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Pinch Hitting: Adam Holley

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Pinch hitters on Feb 10, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Pinch Hitter Adam Holley is a 26-year-old currently living in St. Augustine, Fla., but originally from Staten Island, where he lived until two and a half years ago. “I’m pretty sure my father taught me to choose the Yankees over the Mets right around the time he taught me not to walk into oncoming traffic,” he wrote. “I’m pretty sure he thought the two mistakes went hand in hand, turns out he was right.”

Adam would like to get into professional writing and has a blog called, For The Love Of New York. He started it last year — “really using it for practice back then” — and said he’s looking forward to doing more work with it this season.

For his guest post, Adam wrote an impassioned case for Nick Swisher’s place in Yankees history. And, as a treat for Sam and I, he threw in a rather obscure West Wing reference at the end.

The Importance of Being Swisher

What makes the Yankees, The Yankees? Championships? That’s what many on the outside think, and while it is a nice perk, it’s false. What makes the Yankees “great” are the “Yankee Greats.”

I strongly believe Nick Swisher has a chance to become one, and I don’t want us to miss out.

What makes one a Yankee Great? Every team has a most memorable moment. For the Giants, it would be Bobby Thompson and “The Giants Win The Pennant.” For the Red Sox, rather hilariously, this moment still remains in the glove (or rather under the glove) of Mr. Bill Buckner. While one of these moments is of triumph, the other of regret, they are the most historic plays of their respective franchises.

If you had to pick the most significant moment for the rest of the league, 29 times out of 30, you’d end up with big plays as well. Then you reach the Yankees. If you were to pick a scene most identifying of the Yankees as a whole, I’m picking one of three moments:

1. Lou Gehrig’s farewell speech.

2. Mantle and Maris, side by side, bats up against their shoulders.

3. The Boss looking sternly down at the field from the suite.

Not one of these is a play during the game. Why? Because the Yankees are so good, their history is so rich, they have become so much more as a team that they nearly transcend the game itself. Yankee history is not written by what Yankee greats do. It’s who they are.

Nick Swisher doesn’t play for himself. He plays for us. Has anyone reading this ever accused him of having a lack of effort? When he plays, when he is interviewed, when he partakes in events, you can see it in his face: When he arrived in New York, he realized things were different and so, he sat down and made a decision to take the opportunity to make this so much more. He let New York into his heart, and decided to make himself wholly a Yankee.

More impressively, he succeeded.

Swisher gets it, and it isn’t something easy to get. He let us — this city, this team and this history — into his heart, and he changed himself as a player, not for numbers, not for glory, but because he felt he needed to do more for a team that deserved more. “I’m going to be a part of this, and put every bit of effort into it getting the best from me.” The guys whose faces and actions read this way, they are the special ones.

These facts all translate into one thing: Nick Swisher understands what it means to be a true Yankee. He came to this town, this team, and recognized that things here are just different. He wrapped himself so completely in Yankee pride, it motivated him to make changes, to become a better player, simply because Yankee tradition demanded it.

I hear so much these days that the Yankees will never be the same when the Core Four are gone, but this can’t be true. Did we feel the Yankees would never be the same after DiMaggio? Reggie Jackson? Mattingly? Maybe, but each time we learned that Yankee greats give birth to new greats. Passing the baton is part of what keeps the Yankee tradition alive. It’s a Yankee great’s job to teach those who follow what it means to be a true Yankee. It’s our job, as fans, to accept those who follow.

The outside view of the Yankees is skewed. People see the team, see the payroll, and think the Yankees are only out to buy championships. They lure big-money players with huge-money contracts, then lay them by the wayside when they’re through. When Yankee history is truly known, the opposite is actually true. We have a habit of keeping the special ones, the “true Yankees,” right where they belong.

Nick Swisher has the ability, has the tools – in both his bat and his heart — to forever take his place in the Yankee saga, and losing him and therefore taking that chance from him, would make my blue-bleeding heart pour red.

As I look out over this magnificent vista of Yankee future I hope, I plead, and maybe most importantly, I trust the Yankees to see Mr. Swisher forever in pinstripes so he can do us all proud. He’s earned it, and really… don’t you think we’ve earned him?

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446 Responses to “Pinch Hitting: Adam Holley”

  1. Irreverent Discourse February 10th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Watching Swisher pitch against Tampa is still one of the funniest things i’ve ever seen on television. Thank you Gabe Kapler.

  2. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Swish! :)

  3. tbone1570 February 10th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Well written but……..

    -Scratch the posed picture of Mantle & Maris (it has got to the Mick’s swet swing or him getting carried off the field after tearing up his knee).
    -Scratch the Boss and replace it with Babe circling the bases (again!).
    -And, sadly, August 3rd 1979 when only 8 men took the field…..

  4. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Kinda doubt the hip will allow him to have one of those monster seasons like 2007 again,

    I kind of doubt that for many reasons we’d see 2007 again. 2007 was a special year. A-rod was amazing on the field and at the plate. If you look at his UZR at third base they are all negative except for 07, it is like he coalesced into the perfect baseball player for one glorious season.

    Stupid midges.

  5. blake February 10th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Love Nick Swisher.

    I also wanted to add one more thing about this Arod / Pujols contract deal.

    Even if you do look at Alex’s current contract as the comp, which guy had more value at the time the deal was or will be signed?

    2007 Arod: .314/.422/.645.1.067. 54 homers, 156 RBI, 143 runs, and 24 steals. This is as a third baseman before the hip injury and steroid revelations.

    2010 Pujols: .312/.414/.596/1.011. 42 homers, 118 RBI, 115 runs, and 14 steals. This is as a 1st baseman with injuries starting to appear.

  6. tbone1570 February 10th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Oh, and let’s not forget the image of Joe D kicking the dirt at second base after Gionfriddo’s catch.

  7. 108 stitches February 10th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Cashman appears willing to wait and see what shakes out with a rebuilt Burnett, an improved Nova, and a determined Freddy Garcia to make up the 3-5 starting roles and the possibility of Phelps, Noesi, Mitchell, or Warren emerging.
    If things aren’t working as hoped then Liriano or Ohlendorf could enter the picture.
    For Liriano to keep a seat warm for the eventual arrival of Manny Banuelos in 2012 or 2013, I’d offer Minnesota Jorge Vazquez, Romulo Sanchez, Ryan Pope, and a choice of either David Adams or Corban Joseph.
    Less of an offer for Ohlendorf. The Yankee ML scouts will be hard at work in March watching both Liriano and Ohlendorf.

  8. Asd February 10th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    tbone, that’s what so great about the Yankees. For me it’s those three, for others it different moments, but a lot of times, it’s not a moment during a game.

  9. Mike Ri February 10th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    108 stitches

    - its going to take more

    Probably

    Betances or Romine and /Nunez/Warren/Laird for Liriano

    God . .having Liriano and CC as a one two punch. would be nice

  10. Doreen February 10th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    I love Swish. I love that he “gets it.” I’d like the Yankees to keep him.

  11. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Doreen-

    Ditto. Not sure they will though.

    :(

  12. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    I also wanted to add one more thing about this Arod / Pujols contract deal.

    Even if you do look at Alex’s current contract as the comp, which guy had more value at the time the deal was or will be signed?

    2007 Arod: .314/.422/.645.1.067. 54 homers, 156 RBI, 143 runs, and 24 steals. This is as a third baseman before the hip injury and steroid revelations.

    2010 Pujols: .312/.414/.596/1.011. 42 homers, 118 RBI, 115 runs, and 14 steals. This is as a 1st baseman with injuries starting to appear.

    Pujols has had an OPS under 1 once in the last like 8 years. And it was .997 that year. A-rod has had a better OPS than .997 twice in his yankee career.

    Albert Pujols is the greatest right handed hitter ever potentially. He hasn’t even had a bad playoff series since he was 21.

  13. Rich in NJ February 10th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    The Yankees are sitting atop MLB because of the patience approach they took in the early to mid-90s. They have reached the point where they need to return to that model, although it will be easier to endure because of the talent that is currently on both the ML roster and in the mL system.

  14. ac1 February 10th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    No one believes A-Rod’s contract was not a mistake, so why would the Cardinals want to use that as a model? I don’t blame them, but i don’t blame Albert for looking for the top deal either. I do not see this working out for them.

  15. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    so why would the Cardinals want to use that as a model?

    I think the Cardinals don’t want to use A-rod’s deal as a model, they want to pay Pujols something reasonable (to them) for 6-7 years. Pujols, correctly, wants to be paid like a player that puts up ridiculous 1 OPS yearly.

  16. pinstripes4 February 10th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    nice article – enjoyed it

  17. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    eboland11 So far more autograph seekers (3) out front than big leaguers at the complex. But something always develops #rainyday

  18. Chuck58 February 10th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Other indelible Yankee moments: Babe calling his shot in ’32 WS. Yogi leaping into Larsen’s arms to close the ’56 WS perfecto. Rocket throwing the bat…. [well, two outta three ain't bad].

  19. Chuck58 February 10th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Hi, Erin! :-)

  20. pat February 10th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    I’m skeptical I will ever look back at Swisher’s time in pinstripes and think of him as a Yankee great.

    Nice player who found his niche and a lifestyle he enjoys and is willing to do what it takes to keep it- Yes. Yankee great- No.

  21. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Hi Chuck! How are you? :)

  22. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    i like your enthusiasm and i like nick swisher alot. BUT…

    swisher is a secondary player, not a star. i like guys like him, but he is expendable.

    and how can you “pick a scene most identifying of the Yankees” that doesnt include babe ruth?

    and lastly, i dont think RS fans would agree about buckner’s error being thier most memorable moment.

  23. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    I’m skeptical I will ever look back at Swisher’s time in pinstripes and think of him as a Yankee great.

    He doesn’t have to be a Yankee great, the article is saying that he has a chance to be woven into the indelible yankee fabric. A guy like Paul O’Neil or Tino. Guys who are remembered as Yankees.

  24. West Coast Yankee Fan February 10th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    No one knows with any certainty that A-Rod’s contract was a mistake; that depends what he does in the future. What we do know, is that he is one of the most talented ballplayers ever to lace up a pair of cleats, so to speculate as to a precipitous drop in performance due to age by comparing him to others is just that, speculation. The biggest thing A-Rod has going for him is the DH waiting for him, I suspect some years down the road. This will I believe add more than a few very productive years to his career. Also, the Yankees can fade a year or two of his contract financially; that what they do.

  25. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Well actually upon re-reading it does say he could be a Yankee great, :x

  26. Erica in NY February 10th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Erin-

    My Ernie mug broke the other night…. on my toe :cry:

  27. blake February 10th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Jerkface,

    That’s true but OPS isn’t the entire game…..there are other factors including that Alex plays and has played a more premium position than Pujols and has nearly 300 more steals in his career. My point wasn’t that Alex is a betted hitter than Pujols because as a pure hitter I don’t think he is or ever was…..my point was that when Alex signed that contract he may have had more leverage to get it than Pujols currently does.

  28. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    i hate to bring it up but i think johnny damon’s grand slam at YS would be a much more memorable moment for RS fans. (or either last out of the WS they won)

  29. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Erica in NY February 10th, 2011 at 9:50 am
    Erin-

    My Ernie mug broke the other night?. on my toe

    ***************************
    Oh no! :(

    Is it fixable or will you have to get a new one?

  30. Mell February 10th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    “I’m skeptical I will ever look back at Swisher’s time in pinstripes and think of him as a Yankee great”

    Ditto, especially given his October disappearing acts.

  31. blake February 10th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    I would rather have the peak of Arod than the peak of Pujols.

  32. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    blake, you’re mixing contracts. arod has been a 3b for this entire contract, so there is basically no positional advantage with arod (actually a slight advantage to pujols). and arod’s good stealing days were over when he signed this contract, so that counts for almost nothing.

  33. LCovey February 10th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Thank you for writing this! I have been trying to figure out why I love Swish so much, and this really sums it up. His love of the game, his love of the Yankees, the effort he puts in day in and day out. Do I think he will be a “Yankee Great” and forever revered in Yankees history? Probably not. I do think he absolutely has a chance to be remembered as a “Yankee” though, like Jerkface said, and that is what makes him great. He puts a smile on my face every single game, respects and loves the organization and the fans, and for that I thank him. I will be heartbroken to see him leave when that time comes… hopefully not anytime soon!

  34. pat February 10th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    “those $6M bonus bombs that arod will be making are what really makes arod?s contract look bad. the yankees arent going to recover anything for that.”

    The Yankees are already “recovering” from them before they are earned. The bonuses are one part of a marketing plan that already started.

  35. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    That’s true but OPS isn’t the entire game…..there are other factors including that Alex plays and has played a more premium position than Pujols and has nearly 300 more steals in his career. My point wasn’t that Alex is a betted hitter than Pujols because as a pure hitter I don’t think he is or ever was…..my point was that when Alex signed that contract he may have had more leverage to get it than Pujols currently does.

    Yea but his OPS is so good and he is so consistent. And did you expect A-rod to continue stealing post-2007? He does play a better position than first, but Albert Pujols is one of the best first baseman in baseball, so at least he plays his position well.

    Pujols has as much leverage as someone who consistently OPS’s over 1, or consistently: hits .300… while hitting 40HRs… while hitting 40 doubles… while scoring 100 runs…while getting 100 rbis…while walking more than he strikes out.

  36. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Ditto, especially given his October disappearing acts.

    he was very good against the twins last year.

  37. upstate kate February 10th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    LCovey
    you summed up my feelings exactly. While I would not call Swish a Yankee great, I really enjoy him.

  38. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    eboland11 Just as I say that, Phil Hughes emerges in OF to play catch with Larry Rothschild. Joba is also here

  39. Bronx Jeers February 10th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    I get the impression that Swish would be happy picking up reindeer poop in the Siberian winter.

    I do think it’s a mistake to believe that the Yanks “…nearly transcend the game itself.” Possibly that’s just youthful exuberance speaking.

    But it was a nice romantic take on the Yanks.

  40. Asd February 10th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    >and lastly, i dont think RS fans would agree about buckner’s error being thier most memorable moment.

    Sadly for the RS fans, the moments choose to become memorable, and fans have no power over this.

    Also, I’m not saying that Swish IS a Yankee Great. He isn’t there. My argument is that he has the personality, heart and the skill to BECOME a great. And if not that, then at least a player who should always be remembered as a Yankee, nothing less.

  41. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    I get the impression that Swish would be happy picking up reindeer poop in the Siberian winter.

    Having eaten reindeer poop every christmas for the past two decades, I think I’d be excited about that too. Stuffs delicious.

  42. blake February 10th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Jerkace,

    But the Yankees and Sox may not be involved for Albert’s services. That takes away a ton of leverage right there that Alex had in 2007.

    Ys guy,
    Are you saying that 1b is more premium than 3b?….

  43. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    That takes away a ton of leverage right there that Alex had in 2007.

    A-rod had no leverage in 2007, no one was bidding on him at all.

  44. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Bronx Jeers February 10th, 2011 at 10:00 am
    I get the impression that Swish would be happy picking up reindeer poop in the Siberian winter.

    ***************************

    :lol:

    That’s quite an image!

  45. Mell February 10th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    “I would rather have the peak of Arod than the peak of Pujols”

    Has Pujols had anything but peak?

  46. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    The biggest team going after A-rod was the Angels, maybe. The Yankees bid against themselves, which the Cardinals have proved they can do just fine with Holliday. And if they don’t sign Pujols to what he wants then he will just go to the Cubs or another team for what he demands.

  47. Chuck58 February 10th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Doing fine, Erin, thank you. Just a little snow in Norfolk, 2 hour delay to begin work.
    How are you faring? :-)

  48. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    A-rod’s peak was his last year in SEA and 3 years in Texas. I would take that from a short stop any day, but I’d rather have the CAREER of Pujols which so far is just one mindnumbingly good year after another.

  49. pat February 10th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    “I get the impression that Swish would be happy picking up reindeer poop in the Siberian winter.”

    Not if Ozzie was the manager of the Siberian team. :wink:

  50. blake February 10th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Mell,

    No but neither did Alex until 2008…….Pujols is 30, he’s still in his prime years.

    Jerkface,

    The Angels were I believe, and having the Yankees involved is the key thing whether they are bidding against themselves or not.

  51. Chuck58 February 10th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Wonders if Erica has to get a new toe :-)

  52. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    AnthonyMcCarron Now Joba Chamberlain is out playing catch, too.

  53. PacoDooley February 10th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    I like Swisher, but no way is he destined, or otherwise going to be a Yankees great. This team has several that will be in that league, but really only Jeter is destined for that level of greatness. Cano can get there some day if he keeps playing the way he has and emerges as a larger figure (which may be easier after Jeter’s time fades). A-Rod, CC and Teix are all great players, but none are really identified as great Yankees. Posada is a very good Yankee, but I don’t think he enters the pantheon of greats.

  54. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Chuck58 February 10th, 2011 at 10:05 am
    Doing fine, Erin, thank you. Just a little snow in Norfolk, 2 hour delay to begin work.
    How are you faring

    ***************************
    Very cold, but other than that, just fine. :)

  55. charlestonchew February 10th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Honestly, Adam, I would take a look at the work Chad does and analyze the way that he writes.

    He’s an excellent writer when it comes to sports writers (sooooo much better than Pete that it’s almost comical).

    Pick up some tips by combing through the structure and flow of his writing and, from there, I would advise that you experiment some with the flow of your writing. Read things out loud. If it doesn’t sound good when read aloud, it needs to be reworked. Mix together short sentences and long ones. You don’t want your reader to stumble when reading your work. Most of all, take time in the editing process. Don’t be afraid to delete entire sentences that you aren’t in love with. With a little extra dedication and a pinch of anal retentiveness, you can improve your writing markedly.

    Not sure why I offered you advice, as I am far from a professional writer. I am, however, good at reciting all of the tips that I’ve been offered over the years.

  56. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    cgrand14 Hall of Famer Herb Pennock was born in this date in 1894. Half of his 22 seasons were spent in a Yankees uniform!

  57. blake February 10th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Jerkface,

    This is like debating King Kong vs Godzilla but Ill take the 50 homer SS over the 1.000 OPS career. Pujols has been the more consisently great player but I think the very best of Alex is/was better than the very best of Pujols. JMO. Albert is a better pure hitter but he doesn’t have the power or speed or ability to play SS that Arod had at his best.

  58. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Erin February 10th, 2011 at 9:53 am
    Erica in NY February 10th, 2011 at 9:50 am
    Erin-

    My Ernie mug broke the other night?. on my toe

    ***************************
    Oh no!

    Is it fixable or will you have to get a new one?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Maybe Erica can get a new toe on E-Bay.

  59. Mell February 10th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    “he was very good against the twins last year.”

    Yes. In Game 3. He was 2 for 9 with a run scored over the 1st two games before having a very good Game 3 in which he homered and doubled in 3 AB’s.

    Almost 100 PA’s in the postseason with the Yankees and he’s never driven in a runner not named Nick Swisher. October has not been his time.

  60. Erica in NY February 10th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Erin & Chuck58-

    Lets put it this way-

    I didn’t know whether to cry about the mug or my toe.
    Or when I tried to fix it, I got crazy glue all over my hands.

    Its pieced together for now. But its a lot less cute with a glued handle

    My mug:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer.....nkCode=asm

  61. Chuck58 February 10th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Ah, Herb Pennock. Another great player we stole from the Sox ;-)

  62. G. Love February 10th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Adam,

    Nice post! You should be Swisher’s PR guy. By the time I finished the post I was ready to write a strongly worded letter to the Yankees to give Swish a lifetime contract, lol.

    The great thing about Swish is he cares so much and tries so hard. However, that’s also the negative thing about him in the post season when he gets so jacked to have a moment he takes himself out of the game at the plate.

    That said, I think he’s going to get that post season thing under control. It seems like that’s a progression for some guys who get too excited in the post season. They struggle until they flip that switch and then they carry the team through a series.

    To this day I still think Swisher is Cashman’s greatest trade. He got a team to take Wilson frickin’ Betemit and brought us back an All Star. Whenever I get mad at Cash I always have to remind myself he pulled that deal off.

  63. Chuck58 February 10th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    E-Bay :-) Nice one, GB.
    Erica, glad you found a replacement mug.
    Hope the toe is feeling better now.

  64. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    so picture this…a down-on-thier-luck team in the big city, with a new ballyard, a very profitable tv network and a very big fan base. they have a few very good players but something is missing…..

    yes, we’re talking Madoff, sorry i mean met’s baseball!

    can you imagine how bit the opportunity is to bring in albert and rekindle the franchise. you sign him, sign a #2 starter, bring in the fences, and voila, you’ve got a very competitive team, maybe not the phillies, but certainly a playoff contender (which = big ticket sales).

    reyes up top (assuming he recovers and signs), pujols-wright-bay in the middle of the lineup, santana as an ace and crazy frankie as the closer, that’s damn good!

    unfortunatly, i believe the federal government has first dibs on the $300M…

  65. Bronx Jeers February 10th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    cgrand14 Hall of Famer Herb Pennock was born in this date in 1894. Half of his 22 seasons were spent in a Yankees uniform!

    ——————————————————————————————————–

    He’s always posting these obscure historical baseball facts. I wonder if he ever convinced John Cusack to come to his bar.

  66. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Erica-that mug is adorable!!

    That reminds me-I had jury duty earlier this week and before you can get in the building you have to put everything you have on you (coat, gloves, etc) through the scanner. One of the guards started making fun of my Bert mittens! I think he was just jealous. ;)

  67. 108 stitches February 10th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Can’t see the Yankees not picking up the 2012 option of Swisher’s contract. As long as he doesn’t stray from what Kevin Long has taught him, he and the Yankees can talk about a reasonable deal for 2013 and beyond. By then he’ll be 33 and wouldn’t be looking for an outrageous deal. He loves where he is and it shows.

  68. Mike Ri February 10th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Evan Roberts hints Loriano would be a perfect fit for yanks !.

  69. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    This is like debating King Kong vs Godzilla but Ill take the 50 homer SS over the 1.000 OPS career.

    Right, positional scarcity means anyone would take that, but A-rod was only a 50 HR SS for less than half his career.

  70. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Yes. In Game 3. He was 2 for 9 with a run scored over the 1st two games before having a very good Game 3 in which he homered and doubled in 3 AB’s.

    So Game 3 wasn’t in the playoffs? He OPS’d 1 for the series.

  71. Mell February 10th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    “Albert is a better pure hitter but he doesn’t have the power or speed or ability to play SS that Arod had at his best.”

    Didn’t have the speed, but clearly had the power. Pujols career slugging percentage is .624, a number Rodriguez has exceeded exactly twice in his illustrious career.

  72. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Rodriguez’ career post season numbers are pretty damned good. not sure why anybody thinks that only Yankee numbers count, Post season is post season. Pressure/clutch is the same on any team.

  73. Fran the original February 10th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Erica and Erin,

    before I forget the muppets will be appearing on Top Chef next Wedesday night at 10 on Bravo. Set those DVRs :)

  74. Irreverent Discourse February 10th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    mell – you do have to get TO october, and his contributions are greatly appreciated. cherry picking 100 AB’s out of the 1000 he has with the yankees only makes you look silly. almost every player performs worse in the playoffs. something about great teams and great pitching…

  75. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Swisher will never be a “Yankee Great” because he won’t be around long enough to be a “Yankee Great”. In 2 years, he’ll be wanting $13-$15 mil a year for 4-5 years and he’s not worth that.

  76. blake February 10th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Jerkface,

    True but he was a 40+ homer SS 6 times and has 30/100 for 13 straight seasons. Pujols has 6 40 homer seasons as a 1B. Pujols is the better pure hitter because of his consistency but I still think the very best of Alex was better.

  77. Wave Your Hat February 10th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    There are stirrings that the Twins might trade Liriano. If true put me in the get Liriano camp.

  78. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    “and lastly, i dont think RS fans would agree about buckner’s error being thier most memorable moment.

    Sadly for the RS fans, the moments choose to become memorable, and fans have no power over this.”

    i dont really know what that means, but while a yankees or mets fan might pick the buckner error, i think any red sox fan would remember damon’s granny before buckner. not to mention that buckner’s bobble was 25 years ago.

    the premise would be similar to a red socks fan saying that damons granny was the most memorable moment in the past few yankees seasons.

  79. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Fran the original February 10th, 2011 at 10:25 am
    Erica and Erin,

    before I forget the muppets will be appearing on Top Chef next Wedesday night at 10 on Bravo. Set those DVRs

    *************************
    Awesome!!! :D

    Thanks Fran

  80. Chip February 10th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    According to Sherman the Yankees were privately very happy they had been able to sign Luis Vizciano. They were excited that he seemed to have fully recovered from the way Torre overused him and hoped that he might provide something.

    I fully expect, if he’s healthy, Eric Chavez will make the Yankee roster over Brandon Laird and Ramiro Pena. If the plan is really to give Derek and Alex more down time then having Chavez available to play some 3b, 1b, and DH would be a tremendous asset…see that’s the difference between a guy like him and a guy like Jim Thome or Vlad. The latter two can only serve as a DH whereas a guy like Chavez can help in the field as well. Pena has no bat and with Nunez up they don’t need a second back up SS & Laird needs to at least open the season at AAA after only getting a little work there towards the end of last season.

    I think the opening day roster will be:

    C – Martin
    1b – Tex
    2b – Cano
    3b – Alex
    SS – Derek
    LF – Gardner
    CF – Granderson
    RF – Swisher
    DH – Posada

    Bench: Jones, Chavez, Cervelli, Nunez

    CC
    Hughes
    AJ
    Garcia
    Nova

    Pen -
    RHP: Mo, Soriano, Robertson, Joba, Mitre
    LHP: Logan, Feliciano

  81. Mike Ri February 10th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Wave your Hat

    There are stirrings that the Twins might trade Liriano. If true put me in the get Liriano camp.

    ————————-

    I agree .. you can put me in the same camp as well

  82. blake February 10th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Mell,
    his slg % is higher because of doubles. Albert has never hit 50 homers, Alex has done is 3 times win a high of 57. I was talking more of pure HR power and again am talking peak, not career.

  83. forum7200 February 10th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Nice read. Love Swisher and agree with your points he is one of the guys that has come in here and completely embraces and understands the true meaning of being a Yankee. George would be proud of him. Whatever happens to Swish he was always be one of my favorite Yankees going forward.

  84. Mell February 10th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    “So Game 3 wasn’t in the playoffs? He OPS’d 1 for the series.”

    Didn’t say that. It was in fact his day in the sun in an otherwise putrid postseason career.

  85. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    The Top Chef show will specialize the different dishes of frog legs, fried chicken, ham and bear steaks.

  86. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    gb, we started out this discussion by comparing the value of arod’s current contract to what pujols should get on his contract.

  87. blake February 10th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Why would the twins trade Liriano unless its for a huge return?

  88. Chip February 10th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Wave Your Hat February 10th, 2011 at 10:29 am
    There are stirrings that the Twins might trade Liriano. If true put me in the get Liriano camp
    ——————

    Agreed –

    Though I always have my concerns when a team is willing to deal a very good young pitcher. It suggests to me that they may have questions about his long term viability.

    The big question of course is what it would take to get him.

    They have no need for Montero as a catcher, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t want him – I personally would not include him or Banuelos for Liriano.

  89. Erica in NY February 10th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Erin-

    The guard was definitely jealous. I need to wear my Ernie mittens more

    *****

    Chuck58-

    I did not order the replacement yet. I need to remember when i get home at night.

    *******

    Fran-

    Thank you for the heads up.
    Also, I know you want to include as many people as possible. And thats awesome of you. But maybe we should consider stopping with 14 teams. Do you remember how slim the pickings were last season by the end and that was only 10 teams?

  90. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Pujols has the raw power to hit 50 HRs. He hit 46, 49, and 47 HRs. The thing is, he hits for a high average and doesn’t whiff. He cracks hard line shots all over the field. He could strike out 50 more times and pile on 6-8 HRs in the balance. He is a career .331 hitter. A-rod bested that once, ever!

  91. LGY February 10th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    …see that’s the difference between a guy like him and a guy like Jim Thome or Vlad. The latter two can only serve as a DH whereas a guy like Chavez can help in the field as well.

    ******

    If by help in the field you mean help the field staff when he is on the DL all season then yeah completely agree

  92. Chip February 10th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    blake February 10th, 2011 at 10:32 am
    Why would the twins trade Liriano unless its for a huge return?

    ————————

    Two reasons come to mind:

    1. $$$$
    2. They have concerns about his health going forward and would like to get some return for him while his value is high

  93. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    i dont think that swisher has been more of a ‘good yankee’ than damon was while he was here. johnny surely embraced the whole package and ‘got it. the only difference is that damon had already made a name for himself elsewhere before he came here.

  94. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Didn’t say that. It was in fact his day in the sun in an otherwise putrid postseason career.

    He wasn’t good in 09, and like the rest of the team sans Granderson/Cano disappeared vs the Rangers, but his non-Yankee postseason career he put up above average OBP in every series. Give Swisher Jeter’s sample size and he will have good series.

  95. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    There are stirrings that the Twins might trade Liriano. If true put me in the get Liriano camp.

    Package Romine with some pitching prospects and whatever scrappy infielder the Twins like. I’d like to see Liriano in pinstripes for less than Montero/Banuelos

  96. Asd February 10th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    >i dont really know what that means, but while a yankees or mets fan might pick the buckner error, i think any red sox fan would remember damon’s granny before buckner. not to mention that buckner’s bobble was 25 years ago.

    What I mean is that the “Most Memorable Moment” for a team does not mean “Fan Voted Moment” It means that it is most associated with the franchise. You know how word association works, of course by saying the first word that comes to mind when another word is said. Well if you did “picture association” and have any random person, familiar with baseball or not, pic a moment in history associated with saying “Red Sox” I don’t think you get the grand slam. You get the buckner. With the Yankees, any number of things can come to mind as first, but a lot of them happened while a game wasn’t being played.

  97. G. Love February 10th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    As much as we need a pitcher, I don’t think I would trade any of the guys routinely making the top 100 list for Liriano.

    I want to hold those guys in case a healthier top tier starter becomes available.

    I’d rather go into the season and see if Billingsley, Kershaw, Josh Johnson, Felix Hernandez, etc. somehow become available. Someone you never think will become available inevitably does each season.

    The one thing with Felix is if that team stinks out of the gate it’s not out of the realm of possibility he comes right out and says he wants out of Seattle. I realize he has a contract, but he could drive the process if he’s disgruntled about that team and their chances.

    The Twins would attempt to fleece the Yankees for Liriano. He’s not worth being fleeced for in my opinion.

  98. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 10:32 am
    gb, we started out this discussion by comparing the value of arod’s current contract to what pujols should get on his contract.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    And?

    Somebody also felt the need to mention Rodriguez’ post season. I’m just setting the record straight.

  99. Wave Your Hat February 10th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    “Though I always have my concerns when a team is willing to deal a very good young pitcher. It suggests to me that they may have questions about his long term viability.”

    More likely, if indeed they are looking to move him, they are concerned about his free agency in 2013 and his arbitration in 2012, and want to move him at his highest value.

  100. Wave Your Hat February 10th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    “As much as we need a pitcher, I don’t think I would trade any of the guys routinely making the top 100 list for Liriano. ”

    You have got to be kidding.

  101. Mike Ri February 10th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    G Love – Liriano is a STUD ! .

  102. Joe from Long Island February 10th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Chip – that’s not a bad looking team.

    It will be an interesting story as to what the Yanks wind up doing with Cervelli. If Montero starts the season at SWB, and things progress as everyone hopes, come June the Yanks will need to make a move with Cervelli. Depending on how he’s playing, he might trade places at SWB with Montero, and provide emergency catching insurance; or he might be part of a trade for a team needing to shore up it’s own catching.

    I think Cervelli is a good kid, and would miss him not playing on the Yanks, but, I don’t think he’s a long time player here.

  103. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Romine and DJ Mitchell or Ryan Pope should cover any cost of Liriano. He’s had one great partial season and one good full season. Injuries and ineffectiveness would make even that overpay, except for the Yankees need for another starter.

  104. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    ads, your explanation does not change my thinking at all. your first association with ‘red socks’ might be buckner, but for alot of other fans, its damon or teddy ballgame or yaz.

    to me the most memorable moment in socks history is, unfortunatly, damons granny.

  105. Wave Your Hat February 10th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    “Romine and DJ Mitchell or Ryan Pope should cover any cost of Liriano.”

    If the Twins would do that deal I would do it before they woke up. However, he’ll go for significantly more than that. Which I would pay.

  106. Mell February 10th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    “Well if you did “picture association” and have any random person, familiar with baseball or not, pic a moment in history associated with saying “Red Sox” I don’t think you get the grand slam. You get the buckner.”

    Might get Fisk’s homer in the 1975 WS ahead of both of them.

  107. Asd February 10th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    That’s fine Ys, but as much as my opinion doesn’t translate to the general consensus, neither does yours. They translate exactly to your and my opinions, and nothing else.

  108. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Buckner’s error was the subject of a national advertisement commercial. It has weight to it.

  109. blake February 10th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    I agree, Liriano in any deal not involving Montero / Banuelos would be nice…..but k.don’t see a real reason why the Twins would do that. They are competitive.

    Jerkface,

    The Ks are in fact a big thing with Pujols and one reason he hits for such high average. I love that about him. Again Im not trying to detract from him because he’s great……but there has never been another SS that could do the things Alex could do in his prime. There have been comparable 1b numbers wise with Albert…..at least closer than there has been with ss’s and Alex.

  110. 108 stitches February 10th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    GM Bill Smith of Minnesota should have learned with the Johan Santana fiasco that the Yankees are not pushovers in giving up top tier talent.
    If Smith even hints at the likes of Montero, Banuelos, Betances, or top Class A talent, the conversation for Liriano ends right there and Cashman moves on.

  111. Cashman needs to go February 10th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Chip – I know this won’t happen but who would you trade as yankee gm for jared weaver if he were made available by the angels?

    As a side note I don’t know why the Angels are nickel and diming Jared Weaver over chump change and going to arbitration with him but overpay for the likes of gary matthews, torii hunter and vernon wells.

  112. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    “the house that ruth built” may be a memory, but this is still the franchise that ruth built. if he’s not in the moments most associated with the team, then nobody else deserve to be there, imo.

  113. Fran the original February 10th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Erica,

    I think you’re right. I’ll keep it at 14. Then the league is set. Some great team names.

  114. Tom in N.J. February 10th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    One of Adams/Nunez. (scrappy Inf. type)

    Two of Warren/Phelps/Noesi. (High floor, low ceiling starters that the Twins seem to like)

    Plus, Romine or Laird?

  115. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    its funny the reaction whenever a ‘name’ guy might be available.

    count me in on liriano.

    and count me in on pujols

    and count me in on king felix, and cliff lee and ohlendorf

    when it doesnt cost anything, i’m all-in!

  116. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    If Smith even hints at the likes of Montero, Banuelos, Betances, or top Class A talent, the conversation for Liriano ends right there and Cashman moves on.

    We need to somehow stop this ‘conversation ends’ portion and get it to where Cashman negotiates a better price. Bill Smith is bad at trades. That much is self-evident. The problem is he has ‘gouge-yankees-itis’ and Cashman has to work through it to get to a good deal.

  117. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    eboland11 Derek Jeter at the complex for fourth day this wk, though not outside

  118. Mell February 10th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Twins certainly aren’t in a position where they need to trade Liriano, so I don’t see him going as cheaply as Romine and Mitchell, but GB7 is correct in pointing out that Liriano has, to this point in his career, cobbled together exactly one full season as a high end starter. Twins are probably better off keeping him this year, hoping he puts together a season similar to or better than 2010, and then moving him next offseason.

  119. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 10:32 am
    The Top Chef show will specialize the different dishes of frog legs, fried chicken, ham and bear steaks.

    *****************************
    GB, you are SO funny. :x

  120. Cashman needs to go February 10th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    also if the redsox defining moment is a negative one – wouldn’t bucky bleepin dent or aaron bleepin boone also be in the mix? Buckner’s error was in the 6th game so they actually had a chance to win the next night – that loss could have been remedied…dent and boone’s games were must win games…

  121. Mike Ri February 10th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    11 O’clock Evan and John Heyman ( i know i know everyones favorite ) .. on WFAN. Discussing a potential Yankee target

  122. Fran the original February 10th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    GB,

    Actually,I was wondering how the muppets will eat all that delicious food.

  123. SJ44 February 10th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    The Angels are taking the stance they are for one reason……Scott Boras.

    Arte Moreno hates Boras so much, it has bled into their baseball ops and he is instructing his people to take the hardline.

    It’s dumb and it’s cost them dearly this off-season.

    Liriano? I’d check it out.

    The Twins have a 118 million dollar payroll this year. They are no longer “small market”, given their new and significant stadium revenues.

    Liriano has a rep of being a difficult guy to deal with for a staff and clubhouse.

    Often though, those guys soften when they get in a veteran clubhouse.

    FWIW, Soriano also has the same rep.

    If Liriano does hit the market, I would expect the Yankees to be active bidders.

  124. Patrick February 10th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    I’d trade any minor leaguer outside of Montero and Betances for Liriano

  125. Patrick February 10th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    and Banuelos

  126. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    WYH-

    Do you have a source for these “stirrings” ?

    Where are they on the Richter Scale ?

    :)

  127. Wave Your Hat February 10th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Mell-

    Liriano has always been considered to be a top flight talent. He had some muscle strain issues early on (he signed at like 16) and then TJ surgery, which has held him back. The recovery track record for TJ surgery is excellent. Liriano had fantastic peripherals last year- 9.4 K/9, 2.7 BB/9, .4 HR/9, which are all close to his career norms.

    There’s no reason to believe he won’t be an excellent pitcher.

  128. Asd February 10th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    >Cashman needs to go February 10th, 2011 at 10:55 am
    also if the redsox defining moment is a negative one – wouldn’t bucky bleepin dent or aaron bleepin boone also be in the mix?

    You would think, but most memorable doesn’t mean which is most negative, most positive, or even which has the most impact. It’s just whatever sticks.

  129. Mike Ri February 10th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    MTU —

    According to Joe Christensen at the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Twins officials privately are open to the idea of trading Francisco Liriano this season.
    Among Minnesota’s six legitimate starters entering camp, Liriano arguably has the highest upside and lowest downside. The former All-Star returned to form last season, finishing with a 3.62 ERA and 201 strikeouts in 191.2 innings. He also is an injury risk, having recovered only a few years ago from Tommy John surgery. Liriano’s value is at its highest since 2006. With the Twins now privately open to moving him, teams anxious to bolster their rotations could come calling.

  130. Mell February 10th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    “There have been comparable 1b numbers wise with Albert”

    Yeah. Lou Gehrig and Jimmie Foxx .

  131. Mike Ri February 10th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    that was per Rotoworld.com

  132. Wave Your Hat February 10th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    MTU:

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......o-liriano/

  133. Patrick February 10th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    I don’t see why the Twins would trade Liriano. He’s their best pitcher and they will contend for a playoff spot this year.

  134. upstate kate February 10th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    mlb had on a show about the 1986 season over the weekend. I didn’t watch the entire show, just had it on for background. And of course, the focus was the Mets winning the WS (how far they have fallen) and the Buckner error. At the end of the show, they showed Buckner returning to Fenway, and being “forgiven”. Sappy person that I am, it made me cry. I always felt bad for him, even if he is a red sox.

  135. Wave Your Hat February 10th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    I don’t think the Yanks would need to trade MOntero for Liriano, but I’d include a killer B in a deal.

  136. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Much of the Liriano cost will depend on the return to health of Morneau. He’s got some serious issues to overcome. The Twins are also in need of a replacement for Mauer, who they have mentioned moving to another spot to keep him from getting beaten up and saving that bat. They just traded their best minor league catcher. They have two young infielders at 2nd and 3rd base plus Casilla at short. Catching and pitching are really all they need, unless they move their Japanese import to short and want a replacement for Casilla. That won’t be Nunez, unless it’s Luis Nunez. More likely Joseph or Adams….not both.

  137. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Mike/WYH-

    Thanks.

    Interesting.

    We should definitely look into it.

    ;)

  138. Chip February 10th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Joe from Long Island February 10th, 2011 at 10:41 am
    Chip – that’s not a bad looking team.

    It will be an interesting story as to what the Yanks wind up doing with Cervelli. If Montero starts the season at SWB, and things progress as everyone hopes, come June the Yanks will need to make a move with Cervelli. Depending on how he’s playing, he might trade places at SWB with Montero, and provide emergency catching insurance; or he might be part of a trade for a team needing to shore up it’s own catching.

    I think Cervelli is a good kid, and would miss him not playing on the Yanks, but, I don’t think he’s a long time player here.

    ——————

    Joe -

    I think Cervelli’s in Scranton by the All-Star Break at the latest.

  139. Mell February 10th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Wave:

    Don’t disagree with you, but I think his value goes up immensely if he shows he can demonstrate continued excellence for a second consecutive season. I think that would go a long ways towards alleviating concerns about his reliability and make him a more valuable commodity.

  140. Wave Your Hat February 10th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    “mlb had on a show about the 1986 season over the weekend. I didn’t watch the entire show, just had it on for background. And of course, the focus was the Mets winning the WS (how far they have fallen) and the Buckner error.”

    I was there that night, right behind first base. It looked like the Mets were cooked, I was worried the guy in the row in front of me was going to completely lose it. When the ball went through his legs it was perhaps the most unexpected thing I’ve personally witnessed in a ballpark.

  141. Chip February 10th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Cash Needs to Go

    I would give up a pretty significant package to get Jared Weaver – it would probably have to include Montero though.

  142. Patrick February 10th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    The only “b” I’d trade for Liriano is Brackman. Betances and Banuelos, no thanks.

  143. blake February 10th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Liriano is the Twins best pitcher and best equipped to win a playoff game and is only making 4.3 million this year…he is pretty close to free agency but I just don’t see why they’d deal him now unless he is either unhappy and has requested it…..or they get a bigtime return in prospects.

  144. upstate kate February 10th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    WYH
    wow, what a game to experience!

  145. Chip February 10th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    SJ44 February 10th, 2011 at 10:58 am
    The Angels are taking the stance they are for one reason……Scott Boras.

    Arte Moreno hates Boras so much, it has bled into their baseball ops and he is instructing his people to take the hardline.
    —————

    I think that’s the biggest reason that Soriano and/or Beltre are not Angles right now.

    It goes back to the Tex negotiations.

  146. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Fran the original February 10th, 2011 at 10:58 am
    GB,

    Actually,I was wondering how the muppets will eat all that delicious food.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Muppets are cannibals (little know fact). They’ll eat until they are stuffed.

  147. Cashman needs to go February 10th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Asd February 10th, 2011 at 11:00 am
    >Cashman needs to go February 10th, 2011 at 10:55 am
    also if the redsox defining moment is a negative one – wouldn’t bucky bleepin dent or aaron bleepin boone also be in the mix?

    You would think, but most memorable doesn’t mean which is most negative, most positive, or even which has the most impact. It’s just whatever sticks.

    ****************

    All i can say is i’m glad i’m not a redsox fan…..because there are alot more negative than positive memorable moments….well except for 2004 which is something i’m sure yankee fans don’t want to remember unfortunately…

  148. blake February 10th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Mell,

    Name the Ss’s with comparable numbers to Arod….or 3b for that matter. Again, Pujols is an all time great, Im not saying otherwise.

  149. Fran the original February 10th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    I think the Yankees have to consider Liriano if he’s available.Certainly an upgrade over Mitre.

  150. Chip February 10th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Potential Liriano deal:

    Nunez, Phelps, Brackman for Liriano.

  151. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Muppets are cannibals (little know fact). They?ll eat until they are stuffed.

    ***************************
    I laughed, but you still get one of these: :x

  152. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Erin February 10th, 2011 at 10:54 am
    GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 10:32 am
    The Top Chef show will specialize the different dishes of frog legs, fried chicken, ham and bear steaks.

    *****************************
    GB, you are SO funny.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    The thought of all of that food makes your mouth water, doesn’t it? Be honest, now.

  153. Patrick February 10th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Potential Liriano deal:

    Nunez, Phelps, Brackman for Liriano.

    I’d do that and I’m sure Cashman would as well but I see no reason why the Twins would agree to such a deal.

  154. Wave Your Hat February 10th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    “The only “b” I’d trade for Liriano is Brackman. Betances and Banuelos, no thanks.”

    Patrick, there’s no room for prospect hugging if a talent like Liriano is marketed. You just have to be glad if they don’t demand Montero.

  155. blake February 10th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    The first 7 or 8 seasons of Frank Thomas’s career weren’t all that different than the first 7 or 8 seasons of Albert’s.

  156. Mike Ri February 10th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    It’ll probably take Nunez to start …….. Plus a Yankee top 10 prospect and 2 more pospects in the 11-20 range.

  157. Chip February 10th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Patrick February 10th, 2011 at 11:10 am
    Potential Liriano deal:

    Nunez, Phelps, Brackman for Liriano.

    I’d do that and I’m sure Cashman would as well but I see no reason why the Twins would agree to such a deal.

    ————

    SS is a very weak spot for the Twins; Nunez is ready to go and makes no money – he would step into their lineup immediately.

    Phelps too could probably pitch for the Twins right now

    Brackman’s a high upside guy who could either be a stud in their rotation or possibly take over as the eventual closer of the team.

    Liriano’s good, very good, but he’s not elite and he has had arm problems. It seems reasonable to me given what the Brewers gave up for an actual elite pitcher in Greinke.

  158. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    The thought of all of that food makes your mouth water, doesn?t it? Be honest, now.

    ***************************
    LOL No comment.

    I’ve never had frogs legs though-Doc Hopper traumatized me. I’m told they taste a lot like chicken.

  159. Chip February 10th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Patrick February 10th, 2011 at 11:10 am
    Potential Liriano deal:

    Nunez, Phelps, Brackman for Liriano.

    I’d do that and I’m sure Cashman would as well but I see no reason why the Twins would agree to such a deal.

    ———–

    for what it’s worth I would also include Romine and/or Joba/Robertson if I had to and would even take back a contract if they wanted to move one – say Joe Nathan.

    But Nunez, Phelps, Brackman would be at least a starting point.

  160. Irreverent Discourse February 10th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    If you propose a deal, and anyone here says “they would do it”, you didnt give up enough.

  161. Bronx Jeers February 10th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    It takes a lot of cash these days to make somebody a “True Yankee”

  162. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    i dont move romine in a trade till i see jesus behind the plate in the majors.

    and i’m with partrick, the only B i give up for liriano is brackman

  163. Wave Your Hat February 10th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    “It takes a lot of cash these days to make somebody a “True Yankee””

    Well it’s an expensive lifestyle.

  164. Cashman needs to go February 10th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Chip February 10th, 2011 at 11:07 am
    SJ44 February 10th, 2011 at 10:58 am
    The Angels are taking the stance they are for one reason……Scott Boras.

    Arte Moreno hates Boras so much, it has bled into their baseball ops and he is instructing his people to take the hardline.
    —————

    I think that’s the biggest reason that Soriano and/or Beltre are not Angles right now.

    It goes back to the Tex negotiations
    **********************

    Weaver is a free agent after the 2012 season – i wonder if cashman makes a call to arte come june (if the angels are struggling) and takes advantage of moreno’s hatred for boras to try and get weaver….we all know weaver will not sign an extention and will definetely go to free agency (with boras as his agent) so moreno will get nothing but 2 draft choices – and we all know how much of a hit or miss draft choices are….

  165. Patrick February 10th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Patrick, there’s no room for prospect hugging if a talent like Liriano is marketed. You just have to be glad if they don’t demand Montero.

    That’s your opinion. In my opinion, Betances, Montero and Banuelos are untouchable unless the Yankees are getting back a proven superstar. Liriano is good but he has a lot of injury concerns.

  166. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    evan roberts is pretty good. i tune in to hear beningo (oh, the pain!) cry about the teams i hate, the mets and jets, but roberts can hold his own.

    hes a little rough in his delivery, but he is all over all the sports they cover and his opinions are solid.

  167. Wave Your Hat February 10th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    If the Twins called up Cashman and said give me Banuelos and I’ll give you Liriano, Banuelos would be saying adios to Los Yanquis.

  168. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    i dont move romine in a trade till i see jesus behind the plate in the majors.

    You’re gonna miss the boat on Romine and soon he won’t be behind the plate either. He has significant question marks.

  169. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    NYYs aren’t sending 4 top 20 from the farm system for Liriano….not with his history. He’s good…just not that dependable, health wise. As for his PS history, he is not that hot, regardless of what someone just said, limited as it may be.

  170. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    I would trade Romine before his value craters any further.

  171. Wave Your Hat February 10th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Patrick-

    Of course it’s my opinion and your opinion. What else could it be? :)

  172. MTU February 10th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    WYH-

    I think Cashman would swallow hard but he does it.

    And that’s the kind of thing I think it would take.

    I’m not sure i’d do it.

  173. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Patrick, there’s no room for prospect hugging if a talent like Liriano is marketed. You just have to be glad if they don’t demand Montero.

    ///
    we’re talking liriano here, not lee. they say montero and i laugh, they say banuelos, i chuckle.

  174. Irreverent Discourse February 10th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Is there some reason Romine’s value would be dropping?>

  175. Joe from Long Island February 10th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    1. If Moreno is letting his personal dislike of Scott Boras affect the operations of his baseball team, then that’s bad business. It’s bad business all by itself, number 1, and number 2 it takes them out of the market for an awful lot of good ballplayers. You have to keep things professional.

    2. Depending on how things play out with the Yankees and their several catchers, Cervelli might be a part that Minnesota would be interested in. I don’t know about Nunez and Brackman. The Yanks have a need for Nunez, unless Chavez shows he can still play, and Brackman has a ML deal and is represented by Boras. That might affect Minnesota’s interest in him.

    I don’t know why having TJ surgery, by itself, makes someone a continued injury risk. It’s supposed to have a very good track record of players recovering from it. If anything, I might expect Liriano to continue to improve as he gets farther away from it.

  176. Patrick February 10th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    If the Twins called up Cashman and said give me Banuelos and I’ll give you Liriano, Banuelos would be saying adios to Los Yanquis.

    I wouldn’t do that deal, even straight up

  177. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    romine had a tough year last year so his value has already declined. a good start to this year and it goes back up.

    however, there are legit questions about jesus behind the plate, so i think until he shows himself to be a solid major league catcher, you dont move romine.

  178. Mike Ri February 10th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    NYYs aren?t sending 4 top 20 from the farm system for Liriano?.not with his history. He?s good?just not that dependable, health wise. As for his PS history, he is not that hot, regardless of what someone just said, limited as it may be.

    ————
    GB-

    Liriano is a 27 yr old stud (yes, 9.4 K/9, 0.4 HR/9 and 2.7BB/9 is a stud) LHP with 2 years of control left

  179. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    eboland11 Sun is out and so is Jeter, throwing in OF

  180. Wave Your Hat February 10th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Liriano could be the piece that wins a WS in 2011. That is worth a lot.

  181. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Erin February 10th, 2011 at 11:14 am
    GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    The thought of all of that food makes your mouth water, doesn?t it? Be honest, now.

    ***************************
    LOL No comment.

    I’ve never had frogs legs though-Doc Hopper traumatized me. I’m told they taste a lot like chicken.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    LMAO. Everything tastes like chicken..even gators. Understandable since they are all new age dinosaurs of some sort.

  182. Wave Your Hat February 10th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Banuelos is where Joba was, about where Phil was. How’s Joba working out? And how long did it take Phil? Just sayin.

  183. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Mike Ri February 10th, 2011 at 11:25 am
    NYYs aren?t sending 4 top 20 from the farm system for Liriano?.not with his history. He?s good?just not that dependable, health wise. As for his PS history, he is not that hot, regardless of what someone just said, limited as it may be.

    ————
    GB-

    Liriano is a 27 yr old stud (yes, 9.4 K/9, 0.4 HR/9 and 2.7BB/9 is a stud) LHP with 2 years of control left

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    One and a half years doesn’t make him a “stud”. Just very good if he stays healthy.

  184. blake February 10th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    I think it would be tough to trade Baneulos for Liriano with his injury history and with him being so close to free agency. I wouldn’t do it.

  185. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Is there some reason Romine’s value would be dropping?>

    His bat isn’t as good as it looked while he was in low A, from a results or potential stand point (no longer plus power potential). He lacks plate discipline and strikes out a lot while not hitting for a high average. I think he will still be average to above average overall with the stick in the majors but here is where I see his value dropping:

    Romine is not a very good catcher. He has the tools to be successful but his plus defensive potential is still just potential. Its all predicated on him ‘figuring it out’, and I am not certain how he will figure that out. He doesn’t have good CS%, he has trouble catching the baseball, and he still has problems with catcher’s interference.

    I saw it in Tampa, and the futures game, and then scouts are saying the same thing.

    I don’t think he is a sure thing to be the Yankees catcher of the future, and I’d trade him while he still has value as a catcher going forward.

  186. Patrick February 10th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Banuelos is where Joba was, about where Phil was. How’s Joba working out? And how long did it take Phil? Just sayin.

    Banuelos will be in the starting rotation April 2012. He has ace upside. That’s not a guy I trade unless I’m getting a proven superstar, something Liriano is not.

  187. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    LMAO. Everything tastes like chicken..even gators. Understandable since they are all new age dinosaurs of some sort.

    ***********************************
    LOL The gators reminds me-when I was in high school I worked at a grocery store and one weekend they had a huge meat sale and had alligator meat. I don’t think they sold much of it but we were just fascinated that they had alligator. ;)

  188. blake February 10th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Wave,

    How well would the Santana trade have worked out?

  189. Bronx Jeers February 10th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    eboland11 Sun is out and so is Jeter, throwing in OF

    —————————————————————————

    Derek’s in the outfield ?

    Oooh that’s juicy ! :wink:

  190. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    TylerKepner Just read that the Blue Jays’ spring park is now “Florida Auto Exchange Stadium.” Is that the worst sponsor-named stadium? Gotta be, right?

  191. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    however, there are legit questions about jesus behind the plate, so i think until he shows himself to be a solid major league catcher, you dont move romine.

    There are legit questions about Romine behind the plate, and not moving him because of Montero is short sighted. How about Romine proves he is a solid major league catcher before worrying about Montero doing it? He only has the potential to be one right now, which isn’t insurance for Montero.

  192. West Coast Yankee Fan February 10th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    I think fans sometimes tend to overvalue their prospects who haven’t played in the show; Liriano is a very good, proven, 26 year old left-hander and would be a great addition to a severely challenged Yankee rotation.

  193. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Bronx Jeers- AnthonyMcCarron Jeter throwing in the outfield. As in playing catch, not preparing to be an OFer.

    :)

  194. Chip February 10th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Irreverent Discourse February 10th, 2011 at 11:23 am
    Is there some reason Romine’s value would be dropping?>

    ——————

    He didn’t have a particularly good year behind the plate. Isn’t nearly the power prospect Montero is.

    There are at least a few people who believe it’s a matter of time before he’s passed by Murphy and certainly by Sanchez.

  195. Chip February 10th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Cashman needs to go February 10th, 2011 at 11:18 am
    Chip February 10th, 2011 at 11:07 am
    SJ44 February 10th, 2011 at 10:58 am
    The Angels are taking the stance they are for one reason……Scott Boras.

    Arte Moreno hates Boras so much, it has bled into their baseball ops and he is instructing his people to take the hardline.
    —————

    I think that’s the biggest reason that Soriano and/or Beltre are not Angles right now.

    It goes back to the Tex negotiations
    **********************

    Weaver is a free agent after the 2012 season – i wonder if cashman makes a call to arte come june (if the angels are struggling) and takes advantage of moreno’s hatred for boras to try and get weaver….we all know weaver will not sign an extention and will definetely go to free agency (with boras as his agent) so moreno will get nothing but 2 draft choices – and we all know how much of a hit or miss draft choices are….

    —————–

    I think the Yankees would ask – I don’t think a deal would be reached.

  196. Mike Ri February 10th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    I think fans sometimes tend to overvalue their prospects who haven?t played in the show; Liriano is a very good, proven, 26 year old left-hander and would be a great addition to a severely challenged Yankee rotation.
    ———-

    I agree ! .. I just have the feeling no matter who the pitcher is . Josh Johnson. King Felix . Cy Young , Tom Seaver. Some on here would be hesitant to trade for them. We can’t keep all our prospects.

  197. Cashmoney February 10th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    it’s a matter of time before he’s passed by Murphy and certainly by Sanchez.
    ————-
    Can we have sanchez or murphy get to high A before making such claims?

  198. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 11:25 am
    romine had a tough year last year so his value has already declined. a good start to this year and it goes back up.

    however, there are legit questions about jesus behind the plate, so i think until he shows himself to be a solid major league catcher, you dont move romine.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Romine’s defense isn’t any better than Montero’s but, he’s young and it should improve. He’s no wunderkind behind the plate.

  199. Chip February 10th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    blake February 10th, 2011 at 11:28 am
    I think it would be tough to trade Baneulos for Liriano with his injury history and with him being so close to free agency. I wouldn’t do it.

    ————–

    I tend to agree.

    As I said:

    Nunez, Romine, Phelps, Brackman for Liriano and a contract they would like to unload I think is a fair price to pay.

  200. Rich in NJ February 10th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    “I think it would be insane to trade Baneulos for Liriano with his injury history and with him being so close to free agency. I wouldn’t do it.”

    Fixed.

  201. Chip February 10th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Cashmoney February 10th, 2011 at 11:35 am
    it’s a matter of time before he’s passed by Murphy and certainly by Sanchez.
    ————-
    Can we have sanchez or murphy get to high A before making such claims?

    —————

    Absolutely.

    The point though is that Romine’s not terribly good behind the plate. So if the Yankees are going to have an average to subaverage defender behind the dish for the near future it might as well be the guy with the superior bat.

  202. 108 stitches February 10th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    If in fact Liriano is to be made available, it won’t be until both the Yankees and Twins see what their needs will be around March 20.
    Liriano doesn’t warrant some of the talent talked about here. For example, Nunez and Brackman are in Yankee plans for this year. You don’t even mention Banuelos, Betances, Montero or Gary Sanchez unless a King Felix becomes a seriously discussed deal.

    http://twins.mlb.com/team/play....._id=434538

  203. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    every time a guy puts on a glove and warms up at a position different from thier position, people start speculating.

    jeter’s not practicing as an OF, he’s just taking some fly balls. cervelli isnt working at 3b to spell arod, he’s just taking grounders.

    if tex winds up and throws a heater, it doesnt mean he’s thinking of a spot in the BP.

  204. Bronx Jeers February 10th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Erin,

    McCarron’s a partypooper.

  205. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    AnthonyMcCarron Russell Martin was just doing some light catching work with Rob Thomson here in Tampa.

  206. blake February 10th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    The Yankees didn’t trade Hughes for Santana and that turned out to be a good decision…..can’t see them trading a guy with similar or higher upside for Liriano, especially when he’s not nearly as good as Johan was at the time.

  207. Cashmoney February 10th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    why would liriano be available? Money?

  208. SJ44 February 10th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    I don’t think Cashman would trade Banuelos for Liriano.

    Banuelos is one of the top 3 LH starting prospects in baseball.

    He’s not even 20 yet, no surgeries on his arm, no attitude issues.

    Liriano is a good, not great pitcher, with a significant injury, including 2 TJ surgeries.

    I think Cashman would be very leery about including Banuelos in that deal.

    Especially since he has enough parts/options to do a Liriano deal without putting Banuelos into it.

  209. Cashman needs to go February 10th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Weaver is a free agent after the 2012 season – i wonder if cashman makes a call to arte come june (if the angels are struggling) and takes advantage of moreno’s hatred for boras to try and get weaver….we all know weaver will not sign an extention and will definetely go to free agency (with boras as his agent) so moreno will get nothing but 2 draft choices – and we all know how much of a hit or miss draft choices are….

    —————–

    I think the Yankees would ask – I don’t think a deal would be reached.

    **********************************

    Persistence my boy…..look at how many times the redsox asked for adrian gonzalez before they finally got him…..oh and it won’t hurt if we transplant hank steinbrenner’s brain into arte moreno’s head (sort of like what the redsox did when jed hoyer went to the padres so they could become the redsox’s AAAA farm team…)

  210. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    ok this guy proposes gardner and no big prospect for liraino (on wfan)

    thats a joke, right?

  211. Chip February 10th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Interesting proposal by a guy on WFAN right now:

    Gardner, Nunez, and a reliever (Joba?) for Liriano and Cuddyer or Kubel

  212. Patrick February 10th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    why would liriano be available? Money?

    That’s my question… i see no reason the Twins would trade him this year.

  213. blake February 10th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Rich,

    Lol..

  214. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Erin February 10th, 2011 at 11:29 am
    GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    LMAO. Everything tastes like chicken..even gators. Understandable since they are all new age dinosaurs of some sort.

    ***********************************
    LOL The gators reminds me-when I was in high school I worked at a grocery store and one weekend they had a huge meat sale and had alligator meat. I don’t think they sold much of it but we were just fascinated that they had alligator.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    gator really is good, like iguana….no, not Doreen’s new non-car. Rattlesnake is exceptional, too. I don’t recommend spiders like granddaddy long legs, though. not until you pull the legs off, because they get caught in your throat.

  215. Chip February 10th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    blake February 10th, 2011 at 11:39 am
    The Yankees didn’t trade Hughes for Santana and that turned out to be a good decision…..can’t see them trading a guy with similar or higher upside for Liriano, especially when he’s not nearly as good as Johan was at the time.

    ————-

    On the flip side they didn’t trade Joba for Haren and that turned out to be a poor decision.

  216. Asd February 10th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    So, I’m the only one who got that the “juicy” remark was a joke? I’m sure no one here thinks for a fact that Jeter being in the outfield means he’s moving to the outfield.

  217. Patrick February 10th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Interesting proposal by a guy on WFAN right now:

    Gardner, Nunez, and a reliever (Joba?) for Liriano and Cuddyer or Kubel

    That is laughable from the Twins point of view.

  218. blake February 10th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Patrick.,

    I don’t either unless a big package would be coming back….at the deadline or next year maybe.

  219. Patrick February 10th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    On the flip side they didn’t trade Joba for Haren and that turned out to be a poor decision.

    Pretty sure the D-backs wanted Montero back…

  220. Ys Guy February 10th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    yes, brackman is in the yankees plans this year, but if he was moved in a trade for liriano, then liriano would be in thier plans and brackman would be in the twins plans.

    that does not in any way preclude trading brackman

  221. Jerkface February 10th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Pretty sure the D-backs wanted Montero back…

    Rumors at the time, Zach McCallister, Nova, + , and the hold up was Joba

  222. blake February 10th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Chip,

    We don’t know that Arizona wanted Joba.

  223. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    gator really is good, like iguana?.no, not Doreen?s new non-car. Rattlesnake is exceptional, too. I don?t recommend spiders like granddaddy long legs, though. not until you pull the legs off, because they get caught in your throat.

    **************************
    Thank you, GB-I’ve now lost my appetite. ;)

  224. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    I don’t think you’ll ever see Murphy catching for the Yankees other than an emergency. he’s not that good. he’s got a great bat, though. I’m betting a corner outfield spot is in his future.

  225. Erin February 10th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    New Post: Should they stay or should they go?

    :arrow:

  226. Mike Ri February 10th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    NEW THREAD —————->

  227. GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Erin February 10th, 2011 at 11:44 am
    GreenBeret7 February 10th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    gator really is good, like iguana?.no, not Doreen?s new non-car. Rattlesnake is exceptional, too. I don?t recommend spiders like granddaddy long legs, though. not until you pull the legs off, because they get caught in your throat.

    **************************
    Thank you, GB-I’ve now lost my appetite.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    This talk really helps if you’re on a diet, huh?

  228. SJ44 February 10th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Banuelos isn’t where Joba was at all.

    When Joba was 19, he was 300 lbs, and in CC trying to get his eligibility back to attend Nebraska.

    Banuelos at 19 is one of the best LH starting pitching prospects in baseball.

    The two aren’t remotely comparable.

    A’s pitchers, they are also different.

    Manny already has 3 consistent pitches, including one of the best changeups anywhere, and no injury history.

    The only thing he doesn’t have is innings.

    It’s not a question of “overvaluing” prospects.

    It’s a question of looking at ALL sides of a deal and not just a name to determine whether or not a deal should be made.

  229. West Coast Yankee Fan February 10th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Hindsight is 20-20. No one knew that Santana would get hurt, no one knows what Liriano’s future will be, no one knew that Joba’s value would drop so precipitously. Banuelos might blow out his arm game one. That’s baseball and the luck of the draw.

  230. Chip February 10th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Patrick February 10th, 2011 at 11:41 am
    why would liriano be available? Money?

    That’s my question… i see no reason the Twins would trade him this year.

    ———————-

    They may not want to put themselves in the same situation they were in with Johan, where everyone knew they HAD to deal the guy and so rather than getting the package they wanted they got scraps from the Mets.

  231. West Coast Yankee Fan February 10th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    The Twins would consider trading Liriano at some point this year because he’s a free-agent after 2012 and it appears that they aren’t in favor of signing him to a long-term expensive extension.

  232. sommerjd February 10th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    What happens when the Core 4 are gone? It’ll be the Core 2 next year, but those two are quite different stories. Rivera is simply irreplaceable on the field, the single most significant player of the past 15 years in MLB in his impact as a closer. The team will find other closers and move ahead.

    But it’s replacing Jeter that’s the bigger deal and not because of his on-field contributions. To this generation of Yankees, he’s Donnie Baseball again, the true “straw” that stirs the drink. The testimonials from teammates, managers, coaches, and other players are endless about his professionalism and approach to the game. That defines him, but it has come to define the team, much the way Mattingly’s approach defined the teams of his era. I suspect that CC brings that same approach, but he’s not an everyday guy.

    So I’ll be curious to see who takes the torch from Jeter not as shortstop or official captain but as the unofficial heart, soul, and conscience of the team.

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