———————

    If CC Sabathia – one of the best pitchers in the game – spent this winter working out and eating properly to shed 30lbs so that he could be even better going forward; there is no reason for Joba Chamberlain to not follow suit.

  53. hardwired7 February 9th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Joba needs to start throwing his slider for strikes more often.

    Right-handed hitters aren’t biting on it anymore. If he can show batters early that he can put it over the plate, he can get it back to being his putaway pitch.

    It really is an awesome wipeout slider when he’s right.

  54. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Don’t you think you should wait until he throws a pitch to determine if he’s a bust?

    A tweet from a writer shouldn’t set off a rant about anything.

    Joba doesn’t have to look like an Olympic sprinter to be able to pitch effectively.

    His arm has to be healthy and his mechanics repeatable.

    If they are, he could look like Refrigerator Perry for all I care as long as he gets people out.

  55. Vineyard Yankee February 9th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    There is no Joba debate. He obviously is not interested in being the best he can be, doesn’t dedicate himself to his craft and is now in the bullpen. Where he shakes out in that pecking order of the BP behind Mo and Soriano remains to be seen.

  56. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Mets have signed Casey Possum

  57. rodg12 February 9th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Any spots left in the fantasy league? This the same group from last year’s CBS Sportsline H2H league?

  58. Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    # Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    aao, doesnt have to be either/or. i’d say cash’s assessment is pretty spot-on, chamberlain’s not the same pitcher b/c of unjuries but can still be exceptional.

    ————————————————————

    I don’t think he can if the injuries have changed him as a pitcher. Unless Cashman has a different definition for the word exceptional.

  59. Jeters Edge In Blazin Copper February 9th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Amazing guest post. I enjoyed it a lot. I barely ever post but i had to comment on how great, and funny this was. Thanks!

  60. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 10:15 am
    Don’t you think you should wait until he throws a pitch to determine if he’s a bust?

    A tweet from a writer shouldn’t set off a rant about anything.

    Joba doesn’t have to look like an Olympic sprinter to be able to pitch effectively.

    His arm has to be healthy and his mechanics repeatable.

    If they are, he could look like Refrigerator Perry for all I care as long as he gets people out.
    —————————

    I disagree with you on this –

    Yes, obviously Joba’s arm is the most important thing – but after watching his role get significantly reduced from starter to key reliever to middle reliever you want to see a guy respond a certain way. Showing up out of shape is not a step in the right direction.

  61. Fran the original February 9th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Rodg, I can add teams. Are you in?

  62. Vineyard Yankee February 9th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Odds:

    I think he wants to hang on to as many as he can to see what they can do at the higher levels before he looks to trade any of them. Like he wanted to hang on to that draft pick prior to signing Soriano.

    *************

    Doreen:

    Touche !

  63. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Doreen, I haven’t been keeping track of the northeast weather, other than ocassionally. Is this an early thaw for you guys or just a break before getting hammered again.

    I won’t mention the 62 degree weather for today down here.

  64. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Vineyard Yankee February 9th, 2011 at 10:16 am
    There is no Joba debate. He obviously is not interested in being the best he can be, doesn’t dedicate himself to his craft and is now in the bullpen. Where he shakes out in that pecking order of the BP behind Mo and Soriano remains to be seen.

    ——————–

    As I said – he should be forced to compete for a spot on the 25 man roster. I don’t think that will be the case unfortunately – but it should be.

  65. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    i kinda like the chubby chamberlain.

    he’s a short reliever, he throws 15 pitches every other day. who cares what he weighs?

    the socks signed dennys reyes yesterday, he’s as big as chamberlain and has been a decent middle reliever for about 15 years.

    anybody remember david weathers, 19 seasons in mlb 595 relief appearances. he was about the same size as chamberlain.

    im not saying these guys are great, just that they both have lasted years and years as short relievers while being rotund all the way through.

    i dont care what a short reliever weighs, just what he does with the old pelota.

  66. rodg12 February 9th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    # Fran the original February 9th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Rodg, I can add teams. Are you in?
    ————————————————-
    Yeah, I’m in. Do you still have my email?

  67. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    fran, id like to get in. rmemeber i played 2 seasons ago but not last year. finished 2nd i think.

  68. rodg12 February 9th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    # GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Doreen, I haven’t been keeping track of the northeast weather, other than ocassionally. Is this an early thaw for you guys or just a break before getting hammered again.

    I won’t mention the 62 degree weather for today down here.
    ——————————————————————-
    Thanks for not mentioning it, GB. Would have made me feel really bad about the -2 it is here today. How are you doing?

  69. Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Chip February 9th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    *Rant Alert*

    The Joba debate is officially on.

    No I don’t mean the debate about whether Joba should be a starter or a reliever – that debate is long over. The Joba debate now is whether or not this overhyped middle reliever deserves a spot on the 25 man roster at all.

    In the span of 2 years he has gone from potential mid rotation starter to EIG and potential replacement to Rivera to middle reliever. How has he responded? By coming into camp in worse shape than he did the year before – appearing to at least two observers as if he has gained weight this off season.

    In this man’s opinion Joba strikes me as a guy who believes that the hype that surrounded him when he first came up in 2007 is enough to carry him through his career and has done nothing – not one thing – to try and improve himself over the last 4 years.

    I have said before that I believe within 2 years he will be off the Yankees; either via trade or they will simply non-tender him – adding him to the long long list of once impressive prospects who have completely failed to be significant contributors at the major league level for any sort of extended period of time.

    The question now is whether or not that timeframe gets pushed up. Will the Yankees look at the shape Joba is in now and reach their breaking point with him?

    Furthermore – I never thought I would say this – but thank goodness Randy Levine and Hal Steinbrenner overruled Brian Cashman on Soriano. Cashman was adamant in his belief that Joba would be able to handle the role of setting up Rivera. Probably believing that as a professional, Joba would take his failure in that role last year to heart and work hard this offseason to improve – based on early reports he was sadly mistaken.

    Joba Chamberlain has coasted through on talent his entire life – now that he needs to couple that talent with work ethic he is coming up short. If he’s out pitched this spring I would hate for him to get a spot on the roster because he’s Joba Chamberlain.

    He’s a waste of talent, a waste of a prospect and the issue is no longer whether or not he should be a starter – it’s whether or not he should be a Yankee.

    ————————————————-

    At this point I would move him because I think his time has come and gone with the Yankees.

    In terms of Cashman being adamant that Joba could set-up Mo remember Cashman tried to do a sign and trade for Balfour. Now yes he wouldn’t have been the heir to Mo but he would have been the EIG. Anyway you look at it it’s clear that Cashman and the FO don’t have faith in the kid.

  70. pat February 9th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    2 Joba Tweets.

    1 about him looking heavier
    1 about him throwing a bullpen and throwing free and easy.

    People here jump on the about him looking heavier. :sad:

  71. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    AAO -

    I don’t know what you can get for Joba.

    I have no clue what his trade value around the league is. Do teams still think he has the potential to be more than what he is?

  72. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    How do you know he’s not in shape? Based on a Tweet?

    He’s a relief pitcher. He has to be “in shape” to be able to do that job.

    If his arm and mechanics are sound, he will be able to do his job effectively.

  73. Vineyard Yankee February 9th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    ‘Showing up out of shape is not a step in the right direction’.

    =================

    Chip:

    Exactly, he spends his off season having a good time going to Celtics games. You would think at some point he would realize that with some hard work he could have a huge pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. He presently prefers a cold one in hand though

  74. Fran the original February 9th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Rodg, I believe I do. I’l send you an invite.

    ******
    Y’s guy,you can join but I need your email. Ask Chad to forward it to me.

  75. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Morning, Rodg. Hope all is going well in the midwest for you.

    I just figured that it would be improper for me to mention it. -2 degrees, huh? You guys will have some really unhappy cows around there.

    Maybe the weather will thaw for you really slow this year. Those quick thaws do so much damage around the big rivers every year. Gotta feel sorry for those folks.

  76. Bronx Jeers February 9th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Joba’s currently in the lower 1/3 of the Yanks pitching staff and is heading perilously close to “most easily replaced” status. He’s not lefty and he can’t pitch multiples.

    And on he other hand I think that speaks highly of the pen because he’s pretty good. At least he can be.

  77. Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Vineyard Yankee-

    Yea that can be his plan

  78. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    BTW, Joba hasn’t “coasted” through life in any way.

    He’s actually had to do it the hard way.

    Look at his background and his path. There is nothing “coasting” about it.

  79. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Tom in NJ-

    Yeah, that person would be a problem.

    This woman just walked in and spent 10 minutes complaining about the traffic she hit. You know, cause no one else ever gets stuck in traffic.

  80. hardwired7 February 9th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Maybe Joba found the weight CC lost?

  81. Erin February 9th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Will this satisfy anybody????

    eboland11 Joba said he added muscle in the offseason: “I put a gym in my house.”

  82. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    pat February 9th, 2011 at 10:26 am
    2 Joba Tweets.

    1 about him looking heavier
    1 about him throwing a bullpen and throwing free and easy.

    People here jump on the about him looking heavier.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I wish he had said how much heavier Jeter looked….from a distance.

  83. Erin February 9th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    eboland11 Jeter, Cervelli, Colin Curtis and Justin Maxwell taking BP

  84. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    pat February 9th, 2011 at 10:26 am
    2 Joba Tweets.

    1 about him looking heavier
    1 about him throwing a bullpen and throwing free and easy.

    People here jump on the about him looking heavier
    ————————

    Pat -

    In football there’s a saying that every player looks like a star before they put on the pads and start hitting.

    Joba throwing free and easy doing light toss in the bullpen after a winter off is not impressive.

  85. Vineyard Yankee February 9th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    ‘At this point I would move him because I think his time has come and gone with the Yankees’.

    =====================

    Odds:

    For what though, based on the past couple of years I don’t think there is a lot of value there.

  86. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    so some guy tweets from early workouts that chamberlin looks to be heavier and it starts an avalance of ‘joba must go’
    you guys really make it easy on a player to find his way dont you?

    none of you have even seen a picture of him yet, and none of you can state with any certainty about what he did this offseason. n fact nobody can even be sure that he weighs more than last year, just one guy’s casual observation from workouts.

    why dont we wait till he throws his first pitch of ST before we condemn him and send him off to pittsburgh?
    you might even be pleasantly suprised!

  87. Erin February 9th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    eboland11 Joba: “I knew the discussion would happen” regarding him starting when Lee didn’t sign. But knows he’ll be in bullpen, as Cashman has said

  88. joeman February 9th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    # Vineyard Yankee February 9th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    ‘At this point I would move him because I think his time has come and gone with the Yankees’.

    =====================

    Odds:

    For what though, based on the past couple of years I don’t think there is a lot of value there.
    —————————————————————————
    KC …would be a good landing place for him

  89. Vineyard Yankee February 9th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Poor Joba, he is the blog pinata right now. LOL !

  90. Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    # Chip February 9th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    AAO -

    I don’t know what you can get for Joba.

    I have no clue what his trade value around the league is. Do teams still think he has the potential to be more than what he is?

    ————————————————————————–

    Well since he’s still young you have to believe there are teams that think they can turn him around. The thing is though Cashman doesn’t want to just give him away. He’s looking for “fair value” My question is what is fair value for a pitcher who is being labeled as damaged goods. Plus the team itself doesn’t have faith in him.

  91. Tom in N.J. February 9th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    BrianCoz
    .

    ‘Joba just talked to us. Now that I’ve seen him up close he does look better but he’s not huge #yankees”

  92. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    So the guy put a gym in his house and we want to make the leap, based on a Tweet no less, he’s not in shape?

    Even for this blog, that’s gold medal worthy overreaction.

  93. pat February 9th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Chip

    Throwing light toss free and easy is as impressive as looking heavier from a distance is indicting.

    As long as Joba’s arm is clearing his stomach people need get over what number his waistline is and worry about his arm and his head.

  94. Tom in N.J. February 9th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    eboland11
    .

    Joba said he added muscle in the offseason: “I put a gym in my house.”

  95. Vineyard Yankee February 9th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    ‘KC …would be a good landing place for him’

    ===============

    Joe:

    He would be lovin that in the land of BBQ and big steaks.

  96. joeman February 9th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    # Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    so some guy tweets from early workouts that chamberlin looks to be heavier and it starts an avalance of ‘joba must go’
    you guys really make it easy on a player to find his way dont you?

    none of you have even seen a picture of him yet, and none of you can state with any certainty about what he did this offseason. n fact nobody can even be sure that he weighs more than last year, just one guy’s casual observation from workouts.

    why dont we wait till he throws his first pitch of ST before we condemn him and send him off to pittsburgh?
    you might even be pleasantly suprised!
    ————————————————————
    I did see a recent photo of him OL, at a time in NY around the first of Jan, he did look thinner in the face couldn’t see much else

  97. Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    # Erin February 9th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Will this satisfy anybody????

    eboland11 Joba said he added muscle in the offseason: “I put a gym in my house.”

    ——————————————————-

    *Joba fist pumps*

    Now I can stop going crazy lol

  98. Vineyard Yankee February 9th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    The dogs are telling me they need to go for a run. Later.

  99. rodg12 February 9th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    # GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Morning, Rodg. Hope all is going well in the midwest for you.

    I just figured that it would be improper for me to mention it. -2 degrees, huh? You guys will have some really unhappy cows around there.

    Maybe the weather will thaw for you really slow this year. Those quick thaws do so much damage around the big rivers every year. Gotta feel sorry for those folks.
    —————————————————————————————————–
    Things are going well here, thanks. A slow thaw would be a good thing. Less flooding worries that way.

  100. Erin February 9th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Vineyard Yankee February 9th, 2011 at 10:34 am
    Poor Joba, he is the blog pinata right now. LOL !

    *********************
    When he really doesn’t deserve to be.

  101. Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    # Vineyard Yankee February 9th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    ‘At this point I would move him because I think his time has come and gone with the Yankees’.

    =====================

    Odds:

    For what though, based on the past couple of years I don’t think there is a lot of value there.

    ———————————————–

    Well according to Cash he has to get fair value for Chamberlain. Not sure what value he’s looking for when it comes to a middle reliever.

  102. randy l. February 9th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    “You know how it will turn out: if they are not successful, Cashman will get all the blame; if they are successful, Cashman will get none of the credit!”

    doreen-

    i find this an odd thing to say because the blog seems 95% pro cashman to me.

    if there’s more of a teflon coated bulletproof gm than cashman i can’t think of one.

    i think considering cashman’s power is at least slightly in question because of soriano’s signing , soriano’s performance for the yankees this year will have an impact on cashman’s contract status next fall. if soriano is lights out and a really valuable yankee whoever made the soriano call is maybe going to think he should be making more of these decisions.

    so does cashman in his heart root for soriano? or does he hope he sucks for the money and he’s proven right ? is brian a team player or is he out for his own self interest ?

    ok, that’s all i have now for stirring up trouble. :)

  103. rodg12 February 9th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Fran the original February 9th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Rodg, I believe I do. I’l send you an invite.
    ————————————————————-
    Sweet. Thanks for organizing things again this year, Fran.

  104. Erin February 9th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:37 am
    # Erin February 9th, 2011 at 10:30 am
    *Joba fist pumps*

    Now I can stop going crazy lol

    *********************************

    :)

  105. Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Tom in N.J. February 9th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    BrianCoz
    .

    ‘Joba just talked to us. Now that I’ve seen him up close he does look better but he’s not huge #yankees

    —————————————————–

    Thank God lol

  106. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 10:27 am
    How do you know he’s not in shape? Based on a Tweet?

    He’s a relief pitcher. He has to be “in shape” to be able to do that job.

    If his arm and mechanics are sound, he will be able to do his job effectively.

    ———————–

    He wasn’t able to “do his job effectively” last season – what makes you think coming in heavier is going to help him be more effective this year?

    And before someone starts spouting his numbers to me to show “he was effective” just stop. He was so ineffective that the Yankees went out and brought in Kerry Wood to set up Rivera and shoved Joba into the 6th/7th inning.

  107. hardwired7 February 9th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Someone should tell Joba two kegs and a wet bar don’t constitute a “gym”.

    :wink:

    A motivated Joba would make the BP even more of a beast. Those arms w/Girardi managing them…can’t wait.

  108. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    its funny how we come full circle. i was not a big jobamaniac back in 07 and i havent been a huge fan since, but here i am pleading for people to give the guy a chance.

    btw, today IS an early (voluntary) workout and there he is in tampa, working out. and he says he put in a guy and one would assume, used it a few times. so maybe we could just back off him in early workouts and just let him be and see what he looks like in ST.

  109. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    put in a gym, not a guy, sorry. pretty racy stuff there…

    not that there’s anything wrong with putting in a guy and using him…

  110. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Tom in N.J. February 9th, 2011 at 10:35 am
    BrianCoz
    .

    ‘Joba just talked to us. Now that I’ve seen him up close he does look better but he’s not huge #yankees
    *************

    Thank goodness this national crisis is over

  111. joeman February 9th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    last year he looked in shape at ST and the start of the year, he gained weight as the season went on

  112. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 10:35 am
    So the guy put a gym in his house and we want to make the leap, based on a Tweet no less, he’s not in shape?

    Even for this blog, that’s gold medal worthy overreaction.

    —————–

    Maybe you’re right – maybe I’m overreacting.

    I stand behind my statements though:

    1. Joba should have to earn his spot this year

    2. I give it at most two years before Joba’s Yankee career is over.

  113. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    To be fair, Cashman wasn’t against Soriano.

    FOR THE MONEY HE WAS ALLOCATED (caps for emphasis), he was against the signing.

    What gets lost in all of the nonsense is one simple thing that Hal Steinbrenner told Joel Sherman about Cashman.

    “Cashman will always do what’s in the best interests of the Yankees rather than in the best interests of himself”.

    When you have an employee like that, his job doesn’t hang by a thread over one personnel move.

    His job status will have nothing to do with Soriano’s job performance.

  114. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:35 am
    # Chip February 9th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    AAO -

    I don’t know what you can get for Joba.

    I have no clue what his trade value around the league is. Do teams still think he has the potential to be more than what he is?

    ————————————————————————–

    Well since he’s still young you have to believe there are teams that think they can turn him around. The thing is though Cashman doesn’t want to just give him away. He’s looking for “fair value” My question is what is fair value for a pitcher who is being labeled as damaged goods. Plus the team itself doesn’t have faith in him.

    ————————

    I think a reasonable expectation (and I don’t know that Cashman would feel the same way) would be that Joba could be included in a major deal – but he wouldn’t be the centerpiece of any trade.

  115. Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    # Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    put in a gym, not a guy, sorry. pretty racy stuff there…

    not that there’s anything wrong with putting in a guy and using him…

    ————————————–

    Nice save

    You almost started another Joba controversy lol

  116. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    randy, even for you, questioning cashman’s loyalty to the yankees is a new low.

  117. SAS February 9th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    I enjoyed this morning’s guest post. Thank you very much.

    ————————————-

    Doreen, Fran, Erica,

    How does one get involved in Fantasy Leagues. And how would I do it with you all? I don’t even know that I want to undertake this adventure, but I know nothing about it. Does it cost to join. etc.

    —————————————————
    By the way yesterday mornings early post were great. I never caught up enough with the blog to say anything.

  118. Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    @ Chip yea he would be a throw in when it comes to making a big deal.

    Crazy how his status has fallen over the yrs. He’s gone from untouchable to throw in…what a drop.

  119. SAS February 9th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    GB,

    You could help me put a team together, but I go on emotion not WARS, etc.

  120. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:51 am
    @ Chip yea he would be a throw in when it comes to making a big deal.

    Crazy how his status has fallen over the yrs. He’s gone from untouchable to throw in…what a drop.

    —————

    That’s the fuzzy end of the lollipop when it comes to prospects.

  121. Fran the original February 9th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    SAS, it’s free. I’ll email you later.

  122. Patrick February 9th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Joba should be in phenomenal shape, as should all ballplayers. They get paid a ton of money to play a game, during the offseason their only job is to get in shape. If I had nothing to do for months and my physical condition was part of my job I’d be in amazing shape. Just look at A-rod, he gets it.

  123. Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    # Chip February 9th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:51 am
    @ Chip yea he would be a throw in when it comes to making a big deal.

    Crazy how his status has fallen over the yrs. He’s gone from untouchable to throw in…what a drop.

    —————

    That’s the fuzzy end of the lollipop when it comes to prospects.

    ———————————-

    Yea that’s true many burst onto the scene and then disappear a couple of yrs later.

  124. SAS February 9th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Thanks Fran. I will need a lot of help with this. Forget naming a team :smile

  125. Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    @ Pat yea A-rod gets it. Ppl say a lot of things about him but his work ethic can not be questioned.

  126. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    i have to warn you sas, the lohud draft is a very different animal than your normal draft….
    i did it 2 seasons ago and i was so agog at the selections in the first 3 rounds my head was spinning. i think johnny damon was taken as the #9 pick overall . i was so thrown off, i didnt see johan santana and miguel cabrera were still available when i chose in the 2nd and 3rd rounds…

    but it was alot of fun and i did recover from a terrible draft.

  127. Fran the original February 9th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Rodg, you’re welcome. Sent the invite.

  128. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Patrick February 9th, 2011 at 10:53 am
    Joba should be in phenomenal shape, as should all ballplayers. They get paid a ton of money to play a game, during the offseason their only job is to get in shape. If I had nothing to do for months and my physical condition was part of my job I’d be in amazing shape. Just look at A-rod, he gets it.

    ——————

    Again, if CC Sabathia, one of the top pitchers in the game, can realize that it’s in his best interests to lose some weight to improve himself going forward – then what excuse does Chamberlain have?

    As Patrick says – these aren’t the days when ball players had to bag groceries in the winter to supplement their income.

  129. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    i reserve my arod rants and try to keep them down to one or two a year.

    arod going ‘ballistic’ and demanind fox not show him again, just because of the genuinely cute shot of carmen feeding him popcorn, was as stupid as anything i’ve heard from him in years.

    he hires publicists to get his mug on everything, he goes out with mega stars and sits in private boxes in plain view and as the highest paid athelete on the planet, he thinks he has some right of privacy just because he’s connoodling with his squeeze?

    grow up alex, you’re pushing 40!

    ok rant over, im back on board with arod being our guy…

  130. joeman February 9th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    question, could joba ask for a new contract after the 11 season, or if he wants could he just leave

  131. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    randy l -

    I was joking with that comment.

    I don’t know if it’s 95% in total support of Cashman.

    I think Cashman roots for Soriano, because that helps the team. I don’t believe Cashman objected to Soriano, per se, but the money/contract for the role he is filling.

    I don’t think he’s teflon. I think he’s got a tough job. I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt because he’s where he is and I’m sitting in my kitchen.

  132. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    chip, stop yourself. you dont know what chamberlain did over the offseason. he says he built and used a gym and put on muscle. do you have some proof that this is not true?

    can’t you just wait and see how he does in ST before slamming him for being lazy?

  133. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 11:01 am
    chip, stop yourself. you dont know what chamberlain did over the offseason. he says he built and used a gym and put on muscle. do you have some proof that this is not true?

    can’t you just wait and see how he does in ST before slamming him for being lazy?

    ——————

    Fair enough.

    my guess is that there’s as much validity to that statement though as there was to Giambi saying his considerable drop in size wasn’t due to lack of steroids but because he stopped eating cheeseburgers.

  134. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Actually, whomever is writing that Arod is mad at FOX for showing him is incorrect.

    His daughters called him after the shot was shown and he was laughing and joking about it with them.

    I was sitting in the next suite over from him and saw the conversation.

  135. Patrick February 9th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    I am not going to judge Chamberlain without seeing him but even if he looks the same, that’s not good enough. He is overweight, and in my opinion that’s unacceptable

  136. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    fran i sent the email to chad to forward. but in fact i forgot i still have my fantasy email addy from 2 years ago. it’s ham_fighters@yahoo.com. fantasy baseball is the only thing i use that addy for and i forgot i still had it and it still works!

  137. Wave Your Hat February 9th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    “His job status will have nothing to do with Soriano’s job performance.”

    True, but if for some reason the Yanks don’t make the playoffs this year there will have to be a fall guy.

  138. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    YS -

    I do like how you rip A-Rod but defend Joba…that’s just interesting to me. Granted I fully understand the two issues are completely unrelated.

  139. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 11:05 am
    Actually, whomever is writing that Arod is mad at FOX for showing him is incorrect.

    His daughters called him after the shot was shown and he was laughing and joking about it with them.

    I was sitting in the next suite over from him and saw the conversation.

    ————-

    It’s possible he’s a little annoyed by the ribbing he has taken in the days since.

  140. Irreverent Discourse February 9th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Chip skipped breakfast this morning.

  141. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Wave Your Hat February 9th, 2011 at 11:06 am
    “His job status will have nothing to do with Soriano’s job performance.”

    True, but if for some reason the Yanks don’t make the playoffs this year there will have to be a fall guy.

    ———–

    Why? There was no “fall guy” in 08.

  142. Triple Short of a Cycle February 9th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Soriano was a panic move pure and simple made by people with little baseball knowledge. To pay that much money for a setup guy is insane. Especially since he is only worth 1.5 wins extra over the whole season

  143. Bronx Jeers February 9th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    I won’t sleep until I know Joba’s BMI ! :smile:

  144. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Guessing is a very dangerous thing Chip.

    My nephew is friendly with Joba.

    He saw him in January and thought he looked in good shape. I posted that info last month.

    I highly doubt the guy decided to blow off his off-season workouts 5 weeks prior to ST and go on a chicken wing diet.

  145. SAS February 9th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    SJ,

    Did you enjoy the Super Bowl. Being in a suite must have been ‘warm and comfortable’. Although neither team was among my favorites, I thought it was a good game.

    Baseball is next…at least for me. I like March Madness, but I haven’t been following the teams yet this year.

  146. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    I just don’t get why everyone is so quick to jump to Joba’s defense.

    If any other 10th or 11th man on a 12 man pitching staff came in out of shape after a disappointing season would there even be a question about his job being on the line?

  147. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    He didn’t take the fall in 2008.

    It’s unlikely he would take the fall this year.

  148. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Somebody say something funny. I need a laugh.

    I am dealing with my daughter’s roommate’s mother who is making my life right now a living hell!

  149. Wave Your Hat February 9th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    “Why? There was no “fall guy” in 08.”

    Things have changed.

  150. pat February 9th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    YsGuy

    A Fox spokesperson with a name said they are not aware of Alex confronting a cameraman or any one from Fox after the popcorn shot.

    Less news outlets reported that because it’s not as good a story.

  151. joeman February 9th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    # SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Guessing is a very dangerous thing Chip.

    My nephew is friendly with Joba.

    He saw him in January and thought he looked in good shape. I posted that info last month.

    I highly doubt the guy decided to blow off his off-season workouts 5 weeks prior to ST and go on a chicken wing diet.
    —————————————-
    that goes along with a photo I saw of him

  152. rodg12 February 9th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    # Fran the original February 9th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Rodg, you’re welcome. Sent the invite.
    ——————————————–
    Got it and I’m all joined up. :)

  153. Patrick February 9th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Things have changed.

    Yeah, the Yankees won a world series since 2008 which should buy him some wiggle room, no?

  154. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 11:08 am
    Guessing is a very dangerous thing Chip.

    My nephew is friendly with Joba.

    He saw him in January and thought he looked in good shape. I posted that info last month.

    I highly doubt the guy decided to blow off his off-season workouts 5 weeks prior to ST and go on a chicken wing diet.

    ———————

    As I said – maybe I did overreact to the comments by Costello.

    Maybe I should’ve waited to see for myself.

    That said – I’ve not seen anything from Chamberlain over the last several years that give me (as an outside observer) any indication that he’s done one blessed thing to improve himself. Each year he has come into camp heavier than the year before and in each of the last two seasons he has seen his role on the team reduced.

    That’s not the kind of career path that one finds encouraging or leads me to give him the benefit of the doubt.

  155. Wave Your Hat February 9th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    “Yeah, the Yankees won a world series since 2008 which should buy him some wiggle room, no?”

    I suspect not enough, but we’ll see.

  156. Fran the original February 9th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Ys guy, sent you the invite.

  157. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    SAS,

    A’s Super Bowls go, it was the poorest plan SB I’ve been to and I’ve been to the last 10.

    The bad weather had a lot to do with it.

    However, the Metroplex area is so spread out, getting to the various events was a real hassle?

    The stadium? An amazing facility, even though half the seats are so far away from the field, you feel like you are in Houston watching the game.

    Chip,

    Perhaps the reason folks are defending Joba is because there is ZERO proof he’s not in shape.

  158. Chip February 9th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Wave Your Hat February 9th, 2011 at 11:11 am
    “Why? There was no “fall guy” in 08.”

    Things have changed
    ————–

    As Patrick said…the team has since won a WS and made the ALCS…

  159. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 February 9th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    SAS February 9th, 2011 at 10:50 am
    I enjoyed this morning’s guest post. Thank you very much.

    ————————————-

    Doreen, Fran, Erica,

    How does one get involved in Fantasy Leagues. And how would I do it with you all? I don’t even know that I want to undertake this adventure, but I know nothing about it. Does it cost to join. etc.

    _________________________________________________________________________
    I think I want to play too. Are there any more openings available?

  160. pat February 9th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Doreen

    Will a knock knock joke help? That’s all I got on short notice. :sad:

  161. randy l. February 9th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    “FOR THE MONEY HE WAS ALLOCATED (caps for emphasis), he was against the signing.”

    it was and is a lot of money, but given the starting pitching situation it seems like a good investment.

    if soriano performs to the back of his baseball card , it should help the yankees considerably as they go through the ugly duckling period with the rotation.

    i think the biggest move cashman made this year is with martin and being decisive with the catcher position. i didn’t like hearing that martin is still rehabbing the knee though and will test it out ( today?).

  162. Erin February 9th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 11:10 am
    Somebody say something funny. I need a laugh.

    *****************************
    Why did the chicken not cross the road? Because he was chicken.
    -Kermit the Frog

    :)

  163. Patrick February 9th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Wave,

    If the Yankees miss the playoffs in 2011 you think Cashman would be fired?

    It’s possible I guess but I think it would depend on how the team performs and what moves Cash makes.

  164. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    pat -

    Anything!

    The sillier the better.

  165. Patrick February 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    if soriano performs to the back of his baseball card , it should help the yankees considerably as they go through the ugly duckling period with the rotation.

    If he performs to the back of his baseball card there’s a pretty high chance he misses the entire season

  166. joeman February 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    I play in 3 leagues for $ it got me away from betting on games……

  167. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    ERin -

    Thanks, that helps. :)

    One can always count on Sesame Street for some good silly fun.

  168. Wave Your Hat February 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Patrick-

    Cashman’s contract will be up so he won’t have to be fired.

    Personally I like him so I hope he’s back in 2012 regardless. Plus, the Yanks will probably make the playoffs and render the speculation moot.

  169. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    What’s changed?

    They won a WS in 2009, they have a Top Five farm system, and another very good team this year.

    Nobody in the Yankee organization blames Cashman for not signing Lee or Pettitte retiring.

    Nothing has changed enough for him to lose his job in the unlikely event they don’t make the playoffs.

  170. Erin February 9th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    New Post: Video chat reminder

    :arrow:

  171. Irreverent Discourse February 9th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Looks like the RedSox found their catcher of the future.

    In other news, BOSTON IS GIRLIE MEN!

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....gn_ne.html

  172. Wave Your Hat February 9th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    “They won a WS in 2009, they have a Top Five farm system, and another very good team this year.”

    I’d say the original statement was premised on the Yanks not making the post-season, which renders the “very good team” comment not applicable.

    Cashman has had three years in total charge, his contract will be up, and Girardi’s new contract just starting.

    In the dust and ashes of a non-Yankee post-season, things will look very different.

  173. 108 stitches February 9th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    In the case of Chamberlain, it’s been seen too many times when he comes in from the pen, gets 2 quick strikes with good velocity, then starts to nibble with a slider in the dirt with the hitters knowing what’s coming. It becomes the start of a bad inning in many instances.
    He needs to trust his catchers more along with trusting his stuff.

  174. Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Not sure if this was mentioned or not but is it true that Aceves is throwing BP sessions

  175. Patrick February 9th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Cashman’s contract will be up so he won’t have to be fired.

    That’s just semantics. Technically yes he won’t be fired but that’s how the media (and I would agree) will see it.

    Joe Torre wasn’t “fired” because his contract was up, but it wasn’t a clean break was it?

  176. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Doreen, watch a couple minutes of Bob and Doug McKenzie. If you don’t laugh the woman will at least seem sane.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJE3EgTGg9k

  177. Fran the original February 9th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    NYY 626, you’re welcome to join us. Have Chad send me your email addres.

  178. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    chip, i have never been a fan of arod off the field, he is a bit of an ass alot.

    but i ended the comment with ‘he’s our guy’ or something for a reason. i have problems with his contract, i think it will be an albatross for the last 3 years.

    but that’s off the field stuff.

    on the field he is one of the best in mlb and certainly our best, and i root like hell for him.

  179. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    That doesn’t offer any evidence anything will change.

    Hal Steinbrenner hasn’t shown himself to be an impetuous guy and it’s pretty clear the Steinbrenner Family is firmly in Cashman’s corner.

    Still not seeing any evidence of how “things are different”.

  180. Gonezilla February 9th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    if there’s more of a teflon coated bulletproof gm than cashman i can’t think of one.
    _____
    Theo Epstein. He gets a free pass on *everything*. The national sports press can’t say enough good stuff about him.

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