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Spring decision: Utility infielder

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 09, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post


Just a few days ago, the Yankees agreed to minor league deals with veteran infielders Eric Chavez and Ronnie Belliard. Those two will come to camp trying to prove they can still hit, and if they can, they’ll give the Yankees the option of experienced backup at third base. But even if those two make a surprise run at a roster spot, the Yankees will still need a true utility infielder to backup Derek Jeter at shortstop. They have a short list of candidates.

The possibilities
In reality, there are two candidates. Doug Bernier is a fine defensive infielder in camp on a minor league deal, and Kevin Russo’s versatility includes a little bit of experience at the shortstop position, but this seems to be a choice between Eduardo Nunez and Ramiro Pena.

The easy choice
The Yankees know Pena. They know the positives and the negatives. They know the glove and the bat. They know exactly what to expect from him, and they know he won’t flinch at the big league level. There’s comfort there, and if either Chavez or Belliard shows something in camp — giving the Yankees a offensive-minded backup at third — they could more easily stomach the all-glove, no-hit option of Pena backing up at shortstop every other week.

The alternative
The best bet for an impact utility infielder is Nunez. His defense seemed to take a step forward last year, eliminating some of his inconsistency. He’s also a proven base-stealer, and his bat is good for an up-the-middle infielder. If the Yankees expect their utility man to play a lot — if they don’t carry another option at second or third — Nunez seems to be their best bet for production out of that role. Otherwise, the Yankees might consider sending Nunez back to Triple-A to keep playing everyday. He’s the best in-house option to replace Jeter if Jeter continues to slip.

A separate but related issue
Alex Rodriguez had surgery in 2009 and landed on the disabled list in 2010. The Yankees know they’re going to have to give him a few DH starts — and maybe a full day off now a then — but spring training should give them some idea of just how far Rodriguez’s hip has come in the past two years, and just how often they’ll need to rest him during the season.

Associated Press photos of Nunez and Pena

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284 Responses to “Spring decision: Utility infielder”

  1. UnKnown February 9th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Replaying the chat from earlier today right now. So far so good. Great chat. Thanks Chad and Sam.

  2. Warning Track Power February 9th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    I really am disappointed with the medai for reporting Joba appears to look bigger upon arrival today.
    Why not post a photo along with the report?
    Is that such a difficult task for a reporter to do these days?
    If no photo op was available, then it might have been a good idea to not report Joba’s size
    to the Yankee fans today.

    Obviously there is not much news to report, so the media via Twitter has resorted to
    tabloid reporting!

  3. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Did Harold Reynolds really say that about the Yankee farm system/Felix? He’s clueless

  4. 108 stitches February 9th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
    The Yankees are under no obligation to reveal the organization’s decision-making process regarding Joba or any of their players.

    We’re can certainly be curious but they don’t have to tell us everything that has transpired from the day he was brought up in 2007 through the present
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Great post and as sensible as it gets. All else is either speculation on the part of us the fans or media fed / fueled. When all is said and done, very few are privy to what the true thoughts of the Yankee hierarchy is.

  5. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    betsy, harold has a lot of good things going for him, but he’s not g.m. material. dont get your feathers ruffled about what he says i dont think he even believes half the *stuff* he says.

    he is entertaining though.

  6. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Holy highway robbery Batman! Ever wonder why GM’s don’t like going to arbitration?

    “Pitcher Ross Ohlendorf has defeated the Pittsburgh Pirates in the first salary arbitration hearing this year, even after going 1-11 last season. Ohlendorf was awarded a raise from $439,000 to $2,025,000 Wednesday by arbitrators Steven Wolf, Fredric Horowitz and Robert Herzog, who heard the case a day earlier.”

  7. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    1. Pena is known quantity, but not necessary providing me any comfort to know that. I like my UI to have some pop. I need a hubbell telescope to find his ISO. 2. Nunez showed his has some potential with the bat in AAA and consequently, on ML lvl albeit in small sample. My ‘concern’ with him is mainly the throwing part of his game. Out of those two, I take Nunez who presents considerable more of offensive upside than Pena.

  8. JCPD February 9th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Against All Odds February 9th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
    Harold Reynolds: I don’t see anyone in the Yankee farm system that I say let me get him back in a trade for King Felix.

    Is there a facepalm smiley.

    ————————————————————————-

    Didn’t hear the context of his statement, but maybe he’s assuming Jesus makes the big squad this year. If that’s the case, if I’m Seattle, I’m not trading a stud, young, proven pitcher for any of the B’s, regardless of their potential. Can their potential be that much higher than what Felix has already done. Who else in the system would they want?

  9. blake February 9th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    The Yankees actually matchup about as well as anybody in a trade for Felix when you consider the prospects they have and his salary. His contract is a relative bargain for him but it is prohibitive enough to count out a lot of teams that could potentially put together better prospect packages.

    HR is good at talking about playing the game and his relationships with players…… but I highly doubt he even has sat down and looked at exactly what the the Yanks have in their system.

    That said, the obvious issue is that Felix currently is off limits…..will he be if the Mariners are 20 out at the all star break? …..TBD.

  10. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Holy highway robbery Batman! Ever wonder why GM’s don’t like going to arbitration?

    Are you saying Ross Ohlendorf is not worth that? he pitched 285 innings with a 3.98 ERA the last 2 seasons. He lost 7 games last year giving up 3 runs or less.

  11. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    ohlendorf actually pitched pretty well, remember he was pitching for a team that went 57-105. he had a 4.07 era, a 1.3 whip and an era+ of 100, which i believe jerkface said earlier means he was right at average.

    id say 2 mil is a little steep, but remember the arbiters can eitehr choose the club’s price or the player’s price, they cant just make up an amount they think is ok for both sides.

    and why are ppl on here so intent on putting more yankees money into the pirate’s owners pockets instead of the player’s?

    that team has been profiting off the handouts from the yankees and the commonwealth of pa for years…

  12. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Ys Guy, I’m just glad I didn’t listen to him – that would have driven me out of my skull. I don’t watch MLB anymore and almost never watch Baseball Tonight – I’m better off (and so is my blood pressure)

  13. tyanksfan36 February 9th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    can someone help an idiot out here? how do I watch the livechat from this morning. It says to click on On Demand to watch the selected video and I dont see anything that says On Demand anywhere. I am really tired so im probably just missing something.

  14. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    No, I didn’t say that. I said this is why GM’s don’t like going to arbitration.

  15. Melk Man February 9th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Felix is one of the best pitchers in baseball at age 24.

    It’s really not an outrageous statement. Getting 4 maybes doesn’t equal a stud young ace.

  16. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    No, I didn’t say that. I said this is why GM’s don’t like going to arbitration.

    What is highway robbery?

  17. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    AGon:

    “Mike Cameron offered him his No. 23 — which he wore in San Diego — but Gonzalez declined, choosing to wear No. 28 because, in biblical numerology, that number is associated with strength.”

  18. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    I’m not interested in playing word games with you Jerkface. It was a light-hearted reference to the Batman TV show in the context of how the Pittsburgh GM probably feels today being forced to give a $1.6 million dollar raise to a pitcher that won one game in 2010.

  19. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    also harold is a HUGE felix fan, being a mariner at hears as he is.

    and lastly, i almost agree with him. unless the M’s are in such desparate straits that they have to break it down to bare bones and rebuild, i wouldnt even think of trading hernandez.

    even then, he’s so young you can start from scratch and rebuild right around him.

    harold is a clown but i like him alot.

  20. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    yankeefeminista February 9th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
    Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
    also from what i hear about ‘jersey shore’ it pretty much reinforces every bad stereotype of new jersey people. as a person who lives half the time in nj, i resent that.

    This used to bother me. Especially when I went to college in New England, and had to defend NJ over and over again. However, my current thought is let people who have the wrong idea about NJ believe their myth while we enjoy the best kept secret in the country.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I thought that the best kept secret in New Jersey was Jimmy Hoffa’s underground hiding place.

  21. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    So you’re saying that it was highway robbery to rightfully award Ross Ohlendorf for his contributions to the team, in the context that wins and losses are decided by the other sub-par elements of the Pirates???

    There is literally no way one can interpret your comment other than that you think the Pirates were wronged by the arbitration hearing.

    Though I’m sure if a Yankee won arbitration you’d be cheering for them to gouge the Yankees organization further.

  22. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Harold Reynolds and MLB are a great antidote for the winter months. Their programming is terrific in my opinion. It’s tough to be an on air commentator and have every word and opinion scrutinized, one doesn’t have to agree with everything or take it seriously. Aside from Leiter drinking sixteen pots of coffee before taping, I wouldn’t change a thing.

  23. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    also harold is a HUGE felix fan, being a mariner at hears as he is.

    Harold says stupid stuff, as anyone is capable of doing, but I like him a lot. He is a great ambassador of the game and every time I’ve met him in person he has been incredibly nice.

    One thing I like about him is that he doesn’t have any yankee bias. He got crap at ESPN when he didn’t toe the company line of Yankee hate, he always backed the Yankees if he thought they were the right pick for something.

  24. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Jerkface – you just like being argumentative about anything. It was a huge raise and it demonstrates why GM’s don’t like risking arbitration. That’s all. I’m not cheering or not cheering. It’s a huge percentage raise, that’s a fact.

  25. EA February 9th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    If HR was implying that there is not a single package (of prospects) that would make it worth while for Seattle to trade him… he’s right.

    I don’t think it was exclusive to the Yankees

  26. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Hey Jerk, i forgot the line in our bet on Bucholtz’s era, was it 3?

  27. Warning Track Power February 9th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
    Harold Reynolds and MLB are a great antidote for the winter months. Their programming is terrific in my opinion. It’s tough to be an on air commentator and have every word and opinion scrutinized, one doesn’t have to agree with everything or take it seriously. Aside from Leiter drinking sixteen pots of coffee before taping, I wouldn’t change a thing.
    ********************************************************************
    I have enjoyed the channel during the off-season as well, but for much different reasons.
    I cannot listen to these guys talk about off-season trades, signings etc….
    What I do enjoy about the channel is the classic games, the 1960 game 7 between the Yankees vs Pirates and lately MLB Greatest Moments(ejections, arguments) and now the on-going series 20 greatest games.

  28. Yank1 February 9th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Yeah, Reynolds is very good at what he does. To get on TV these days, you have to say some stupid things. Can’t fault for him for that. Not that I think his King Felix comment was stupid anyway, he was right.

  29. BD (Boston Dave) February 9th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    I missed the last thread but if Joba is in fact bigger, it’s not good.

    I don’t want to hear that he added muscle. That is a crock.

    Joba needs to be leaner, not bulkier. If he were truly adding lean muscle, it’s unlikely he’d be getting bigger because he’d also be losing fat.

    I hope he smartens up and hires a professional trainer (who isn’t named McNamee)

  30. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    you just like being argumentative about anything. It was a huge raise and it demonstrates why GM’s don’t like risking arbitration.

    You’re incredibly transparent. Ohlendorf made league minimum, any players first year arbitration number is going to be a huge percentage raise over the league minimum. The Pirates put up 1 million as their offer in arbitration, which is laughable considering Ohlendorf was a starter who pitched league average and had incredibly poor luck with wins and losses. Your own post tells the story of where you sided on the Ohlendorf arbitration case. You thought it was highway robbery.

    The only way a team can’t risk arbitration is to non-tender the player.

  31. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Hey Jerk, i forgot the line in our bet on Bucholtz’s era, was it 3?

    Yes he has to have an ERA under 3 for you to win.

  32. BD (Boston Dave) February 9th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Not choosing sides, but does a thread ever go by without WCYF getting in a fight with someone?

  33. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    I’m sure Harold is nice but I still think he’s a dipstick. I don’t think the M’s are going to trade Felix nor should they, but to say the Yankees don’t have anything in the minors that the Ms might be interested in is just silly.

  34. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Not choosing sides, but does a thread ever go by without WCYF getting in a fight with someone?

    Punching bags get their job due to how easy on the hands they are.

  35. Yank1 February 9th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Chamberlain threw a bullpen today under the watchful eye of new pitching coach Larry Rothschild, who Chamberlain says he’s already mostly in step with. “We’ve been talking all through the off-season and it’s been great,” Chamberlain said. “He’s been really easy to talk to. He doesn’t throw a million things at you. It was only a couple things and they were what I was thinking, so we were on the same page. It’s nice to get out here and throw.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....entor-andy

  36. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    I am not confident abut that :) but heh, it’s a bet.( like to push it under 3.2.)

  37. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    BD, what’s wrong with adding muscle? Phil has bulked up like the Incredible Hulk the last couple of years – maybe too much, I think. It’s possible he wasn’t build up enough in the legs – and I’ve read that some in the Yankees org. think that that may have been the cause of his hammy injury. Now maybe Phil is adding the wrong kind of muscles?”

  38. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    BD, WCYF is the new me, lol

  39. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    “built” up, not build

  40. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    No way, Jose. 3 or bust! :twisted:

  41. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    BD, what’s wrong with adding muscle? Phil has bulked up like the Incredible Hulk the last couple of years – maybe too much, I think. It’s possible he wasn’t build up enough in the legs – and I’ve read that some in the Yankees org. think that that may have been the cause of his hammy injury. Now maybe Phil is adding the wrong kind of muscles?”

    Baseball players don’t need to be super ripped like football players. The keys for baseball are endurance conditioning, flexibility & looseness, and then I guess strength. Your arm still needs to be stronger, to get that good fastball speed, but people are pretty much born with ‘an arm’. A kid is going to throw hard even if he isn’t developed fully.

  42. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    personally i think it was the pirate’s fault that ohlendorf won. there was no way they were going to award him $1M so they had to grant the player’s amount.

    if they had offered $1.5, they would have won or ohlendorf would have settled and they’d still have another $500G of yankees money to spend on thier boats. (they sure don’t spend it on the team!)

  43. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Basically, adding muscle isn’t a guarantee to add batspeed or velocity. In some cases your body is not going to move as well as it did prior and you may incur injury. Throwing a baseball to a precision point and hitting a round ball with a rounded bat, the great equalizers of the natural talent of baseball.

  44. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    you still want to have a solid base to work on though during the season. Hughes legs should be solid and thick.

  45. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    Trust me Besty I can handle it, you think I care? Jerkface is a blowhard who sits in his basement 24/7 and resorts to personal insults when he has nothing to offer.

  46. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    Case in point, I posted something new about an arbitration award and Jerkface wants to argue about it. It’s transparent. He’s angry because LoHud deleted some post he made that were objectionable.

  47. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Jerkface, but my point is that BD thinks Joba may have added the wrong kind of muscle. To me, Phil just looks really ……..overweight, like he’s busting out of his uniform. Actually, I think you made my point for me……..With all that muscle, I don’t see how flexible he can be – and he used to be fairly athletic on the mound. Yet, I remember folks commenting late last year how slow he was covering first base – I don’t think bigger is necessarily better

  48. Red Lobster February 9th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    “Basically, adding muscle isn’t a guarantee to add batspeed or velocity. In some cases your body is not going to move as well as it did prior and you may incur injury. Throwing a baseball to a precision point and hitting a round ball with a rounded bat, the great equalizers of the natural talent of baseball.”

    Which is why, IMO, steroid users should get in the hall if their numbers are worthy.

    As Mark McGwire said, steroids don’t give you the hand-eye coordination to hit a baseball 400 feet.

  49. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Of course a pitcher needs to have a solid foundation, esp. a power pitcher who depends on his legs……………

  50. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    WC, I’m sure you can handle it. I’ve got my own issues on this board to deal with, so I don’t want to get involved in someone else’s……..

  51. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) February 9th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Not choosing sides, but does a thread ever go by without WCYF getting in a fight with someone?

    ********

    Who was I fighting with? I made an innocuous post about a Pirates arbitration award and was immediately attacked by Jerkface. He does this all the time. I hardly think that equates to me fighting with him.

  52. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    I don’t think bigger is necessarily better

    I agree, but I’m not sure what muscle either of them added.

  53. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    You’re right Besty, I can, easily.

  54. upstate kate February 9th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    WCYF
    I don’t want to get into the middle of an argument, but you are the one who preached many times about how King Felix deserved the Cy Young regardless of his W-L record. So why does it matter what Ohlendorf’s W-L record was, when his stats were good? Isn’t it the same argument that W-L record doesn’t matter?

  55. Tom in N.J. February 9th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    If the internet has taught me anything it’s this: don’t get all butthurt because someone named Jerkface said something objectionable.

  56. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Jerkface, you haven’t noticed how huge Phil has become over the course of the past year or two? He’s extremely broad now – bulky, to be frank

  57. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    thats why i dont really care if chamberlain comes in looking like buddha. i will go by what i see him do on the mound and that’s it.

    here’s a pitcher from my youth who was a tubber and also one hell of a good pitcher: mickey lolitch (3 CG in the ’68 WS!)

    http://info.detnews.com/dn/his.....ges/21.jpg

  58. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Wahhhh I’m WCYF and I can’t handle discussion on a discussion section. I think I’m being attacked when someone points out the facts that go against my stupid remarks.

  59. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    The issue with the Pirates arbitration case is they offered too small an offer to Ohlendorf.

    The arbitrator can only choose either the player offer or team offer. He can’t select an arbitrary number.

    If you look at all of Ohlendorf’s numbers, and compare them with similar pitchers with his service time, along with those comps, and they come in at the 1.6-2.1 range.

    I’m surprised the Pirates didn’t attempt to settle the case prior to the hearing.

    It was pretty clear going in Ross had a great chance to win his case.

  60. Asd February 9th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    I love watching this chat. I’m going to start taking bets from people on subjects like “How long before the Yankee discussion degrades into personal insults” and “How many responses until someone says something to the ‘I’m not going to lower myself to this, I’m just going to talk about the Yankees’ effect”. Also, perhaps side bets like “Most insulting ‘I can say this and be mean, but it isn’t insulting enough to be considered too insulting’ term”. At some point, to be insulting but not be too insulting, someone somewhere is getting called a “fiend” or something to that effect. Just you watch.

  61. BD (Boston Dave) February 9th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Betsy,

    Agree with Jerkface.

    When your issue is endurance, conditioning, and enhancing your fast-twitch muscle (more useful for a pitcher I’d think), adding bulk isn’t the best way to spend your efforts.

    It sounds like Joba needs some guidance, quickly.

  62. Asd February 9th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Wait… wait! You didn’t give me time to write this up! Someone actually said “Wahhhh”! You guys and gals make my night all the time, and I thank you for that.

  63. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Jerkface, you haven’t noticed how huge Phil has become over the course of the past year or two? He’s extremely broad now – bulky, to be frank

    Yes, he looked absolutely massive last year and 09. Hughes basically disappeared in the middle of 07 and 08 due to his injury, so maybe I just wasn’t remembering well but when he came up in 09 to start he looked like a man.

    Pretty sure everyone commented on it. He got huge. At the same time, Roger clemens always preached having a huge trunk and Hughes is the same kind of drop and drive type pitcher, so he needs the huge legs. Not sure about the upper body.

    They need to be strong and athletic. Not ripped. If you look at a guy like Brian Roberts or someone, they are likely ripped, totally jacked, but they don’t have the same results as other guys (like Pedroia).

  64. 108 stitches February 9th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    As Girardi likes to do, he’ll take 12 pitchers north with the rest being 12 position players and the DH.
    Whether he wants 2 utility infielders or 1 more outfielder remains to be seen. It appears that Eduardo Nunez will have to play himself off the team with his bat being better than Ramiro Pena’s and with both players able to play 2nd base, shortstop, and 3rd base.
    Lots of protection available at AAA when the final decisions are made during the last week of March.

  65. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    You guys and gals make my night all the time, and I thank you for that.

    You scalliwag.

  66. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    This is Phil circa 2007:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGplQomdSl0

  67. LGY February 9th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Score one for the good guys! Ross won!

    *As a preemptive strike against a Jerkface attack just want to say my score one for the good guys comment is an innocent and meaningless statement. Don’t try your mind games with me buddy!

  68. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....d=12795577

    circa last year

  69. Asd February 9th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    >Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    You scalliwag.

    ===============

    You brute!!!

  70. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    BD, I’m actually agreeing with you -see my comments re: Phil. He has to lose some muscle mass, I think.

  71. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    You can set your freakin’ clock by it…

    ****
    I know I’m going to be sorry for this, but…

    I get enough bickering and agita in my real life, do I have to get it where I come for some enjoyment?

    jerkface -

    You should know by now to just scroll past the remarks by WCYF, because you rarely agree (well, never).

    And even if you enjoy the sparring, it brings everything here down a lot. The entire day goes by and people disagree, but it seldom disintegrates to the same level as it does once the two of you start swapping swipes.

    ****

    It would be one thing if it was every once in a while, but it’s every single evening.

  72. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

    Related funny hughes video

    Also that first curve he snaps off in that 07 video is a 1-7 breaker, but they don’t have speed. Now look at the curve ball he gets Span (I think) with vs the twins, slower and a straight 12-6.

  73. Tom in N.J. February 9th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    rapscallion?

  74. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    here’s another drop-and-driver who got pretty chunky as his career went on: tom seaver

    http://www.goldpanners.com/Scr.....24x768.jpg

    (or is that matt damon?)

  75. Asd February 9th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    >start swapping swipes.

    =======

    Doreen is awesome, if only due to alliteration.

  76. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Jerkface, thanks to my childhood memories of Seaver the broadcaster, I’ve always thought it important for a power pitcher to have strong legs (and a big butt doesn’t hurt). I’m no expert, but I can’t see how being too broad in the upper body can help. His arms are like Popeye’s, lol. I appreciate his work ethic and dedication, but maybe he’d improve in some areas if he lost some of this muscle.

  77. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    I get enough bickering and agita in my real life, do I have to get it where I come for some enjoyment?

    jerkface -

    You should know by now to just scroll past the remarks by WCYF, because you rarely agree (well, never).

    I don’t get enough :x I can’t abide stupid comments from anyone!

  78. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    He’s very good at imitating Mo and CC,lol

  79. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Seaver always struck me as a guy who would tend towards being chunky – not Phil. He was sort of like a greyhound……..

  80. Asd February 9th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    …..bus?

  81. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    Betsy, i believe that’s confirmation bias. I think you are in ‘love’ with Hughes… head over heel..but the… that’s not a bad thing.

  82. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Seaver, Ryan, Drysdale, Cloninger…all big bodied power pitchers.

  83. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    John kruk is kinda big now but you can see that coming…well at least I did. He was def a baseball player and not an athlete. I can throw Well in the that category as well. I imaging Well has prolly gotten bigger since he is playing days.

  84. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    upstate kate February 9th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    WCYF – I don’t want to get into the middle of an argument, but you are the one who preached many times about how King Felix deserved the Cy Young regardless of his W-L record. So why does it matter what Ohlendorf’s W-L record was, when his stats were good? Isn’t it the same argument that W-L record doesn’t matter?

    ***********

    I made a light-hearted post about GM’s not liking the risk of arbitration; pointing out in conbtext Ross Ohlendorf won 1 game last season and received a $1.6 million dollar raise. I never made a strong statement agreeing or not, I was posting something that just was announced. There is no comparison IMO between King Felix’s quest for the Cy Young and Ross Ohlendorf’s contract situation.

  85. Nick in SF February 9th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    “Jerkface is a blowhard who sits in his basement 24/7 and resorts to personal insults when he has nothing to offer.”

    That’s actually very funny. Multiple personal insults in the very same sentence in which he decries personal insults.

    A new record!

  86. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Cashmoney, I don’t fall in love with ball players. If you don’t like my opinion, then fine, I can handle that. Don’t resort to this crap about how I feel or don’t feel about Phil because I’m not going there. Plus, I don’t know what you mean by “confirmation bias”………….

  87. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Well Jerkface, I think you make innumerable stupid comments; it’s a matter of opinion isn’t it.

  88. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    I’ve had my say. And I’ll butt out.

    ****

    Seaver was always chunky. Big legs, trunk, but also chubby-ish in the face. I think we make a mistake when we try to paint with too broad a brush. Each pitcher, indeed each athlete, is unique unto himself. Roger Clemens was big. Curt Schilling seems to fit the Seaver/Clemens mold. But other pitchers have very different builds and are successful in their own right. It’s also not uncommon for people to add bulk/size as they mature physically.

    I really don’t understand why these athletes are being picked apart with such a fine tooth comb.

  89. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Ryan was a lot leaner even in his Rangers days

  90. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    I think we make a mistake when we try to paint with too broad a brush. Each pitcher, indeed each athlete, is unique unto himself.

    Which is why its often futile to even argue about any player. Absent alternative dimensions or 100% accurate simulations, no one will ever be able to know what Joba would have done as a starter in 2010, or what Hughes would pitch like at a lower weight, or whatever.

  91. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Doreen, you added two more to my list. all were 6’5″ and 235 pounds and above. What they had in common…big fastballs and long careers.

  92. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Big is one thing, but IMO it is possible to be too big…….Roger got ridiculously huge later on, but we know why that was

  93. West Coast Yankee Fan February 9th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    You’re entitled to your opinion Doreen, I understand the ganging up mentality on a sports blog, it’s nothing I take too seriously. I can handle it. Thanks.

  94. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    yes, ryan stayed pretty slim.

    http://www.sportsblink.com/pro.....392971.jpg

  95. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Phil Hughes is 6-5, 240 ibs.

    Baseball history is full of power pitchers with similar builds.

    He’s got a strong base, and it’s probably a big reason why his mechanics are so tight and consistent.

  96. Bronx Jeers February 9th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    Using two insults to complain about being insulted is precious but I still have my money on the posters that whine about the posters who whine about the whiners.

  97. Betsy February 9th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    I just think he’s too big on top, but whatever – it’s not worth arguing about

  98. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Tom in N.J. February 9th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
    If the internet has taught me anything it’s this: don’t get all butthurt because someone named Jerkface said something objectionable.

    ******************

    I have to say, I have never heard that expression before.

    Do you find yourself butthurt often?? :grin:

  99. MichiganYankee February 9th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    I believe that Russel Martin has considerable 3rd base experience. Shouldn’t that provide the flexibility needed to avoid carrying another third baseman?

  100. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    WCYF -

    Not ganging up.

    Just expressing some frustration on my part.

    But I had one say last night to you, and another tonight, and that will be all.

    A kumbaya – can’t we all get along – PSA. :)

    Futile, but worth a try every once in a while.

  101. 108 stitches February 9th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
    Seaver, Ryan, Drysdale, Cloninger…all big bodied power pitchers.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    They and many other pitchers of their mold depended on strong legs to give good leg drive in pushing off the mound resulting in much less shoulder strain and using the full body of motion.

  102. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    I believe that Russel Martin has considerable 3rd base experience. Shouldn’t that provide the flexibility needed to avoid carrying another third baseman?

    He could play their in a pinch, but I don’t think he’d be the first sub off the bench. I think his experience at third is reason enough to only carry 1 of pena/nunez. Because if one is subbing for A-rod/Jeter and the other of A-rod/Jeter goes down then Cervelli/Martin could play 3rd for that game.

  103. Joe from Long Island February 9th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    So, I’m home now, going to start up the grill (I don’t care if it’s cold, the snow has cleared and I’m grilling some swordfish), I’ve got a glass of wine, and I thought I’d check the blog……

    And, what do I see? People arguing with each other, instead of talking baseball.

    Ah, some things never change…..

  104. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    On a completely unrelated note-

    We are now in Week 4 of Busy Season.

    I am already so tired of eating frozen dinners at my desk that I could throw my dinner at the monitor right now and it would be all the same to me. Except then I would be hungry.

    Only 9 more weeks after this one is over….
    Not that I am counting.

  105. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Joe from Long Island February 9th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
    So, I’m home now, going to start up the grill (I don’t care if it’s cold, the snow has cleared and I’m grilling some swordfish), I’ve got a glass of wine, and I thought I’d check the blog……
    ************

    OMG-

    See my 6:56 post and then please swing by Jericho and bring me whatever you are grilling.

    Please.

  106. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    A kumbaya – can’t we all get along – PSA

    That PSA cuts off before it devolves into an argument over the lyrics, key, and meter of the song.

  107. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Erica -

    Nobody orders in?

  108. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    What evidence is there that he is too big on top and how has that hurtmhim?

    He had his first injury free season in 3 years and his best season as a pro last year.

    It tells me whatever program he has worked well for him.

    He’s a big kid. Hesnnever going to look like a wiry, small forward.

  109. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
    A kumbaya – can’t we all get along – PSA

    That PSA cuts off before it devolves into an argument over the lyrics, key, and meter of the song.

    ***************

    Think of your fellow man
    Lend him a helping hand
    Put a little love in your heart

  110. Tom in N.J. February 9th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Erica, One of the freshmen I teach introduced me to the word ‘butthurt’.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com.....m=ButtHurt

  111. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    haven’t thought about the bench makeups , but if Andrew is the RH big stick off the bench in the of. It would be nice to have a Hinske type of LH power stick off the bench against RH pitching and spell for the Rod occasionally. On cursory look, I see Chavez, but dunno how much he has left in the tank especially his ability to hit for any kind of power.

  112. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
    Erica -

    Nobody orders in?

    **************

    I tried getting one together tonight.

    But most people don’t stay as late as me. :cry:

    I found one other person who was considering it and she is leaving in 15 minutes.

    The ordering in dinner usually picks up in March

  113. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Tom in N.J. February 9th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
    Erica, One of the freshmen I teach introduced me to the word ‘butthurt’.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com…..m=ButtHurt

    ***********

    Not-so-shocking, my firm has decided I should not be allowed to see that website

  114. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Erica -

    :(

    That’s too bad.

    ****

  115. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Doreen-

    Its okay. I am strongly considering picking up frozen yogurt on my way home tonight to make up for my eating dinner too healthy (and boring)

  116. Bronx Jeers February 9th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Ahhh…. grilled swordfish and wine.

    A Riesling I suspect.

  117. SJ44 February 9th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Absent injuries, they will probably carry 12 pitchers and 13 position players to start the season.

    Tex, Cano, Jeter, Arod, Posada, Martin, Gardner, Granderson, Swisher and Jones are locks.

    Somebody has to be able to backup Jeter at SS. I think Nunez will have the edge over Pena.

    I believe Cervelli will make the team and Montero will start the year in Scranton.

    That leaves one spot on the bench open, with guys like Chabez, Belliard, Maxwell, and Golson, or someone else, depending on how they want to go.

  118. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Ahhh…. grilled swordfish and wine.

    Its Taco Night in the Jerk House. But I prefer to buy all the components separately as I think those taco bell kits are robbery*

    *this is not an opinion, just a generic statement which in no way means I care about taco bell taco kits one way or the other

  119. Joe from Long Island February 9th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Sorry, Erica, but mrs. joe wouldn’t look kindly on my bolting out the door right now. She’s got dibs on the fish.

  120. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    108 stitches February 9th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
    GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
    Seaver, Ryan, Drysdale, Cloninger…all big bodied power pitchers.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    They and many other pitchers of their mold depended on strong legs to give good leg drive in pushing off the mound resulting in much less shoulder strain and using the full body of motion.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I hope that Hughes gets as big as they were. There are certainly worse pitchers that he follows as too big. Not everyone can be Guidry/Ford size. You look at some of these young pitcgers coming through the Yankee system and they are huge…tall, heavily muscled and solid. Like the rest of them, he has to control his weight through conditioning, but, that can be said about any player. These guys all had legs like tree trunks. Billingsley and Broxton
    on the other hand…

  121. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Joe from Long Island February 9th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
    Sorry, Erica, but mrs. joe wouldn’t look kindly on my bolting out the door right now. She’s got dibs on the fish.

    ************

    I understand. It would be rather tricky to explain.

  122. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Its Taco Night in the Jerk House. But I prefer to buy all the components separately as I think those taco bell kits are robbery*

    *this is not an opinion, just a generic statement which in no way means I care about taco bell taco kits one way or the other

    ************************

    But I LOVE Taco Bell food kits. Damn you Jerkface! :evil:

    (this is a joke of course)

  123. Tom in N.J. February 9th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    I picked up a bottle of Vodka made from Apples this weekend from a place called
    Beak & Skiff. It’s good.

  124. Tom in N.J. February 9th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    I just assumed ‘face made a mean Jerk Chicken.

  125. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    But I LOVE Taco Bell food kits. Damn you Jerkface!

    Please do not attack me! I didn’t make any kind of strong statement about taco bell taco kits!

    Real talk: If you have to buy taco shells from a kit, try and get El Paso hard taco shells, they have the best taste and crunch when heated in the oven.

  126. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    We had fish tacos last week (made fresh, of course) with soft tacos. it was a nice change of pace.

  127. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    U guys r making hungry… got some cold cuts and half link of kielbasa sausage, prolly order later. Thumbs up on the swordfish , the steak of the sea.

  128. Jerkface February 9th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Does that make chilean sea bass the filet mignon of the sea?

  129. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    Jerkface-

    I do not like hard taco shells. I am a soft taco kind of girl

  130. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    I can’t see Beliard having any spot. The only position he can play at least decently is 2nd base, Hopefully, Nunez can get some outfield play this spring….at least play well enough to fill in in a one game emergency until Golson, etc can be recalled.

  131. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    those r tasty as well Jerk, though haven’t had for awhile.

  132. Jackson February 9th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    I’m looking forward to seeing Maxwell. I’ve read a few things on him and he seems to be an intriguing player.

  133. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    I did not make the tortillas fresh, however. Though I did do that once. It wasn’t worth the work. Some people in my family were on the Atkins diet and I made the tortillas from scratch following a low-carb recipe.

    Maybe it would be easier if I made traditional tortillas, but it is a lot of work.

  134. BoJo February 9th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Asd February 9th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    I love watching this chat. I’m going to start taking bets from people on subjects like “How long before the Yankee discussion degrades into personal insults” and “How many responses until someone says something to the ‘I’m not going to lower myself to this, I’m just going to talk about the Yankees’ effect”. Also, perhaps side bets like “Most insulting ‘I can say this and be mean, but it isn’t insulting enough to be considered too insulting’ term”. At some point, to be insulting but not be too insulting, someone somewhere is getting called a “fiend” or something to that effect. Just you watch.
    +++++++++++++++++
    You would have loved the Daily News blog last year then. :-)

  135. Bronx Jeers February 9th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    I feel sorry for anybody who enters a grocery store and walks out with Taco Bell.

  136. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Doreen-

    My mother was many things, but a cook was not one of them.

    One day she had the idea to make homemade peking duck. My father came home from playing cards on a Friday night at 4am and in the dark, walked into two ducks hanging from a rope in the kitchen doorway.

    I am not sure I ever heard anyone yell that loud.

    The ducks came out okay. But for obvious reasons, she never made them again.

  137. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    lol

  138. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    i am still very high on phil

    last year i predicted 16 wins and ppl got all over me

    i love the way he is developing

    i love his makeup

    i think we have yet to see his breakout year

    and i think he is going to be a #1 type pitcher for many years.

    i think alot of yankees fans don’t really appreciate what we have with this guy

    …but they will…and soon!

  139. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    I just had a picture flashing through my head of Erica’s dad waking up to find two little duck heads in bed with him.

  140. Joe from Long Island February 9th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Theyr’e reviewing the Yanks on MLB.

  141. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
    I just had a picture flashing through my head of Erica’s dad waking up to find two little duck heads in bed with him.

    ***********

    No.
    Cause then the sheets would have needed to be changed and housekeeping wasn’t her thing either. LOL

  142. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    what’s not to like about Hughes Ys. He is cheap, Young and pretty good with room for improvements. I think by far the most amt arguments i had with friends on the yanks this winter was the matter how to ease out the old guards and how much. Mo and Jete specifically.

  143. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    LMAO. Erica, your stories of homelife is always food for a chuckle. Thank you.

  144. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    always ***food*** for a chuckle

    good.

    Sort of like my typos

  145. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    GB7-

    Anytime :-)

  146. Doreen February 9th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Erica -

    That is priceless. Thanks for the belly laugh! :)

  147. Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    GB7-

    Was that a typo or a freudian slip?

  148. tyanksfan36 February 9th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    GB7

    You’ll have to tell SJ44 when he is around that I’m looking forward to seeing his nephew play if he ends up with the AA team for spring training. There’s a few games of Trenton against the Pirates AA team I can make it to.

  149. rudbeckia February 9th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Totally off topic but need info from you tech-savy fans (even though I could jump into the fray of opinions). We’ve had MLB through DirecTV for years but they’ve really gone up on price. Considering mlb.tv for this season. Who’s had it and what do you think? Do you still get the YES announcers? Any problems? Thanks, and I’ll be back later with my two-cents worth. BTW – I said last season Vasquez wouldn’t make it in New York and got blasted for that. Uh-hum.

  150. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Rud, you have to pay Yes additional fee for live feed on MLB.com. I forgot how much…

  151. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    Erica in NY February 9th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
    GB7-

    Was that a typo or a freudian slip?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Nobody would believe me if I said “freudian slip”. Not with my track record.

    Of course it could be all of the “food” talk for the last 30 minutes, too.

  152. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    i’ve read several ppl on here refer to phil as having topped out, or referring to him as basically a middle of the rotation guy. a guy called wfan today and was ragging about how phil ‘didn’t turn out to be the guy we were told he’d be or somesuch nonesense. i hear that kind of stuff pretty regularly.

    when pettitte retired last week it reminded me of a huge argument we had in the upper deck of YS one day in 1998 (after andy got chased in the 4th) where most of the fans around me were of the opinion that pettitte was pretty much done, that the league had caught up to him and that the yankees should trade him.

    id like to say i was the one arguing that they should keep him, but actually i was pretty split on him. i wanted tthem to keep him, but i was interesteed in what they could get for him.

    i think phil is the real deal and i have no doubt that he steps up and becomes an outstanding #2 this season.

  153. Cashmoney February 9th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    Agree Ys, barring injury of course. Though I think NYY will start the season with AJ as No 2 in name. Phil is the de facto 2 right now by merits of last season. I don’t recall all the hypes and rage while he was in the minor. By my POV, he is progressing rosy.

  154. GreenBeret7 February 9th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    One thing that I hadn’t paid a lot of attention to until recently was the high number of decisions Hughes had in relation to games started and games played. 26 decisions in 31 games and 25 decisions in 29 starts.

  155. Ys Guy February 9th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    new post (forgot already how to do the arrow thing)

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