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Pinch hitting: Ben Farber

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Ben Farber is next up in our Pinch Hitters series. He’s a 17-year-old high school junior who lives in New York City, and he said his favorite Yankees moment was, in his words, “Suzyn Waldman’s infamous Roger Clemens freakout.” Ben plays high school baseball and coaches Little Leaguers. He’s a bit of an island at home, living in a family of Mets fans.

For his guest post, Ben looked back to the post-2000 Yankees with hopes that the post-2009 Yankees aren’t following the same formula.

It was Thursday, October 26, 2000. As the Shea Stadium clocks closed in on midnight, Mariano Rivera closed the door on the New York Mets. The defending world champion Yankees poured out of the dugout and amassed in the middle of the infield, whooping and leaping in the air like giddy children on Christmas morning. As if they hadn’t done this before.

For nearly a half-decade, baseball’s regular season proved trivial. No matter who won each division, or who piled up the most regular-season wins, fans of all teams could be assured of one thing: October belonged to the Bronx Bombers. Like death and paying taxes, another banner to hang in the House That Ruth Built seemed inevitable. While a champagne-soaked George Steinbrenner stood in the cramped Shea clubhouse accepting the Commissioner’s Trophy for what seemed to the rest of the world like the hundredth time in a row, I lay restless in bed, an exultant first grader, wondering how much longer my pinstriped idols could keep their streak of championships alive.

Let’s fast-forward a bit, say, eight years. After wading through all the Carl Pavanos and the Kevin Browns, the Yankees finally bottomed out (as much as any team with a $200-million payroll is capable of, anyway), and brought the unthinkable to fans: Failure to reach the postseason. For the first time in my life, there would be no October nights in the Bronx; no bunting strewn from any of the Stadium’s three levels; and the walls of the home clubhouse would be conspicuously free of any adult beverage. On Sunday, September 21, 2008, as Derek Jeter — the only Yankee captain I’ve ever known — bade the Yankee Stadium faithful farewell, I began to feel the familiar sinking feeling. Even though our season was not officially over, I knew that 2008 would be like all the rest — a year of premature conclusions.

Ever since that magical first year in 2000, the only Yankee teams I had experienced were teams of repetitive failure. Usually predicted to represent the American League in the Fall Classic, they consistently fell short, and the two times they did make it to the Series, the playoffs ended in heartbreak. First-round exits, World Series losses and 2004: These were not the dynasty teams of my infancy. No, instead these teams were sloppy menageries of high-priced, aging malcontents. These were teams that rolled through the regular season, only to have an inferior Angels or Tigers team clean their clocks in the first round.

For an organization with a “World Series or bust,” attitude, the Yankees embarrassed themselves. Year after year, they led themselves and their fans to the precipice of victory, only to snatch from it gut-wrenching, heart-numbing defeat. The Yankees needed an overhaul, and 2008 made that abundantly clear.

Wednesday, November 4, 2009. The Yankees were back on top where they belonged. As Mark Teixeira squeezed the final out in his glove, I lept off my couch and shouted for joy, thrusting a triumphant fist in the air. For I, as well as every other teenage Yankee fan coming of age in the aftermath of the Yankee dynasty, had been vindicated. Years of shortcomings and crushed expectations were washed away by the mixture of tears, sweat and champagne streaming down the faces of the 25 men clad in world champion t-shirts. Finally — and for the first time I could appreciate — we were on top again.

Friday, October 22, 2010 brought every Yankee fan still riding high from the previous year back to earth.

The Yankees had been overmatched in the ALCS by a tougher, scrappier Rangers team. Not only that, but their upcoming offseason was filled with more uncertainty than in years past. Although they quickly locked up Jeter and Rivera, the Yankees found themselves faced with similar challenges to the ones that presented themselves at the end of the last dynasty. The aging and eventual retirement of key veterans (David Cone and Paul O’Neill in 2000 and 2001, Andy Pettitte and possibly Jorge Posada now) has been an issue then and now. Ten years ago, the Yankees combated that issue by reeling in the offseason’s biggest fish: Mike Mussina and Jason Giambi. Brian Cashman tried a similar strategy this year, but Cliff Lee didn’t cooperate.

So now what? Can AJ Burnett be fixed? Can A-Rod and Posada stay healthy? Can this team please, for the love of Bubba Crosby, come up with some starting pitching depth? Those questions will resolve themselves eventually, but until then, let’s have some patience, okay?

Sure, it would have been exciting to snag Carl Crawford this winter, or trade Jesus Montero for Lee last summer, but if the last few years have taught us anything, moves made out of restlessness and desperation are not the answer. The latest generation of Yankees fans has grown up with teams built from those sort of moves, and as we’ve seen, teams don’t win with reactionary additions.

So Brian Cashman, I implore you: Stick to your guns. Stay patient. No need to splurge on guys who have bad attitudes, are past their prime, or provide only marginal upgrades. Keep focusing on the farm system. I know you want to see the Killer B’s on the mound in the Bronx as much as I do. If Lee doesn’t want to come here, let’s find someone who does. But most of all, don’t force it. Stay patient and good things will happen. Let’s have the post-2009 years go a little smoother than the post-2000 years, all right? We believe in you, and we believe in this organization. Now let’s be smart.

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164 Responses to “Pinch hitting: Ben Farber”

  1. MTU February 12th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Ben. Excellent post. Are you sure you’re 17 ?

    You’re wise beyond your years.

    And it’s obvious you’re intelligent.

    You’re the only Yanks fan in your Family.

    :)

  2. SAS February 12th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Hi MTU,

    I missed you during the conversation last night which I briefly described in the last thread.

    Hope all has been well to the north of me.

  3. 108 stitches February 12th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Albert Pujols may be doing the Yankees a favor by waiting out the season before making a decision on his status which may be staying in St. Louis anyway. Matt Holliday has offered to defer some money in order to keep Pujols as a teammate.
    This can cause Adrian Gonzalez and his agent to re-think signing long term in Boston until they see what Pujols will get. He also won’t be giving a discount such as Pedroia, Youkilis, and Lester did knowing full well that Drew and Ortiz money will be off the books after 2011.

  4. tyanksfan36 February 12th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    MTU

    I should slip him a bottle of Boones Farm.

  5. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Albert Pujols may be doing the Yankees a favor by waiting out the season before making a decision on his status which may be staying in St. Louis anyway. Matt Holliday has offered to defer some money in order to keep Pujols as a teammate.
    This can cause Adrian Gonzalez and his agent to re-think signing long term in Boston until they see what Pujols will get. He also won’t be giving a discount such as Pedroia, Youkilis, and Lester did knowing full well that Drew and Ortiz money will be off the books after 2011.

    ////

    yeah, except if gonzo doesnt sign, the bosox can just sign albert, and that would NOT be doing the yankees a favor.

  6. MTU February 12th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    SAS-

    This is the West.

    We know how to deal with dead horses.

    Things here weatherwise are (said quietly) beautiful.

    I’d expect the same for you ?

    How’s ole’ leadfoot doin’ ?

    :)

  7. Doreen February 12th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    I’m sorry. I can’t relate to going to the post-season every year except for 2008, including getting to the WS in 2001 and 2003, having the best or second best record in the regular season most years, as being a failure.

    And in 2008, they were only a few games off the pace. it took an historic year by the Rays, along with devastating injuries to Wang, Posada and Matsui to unseat them.

    ***

    Oh, good morning, morning people. :)

  8. MTU February 12th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    TY-

    Yup. That would work. Just don’t spend too much.

    ;)

  9. Doreen February 12th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    But, Ben, I do agree with the last few paragraphs regarding Cashman and his program of patience.

  10. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    good job, very well written ben!

    i would disagree that yankees teams from 01-08 ‘embarrased themselves’ but i guess if your scale starts in the end of the 90′s it looks that way.

    i became a fan in 1964,just in time to see the team really embarrass themselves. and everybody who was around when stump merrill and dallas green were here know embarrasment. 01-08 were not an embarrasment.

    the only good thing about those periods….plenty of good seats avaliable!

  11. Doreen February 12th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Well, spring training must have officially begun. Curtis Granderson had a post on facebook letting all his followers know that he won’t be posting much anymore:

    “Hello fans. Now that season is getting underway for me, I won’t be posting as much on Facebook and Twitter. You will know my daily whereabouts already, and my life becomes pretty boring to others during baseball season, though for me it’s the most fun I could possibly have…”

    :)

  12. MTU February 12th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Doreen-

    Bummer.

    No more Western Union “Grandygrams”.

    :(

  13. BIG AL February 12th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    MTU -

    The starting 2012 line-up:

    Jeter – SS
    Cano – 2B
    Pujols – 1B/DH
    A-Rod – 3B
    Tex – DH/1B
    Montero – C
    Swisher – RF
    Granderson -CF
    Gardner – LF

    And the Killer “B’s” come of age!

  14. ericns1 February 12th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    A well written post – sometimes there are no moves to make and we have to be patient.

  15. blake February 12th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    The last paragraph sums up nicely. Good major league team and #4 farm system loaded with starting pitching……things could be much worse.

  16. Doreen February 12th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Big Al -

    I don’t think the Yankees are going to carry both Tex and Albert. I mean, I’d be really surprised at that.

  17. MTU February 12th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Al-

    Please. Contain yourself.

    You’re scarin’ me.

    :)

  18. BIG AL February 12th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Good job Ben, well written.

  19. SAS February 12th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Doreen,

    What Granderson doesn’t understand is that we are interested in those little nuggets.

    BTW, Good morning.

  20. blake February 12th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    If Pujols does in fact hit free agency then I don’t think the Yanks “will be out on him” as others are predicitng either.

  21. BIG AL February 12th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Doreen -

    Why not become the Bronx Bombers for real!

  22. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    i remember when charlie hayes caught that foulout to win the ’96 series i was in a bar and i raised my glass and made a toast to all the fans who i’d spend time with in a nearly empty YS watching the likes of jesse barfield, oscar azocar and, tragically don mattingly stumble through another truly embarasing season.

    some day this may happen again and it always separates the wheat from the chaff. but i can tell you as one who has lived through a couple of those periods, that there is NOTHING like the vindication you feel when you’ve stuck by your lousy, embarrasing team through its truly horrible times and stuck around to see them climb all the way back up!

    i’ve seen my boys win the WS 7 times but nothing will ever compare to ’96

  23. Fran the original February 12th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Ben, nice job. Well written.

    ***************
    Doreen, did you get to the DVR of “Say Yes to the Dress” yet? I watched it again. Those Yankee wives are pushy ;)

  24. SAS February 12th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    MTU,

    I try not to say too much about the weather here. I am going home a week from Thursday to see the kids. I miss the little one mucho.

  25. pat February 12th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Good morning.

    As long as the effort is there, I don’t consider not winning an embarrassment but this blog has taught me is there are others with a different mindset about that.

  26. Doreen February 12th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    SAS -

    Good morning. I will miss Grandy’s tidbits on Facebook. :)

    Fran -

    I did DVR it. I’ll watch it during the week – my husband will we away M-W, so I’ll have time to watch things he wouldn’t want to. :)

    Big Al/blake -

    I just can’t wrap my head around the Yankees making a push for Pujols. :?

  27. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    wouldnt it be awesome if somehow the metsies could get albert and you could just flip over to sny during yes commercials and see him at the plate with 2 on?

  28. BIG AL February 12th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Winter has come to an end here in NC. Each day is getting warmer, upper 50′s to low 60′s last week, and next week we could see some lower 70′s.

    ST, the start of the season, and the reason to rejoice!

  29. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    al’s got me fired up for the annual march golf trip to ocean city!

  30. BIG AL February 12th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Doreen -

    There will be no good pitching FA’s on the market, we’ll have lower cost ST coming very soon, so why not make a big splash in the FA market going after Albert.

    Back in a bit, the babies want to go for a walk.

  31. Rich in NJ February 12th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Some people on this blog tend to criticize those who want a greater emphasis on prospect development, but if you really want Pujols on this team while they are still paying Teix major money, keeping and utilizing Montero and all of the Killer Bs would make that a lot more financially feasible.

  32. MTU February 12th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    SAS-

    Still a chance to convince GB how lucky he would be to hook the two little ones up.

    Enjoy that visit.

    I will be doin’ some travelin’ of my own.

    Heading down to do those hikes I you about in the Tucson area.

    Really looking forward to it.

    :)

  33. 86w183 February 12th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    YS guy…

    My earliest Yankees moment was also in 1964, crying at the age of 6 because they lost the World Series.

    Must be why the spoiled younger fans tend to annoy me. I am happy with any season that involves post-season player. Happier with any season that includes winning one post-season series, thrilled with any season that includes a pennant and ecstatic with winning it all.

    I was at Mickey Mantle’s last game in the Stadium in 1968 and there could not have been more than 3,000 or so in there.

    On another topic, the only way they can be players for Pujols is if he or Tex agree to DH or some system of sharing 1B/DH and that seems unlikely. Better for baseball that he stays in St. Louis as far as I’m concerned.

  34. blake February 12th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Doreen,
    I don’t know how it would work or if it could work but he’s just too good to not consider if he’s ever available. I think he will stay in St. louis in the end…..even if the deal gets done next winter. If im the Cardinals then I want to make sure there actually is a 10/275 market for him before I give him that and im just not sure there will be…….if he were 26 or 27 then absolutely but not at his age.

  35. Doreen February 12th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Getting Pujols smacks of the Giambi deal. It wasn’t necessary.

    I don’t believe in “we’ll make him fit.” It just feels wrong.

  36. SAS February 12th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Big Al,

    We have a wonderful first baseman who is in his prime. We don’t need a team of all All Stars. Just check the years the Yankees won it all. Pujols will ask the sun, moon and stars from the Yankees, and he will get the sun and moon from another team. I am happy with the infielders we have; we don’t need another aging star.

  37. pat February 12th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Fran

    I saw parts of the Yankee wives last night and the wife who wasn’t CC or AJs and I would have a hard time making it through a season without me slapping her. Whose wife was that?

    Also, not once since I’ve been a Yankee fan have I considered emulating what a Yankee wife wears or considered them “fashion icons” so what was that all about.

  38. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    86 i always marvel when they show that shot of maris’s 61st homer in a half empty YS. can you imagine the scalping price for a ticket if the same thing was going on today?

  39. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    in the abstract, everybody wants pujols, but when it gets down to brass-tacks (dollars and years actually) i definity dont want to see the yankees paying another guy into his 40′s. im afraid we could be watching old timer’s day every day if we keep signing people like that.

  40. SAS February 12th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    pat,

    What show were you watching that had the Yankees’ wives?

  41. blake February 12th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Rich,

    Yes it would.

  42. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    there are only 3 yankees wives i could pick out of a photo lineup if i had to:
    diane munson, marilyn monroe and claire ruth, who used to come to otd when i was a kid.

  43. G. Love February 12th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Ben,

    The only problem with your post is the restlessness and desperation that led to Cashman throwing a Brinks trunk at CC, AJ and Tex sort of led to a World Series title.

    A little impatience and risk taking sometimes yields a winner.

    KC and the Pirates sure are patient teams who draft at the top draft every single season.

    When’s the last time they even sniffed the post season?

  44. MTU February 12th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Rich/blake-

    I hope the Yankees get a good long look at Jesus and the B’s before they would even consider parting with them for a guy like Liriano.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’d like to have him but not for those pieces.

  45. blake February 12th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    I don’t think the Yankees would give Pujols a 10 year deal. If they got involved at all my guess is that it would be a really high AAV 6 or 7 year offer. Again, its unlikely and he will probably stay in St. Louis…….he is one of the greatest hitters ever though and he, Jeter, and Alex on the same club would mean a ratings bonanza for YES.

  46. blake February 12th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    MTU,

    no way Id part with Montero, Banuelos, or Betances for Liriano. Too much risk, too little track record, and too close to free agency. If a deal could be made with anyone else……Id listen bit seeing as how the Twins really don’t have to deal him now I find that unlikely.

  47. Doreen February 12th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    YES already is a ratings bonanza and it has more to do with winning games than who is playing, IMO.

  48. hardwired7 February 12th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    I paid $300 for a ticket to Game 5 in 2000. Best money I ever spent.

    After the game, my friends and I went down to 3rd base dugout where the Yanks were celebrating. 20 ft away from Steinbrenner, Jeter, Mayor Guliani et. al. passing around and holding up the trophy. Just amazing.

    I remember seeing Paul O’Neill and his family having an impromptu picnic in left field at 1:00 in the morning. It was all just surreal.

  49. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    blake ,i think the cards are already in that ballpark. i believe its years more than aav that separates them.

  50. West Coast Yankee Fan February 12th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Comparing Giambi and Pujols?

  51. Fran the original February 12th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Pat, shw was annoying. Probably a wife of a player from another team :) Her last name was Neal I think.

    The bathroom scene was the funniest to me.

  52. Against All Odds February 12th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Billy Eppler will be on WFAN this morning

  53. MTU February 12th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Blake-

    I agree. I don’t think the Twins are under any pressure to deal him right now.

    I think they would have to be bowled over, and I’m not sure we could do that with our secondary pieces.

    I do hope that Cashman is monitoring the situation though.

    ;)

  54. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    i’d say theres a pretty good concensus here that anything except banuelor or jesus would do for liriano. dellin bettances seems to be the tipping point.

  55. Doreen February 12th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    WCYF -

    In the sense of making an unnecessary move, yes.

  56. G. Love February 12th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    blake,

    I agree with you. I think if the Yankees dip their toe in the Pujols waters they’ll offer him the 8 years 240 million type of deal. They’ll go highest annual salary ever but I don’t think they’ll offer to pay him into his 40′s.

    I do think the Yankees and the Red Sox will be in on this guy if he makes it to free agency. You think the Red Sox wouldn’t like to have him and Gonzlaez bat back to back and forge a new Manny/Ortiz that won them 2 titles?

    He’s a huge star/baseball legend making records and will mean a lot to TV ratings.

    We saw what the Red Sox went and did this off season when their TV ratings went down.

    With Jeter, Posada, Arod, Mo getting older, the Yankees might want to build around a new established star to protect the brand investment.

    Again, this isn’t Sheffield. This guy is the unquestioned best player in the game who has a sterling reputation.

    I do think the Cardinals will cave in and resign him. They have to.

  57. Cashmoney February 12th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Patience is the way to go in regard to this season. Time enough for Cashman to identify whom to keep or trade. Time for the prospects to test their craft in the high minors. Time for the trade market to heat up. I am happy that the NYY has once again put out a highly competitive team and looking forward to some potential graduation of talents from the farm. All of which takes time. With a barren FA and trade market it is the only way to go.

  58. Fran the original February 12th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    SAS, we are talking about an episode of “Say Yes to the Dress”. Chad Gaudin’s fiancee went gown shopping with some Yankees wives (CC and AJs)

  59. Crawdaddy February 12th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    The Red Sox aren’t paying AGon 20+M per year then turn around and pay Pujols 30M per year.

  60. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    how much pressure can the twins be under to move liriano now? he will have more value at the trade deadline and the twins have 3 SPs who are young and there should be an option or two left there.

    the only reason they could have to get rid of him so quickly would be if they are very worried about him being injured again, another reason not to jump in too quickly.

    im not saying not to go after him but there is no hurry. and if the twins dont let you do a very extensive physical and review of his medical records, you walk away.

  61. blake February 12th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Doreen,

    Yea it is…..its both though I think to extent. Star power + winning equals the biggest ratings.

  62. Cashmoney February 12th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Doreen, agree. Winning is the best draw in most cases, certainly in NY IMO.

  63. G. Love February 12th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    As someone who believes in trading prospects for established stars, I would not trade any of the guys rated in the top 100 (Montero, Banuelos, Sanchez, Betances) for Liriano.

    I don’t feel confident he’s the piece worth gutting the top of the system for. Someone better will become available this season. It always happens. I still think that if the Mariners stink, Felix is going to try to force his way out of there.

    I would deal Brackman for him though because he’s 25. If Brackman and Romine and some other prospects can get Liriano, I’m in. But I’m not letting the Twins fleece us for a pitcher who doesn’t inspire my confidence.

  64. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    agon has not signed an extension yet. the socks are free to upgrade to pujols if he doesnt sign one. thats why im hoping the cards ‘git er dun’

  65. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    the yankees went to the WS 6 times in 8 seasons and then the got arod and the ratings shot up.

  66. G. Love February 12th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Crawdaddy,

    Before this season did you think the Red Sox would pay Carl Crawford 20 plus million for 7 years?

    They have tons of money. They learned last year star players make people watch their games. When their TV ratings plummeted and Boston people did other things besides obsess over baseball they quickly went out of their way to fix that.

    I wouldn’t be surprised for a second if they attempted to sign Pujols even if they have Gonzalez locked up. Their starting pitching is locked up for years and they have 38 million coming off their payroll in Ortiz, Drew and Papelbum after next season. Even more when you factor in Cameron.

    Still think they wouldn’t go there for Albert with over 40 million coming off the books and their starting rotation all under contract next year?

  67. blake February 12th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    As Rich poined out earlier if the Yanks are able fill their catching position and a large portion of their rotation from.within then they may have more leeway to sign the very best players and still stay within a reasonable payroll range. Its just incredibly important that they are developing players again…….

  68. Cashmoney February 12th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    I would imaging the RS will try their earnest in locking up AGon. Whether he will be amenable to an extension in season, i am not quite sure. All dep the RS’s offer i suppose.

  69. Crawdaddy February 12th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    “They learned last year star players make people watch their games.”

    Wrong, the ratings dropped because the Red Sox lost too many players to the DL and were targeted to miss the playoffs.

  70. 86w183 February 12th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    I just don’t think Pujols wants to go be a DH at 32. He seems to enjoy and take pride in playing defense. I assume he’ll stay in St Louis for six years, $ 175 M.

    Liriano is 27 and threw 191 innings last year. The fact that he’s come back from major surgery is a plus in my mind. That shows, talent, character, determination and competitiveness.

    You don’t get a prime pitcher like that without giving up something special. My offer to them would be Noesi or Nova, plus Brackman or Betances to go with Robertson or Job and Romine. That deal keeps Montero and Banuelos who are the two “prospects” I’m most unwilling to move.

    Is it enough? Too much?

  71. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    if they dont get agon signed and he becomes a fa this offseason, that will preclude the socks from being able to have both on the team. 2 F/A 1bmen aren’t going to sign with the same team. if they lock up agon before then, they can go after pujols b/c agon will have no say in being moved to dh. but neither, in an open market is going to sign to become the dh, imo.

  72. MTU February 12th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Blake-

    That sounds like a winning formula.

    Strategic acquisitions fueled by development from within.

    I like it.

    :)

  73. West Coast Yankee Fan February 12th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    First, although fun to discuss, Pujols to the Yankees will never happen.

    That having been said, one cannot compare Giambi to Pujols in any respect. Pujols is on a track to be one of the greatest players to ever play the game and is certainly the best in baseball right now. Although a very good player, Jason Giambi should not be mentioned in the same breath as Pujols.

    As far as need is concerned, since when is improving your club not desirable? Mark Teixeira is no Albert Pujols.

  74. Doreen February 12th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Ys Guy -

    YES was launched in 2002.

  75. Doreen February 12th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    You have spoken WCYF.

  76. Crawdaddy February 12th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Thank God, Cashman is the GM!

  77. blake February 12th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    G. Love,

    I feel the same way as you regarding Felix. It may not happen but if they are as bad this year as they we’re last then I could see them starting to consider a direction change in that organization. His salary jumps considerably next season and while they can afford it…..it wouldn’t be a good use of resources unless they improve considerably.

  78. Cashmoney February 12th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    I prefer God to be my GM, better foresights.

  79. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    d, that is true, but people found ways to watch the yankees before yes. attendance did the same thing, btw. they never went over 3.4M until arod arrived.

  80. West Coast Yankee Fan February 12th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Thanks for the snotty response Doreen. You have a good day too.

  81. blake February 12th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    MTU,

    I think so too.

  82. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    cashmonehy, maybe God would decide it’s ridiculous to pay people that kind of money when so many live in poverty…

    there is absolutly no reason for the M’s to move felix. he is so young that they could disassemble the entire team and start from the ground up and still build around him.

  83. blake February 12th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    I don’t think the Yanks would allow Pujols to go to Boston to DH.

  84. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    pujols will not allow pujols to go to boston to dh either.

  85. BIG AL February 12th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    I don’t see what’s wrong with considering Pujols, if he becomes an FA.

    First, you lose Posada, the young pitching prospects grow up, and fill the SP needs from within, at a very low cost, soon after AJ’s gone, and you can easily afford both Tex and Albert on the same team. They can share 1B/DH time, and it would provide the Yankees with the best 1-9 line-up in baseball. Even if the young pitchers struggled a bit, the power of that line-up would off-set a higher ERA pitching staff, until they fully developed.

    The added revenue the Yankees would receive from marketing all of the Yankees, and Albert especially, would offset most or all of his salary. Keep in mind the huge amount of money the team makes from playoffs, and WS appearances pays several saleries.

  86. blake February 12th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    The Red Sox have more money committed to 2014 than the Yankees do when you factors in AGon’s extension …..

  87. G. Love February 12th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Ys Guy,

    The issue with the Mariners isn’t that they can afford to pay Felix. The issue is they may have to use him to get better and get real talent into the organization.

    If they could get 5 top prospects for him, it helps rebuild a team that is pretty barren right now.

    I also think Felix will not want to keep losing in Seattle. It’s going to frustrate him. He may try to force his way out. Greinke just did it in KC and he had no leverage whatsoever.

  88. Vineyard Yankee February 12th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Sign Pujols because the DH slot will open up next year when Posada retires ? ? ? In the real world the DH will be used to spell ARod and Jeter who will both north of 35. No wait maybe Pujols can come in to play SS……………..yeah right. LMAO !

  89. BIG AL February 12th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Back later.

  90. BIG AL February 12th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Vineyard Yankee -

    Once an ass, always an ass, and that’s what you are. Bye now.

  91. Cashmoney February 12th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Ys, prolly. But god prolly would have a bonanza in amateur drafts in International signing, thus field a competitive team from with in.

  92. Tar February 12th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    I believe we already have our own Yankee version of “Pujols and Felix”.

    Now, the hard part–Patience.

    The Cards and Mariners can keep thier guys.

  93. MTU February 12th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    IF Albert ever hits FA and Boston were known to have an interest the
    Yankees would have to at least be involved if for no other reason than to drive up the price.

    I hope Pujols stays where he belongs.

    In St. Louis.

    BIAW. Time for some pupdemonium.

    :)

  94. G. Love February 12th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    If Pujols makes it to free agency a lot of you who think it’s so outlandish for the Yankees to consider him are going to be very surprised to see how much the Yankees try to go after him.

    They’ll let Jeter sit on the bench and wave to the crowd between innings before they make him their regular DH.

  95. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    all good points glove but i still say if they are going to rebuild, they hang on to ichiro and the king to sell tickets until they get something going. the thing about rebuilding is you usually get rid of your older stars for young talent. it is extremly unlikely they can bring back anything like the young talent they’d be giving up. and the M’s arent some low revenue team that needs to drop down to the royal’s level to rebuild from. they always seem to keep one eye on selling tickets and losing felix would hit them way hard there.

    of course its possible they decide to move him, but i think it would be a major mistake.

  96. Against All Odds February 12th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Tar February 12th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    I believe we already have our own Yankee version of “Pujols and Felix”.

    Now, the hard part–Patience.

    ————————————————————–

    We do?????? who are they exactly ?

  97. hardwired7 February 12th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    I’m guessing the Red Sox and Gonzalez have every intention of agreeing to a long-term extension once the season starts (saving Boston luxury tax dollars in 2011.)

    They did the same thing w/Beckett last season.

    This article explains it pretty well:

    http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/20.....-extension

  98. blake February 12th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Felix is certainly young enough to rebuild around but the question is, is he on contract long enough to rebuild around? That team is terrible and if they aren’t seeing themselves as contenders before the end of 2014 then the rebuilding process could be sped along by getting top dollar for their best player and then spreading his salary around to fill other holes in free agency. They may opt to keep him just for the fan draw but that team is terrible and not especially close to contending in that division with 3 teams that are considerably better than them.

  99. G. Love February 12th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Y’s,

    Like I said, if Felix ever gets moved I think it will be more driven by Felix wanting out like Greinke than the M’s wanting to turn him into prospect gold.

    They’d be morons to trade him unless they can get the Yankees top 5 prospects in a deal.

  100. 108 stitches February 12th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    86W183 :

    Slightly too much as an offer for Liriano.
    The Twins primarily need infield help. Give them Jorge Vasquez, either David Adams or Corban Joseph then add Romulo Sanchez and one from Hector Noesi / Ryan Pope / D.J. Mitchell.

  101. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    of course God could always just decide that key igawa is going to be walter johnson and christie matthewson combined starting tomorrow. and there’s a good chance he’d be right.

  102. blake February 12th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    I think the Gonzalez extension is sitting on a desk waiting to be signed.

  103. Doreen February 12th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Ys Guy -

    True. And I have to acknowledge that ARod must have had an impact on viewership, and Pujols also would. I guess the question is, how many more people would tune in? Unless there are people outside the regular viewing area who would end up somehow subscribing to YES just to see Pujols?

    I do think the bottom line, though, is as long as the Yankees continue to win, their ratings will be very good. People start tuning out when a team either loses, or their playoff hopes are dashed.

  104. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    remember when the M’s were everybody’s darling last spring? for the record, i didnt bite at all on that and picked them for last place!

  105. Tar February 12th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    We do?????? who are they exactly ?

    Pena and Igawa. Like I said patience.

    :D

  106. Vineyard Yankee February 12th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Little Al:

    Wow ! You never fail to disappoint, because you make a dumb comment about the DH and get called out it ruffled your tiny feathers, too bad. While you are away think about how inane you sound with your comments about the DH opening up and how the Yankees should sign Pujols. Go pout now you old clown.

  107. randy l. February 12th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    so why do the yankees make it to the playoffs almost every year, but only win once on ten years?

    is it simply the yankees against the field where one of the other eight teams will get hot?

    the yankees may be the best team most years, but i think it’s obvious that the playoff format creates such a small sample that the best team isn’t usually identified.

    in the good old days before the playoff system was implemented, whoever won the world series was a very good team. now not necessarily so.

    so what do the yankees do when it’s them against the field where they may be the best team, but have to deal with a hot team each year that’s not as good as them but who is on a roll.

    the simple answer is that they have to build a team for the playoffs. in keeping with ben’s premise that the yankees are an embarrassment for only making the playoffs, i would say that it is an embarrassment to have the resources the yankees have and to not build a team for the playoffs.

    at the moment this yankee team does not seem to be built for the playoffs because it does not have three really good starters which is a key requirement for a team built for the playoffs. the yankees right now seem to be built to make the playoffs for 2011 but not to go all the way unless they happen to be the hot team.

    this is where the embarrassment comes in. if the yankees with all their resources are being set up to just be a playoff team, that’s embarrassing. they should be trying to take their odds from just one in eight to one in three or one in four.

    i think setting a low standard of just making the playoffs is an embarrassment for the yankees. now maybe the goal is to improve the starting pitching dramatically before the payoffs get here.at this point the yankees need a really good number two to be added or created from within by next october.

  108. Doreen February 12th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    G. Love -

    I would be surprised; but I’d never be shocked at anything the Yankees do. :)

  109. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    …broken record…there is nothing embarrasing about this team.

  110. upstate kate February 12th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Nicely written Ben, I enjoyed your post. You made some good points, especially about the years of “aging malcontents”. And I loved your conclusion.
    Personally, I don’t feel the season is a failure if the Yankees don’t win the WS, altho I am disappointed when they don’t at least make the post season. I liked 2001, when the Yankees were everyone’s team. I enjoyed 2003 when Aaron Boone came thru. Beating the sox in that manner meant more to me than winning the WS.

    any Ys Guy, I have to admit, I bought into the Ms hype last year!

  111. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    1966 was embarrasing, 1990 was embarrasing, 4 games in 2004 were embarrasing, 2011 might or might not be another championship year, but it will not be embarrasing.

  112. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    kate, you and a whole lot of people who get paid alot of money to analyze baseball got suckered by the M’s last offseason. (and i’m guessing they helped suck you right into that sinkhole with them!)

  113. SJ44 February 12th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Theo tried to build a team for the playoffs a few years ago………..and didn’t make the playoffs.

    The challenge in baseball, unlike the other sports, is the regular season is so long, it’s impossible to build a team for the playoffs. Too much can happen.

    Baseball is like hockey in the sense that you can build a great team. However, a hot playoff goalie, or hot team, can beat you.

    In baseball, a hot starter can carry a team in the playoffs. Or, a team can get on a two week rum and beat you.

    It’s more of a crapshoot in the post-season than anybody will care to admit.

    That’s why the goal is to make the post-season.

  114. blake February 12th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Randy,

    I think the problem is that having a big payroll doesn’t necessarily mean that the things you need are available to be purchased. That’s why its so important that the Yankees develop the things they need, so they don’t have to rely on things they need being “in stock” in free agency.

  115. Betsy February 12th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    That’s his favorite Yankee moment? Ok…

  116. 108 stitches February 12th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    blake February 12th, 2011 at 10:48 am
    I think the Gonzalez extension is sitting on a desk waiting to be signed.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I wouldn’t doubt that at all. At the same time, Pujols will be getting upwards of a $175M deal. It may depend on what the agent of Gonzales values him at. The $154M offer on the table is about what Teixeira has remaining. Does the agent prefer to wait and see what Pujols signs for and split the money difference ? Would he be happy to get Teixeira money of $22.5M per year ?

  117. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    it was so easy to believe that the M’s were ascendant last season because the angels looked to be down and with thier track record, how could you put any faith into the rangers? i didnt fall for it, but i was no smarter, i thought the angels were going to suprise people and win a weak division. i’m a big believer in mike scoscia and they do have good pitching, so it seemed logical to me, but i was wrong, too. in 2009 i correctly predicted 7 of the 8 PS teams in thier correct position, but i took a bath last season and only picked 2 teams correctly.

  118. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    betsy – small sample size, lol!

  119. Ruby Tuesday February 12th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    All good times in those photographs for us Yankee fans .

    I was there at the game for both .

    Too bad we will not have those kinds of celebration at the end of this season .

  120. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    i think agon is just waiting to see if/what the cards give AP if they get a deal done this week before he signs. if this really gets put to bed unresolved for the season, agon might just decide to go FA himself after the season, but that would make him the 2nd best 1bman on the market,which he might not like. i just think he’s keeping options open till he sees what albert gets.

  121. GreenBeret7 February 12th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Why do people keep insisting that 2004 was embarrassing? With the rotation the Yankees used, they had no business winning the AL East, and probably shouldn’t have even made the post season. After the third game, the pitching ran out and the offense stopped hitting.

  122. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Ruby Tuesday February 12th, 2011 at 11:13 am
    All good times in those photographs for us Yankee fans .

    I was there at the game for both .

    Too bad we will not have those kinds of celebration at the end of this season .

    ////

    thats what you get from someone who names themselves after a really crappy corporate restaruant chain…

  123. Ruby Tuesday February 12th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    :(

  124. randy l. February 12th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    “It’s more of a crapshoot in the post-season than anybody will care to admit.

    That’s why the goal is to make the post-season.”

    sj44-

    i totally agree the post-season is a crapshoot, which is why i think the yankees need to lower the odds from 1in 8 to say 1 in 4.

    i think with the resources the yankees have, trying to double the odds is a realistic goal.

    if this means keeping keeping something in reserve each year and then upgrading at the trading deadline to take care of unforeseen things that happen than this is what the yankees should do.

    i did not grow up just expecting the yankees to just make the playoffs. if some people accept that that’s their choice. i think the yankees deserve a higher standard.

  125. Betsy February 12th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    I can definitely see the Sox making a play for Pujols – as a DH or however. I doubt the Yankees would, though. I’d rather Albert then Tex, but I can’t see them trading Tex and, as I mentioned a couple of days ago, teams would be suspicious as to why the Yankees would be willing to trade a guy like Tex (even knowing Pujols was available) if they were really happy with him. Plus, he has a huge contract – what teams will want to take on that?

    Talking about contracts, I doubt the Yanks will want to add another enormous deal to the one they already have with Alex.

  126. BoJo February 12th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Hey Ruby Tuesday–

    Have you also been posting on the Daily News blog, or is that someone else just using your name?

  127. MattFromTO February 12th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    “Finally — and for the first time I could appreciate — we were on top again.”

    Exactly how I felt. I recently turned 20 and took 98,99, and 2000 all for granted. I can even remember crying myself to sleep after that wimpy blooper in 2001. 2009 was great and I’m hungry for more. Go Yanks!

  128. Betsy February 12th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    No thanks on Liriano; I’m very suspicious as to why the Twins would even be making him available. He’s their one power pitcher – as it is, they lack sufficient power pitches to compete against the AL East teams in the playoffs. It’s not like he’d be due for some huge Santana contract, so really, they can’t afford to pay him? I would consider giving up Brackman for him, but Banuelos and Betances are untouchable for anybody short of Felix Hernandez.

  129. blake February 12th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    “I can definitely see the Sox making a play for Pujols – as a DH or however.”

    If he were willing to DH then why would the Sox be interested but the Yankees not?

  130. BoJo February 12th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    The only way I could see Puujols here is if the Yankees and Cards make a swap of players, and for that to happen, Tex has to approve a trade. I suppose that is possible if he is paid some more millions.

  131. Against All Odds February 12th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    # Tar February 12th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    We do?????? who are they exactly ?

    Pena and Igawa. Like I said patience.

    :D

    ———————————

    Lol you’ll need patience and a bottle of gin if you’re waiting for that to happen. By that time human players will be replaced by robots

  132. BoJo February 12th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Betsy–

    Sorry but I feel asleep on our conversation last night and may have been groggy towards the end anyway.

  133. Betsy February 12th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    An embarrassment for “only” making the playoffs? Does he realize how many teams would kill to “only” make the playoffs?

  134. jacksquat February 12th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 11:13 am
    i think agon is just waiting to see if/what the cards give AP if they get a deal done this week before he signs. if this really gets put to bed unresolved for the season, agon might just decide to go FA himself after the season, but that would make him the 2nd best 1bman on the market,which he might not like. i just think he’s keeping options open till he sees what albert gets.

    Or, the Red Sox will keep *their* options open until they see if Pujols will become a free agent after this season.

  135. upstate kate February 12th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Ys Guy
    part of it was the hype but also:
    they had King Felix and Cliff lee
    the Angels lost some good players
    and, most importantly from my perspective, I like Griffey Jr and wanted him to go out on a high note!
    some of my picks are less rational and more who I want to be sucessful :)

  136. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    gb7 just because there were good reasons for why we lost that alcs in 2004 doesnt mean it wasnt embarassing. it broke the curse, which was going to happen sometime, but it was still embarrasing.

  137. Betsy February 12th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Blake, the Yankees are going to spend that kind of money when they have that kind tied up in Alex? Wow – I just can’t see that.

  138. Betsy February 12th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    That said, if I’m AP, I don’t want to DH – so while I can “see” it, I don’t think it’s realistic – unless the Sox don’t sign AGon, and I find it hard to believe they won’t. I still expect the guy to stay in St. Louis.

  139. blake February 12th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Betsy,

    I don’t know but the Red Sox will have more money already on the books for 2014 than the Yankees do when Gonzalez signs his extension.

  140. Betsy February 12th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Bojo, no need to apologize :)

  141. GreenBeret7 February 12th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    You’d better come up with something that makes more sense than “because it broke the curse”. NYYs went into that season after losing 3/5ths of their ’03 rotation…their 3 best. They had Mussina. They picked up Vazquez, who was outstanding until he got hurt around mid-season. Lieber was fresh off of TJ surgery. It was a patchwork rotation. Sorry, but, the Sox should have been embarrassed for allowing the Yankees to get that close.

  142. joeman February 12th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    let them get creative and get a 3rd team involved….Tex…Albert & Who

    Albert to the Yanks, Tex to who & someone ( or more) going to St Lou

  143. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    i’m gonna say the cards might not be crazy in refusing to go to 9 or 10 years with pujols. they dont have a dh. they arent the yankees, they cant afford to be paying someone in their late 30′s a humongous contract and they are already on the hook for holliday into his late 30′s. heyman suggested yesterday in SI that the cards have been pushing for a shorter contract at higher aav but are way apart based on years.

    btw, buster olney on wait, wait, dont tell me right now on wnyc.

  144. Bronx Jeers February 12th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    “….his favorite Yankees moment was, in his words, “Suzyn Waldman’s infamous Roger Clemens freakout.”

    —————————————–

    That was funny.

    I also loved Roger’s ” Evita moment” from the owners box.

  145. Doreen February 12th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    randy -

    For a long time in BB history, before divisions, if you had the best record in the AL you went to the WS. Once divisional baseball began, you only had to beat one other team.

    With the WC it’s an entirely differently ballgame, so to speak.

  146. BoJo February 12th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Betsy–

    They should have a sleepy emoticon here…let me see if this works

    :sleep:

  147. BoJo February 12th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Nope

  148. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    You’d better come up with something that makes more sense than “because it broke the curse”.

    //////

    “better?”

  149. SJ44 February 12th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Albert Pujols is not going to be a DH for anybody.

    He’s in the prime of a HOF career and is an excellent defensive player.

    If he became a FA, the Cubs will give him a blank check and he will be “taking his talents” to Wrigley Field.

  150. Betsy February 12th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Blake, really? I didn’t know that……I guess at some point also they will have to extend Buchholz (though maybe the Yanks will extend Phil, so that possibly evens things out). I don’t really think the Yankees would trade Tex – in fact, I don’t even know how that would work. If you trade him before signing Pujols and then you don’t sign Pujols, wow – they’re screwed. If you sign Pujols and then try and trade Tex, you’ll get nothing for him.

  151. Betsy February 12th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Bojo, NYYFans used to have an amazing selection of emotions/happy faces – happy faces raising a glass of beer, happy faces angrily beating their faces against the walls, happy facese on a soap box, a moose happy face for Mussina, etc……..The emoticons able to be used on here are very limited.

  152. SJ44 February 12th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Randy,

    Don’t they do that already?

    The Yankees are always among the most active teams at the trade deadline.

    The fact is, winning two rounds in the post-season AND then the WS is damn tough to do.

    I don’t think you can design a team to do that necessarily because too many random things can happen over the course of three weeks in a baseball season.

  153. GreenBeret7 February 12th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    The only two teams that I can see Pujols going to, other than staying in St. Louis would be Chicago Cubs and Baltimore. Ideally, Colorado would also be ideal, but, not likely that they could pay that kind of freight.

  154. GreenBeret7 February 12th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Ideally, Colorado would also be ideal

    Sorry…one too many ideals

  155. 108 stitches February 12th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    There’s a reason why teams rarely repeat anymore. The Yankees were the last baseball team to do it which was a 3-peat (1998-1999-2000).
    Since 1994 with the added tier of playoff games (Wild Card) and talk of even more, a team needs a hot bullpen with quality starting pitching and timely hitting sometimes from an unlikely source.
    The playoffs are a whole different animal. The Yankees certainly have realized it.

  156. Ys Guy February 12th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    if pujols hits the market and the cubbies dont back up seveal brinks trucks to get him, they are crazy. i know i just laid out why the cards maybe are smart to not sign him, but the cubs are in a different cirucmstance. they need thier franchise’s (boston) 2004 or they will always just be lovable losers.

  157. blake February 12th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Betsy,

    Yea obviously a lot of additions for both teams will happen before 2014 so that could change but the point is that the Red Sox are comitted long term to big money just as the Yankees are.

    I think trading tex for pujols could he really messy and I find that extremley unlikely. Albert is better but Tex is a great player in his own right……if they were going to find a way to add Pujols then Id prefer to just keep Tex and figure out a way to play them both. I think he will be staying in St. Louis as well though.

  158. joeman February 12th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    wonder if the SF would pay that $ for him

  159. SJ44 February 12th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Tex has a full NTC and Scott Boras as his agent.

    Meaning, he’s not going anywhere he doesn’t want to go and isn’t going to accommodate the Yankees to his own detriment.

    He’s settled in Greenwich, has excellent off-field business opportunities and loves playing for the Yankees.

    He’s not going anywhere anytime soon.

  160. Betsy February 12th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Blake, I would do it because I tend to side with GLove when it comes to being slightly skeptical of Tex (and I’ve never thought he was a “great” player), but it’s not something I would ever even speculate on. If this subject never came up, I’d never have thought about it on my own.

  161. joeman February 12th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    # SJ44 February 12th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Tex has a full NTC and Scott Boras as his agent.

    Meaning, he’s not going anywhere he doesn’t want to go and isn’t going to accommodate the Yankees to his own detriment.

    He’s settled in Greenwich, has excellent off-field business opportunities and loves playing for the Yankees.

    He’s not going anywhere anytime soon.
    ———————————————————-

    lives on a deadend street right by a golf course ….had the pleasure of meeting him last spring , down there for storm trouble..very nice kid

  162. blake February 12th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Betsy,

    Aside from the fact that Tex wouldn’t wave his.no trade. You’re looking at 6/140 for Teixera vs possibly 10/275 for Pujols. Pujols is better player but is he twice as good?

  163. 86w183 February 12th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    The only thing embarrassing about 2004 was Torre’s misuse of the bullpen, treating game four and game five as absolute must wins and wearing out Gordon and Mo…

    Gonzalez has agreed to terms. He will sign in April or May it’s a done deal and has been since the day of the trade

  164. Irreverent Discourse February 12th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    This article is a joke right? A 17 year old kid writing about the 2000+ Yankees, calling it a decade of “repetitive failure”? News flash kid, making the playoffs is success. Winning in the playoffs is a bonus. Also, winning 89 games in 2008 and not making the playoffs is not embarassing in any way.

    What a delightfully narrow minded view of Yankee history.

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