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Jones: “My manager is the catcher that I played against”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Podcast on Feb 16, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

On his way to Steinbrenner Field, Andruw Jones thought back to his introduction to the Yankees. It was, in a lot of ways, his introduction to the baseball public, an explosive performance in the 1996 World Series.

“When I was driving here I was thinking, wow, my manager is the catcher that I played against,” Jones said this afternoon. “That kind of makes me feel really old. It’s been a good time. Good memories of it. I wish we could have won it.”

Jones is a different player these days. His sure Hall of Fame career with the Braves has given way to a supporting role with the Dodgers, Rangers, White Sox and now the Yankees.

“A lot of opportunities came up,” Jones said. “There was a lot of talking, but I think when Scott (Boras) made the decision, he told me, he said this is going to be a good opportunity for you to go out there. You might get a chance (for) playing time. My main thing was the playing time, more than anything. He’s saying that the way the lineup is setup over here, they have quite a few lefties in the lineup. Me being a right-handed guy, I have a chance to get some at-bats. That’s why the choice was made. And I think everybody would like to play for the Yankees one of their years.”

Jones is dealing with some minor swelling in his left knee — the result of offseason workouts, he said — but he’s able to run and hit without a problem.

“Just happy to be here,” he said. “Happy to start and get things going.”

Here’s Jones speaking from his locker in the back of the clubhouse, in a row with Nick Swisher and Curtis Granderson.

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* By the way, yes, Jones said, “when Scott made the decision.” I have no idea whether Jones simply misspoke — maybe he meant to say something about Scott giving his option — but he certainly indicated that it was Boras who decided where he would be playing this season.

Also, I’m not sure what the problem was this evening, but the blog was down for a while. Sorry about that.

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224 Responses to “Jones: “My manager is the catcher that I played against””

  1. blake February 16th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Is he a sure Hall of Famer?….Im not so sure…..I watched a ton or his games with the Braves and he never felt like that to me.

  2. austinmac February 16th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Noesi must be going nuts waiting for the visa issue to be resolved. This is his chance to show he should be one of the starters. I feel for him.

  3. SAS February 16th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    I don’t think Andruw Jones is a HOF’er. Chipper Jones was always the better player.

  4. West Coast Yankee Fan February 16th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    It’s always something.

  5. Erica in NY February 16th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    blake February 16th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
    Is he a sure Hall of Famer?….Im not so sure…..I watched a ton or his games with the Braves and he never felt like that to me
    ***************

    I think Chad was saying, he once looked like a sure hall of famer

    (If I am wrong, Chad I apologize for misspeaking)

    On that note, I have to go home now. So much for promising myself an early night :cry:

  6. Bronx Jeers February 16th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Jones is going to have to get his microchip checked out before he malfunctions again. He nearly let it slip out that Scott Boras is the puppet master secretly running MLB.

    Either that or he’s actually developing thoughts of his own and will have to be terminated.

    Bad inventory.

  7. SJ44 February 16th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Cue the folks that don’t want the Yankees negotiating with Scott Boras because he “hates” the Yankees.

    There are some clients Scott is more aggressive with (ie: he chooses the team) than others.

    Jones seems to fall into the first category.

  8. Joe from Long Island February 16th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    I wonder if some of Cash’s annoyance with Joba has to do with not keeping in the loop, as opposed to the weight gain itself. Either way, it’s never a good idea to surprise your boss like that.

    That’s a lot more trust to have to be earned. JMO.

  9. 108 stitches February 16th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Hughes and Chamberlain. Two pitchers that once traveled the same path. One took his career seriously and has attended the Athletes Performance Institute in Phoenix, took an option in AAA, listened, worked out of the bullpen successfully, and earned a starter’s job in 2010 and performed very well.
    The other strayed off the path, preferred to rest on some limited success and will now need to fight for a chance to stay with the Yankees.

  10. tampayank February 16th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    kind of a cool video, I’m a nerd about new ballparks…video of Hanley Ramirez taking BP at the Marlins New Ballpark that is still in construction

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfO-SK2Sn-I#normal

  11. Chad Jennings February 16th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    You’re right Erica. I meant that during his time with the Braves, he was building a sure Hall of Fame career, then it fell off the tracks completely. I agree that Jones is borderline now, but if he had stayed on track, there would be no doubt.

  12. Bronx Jeers February 16th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    You make it sound like Hughes volunteered to go to AAA.

  13. tampayank February 16th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    it’s obvious Jones was a big time roider to have that big of a drop off

  14. SJ44 February 16th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Joe,

    I have a feeling that’s it more than anything.

    Bottom line though, Joba is definitely in a “show us” mode with the organization now. The golden buy days seem to be over.

    That could be good if he can “show them”. Will also be good for his career.

    If he can’t, I think the clock will be running re: his time in pinstripes.

  15. West Coast Yankee Fan February 16th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Ah yes, Joba and Hughes. Two Yankee pitchers whose names will be forever linked. Like Peterson and Kekich.

  16. m February 16th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Was there a simultaneous attack at RAB?

    Joe from LI,

    What are you referring to?

  17. rb from LI February 16th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    Joba had contact with the team. From Brian Hoch:

    In an interview with MLB.com, Chamberlain said that he decided to invest in the gym after last season, partly to combat his commute during the frigid Nebraska winter.

    “I wanted to have that little edge of knowing that when there are days when you don’t want to go to the gym, you know all you’ve got to do is go downstairs instead of getting in your car,” Chamberlain said.

    Chamberlain consulted with Dana Cavalea, the team’s director of strength and conditioning, and came up with an order that includes a treadmill, dumbbells, a Keiser trainer and a Power Plate vibration machine.

    “It’s everything I need,” said Chamberlain, who invited his 5-year-old son Karter to watch some workouts. “It’s not overly huge, but it’s enough to where I can have everything and have some room to work out.”

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....um=twitter

  18. GreenBeret7 February 16th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    Jones is in the Larry walker area…for slightly different reasons, though. walker because of Colorado and Jones because of late career swoon. Maybe a Mattingly comparison is better, though.

  19. m February 16th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Hughes fought to stay up as a reliever rather than go down. But yeah, Hughes has done everything asked of him. And I’m sure Joba has tried.

  20. blake February 16th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Chad,

    I agree with you there.

  21. Betsy February 16th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    I noticed that, too – Boras made the decision? Well either way, I hope Jones does well…….and it is weird that things have come full circle. So many players I hated or rooted against have become Yankees – players I grew to love.

  22. rb from LI February 16th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    What he work Joba actually did is anyone’s guess but at the top of the article Bryan mentions that his stomach is flatter than you’d think.

    :shrugs:

  23. hardwired7 February 16th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    one-fifth of the Yankees’ 25-man roster is represented by Boras. He might be toxic to other teams, but the Yanks obviously don’t have too many difficulties dealing w/him.

  24. Betsy February 16th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    Oh please, yet another snarky comment directed at “certain” posters. I don’t recall anyone saying here that Boras hates the Yankees……..

  25. Betsy February 16th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Joba and Phil aren’t really linked in my mind anymore. Who knows what the future holds for them? Their careers have just begun.

  26. blake February 16th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    I don’t think its a bad thing if Boras tends to steer his clients towards the Yankees…..seeing as how a lot of them are really good players.

  27. West Coast Yankee Fan February 16th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    When you are the best at what you do it’s common for many to dislike you. Scott Boras is the best agent there is. He’s much more than an individual he’s an organization.

  28. West Coast Yankee Fan February 16th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    …and regardless. The player makes the final decision on everything. The agent can only recommend.

  29. David in Cal February 16th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Until I see different, I intend to believe that Joba worked out diligently and that his weight gain is mostly muscles. Guys like CC and David Wells show that some well-muscled guys can pitch very well even if they’re overweight. I won’t criticize Joba until we see where is fastball is clocking.

  30. West Coast Yankee Fan February 16th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    As an aside, I wonder how unhappy Stuart Sternberg is about Tampa’s off-season. Their 2011 payroll is $41 million, down from $73 million in 2010. $32 million dollars will buy you a whole lot of happy.

  31. SJ44 February 16th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Nothing snarky about it.

    There was a thread here last week with people complaining about Scott Boras with numerous people saying the Yankees should never deal with him.

  32. pat February 16th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Wonder if anyone asked Dana to comment on Joba’s fitness level so either the speculation or the farce would stop?

  33. m February 16th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    It’s obvious that Joba worked out. People wanted him to, and they still complain.

    As for Jones, it’s kind of funny. But I just take it as a strong recommendation. And a good one. The Yznkees give one of the best chances to win.

  34. 108 stitches February 16th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    It remains to be seen if the suspension of Albert Pujols contract negotiations has an affect on the stance Adrian Gonzalez and his agent take in signing long term with Boston or wait to see what Pujols does.
    Pujols will sign for big dollars and Gonzalez stands to gain a better deal by waiting until the end of the season. It will be the last big contract either will get.

  35. Vineyard Yankee February 16th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Boras should steer his clients to the Yankees who tend to pay the most, after all he works on commission.

  36. SJ44 February 16th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Players don’t always make the final decision. On some occasions, they leave the decision to the agent.

    You think Johnny Damon really wanted to play for the Tigers? That was Scott driving him there after he messed up negotiations with the Yankees.

    Arod didn’t want to play in Texas. Scott steered him there……..and took Tom Hicks to the cleaners.

    The next time around, Alex wanted to return to the Yankees and Scott wanted to test the market.

    In that one, Alex took control of his career, got his deal with the Yankees, and eventually parted ways with Scott.

    As good as Scott is, and he’s very good, Aces, Inc out of Brooklyn, owned by Sam and Seth Levinson, is every bit as good. Perhaps better when you consider they get their players top dollar without creating death feuds.

    Without a doubt though, Scott and Aces are the two best baseball rep firms going right now.

  37. Betsy February 16th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    Well that’s ridiculous – that’s cutting your nose to spite your face. It’s never good to make business personal. I’m sure Cashman wasn’t thrilled with Boras’ handling of the Damon affair, but holding a grudge would have been counter-productive.

  38. Vineyard Yankee February 16th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Apparently the Cardinals (DeWitt) offered 8 years and approx. $ 200 million to Pujols who said no thanks. DeWitt said they will continue to pursue it after the season when there is a 15 day window of some sort.

  39. blake February 16th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    I think Boston will go ahead and extend Gonzalez…..its too big a risk to try and wait on Pujols……they could wind up with neither player.

  40. blake February 16th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    Jays about to give Bautista a 5 year deal……not sure that’s the best idea.

    http://Www.mlbtraderumors.com

  41. m February 16th, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    Stark hinted at a Pujols-proof deal that was hammered out days after Gonzalez was acquired. It’s goid business saving luxury tax dollars, but they’re getting a reputation for it.

  42. West Coast Yankee Fan February 16th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    SJ44 February 16th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Players don’t always make the final decision. On some occasions, they leave the decision to the agent.

    ************

    When a player “decides” to let the agent “decide”, that is the players “decision”. The bottom line is, the player has the final say in every single instance.

  43. West Coast Yankee Fan February 16th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Weren’t Sam and Seth Levinson clients Cliff Floyd, Rondell White, David Wright, Jason Marquis, Todd Hundley and Gregg Jefferies all victims of a real estate fraud?

  44. Tom in N.J. February 16th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    $65 million for a 30 year old player who has had one great season?

    Th Jays seem to keep making the same mistake over and over again.

  45. Fran the original February 16th, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Just watched Nick Swisher on “Better with You”.
    He might have a career as an actor someday :)

  46. SJ44 February 16th, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    I was an agent for 14 years West Coast. I do business with Aces and I’ve known Scott Boras for over 20 years.

    You would be surprised how often players let their agent make the choice.

    If you want to get caught up in semantics, be my guest.

    However, not in “every single instance” does the player make the choice.

    That is factually incorrect.

  47. Bronx Jeers February 16th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Was his characters name “Nick Swisher” ?

  48. SJ44 February 16th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Aces does not get involved in investing player funds. They only do contracts and endorsement deals. They do not have a financial management division. That is by choice.

    They have never been involved in any fraud allegations involve g their clients.

  49. West Coast Yankee Fan February 16th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    I said the player has the final say. What don’t you understand about that? Having the final say means he decides what to do; he might allow the agent to choose the deal and team for him, or he might decide to choose it himself.

    My point is that it is always the players decision how things are handled. Do you not agree?

  50. West Coast Yankee Fan February 16th, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    I didn’t suggest Aces did anything wrong; it is a bit curious that all the players were Ace clients. I suppose the players could have known each other because they shared an agent and acted in concert.

  51. Fran the original February 16th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    Bronx Jeers,

    He played himself. Actually not too much acting involved.

  52. charlestonchew February 16th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    I’m going to say this, because I can’t help but think it every time I see him say something.

    Man, that Andruw Jones guy is an idiot.

    Here’s to hoping he’s a good player.

  53. Bronx Jeers February 16th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    Thanks Fran,

    So now he’s portrayed himself twice.

  54. West Coast Yankee Fan February 16th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    Must have been fascinating to work with Boras. His organization and facility is top notch. He is so much more than just a contract negotiator I am sure you would agree.

  55. Jackson February 16th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    “I said the player has the final say. What don’t you understand about that? Having the final say means he decides what to do; he might allow the agent to choose the deal and team for him, or he might decide to choose it himself.”

    -

    Unfortunately you’re dealing with someone that is very opinionated but loves to live on the fence. This is why I asked last night to make sure he was clear.

  56. GreenBeret7 February 16th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Fran the original February 16th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
    Bronx Jeers,

    He played himself. Actually not too much acting involved.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    He should have billed himself as Swick Nisher and nobody could have confused the actor and the ball player.

  57. Tom in N.J. February 16th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Greg Maddux, Bernie Williams, Johnny Damon, J.D. Drew, Andruw Jones, Carlos Pena and Jay Bell -all Boras clients- were involved in Stanford’s ponzi scheme.

  58. Tom in N.J. February 16th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    http://buythemets.com/

  59. SJ44 February 16th, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    Tom,

    In addition to them, the receiver assigned in the case is seeking 13 million dollars from IMG and Vijay Singh, and 12 million from the PGA Tour.

  60. BoJo February 16th, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    Joe from Long Island February 16th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    I wonder if some of Cash’s annoyance with Joba has to do with not keeping in the loop, as opposed to the weight gain itself. Either way, it’s never a good idea to surprise your boss like that.

    That’s a lot more trust to have to be earned. JMO.
    _________________
    It’s not like he had a sex change operation–now THAT would have been a real surprise!

  61. Fran the original February 16th, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    He should have billed himself as Swick Nisher and nobody could have confused the actor and the ball player.
    *************
    GB,

    Great idea. Maybe you could be his agent :)

  62. Tom in N.J. February 16th, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    I should have said ‘victims’ instead of ‘involed’. I didn’t mean to imply that those players were involved in it.

    That’s just a nasty situation to begin with…

  63. GreenBeret7 February 16th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    Fran the original February 16th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
    He should have billed himself as Swick Nisher and nobody could have confused the actor and the ball player.
    *************
    GB,

    Great idea. Maybe you could be his agent

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Hmmmm. 10% of Joanna isn’t a bad deal.

  64. BoJo February 16th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    rb from LI February 16th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
    _______________
    That Keiser Trainer system Joba bought for home is a serious piece of equipment. Looks like he is fat afterall and all the angst of today was pure BS.

  65. GreenBeret7 February 16th, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    Oh, No. Indians with the Blood Clot uniforms

  66. BoJo February 16th, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    S/b Joba is NOT fat afterall

  67. SJ44 February 16th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    The players really got hosed. A bunch of guys on the ATP Tour also lost a good sum of money because Stanford was the title sponsor of both the doubles and senior tennis tours for awhile.

    I don’t think the Boras clients got any of their money back yet. I know the tennis players haven’t gotten a dime back.

    It’s a real mess.

  68. BoJo February 16th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    That power plate system is awesome too…his investment is a home gym wasn’t just a set of Joe Weider barbells afterall

  69. Jackson February 16th, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    Oh, No. Indians with the Blood Clot uniforms

    -

    GB, you have to stop swearing…at least in my country.

  70. BoJo February 16th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    MTU February 16th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Bojo-

    That adjustment was taught to Joba by Eiland.
    ______________________________
    Correction–Eiland screwed him up and Joba went back to his 2007 approach. Eiland IMO was TERRIBLE for Joba.

  71. West Coast Yankee Fan February 16th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    I wonder if anyone still thinks Joba has a million dollar arm.

  72. pat February 16th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    “….The Cardinals? best offer had been between $19 million and $21 million per season, according to Foxsports.com?s Ken Rosenthal, which would make Pujols about the 10th-highest paid player in the game.

    Less than Ryan Howard?s(notes) $25 million a year. Less than Mark Teixeira?s(notes) $22.5 million a year. Less than every incarnation of Adrian Gonzalez?s(notes) reported deal”

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....talk021611

  73. rb from LI February 16th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Bojo I stared at your first comment for several seconds VERY confused…then I finally saw your second post. :)

  74. SJ44 February 16th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Not true. Eiland is the one who made the mechanical adjustment with him.

    BTW, Eiland also worked with him in the minors in 2007.

  75. DocTodd February 16th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    NESN has a program on right now, Red Sox Live From Fort Meyers…..I wish YES would have something on for us Yankee fans….just send Sweeney Murti down with a cameraman !

  76. BoJo February 16th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    I have to disagree about Jones. He is a definite HOFer, but will probably get in around year 7-10. Right now people will just think of the late career swoon, but after 15 years or so, they will compare his stats for the 10 year stretch when he was an elite player. His Gold Gloves, MVP votes, All Star appearances, WAR rating, homers and steals–alll compare very favorably to most of the HOF players. I have NO DOUBT he will get in eventually.

  77. Fran the original February 16th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    Hmmmm. 10% of Joanna isn’t a bad deal.
    ******************
    GB,

    LOL. Maybe you could be Derek’s acting agent too :)

  78. BoJo February 16th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    SJ44 February 16th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Not true. Eiland is the one who made the mechanical adjustment with him.

    BTW, Eiland also worked with him in the minors in 2007.
    _______________
    Yes–Eiland screwed him up…and now he has gone back to his 2007 approach. Read the article posted earlier.

  79. Giuseppe Franco February 16th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    I’d really like to try that power plate system. Unfortunately, I don’t have a few grand lying around collecting dust in order to get one.

  80. BoJo February 16th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan February 16th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    I wonder if anyone still thinks Joba has a million dollar arm.
    ___________________
    Per his contract, he has a $1.4M arm. Don’t you keep up with the news?

  81. Joe from Long Island February 16th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    So, the Blue Jays are signing Jose Bautista to a 5 year, $65M contract. I guess they expect him to do it every year. That’s a lot of confidence, if you ask me. (I know, nobody did. It’s still a expecting a lot.)

  82. Jackson February 16th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    GB, my post to you wasn’t at all serious. I should’ve thrown in a LOL.

  83. West Coast Yankee Fan February 16th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Andruw Jones Hall of Fame? A .256 lifetime BA with a .338 OBP and (1) season where he hit over .300 (.303). Wow.

  84. BoJo February 16th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    rb from LI February 16th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Bojo I stared at your first comment for several seconds VERY confused…then I finally saw your second post.
    __________________
    One word can make all the difference. :-)

  85. West Coast Yankee Fan February 16th, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    I guess not Brad.

  86. SJ44 February 16th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Who do you think worked with him in the minors and in minor league camp in the Spring of 2007?

    Dave Eiland.

    Eland didn’t “screw up” Joba.

    Injury hurt Joba more than anything else.

  87. Jackson February 16th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Joe in LI,

    I agree, and I’m surprised after the offseason they had getting rid of Wells.

  88. rb from LI February 16th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Indeed. :)

  89. blake February 16th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Joe,

    I think its a risky deal as well based on one good season…..5 years is a long time for a guy his age with so little track record…..but the money isn’t anywhere close to the Wells contract though so I guess it gives them a little more leeway if he does regress. I am surprised they went that long though considering they just got out from under a big contract.

  90. GreenBeret7 February 16th, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    Fran the original February 16th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
    Hmmmm. 10% of Joanna isn’t a bad deal.
    ******************
    GB,

    LOL. Maybe you could be Derek’s acting agent too

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Let’s see. 10% of Joanna, 10% of Minka, 10% of Cameron? i’d never get any work done. Either be too tired or have a heart attack.

  91. blake February 16th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Andrew never was really close to a HOF level hitter IMO so if he gets in a great deal of value will have to be placed on his defensive ability……which was absolutely great for a period of time.

  92. GreenBeret7 February 16th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Jackson February 16th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
    GB, my post to you wasn’t at all serious. I should’ve thrown in a LOL.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Sorry, Jackson. I did a refresh and lost my place.

    Those were the second ugliest uniforms I’ve ever seen in baseball. The White Sox in black shorts and white jerseys with big collars? I would have shot Bill Veeck for making me wear those.

  93. Against All Odds February 16th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    Didn’t Eiland change Phil’s mechanics as well?

  94. BoJo February 16th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    SJ44 February 16th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Who do you think worked with him in the minors and in minor league camp in the Spring of 2007?

    Dave Eiland.

    Eland didn’t “screw up” Joba.

    Injury hurt Joba more than anything else.
    _________________
    First, how much time do you think Eiland spent coaching him in the minors? He pitched 7 games in Tampa, 8 in Trenton, and 3 in SWB. Not a whole lot of time to work with Dave since he was only at SWB with him for 3 games. So all the people who think he had some great relationship with Joba in the minors, check your facts.

    Second, Eiland was toying around with his delivery from 2008 on, and specifically was trying to get him to change from a strikeout pitcher to a pitch to contact pitcher in 2009. THere were articles that discussed that. He also was trying to get job to change his mechanics at that time.

    Joba over the winter went back and apparently looked at old video and decided to go back to his old hand position. Tha is pointed out in the article linked above.

  95. pat February 16th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Sounds like Swish’s former agent didn’t take the break up well……

    KenDavidoff Nick Swisher says “no hard feelings” between him and former agent Joe Bick. Bick’s response: ‘Really?” #Yankees http://bit.ly/hrovOF

  96. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 16th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    “And I think everybody would like to play for the Yankees one of their years.”

    I think that more often than not, that is a trueism.

    “Until I see different, I intend to believe that Joba worked out diligently and that his weight gain is mostly muscles. Guys like CC and David Wells show that some well-muscled guys can pitch very well even if they’re overweight. I won’t criticize Joba until we see where is fastball is clocking.”

    David in Cal, good for you. I think that the people around here who are always ready to think the worst of a player are the ones who themselves are wracked with insecurities. Otherwise, why would you make an assumption that a player has definitely hit the skids rather than to think that the player has gotten himself back together?

    Either insecure or Sux fans pretending to be Yankee fans. Hmmmmm.

    I’m with you and mel, and anyone else in Joba’s camp. Every dawn is a new beginning.

    :)

    **************

    Andruw Jones at his best was the bomb. The guy was fantastic. Does anyone recall his off-the-field fall from grace? A little trivia here, though at the time it wasn’t thought of as too trivial!

    ****************

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