A Friday buffet of news and notes
Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Feb 25, 2011 
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Another series of quick-hitters as we move towards – finally – some actual baseball.
• For all you lineup-trackers, Joe Girardi said that all the regulars except Russell Martin will play in tomorrow’s opener against the Phillies. Look for them to get a couple at-bats, then be split into groups – one that plays Sunday in Clearwater, the other that goes to Lakeland on Monday to face the Tigers. Francisco Cervelli will start tomorrow with Jesus Montero going Sunday.
• Here’s the deal with Andrew Brackman – he’s shut down for a few days after complaining of tightness in his groin following his throwing session on Wednesday. Girardi said he’ll do some physical tests on Sunday and if all is good, he’ll get back in action. “It only becomes a setback if it’s a long period of time” that he’s out, Girardi said.
• As for Martin, he will likely play a game at DH early next week then get behind the plate on Thursday or Friday.
• Sounds like neither Mariano Rivera or Rafael Soriano will be in action during the first week of games. For Rivera, that’s not particularly interesting; it’s what he’s done for years. I was a little surprised to hear that about Soriano, though. Girardi said it’s not anything health-related and that Soriano simply said that a little less work was his preference. “I always believe guys have a pretty good understanding of their bodies,” Girardi said.
• Bartolo Colon, who starts tomorrow, will throw two innings or about 35 pitches. He’ll be followed by Joba Chamberlain, Dave Robertson, David Phelps, Hector Noesi and Eric Wordekemper.
• There was no radar gun on Mark Prior’s throwing session but Girardi guessed Prior is throwing near 90 mph. Obviously, Prior is still a longshot to make the team. “I think he understands that there’s a lot of work to be done on his part,” Girardi said. “He has to prove that he can stay healthy and have a good camp. As an organization, you know that you’re going to go through a lot of pitchers over the course of a season. And if the opportunity’s not when we break, it could be later on.”
• Wondering what the Phillies lineup will be tomorrow? According to the Phillies, it’ll be: Rollins SS, Gload DH, Ibanez LF, Howard 1B, Francisco CF, Brown RF, Larish 3B, Schneider C, Valdez 2B.
Blake, never saw ML 3, but Jaws the Revenge is HILARIOUSLY bad. The acting is ludicrously bad (and I LOVE Michael Cain) ? except for the shark.
Still rooting hard for Prior.
Is it sick that after reading the title of this post, I was kind of hoping Sam would have a note about a buffet?
Wondering what the Phillies lineup will be tomorrow? According to the Phillies, it’ll be: Rollins SS, Gload DH, Ibanez LF, Howard 1B, Francisco CF, Brown RF, Larish 3B, Schneider C, Valdez 2B
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Okay, I am ready for GTLU now.
Oh wait.. wrong team
Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Blake, never saw ML 3, but Jaws the Revenge is HILARIOUSLY bad. The acting is ludicrously bad (and I LOVE Michael Cain) – except for the shark.
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I agree and Michael Caine is one of my all-time favorite actors. The original movie “Sleuth” with Sir Lawrence Olivier is one of my top five movies of all times. He’s brilliant in it.
Betances and/or ManBan on Sunday then???
good GTLU hints…just a matter of where to put them.
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yankeefeminista February 25th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
LibertyBoy February 25th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
yf – To clarify, the Yanks have more major-league-ready (by that I include guys with ML exp.) lefties than they have had in recent memory. Maybe in 10 years? Can anyone remember when they had this many veteran lefties suited up plus a hot lefty prospect going into spring? I’m saying something has to give, Yanks have lefties stockpiled like catchers. You can only give lockers out to a limited number at a time. That said, I don’t see a 155-lb young lefty meaningfully projected as an impact starter for the NY Yankees. True, stranger things have happened and I’ll be the first to admit wrongness.
Agree on all Betances points, BTW. Kid has a smooth, on-top delivery and you can see focus in his face.
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I am confused. Which lefty prospect SP’s are you referring to? Or are you referring to the Yanks bp, which isn’t so relevant, I think RE: Banuelos.
Nice to get to see Domonic Brown.
“Is it me or is anyone else having trouble following the conversations today?”
Doreen, I’m not trying.
Just waiting to put up the QOTD, then some telly on a rainy Friday.
upstate kate February 25th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
good GTLU hints…just a matter of where to put them.
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As I always told Fran last season, bat Pena 4th
Erica, my thoughts as well. Must have food on my mind sice it’s lunch time
Betsy,
agree, terrible.
Erica in NY February 25th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Is it sick that after reading the title of this post, I was kind of hoping Sam would have a note about a buffet?
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You, me and CC. (Especially now that he is dieting.) I am sooo hungry.
Can’t get excited about ST. Is there something wrong with me?
Hey Erica,
Why are you giving away my GTLU secrets?
J. Alfred Prufrock February 25th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Betances and/or ManBan on Sunday then???
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How about both?
What great Princeton food are you eating today? Nassau Seafood? I am craving their fish and chips.
It’s 2PM…Do you know where your QOTD is?
“Nice to get to see Domonic Brown.”
yea I agree. Kid has crazy talent but also has some swing issues that if he hasn’t corrected, big league pitchers will really exploit. I think he’ll be good eventually but also think they are really going to miss Werth this season.
Wow, Rachel Ray lost weight!
trisha – true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Can’t get excited about ST. Is there something wrong with me?
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Yes! Watch all our uber-arms, and praise God and “the Jesus,” who will soon be catching them.
QOTD This Yankee was AL Rookie of the Year and that same year contributed six hits and seven runs in the Yankees’ World Series win. Who is he?
Gil McDougald?
I think doing my taxes took everything out of me!
Hint – don’t believe that you can write off what you pay your tax preparer. That’s only if that added into a bunch of other things add up to $13,500, something like that!
blake February 25th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
“Nice to get to see Domonic Brown.”
yea I agree. Kid has crazy talent but also has some swing issues that if he hasn’t corrected, big league pitchers will really exploit. I think he’ll be good eventually but also think they are really going to miss Werth this season.
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Huge hole in his swing, but… still exciting to watch him evolve. & yes, they will indeed miss Werth.
WC, I’ve never seen that movie…..what’s it about? Have you ever seen A Shock to the System? Also, I should be ashamed of liking such a trashy movie, but I always watch Blame it on Rio when it’s on, lol
I love Spring Training….the games are meaningless but the looks you get at young players isn’t. Plus that fact that’s its finally baseball after a long winter.
Erica in NY February 25th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Is it sick that after reading the title of this post, I was kind of hoping Sam would have a note about a buffet?
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I think he’s talking about Jimmy Buffet.
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# LibertyBoy February 25th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
yf, I never said lefty “starters”, you did, and I clarified “MLB-ready” as meaning “any guy who can pitch in the MLB”, that includes Logan, Feliciano, Marte (like I said, he’s injured, but that may or may not affect tradeability b/c he’s a vet lefty with firm LOOGY creds), and yes, I am including Manny B in that. They could probably put him on the mound right now in the Bronx for an inning and he wouldn’t embarass them.
By my count, then, four ML-ready lefties on the roster, 3 of them are actually in camp. Obviously, prospects aren’t the only kind of player that can get dealt.
And when I say “Manny is a starter like Joba is a starter” I mean, isn’t a starter. And when I say he isn’t a starter, I mean he may start sometime, but when the good Lord takes him from this earth, the tombstone will read, “Here Lies Manny Banuelos, An Excellent Lefty Reliever”.
Derek Jeter?
Trisha- that guess is for you.
Derek Jeter!
Both,both
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Funny you ask. I have in the kitchen some snapper cakes I’m going to warm up. I live on Nassau just a little ways past that stretch, within walking distance of Nassau St SF. how much do you hate me?
The F&C are stupid tasty & I always ask them to switch out the tilapia for a wild caught white fish instead. They’re glad to do it with just a little surcharge.
trisha -
I stopped trying!!
Erica -
I definitely do not see a lot of movies.
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I want to do a workout this afternoon, but I’m waiting for a call back from the VW dealer and a delivery from UPS. I KNOW that the second I go downstairs and start, the phone and doorbell will both ring!
So, I’m hanging out on the computer, cleaning up my iTunes library,
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Interruption: Phone Call from VW. My car is IN!!! I pick up tomorrow. Yay.
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Now, for the UPS delivery and I’m set!
“Sleuth” is an amazing film. Sir Lawrence Olivier plays a wealthy and eccentric British crime author and Michael Caine a policeman sent to his house to investigate the disappearance of his wife.
There is no way Bojo should have gotten that so quickly! Yanks had quite a few ROYs the same year they played in World Series. I figured this one would take a while.
Guess I have to do another. And I am going to make it hard hard hard. Maybe I will just give little hints at a time!
“And when I say “Manny is a starter like Joba is a starter” I mean, isn’t a starter. And when I say he isn’t a starter, I mean he may start sometime, but when the good Lord takes him from this earth, the tombstone will read, “Here Lies Manny Banuelos, An Excellent Lefty Reliever”.”
there is no basis for this whatsoever…..did you think the same thing about Santana when he was coming up?
Here Lies Manny Banuelos, An Excellent Lefty Reliever”.
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err…unlikely.
Trisha-
Tax prep fees are an itemized deduction that is subject to 2% of your AGI.
So simply put… if you itemize your taxes and your AGI is $40,000
You can deduct your tax prep fees if they are over $800 (or combined with other 2% deductions)
I just knew there were only so many Yankee ROYs hitters that played in WS in rookie year..McDougal, Kubek, Tresh, Jeter. 1 in 4 chance
WC, sounds interesting – one of these days, I’ll buy it. Have you ever seen Murder by Death? I just taped it recently – I haven’t seen it in years, but if I recall, it’s hilarious. Some rich, eccentric guy (why are all rich people eccentric, lol) summons famous detectives to his mansion (for what purpose, I forget). They are spoofs of Nick and Nora Charles, Columbo, Charlie Chan, Poirot, etc…
Okay I give up. I am going to break down and go to see The King’s Speech. I don’t know why I’ve been fighting it but people say it is fantastic. Watching James Lipton wax poetic about the movie.
You guys are NOT going to believe this, but the UPS truck just pulled up!!!
LOL
Interruption: Phone Call from VW. My car is IN!!! I pick up tomorrow. Yay.
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I haven’t seen that much excitement since they delivered the new phonebook to Navin R. Johnson.
Well, I’m not the one making him out to be Johan Santana.
“Sleuth” had the misfortune of competing with this other movie for an Oscar in 1972….
….something about the Mafia.
: )
trisha – true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Okay I give up. I am going to break down and go to see The King’s Speech. I don’t know why I’ve been fighting it but people say it is fantastic. Watching James Lipton wax poetic about the movie
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I REALLY liked that movie.
And I made fun of my sister a lot when she made me go see it.
It was the first movie I saw in ages that actually held by interest
Now, that’s serendipitous!!
And no more workout excuses……
“Well, I’m not the one making him out to be Johan Santana”
no but you are the one making him out to be a future reliever because of his size….
Doreen February 25th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
You guys are NOT going to believe this, but the UPS truck just pulled up!!!
LOL
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Crap. Now you used all of your excuses and have to workout.
LibertyBoy February 25th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
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# LibertyBoy February 25th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
yf, I never said lefty “starters”, you did, and I clarified “MLB-ready” as meaning “any guy who can pitch in the MLB”, that includes Logan, Feliciano, Marte (like I said, he’s injured, but that may or may not affect tradeability b/c he’s a vet lefty with firm LOOGY creds), and yes, I am including Manny B in that. They could probably put him on the mound right now in the Bronx for an inning and he wouldn’t embarass them.
By my count, then, four ML-ready lefties on the roster, 3 of them are actually in camp. Obviously, prospects aren’t the only kind of player that can get dealt.
And when I say “Manny is a starter like Joba is a starter” I mean, isn’t a starter. And when I say he isn’t a starter, I mean he may start sometime, but when the good Lord takes him from this earth, the tombstone will read, “Here Lies Manny Banuelos, An Excellent Lefty Reliever
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Just trying to understand what you were saying b/c it wasn’t clear to me. So, now I understand you are projecting Manny as a reliever only in mlb. Seems a bit premature and damning, but run with it if that’s what you believe.
Erica, I think that my combination stuff was nowhere near it needed to be to write it off. My guy doesn’t charge me that much.
Murder by Death was good. What an amazing cast huh?
Trisha, you haven’t seen it yet? Of course I’m a fan of George VI ,but it is a PHENOMENAL movie and Colin Firth is beyond incredible.
Trisha,
The King’s speech was great.I think it’s going to win best picture Sunday.
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Doreen,
Congratulations on the car. That’s exciting.
Erica -
You read my mind, obviously.
So, off to the dungeon, er, basement for a date with the kettlebells!
Later!
WC, I don’t remember who was in it aside from Peter Falk…….it’s been so long since I’ve seen it, lol
trisha,
Kings speech was a great movie. It was one of the best of this years Oscar’s crop. I hated True Grit but then again I hate most of the Cohen Brothers movies
Erica, my sister is the one who couldn’t stop talking about it. I saw several of the movies nominated for some awards – True Grit (loved it); Black Swan (hated it); Blue Valentine (ugh! – only thing showing when I wanted to go). I cannot bring myself to watch a movie about boxing, though James Lipton just said that he thinks Christian Bale is going to beat out Jeffrey Rush for Best Supporting Actor for his role in The Fighter.
J. Alfred Prufrock February 25th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Both,both .
Funny you ask. I have in the kitchen some snapper cakes I’m going to warm up. I live on Nassau just a little ways past that stretch, within walking distance of Nassau St SF. how much do you hate me?
The F&C are stupid tasty & I always ask them to switch out the tilapia for a wild caught white fish instead. They’re glad to do it with just a little surcharge.
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Stupid tasty? lol! I *do* hate you; I dream of Nassau Seafood. However, I will get to partake when I am down there on Wed.
& before you ask, still thinking about eating at Ajihei or whatever that Japanese restaurant off Palmer Square is called. However, when north, I have been going to the Mitsuwa Japanese Marketplace in Edgewater, eating fresh cut sushi and other mad good Japanese food, which is pretty darn stupid tasty in its own right.
YF – thanks for tossing the ball back.
How many 5’10″ impact starters are there? Just because a thing is uncomplicated doesn’t mean it should be overlooked in an analysis.
Triple, I absolutely loved True Grit. We ended up seeing it only because Black Swan wasn’t playing when we felt like going to the movies (hated that one too, though). I would never have gone to see True Grit by choice. I thought Jeff Bridges was fantastic. I also like movies that kind of transport me away. (I definitely turned my eyes during the entire snake scene. Are you here MTU?)
Trisha–When is the next installment of QOTD?
Doreen, congrats on the car!
Doreen- congrats on car! I’ve just gotten to read bits and pieces about your adventure.
Bojo – I will ask another one in about five minutes. I’m trying to decide whether I should stick with 8:00 p.m. also. Do you think twice a day is overdoing it? I could always ask two at 2!
There is about a 0% chance that Manny still weighs 155.
Pedro Martinez, Tim Lincecum, Ron Guidry to name a few. Guidry was listed as 5′ 11″ , 161 lbs. Obviously size is good and an advantage in some cases but isn’t something that’s impossible to overcome. Regardless of size, you can either pitch or you can’t..
Trisha-The King’s Speech is excellent. One of the best movies I’ve seen in a long time.
And you’re just in time, considering it’ll probably win Best Picture on Sunday.
This is Manny at 155
http://www.google.com/imgres?i.....38;bih=707
trisha,
I agree Bridges as well as Haley Seinfeld were great in it but westerns aren’t really my thing plus some of scenes were almost pitch black where you could hardly see. I liked Black Swan a lot. Winter’s Bone was a movie that didn’t get a lot of play but was excellent. The girl in that movie was amazing
Trisha–Whatever is easiest for you….
Twice a day will run out faster, but then we’ll be in season.
Kings Speech was an absolutely brilliant film; it should win handily. If Christian Bale doesn’t win Best Supporting Actor; that will be a travesty. I think he will.
Betsy, “Murder by Death” cast:
Truman Capote
Peter Falk
Alec Guinness
David Niven
Peter Sellers
James Cromwell
two of the best LHP in Yankee history were under six feet.
Whitey Ford was 5′ 10″ and Ron Guidry was 5′ 11″.
Stupid tasty? lol! I *do* hate you; I dream of Nassau Seafood. However, I will get to partake when I am down there on Wed.
& before you ask, still thinking about eating at Ajihei or whatever that Japanese restaurant off Palmer Square is called. However, when north, I have been going to the Mitsuwa Japanese Marketplace in Edgewater, eating fresh cut sushi and other mad good Japanese food, which is pretty darn stupid tasty in its own right.
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yankfem – that place is huge! haven’t been up there in a good while,but they have great mushrooms. yea it’s Ajihei. Like I said, at your own risk
.Hope you have a good visit to Princeton.
LibertyBoy February 25th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
YF – thanks for tossing the ball back.
How many 5’10? impact starters are there? Just because a thing is uncomplicated doesn’t mean it should be overlooked in an analysis.
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“A thing is uncomplicated” meaning what? You are a bit obscure, LibertyBoy.
The kid is 19 years old; you have no idea what his body will ultimately look like and how it will or won’t perform.
Further, I don’t recall projecting what he will or won’t be. I only discussed Betances’s front-end projectability today. So, here you are arguing with someone else, not me. However, I would’t presume Banuelos won’t be a starter and a good one. And as I said earlier, only time will tell.
Triple Short of a Cycle February 25th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
trisha,
I agree Bridges as well as Haley Seinfeld were great in it but westerns aren?t really my thing plus some of scenes were almost pitch black where you could hardly see. I liked Black Swan a lot. Winter?s Bone was a movie that didn?t get a lot of play but was excellent. The girl in that movie was amazing
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I’m not a western fan either, but I saw True Grit and loved it. Hailee Steinfeld was amazing in it. I’m hoping she can pull of Supp. Actress
And I agree with you on Black Swan and Winter’s Bone-both excellent movies.
Triple, Winter’s Bone was phenomenal. I saw it at our artsy movie theatre on the East Side (near Brown). It didn’t hit any of our major theatres. I agree the actress (don’t remember her name) was amazing but because the movie didn’t get that much play I don’t think she has a shot. Plus everybody loved Portman’s portrayal. She was excellent, don’t get me wrong. The movie itself was a little too bizarre for my taste.
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I don’t know why I thought the King’s Speech wouldn’t hold my attention but apparently you all loved it.
Agree, he isn’t 155, but he isn’t 195 soaking wet.
JackCurryYES Girardi said all Yank regulars (besides Martin) will get 2 abs vs Phil Sat. Philly reports say Utley, Polanco, Ruiz, Victorino won’t play.
LGY February 25th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
This is Manny at 155
http://www.google.com/imgres?i…..38;bih=707
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Sweet pic. However, he no longer looks like that.
Okay I will do an alternate QOTD and make it harder – so I think. I might skip the 8:00 altogether. No matter what I do, I will definitely stay with the 2:00.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/boxsco.....c_pitmlb_1
trisha – true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Triple, Winter?s Bone was phenomenal. I saw it at our artsy movie theatre on the East Side (near Brown). It didn?t hit any of our major theatres. I agree the actress (don?t remember her name)
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Jennifer Lawrence
Poor Manatees.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/boxsco.....c_detmlb_1
Bobby Shantz was shorter than Banuelos.
Now this question will be given to you in bits and pieces. So because a player fits the first piece doesn’t mean that you’ve gotten it right.
QOTD2 This player made the All Star squad 6 times…
Sorry, I like a good argument, it’s in my genes, I like not taking face value on anything and that’s my peculiarity. I don’t mean anything personal, my tone is sharp because I’m trying to delineate the real from the BS and I get frustrated when others aren’t there with me.
I don’t know how far up he’ll grow at 19 years old especially if he is putting on muscle weight, big difference between 155 and 195, it is all suspicious to me. I have seen teams play with weights and heights. I’ve heard from very good sources that Brackman is more like seven feet even than his listed height.
Looking at the Thunder roster and they list him 5’11, 155lbs which makes it even more confusing.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....38;cid=567
Size for a pitcher has its advantages, creating a downward plane and the perception of durability but it also can have its disadvantages as well. It can be harder for guys to repeat their deliveries and with that comes increase of injury instead of decrease.
All things being equal I prefer big starters, but only if the size is accompanied by good mechanics…..in all I think it’s overrated.
Poor Mocs.
trisha – true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Triple, Winter’s Bone was phenomenal. I saw it at our artsy movie theatre on the East Side (near Brown). It didn’t hit any of our major theatres. I agree the actress (don’t remember her name) was amazing but because the movie didn’t get that much play I don’t think she has a shot. Plus everybody loved Portman’s portrayal. She was excellent, don’t get me wrong. The movie itself was a little too bizarre for my taste.
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I don’t know why I thought the King’s Speech wouldn’t hold my attention but apparently you all loved it.
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Haven’t been trying to see King’s Speech, but haven’t yet. (sigh). My kind of film though. And “Winter’s Bone” sounds interesting, as well.
You mean the Avon? I haven’t been there in ages. Is the Cable Car still in existence? Loved that theatre!
*Have*
When I walked out of The King’s Speech, I said it was one of the best movies I had seen in years. At that point, I had no idea it would win acclaim. I highly recommend it.
Fernando Valenzuela
Did anyone bother seeing the movie with Jeter’s girlfriend in it?
Sorry, let me start again. This YANKEE player made the All Star Squad 6 times.
Good guess LGY!
“Looking at the Thunder roster and they list him 5’11, 155lbs which makes it even more confusing.”
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No one updates height and weight.
Maybe when he gets to the majors websites will put up updated info.
It is the same for every player.
yf, it was the Avon. They’ve done it all over! Not bad. Cable Car is still there too.
austinmac February 25th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
When I walked out of The King?s Speech, I said it was one of the best movies I had seen in years. At that point, I had no idea it would win acclaim. I highly recommend it.
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I actually went back and saw it a second time I loved it so much. (and it helped that I had a free ticket lol)
“Good guess LGY!”
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I actually wasn’t guessing. Was just naming another sub 6 foot pitcher.
Banuelos is not small in the sense that he has a very solid core, and has girth. He also has a very repeatable and effortless delivery. I am sure that as per the new-fangled way of drafting that the Yankees have done all sorts of physiological tests on him and how he projects physically. He also has been very durable. So, while size is a concern sometimes, IMO, it is also a mistake to look at size without any other qualifiers.
I’m just saying that you need long legs to be a runway model in this town, sister. I’m short myself. Short people have no reason to frown. No offense meant to the altitude-inally disadvantaged.
Peace, all.
2nd hint: He was in an All Star Game where the AL shut out the NL.
LGY are you ready for this? Valenzuela made the All Star squad six times!!!
trisha – true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Did anyone bother seeing the movie with Jeter’s girlfriend in it?
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Which one?
girlfriend that is.
trisha – true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Did anyone bother seeing the movie with Jeter?s girlfriend in it?
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No. I’ve heard some not so nice things about it. LOL
Besides, I’ve seen Single White Female, and it’s pretty much the same movie from what I can tell.
Erin, heard the same.
GB –
trisha – true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
yf, it was the Avon. They’ve done it all over! Not bad. Cable Car is still there too.
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Ah, l spent many a night at the Avon, and eating late night food at Andreas (It was the only choice then.). I also used to occasionally go see films down at RISD, and at a drive-in, the only one I think still existed in RI, perhaps. Was it in Lincoln? I can’t remember.
Also is Al Forno still there? It was on Water St. just past Wickenden. Great thin crust pizza.
Valenzuela pitched in the 70′s & 80′s, before the modern era. Yes there’s Lincecum but everyone acknowledges him as The Freak. Both of their deliveries are not what one would deem as “fundamentally sound”. In fact, just the opposite, both of their windups and deliveries are unique, signature, and highly exceptional. Very difficult for hitters to key on and dance to. I’d even say that if I saw a wacko delivery in Manny B I would feel better about his chances as a starter.
I think there have been a lot more 5’10″-5’11″ successful pitchers than 6’10″ guys.
Banuelos: Good stuff right now, maybe o
Erin,
You’re being kind. I heard the movie with Minka was horrible.
One year away !
pardon, 80′s through early 90′s. this is what happens when you work in numbers and comment on LoHud at the same time.
So you would feel better about Banuelos remaining a starter if he didn’t have good mechanics?
Doreen…..I had my birthday dinner last night at The Villa Nova…….
Banuelos is very smooth and has good stuff, why is he being put down?
Yanks know he’s gonna be good.
Gil McDougald
ROY 1951
4 NYY, there aren’t many 5’10 guys nor are there many 6’10 guys. That doesn’t change the point I’m making. My point is Manny is a not a big guy to be keeping that kind of velocity up for a sustained time, no matter how he looks right now, much less as a career starter. Yanks better cash in sooner rather than later, before his elbow or shoulder head south.
YF told me to run with it, so I am.
Fran the original February 25th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Erin,
You?re being kind. I heard the movie with Minka was horrible.
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LOL
Yeah, that’s basically what I heard too.
ibertyBoy February 25th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Valenzuela pitched in the 70?s & 80?s, before the modern era. Yes there’s Lincecum but everyone acknowledges him as The Freak. Both of their deliveries are not what one would deem as “fundamentally sound”. In fact, just the opposite, both of their windups and deliveries are unique, signature, and highly exceptional. Very difficult for hitters to key on and dance to. I’d even say that if I saw a wacko delivery in Manny B I would feel better about his chances as a starter.
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Before the modern era ? LOL I think it started just a LITTLE before that !
Stupid is as stupid posts !
Pat M. February 25th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Doreen…..I had my birthday dinner last night at The Villa Nova…….
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The nova, huh? It’s an omen, Pat.
STOP THE PRESSES!!!! grouchonyy has gotten it!!! Good job groucho!!!
In Manny’s case, I would rather there be some deception in his delivery and I don’t see that. I really feel like the Yanks are looking to cash in on his chips sooner rather than later.
# LibertyBoy February 25th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
4 NYY, there aren’t many 5’10 guys nor are there many 6’10 guys. That doesn’t change the point I’m making. My point is Manny is a not a big guy to be keeping that kind of velocity up for a sustained time, no matter how he looks right now, much less as a career starter. Yanks better cash in sooner rather than later, before his elbow or shoulder head south.
YF told me to run with it, so I am.
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Health issue is with any pitcher. In this case, size doesn’t matter !!!
Run FASTER with it.
It was the first WS I remember (I was almost 5) Gil hit a Grand Slam. When he came up the next game and hit a sac fly, I was disappointed. I learned that the game wan’t that easy.
Oops. grouchonyy, that was a correct answer, but that was for the question I asked before and someone already answered it. We’re on another question if you want to try it out. I’ve given two hints so far. Read my posts at 2:36 and 2:45.
“I’m over on LoHud trying to convince them that Manny B. won’t be a starter. I’m all alone on that one, like I was AJax…maybe…”
Indeed.
These are the first comments I have read that suggest MB should be a reliever.
I’m still trying to figure out what the comments in the previous thread were about. Were you saying that the Yankees are hyping ManBan in order to trade him because they already have Feliciano/Logan/Marte [sic] as lefties in the pen?
“It was the first WS I remember (I was almost 5) Gil hit a Grand Slam. When he came up the next game and hit a sac fly, I was disappointed. I learned that the game wan’t that easy.”
That’s sweet.
yf – we still go to Andreas. I love the food there. The drive-in Lincoln is no longer there. It was called the Lonsdale Drive In. (On Lonsdale Ave.) It’s just an empty lot now. We used to go there all the time too.
When were you in RI? Did you say you went to school here and in Boston?
Banuelos isn’t a power pitcher. He’s a finesse pitcher with power. That’s the difference.
He came up through the California league in ’79, ROY/CYA in ’80, he was mediocre after the 80′s and his stint with the Dodgers. I was four years old when he broke in.
Let’s not cherry pick my comments, I have 6 people disagreeing with me and buying the company line and sooner or later I’ll flub a comment out of sheer whateverness.
The more we harp on Fernando the more we prove my point that small lefty impact starters are exceptional, and the ones that do slip through to the majors do so because of their very exceptionality. Anyone who remembers Fernando pitching remembers the eyes rolled back to the sky and loopyness of the arms and the back and forth of the body. Modern science still hasn’t proven that Lincecum is NOT a collective hallucination. So there.
Manny might have a future but it’s not in six-inning-outings.
methinks with ST games starting tomorrow, it might be a good time to put away the QOTD. Maybe we can pick it up again during AS break, then again in the offseason, after the Yanks win the 2011 World Series.
What do you think?
Charlie Keller?
Pedro Martinez is listed at 5’11″ 170. I’m pretty sure he had a good major league career as a starter at that size. Johan Santana is listed at 6′ 210. I’m guessing that’s generous. He’s had a pretty good major league career as a starter at that size as well.
Joe Gordon…you’re clue threw me at first.
Trisha, if you have 89 different cards, maybe 1 a day on off-days.
Not Charlie Keller.
Third hint: This player hit a two run double in the All Star Game that the AL won 12-0.
GB. That’s it. One a day on off days, 2:00 p.m. How does that sound?
STOP THE PRESSES!!! Bojo got it again!!! The correct answer is Joe Gordon.
Definitely Joe Gordon
Perfect….another know-it-all whose only opinion that matters is his. The place was running short of those.
Joe was quite a star…made a few more appearances in All Star game after leaving the Yankees…which threw me at first. THen I realized your cards are talking only about their time in Yankee uniform.
Trisha,
We’ll be playing GTLU during the week. Maybe we can do QOTD on weekends or off-days.
Sounds great to me. Trisha. It’s going to be difficult for you to get an agreement on times. Seems like 12:00 PM to 2:00 PM and 4:00 PM to 6:00 PM for the times that most people are unavailable on here.
Thanks for the qui Trisha—
C U all later.
trisha – true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
yf – we still go to Andreas. I love the food there. The drive-in Lincoln is no longer there. It was called the Lonsdale Drive In. (On Lonsdale Ave.) It’s just an empty lot now. We used to go there all the time too.
When were you in RI? Did you say you went to school here and in Boston?
And yes, I went to school in Boston.
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lol, I *thought* that drive-in was in Lincoln. That was years ago, so I didn’t even know that I knew the town. Then, I last lived in RI in the late 90′s, finishing grad school, and spent a lot of time on Thayer Street, and at Andreas. Just about when the Yanks were again starting to strut their stuff. lol. You know how much fun that can be.
“Dropped the BBT Brackman/Betances bullpen video links on the current thread with the Brackman groin update. See if there are bites. No reason why there shouldn’t be.”
That and the previous quote are from LibertyBoy’s comment on one of LibertyBoy’s posts on LibertyBoy’s site.
What it all means, I do not know.
Nick – thanks for the click, btw – I am making a bunch of points, forgive the lack of focus.
1) Manny is not a starter, they might be ranking or a making of a sales pitch that he’s a starter, but for my eyes, he’s no starter.
2) it’s highly unusual to have so many proven/veteran lefties relievers on the 40-man roster plus a highly touted lefty prospect. Logan and Feliciano are healthy, Marte is still dealable. Why puff up Manny’s value?
JOE GORDON (New York Yankees 1938-1946)
The Yankees Success in the 1930s carried over into the 1940s as the squad was stocked with All-Star caliber players at nearly every position. Gordon earned six trips to the MLB All-Star Game while with new York, starting the Midsummer Classic at second for the Yankees in 1939, ’40 and ’42. He logged a two-run double in the 1946 gala as the AL won 12-0.
Yankee fans, I present to you Hall of Famer Yankee Joe Gordon!!! http://www.google.com/imgres?i.....29,r:2,s:0
For those that haven’t seen the Blast, they’re playing highlites of the ’64 series. Coming up shortly is the upper deck blast by Mantle to end Game 3
Fran, will definitely do it on off days.
2) it’s highly unusual to have so many proven/veteran lefties relievers on the 40-man roster plus a highly touted lefty prospect.
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Its not unusual if you consider that those are all relievers and manny is a starter who still needs to pitch more than 130 innings in a season before he can be counted on at the major league level. They aren’t going to waste him in relief where it will limit his innings.
Being shown on MLB-TV.
GB, so you think 12-2, and 4-6 are the worst times? How about 3:00?
So you are saying that the Yankees already know that ManBan is not a starter and they are hyping him to cash in, as there’s no need for even his relief services in the Bronx?
That’s probably about right, Trisha, though, it seems office workers are what makes up most of this board, so, that or your 10:00 AM spot. Those are the ones whose preference should matter if it matches yours.
’64 Series, Game #3.
Pedro is another CYA-caliber talent, highly unusual and guess what, a head hunter who at his best cranked it up to the high 90′s consistently and mixed it with devastating junk. He had a quirky delivery as well, not as much as ‘Nando or Freak but it had deception.
I wouldn’t think that Santana’s weight is underestimated, he’s a horse up top, he’s wide as a Cadillac there and his legs are powerful. No comparison, Santana is a pretty big dude.
If I was in the “Manny B is a starter” camp I wouldn’t be throwing Valenzuela, Pedro, or Johan out there, I would be throwing short, mid-level lefty career starters out there for likely career arcs. But I’m not in that camp, so I can’t do it for you.
Nick discovered that I have a site. Holy Shnickeys. Maybe I should have been more transparent when I dropped it myself, oh wait.
Trivia that goes way back.
In the only “scheduled” triple header in MLB ( because of make up game ) only one player got a hit in all 3 games. WHO ?
If anyone knows this off the top of their heads, you are good !!!
This won me a good prize once.
Initials are C. B.
No I’m not saying that they won’t use him out of the pen in the Bronx, I’m saying that he’s no starter. If they ever bring him up, they ought to use him out of the pen. But, with Feliciano and Logan in the fold and Marte on the payroll, someone is getting dealt!
Don’t Ban the Man because of size. ( sorry, ladies )
LB, I suppose Keith Law et al are on the bandwagon b/c they are showing Yankee favoritism? lol. As if…
Also who here is following a “company line?” How do you know where their opinions derive from? Certainly not all from the same place. Wouldn’t that be presumptuous on your part?
As for Banuelos and the pen; not sure what you are referring to here. Manny isn’t on the 40 man.
Anyway, while LibertyBoy runs faster, I will run to the bank. Catch you later if I my velocity spikes.
It’s tough to find good lefty relief, ask the Sox:
http://sports.espn.go.com/bost.....report.com
4 NYY – can you tell us the teams, or will that be a dead give away since you’ve given the initials?
The company line = Manny projects as a starter, and is a top-rated prospect.
If Marte pitches before July in NY, I’d be shocked. He’ll open on the 60 day DL
# LibertyBoy February 25th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
No I’m not saying that they won’t use him out of the pen in the Bronx, I’m saying that he’s no starter. If they ever bring him up, they ought to use him out of the pen. But, with Feliciano and Logan in the fold and Marte on the payroll, someone is getting dealt!
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Marte is just s wee bit on the unhealthy side, I do believe.
Banuelos is very much being groomed as a starter.
See you tomorrow during tomorrow’s run, YF. abrazos.
Well I gotta get ready to go to the movies. Hope it’s as good as everyone says!
I’ll check out the triple-header answer when I get back. Only C.B. I can think of is Charles Barkley!!!
Doreen did you get your Car?
“Nick discovered that I have a site. Holy Shnickeys. Maybe I should have been more transparent when I dropped it myself, oh wait.”
All I did was click on the link, no big discovery, but I do wonder what your motive is — drive hits to some youtube clips?
“Any Yankee fan who doesn’t view this as a legendary clip is a fraud in my book.”
“That might be a little rough for the mainstream threads.
Jrz February 25, 2011 at 11:45 am ”
“rough, aye. that’s the game we play, though.”
To think, he will one day LibertyMan.
*BE LibertyMan
4 NYY, as I understand the lefty market, Marte will find work somewhere unless his career is over after the surgery. If he can recover, someone will take a flyer because he’s a proven role player. Take him out of the question, and you still have Feliciano, another great role player, and Logan, who is not as lauded in the loogy role but is young, healthy, and had a pretty nice showing last year, plus the most highly rated prospect on one of the league’s best organizations, that’s Manny B. I don’t care if Manny B. is getting groomed as a starter, the Yanks hide their cards as good as anyone (for instance, they were standing pat on Swisher at first base in the beginning of December ’08).
risha – true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
4 NYY – can you tell us the teams, or will that be a dead give away since you’ve given the initials?
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Pitt.- Cinn. 1920. Not a big name player.
Actually it was the last triple header played. There were 2 before this.
LibertyBoy February 25th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
The company line = Manny projects as a starter, and is a top-rated prospect.
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whose company line?? Baseball America’s? Maybe Baseball Prospectus & Kevin Goldstein’s? Or are they all just in on the fix with the “company line” of the Yankees, just, y’know, for the eff of it?
From interesting remarks/notes about the Yanks from MLB-Rumors-R-Us:
“Seven years ago today, the Yankees signed Eduardo Nunez as a free agent out of the Dominican Republic. Now 23, Nunez is in the mix to be New York’s utility infielder in 2011 after hitting .280/.321/.360 with more walks (three) than strikeouts (two) in his brief big league debut last season (53 PA).
Here are some more notes that have to do with the Yanks and their fellow AL East clubs…
•Joel Sherman of The New York Post reports that the Yankees “have told their scouts to bear down on several teams they think could have starters available” in a trade this summer. The teams they are targeting include the Braves, Angels, A’s, White Sox, and Cardinals according to Sherman.
•Jayson Werth told SI.com’s Jon Heyman that he had a “great” meeting with the Red Sox earlier this offseason, after which he figured they would offer six years (Twitter link). They only offered five, so he ended up with the Nationals.
•Carl Pavano spoke to Kelsie Smith of The Pioneer Press about being pursued by the Yankees this offseason. “I don’t think [the past] would be a hindrance, but there would have definitely been obstacles,” said Pavano. “I’m not naïve enough to think that there wouldn’t have been things I would have had to overcome, especially the trust of the fans and maybe some of the guys that were there. That’s reality.”
Once again, Nick, you’re way ahead of me, in fact I invite you to transcribe the last three years of my site’s existence in order to further attack my character. While you’re on the site, take advantage of the ample news feeds and humorous photoshops, lists, demotivationals, and by the way I do the site as a fan.
I think Guatemalan street gangs have a similar initiation ceremony, Nick, gosh, I admire you.
If you don’t want to see spring training clips that you don’t see anywhere else, if you don’t want to see a Yankee fan razzing on Jonny Gomes because he clipped Shelley Duncan, if you don’t want to goof on the Mets and Red Sox, you don’t have to hit my site.
I was hoping to start a real discussion, not simply rehash / regurgitate what gets reported. That’s not fun to me, that’s kiddy pool stuff. Some people take disagreement as an insult. Some people seek to frame the one who disagrees in a negative light. It wouldn’t be the first time that’s happened to me.
GB7 – thanks for the info from Sherman. Interesting team that they’re targeting. Buerhle, Ervin Santana, Carpenter….. depending on how things evolve over the season, for both the Yanks and the other teams.
Similarly, I suspect the Yanks have another list of teams that might be interested in SPs, whom – if the Yanks turn out to have an excess – might be trade partners for position players.
BTW, they ask you for your URL when you log in.
Never mind these bullocks and come look at athletes and their celebrity look-a-likes including Swish, Joba and AJ.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....itics.html
‘zona vs SF. Not my preference, but, it is live baseball
I like that the Yanks are selling Rothschild as a guru and attracting vet starters in a down market.
BJ, the AJ & Joba ones are pretty much money.enjoy the weekend games, all.
Joe from Long Island February 25th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
GB7 – thanks for the info from Sherman. Interesting team that they’re targeting. Buerhle, Ervin Santana, Carpenter….. depending on how things evolve over the season, for both the Yanks and the other teams.
Similarly, I suspect the Yanks have another list of teams that might be interested in SPs, whom – if the Yanks turn out to have an excess – might be trade partners for position players.
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I wonder if Cashman might be looking at Gavin Floyd or maybe go for broke on Jon Danks or Jared Weaver?
Combative much?
Your own comments will frame the light in which you are viewed, but I can see how you might have gotten into some trouble in the past.
Thanks for your initial responses, now I have a better idea about your opionions about ManBan.
Bronx Jeers February 25th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Never mind these bullocks and come look at athletes and their celebrity look-a-likes including Swish, Joba and AJ.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo…..itics.html
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That’s hilarious!! I laughed hardest at AJ’s and also Ben Keisel. It’s not very often you find somebody who looks like Yukon Cornelius
This looks suspiciously like an idiot that shows up with his own views of yankee baseball…one that nobody agrees with. Has Larry changed his name again? Or is this his twin brother and it’s his day to borrow the brain cell?
Weaver is a Boras client so I can see the Angels moving him at some point but they should be competive past the deadline Id imagine……same with the ChiSox…….Danks would look great in pinstripes though. I think Carpenter might be the most likely candidate at the moment…..
Its fine if you want to believe Manny B is a future reliever but you’ve given no logical reasoning to support your view……its unfounded pessimism.
GB7 – Well, Weaver isn’t a past-his-prime OF, so Arte Moreno may not be interested in having him on the team. (Is Scott Boras his agent? that would seal it.)
As far as trading with the White Sox, it’s Kenny Williams, so I guess anything’s possible.
GB7
Thanks for the Casey link the other day. I’ve read part of it before, but never the whole thing. If I had to follow that, I’d probably answer the same as Mantle. Considering that no one knew what exactly he was talking about, I don’t think you’d have to worry about perjury charges.
listening to the Giants vs. Diamondbacks on mlb.com…I don’t care about either team, but it nice to hear live baseball on the radio. Can’t wait for the Yanks/Phillies game tomorrow
Its fine if you want to believe Manny B is a future reliever but you’ve given no logical reasoning to support your view
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Not true!
He’s clearly listed 2 facts to support his claim.
A. He’s shorter than most pitchers
B. His delivery is conventional.
Like a Mexican Whitey Ford. El Gringito!
Would the Braves be willing to move Tim Hudson? It might take more than the Yanks are willing to give up considering he’s signed to a club-friendly contract ($9M/per thru 2013), but when healthy he’s just the type of shutdown innings-eater they need.
Id love Hudson but I don’t think the Braves will move him unless the deal is a significant win for them. They are going to give the Phils a run for their money….
KPB February 25th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
GB7
Thanks for the Casey link the other day. I’ve read part of it before, but never the whole thing. If I had to follow that, I’d probably answer the same as Mantle. Considering that no one knew what exactly he was talking about, I don’t think you’d have to worry about perjury charges.
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You’re most welcome, KPB. Casey was a National treasure…unless you played for him. The story about his wife and Jim Coates was a riot, as was his remarks about Richardson and Kubek.
In A’s intersquad game, Crisp stepped in against Braden in a jersey that said A-Rod on the back and Braden threw behind him.
Sad that Matsui is playing with these clowns.
29 pitchers from 1975+ have been left handed, 6′ or under, and thrown more than 90 games in their career.
Here are some: Kazmir, Wandy Rodriguez, Odalis Perez, Randy Wolf, Mike Caldwell, Greg Hibbard, Mike caldwell, Santana, Vida Blue, Hampton, Moyer, Glavine, Guidry, etc
Joe from Long Island February 25th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
GB7 – Well, Weaver isn’t a past-his-prime OF, so Arte Moreno may not be interested in having him on the team. (Is Scott Boras his agent? that would seal it.)
As far as trading with the White Sox, it’s Kenny Williams, so I guess anything’s
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Joe, I believe that Boras is Waver’s agent. That could get interesting as it develops.
Jeers
Lol yea….if only he had a worse delivery. He’d be an A lister
KPB, the text of that Senate hearing is funny as Hell, but, there is some videos of it that’s even better. I’ll try to find it.
Skipping to the bottom a bit -
Pat M -
Happy Birthday! I know you enjoyed your birthday dinner. If only I could get back there as easily…
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comet -
I am picking my car up tomorrow morning. I just called the insurance people and XM to find out what to do with my account.
What I found out was that the delay was because it was very difficult to find the particular color I wanted. And there are three other people waiting for that color after me. I guess I’m more high maintenance than I thought.
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pat –
As I’m typing, I’m seeing your 4:22 post about the A’s intrasquad game. That really happened??? Sigh.
If you look at the picture day photo of ManBan, he is built.
As things ate between Boras and the Angels its tough to see Weaver signing an extension there…..who knows but I bet they move him at some point but probably next year.
Sanana and Banuelos have similar builds…..hence the comparisons.
YankeesWFAN Colon, Joba, Robertson, Phelps, Noesi, Wordekemper all scheduled to pitch Sat vs. Phillies. Sun-Nova at Phillies, Mon-CC at Tigers.
GB7
A question I have from it is, what is pay-as-you-go television? They mentioned it a few times. Are they referring to what is now cable?
Doreen,
Better that you are more “high maintenance” than your new car is.
GB7 -
You can say that again!
YankeesWFAN Sat game preceded by dedication of George Steinbrenner statue.
SI_JonHeyman Best purchase of day: goobers at nationals camp concession stand for $1 (u can’t even get them at movies anymore)
I guess you really are what you eat ……
Doreen
Congrats on getting the new car! And I don’t think it’s high maintenance to get what you want if your paying for it.
Manny B: http://tinyurl.com/6jner92
Look at this sexy man, you tellin me he is a reliever?
KPB, I think that is what’s no “pay-per-view”. Odd that the first cable started out west when a guy couldn’t pick up tv signals on his antrnna. He set up a tower on a hill and ran a wire to his TV and then sold “space” to others after setting up a couple of antennas.
Starting tomorrow, triple chin followed by double chin.
In a triple header between the Pittsburgh Pirates and Cincinnati Reds on October 2, 1920, Clyde Barnhart got a hit in each game.
pat February 25th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
In A’s intersquad game, Crisp stepped in against Braden in a jersey that said A-Rod on the back and Braden threw behind him.
Sad that Matsui is playing with these clowns.
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Throwing at your own teammate. Classy.
correction
KPB, I think that is what’s ***now*** “pay-per-view
BJ, if you had said “El Chairman del Boardo”, I would have laughed with you.
Eric Duncan was a first round draft pick one of the top rated Yankee prospects for three years running. Who’s Eric Duncan? He’s the corner infielder that was “being groomed” for the corners, right before they got ARod and a little later, Tex. Where’s Eric Duncan now? Good question.
Baseball America rates a lot players, in fact they make a lot of ratings, but if their ratings equaled reality, we wouldn’t play the season.
That said, while you can repeat their rankings or projections and call it fact, don’t criticize the guy who says they need a grain of salt and offers a pinch. Sorry if it’s too spicy for some, I didn’t mean to break up your pantha party.
blake February 25th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
SI_JonHeyman Best purchase of day: goobers at nationals camp concession stand for $1 (u can?t even get them at movies anymore)
I guess you really are what you eat ??
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Erica in NY
Throwing at your own teammate. Classy.
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He’s just getting the word out early that the mound belongs to him.
blake February 25th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
SI_JonHeyman Best purchase of day: goobers at nationals camp concession stand for $1 (u can’t even get them at movies anymore)
I guess you really are what you eat ……
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A “Gomer” eating “Goobers”
GB7
Amazing how something so simple can turn into so much money. Never knew about how cable got started.
heyman goober…hahahaha
I can’t be the only one that feels like LibertyBoy is speaking in code, right???
KPB, not sure where I read that on the internet, but, the guy was surrounded by mountains. Not sure if he started cable, but, it did the trick for him. This was back in the early ’50s, I believe. I’ll try to locate it.
“I’m over on LoHud trying to convince them that Manny B. won’t be a starter. I’m all alone on that one, like I was AJax…maybe…”
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Wait. I think I figured it out.
LibertyBoy is saying Ajax is going to be a LOOGY.
Or is it that Manny is going to be a CF?
Does Manny B really weigh only 155?
I’m assuming that “Libertyboy” and his little board buddies are about 11-12 years old and just learned to swear on the internet.
This is just what we need here.
“Does Manny B really weigh only 155?”
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Not even close.
KPB, here’s one of the cable articles. It wasn’t out west, but in Pennsylvania
http://inventors.about.com/lib.....vision.htm
Wave: http://tinyurl.com/6jner92
Look at this man, he does not weigh 155. This is no Edwar Ramirez. That is a mexican bulldog.
I predict that Joba will spit a LOOGY at some point in 2011.
jerkface-
Yeah, I know, that pic inspired the question. Maybe baseball reference weighed him when he signed three years ago.
Anyway, you can be a little lefty starter. Only little righties are required to proceed directly to the pen.
Baseball reference doesn’t weigh anyone, they take the team’s listed weight. So its probable that the Yankees just never updated it, because why bother?
Im guessing he’s 180-190….an article the other day had him at 195 though. Either way, he’s filled out significantly
Wave,
The pic I posted at 223 is when he weighed 155.
Only little righties are required to proceed directly to the pen.
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And even this is only because of ‘conventional wisdom’. Even in the 70s and 80s, scouts were questioning ‘Why are little righties bad?’ , no one could come up with an effective answer. Its a vicious cycle.
Somewhere down the dark path of baseball history, it was decided small righties were not going to make effective pitchers. Small righties don’t get scouted as hard. They don’t receive as much instruction. They don’t get pushed to succeed. And then suddenly hardly any of these small righties are having success and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
“Baseball reference doesn’t weigh anyone, they take the team’s listed weight.”
jerkface, I know that. What emoticon denotes irony?
“The pic I posted at 223 is when he weighed 155.”
But those Latin eyes haven’t changed…
I don’t know, Wave, yer trippin me up.
JF-
The problem is there’s nothing to talk about yet so somebody’s got to argue MB is a reliever when the only time he was really used that way was back when he really did weigh 155.
If you haven’t figured it out LGY, I was talking to someone else about AJax on a WHOLE OTHER SITE, a debate I had when they were touting AJax as the heir apparent to centerfield, the next DiMaggio, the next Bernie, the next, oh wait he was just trade bait.
I didn’t drop that quote here, you guys did. Again, thanks for the hits.
So far I know this much:
1) I say that Manny B. isn’t starter stuff, and I disregard rankings and toutings completely. Some of you guys disagree. I’m fine with that.
2) I further contend that I don’t think he’s big enough in stature to sustain mid-90′s velocity and keep his health intact, it’s rare. I consider it suspicious that his weight is somewhere between 155 lbs and 195 lbs, depending upon the timing of the measurement, which should be a red flag that there is BS in the 195 lbs listing, or, if he did indeed put on 40 lbs, that’s an even bigger warning flag that he’s putting too much stress on his body. It’s not easy to put 40 lbs on a 5’10 or 5’11 frame in a healthy and sustainable manner.
3) It is argued that I am wrong about the rarity of small starters. Examples are dropped: Valenzuela, Pedro, and Johan (I won’t mention Lincecum b/c I brought him up, I’m surprised no one else mentioned him). I comment that all of those pitchers were exceptional, Cy Young pitchers. I suggest that Banuelos does not seem exceptional to me, that I would be more comfortable predicting his success as a starter (or at least, his future as a starter) if there was something unusual about his bearing, his delivery, etc.
To me he’s a smaller guy that put on some muscle but there is only so much he can pack in to that frame. He does not look like Johan in what I’ve seen, in fact, in the vid I dropped it appears that while Joe Girardi has smaller hips he has wider shoulders than Manny, there is no way he has Johan’s shoulders.
Manny weighed 155 3 years ago. Its inconceivable that a 16 year old mexican kid entered the united states and has gained weight thanks to the resources of the number 1 sports franchise in the world?
Thanks for that photo, he’s a midget with big shoulders. Swisher is listed as 210. I met the guy, now there’s a 195 pounder.
**LibertyBoy February 25th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
If I was in the “Manny B is a starter” camp I wouldn’t be throwing Valenzuela, Pedro, or Johan out there, I would be throwing short, mid-level lefty career starters out there for likely career arcs. But I’m not in that camp, so I can’t do it for you.**
Putting aside for the time being that Manny could very well be a top level starter with the stuff he has, which you refuse to acknowledge, here you go:
Wandy Rodriguez- 5’11 196
Randy Wolf- 6’0 198
Gio Gonzalez 6’0 208
Jason Vargas 6’0 215
Rickey Romero 6’0 210
Jaime Moyer 6’0 185
Scott Kazmir 6’0
By the time Manny hits the bigs, he’ll be at about 200. 5’11, 200 is right in the same range as these guys, plus the stars mentioned previously.
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Or just naturally filled out between 17 and 20?
It’s totally possible he puts on mass, but if that’s the case, I further contend he won’t be a starter.
Listen, you guys keep listing ways that I’m wrong and we’ll return to the subject down the road.
Or just naturally filled out between 17 and 20?
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Perish the thought, Manny is a 4’11 110 pound reliever
Baseball America rates a lot players, in fact they make a lot of ratings, but if their ratings equaled reality, we wouldn’t play the season.
That said, while you can repeat their rankings or projections and call it fact, don’t criticize the guy who says they need a grain of salt and offers a pinch. Sorry if it’s too spicy for some, I didn’t mean to break up your pantha party.
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I’m going to assume you are deliberately misunderstanding because the alternative doesn’t flatter you.
You said ManBan’s projecting as a starter and being a top-rated prospect is a “company line.” I asked you which company would that be, since the Yankees don’t rank their own guys, but independent scouting sites do. Nowhere did I endorse Baseball America or Baseball Propectus as the final word on prospects.
The point was that it is FACTUAL that Banuelos IS a highly-rated prospect and is projected as a starter, not whether those independent assessments of him are right or wrong, and that the Yankees’ “company line” can’t be extended to outlets who are not a part of their “company.”
The trouble is, you can’t seem to stay focused on your own argument, and you still haven’t answered my question on how those organizations, which are not on the Yankee payroll but are independent, qualify as a “company line” by viewing Banuelos as a top prospect and future starter? I never asked your opinion on whether those guys are smart analysts, nor did I give you mine on the subject. “Spicy”? Try incoherent.
It’s totally possible he puts on mass, but if that’s the case, I further contend he won’t be a starter.
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How does this statement make sense?
I did mention Lincecum and Guidry who was listed at 161……
LibertyBoy, you have a perfect right to think he’ll turn into a reliever, plenty of nuttier beliefs get advanced here. But supporting your point with what the kid weighed at 16 or 17 isn’t exactly convincing.
“He is too scrawny to be a starter!”
“He has gained weight and will continue to gain weight.”
“Aha! More proof that he can’t be a starter!”
I could say the sky will turn green tomorrow and while it might…..if I didn’t provide reasonable reasons why I felt it would then its not worth talking about.
I can’t tell if Libertyboy is someone who is so misguided that he thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room, or just gets his rocks off making ridiculous arguments anonymously online.
Ok 2, now we’re talking. From that list Moyer is exceptional in that his career arc is way out of the curve, so to speak, he was middling talent turned horse, and maybe you could say Scottie K is a bit exceptional for the pretty solid seasons he put up. K had a solid high-90s fastball in his best seasons, peaked young at 23 with the Rays. I don’t know where his fastball sits now, but I do know where his K/9 is and that’s on the down slope. He’s 26 years old.
I just don’t see this guy as a career impact starter, I can refuse to acknowledge anything, he has proven nothing. I say he’s trade bait. That’s not to say he might be in the Bronx at some point. That’s to say I don’t believe the Yanks have long term plans for him, like they did for Hughes, for example.
I didn’t say he’s too scrawny.
# BoJo February 25th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
In a triple header between the Pittsburgh Pirates and Cincinnati Reds on October 2, 1920, Clyde Barnhart got a hit in each game.
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That’s correct. I’m assuming you looked it up, but if you didn’t, I say WOW ! I know national sports trivia champion that didn’t know the answer.
3) It is argued that I am wrong about the rarity of small starters. Examples are dropped: Valenzuela, Pedro, and Johan (I won’t mention Lincecum b/c I brought him up, I’m surprised no one else mentioned him). I comment that all of those pitchers were exceptional, Cy Young pitchers. I suggest that Banuelos does not seem exceptional to me, that I would be more comfortable predicting his success as a starter (or at least, his future as a starter) if there was something unusual about his bearing, his delivery, etc.
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Not exeptional? He’s one of the highest ranked pitchers in the entire minor leauges. He has plenty of velocity and doesn’t need a Lincecum type delivery to throw at that velocity. Santana did not blow hitters away with 98mph fastballs. It was his fastball accuracy combined with an excellent changeup that made him successful. That’s where the comparison comes from.
Wave, thanks for your backhand, but that’s NOT the point. The point is I don’t feel this guy is an impact starter, and I don’t think the Yanks really plan to depend on him going forward five years.
and I don’t think the Yanks really plan to depend on him going forward five years.
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why?
Jack, Santana has the frame that he can deliver that quality over a career. MB doesn’t.
And here I was thinking there was no company line. Goodnight all, peace out and sleep well, dreaming of Manny B’s herculean shoulders delivering complete games boiling with 95 mph heat.
Yes, there’s no long term plans to Banuelos. They refuse to include him in trades just to screw with your mind.
My final on MANBAN, he’s got good stuff with great control. Excellent shot at being a very good starting pitcher in MLB, hopefully with Yanks !
uh, thought you said his projection & prospect status IS based on a company line (although you never identified this “company”). Whelp, thanks for the acid trip.
P.S. He is very smooth and does not overtax his arm in his delivery of 92-95 FB.
So, great control, outstanding change, good curve and FB is not enough ?
4 NYY February 25th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
P.S. He is very smooth and does not overtax his arm in his delivery of 92-95 FB.
So, great control, outstanding change, good curve and FB is not enough ?
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I guess not.
yanks covet lefties who thrive in their home park and have fallen all over themselves running after other people’s ancient LHP. Like they’re gonna trade the first really good one they’ve developed since Andy Pettitte, even though he’s on the fast track and is only 19. Makes sense.