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Your one-stop thread for early thoughts on pitchers

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Feb 25, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I get a lot of emails (and Tweets – I’m @SamBorden, by the way) from people asking about how this particular pitcher looks or what the Yankees think of that young lefty. It’s understandble, of course – this is what spring training is all about. But when Larry Rothschild talked to a group of reporters earlier today, it seemed like the perfect opportunity to do a post with his thoughts on a slew of the Yankee pitchers.

So, if you’ve been wondering about one of the off-the-radar pitchers for the Yankees – i.e. those guys not named Sabathia or Hughes or Burnett or Rivera – then click after the jump for the pitching coach’s early opinions …

On Dellin Betances: “He’s got a real good changeup, he can spin the ball, and he’s a big kid that has a pretty good feel for delivery for that big a kid. It usually takes taller kids a little bit longer, but he’s pretty good. He’s got three pitches, it’s just a matter of being able to repeat a lot. He’s certainly got the makeup. I don’t think he scares. He’s got a look that’s pretty intense.”

On Manny Banuelos: “He’s a nice lefthanded arm. He’s a kid with a good look. He’s able to repeat his delivery very well, and does things pretty easily. So I think, future-wise, he’s someone that should have a good future here. He’s a young kid that’s got to go through all the steps to get here.”

On Ivan Nova: “I think he’s got the pitches to win here. I think, like a lot of young kids that haven’t had a lot of experience, he’s got to really determine the fact that he belongs here. … I think the confidence thing is huge for him and I think he’s capable of pitching well for us.”

(Follow-up: Why did Nova struggle toward the end of starts last year?) “I think he’s got to pitch through some of the barriers that young kids do. That’s learning how to win games at this level and push through the fact that it’s not just trying to get through the fifth, but you’re looking for the sixth or seventh and even deeper than that. It’s really just focusing on making the pitches and you make as many pitches as you can in a given game one at a time. … I think he needs to put the blinders on and just execute the pitch at hand.”

On Sergio Mitre: “At this point in Serge’s career, he’s pitched in relief, he’s pitched long relief a little bit, middle I think. He’s started. Those guys aren’t easy to find, that can adjust and go back and forth. They’re pretty valuable guys to have. They tend to be overlooked until towards the end when they’re the 11 or 12. I don’t think it’s all that out of character in camp. I hope he knows that he’s got a valuable role here in what he needs to do for the team.”

On Andrew Brackman: “I saw him the last month. He came in early on the other side, threw some bullpens there, and threw some batting practice. I didn’t see him before but I think he’s made some really good strides.”

(Follow-up on whether he’s worried about Brackman’s groin injury): “This seems to be very, very minor. It’s really more precautionary more than anything else.”

(Follow-up on Brackman’s breaking pitches): “He’s got a good breaking ball. He can spin a curveball really well. The guy’s almost 7-feet tall. But his delivery has been pretty clean, he’s an athletic kid so he’s been able to put it together pretty well. The arm strength you know is there. Because of the height, the release point’s out front, past where a lot of guys release the ball. So it should jump on hitters quicker. I haven’t seen him live in a game. I have seen some tape of him but it’s been kind of limited from what they had in the minor leagues. So I look forward to seeing him in a game to see where he is with stuff.”

 
 

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206 Responses to “Your one-stop thread for early thoughts on pitchers”

  1. Bronx Jeers February 25th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    # LibertyBoy February 25th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Thanks for that photo, he’s a midget with big shoulders. Swisher is listed as 210. I met the guy, now there’s a 195 pounder.

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    Step right up folks!

    http://farm5.static.flickr.com.....197697.jpg

  2. Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Good idea, but I’d still like to know what Rothschild thinks about Phil, Joba, etc……

  3. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    I assume that Rothschild hasn’t seen much of the other youngsters, like Phelps, Warren and DJ Mitchell other than bullpens?

  4. blake February 25th, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    I was expecting Rothschild to say Banuelos was too short and had too good of a delivery to have much of a future……

  5. Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    WC, James Cromwell is in Murder by Death? LOL The thing I remember him from is an epsiode of Little House on the Prairie……I know he was in the Babe movies (though I didn’t see them).

  6. jacksquat February 25th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    3) It is argued that I am wrong about the rarity of small starters. Examples are dropped: Valenzuela, Pedro, and Johan (I won’t mention Lincecum b/c I brought him up, I’m surprised no one else mentioned him). I comment that all of those pitchers were exceptional, Cy Young pitchers. I suggest that Banuelos does not seem exceptional to me, that I would be more comfortable predicting his success as a starter (or at least, his future as a starter) if there was something unusual about his bearing, his delivery, etc.

    Not exeptional? He’s one of the highest ranked pitchers in the entire minor leauges. He has plenty of velocity and doesn’t need a Lincecum type delivery to throw at that velocity. Santana did not blow hitters away with 98mph fastballs. It was his fastball accuracy combined with an excellent changeup that made him successful. That’s where the comparison comes from.

  7. Fran the original February 25th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Thanks Sam. Interesting to get Rotschild’s perspective.

  8. tomingeorgia February 25th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    I am brand new here after months of lurking. but I have been watching the Yankees since 1950, when you could get a box seat for $5.00 or bleakers for 50 cents. I already like most of you posters. On the subject of little left-handers, let me suggest Bobby Schantz and Ron Guidry. There are a slew more, but those are the ones that came to mind. Neither too shabby.

  9. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    The Yankees are loaded with young pitching talent.

    What an awful problem to have.

    Poor Mr. Rothschild. He won’t know which way to turn first.

    :)

  10. Sam Borden February 25th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Betsy: I figured there will be plenty of threads about the more established guys so it would be good to do a post with his thoughts on some of the less talked-about pitchers.

  11. Bronx Jeers February 25th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Whitey Ford wasn’t too shabby either at 5’10″ .

  12. Fran the original February 25th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Welcome tomingeorgia. Nice to have you.

  13. pat February 25th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    “I already like most of you posters.”

    You are new then. :wink:

  14. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Harry Brecheen, Harvey Haddix, Warren Spahn, Whitey Ford, Al Downing, Eddie Lopat….all lefties under 6 feet and under 185 pounds that had to apologize to nobody. I can go further back, but, then, that was normal height.

  15. tomingeorgia February 25th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Thanks, Fran. And Pat, I said “most”.

  16. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    pat February 25th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
    “I already like most of you posters.”

    You are new then.

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    Just a passing fad. he’ll get over that by next week.

  17. jacksquat February 25th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Manny B. spring training 2011 bullpen video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjbKirxWpAE

    There are some other good ones for other players in the “suggestions” area to the right by the same poster.

  18. tomingeorgia February 25th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    GB7,
    5Th sfg, Company C, 1965-1968

  19. KPB February 25th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    MTU

    Yes, what a horrible situation. Yanks might have to close up shop, because they won’t be able to make a decision in a timely manner and cause games to stall. :smile: Welcome back.

  20. Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Sam, if it came out like I was criticizing you, I apologize – that was not my intention!

  21. 4 NYY February 25th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    # pat February 25th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    “I already like most of you posters.”

    You are new then. :wink:
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    Not TOO new, he goes back to 50′ ! LOL I go back to following Yanks from 57′ W.S. when they lost to Braves and came back the next year and beat Braves, after being down 3 games to 1.

    He might like some of us LOL

  22. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Imagine getting a nickname like “Big Six” (Walter Johnson) because you’re 6 feet tall.

    Today, he would be called “Little Walter”.

  23. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    KPB-

    Thank you.

    Survived yet another adventure.

    Hope things are well down on the Bayou.

  24. Jerkface February 25th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Today, he would be called “Little Walter”.

    He’d be a reliever.

  25. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    tomingeorgia February 25th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
    GB7,
    5Th sfg, Company C, 1965-1968

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    Congrats, Tom, and welcome home.

  26. Jerkface February 25th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    An undrafted free agent stuck in the bullpen.

  27. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    GB-

    No Man would like to be called little Walter.

    :)

  28. KPB February 25th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    MTU

    Doing well thanks. Looking forward to tomorrow and shaking off the winter slumber.

  29. Bronx Jeers February 25th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Joe Torre to be a Park Ave executive.

    http://www.kttc.com/Global/story.asp?S=14143931

  30. 4 NYY February 25th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    # GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Harry Brecheen, Harvey Haddix, Warren Spahn, Whitey Ford, Al Downing, Eddie Lopat….all lefties under 6 feet and under 185 pounds that had to apologize to nobody. I can go further back, but, then, that was normal height.
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    Yeah, I think Spahn did “okay” as the all time winning lefty and Whitey did “okay” with one of the highest ever winning percentages.

  31. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    MTU February 25th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
    GB-

    No Man would like to be called little Walter.

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    Not sure he’d rather be called, “Little Willie”.

  32. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    KPB-

    Amen to that brother.

    A chance to see some of the kids in real live action.

    A chance to judge for your self instead of relying on the Keith Law’s of the world.

  33. 4 NYY February 25th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    # MTU February 25th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    GB-

    No Man would like to be called little Walter.

    :)
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    Or Little Johnson either !

  34. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    No GB, but “Big Train” sure works.

    :)

  35. LGY February 25th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    I don’t think LibertyBoy knows what the phrase “the company line” really means.

  36. Betsy February 25th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    I thought Christy Matthewsons nickname was Big Six and Johnson’s was the Big Train?

    Mathewson is my favorite old time player – died too young

  37. Fran the original February 25th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Was listening to Michael Kay. He is flying down to Tampa tonight to call the games this weekend.

    So ready for some baseball. Even Kay will sound good.

  38. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    One thing those guys had listed? All had 20 win seasons and over 100 career wins. The bum.

  39. Carl February 25th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Little Walter – My Babe

    Good song.

  40. Jerkface February 25th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    I don’t think LibertyBoy knows what the phrase “the company line” really means.

    Maybe he meant public opinion.

  41. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Fran-

    Kay will NEVER sound good.

    Nails meet chalk board teacher.

  42. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    MTU, you caught me in a screw up. Christy Matthewson was “Big Six”

  43. Giuseppe Franco February 25th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    During my workout today at the gym, this old timer (who noticed I was wearing a Yankee t-shirt) told me a story about how he and his dad used to go to Yankee Stadium regularly when he was a kid.

    He also said that one of the worst days of his adolescent life was the day he attended the visitation of Babe Ruth’s body at the Stadium after his passing.

    Now I would imagine there are still plenty of people living in NY who was also at the Stadium that rainy day, but I don’t imagine there are too many of those folks living here in the Chicagoland area.

    You just never know what kind of people you will run into on a day-to-day basis.

  44. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Oh, Oh!!! Casey Daigle is getting cuffed around by the “Zona team. He needs to go home and get some pitching pointers from his wife.

  45. tomingeorgia February 25th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    I actually saw Dimaggio in his final year, and Mantle in his first. I have a home run ball from Yaztremski (those outfield reserves were two dollars} and went to college in Boston when you could into Fenway for nothing much when you cut class. Let me say,though, while I get OPS, most of the other stuff escapes me. What matters to me is who gets the clutch hits, who makes the clutch play and who throws the clutch striikeout

  46. Bronx Jeers February 25th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    There are old New Yorkers living everywhere.

    I hear there’s even one in Utah. :wink:

  47. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    GB-

    No worries.

    I knew right away it wasn’t you, and that Killer was up to his old tricks again.

    ;)

  48. Fran the original February 25th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    MTU,

    Tomorrow Kay will sound good because it’s the 1st game.

    After that….

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock February 25th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Thanks for the LR quotes Sam, this is the great stuff of ST! What’s he got on Joba?

    blake February 25th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
    I was expecting Rothschild to say Banuelos was too short and had too good of a delivery to have much of a future……
    ///
    :D

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock February 25th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Not that LR said that much…

  51. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    MTU, forgive “Killer”. He’s had a head injury. One of his ladies took acception to one of his other ladies and hit him with a skillet.

  52. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Jeers-

    I snuck in under the cover of darkness via the old Spanish trail.

    Very hush hush and all that.

    ;)

  53. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Alright GB if you say so but he better mind his kibbles and bits.

    For now he’s on probabtion.

    ;)

  54. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Casey Daigle gets roughed up at the ballpark and goes home and gets comforted by Jennie Finch. That a tough life.

  55. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    Fran-

    I might be able to stand him for 1 game.

    I’ll try my best.

  56. Giuseppe Franco February 25th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    Oh well. There goes my dream of Michael Kay going on a season long honeymoon.

  57. Jerkface February 25th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Michael Kay haters vacate.

  58. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Isn’t Cone going to be back in the booth this season ?

    :)

  59. Fran the original February 25th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    MTU and Giuseppe, LOL

  60. J. Alfred Prufrock February 25th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Giuseppe Franco February 25th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
    Oh well. There goes my dream of Michael Kay going on a season long honeymoon.

    ////
    He’ll be invigorated this year and worse than ever :(

  61. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Prufrock-

    Then let’s take away his Viagra and feed him some saltpeter instead.

    Anything to help the cause.

  62. austinmac February 25th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Welcome Tomingeorgia and thanks for your service.

  63. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Who knows? Maybe.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_nyy

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock February 25th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    MTU February 25th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
    Prufrock-

    Then let’s take away his Viagra and feed him some saltpeter instead.

    Anything to help the cause.
    ///

    Dude, whatever it takes.

  65. tomingeorgia February 25th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Nobody here knows Guidry or Shantz or any of the others, except for the other old warrior, GB7. Does it make any sense for me to try to contribute any more?

  66. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    GB-

    What great feel good story that would be.

    :)

  67. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Tom, I’m just a kid. Randy, Pat M. and MTU are ancient. We’re talking Fred Flintone neighbor old.

  68. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    ***Flintstone***

    I do suggest that you brush up on code decyphering, though. These people can’t spell for squat on here.

  69. tomingeorgia February 25th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    GB7,
    I dated both Wilma and Betty!

  70. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    MTU, it would be great to see. Teams send their broken pitchers to NYYs and they fix them at the cost of one quality prospect.

  71. Giuseppe Franco February 25th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    I wonder what will happen to Prior, Garcia, or Colon if they don’t make the big league club.

    You would think since Prior and Colon have pitched in the majors in some time that they would accept a minor league assignment from the Yanks as insurance.

    But I tend to believe Garcia would be headed to another organization. He’s the most likely of the three to get a major league offer from another team.

  72. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    tomingeorgia February 25th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
    GB7,
    I dated both Wilma and Betty!

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    Betty was a hottie. Wilma had a thing going with Dino.

  73. Giuseppe Franco February 25th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Oops…

    You would think since Prior and Colon haven’t pitched in the majors in some time that they would accept a minor league assignment from the Yanks as insurance.

  74. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Prior doesn’t have an out as far as I know. Colon does.

  75. Jerkface February 25th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Colon has an out in his deal if he doesn’t make the team, not sure about Prior I think he might be in the organization for the year.

  76. 108 stitches February 25th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    It’s good to see that Larry Rothschild is from the pitching school of repeated mechanics which he’ll preach to at least one starter and one reliever until they get it.
    He’s probably anxious to see Phelps, Warren, Noesi, and the B’s in game action during the next 3 weeks.

  77. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    I think Prior has said he would consider it.

  78. blake February 25th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    After natural ability, repeating your delivery is the most important thing for pitchers…..except for Manny Banuelos, he needs more funk

  79. austinmac February 25th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Tomingeorgia,

    There are many of us with, how shall I say it, distant memories. Don’t let GB fool you. They wouldn’t let him use his real name, Methusalah, on the board.

    I remember Shantz. He was very small and darn good even as an older pitcher in the early 60s.

  80. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Rothschild hasn’t had this much talent to work with in a long time.

    Just like unwrapping Xmas presents.

    Gonna feel good.

  81. Giuseppe Franco February 25th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    # GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Prior doesn’t have an out as far as I know. Colon does.

    ——–

    Thanks. I had no idea what clause(s) they had in their contracts.

  82. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Blake-

    ManBan has funk in his trunk, and he’s gonna go there and open up a can of whoop a*s to use all season long.

    :)

  83. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    GF-

    Prior agreement (sorry I couldn’t resist).

    :)

  84. tomingeorgia February 25th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    I have a feeling, only that since I don’t even understand the statistical abbreviations for the most part, that the Yankees will be all right with the bottom of the pitching staff. One of Colon or Garcia will be good for us. Garcia’s record last year would have won the division instead of AJ’s. GB7, Wilma liked it doggy.

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock February 25th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    blake February 25th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
    After natural ability, repeating your delivery is the most important thing for pitchers…..except for Manny Banuelos, he needs more funk
    ///

    haha settle down now, don’t want to endure another liberation movement.

  86. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Tom-

    Her kid wasn’t named Bam Bam for no reason.

    ;)

  87. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Tom-

    And by the way, welcome to the asylum.

    Er, I mean, blog.

    :)

  88. yankeefeminista February 25th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock February 25th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
    blake February 25th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
    After natural ability, repeating your delivery is the most important thing for pitchers…..except for Manny Banuelos, he needs more funk
    ///

    haha settle down now, don’t want to endure another liberation movement.
    _______
    Free Manny!

    Thanks for the Rothschild pitching quotes, Sam.

  89. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Tom, I don’t know for sure about Wilma. Just going by what Randy said. he said that he used to watch her through the bedroom window. That must have been a plan by wilma. Notice that the bedroom windows had no curtains.

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock February 25th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    there are ladies present on the blog.

  91. pat February 25th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    This is sounding worse and worse daily…….

    BrianCostaWSJ Mets Took $25 Million Loan From MLB http://on.wsj.com/gADd8r

  92. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    pat, they’re starting to look a lot like last year’s Rangers.

  93. tomingeorgia February 25th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    MTU,
    Thanks for the welcome. I love the Yankees, but my internet is too slow to watch tomorrow’s game. I’ll be listening to it, though. From rural Georgia, even that’s a treat. 73 degrees down here today, and the forsytiithias are in bloom. Ready for baseball.

  94. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    pat, did you notice that they had already borrowed $50 mil and have a $400 mil debt on the team? It’s getting uglier.

  95. Fran the original February 25th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Pat and GB,

    This is really making the Wilpons look even worse. They kept insisting they had the money to run the team. Apparently not without some help.

  96. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Tom-

    I had a friend how used to live in Dahlonega. Is that rural enough ?

    I’d take 73 degrees right about now.

    I’ve been ready for weeks now.

    Should be an interesting Spring.

  97. Deal With It February 25th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    tomingeorgia February 25th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    ‘Wilma liked it doggy’.

    ——————

    Awesome, that should go over really well here.

  98. Doreen February 25th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    pat -

    OMG. I really do feel bad for the players on that team right now…

    ***

    Welcome tomingeorgia!

    ***

    So, Manny Banuelos has yet to throw a pitch in AAA, much less MLB, and we’re writing him off because he’s “short”? Did i follow THAT conversation?

  99. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    It’s a good thing there will not be any more shuttle flights or they would be able to smell the stink coming from the Mets all the way in space.

    :)

  100. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    edit: “who” not “how”. dyslexia strikes again.

  101. m February 25th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Have I been under a rock? I just heard Dwight Howard really wants to play in LA. And LaRussa deflecting PEDs talk about Pujols?

  102. Joe from Long Island February 25th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    pat, GB7 – we’ve seen this coming for over a year.

    The Mets, and Wilpons, are in serious financial trouble. The WSJ, and NY Times, have been on top of this. Beyond the debt on the team, the have debt on CitiField, and SNY. SNY is their only holding that appears to be making any money, and that includes a lot – if not most/all – of their real estate properties. It has been guesstimated that they owe over $1B on the team/ballpark/SNY, in addition to whatever they get nailed for on the Madoff affair.

    This is why they’ve been cutting back on their minor league ops and player development for over a year. And why they will be sellers this year.

    Fred is blowing smoke. I think they ultimately will be forced to sell a majority stake, if not the whole team, and likely SNY, in order to pay their bills. It will take over a year, but I think the sale will occur.

  103. tomingeorgia February 25th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Thanks for the welcome, Doreen. For Deal With It, deal with it.

  104. Joe from Long Island February 25th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Hey, I see on the news that Khaddafi has a few dollars socked away. Maybe he’s one of the people that Jeff Wilpon says is quietly looking to buy in.

    Wouldn’t that be something…..

  105. blake February 25th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    So the Mets were loaned money and are being propped up by MLB…….does that mean they’ll be trading for Cliff Lee soon?

  106. Doreen February 25th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Joe from LI -

    You are the “go-to” guy on the Mets’ saga. It’s really a sad state of affairs.

    ****

    GTLU Update: I have to leave tomorrow at 10:15 to go and pick up my car. I will take copy down lineups that have been submitted through 11:00 a.m. ONLY when I get back. I will post winners as soon as I can. I apologize for this. It was an unforeseen complication in GTLU.

  107. blake February 25th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Tomingeorgia,

    Let me add my welcome as well….you’re in Braves country down there.

  108. m February 25th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Blake,

    I was just going to post that the MLB loaned the Mets $25M. But the Dodgers can’t get an advance from Fox West? :?

  109. Fran the original February 25th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    GTLU Update: I have to leave tomorrow at 10:15 to go and pick up my car.
    ***********************
    Doreen,
    What is more important? GTLU or your car?

    You know of course I am kidding. Good luck with the car.

  110. blake February 25th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    M,

    That doesn’t make a lot sense to me…..especially given the reasoning behind the Mets fnancial issues.

  111. BIG AL February 25th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    A new guy comes on the blog, and the first thing MTU does is drag him down to his level, us old guys just can’t up, and no Mike, I did not leave “get it” out of that sentance.

    GB7 – you have a fellow Georgian to mess with now. Oh the weather, it was cool here in NC today, only 68, but it will be back in the mid 70′s by Sunday.

    Thank God baseball is just around the corner.

  112. BIG AL February 25th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Doreen -

    The new VW and the start of ST baseball, life is good.

  113. Fran the original February 25th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    Joe,

    Anybody who buys the Mets would be foolish not to insist on SNY as part of the deal since as you said, it is the only Wilpon holding making money.

  114. BIG AL February 25th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    can’t keep up Killer must be near by ……….

  115. blake February 25th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    My solution is for the Yankees to buy the Mets and let Hank run them……

  116. Doreen February 25th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    I think it is a good sign that my car saga ends the same day as Spring Training games begin!!!

  117. BIG AL February 25th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    blake -

    Almost correct. The Yankees buy the Mets, trade any players worth getting to the Yankees for High A prospects, then who cares.

  118. Doreen February 25th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    Big Al

    OMG — We had the same thought!!!!

  119. 108 stitches February 25th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    For a team playing in the media capital, the Mets are as non-descript as the Florida Marlins for pure baseball related news. Madoff put a real crimp in the Mets style.

  120. m February 25th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Let’s play swap. Yankees buy the Mets and we want a varsity team and a JV team. Who goes to the Mets and who comes the Yankees?

  121. BIG AL February 25th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Doreen -

    Great minds ……………….

  122. West Coast Yankee Fan February 25th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Betsy I was out. If you’re still here, James Cromwell is probably best known for his role in LA Confidential, a terrific movie. He also had a role in the excellent HBO show Six Feet Under.

  123. BIG AL February 25th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    m -

    The Mets are already a JV team, any lower, they’d be called AAA, or worse.

  124. tomingeorgia February 25th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Blake,
    Thanks for the welcome, I saw Allie Reynolds, Bob Turley, Whitey Ford when he came up, Phil Rizutto, Tommy Tresh, and a lot more. I love this blog.

  125. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Joe/Fran, I knew thee was trouble heading their way, but, hadn’t really been keeping up with it day-to-day. There are about 5 teams in deep trouble right now, not counting houston, whose owner is looking to get out. Add on that the new CBA is coming up fast and now the new head of the union and Selig setting up his retirement parachute. Baseball can’t continue holding off new ownership by hand picking their friends. Not many have the money to want to risk to buy into the country club. not sure if trump was invested in Madoff or not, but, just because they don’t like Mark Cuban, jerry Jones and others, they can’t afford to get real picky. I wonder why Bill Gates has never joined the club? Remember when they didn’t want absentee ownership, but, now, they have foreign ownership?

  126. m February 25th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Yeah, I can’t think of anyone I want from their team. They’re pretty awful.

  127. blake February 25th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Ill take Weight, Reyes, and Santana if he comes back healthy……Hank can be the owner/GM/manager of the rest.

  128. Cashmoney February 25th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Is NY still a national league town if all things all equal (i know they rarely are)?

  129. BIG AL February 25th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    tomingeorgia -

    Your in good company, welcome, from another old timer that started following the Yankees in the 40′s. We’ve seen many greats in our day.

  130. m February 25th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Maybe Jason Bay.

  131. Joe from Long Island February 25th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Hi Fran – I just read the papers. I really don’t see anyway this plays out any differently. Selling their baseball stake really seems to be the only way out of this mess for them.

    Oh, for a ST game tomorrow…… What I would give to hear John Sterling say “Theeeeeeeeee Yankees win!!!!”, even for a ST game.

  132. BIG AL February 25th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    m -

    I’d take the left side of their IF as backups, and 1 or 2 pitchers as well.

  133. tyanksfan36 February 25th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    So I’m at this USF baseball game and I got here at 730, it started at 7 and there’s no where to sit. So I’m standing up by 3rd base. Will definitely remember to get here earlier from now on.

  134. m February 25th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    We have enough Weight!

  135. Cashmoney February 25th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    I take dic-key as well, perfect inning eater.

  136. Jerkface February 25th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Let’s play swap. Yankees buy the Mets and we want a varsity team and a JV team. Who goes to the Mets and who comes the Yankees?

    RA and Pelfrey come on as the 4th and 5th starters. Burnett goes to the Mets. Beltran as the 4th OFer. Wright gets shopped for a big prospect haul that will eventually play for the yankees. Santana would make a good dead line guy if he proves healthy :)

    Most of the mets stay on the mets. Though it’d be nice to break in Yankee prospects on the mets in a pressure free environment.

  137. m February 25th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    What if it had to be a position swap?

  138. Jerkface February 25th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    I’d trade Reyes as well.

  139. BIG AL February 25th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    I’m hoping to see great things from Montero, let’s hope he can deliver at this level, I believe he’ll adjust, and be everything we have come to believe he would be.

  140. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    Al-

    I was just trying to make Tom feel right at home from the get go.

    No point in beating around the bush.

    ;)

  141. Jerkface February 25th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    K-rod would make it as a setup man.

  142. Fran the original February 25th, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    GB,

    Yes, they did everything to keep Cuban from the Texas Rangers. I don’t really know why. He has the money and is an active owner.

    I agree with Joe about the Wilpons having to sell. Not sure about Trump though. He is talking about running for President. That might preclude him from owning a team.

  143. Cashmoney February 25th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    Jerk. Reyes straight up for Jete, would u do it?

  144. BIG AL February 25th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    MTU -

    I thought that’s he said he was doing ….. My bad.

  145. Jerkface February 25th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Yes, they did everything to keep Cuban from the Texas Rangers. I don’t really know why. He has the money and is an active owner.

    He would rock the boat and isn’t part of the old boys club. Thats the problem with nepotism from your commissioner.

  146. blake February 25th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    I would trade Arod to the Mets then trade him back to the Yankees and have the Mets eat half his salary.

  147. Jerkface February 25th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    Jerk. Reyes straight up for Jete, would u do it?

    2006-2008 Reyes? If I’m getting that player yes. If I’m getting the injury prone pouting Reyes from the last 2 seasons, no.

    He is younger and has more upside going forward, and the better defense, but I’d be wary of it.

  148. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    Fran, I think Selig’s afraid that he might be too active. He could make the young George Steinbrenner look like a miser. Same with Jerry jones. They ruffle feathers and Selig can’t deal with that.

  149. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    Fran-

    If Trump were to be both President of the US and Mets he could just declare martial law, and procalim the Mets World Champs even if they finished dead last.

    So there’s that.

    :)

  150. BIG AL February 25th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    I’d love to see Cuban try and buy the Mets, and if Selig tries to freeze him out again, I’d hope he’d drag him and MLB into court. Something has to be done about Selig, he’s done enough damage to the game already.

  151. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    sp: proclaim. sorry.

  152. Cashmoney February 25th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    Nah, take his whole body of work, I think it’s a tough one, but i would do it but be wary of it.

  153. BIG AL February 25th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Let’s face it, if GMS III was alive, and in his prime today, and did not own the Yankees, Selig would not let him become an owner.

  154. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Al-

    How you been ?

    Maybe Selig will drown in his Fruit Loops.

  155. Fran the original February 25th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    GB and Jerkface,
    You would think that MLB would want active owners with a passion for the sport.

    ***************
    MTU,
    That was funny. Of course, it may be the only way for the Mets to be World Champs in the forseeable future.

  156. m February 25th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Reyes? Chinadoll prima dona. I take my chances with Jeter and wait for his replacement to be born. ;)

  157. blake February 25th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    I think Cuban would be good for the sport.

  158. BoJo February 25th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Imagine getting a nickname like “Big Six” (Walter Johnson) because you’re 6 feet tall.
    _____________________
    I wonder what Mae West would have said.

  159. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Fran-

    That, or breaking into Ft. Knox.

    Trouble is there may only be IOU’s there as well.

    :(

  160. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    Blake-

    I think so too.

    Cubans are excellent ballplayers, and they are highly motivated.

    :)

  161. pat February 25th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    I was thinking the other day, if the Yankees were ever to have the kind of financial problems the Dodgers or the Mets were currently in, they could put together a group of players past and present to form an ownership group probably pretty easily who could come up with $200M.

  162. BIG AL February 25th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    MTU -

    Pretty good for the most part. One more surgery in May, and things should be good.

    Everything is coming in bloom here, and I need real baseball, worse this off season than ever before, don’t know why, but I just missed it even more.

    We hope to go back north mid June – July, and I’ll catch a couple of games at the stadium, and 6-10 at SWB. I miss seeing the young players before they make it up.

  163. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Bojo-

    That’s easy.

    Do you love me, or is that a baseball in your pocket ?

    :)

  164. BIG AL February 25th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Good night folks, catch you all tomorrow, play nice.

  165. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    It seems like Fox/Murdoch is trying to get back into baseball. That’s one group that needs to be frozen out…either that or make Fox divest it’s self of their MLB TV contract.

  166. BIG AL February 25th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Are you guys getting a room?

  167. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Al-

    Glad to hear you’re doing better.

    I’d love to see the youngsters play at Minor league stadiums.

    Best I’ll be able to do is watch them on TV.

    Enjoy.

    :)

  168. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    pat February 25th, 2011 at 7:47 pm
    I was thinking the other day, if the Yankees were ever to have the kind of financial problems the Dodgers or the Mets were currently in, they could put together a group of players past and present to form an ownership group probably pretty easily who could come up with $200M.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Berra, jeter, Rodriguez, Posada, Sabathia, Pettitte, Teixeira and Rivera have some serious cash.

  169. Fran the original February 25th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Pat,

    I never thought of it, but that’s probably true. And it wouldn’t take too many players :)

  170. m February 25th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Alex could cash in a couple of CDs and buy the team. :)

  171. Deal With It February 25th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    tomingeorgia February 25th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Thanks for the welcome, Doreen. For Deal With It, deal with it.

    —————-

    Ok, it it necessary for you to be a sexual deviant on a sports blog ? I believe that MTU told you there are ladies present on this blog. I for one would appreciate you keeping your perversion to yourself.

  172. Cashmoney February 25th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    I wonder if Buffet ever have any interest in owning a ML team, that’s one guy i can think will through the old boy screening process with little difficulties. I think he owns Omaha Royal… well, and prolly the city of Omaha.

  173. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Deal with it-

    For the record, that was Prufrock.

  174. BoJo February 25th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    I agree with Jerkface..

    Beltran as 4th OFer…Peltrey and Ducky (censor) as 4th and 5th, Santana when healthy, that kid Jerri Meija for bullpen, Hank to them as owner.

  175. Nat February 25th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Buffett said he wouldn’t own a team.

  176. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Scott Boras will buy the Angels

  177. BoJo February 25th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    L alos like that Angel Pagan kid…got some talent

  178. Deal With It February 25th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    MTU February 25th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    ————

    Thank you, I stand corrected.

  179. BoJo February 25th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Scott Boras will buy the Angels
    __________________
    Wouldn’t that be something?

  180. Nat February 25th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    To be more specific, a major league team.

  181. BoJo February 25th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Nat February 25th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    To be more specific, a major league team.
    ______________
    That eliminates the Mets

  182. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    GB-

    That would be poetic justice.

    Let Boras get a taste of his own medicine.

    ;)

  183. BoJo February 25th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    I’m still predicting a July fire sale over at Shea…They’ll sell players to whom takes the most debt off their books. Fans be darned.

  184. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    MTU February 25th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
    GB-

    That would be poetic justice.

    Let Boras get a taste of his own medicine.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Who wins the contract disputes with players and Angels? Boras the owner or Boras the agent.

  185. BoJo February 25th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Meant Citifield…still can’t get used to that

  186. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    GB-

    He’d be a “double-agent”.

    Tough call.

    ;)

  187. Fran the original February 25th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Who wins the contract disputes with players and Angels? Boras the owner or Boras the agent
    ***************************
    GB,
    Does he only sign his own clients?

  188. BoJo February 25th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    Someone had posted here a few days back some suggestion that Wilpons had helped identify investors for Madoff. If true, they are sooooooooooo screwed. They will be fighting for financial survival and won’t care about fan reaction. They’ll sell assets to get team ready for sale.

    Should be a fun summer watching them. Please be kind to Mets fans and offer to adopt them as Yankee fans, and help break them in to a different culture.

  189. Fran the original February 25th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    BoJo,

    Especially if they are out of the playoff picture. I see them trading Reyes for sure. Don’t think they’ll be able to sign him.

  190. m February 25th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Boras wouldn’t be able to afford his clients.

  191. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Fran-

    I don’t want Boston getting Reyes.

  192. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Fran the original February 25th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
    Who wins the contract disputes with players and Angels? Boras the owner or Boras the agent
    ***************************
    GB,
    Does he only sign his own clients?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Not if the players were friends with Moreno.

  193. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    m-

    I’m not so sure. Boras might drive a hard bargain with himself.

  194. Cashmoney February 25th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    -Boras(owner): according to our pythagorean saber analysis, we think Mr.Weaver should get paid by this X amount…

    -Boras(agent): Mr.Boras I believe u have vastly undervalued an asset as valuable as Mr. Weaver, (handing Boras the owner a 350 pages detail study of weaver career chart) ahem…, we believe this team would actually implode in his possible absence. figuratively and literally.

    -Boras(owner) Mr. Boras, our NASA saber research team recently discover this (shows Boras the agent a 1500 page study of big bang baseball theory construct with the absences of Weaver)

    -Silence….

    -Stare down…

  195. m February 25th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    MTU,

    If he salted away his Yankees commissions, he might be able to buy a team. :)

  196. GreenBeret7 February 25th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    Watching Costas and Bob Gibson and some jerk that used to be Gibson’s catcher. Gibson is a funny guy.

    NOW!!!

  197. BoJo February 25th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    Santana, Reyes, Beltran, Bay, KRod, Perez, and Castillo will all be available, and other team may pick up a Reyes if they take a Perez or Castillo.

  198. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    m-

    Or a Country.

    :)

  199. Fran the original February 25th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    MTU,

    I don’t want Reyes going to Boston either. But I expect the Mets to trade him before he hits Free Agency.

  200. BoJo February 25th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Boras will sign every one of his own players but give them all opt out clauses after one year. It’s the structure Finley wanted!

  201. BoJo February 25th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Reyes would look pretty evil in that Boston line-up leading off.

  202. m February 25th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    The Dominican Republic. All the citizens would be Boras clients. :P

  203. Fran the original February 25th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    New Post – Yankees to honor Boss with pregame ceremony Saturday

    :arrow:

  204. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Fran-

    I understand. Just so long as he doesn’t wind up wearing bloody sox I don’t care where he goes.

  205. BoJo February 25th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Ellsbury, Reyes, Crawford, AGon, Pukeymon, Ortiz, Pedroia, Drew, C

    Evil

  206. MTU February 25th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    m-

    :)

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