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Monday notes: The Alex Rodriguez edition

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I doubt it’s any coincidence that Brandon Laird has been taking ground balls at third base right alongside Alex Rodriguez, just like I doubt it’s any coincidence that Eduardo Nunez is taking his shortstop reps with Derek Jeter. Extremely young players might not be comfortable with the superstars, but the guys on the verge need to rub shoulders with the best, and they need to learn from the best.

“I always saw that part in (Rodriguez),” Joe Girardi said. “He’d put his arm around young players and talk to them about the game. There’s been a lot of talk about how he was with Melky (Cabrera) and Robbie Cano when they were young. I was just watching him today with Brandon Laird. It was great. Talking to Brandon about things to do in bunt situations and why he does certain things. He was really good.”

It’s interesting that today Rodriguez seemed perfectly at ease in the press conference tent behind Steinbrenner Field. He opened with a joke, made fun of the press for asking him about “popcorn and losing five pounds” and had no problem heaping expectations on himself after two season that were “not acceptable” according to his standards.

“(The steroid admission) might have been a big step to that,” Girardi said. “Andy (Pettitte) has always talked about, the truth sets you free, and it takes a weight off your shoulders (no longer) living with, is someone going to find out? To me, you’re able to relax and be able to put it behind you and move forward and concentrate on the things that you need to concentrate on instead of maybe your focus being taken away. And I think that was a big step.”

Here’s the audio plus some more notes from today’s Rodriguez press conference.

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• The theme of today’s press conference seemed to be the new A-Rod, lighter in every since of the word. Not only has he shed some weight, he’s also unburdened by some of the things that haunted him in the past. “I believe I’m in a better place,” he said. “After all the things that have gone on, I felt a sense of liberation. I’m just really enjoying my life, enjoying the game and enjoying my teammates.”

• Rodriguez also went out of his way — more than once — to say that the Yankees need him to be better than he was last season. “I know that our team goal is to win a championship,” he said. “And I think in order for us to do that, I think certain guys have to step up. And I’m one of those guys. I’m expecting a nice year.”

• Dr. Marc Philippon was encouraged by what he found during an offseason exam and told Rodriguez that he’s back to 100 percent. Rodriguez still has to check in twice a year, but right now he’s confident that the hip problems are behind him.

• On his offseason training: “This is as healthy as I’ve felt over the last several years. I went down to see Philippon either in late-November or December and he gave me the full green light to actually go out and train like I usually do. The last several years, I’ve probably been 60-70 percent rehab, 30 percent training. This year, he actually let me go out, gave me the green light to do 100 percent training, get ready to play baseball. That said, I don’t make any excuses for what I’ve done the last several years, because no one wants to hear excuses, but at the end of the day, it’s been fun getting back to work.”

• On the state of the Yankees: “I hear there are a lot of doubters out there. That’s always fun. The bottom line is that we won 95 games last year and we have pretty much the same core coming back this year. We were two wins shy of the World Series, and with the exception of Swish and Robbie, I think the other seven guys, if you ask them, all of them would tell you there’s a lot of room for improvement. That starts with me. We expect to do a lot of good things, and in order for us to do that, I know that I have to play at an elite level. I’m ready for that challenge. I think all our guys are ready for that challenge.”

• On his struggles against lefties last season: “That’s one that puzzles me, because I love hitting against lefties. The numbers didn’t say that last year, so it’s something I have to work on and I’m going to focus on. I’m pretty confident that will be addressed very well this year.”

• On his advice to CC Sabathia regarding the opt-out: “I’m not the guy that should be giving any advice about anything to do with contracts, but I know that CC enjoys being a Yankee very much. I know his family likes it here. He has a beautiful home. I know the Yankees, we love having him here, and I don’t foresee him wearing another uniform any time soon.”

• On his expectations for Derek Jeter: “I think he’s not the only one that’s going to have a chip on his shoulder this year. I think if you look at our lineup (and) pitchers, there are a lot of people in there that want something to prove. The feeling we were left with in Texas is one that was not good. I think Jeter is going to do what he always does, have Derek Jeter-type year, which is over 200 hits, be very productive and I expect him to get right back to form.”

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464 Responses to “Monday notes: The Alex Rodriguez edition”

  1. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Brandon Laird–more trade bait.

  2. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Chad–you must be the hardest working reporter in the business. We all certainly appreciate the quality and quantity you deliver!

  3. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    I’dlove to see a study to see if LHPers are jamming ARod more with cutters than in the past–causing him the troubles he saw last year. I seem to recall KLong saying that more pitchers are throwing quality cutters now.

  4. Fran the original February 21st, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Thanks Chad. And great pictures of Alex :)

  5. Chase February 21st, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    I am a GIANT Alex Rodriguez fan.

  6. Doreen February 21st, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Fran,

    I agree about the pictures of ARod.

    Chad, this is the best ST coverage ever!

    Bojo -

    I don’t want they should trade every single promising prospect.

  7. Betsy February 21st, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Alex has been unburdened since the beginning of 2009, so I’m not sure why this is a surprise. He’s going to have a huge year.

  8. SAS February 21st, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Good evening all,

    It doesn’t seem like anything exciting is happening. That may be a good thing.

  9. 108 stitches February 21st, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Think of the upside. There’s no Angel Berroa or Wilson Betemit around. Nick Swisher and others make fans forget they were ever Yankees.

  10. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    Doreen–

    Montero, Sanchez, Banuelos, Betances, Brackman, Marshall, Nova–aside from them, I have a feeling all the others are trade bait or won’t make it to Yankee roster

  11. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    The list above is only AA and AAA players (except for the obvious). I don’t have a feeling for any A or below who will make it or not.

  12. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    BTW–promoting 7 prospects over 2-3 years is pretty darn great.

  13. Doreen February 21st, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Bojo -

    You have no position players in there, only p’s and c’s.

    I don’t know if Laird (and others) makes it to the roster out of ST, but I wouldn’t doubt that there will be a need for him during the season.

    I don’t want the Yankees to be short-sighted, and I don’t think they will be. If someone worth trading for comes on the market, sure, that’s another story, but I am not in a hurry to divest of some of the best talent they’ve had in a while. Laird, specifically.

  14. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Doreen–

    On purpose–I just don’t see a position they will play other than short-term utility players. No prospect is breaking into this line-up in the next 2-3 years except at C and DH IMO.

  15. blake February 21st, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Im sure lefties did try to bust Alex with cutters inside but Id guess they did the same with Jeter and he actually hit lefties very well last year…..I think it was probably just a weird anomaly that will correct itself this year. Arod will be in the MVP discussion if he can play 150 healthy games.

  16. Doreen February 21st, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Bojo -

    Thinking about it, my quibble is with the terminology, “trade bait” as in actively dangling players.

    I don’t want on onto prospects for the sake of it; as I said above, if a worthwhile trade opportunity presents itself, then that’s a different story. But i don’t think the Yankees go out shopping these guys right now.

    Besides, what the yankees need is maybe one more pitcher and right now there is no one I’d trade any of their prospects for. We’ll see what’s on the market at the trade deadline – again, that’s a whole ‘nother ballgame.

  17. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    BTW–I am not advocating trading them…I love Yankee home grown players. I am just saying that I have seen enough come and go to realize the majority don’t make it, especially when there is no place to put them. Thus, my gut instinct tells me they will be traded.

  18. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Blake–Agreed on ARod MVP year.

    Doreen–I think you are right..just terminology–we are saying the same thing.

  19. Doreen February 21st, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    wow -that was garbled English -

    I don’t want to ‘HANG ONTO’ prospects for the sake of it…”

  20. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    Doreen

    As an example of what I am saying, I could envision Cashman packaging Nunez, Romine, Laird, Noesi, Phelps and CuJo for a top of line starter in July…a really good one….top 20 in majors.

  21. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    I understood what you meant.

  22. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    Bojo,

    LHP threw A-Rod 54 cutters last year. Compared to 5 in 2009 and 17 in 2008.

    This link will give you more info if you want it.

    http://www.joelefkowitz.com/ba.....pid=121347

  23. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    NYYS may/will make deals but, they aren’t trading useful quality minor leaguers for high priced, aging average and less than average veterans, whether it’s pitching or position players. It’s been at least 16-17 years since NYYs have had this much near ready quakity in they system. This is no longer “dump the kids for an expensive, quick, short term fix” organization.

  24. Doreen February 21st, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Bojo -

    Six prospects for one seems like too much; I haven’t seen many deals that included that much, even for Halladay and Lee. And I don’t see anyone like Halladay and Lee becoming available. But, it’s all hypothetical.

    I know some think that King Felix and/or Johnson may become available, but I’m not holding my breath.

  25. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    LGY–THanks!

    GB7–I agree…Cashman manages a 40 man roster, not a 25…and he likes depth…but I still think he will be trading prospects for a starter in July.

  26. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    LGY–Wow! That is some site. Triple thanks!

  27. m1kew February 21st, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    A quick question about Hank S – does anyone know his WAR? I mean over the last ten years we know what Jeter has contributed to the increased value of the Yankees but what has been Hank’s contribution? Jeter may have built a mansion but he earned the money that he spent on building it. I understand he made a huge amount of money but that is the free market system. Most surely if the Yankees were not willing to pay him the funds they did over the last ten years or so there would have been other teams that would have paid him the same or more. So what is the beef here?

  28. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Jetes had a 47.8% GB rate vs LHP on Four Seam Fastballs in 2009.

    In 2010, it was 71.2%

    In 2009, he saw 28 cutters from LHP and had a 33.3% GB rate. 2010 he saw 65 and had a 53.3% GB rate.

  29. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Bojo,

    No problem. Came recommend from Jerkface. Great site.

  30. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Is it ever! Thanks Jerkface as well!

  31. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Jeter had about 25 more groundballs against the cutter vs LHP in 2010 than in 2009.

    And a whopping 80 more groundballs against the four seamer in 2010 than 09.

  32. Joe from Long Island February 21st, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Bojo – that could well be why Cash seems at relative ease with the state of the Yanks’ starting rotation at this point. Because he believes that he can make a deal mid-season, if necessary. I’ll bet he already has a good idea of who is likely to be made available, depending on the standings at the time.

    Stuff we fans will never know, until it happens.

    I wonder what kind of monstrous cell phone plan he has.

  33. Laura - I Bleed Blue February 21st, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    One of my neighbors is a big Red Sox fan and he and I trash talk all the time. I just saw him in the elevator and he said to me “Good luck with the new season. I hope you enjoy second place!”. I thought about throwing him down the elevator shaft a la Rosalind Shays from LA Law, but thought better of it. :P

  34. RhapsodyInBlue February 21st, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    I miss Pete taking pictures with his camera phone.

  35. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Jeter saw 292 less four seamers against RHP in 2010 than 09.

  36. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Doreen, the closest quality starter that may hit the market this year if a team falls out of it, would be the White Sox with Jackson and Floyd, the Angels with Ervin Santana or Houston with Myers or Rodriguez (regardless of whether they just resigned the, which adds value over a 1 year and gone). Highly doubtful that Jered Weaver or Jon Danks ever gets cut loose. Those two would be worth a steep price. Can’t see the Giants unloading Jonathan Sanchez unless they collapse. Perhaps the Dodgers with Billingsley.

  37. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Jetes saw 170 more two seamers vs righties and pounded those suckers into the ground at an 80% rate up from 63% in 09.

  38. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Doreen February 21st, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Bojo -

    Six prospects for one seems like too much; I haven’t seen many deals that included that much, even for Halladay and Lee. And I don’t see anyone like Halladay and Lee becoming available. But, it’s all hypothetical.

    I know some think that King Felix and/or Johnson may become available, but I’m not holding my breath.
    __________________
    I wasn’t sayiong all 6 would go in one deal, rather that they would all be available.

    Regarding your second question–it’s a good discussion topic.

    Let’s see…who might be available for a big package of prospects? Assuming their teams underperform or other reasons, my guess list would include:

    Johan Santana
    Francisco Liriano
    Gio Gonzales?
    Zack Greinke? (Would Cashman consider him if he performed well in Mil?)
    Chad Billingsly
    Clayton Kershaw?
    Jeff Weaver?

  39. blake February 21st, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Hitters across baseball are having to adjust to the cutter…..lots of guys are throwing them and throwing them pretty well…..could be one reason behind the great year for pitchers last season. Not the only reason, but a reason. Its a great weapon for lefties against RH hitters…..revitalized Andy’s career.

  40. pat February 21st, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    I love that CC isn’t afraid to go there.

    CC_Sabathia My baseball hero for Feb. 21st in honor of BHM was the GREATEST OF ALL TIME HANDS DOWN!… Barry Bonds http://fb.me/TNt47NQ3

  41. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    BTW Joe–if you didn’t see my post earlier, thanks again for your take on Sanchez. I appreciate the insight.

  42. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    LOL! Jeff Weaver?! Wow…dementia lives. Jared Weaver

  43. Doreen February 21st, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    Bojo -

    Gotcha.

    :)
    As for who could be available? It’s almost not even worth speculating until June. :)

    (As for Greinke – Milwaukee is no New York!)

  44. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    Blake–cutters and change-ups…

  45. blake February 21st, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    LGY,

    the fact that Jeter was pitched differently ending in worse results is better than if he had been pitched the same and achieved worse results……it means he needs to make adjustments

  46. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Some notes from ST

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_nyy

  47. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Doreen–IMO I think Greinke would have thrived here. If he has a sort of autism as some have speculated, the crowds won’t bother him. I’d love to see him in pinstripes.

  48. Doreen February 21st, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    GB7 -

    Pitching is just so thin. Everywhere, really.

    And if last season is any indication, teams seem to be clinging to any hope they have for the wild card. And if teams see themselves a player or two away, I tend to think they’re going to hold onto their pitching precisely because it’s so hard to come by.

    Even if a team evaluates and thinks they’re out of contention for one year – I still think they hold onto their premier pitchers.

    The only exceptions is where money is an issue.

    The Dodgers and the Mets fit that description. But as much as I used to like Johan Santana, I wouldn’t touch him now with a ten foot pole.

  49. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Doreen–why the negative love on Johan? THe surgery he just went under should restore his fastball and shoulder strength that has suffered these past few years. Even with the weakening arm, he has pitched very well. The guy is a warrior.

  50. Doreen February 21st, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    BoJo -

    I think it’s likely he could and will thrive THERE. But the point is, it’s still different HERE.

    Milwaukee/Kansas City – not much difference.

    I think if the Yankees were seriously considering Greinke, he’d be here now. Greinke may have NO issue with NY at all; however, i don’t think the Yankees want to take that risk.

  51. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 21st, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    BoJo says:
    February 21, 2011 at 8:17 pm
    Doreen–why the negative love on Johan? THe surgery he just went under should restore his fastball and shoulder strength that has suffered these past few years. Even with the weakening arm, he has pitched very well. The guy is a warrior.

    ———

    The guy … is a felon. Charges couldnt stick. Pass.

  52. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Doreen, that’s exactly the problem. Even teams within 8 games in July are holding onto yjrir pitchers. NYYs may have some inexperience in the minors, but, they appear to be quality, near ready and a lot of them. Those teams with good young minor league pitching has it in the low minors. Tampa has the young pitching, but, not a lot of offense near ready. NYYs could bring in pitching in stages and pick up 10-12 wins from the youngsters. They did it in 2007 and the 5th slot picked up 13 wins from 7 starters that weren’t close to this good. Those are the games where offense just needs to outslug teams.

  53. Dan in Philly February 21st, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    just want to chime in and say thanks to chad for all this great ST coverage. i hardly ever comment but this is by far the best ST coverage from all the beat writers out there. also really appreciate the insight into the minor leaguers, stuff we don’t really get anywhere else. cheers

  54. Doreen February 21st, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    BoJo -

    I agree that Johan is a warrior. But how many times can a guy bounce back? He’s been pitching hurt for theMets almost from the beginning. He’s pushed himself harder than anyone on their staff, as if he’s trying to win two games at a time if he could.

    At this point in his career, I have my doubts that he can continue to be the guy people have come to expect him to be. Even if he were signed for the back of the rotation, the expectations will not be commensurate to that (not necessarily by the Yankees, mind you).

    Also there’s the money. And the cost.

  55. 108 stitches February 21st, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Cashman is not in a dealing mode at the present time. He prefers to see what shakes out between now and the 3rd week of March with what he has plus the recommendations of Girardi as he’s said in all recent press releases.
    His lines of communication are open as always and major league scouts are looking at possible fits both in Florida and Arizona.

  56. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    onto ***their young*** pitchers

  57. Joe from Long Island February 21st, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Bojo – you’re welcome.

    I agree with Doreen, I wouldn’t touch Johan Santana with a 10-foot pole. Could things change? Absolutely. But, even the Mets say they are looking at July before he pitches again, and that’s if everything goes well.

    I saw where Liriano complained of some arm stiffness the other day. Is that a sign of trouble?

    On the other hand, I recall Pat M. saying, a few months ago, that some of his scout friends said the Dodgers were shopping Billingsley to Cash. IF things are are ugly out in LA as they are reported to be….. anything’s possible. Especially when you’re talking young, “cost controlled” (ie, cheap) players coming over to a cash-strapped team/ownership.

  58. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Pie-in-the-sky to think that Sananta’s coming back throwing harder than he has in year after shoulder surgery. Not the same as elbow surgery. Not only that, but at the earliest, he won’t be pitching until June. How effective is the question.

  59. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Dionysius Thelxinoe February 21st, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    The guy … is a felon. Charges couldnt stick. Pass.
    ______________
    I totally forgot about that…thanks!

  60. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Pie-in-the-sky to think that Sananta’s coming back throwing harder than he has in year after shoulder surgery. Not the same as elbow surgery. Not only that, but at the earliest, he won’t be pitching until June. How effective is the question.
    ______________
    That differs from the medical reports I recall reading…but time will tell how well he comes back.

  61. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    Billingsley might well be worth a Romine, Phelps/Warren/Stoneburner, Joseph/Adams/Laird as long as NY gets at least a 1 year extention.

  62. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Why would the Dodgers take back that little for Billingsley:

  63. tyanksfan36 February 21st, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    I would just like to comment on the second picture. I don’t know how Arod is wearing long sleeves, it was 80 degrees today, I was sweating buckets in the first 5 minutes of recess with the kids today and I wasn’t even doing anything but standing around. Though I wouldn’t trade that heat for cold.

  64. Joe from Long Island February 21st, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    LGY – to lower payroll. To get a bunch of cheap players, who they hope can stick, thus allowing them to forego other, more expensive players.

    It sounds cynical, I know, but the Dodgers’ situation sounds ugly. Maybe not as ugly as the Mets, but ugly nonetheless.

    How ugly? Well, if the Dodgers make that kind of deal, then we’ll know for sure how ugly.

  65. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    Yeah Joe, I agree that could happen. Just talking about the specific package GB proposed. They can get better prospects than that.

  66. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    LGY February 21st, 2011 at 8:45 pm
    Why would the Dodgers take back that little for Billingsley:

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    He’s arbitration eligible in ’12, they need pitching a catcher, a 3rd baseman or middle infielder. If they’re out of it, they’ll move him.

  67. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    I read somewhere today that the Dodgers are $300M in debt, and don’t have the reseources to get out….both Mets and Dodgers may be sellers if true.

  68. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    I always wonder though how Dodgers pitchers stats would transfer to AL East and Yankee Stadium. IMO, the DOdgers mound and park create better stats for their staff…

  69. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Although in Billingsley’s case, his home/away splits are very good.

  70. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Where will they get a ML catcher? It leaves room to negotiate. Will it take an extra young pitcher? If it does, remove the infielder and add Luis Nunez who’s another middle infielder and Jorge Vazquez to add punch at first base from the right side.

  71. pat February 21st, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    FYI Knicks fans

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  72. SJ44 February 21st, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Great story Chad.

    You are kicking everyone’s butt with your coverage of ST this year.

    I have and a few battles over the years with guys on the beat about Alex.

    In particular, aboutmhis willingness to mentor younger players.

    Some thought he was being a “phony”. Nothing can be further from the truth.

    Alex has the highest baseball IQ on the team. By a LOT.

    He may have the highest baseball IQ of anyone in the game.

    He LOVES to talk, and share, his knowledge of the game with younger players.

    When the best player on the team is also the most giving when it comes to sharing his knowledge with younger players, you have a good thing going in the locker room.

  73. blake February 21st, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Billingsley is good and should get better…..id love to have him.

    Knicks would be pretty darn good with Melo.

  74. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    The Dodgers have Uribe (2B) signed through 2013 and team options on Furcal (SS) and Blake (3B) through 2012.

    You are talking about filler guys. There is no centerpiece in that trade.

    You are going to need at least one legit top 100 guy to land a pitcher like Billingsley.

    Luis Nunez and Vazquez? They are non-prospects. Vazquez is 29 years old already.

  75. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Look at the Garza trade.

    They got two top 50 guys on Keith Law’s top 100 for 2011 + more.

  76. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    Blake is what? 37 years old, now?

    Who’s top 100 are you going by? There’s about 5 of them and they include Romine.

  77. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    BA and Law.

    What top 100 list is Romine on?

  78. Joe from Long Island February 21st, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    As a longtime (suffering) Knick fan, I’m not sure what to think about this impending trade for Carmelo Anthony.

    Yeah, he undoubtedly is one of the best players in the league. But, the reported price – Chandler, Felton, Gallinari, and now Mozgov – goes against what Donnie Walsh has been trying to do. And taking on a couple of big contracts, as reported? I don’t know.

    The killer, for me, are the reports that James Dolan, that great American sportsman, has been listening to Isiah Thomas.

    I’m telling you, one of George’s best decisions was not to sign on with the Dolan Family. Can you imagine that alternative universe?

  79. blake February 21st, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    “Blake is what? 37 years old, now?”

    Nah I’m not that old

  80. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    Joe–If he is taking on money, that sounds just like Thomas. Idiot.

    If they were abloe to do the deal even if they had to gut team, at least get rid of money so they can sign Howard in a bit, and rebuild around that.

    I think Donnie must be counting the days to retirement.

  81. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    Joe,

    The only money they are taking on is Billups, but his contract expires after the 2012 season for when CP, Deron, and Howard are FA.

  82. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    Some people saying The Moz is not in the deal.

  83. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    Billups is also better than Felton so the added dough he costs should be worth it to the Knicks.

  84. SJ44 February 21st, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    Joe,

    That’s the problem with the trade.

    Dolan is listening to Isiah and not Donnie.

    If they give up too much for Carmelo, they are no better off than they are now.

    Carmelo and Amare don’t really compliment each other. Especially if Amare has to play the five spot.

    As good as Carmelo is, he isn’t LeBron. Or Wade for that matter.

    You give up 4/5ths of your starting five, you gotta get a more versatile player.

    Big gamble for the Knicks. Especially if Prokarov then get 3 of those guys to NJ.

    My take? Never sleep on the guy with 18 BILLION like Prokarov.

    He’s the smartest guy in the room, IMO.

  85. Joe from Long Island February 21st, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    I understand what you’re saying, LGY, but it isn’t so much about the value of the players (so they decline the options on Furcal/Blake, and plug in a David Adams, the cheaper player). The value to the Dodgers would be the lower payroll. When you’re in the type of financial bind that the Dodgers are, the only winning you’re interested in is the kind where you get creditors off your back.

    I know, it’s a cynical way to look at things. But, I really think the money issue will rule. We’ll see.

  86. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    At least wait until Melo announces he won’t sign NJ extension…gee, hasn’t this guy ever played poker?

  87. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    Yeah…Law is the last word. The guy that ranked Banuelos low because he didn’t pitch enough last year and put a player that has 11 games in Arizona at the top. Look…I don’t care who they trade, but, giving away 4-5 top players and taking on a 2012 arbitration case that’s going to be 13-14 mil next year. I’ll go into the season with what they have. I’m that confident of their ability.

  88. Tarheel In NYC February 21st, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    Chad, thank you so very much for the phenomenal coverage of ST!

    You’ve gotten me so incredibly excited about the season that I’m practically salivating.

    I’ve taken the day off of work on March 31, and I’m plotting and scheming to score a reasonably-priced ticket (relatively speaking) to Yankee Stadium on that day.

    I know the off-season didn’t go as we had planned or hoped, but I’m convinced our boys will figure out a way to win.

  89. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    NNYs are also in a position to take on their worst contract and then deal that one off.

  90. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    Billups is an upgrade over Felton, especially in the playoffs when it is more of a half court game. Melo is a big upgrade over Gallo.

    Chandler was gone at the end of this year because he is a RFA and will be looking to cash in.

    If the Knicks kept Moz out of it, this is a big win for them because they can start Billups-Fields-Melo-Amare-Moz.

  91. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    Yeah…Law is the last word
    _____________
    His name is Law, not his word.

  92. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Let me re-phrase that:
    Law is his name, not his word.

  93. West Coast Yankee Fan February 21st, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    It is a good deal for the Knicks in my opinion. With a dominant Heat team in the East and Chicago a step behind, te Knicks are wise to shake it up. No guts no glory. They were not going to win the slow-grow way. With Amare and Melo you have two stars to build upon. I hope it’s true.

  94. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Is Curry in or out of deal?

  95. Carl February 21st, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    The deal had to be done.

    The Knicks suck as is.

    Amare with a bunch of 3 point shooters.

    Team would never win built like they are.

  96. Against All Odds February 21st, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    # pat February 21st, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    FYI Knicks fans

    PeterBotte Already? RT @DenverSportNews BREAKING: #Melo trade to the NY Knicks appears imminent. http://dpo.st/fqaATu by @NuggetsNews

    ——————————–

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  97. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Joe,

    That could definitely be the way the Dodgers go. I am not disagreeing on that.

    But if they do go that way they will shop Billingsley for the best package possible. They can get a good haul for him. Would have to start with a more highly regard prospect than Romine to get the ball rolling.

    Romine could be a secondary piece in the trade.

  98. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Does this deal signal the end of the Donnie/Mike D era?

  99. Joe from Long Island February 21st, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    LGY – Newsday was reporting today that Denver wanted to unload two other players (Sheldon Williams and Anthony Carter; I’ll admit, I’ve never heard of them), and get back from the Knicks a 1st round draft choice, in addition to the 4 players mentioned. Oh, and 3M in cash.

    Seems like a pretty steep price. And if it’s something Isiah is recommending, that, to me, is a reason to oppose it.

  100. West Coast Yankee Fan February 21st, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    I agree with you 100% Carl.

  101. Joe from Long Island February 21st, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    LGY – I’ll admit, I don’t follow basketball as I do baseball. Just seems like a lot to give up, and, like I said, if Isiah is pushing it……

    Bojo – yeah, it might signal that. If Isiah is still in Dolan’s ear, why stick around for that.

  102. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    Joe,

    Anthony Carter and Williams are only signed through the end of the season. Carter for 1.3 million and Williams 900K. These are just filler guys to make the money work under the NBA cap restrictions.

    They are decent role players. Williams can rebound and Carter is an ok backup PG.

    http://hoopshype.com/salaries/denver.htm

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  104. SJ44 February 21st, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Depends on whom is in the deal.

    I’ve always liked Billips.

    Problem is, if they give up Moz, Amare is the five and does it really make them better?

    As far as ’12 is concerned, file that under Isiah guaranteeing Dolan he can deliver LeBron.

    Believe he can deliver a FA when he actually does it.

    A PG will go to Miami in ’12 before they go to NY.

    Plus, we have no idea what the new CBA will look like and that will impact any movement in ’12.

    If they keep Moz out of the deal, it’s Donnie’s trade. If not, it’s Isiah’s trade.

    For the Knicks sake, I hope Dolan listens to Donnie.

  105. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Billingsley isn’t going to bring a Halladay/Lee type “haul”. That deal for Greinke was hardly a “haul”.

  106. Against All Odds February 21st, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    # BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Does this deal signal the end of the Donnie/Mike D era?

    ————————-

    Francesa brought up a good point today. Dolan has never cared if Isiah’s name was brought up when it came to the Knicks acquiring players. Isiah was even thanked at the press conference for Amare. If that’s the case then why did Dolan go out of his way to release a statement that they are all on the same page. If it’s just business as usual wouldn’t he have let the Thomas talk fall on deaf ears.

  107. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Dolan is going to come out of this looking more like an idiot if his GM and Coach leave. They finally put Knicks back on verge of map, and made rationale moves the fans could support. Giving up Gallo is a mistake.

  108. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Billingsley isn’t going to bring a Halladay/Lee type “haul”.

    ———–

    :D

    Did I say he would?

  109. Mell February 21st, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    “It is a good deal for the Knicks in my opinion. With a dominant Heat team in the East and Chicago a step behind, te Knicks are wise to shake it up”

    Knicks are 1st round losers with or without Anthony this year, but it does make some long term sense. Even better long term sense would be sending D’Antoni packing.

  110. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    SJ,

    How is Miami fitting CP or Deron under the cap with Bron/Wade/Bosh?

    That would be impossible under the cap.

  111. Betsy February 21st, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    Isn’t it annoying that the Yankees asked Alex to take a bigger leadership role? Like what he did with Cano last year wasn’t enough?

  112. tampayank February 21st, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    “# SJ44 February 21st, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    A PG will go to Miami in ’12 before they go to NY.

    I know Chris Paul will probably be a FA but what LGY said…if Howard decides to stay in Orlando that would be a good fit for Paul if Nelson deal is up soon or he’s dealt….but LA is always lingering

  113. Joe from Long Island February 21st, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    LGY – Nova, as the pitcher, instead of minor league talent? Nova has shown he can get ML hitters out, and has poise on the mound. This is where your assessment of talent comes in. Nova and his potential, vs Billingsley and his. If Freddy Garcia shows he can stick around, do you trade Ivan Nova for Billingsley?

    Would you trade Andrew Brackman for Billingsley?

    And why did Girardi, who just the other day said he doesn’t like to talk about pitchers doing their bullpens, to avoid making them self-conscious at this early stage of ST – why did he go out of his way to praise Brackman? Was Brackman that out and out good? Or, was it an advertisement?

  114. Betsy February 21st, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Joe, I was like that at first as well, but as others have said, Felton was signed for only 2 years (Donnie clearly is going for another star). Apparently Gallo is a RFA next year or the year after and Chandler also probably wouldn’t be here. If it came down to Gallo for Melo, then that’s a no brainer; as the process went along, I thought Donnie should have at least upped his offer. I know what he was doing, but the idea of a trade isn’t to gouge the other team and the offer we had out there was pretty much garbage. Thus, I had no problems with Dolan flying out to LA…… Until I see more evidence of what Wojo described in his article, I’m just not going to freak out. What would bother me is if they caved on Mozgov (because when is enough enough) OR if NJ/Denver did a deal afterwards to send the ex-Knicks to NJ just out of spite for NY

  115. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Joe–

    I think Girardi was praising his batting practice, not his bullpen.

  116. Nick in SF February 21st, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Supposedly Donnie Walsh has been whispering in the ear of the AD at Florida International, so I guess it’s all fair.

    Go Golden Panthers! Isiah + Donnie will get you out of last place in the Sun Belt soon!

  117. West Coast Yankee Fan February 21st, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Mell – agreed. There are many good coaches around that would love the NY job with Melo and Amare as a base. It’s about the players ultimately with a few exceptions like Phil Jackson. Miami is 41-15, the second best record in the NBA with who? Ex-Heat video coordinator Erik Spoelstra.

  118. Betsy February 21st, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Odds, I was taking a break from the computer; I’ve spent a ridiculous amount of time on it this week or so, lol – it’s just NOT healthy

  119. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Well–I guess the interesting thing about this whole transaction is that at least it has old Knicks fans talking about the team again.

  120. SJ44 February 21st, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    LGY,

    New cap rules amd either dealing Miller or Haslem could give the Heat an extra 15 million dollars.

    For example, CP or Deron could sign a one year deal for 15 million and then sign a deal for market value as a returning FA in ’13, if the players win out on their goal of teams being able to sign their own FA’s without regard to the cap.

    The new CBA will govern the ’12 rules. I have a feeling it will give more leeway to a team being able to retain it’s own FA’s after all this movement the past two years.

    As far as Alex is concerned, there is nothing annoying about asking him to take a larger leadership role on the team. It’s time.

    It’s a senior member of the team and it’s best player. It’s the natural next step.

  121. Against All Odds February 21st, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    # Mell February 21st, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    “It is a good deal for the Knicks in my opinion. With a dominant Heat team in the East and Chicago a step behind, te Knicks are wise to shake it up”

    Knicks are 1st round losers with or without Anthony this year, but it does make some long term sense. Even better long term sense would be sending D’Antoni packing.

    ———————————-

    D’Antoni isn’t long for the job IMO. I’m not running him out of town but I think after a while they will switch it up and make a change. I can see Doc Rivers coaching the team down the line.

  122. Betsy February 21st, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    I really heart Amare because from day one he showed a love for NY and a willingness to be “that guy”. He wasn’t Lebron, who ran from trying to rebuild a moribund team; this guy embraced the challenge. Anyone read the article on him in SI by Lee Jenkins? It was tremendous. I didn’t watch the ASG, but apparently Amare was the first guy off the bench to congratulate his temporary teammates – he’s a guy that deserves to play with a Melo.

  123. Betsy February 21st, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Odds, they need a coach who can bring back the D – it’s like with the Chicago Bears. No matter if they had a HOF QB at the helm, it’s a running and defense team first and always. The Knicks are a defensive team historically; lord, those 90′s teams were fun. I want that kind of rivalry again with the Heat……..and/or with the Celtics. Mike D is a nice guy, but I think they need someone else.

  124. SJ44 February 21st, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Eric Spolestra is also a helluva young coach.

    He nearly won 50 games last year, and made the playoffs, with a team that didn’t have LeBron and Bosh.

    He has also done what nobody in the NBA has done in seven years with LeBron.

    Made him accountable and actually coached him. Especially on the defensive end of the floor.

    The off shoot is, LeBron is a better player than he was in Cleveland.

    He may have started as a video coordinator but, he’s graduated into being a first rate NBA coach.

  125. Against All Odds February 21st, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    # Betsy February 21st, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    I really heart Amare because from day one he showed a love for NY and a willingness to be “that guy”. He wasn’t Lebron, who ran from trying to rebuild a moribund team; this guy embraced the challenge. Anyone read the article on him in SI by Lee Jenkins? It was tremendous. I didn’t watch the ASG, but apparently Amare was the first guy off the bench to congratulate his temporary teammates – he’s a guy that deserves to play with a Melo.

    —————————————-

    Amare has matured so much since his days in PHX. I don’t think anyone realized he was this much of a leader

  126. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    SJ,

    The big 3 in Miami are due $52 million for 2012/2013 season.

    The cap for this season is set at $58 million.

  127. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    What’s killing the Dodgers are contracts like 12 mil for Furcal, 12 mil for Kuroda. 4 year more of paying A. Jones, another 3 mil for Pierre, 6 mil for each of 3 years for Blake, 3 years at 11 mil each for Lilly. Ethier and Kemp will get big money by next year.

  128. SJ44 February 21st, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    Lebron didn’t run from NY. That’s nonsense.

    He never wanted to play in NY. He took less money to go to Miami.

    Amare took the highest offer he got. That’s how he got to NY.

    Both guys did what was right for their personal desires.

    That’s what free agency is all about.

  129. Against All Odds February 21st, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    # Betsy February 21st, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Odds, they need a coach who can bring back the D – it’s like with the Chicago Bears. No matter if they had a HOF QB at the helm, it’s a running and defense team first and always. The Knicks are a defensive team historically; lord, those 90?s teams were fun. I want that kind of rivalry again with the Heat……..and/or with the Celtics. Mike D is a nice guy, but I think they need someone else.

    ———————————————-

    Yea by Melo coming to the Knicks in breathes life back into rivalries with Boston and Miami. They might need to change the coach but Mike is going to get some time. He went through 2 yrs of “hell” in order to bring in stars and improve the team. Mike is going to get some rope but we’ll see how he does with Amare and Melo going foward.

  130. Against All Odds February 21st, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    forward*

  131. BoJo February 21st, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    :arrow:

  132. SJ44 February 21st, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    That’s this season LGY.

    The new rules are going to change the cap rjoes considerably. Especially when it comes to retaining your own FA’s.

    Mark my words, there are going to be a lot of cap exceptions and options in the new CBA.

  133. Betsy February 21st, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Odd, he’s grown up.

    SJ, I don’t want to get into a debate about Lebron because it’s not that important. I have some not so positive thoughts about him, but I give him a ton of credit for taking less to go win. That’s what I’ll say about him.

    As to Amare, it doesn’t matter why he came here. The fact is, he should get credit (and he has) for taking on a challenge that not every player wants.

  134. Betsy February 21st, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    SJ, please say there won’t be a franchise tag. I never understood what it was until a few weeks ago and, now that I do, I detest it. I understand it’s to help smaller market teams keep their players, but what it is to me is a way to keep a player under a team’s control for years, no matter where he might want to play. I hate that…….it reeks of baseball before FA

  135. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    SJ

    Yeah I see what you are saying but the money just won’t be there unless the cap is raised substantially or one of the PG will take minimal money for a year.

    You Miami guys are getting greedy. You are not getting a Big 4 :)

  136. Betsy February 21st, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Oh, trade is official, but Mozgov is in the deal……..no Randolph or picks

  137. SJ44 February 21st, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    He took on the challenge because he took the highest offer he got in the marketplace.

    What would have been interesting is to see if Pnoenix matched or exceeded the Knick offer what he would have done.

    Just because the NY media had Lebron going to NY doesn’t mean HE wanted to go to NY.

    That’s always lost when folks take shots at Lebron.

  138. SJ44 February 21st, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    LGY,

    There will always be ways to work within the rules.

    For example, the one year deal I mentioned earlier, and then re-up. Or, combining veteran exceptions.

    Smart guys will always find ways to work guys in under the cap.

  139. Betsy February 21st, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    SJ, he still deserves credit. Knick fans love this guy for what he’s provided us.

    Anyway………..

    Dempsey of Denver Post says Nuggets get Felton, Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov and Curry. #Knicks get Melo, Billups, Williams and Carter or Balkman

  140. LGY February 21st, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    :arrow:

  141. Against All Odds February 21st, 2011 at 10:27 pm

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