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Torre to join MLB and other assorted links

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Feb 25, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Earlier this afternoon MLB sent out an email saying that Bud Selig will have a “major announcement” tomorrow and word is that Joe Torre will be introduced as the new executive vice president for operations. It’s a great job for Torre and a great hire for MLB, who will surely benefit from Torre’s history in the game and strong communication skills. Torre still lives in LA, but you’d have to figure business will bring him to New York some, so maybe we’ll see him at Yankee Stadium now and again?

In other Friday night links …

• If you haven’t seen it already – and I know Chad mentioned it the other day – the great Harvey Araton did a terrific piece on Yogi Berra and Ron Guidry. If you’re a Yankees fan, it’s pretty much a guaranteed ear-to-ear grin.

• Apparently there’s a movie in the works about former Yankee Mike Kekich and the whole wife-swapping saga of the 1970′s. Not surprisingly, Kekich would prefer that the movie not be made.

• Still angry about Cliff Lee going to the Phillies? You’re not alone. Paul Simon is mad, too.

• The Red Sox and Phillies are right there with the Yankees in terms of projected Opening Day payrolls.

Have a great night. Check back tomorrow for plenty of blogging on the – can you believe it? – first game action of the season.

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386 Responses to “Torre to join MLB and other assorted links”

  1. Against All Odds February 25th, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    # GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    OUCH!!! TFF

    ” Ledger_Yankees Star Ledger
    RT @therealarieber: Heard this: The #Mets got that $25 million loan after they were turned down by “The Money Store.” Holy Cow!”

    ——————————

    Everyday the Mets deal with more bad news.

  2. Donna L February 25th, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Wonderful story about Berra and Guidry. I never saw Yogi play (although of course I used to read about him when I was a kid), but remember Guidry from the beginning of his career. It still bothers me a little that he didn’t get MVP in 1978. I was at his 18-strikeout game against the Angels (I think) in June of that year, the game at which the two-strike clap supposedly started. So I guess I was part of history, because I do remember standing and clapping late in the game every time he got two strikes on anyone. What a season! I was going to law school then up in the Boston area, and although I didn’t go to the playoff game — I was way too nervous about it to do anything other than sit at home in front of the TV, where my superstitious magic worked best — I did go to one of the games in the Boston Massacre series. I was sitting very near the Yankee bullpen, and watching Gossage warm up was the closest I’ve ever been, before or since, to someone throwing that hard.

  3. Chase February 25th, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    Paul Simon is not a true fan at all. What a phony.

  4. Chase February 25th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Woops, thought he was the one saying “”Something amazing happens,” he said. “You lose your affinity for your hometown team. I’m a tried-and-true Phillies fan now. And it was borne out when the [2009] World Series between the Yankees and Phillies was happening. Now I’m an official Phillies fan.” Guess it was the other guy.

  5. Nat February 25th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    Posted these and says it’s awaiting moderation. Don’t know how long it will take so I’ll post them in separate links. Stories about Alex working with younger players.

    Working with Twins’ Danny Valencia

    http://www.mercedsunstar.com/2.....-less.html

  6. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    No lie. Perfect al dente pasta in the microwave.

    :)

    Time to eat it! I’ll share my secret later if anyone wants it.

    :)

  7. Nat February 25th, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    Working with Orioles’ Manny Machado

    http://www.masnsports.com/stev.....ation.html

  8. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Guidry is/was a special pitcher, but, more than anything, he’s a special person…as you can tell from this article. In his biography, the writer talked about the relationship he has with his younger brother, who is mentally handicapped. he never went anywhere without him. Taught him how to play baseball and taught him to hunt and fish. He never treated his brother as anything but his brother. Quite a story.

    Yogi is still Yogi. Guidry treats him the same as Yogi’s old team mates did, but, just keeps a quiet eye out for his safety.

  9. blake February 25th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    According to the link the Yankees future payroll commitments are $498 million…..the Red Sox will have $465 million once Gonzalez’s extension is official…….looks like the “evil empire” has company on the dark side.

  10. m February 25th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    There’s a plastic microwavable container you can cook spaghetti in. Only about an inch or two of water above the pasta. About 8 minutes and you have perfect al dente pasta.

  11. Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    http://respectjetersgangster.b.....staff.html

    Among the challenges Russell Martin faces this Spring Training, is getting to know all of his pitchers. The fact that the Yankees don’t really know who all of those pitchers are doesn’t help, but even getting to know the three certain members of the rotation in such a short time may prove difficult.

    “It’s important to get off on the right foot,” explained Martin. “Like the first day I got to camp, there’s this kid sitting in the clubhouse. He was just sitting there, looking at me. So I signed a baseball and gave it to him. Turns out that was Phil Hughes. He’s still not talking to me. So that’s not a good example.”

    ***

    What on earth is this about?

  12. tyanksfan36 February 25th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Nat

    Those are two good articles, I like that Alex has gotten over himself and now uses his talent and knowledge of the game to help other people who are just coming into MLB. I don’t really care that he works out with other teams players, he really has turned himself around.

  13. m February 25th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    That story about Martin and Hughes is hilarious!

  14. Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    I mean, that does not sound like Phil; there’s no excuse for him to be so rude……

  15. Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    M, it’s not funny to me – I have no clue why Phil would be treating Martin like that.

  16. m February 25th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Betsy,

    That was the punch line.

  17. SAS February 25th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    Loved the story about Yogi and Guidry.

  18. Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    I don’t get it……..Phil stares at him, Martin gives him an autograph and he still isn’t speaking to him? Weird.

  19. West Coast Yankee Fan February 25th, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Betsy it was a joke!

  20. Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Ok, well it was a bad joke……..

  21. m February 25th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Martin was trying to make the point that Hughes is very young and very established.

  22. blake February 25th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Maybe Martin should have realized that the 6’5″ guy that looks like a big league player sitting in the clubhouse could be a teammate……..that whole story sounds made up to me.

  23. blake February 25th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    Ok it is made up….got it.

  24. Deal With It February 25th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    Deal With It February 25th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
    SAS February 25th, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    Sure thing. Just saying it makes the draft part only, simpler. Then everyone has to manage his or her team for the season.

    tyanksfan36 February 25th, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    I think so too and if you really like a couple of players you can prioritize them to the top of the list in the auto draft which makes it fun when you get ‘your guys’ early.

  25. Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    M, I don’t see it how that’s the point he was trying to make; the point the blogger made in posting it was that Martin is going to have a hard time getting to know all these pitchers, even just the established first 3.

  26. West Coast Yankee Fan February 25th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    The whole thing is made up. Here’s another about Soriano and Mo.

    Boy Meets His Idol

    Among the new faces at camp this year is off-season target, well, sort of, Rafael Soriano. A closer turned set-up man, Soriano recently got to meet his boyhood idol, Mariano Rivera, when Mo finally arrived in camp (Mo does what he wants).

    “It was a strange first meeting,” recounted Soriano. “When you close, you want to be the best, and Mo is the best. I alway tried to emulate him. When we met, I’m all, ‘Hi I’m Rafael, like the ninja turtle.’ He’s all, ‘I’m Mo, as in way mo’ saves than you, %!*@#’ I wept for days. Why would you introduce yourself to someone like that? But then Jeter pointed out that Mo did have way more saves than me. But I’m like, ‘He didn’t need to call me a %!*@# though!’ And Jete’s all, ‘You’ve been weeping for days!’ So I guess Mo was right on both counts.”

  27. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Martin wasn’t having his best day apparently. First Hughes and then Burnett:

    “Besides trying to get Phil Hughes to acknowledge him in public, Martin is also trying to build a good rapport with the Yankees’ most enigmatic pitcher, AJ Burnett.

    “Everyone knows he’s got great stuff, it’s just getting him to harness it,” says Martin about his job as AJ’s catcher. “He’s got tattoos too. Funny story, the first day I walked into the clubhouse, there’s this guy with spiked hair and a bunch of tattoos, kind of looking like a high school drop out who had made a series of increasingly poor life decisions. I’m all, ‘Hey dude, not to be a d@#k, but you’ve gotta do a better job cleaning this place up. There’s $#!% all over the place!’ Turns out that was Burnett. People should wear name tags the first day of camp. Really.”

  28. Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Blake, how do you figure it’s made up? Are you saying the blogger posted fake quotes from Martin?

  29. tyanksfan36 February 25th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    Haha, that hughes story was beyond dumb. True story though, my boss says she now likes Phil because I told her he is a TB Lightning fan which is her favorite professional sports team.

  30. Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    Seriously, if this guy made all this up, he’s got to get a new day job – awful (though granted, I fell for it)

  31. Nat February 25th, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    Is there a link to the story that contains the quotes Betsy?

  32. m February 25th, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    Next you’ll hear a joke that Martin was looking for The Big Guy, but didn’t realize he lost 25 lbs.

    They’re just jokes.

  33. blake February 25th, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    Betsy,

    I was thinking Martin made it up…..

  34. Deal With It February 25th, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    The Yogi and Gator article was terrific. What a neat story about their relationship and friendship, heart warming to say the least. Thanks so much LoHud (Sam)

    1st game is right around the corner, GO YANKEES ! Nice chatting with you guys and gals.

  35. Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    Nat, I posted it.

    Blake, then Martin had better not quit HIS day job, lol

  36. jankees27 February 25th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    SS Jeter
    RF Swisher
    1B Teixeira
    3B Rodriguez
    2B Cano
    DH Posada
    CF Granderson
    CF Gardner
    C Cervelli

  37. West Coast Yankee Fan February 25th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    What’s wrong with a humorous blog? It’s obviously not real.

  38. blake February 25th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    I agree that it was pretty lame and not all that funny….

  39. blake February 25th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    But harmless.

  40. Nat February 25th, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    I saw the link to the blog post. But I meant a link to Martin’s quotes. I didn’t see a link so I don’t buy it. I’ve been offline all day but I’d think those comments would have surfaced somewhere other than there. That’s why I didn’t react as if it was real when I read it.

  41. tyanksfan36 February 25th, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    I think you would call that a satirical piece. Like The Onion.

  42. West Coast Yankee Fan February 25th, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    From the same blogger:

    “Everyone was building mansions last year.” Explained Hank Steinbrenner. “Donald Trump, Jay-Z, Colonel Sanders, all of them. It wasn’t just Jeter.”

    But when told that none of those individuals play for the Yankees, Steinbrenner gave a more complete explanation.

    “Look, mansion building distracts baseball players. It doesn’t matter if you’re the one building it or not. Every day I’d walk in the clubhouse and the players would be reading the latest news on Donald Trump’s new mansion. I’d ask them why they weren’t taking batting practice and they’d tell me, they were more interested in the bathroom curtains that Trump was choosing for his latest monstrosity.”

    So there you have it, Hank was not actually refering to Derek Jeter’s mansion, but mansion building in general, which apparently acts as a distraction to baseball players everywhere.

  43. m February 25th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Jeter’s manse is sooooo big it distracted the whole team!

  44. Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    The Onion is funny, though.

    WC, nothing wrong with it, but I thought it was, as Blake said, completely lame.

  45. West Coast Yankee Fan February 25th, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    Well humor is certainly very subjective. There are so many comedians that I just don’t think are funny that others love. And vice-versa.

  46. Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    You’re right, humor is subjective; the fact that I fell for it doesn’t help any and the fact that the Knicks embarrassed themselves in Cleveland definitely doesn’t help, lol

  47. West Coast Yankee Fan February 25th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    They were definitely over confident. Hope they got that out of their system.

  48. tyanksfan36 February 25th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    Betsy

    That’s because the people who write for the onion are professionals. Any idiot who thinks they are funny can make their own blog. The writers for the onion make some stories that are totally believable because they are great at what they do.

  49. Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    I didn’t see much of the game as I was out to dinner, but they had these games even before the trade……..I’m not going to panic at all, but this is just how the team is going to be for the rest of the season. They’ll have good games and they’ll have bad games – that’s what a .500 team does.

  50. tyanksfan36 February 25th, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    Oh and while we are talking about funny stories, the Tampa Tribune did a piece this morning on the Yankees mansions and properties in Tampa and they mentioned Francisco Cervelli having a place in Channelside. Doesn’t Cervelli make the league minimum? I definitely think they were stretching there to include him in the Yankee millionaires with mansions category.

  51. Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    TYanksfan, good point……….The guy has every right to blog, of course. Maybe at another time I would have seen right through it, but obviously not tonight, lol.

  52. KPB February 25th, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    Just got home from watching Gnomeo & Juliet with my neighbors and their kids. Some parts were pretty funny.

    Reading through the posts I’m confused. Was the guy joking or doing a humor piece?

  53. SAS February 25th, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    tyanks,

    Cervelli may make the minimum, but it is still big bucks. Maybe he rents in that community.

    Joba is make about 1.5 million this year, and he hasn’t been that good. Where he comes from, he is a rich man.

    I hope all these guys put away most of the money for the time they won’t be making huge sums.

  54. SAS February 26th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    *making about

  55. KPB February 26th, 2011 at 12:01 am

    That should be serious or making a humor piece.

  56. m February 26th, 2011 at 12:01 am

    So that was satire? I guess I should have read the whole thing!

  57. tyanksfan36 February 26th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    Betsy

    Don’t feel bad, I don’t think you were the only one. And I think we have all had moments where we were a bit more gullible than we would like to admit.

    Also, I’m watching “The Other Guys” in honor of Spring Training.

  58. KPB February 26th, 2011 at 12:05 am

    SAS

    Don’t know if you saw my response earlier, but I wanted to congratulate you on your newest addition. And also thanks for letting me be the first that you told. I’m sure others here will be jealous, but I think we can take them. :smile:

  59. Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 12:06 am

    I should have known it was a joke (bad) because Phil collects autographs and (at least he used to) spends time on baseball card message boards. The real Phil would have been very happy with a signed baseball!

  60. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2011 at 12:07 am

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Torre tries to get MLB to stop counting the innings of setup relievers.

  61. SAS February 26th, 2011 at 12:08 am

    KPB,

    I did…thank you so much, and I responded to you, but you had left for the movies or whatever.

  62. tyanksfan36 February 26th, 2011 at 12:15 am

    SAS

    Well Channelside is a nice area, lots of fancy highrise condos. The Tampa Tribune seems to have a slant in their articles about the Yankees. I think they were really reaching when including Cervelli in that article, he makes less than Longoria and most of the Rays.

  63. KPB February 26th, 2011 at 12:16 am

    Betsy

    I remember reading a story a couple of years ago about people trashing him on one of the card forums. One person kept defending him relentlessly and one day he got a message asking if he’d like some Hughes memorabilia. Figuring he had nothing to lose he said yes and gave address. A few weeks went by and a box showed up full of autograph memorabilia from Hughes. As it turned out he had been watching on the boards and saw the defense of him.

  64. Pat M. February 26th, 2011 at 12:19 am

    I always find it most interesting how when Joe Torre was guiding his ballclub to 4 World Championships and 6 AL Pennants, nobody here moans about his usage of the bullpen then ??? Oh, it could be that he had 4 good relievers who knew how to pitch behind a staff that good go more than 5 innings……

  65. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2011 at 12:22 am

    Pat M

    I moaned so loud it was deafening to most humans and some dogs.

  66. m February 26th, 2011 at 12:27 am

    Anyway. I like how the current Yankees manager manages his bullpen. No one is spent bySeptember or October.

  67. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 12:30 am

    Pat M. February 26th, 2011 at 12:19 am

    I always find it most interesting how when Joe Torre was guiding his ballclub to 4 World Championships and 6 AL Pennants, nobody here moans about his usage of the bullpen then ??? Oh, it could be that he had 4 good relievers who knew how to pitch behind a staff that good go more than 5 innings……

    ***********************

    Sorry it had to come from me; not good for your image! BUT, that is perhaps the most intelligent and well reasoned comment I’ve ever read here.

  68. Ys Guy February 26th, 2011 at 12:31 am

    they had peter guber on forbes sports money. he owns 6 minor league baseball teams including the scranton yankees and the staten island yankees along with the golden state warriors.
    hes a bostonian and when bob lorenz asked if he was a sawks fan he said “im gonna have to plead the fifth on that. cause i got the (2008 Scranton Championship) ring on, but i pahked my cah outside.”

  69. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2011 at 12:33 am

    How can anyone defend the way Torre managed the pen in the 2004 ALCS, or using Weaver for two IP in the 2003 WS?

    That was historically awful.

  70. Pat M. February 26th, 2011 at 12:34 am

    Rich….You’re an advocate to building the ballclub from within as a device to avoid buying old , on the downside expensive ballplayers especially the bullpen variety which is exactly the slop that Torre had to work with after 03 for the most part…Flash was the exception however he was it really other than Rivera who also suffered from the workload needed in 04 due to the rubbish that was the bullpen……..So until I really see what other viable options that were there I can’t see the validity to all the in vogue bashing that has taken a life of it’s own in recent years…Or since his departure from The Bronx

  71. m February 26th, 2011 at 12:35 am

    Hindsight, Rich! Hindsight!!

  72. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 12:37 am

    Rich. You mean Torre didn’t do everything perfect in the 12 years and 1,942 games he managed the Yankees?

    How awful! 12 years, 6 pennants and 4 world series championships.

  73. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 12:39 am

    Every Yankee fan should get down on their knees and give thanks that Joe Torre managed the team for those 12 years. And you know what, when you look up you will see 4 other guys on their knees along with you. Guys named Jeter, Mariano, Pettitte and Posada.

  74. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2011 at 12:48 am

    Pat M

    Are you saying that when Torre had a perfect team he was a good manager, but when he had a less than perfect team, he wasn’t?

    Torre used an already overworked Gordon with a 9 (9!) run lead v. the RS in Game 3 of the 2004 WS (seeing that mistake didn’t require hindsight m).

    So in effect, he turned Gordon’s arm into slop.

    Again, I have been on Torre since 2001.

    WC

    If you think Torre was responsible for those rings, you’re high. It was the players. This isn’t the NFL or the NBA where a coach must device complex schemes that integrate the diverse talents of his players. Baseball is a team game played by individuals.

    If Torre is such a good manager, why did he have a sub .500 record before he was handed the keys to a team that was ready to win?

    The answer is talent. When it’s there, a manager wins. When it’s not, he doesn’t.

  75. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2011 at 12:49 am

    “Every Yankee fan should get down on their knees and give thanks that Joe Torre managed the team for those 12 years. And you know what, when you look up you will see 4 other guys on their knees along with you. Guys named Jeter, Mariano, Pettitte and Posada.”

    If someone truly believes in a higher power, as I do, your comment is perverse.

  76. LGY February 26th, 2011 at 12:58 am

    Paul Quantrill was a great RP before he came to the Bronx. He had a 2.22 ERA in his 2 years in LA prior for example. He had a 3.05 ERA the first half of 2004.

    Torre pitched him for 56 (!) innings the first half of the season and proceeded to put up a 7.04 ERA the 2nd half.

  77. LGY February 26th, 2011 at 1:00 am

    Torre is towards the top of the list of the people most responsible for the Red Sox breaking the curse.

    For someone who claims to hate the Red Sox so much WC, his managing in that series should be inexcusable to you.

  78. Pat M. February 26th, 2011 at 1:02 am

    2001 Rich in NJ….Maybe he should have yanked Rivera after hitting Council or when Womack tied the game….Nobody ever gets on Buck Showalter for leaving Cone in too long or Black Jack Mac D…..Torre didn’t have a perfect team in those years which is not close to the point I was making…..He had a rotation that didn’t puke after the 5th inning like ha had after Wells, Pettite and Clemens bolted in 03…..And pointing out the Weaver dinger to Gonzalez is a cop out, it was Wells chumping out and Clemens not putting away Cabrera after going 0-2 on him and getting dinged for a series altering homer to right field……..A manager pushes buttons and you can only hope they don’t jammed……

  79. Ys Guy February 26th, 2011 at 1:04 am

    6 WS trips in 8 years, that trumps anything in my book. i always liked torre from when he won the mvp.
    i didnt like the way he used the bullpen, i disagreed with him about the yankees offer beaing an insult, but i still like torre and always will.

  80. Pat M. February 26th, 2011 at 1:06 am

    LGY……What exactly are yoy talking about in the 04 ALCS……Gordon and Rivera were his only 2 relievers and they broke down and gave up leads…..Rotation sucked and if Tony Clark’s ground rule double doesn’t bounce in the stands history isn’t changed………So many things went wrong in the final 4 games you can’t dump the blame on Torre…….I still say when Olerud got hurt the Yanks were in deep trouble….

  81. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2011 at 1:12 am

    Pat M

    Buck blew that move and he paid with his job even though he guided the Yankees from laughing stock to being on the verge of being a very good team.

    As for the perfect team comment, I was exaggerating for effect.

    Sure, some of Torre’s teams were flawed, but they still had more talent than almost any other team in MLB.

    He did make an important contribution in 1996, as his laid back manner was a welcome change from Buck’s overcontrolled personality.

    But over time he became like the rooster that took credit for the sunrise.

    George gave him the chance to transform his managerial career.

    How did he repay him? By writing that POS book.

  82. Pat M. February 26th, 2011 at 1:21 am

    It seems as though the Yankee Front Office and ownership have done a better job about resloving their individual issues with Joe that some fans here…….I for one thought it was a very informative & historical perspective account of one of the great Yankee Dynasty’s….It was G rated when compared to Sparky Lyle’s ” Bronx Zoo’ or Nettles book ” Balls ” and let’s not forget Bouton’s Ball Four…….It was cotton candy in the realm of baseball books in reality

  83. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2011 at 1:28 am

    Pat M

    The Yankees’ ownership and FO have to worry about appearances; fans don’t.

    As for the book, was it really necessary, for example, to comment on George’s mental state near the end?

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....-and-more/

    ¶Torre has a telling comment about George Steinbrenner’s mental state when recalling a meeting in Tampa, Fla., in September 2007. Steinbrenner’s health had clearly deteriorated, and Torre drew a comparison to “The Godfather“: “It’s not quite the same (as) when Don Corleone was shot and was recovering and was sitting in the garden. At least he was talking to his son in a very lucid way, explaining what was going to happen. I don’t think George had those capabilities.”

    If he said that about my late father, I would have punched him in the face.

    Cash has already pointed out where the book diverged from reality from his perspective.

  84. Pat M. February 26th, 2011 at 1:42 am

    Rich in NJ….Was that you ( # 10 ) about not bunting vs. Schilling ???/

  85. Carl February 26th, 2011 at 1:56 am

    Hell, just look what Torre did to Broxton last year. Using him for 50 pitches against the Yanks! He wasn’t the same at all after that.

    .83 era before that.

    7.58 after.

  86. Crawdaddy February 26th, 2011 at 2:05 am

    “Hindsight, Rich! Hindsight!!”

    As somebody that used to battle Rich on another Yankee fan board about Torre’s deficiancies as a manager, I can definitely say it wasn’t hindsight on Rich’s part.

  87. Crawdaddy February 26th, 2011 at 2:09 am

    Another thing as one of Torre’s most strident supporters, he made a big mistake writing that book and there’s no way around that as he damaged his relationship with the Yankee organization as well as with a segment of Yankee fans. He would never admit it, but I got to believe that Torre probably wish he either never wrote that book or left some things out of it.

  88. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2011 at 2:44 am

    Pat M

    #10?

    Thanks, Craw.

  89. m February 26th, 2011 at 2:54 am

    I was just teasing. Things just look different years later. The good years don’t look so good, and the bad years don’t look so bad.

    But IF Broxton really was affected by bullpen management. Then that’s pretty sad.

    We have to wait and see. I’ve rarely seen a closer lifted. But if it ends up bad for Broxton, then that won’t help Torre’s reputation of being an arm-killer. I think the hard part mentally is Broxton had been told last year that he had to compete for the closer’s job.

  90. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 4:38 am

    Regarding Torre, there is this inescapable fact. He won 6 pennants and 4 world series in the 12 years he managed here.

    And then there is this inescapable fact. If you read their quotes, Jeter, Mariano, Pettitte and Posada practically worship the man. They played for him, they know his character, they know how he managed.

    As far as I am concerned as a juror. That’s all the evidence I need to make my decision.

  91. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2011 at 4:58 am

    A little historical peek at the legends of Posada, Rivera and Jeter.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=nyy

  92. Jerkface February 26th, 2011 at 5:17 am

    He won 6 pennants and 4 world series in the 12 years he managed here.

    But did nothing in the last 4 years managing there, and had a terrible stretch of managing in the 3 years before that. Really he won 4 world series and 5 pennants in 6 years and then had a mediocre 6 years after that given his resources.

    He was losing his touch well into 04, he didn’t have to keep going.

  93. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 5:23 am

    I see. So since you are talking about 2001 to 2007, I would assume you also think Brian Cashman as the General Manager also did a terrible job.

  94. Jerkface February 26th, 2011 at 5:35 am

    No, those yankee teams were great teams, but Torre without Don Z was not the same.

  95. Jerkface February 26th, 2011 at 5:36 am

    And Torre failed supremely at 2 things a manager is really responsible for: Filling out a lineup card (batting A-rod 8th?) and bullpen management (woeful). The Yankees had no business losing in 07, that team was stacked.

  96. Jerkface February 26th, 2011 at 5:44 am

    And he misused the resources Cashman gave him. Bernie was done in the outfield and he acquired Kenny Lofton and he didn’t get enough games. He only started 62 games in center and was never able to get in a rhythm. Torre’s misuse of Edwar Ramirez, reluctance to play rookies, inability to defensively position Derek Jeter or confront him on improving his game.

  97. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 5:50 am

    Revisionist history and subjective Monday morning quarterbacking to fit an agenda of demeaning Joe Torre one of the greatest Yankee managers of all times. Heard it all before.

  98. Jerkface February 26th, 2011 at 5:53 am

    There is nothing revisionist about the number of games played for a player, or the performance of the player who played in their place.

    Bottom line is 2004+ was not good at all for Joe Torre.

  99. Jerkface February 26th, 2011 at 5:54 am

    And then he broke one of the biggest unwritten rules of baseball by writing a tell-all book while still managing in the game. Classless.

  100. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 5:55 am

    Yes 2004 sucked, I wish the players had done a better job and not blown it. Things happen.

  101. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 5:57 am

    I wish Mariano didnt blow it in game 7 2001. Did Torre pitch that inning?

  102. Jerkface February 26th, 2011 at 5:57 am

    Had Torre put them in a position to succeed and managed better, they might not have blown it.

  103. Jerkface February 26th, 2011 at 5:59 am

    I wish Mariano didnt blow it in game 7 2001. Did Torre pitch that inning?

    No, but he incorrectly positioned derek jeter. Had he been playing normal depth the bloop never falls in.

  104. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 5:59 am

    I enjoyed Torres book a lot. A wonderful insight into the Yankees at that time. You should read it one day.

  105. Jerkface February 26th, 2011 at 5:59 am

    And if you suddenly remove Torre from the failings of the team in Yankee losses, you must similarly remove him from the wins.

  106. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 6:02 am

    It’s Torres fault Mo blew the game? I see. You are amusing.

  107. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 6:05 am

    12 years – 6 pennants – 4 championships. Joe Torre was the manager. That’s a fact.

  108. Jerkface February 26th, 2011 at 6:06 am

    And its to Torre’s credit that Mariano and the Yankees were unstoppable in the world series prior? Your logic doesn’t work.

  109. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 6:07 am

    Out.

  110. Jerkface February 26th, 2011 at 6:07 am

    7 straight years without a world series win. Also a fact.

  111. Doreen February 26th, 2011 at 7:03 am

    Good morning, morning people. :)

    GTLU Today!

    Just a brief rundown of the Guess The LineUp rules: Today is a day game, so the lineup submission window is from 9 am to 11 am, no exceptions. Lineups must include 9 players AND their positions to be included. Lineups are to be entered in the most current post (I will not go back to prior posts). I will periodically post an update the list of participants. It is your responsibility to make sure your name is on the list and to tell me if it isn’t (and then I will locate your entry). You must prepare a lineup of your own (no saying, “I want the same lineup as so-and-so” for instance). I will post the winner(s) after the official lineup is posted on this Lohud Blog.

    All the rules are posted on the GTLU website, which you can access by clicking on my name. I will also post the day’s lineup, the day’s participants and the day’s winner(s), along with standings.

    NOTE FOR TODAY: I will only be available from 9 am to 10:15 am today (CAR!!!). I will finish GTLU as soon as I get back and post the winner(s), if any, as soon as I can. Lineups submitted through 11 am will be included, so even if I’m not here, please continue to post lineups through 11 am.

  112. Crawdaddy February 26th, 2011 at 7:08 am

    Jerkface,

    Why are you arguing with a Red Sox fan about Torre?

  113. Doreen February 26th, 2011 at 7:22 am

    Wow, I haven’t met one Yankee fan who said they “enjoyed” Torre’s book. I read it. It was a lot of things, but enjoyable was not one of them. And rather than a wonderful insight I saw it as lashing out at players he didn’t like; I saw it as a device to pout in public; and worst of all, I saw it as a complete reversal of all he seemed to stand for when he managed the Yankees, and that was, to put in it’s most banal phrasing, “what happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse.”

    I was a huge Torre proponent. I thought he was the perfect manager for the makeup of the Yankees for the time he was here, at least through 2006. But even after the Detroit debacle, I wanted him back as manager. It was the “midges” game that had me changing my tune, that perhaps his time had gone and it would be better if the Yankees went in another direction. Still, if he’d have come back, I wouldn’t have been upset. I didn’t think he was perfect; there were some very obvious mistakes in the playoffs in the latter years. But I think complacency sets in and he was a victim of that.

    But the book was ill-timed and ill-conceived. I’m sure if he’d waited a few years to go ahead with it, it would have been an enlightening book with a much different tone.

  114. MTU February 26th, 2011 at 7:40 am

    Doreen-

    Good morning.

    Best of luck with the new wheels.

    I agree with you about Torre especially the part about the midges, and the book.

  115. MTU February 26th, 2011 at 7:42 am

    Rather than spinning wheels talking about Mr. Torre any further I am glad to report that there is a REAL baseball game to watch today.

    Boo Yah !

    :)

  116. Doreen February 26th, 2011 at 7:43 am

    Thanks, MTU.

    *****

    BTW, the link to the GTLU site isn’t working for some reason I don’t understand. I’m trying to figure it out.

  117. Doreen February 26th, 2011 at 7:45 am

    This is the link to GTLU:

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  118. Ys Guy February 26th, 2011 at 7:51 am

    good morning! ITS FINALLY HERE! time for baseball games!

    this is better than P’s and & C’s day to me!

    unfortunatly i’ll be working all day and unable to actually sit down and watch it, but i can’t wait to hear all about it after.

  119. pat February 26th, 2011 at 7:58 am

    Good morning.

    Doreen

    There’s a line-up already on Twitter from a beat writer.

  120. blake February 26th, 2011 at 7:59 am

    MTU,

    Yay! Im going to be gone most of the day but luckily DVR’s were invented. Plan on watching in peace after everyone else is in bed ;)

    Re: Torre. He was a perfect fit and did great things for the Yankees for a period of time. That time ran its course…. there are fair points on both sides of the bullpen argument. Torre did pick his favorites and just them right into the ground….especially towards the end. But you can also argue that he had those favorites because everybody else he had to choose from was garbage. I think its more noticeable now that he’s gone because managing a pen is maybe Girardi’s greatest strength to this point in his career.

  121. Ys Guy February 26th, 2011 at 8:05 am

    a girlfriend and i who were together for a few years left me a long letter to read when she left, left it right there on the bed to find after she’s left, and i opened it and it started off digging right in to the nastiness that had led up to her decision to leave. i read about 2 lines (it was like 10 pages) then i stopped and put it away and never read it. i knew what was in it and didnt want to go through the blow-by-blow.

    years later when i saw her she brought it up and said she wanted to apologize for some things she said in the letter. i told her there was no need, b/c i never read it and she was really relieved.

    this is how i felt about the torre book. when it came out, i knew no good could come from it. hashing through the details of the ending of a relationship dims the memory of all that went right over such a long time and amplifies what went wrong at the end.

    i paid as little attention to the torre book as i could and now i have no resentments about it or torre.

    4 rings, 6 WS in 8 years and we made the playoffs every year, Thats what i remember of joe torre as yankees manager, and i will stand and cheer him anywhere, anytime.

  122. Doreen February 26th, 2011 at 8:09 am

    It seems like clicking on my name works now, for GTLU website.

  123. Ys Guy February 26th, 2011 at 8:12 am

    doreen, i think its really cool of you to put in all the time and effort to do the gtlu, it adds something to the blog every day. i dont get to play it much (im listed as 0 for 1 last year) but i think its a neat thing and wanted to thank you for your efforts b/c i’m sure you get alot of guff about it from time to time.

  124. MTU February 26th, 2011 at 8:12 am

    Blake-

    Excellent idea.

    The game is most welcome especially since the weather here is not conducive to any outdoor activity.

    In a word. It sucks.

    What a Winter. It’s normally around 60-65 with full Sun around here at this time of year.

    Thankfully The Ark is ready.

    Damn Commies have been messing with our weather again.

    :)

  125. Tom in N.J. February 26th, 2011 at 8:17 am

    When the Yankees won Torre was the reason.

    When they lost the players were the reason.

  126. Doreen February 26th, 2011 at 8:17 am

    Y’s Guy

    Thanks.

    People are pretty cool about it. I made the website so I don’t have to clog the blog with the standings; just a quick reminder to check out the website.

  127. Fran the original February 26th, 2011 at 8:19 am

    Good morning everyone.

    Finally baseball is here.

  128. Cashmoney February 26th, 2011 at 8:19 am

    Morning…
    Doreen, frankly, i have no idea whose gonna be in a lineup in ST. I faithfully submit Bugs Bunny as my guy from 1-9.

  129. Ys Guy February 26th, 2011 at 8:19 am

    tom they won as a team, the lost as a team. they won alot more than they lost.

    there were things torre did that drove me crazy, but there are no perfect managers out there (unless you ask tony larussa). we won with torre.

  130. Cashmoney February 26th, 2011 at 8:20 am

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  131. Ys Guy February 26th, 2011 at 8:21 am

    bugs can get 3 strikes each time he throws the changeup, so he should be able to go deep and rest the bullpen…..o wait a minute… :)

  132. Fran the original February 26th, 2011 at 8:23 am

    New post- Toda’s line-up

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  133. Fran the original February 26th, 2011 at 8:24 am

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  134. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Doreen you are obviously not representative of Yankee fans then. How can you make a blanket statement like that about Tirres book? Did you talk to every Yankee fan?

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