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Joba: Delivery is “leaps and bounds” ahead of where it was before

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Feb 26, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

When he first got into pro ball, Joba Chamberlain would come set with his hands at his waist. Over the next few years, though, he began to raise them, holding them at his chest instead. He isn’t sure why he made the change, really, but after working this winter on getting his hands to their old position Chamberlain feels like his pitching motion is back in a groove.

He worked easily through a perfect third inning, striking out Wilson Valdez with a sharp slider.

“I had some good nerves today, which was exciting for me,” he said afterward. “I was able to pitch off my fastball, which sometimes I get away from.”

There has been – as always – plenty of questions surrounding Chamberlain, whether it’s his weight or his role or whether the Yankees will keep him or trade him down the road. Bottom line? Whatever happens, any situation will be better if Chamberlain is pitching more effectively, and today was as good a start as he could have wanted.

 
 

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162 Responses to “Joba: Delivery is “leaps and bounds” ahead of where it was before”

  1. Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    It’s early, but better to look good than not. I didn’t have a problem with Eiland while he was here, but looking back, I don’t think he was of great help to the kids. Now, let’s see if Rothschild can help re-discover Phil’s curve and if he can maintain AJ’s new mechanics. I like Rothschild already.

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Betsy, agree, agree, and agree!

  3. BJ in the Bronx February 26th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    “The Yankees GM said the right-hander could possibly be in the team’s 2011 bullpen but wouldn’t guarantee that Chamberlain would even play at Yankee Stadium.

    New York Yankees Brian Cashman’s message to pitcher Joba Chamberlain wasn’t exactly a sweet, rose-colored valentine card the day before the team opens spring training tomorrow in Tampa. It sounded more like a pink slip.

    The Yankees GM said the right-hander could possibly be in the team’s 2011 bullpen but wouldn’t guarantee that Chamberlain would even play at Yankee Stadium.

    According to the New York Post, Cashman replied,” Anybody who has [minor-league] options is not a lock for anything. Any player with options has to re-earn everything. You earn more or you earn less–New York or Scranton [Triple-A]. I fully expect Joba to be in our bullpen. If not, he would have worked his way out of it.”

    http://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/.....le/4160248

  4. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Betsy I responded to your post about Eiland and Joba and Phil on the last thread.

    :)

  5. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    Like him why Betsy? What has he done so far? His track record over a nine years span in Chicago was middle-of-the-road at best

    http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....rothschild

  6. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Betsy, you certainly have the right to like him. And speaking of middle-of-the-road at best, Torre came to the Yankees not as middle of the road but as a stone-cold loser. And some posters here see him as the second coming of Christ.

    So I guess anybody has the possibility of reaching nirvana, no matter where he has been in the past.

  7. MTU February 26th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    When you see a guy throw a baseball it looks so simple to the fan. It happens so quickly.

    But the physical act of Pitching really is anything but simple.

    If you do time lapse photography on a Pitcher throwing a baseball it would show exactly how amazing it really is.

    Small changes to this complex process sometimes can yield big results- either for the better or for the worse.

    Let’s hope that Joba has re-discovered a small change for the better that leads to big positive results.

    Great thing is he discovered it himself by watching old video.

    :)

  8. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    phil is a power pitcher, by his own admission…anyone can see that when he freezes hitters with late life, the curve and his nonexistent changeup are figments of the imagination…many pitchers have had success leading with the fastball.

  9. BJ in the Bronx February 26th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    “Joba is not competing for No. 5,” Girardi said. “We just consider him a bullpen guy. I think Brian [Cashman] talked a little bit about it in the offseason. We just feel he’s built to be more of a bullpen guy. That’s our feeling.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....ullpen-guy

  10. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    If you don’t know what he’s done so far, you apparently haven’t been paying attention to what he’s already done with Joba and the work he’s done with AJ. It’s your bad if you don’t keep up with things.

  11. Carl February 26th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Increasing K rates?

    Keep walk rates the same?

    That’s middle of the road?

    Not to mention his staffs have lead the majors in k’s many times.

  12. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    He’s done nothing substantive with Joba so far. Joba made the adjustment starting his hands lower at his waist “on his own” this winter. Rothschild had nothing to do with it.

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    “Increasing K rates?

    Keep walk rates the same?

    That’s middle of the road?

    Not to mention his staffs have lead the majors in k’s many times.”

    :)

  14. Ruby Friday February 26th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    Did Joba just win the Cy Young?…………………….no my mistake it was Jon Lester.

  15. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    Rothchild is the father figure where Eiland was your drunk uncle.

  16. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    He’s worked with Joba. You don’t know jack about what effect he’s had on Joba. Or apparently what he’s done elsewhere, despite your penchant for googling and copying links.

    Thanks Carl.

  17. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    Rothschild may turn out to be an excellent pitching coach. I hope so. But don’t you think it’s reasonable to wait and see what the Yankee pitchers do? There is nothing to base any evaluation on so far.

  18. Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Trish (from prior thread), Phil isn’t ready made, though – he’s got a lot to work on.. He needs Rothschild every bit as much as Joba does.

  19. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Trisha first you ask for links. Then I provide you links and you complain about my providing them. Feeling a bit confused are you?

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    “Rothchild is the father figure where Eiland was your drunk uncle.”

    :lol:

    I am so psyched with how he is working with the pitchers mick. I think we have discovered gold in him. Truly. Face it, there are some Yankee pitchers who need that kind of father figure guidance. It’s not a bad thing.

  21. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    Rothschild may turn out to be an excellent pitching coach. I hope so. But don’t you think it’s reasonable to wait and see what the Yankee pitchers do? There is nothing to base any evaluation on so far.
    =============
    No.
    One ST game is enough.

  22. Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    WC, what Carl said. Obviously I could be wrong -but I love what he did with the Cubs (and really, he can’t turn sows ears into silk purses, no PC can). I also love that he understands that pitchers are individuals and so he is tayloring his teaching to their individual needs.

  23. Ruby Friday February 26th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    Unfortunately for the Joba worship crew here he will not be jumping over Rivera and Soriano in the bullpen pecking order this year or next. Get used to it.

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    I consider your links worthless. I guess that’s what I’m saying. They prove nothing. You make unequivocal statements, like things are etched in stone, and then you provide quotes about the here and now and nothing more. BFD.

    **************

    Bets, when I say Phil is ready made, I mean maturity wise. I think he is every coach’s dream, because he listens. Joba to me is more like a spirited pony that needs breaking (in a nice way). I do think Rothschild is the one to do it.

  25. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Worked with Joba for a week.

  26. Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    No pitcher can succeed with one pitch, unless he’s Walter Johnson (or Mo as a reliever)

  27. Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Trish, we’ll see……Joba’s stubborness is something I don’t attribute to being a big kid (I mean, Jeter had to come out and yell at him on the mound), but then I don’t think he has a patent on stubborness either, lol

  28. Ruby Friday February 26th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    So Rothschild is now the holy grail of PC’s? The Cubs last won what?

  29. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Right. Quotes from Cashman proving you wrong mean nothing. LOL OK then.

  30. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    “Bottom line? Whatever happens, any situation will be better if Chamberlain is pitching more effectively, and today was as good a start as he could have wanted.”

    :)

    You betcha Sam. I thank the good Lord that Joba got religion, whatever it took in the off season. Good for him.

  31. Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    WC, I have a good feeling about Rothschild…………that’s all. I think he’s going to be very good…..We’ll have to wait and see.

  32. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Joba is out for Joba.
    Nothing wrong with that.
    If he can help the team he helps himself.
    He really has no future here and I think he knows that.
    His best bet is to be good, get himself traded, and possibly start or close somewhere.

  33. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    No pitcher can succeed with one pitch, unless he’s Walter Johnson (or Mo as a reliever)
    ===============
    What about your idol Clemens?

  34. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    WC, you have told us that Joba will NEVER be a starter. What arrogance you have. Like you know.

    :lol:

    And I don’t care what Cashman says in the here and now. Last year he was saying something totally different. Do you get it yet, how life works?

    **********

    Betsy, again I think Rothschild has the personality, temperament, and philosophy to work with all kinds of personalities. That’s nothing but good for pitchers like Joba and AJ, who may need a different kind of handling.

    I read the guy’s philosophy on dealing with pitchers, and I fell in love with him on the spot!

  35. BJ in the Bronx February 26th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Did I miss something here ? I’m glad that the Yankees made a move to add a new pitching coach to work with the problem pitchers on the staff. So far with one game played in ST there are no concrete results of anything to speak of.

    Maybe the Ruby comment above is correct Rothschild and the Cubbies never won anything so cut Rothschild some slack until we can see some results.

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    “He really has no future here and I think he knows that.”

    On that we will have to agree to disagree. And I totally disagree with that assessment.]

    So we wait and watch.

  37. Ruby Friday February 26th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    Joba found religion? In a bottle at the bar of on the mustard jar at the hot dog stand?

  38. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
    WC, I have a good feeling about Rothschild…………that’s all. I think he’s going to be very good…..We’ll have to wait and see.

    ///
    Philosophically he’s a better mentor for the power arms here. We have guys who can strike people out and that’s Rothschild’s preferred method of getting outs. It’s certainly a much better match for Joba.

  39. Ruby Friday February 26th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    I understand now this is the ‘I Love Joba Show’ he can do no wrong ever and is loved by many. Is this a bad joke?

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    “Did I miss something here ? I’m glad that the Yankees made a move to add a new pitching coach to work with the problem pitchers on the staff. So far with one game played in ST there are no concrete results of anything to speak of.

    Maybe the Ruby comment above is correct Rothschild and the Cubbies never won anything so cut Rothschild some slack until we can see some results”

    Here’s the beauty with this kind of stuff. We’re all free to see things differently. We don’t all use the same filters to come to decisions. Some of us need to see it in black and white to believe it. Others of us need only know something about someone’s philosophy to be embued with faith that great things will come of it.

    Different strokes for different folks. Believe the way you want. We all do. We don’t all need something jammed in our faces to see it as good. Some of us just happen to be blessed with –

    perspicacity.

    :D D :D

  41. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Let’s see:
    Joba will not start here.
    Joba will not close here.
    Joba in the 8th, No.
    Joba in the 7th, maybe.
    Joba in the 6th, more likely.

  42. Nick in SF February 26th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    I hope this doesn’t lead to the $10,000 Skype challenge.

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    “We’ll have to wait and see.”

    Not a bad thing to do!

  44. Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    WTH are you talking about Mick? First of all, he wasn’t my IDOL – oh forget it. You have no interest in doing anything but being on obnoxious you know what, so I’m dropping this. By the way, if you think Clemens was a one pitch pitcher, then you’re beyond hopeless

  45. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    mick – I don’t know what Joba will do. I don’t even care to guess. I just believe that it is going to be very very good. And that’s good enough for me.

    :)

  46. Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    I wonder how you classify a power pitcher? Phil only throws 92 MPH and he doesn’t strike a ton out – I would not call him a power pitcher. J Alfred, you’re right -Rothschild is a good fit for Joba and AJ.

  47. BJ in the Bronx February 26th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    Unfortunately Joba is buried deep in the pen. Cashman signed Colon, Garcia and Prior to fill the back end of the rotation along with Nova. Looks like Joba is a 5 thru 7 inning man. Nothing more and nothing less.

  48. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    I am really excited to see AJ. Where there’s life, there’s hope! I’m hearing a lot of positives so far!

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    Ruby, Joba’s feeling like his old self. Better warn your boyfriend Youk to duck.

  50. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    I hope Joba sets the world on fire.
    I just think the Yanks are tired of the head trips and are planning to trade him when he regains value.

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    BJ – we’ll see. For all you know he could work his way to strong middle relief or spot starter. The point is you don’t know. I’m willing to watch it unfold.

  52. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    Joba classifies himself as a power pitcher. So be it.

  53. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Joba classifies himself as a power pitcher. So be it.
    ==================================
    My bad. Make that Phil.

  54. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    I don’t think the Yankees will ever trade Joba. Or at least not in the forseeable future. I think he will once again insinuate himself into the fold in a very strong way. The bullpen is going to be one of the Yankees strongest assets this year. I think Joba is going to shine.

    But again I am happy to watch it unfold. I don’t need the blueprint to feel good about it.

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
    I wonder how you classify a power pitcher? Phil only throws 92 MPH and he doesn’t strike a ton out – I would not call him a power pitcher. J Alfred, you’re right -Rothschild is a good fit for Joba and AJ.
    ////

    If you look at his stats in April and May his Ks were around 9/9. Let’s see what happens with more IP under his belt. He’s got a great FB with late life that gets a lot of swings and misses. I’m expecting Rothschild to help Phil have more months like April and May. He’s got the stuff.

  56. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    “Ruby, Joba’s feeling like his old self. Better warn your boyfriend Youk to duck.”

    :lol:

  57. BJ in the Bronx February 26th, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Each to their own. If Rothschild can make a positive effect on AJ, Joba, Mitre, Nova, Garcia and some of the young guys all the better. If it lines the team up for the future to better give an opportunity to some of our young talent at the ML level all the better.

    To me if it improves the team and translates to W’s that makes my day. IMO, Joba is stuck in the middle of the pen until he proves otherwise on a consistent basis.

  58. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Joba’s problem has been inconsistency.
    That is a cardinal sin in baseball.
    When does that change?
    It hasn’t changed for AJ and he is much older than Joba.
    Yanks are prob. betting it doesn’t change for Joba and will deal him first chance they get for a quality starter.
    Robo can pitch the 6th or 7th.

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    “IMO, Joba is stuck in the middle of the pen until he proves otherwise on a consistent basis.”

    I’m absolutely with you on that. I guess I just believe he is going to be proving otherwise on a consistent basis. It’s going to be exciting to watch it unfold though!

  60. Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    J Alfred, that’s true enough……..too bad Phil’s game is not on tv :mad:

  61. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    The Yanks will get a quality starter this year.

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    Joba has bounced like a ball. Maybe with Rothschild he will be able to calm down enough to discover the consistency.

    Lionel Louge did it for Bertie when nobody else could – and many had tried. But Bertie had it in there to do it, just as Joba does. We all need teachers.

  63. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Yeah the Rocket sure changed speeds and what a curveball.
    The only speed that changed was fast and faster.

  64. Ruby Friday February 26th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    The Red Sox will score so many runs vs NY this year that more often than not it will be Mitre in the game as the lon mop up man. Joba will get decked if he messes with the ‘Mad Russian’.

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Larry Rothschild will be Joba’s Lionel Louge. AJ’s too.

    :)

  66. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Believe me, Liriano is on their radar.
    If Rothchild can “fix” Joba in April and Liriano is available…well you do the math.

  67. Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Whatever Mick, but wake me up when Phil transforms into something like Roger (and by the way, he had a split-fingered FB – that counts as another pitch, you know)

  68. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
    Joba’s problem has been inconsistency.
    That is a cardinal sin in baseball.

    ///
    mick young pitchers are fairly well known for inconsistency, that’s why they call it development.

  69. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    why not give the kid a chance?

  70. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Watching Treasure Island with Jack Palance. Love Treasure Island.

    :)

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    “mick young pitchers are fairly well known for inconsistency, that’s why they call it development.”

    Aha!

  72. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
    J Alfred, that’s true enough……..too bad Phil’s game is not on tv

    ///
    yea I don’t like missing the young guys throw.

  73. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    mick young pitchers are fairly well known for inconsistency, that’s why they call it development.
    ============================
    tell that to our mutual friend.
    joba is pigeonholed into a role that can be filled by one of our prospects.
    the old story was to hype our prospects then trade them.
    if we can get a quality starter for joba, you can be sure they will do it.

  74. yankeefeminista February 26th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    Phil is never on TV in ST. It is a secret plot.

    Love the adjustments Joba made, pre-Rothschild even.

    Ruby Friday, why not Ruby Saturday? Or can’t you count? :)

  75. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
    “mick young pitchers are fairly well known for inconsistency, that’s why they call it development.”

    Aha!

    ///
    LOL

  76. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    When I saw the stats on television today about last year’s rotation’s WL record, it hit me that Phil, for all he struggled, kicked ass. 18 wins? That’s nothing short of amazing.

  77. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 26th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    It appears to me that Trisha is actually optimistic about the team she roots for.

    Imagine that!

  78. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    “Ruby Friday, why not Ruby Saturday? Or can’t you count? ”

    :lol:

    Laughing my yass off!!!

  79. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    the yanks want to develop joba.
    then trade away their prized 6/7th IG for a starter.

  80. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    “It appears to me that Trisha is actually optimistic about the team she roots for.

    Imagine that!”

    :)

    Is that a bad thing?

  81. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    yankeefeminista February 26th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
    Phil is never on TV in ST. It is a secret plot.

    Love the adjustments Joba made, pre-Rothschild even.
    ///

    Yankfem – yea he was also back to that snapping action that I think made his FB move. They started fussing with him, trying to make him support the arm by so deliberately coming over the top to make im less armsy and that just took away is unique throwing DNA that makes him successful I would say. It’s early yet but boy he sure looked like the old Joba! Exciting.

  82. RMS February 26th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Let’s see what Joba and AJ do when the games count, though I must say Joba looked good today.

    I think if a very good SP becomes available, they will trade Joba if he continues pitching well.

  83. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    “the yanks want to develop joba.
    then trade away their prized 6/7th IG for a starter.”

    Dearest mick, let us continue to agree to disagree. The Yankees do not know whether they are going to need to trade for a starter. They cannot know. Luckily they do not make precipitous moves or decisions or unequivocal statements about what they are going to do unless they know they need to do it.

    Plenty of time to figure that out. Instead of plissing it away with unequivocal statements of being, why not just watch and enjoy whatever comes? Just a thought. I adore the present. It sure beats living in the future.

  84. mick February 26th, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Never have enough good starting pitching.

  85. mick February 26th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    Buy low, sell high.

  86. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 26th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
    “It appears to me that Trisha is actually optimistic about the team she roots for.

    Imagine that!”

    Is that a bad thing?

    —————————–

    It would appear so, at least to those who feel compelled to save you from your optimism.

  87. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Though I don’t know the future, here’s the reason I believe the Yankee organization will not trade away a newly-minted Joba. Well a few reasons. The organization has been hyping Joba forever. To trade him away would leave them with egg on their face – not something the organization cottens to. They stick with their players, especially the high-profile ones. Secondly, I think they know his stuff is phenomenal and if he gets it back to where it was, why ever would they want to part with it? To let another team enjoy it? If they were going to give up on Joba, they would have done with the majority of lohud predicted they were going to do – traded him away in the offseason. (I was with the minority who said Joba would not be traded. Thank you, thank you.) If not a starter, he could be the lights-out setup man for Rafael Soriano, when Soriano replaces Mo. Don’t be precipitous. Be perspicacious.

    That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

    :)

  88. m February 26th, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    I don’t know why Girardi and Cash have to keep saying that Joba is a reliever. What was that? A reporter asked about it again? ;)

    I’m glad to hear that Joba feels good. I think that’s important because confidence is important in pitching.

    Hope this will help him repeat his delivery.

  89. Doreen February 26th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    I missed every blasted second of the game. From 10:15 this morning until about 10 minutes ago, I haven’t had a second. It took us 3 hours to get the car. The car is wonderful; the people were pleasant; but no amount of nice can get me back at least 2 hours of the time we spent at the dealership. They told us it would take half an hour. I added 15 minutes to that. My husband doubled it. We were both so off. If they told us it was going to take that long to process the paperwork, we could have gone for lunch and come back. No need for us to sit there. But I love, love, love the car.

    I drove it to White Plains, which is where I am now. I am staying at my daughter’s so we can go to a fund-raiser brunch tomorrow morning. She is out with her friends. I stayed behind and cleaned her apartment. Then I went out for a walk – it was great to get some fresh air. I was going to get a couple of bottles of water and a cup of coffee, but I decided on a bottle of wine rather than a cup of coffee (I’m not drinking the whole bottle, don’t worry!). Then I got back here and poured myself a glass of wine, and straightened out her paper stuff.

    And now, here I am.

    I am so glad for Joba that he had good first outing. It’s early, but like Betsy said way earlier, even if it’s early, it’s better to be good than not. :)

    I don’t know and I don’t care if the won or lost today but I really expected to have been able to see an inning or two. Is tomorrow’s game on TV? Is it in the afternoon or evening? I’ll be driving home from here mid- to late afternoon. I’ll probably miss tomorrow too. :?

    What stinks is the whole winter, the whole loooooong winter with next to nothing to do. Waiting for the first spring training games. They finally arrive and – well, I’m not available!!!! :lol:

  90. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    “It would appear so, at least to those who feel compelled to save you from your optimism.”

    :lol:

    But dear sirs (she addresses those of that predisposition) I don’t want to be saved from my optimism! I love my optimism! It makes the lows go away and makes the highs even higher! Whyever would I want to be dispossessed of that?

    :)

  91. mick February 26th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    The Yanks have hyped their prospects from day one ,and are doing so now, hoping they pan out but with an eye on trading them.

    Joba had no value in the offseason but because of one game, today, he now has trade value again.

    Use your noodle.

  92. yankeefeminista February 26th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
    Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
    I wonder how you classify a power pitcher? Phil only throws 92 MPH and he doesn’t strike a ton out – I would not call him a power pitcher. J Alfred, you’re right -Rothschild is a good fit for Joba and AJ.
    ////

    If you look at his stats in April and May his Ks were around 9/9. Let’s see what happens with more IP under his belt. He’s got a great FB with late life that gets a lot of swings and misses. I’m expecting Rothschild to help Phil have more months like April and May. He’s got the stuff.
    _______
    Also his curveball was not his norm in 2010 (outlier). Very low number of swings (3.4% second half). He should get more swings and misses on that pitch next year.

  93. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Doreen, no DVR? I’m so happy you finally have your car. You really didn’t miss a lot today. You are going to be very happy to see Joba being Joba again! And I’m sure you will see it soon.

    (We’re hearing very good things about Rothschild. Hopefully Monday’s game will be televised. I’m pretty sure AJ has that game.)

    You are right not to pay attention to the WLs. It isn’t like all of the people who will go north spend the entire day in every game. There’s a lot of woodshedding, which is what ST should be all about anyway!

  94. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    “Joba had no value in the offseason but because of one game, today, he now has trade value again.

    Use your noodle.”

    I AM using my noodle. You want another starting pitcher. You’re coming from what you want to happen. I will make you a tidy little bet that you have it all wrong. That’s how sure I am that Joba will remain Yankee property.

  95. yankeefeminista February 26th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    Hi Doreen. I think YES is replaying the game at 11:30.

  96. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Joba is still the Yankees future. Bank on it.

    And I’m right until I’m not.

  97. mick February 26th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    we all are.

  98. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Dionysius, the fact that I have grounds for Yankee optimism seems to elude those who live in a black cloud…

    :)

  99. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    “we all are.”

    Absolutely! So let’s all do what Betsy suggested. Wait and see.

  100. mick February 26th, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    without a doubt…

  101. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    I love Ozzie Guillen! Talking about Bobby Jenks.

    “I respect his wife, I respect his kid. I’m not even mad. I wish I was mad about it because I will rip his throat out.”

  102. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Doreen, if it is repeated at 11:30, definitely watch Joba’s inning. He had his FILTHY slider in there. It looked like old times at Ridgemont High!

    :)

  103. mick February 26th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    Ozzie: “Say hello to my little friend.”

  104. RMS February 26th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    “Joba is still the Yankees future. Bank on it.”

    If Cashman/Girardi have the need for a SP, not a back of the rotation starter, I believe Joba will be part of a package to get one. You have to give up value to get value.

  105. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 26th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    mick February 26th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
    The Yanks have hyped their prospects from day one ,and are doing so now, hoping they pan out but with an eye on trading them.

    Joba had no value in the offseason but because of one game, today, he now has trade value again.

    Use your noodle.

    ——————————–

    I recall reading somewhere (here?) about Cashman making a point of Joba’s option if he doesn’t earn his role in the pen.

    That doesn’t much sound to me like he was hyping him. And that’s also not the kind of comment any GM would make about someone they’re trying to build up in value for a trade.

  106. mick February 26th, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Cash can’t hype Joba. He is what he is at this point.
    They will hype their prospects, always have.
    Most have been traded away.

  107. Doreen February 26th, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    yankeefeminista-

    Thanks for that info. For some reason, I don’t think I’m gonna make it! :?

  108. Nick in SF February 26th, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    The Yankees didn’t do anything to hype Joba today; Joba did something to hype Joba today.

    Not that any hypothetical future trading partner would get excited from one inning on February 26th, but it was still good for us to see.

  109. Doreen February 26th, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    trisha -

    I have DVR. But who thought I wouldn’t be back by 1 pm when the appointment was for 11 am??????????????????????

  110. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    I could be wrong but I think mick might be operating on wishful thinking.

    I believe as firmly in the other direction that the Yankees still want Joba as part of their operation, albeit a successful part.

    Well all, it’s been good discussion. I can respect the opposing viewpoint without agreeing with it.

    GO YANKEES!!!

    :)

  111. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 26th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
    Dionysius, the fact that I have grounds for Yankee optimism seems to elude those who live in a black cloud…

    —————————————-

    Trisha, half empty or half full … and all that.

    To each his own.

    I’m with you.

    I’m also down with the venerable Yogi Berra, who said, “Ninety percent of this game is half-mental.”

  112. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    “I have DVR. But who thought I wouldn’t be back by 1 pm when the appointment was for 11 am??????????????????????”

    :)

    I see your point!

  113. Giuseppe Franco February 26th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    What exactly are the Yanks doing to “hype their prospects”?

    They have quite a few young arms and catchers in their system they think can help them at some point (or help someone else via trade).

    It’s not like the Yankee PR machine are waving pom poms and labeling these guys the next Johnny Bench, Roger Clemens, Mike Piazza, Pedro Martinez, Goose Gossage, etc. etc.

    The people who are “hyping” these kids are the fans and the media.

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    “I’m also down with the venerable Yogi Berra, who said, ‘Ninety percent of this game is half-mental.’”

    No doubt about it. And I’m trusting Larry Rothschild to deal with the 90% of the game that’s half mental!!!

    :D

  115. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 26th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    Congratulations on your new car, Doreen. Enjoy it!

  116. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    I was very pleased to see Joba get off to a good start in spring training. The team can definitely benefit from having a dependable sixth/seventh inning guy.

  117. Doreen February 26th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    trisha -

    I knew you would. :)

  118. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Never saw The Hurt Locker. It’s on in a little while. Has anyone seen it, and if so, is it worth the watch?

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    GF, I agree and I think that is where they will dip if they need to trade. I still say Joba will not be trade bait. JMO

  120. Doreen February 26th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Thanks, Dionysius Thelxinoe. :)

  121. mick February 26th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Joba will not be trade bait if he is awful…only if he is good.

  122. CompassRosy February 26th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Doreen ~

    Congrats on finally/i> getting das auto :-)

    Enjoy!

  123. CompassRosy February 26th, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    oops – out of practice, let’s try this again…

    Doreen ~

    Congrats on finally getting das auto :-)

    Enjoy!

  124. m February 26th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Trisha,

    Yes, yes, and yes.

    You’ll be more satisfied than you were last night with your pasta al dente.

  125. Nick in SF February 26th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    Rosy, Mariners over/under 70 wins?

  126. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    :)

    Thanks for that. The Hurt Locker it is! Night all.

    :)

  127. Ruby Friday February 26th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    That would be a 5th or 6th inning guy.

  128. m February 26th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Wait. I take that back. Don’t want to hype it so much that you’re disappointed. ;)

  129. Against All Odds February 26th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    # mick February 26th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Joba will not be trade bait if he is awful…only if he is good.

    ————————————–

    if he is bad he’ll probably be a throw in just to get him off the team

  130. Doreen February 26th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    Thanks Compass Rosy. Or, Danka. :)

    ***

    I’m watching When Harry Met Sally – one of my favorites. It’s almost over and I’m going to cry right—- now!

    :)

  131. m February 26th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    Joba is not going to be THAT bad that he pitches his way off the team.

    He might be pitching with a chip in his shoulder. Wanting to prove that he’s every bit as good as Hughes who gets paid double what he gets.

  132. Against All Odds February 26th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    # Giuseppe Franco February 26th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    What exactly are the Yanks doing to “hype their prospects”?

    They have quite a few young arms and catchers in their system they think can help them at some point (or help someone else via trade).

    It’s not like the Yankee PR machine are waving pom poms and labeling these guys the next Johnny Bench, Roger Clemens, Mike Piazza, Pedro Martinez, Goose Gossage, etc. etc.

    The people who are “hyping” these kids are the fans and the media.

    ——————————-

    Yankees G.M. Brian Cashman said “[Dellin Betances] might be our best pitching prospect ever.”

    http://waswatching.com/2010/09.....pect-ever/

  133. CompassRosy February 26th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Nick ~

    Over.

    Much like my ECS, Trisha, I’m ever the optimist ;-)

    Besides, the bats can’t POSSIBLY be worse than last year…

  134. Against All Odds February 26th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    # m February 26th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    Joba is not going to be THAT bad that he pitches his way off the team.

    He might be pitching with a chip in his shoulder. Wanting to prove that he’s every bit as good as Hughes who gets paid double what he gets.

    ————————————-

    Hopefully he takes that chip to the mound ever time he comes into the game. I can see him getting dealt for a starter if his value rises. I would rather see him start for the Yankees but that’s not going to happen.

  135. Nick in SF February 26th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Thanks, I will take that under consideration.

    And good luck.

  136. Fran the original February 26th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    I just finished watching the DVR of today’s game. Joba did look impressive. I know it’s only 1 inning, but it’s a start.
    ********
    Doreen, good luck with the car.

  137. CompassRosy February 26th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    Nick ~

    Not so sure you should take my gambling advice too seriously…
    when I was in Vegas for Super Bowl weekend, high-roller and risk-taker that I am, I put down ten bucks for the M’s to win it all (100/1).

    ;-)

  138. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Against All Odds February 26th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
    # Giuseppe Franco February 26th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    What exactly are the Yanks doing to “hype their prospects”?

    They have quite a few young arms and catchers in their system they think can help them at some point (or help someone else via trade).

    It’s not like the Yankee PR machine are waving pom poms and labeling these guys the next Johnny Bench, Roger Clemens, Mike Piazza, Pedro Martinez, Goose Gossage, etc. etc.

    The people who are “hyping” these kids are the fans and the media.

    ——————————-

    Yankees G.M. Brian Cashman said “[Dellin Betances] might be our best pitching prospect ever.”

    http://waswatching.com/2010/09…..pect-ever/

    ////

    THe kid is awfully good. Hey, Odds, where were ya when I needed you earlier? How maddeningly good did Chamberlain look today, eh?

  139. Against All Odds February 26th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    I don’t think the Yankees will ever trade Joba. Or at least not in the forseeable future. I think he will once again insinuate himself into the fold in a very strong way. The bullpen is going to be one of the Yankees strongest assets this year. I think Joba is going to shine.

    But again I am happy to watch it unfold. I don’t need the blueprint to feel good about it.

    ——————————–

    You and I agree on a lot things Trisha but we will disagree on this. I think the Yankees will trade Joba but they don’t want to give him away. I guess that’s what Cashman meant when he said getting fair value in return. IMO he’s not a vital part of this organization going forward but I wish he was.

  140. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    The writer took a cheap shot at our farm system and he’s got Dellin’s height wrong. Try 6-8. Or is it 6-9? It ain’t 6-4.

  141. Against All Odds February 26th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    # J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Against All Odds February 26th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
    # Giuseppe Franco February 26th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    What exactly are the Yanks doing to “hype their prospects”?

    They have quite a few young arms and catchers in their system they think can help them at some point (or help someone else via trade).

    It’s not like the Yankee PR machine are waving pom poms and labeling these guys the next Johnny Bench, Roger Clemens, Mike Piazza, Pedro Martinez, Goose Gossage, etc. etc.

    The people who are “hyping” these kids are the fans and the media.

    ——————————-

    Yankees G.M. Brian Cashman said “[Dellin Betances] might be our best pitching prospect ever.”

    http://waswatching.com/2010/09…..pect-ever/

    ////

    THe kid is awfully good. Hey, Odds, where were ya when I needed you earlier? How maddeningly good did Chamberlain look today, eh?

    ———————————

    Yea I missed all the fun. I went through the last post and this one and immediately no!!!!!!!!!! I missed all the Joba talk.

    He looked good today. Of course it was just one appearance but it was nice seeing him start off ST on the right foot. He attacked hitters and didn’t waist anytime.

  142. Nick in SF February 26th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Well, I doubt you’ll be able to cash in that ticket, but you should take the ‘Over 70 Wins’ bet so you can at least break even.

    Or lose more.

    Not all gambling ventures end well. :oops:

  143. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    He attacked hitters and didn’t waist anytime.

    ////
    Yea he’s doin what comes more naturally to him than the mechanics they tried to instill in him.I think that’s what flattened him out and made him nibble.I’m all Joba’d-out so you or Bojo will have to carry the torch, lol.

  144. CompassRosy February 26th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    I’m just hoping that my 50th birthday party, this past January, doesn’t turn out to be the most exciting event held at Safeco Field in 2011 …

    http://tinyurl.com/4uv9z66

    ;-)

  145. Against All Odds February 26th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    # J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    He attacked hitters and didn’t waist anytime.

    ////
    Yea he’s doin what comes more naturally to him than the mechanics they tried to instill in him.I think that’s what flattened him out and made him nibble.I’m all Joba’d-out so you or Bojo will have to carry the torch, lol.

    ————————–

    Sorry about the typo

    Good point his ball did flatten out and his mechanics last yr were all out of whack. Hopefully by having his hands at the waist it will take anyway the trouble he had last yr when it came to repeating his delivery.

    I’ll gladly carry the torch. :D

  146. Emerald Monday February 26th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Joba is the ‘Messiah’.

  147. Giuseppe Franco February 26th, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    # Against All Odds February 26th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    ——————————-

    Yankees G.M. Brian Cashman said “[Dellin Betances] might be our best pitching prospect ever.”

    http://waswatching.com/2010/09…..pect-ever/

    ———

    A.) Your link didn’t work

    B.) You singled out one guy. According to some, the Yankee PR machine is out in front and “hyping” all of these kids.

    C.) Perhaps Cashman was referring to the pitchers they’ve developed during his time as the GM. There’s only been a few (Wang, Hughes, and Joba) that have had any success since Cashman has been GM.

  148. Fran the original February 26th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    CompassRosy,

    Happy Birthday. Hope you enjoy your birthday year-long celebration :)

  149. Against All Odds February 26th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    http://realtimeyankees.com/201.....pect-ever/

    Try that link if it doesn’t work than I’ll try to find another one but that quote was made by Cashman.

    The Yankees always hype up their prospects. Not saying Killer B’s won’t make it or are not as good as advertised but the Yankees have always hyped up players.

  150. Nick in SF February 26th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    Joba flattened out his waist?

    Rosy, must have been fun. Not to worry, the Yanks should provide some excitement at SafeCo this season.

  151. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    Emerald Monday February 26th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
    Joba is the ‘Messiah’.
    ///

    I’d settle for No. 4 starter.
    ///

    Much more fun to look ahead to Nova than Colon. Dellin’s going tomorrow and of course, The Jesus is doing the catching. On Sunday morning here, the church bells are going off like crazy. I can pretend they’re heralding the Jesus’ first game behind the plate. Maybe burn some frank & myrrh.

  152. tyanksfan36 February 26th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    Compass Rosy

    That looks like a great time. Ill be celebrating my 24th at Tropicana Field, luckily for me my Yankees will be there too.

  153. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 26th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    frank & myrrh? No beans?

  154. Fran the original February 26th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    tyanks,

    When is your birthday?

  155. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    Dionysius Thelxinoe February 26th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
    frank & myrrh? No beans?

    ////
    too pedestrian for the big guy :D

  156. David in Cal February 26th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Here’s a comparison of Joba to some other young pitchers:

    Phillip Hughes. Age 24. Lifetime ERA+ 105
    Joba Chamberlain. Age 25. Lifetime ERA+ 119
    Clay Bucholtz. Age 25. Lifetime ERA+ 123
    David Price. Age 24. Lifetime ERA+ 124

    Maybe Joba will never be as valuable as Hughes, Bucholtz or Price. Still, his record doesn’t look out of place in this group. In other words, Joba’s age and lifetime performance make him quite valuable based on potential alone. He’s too young to give up on.

  157. CompassRosy February 26th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Thanks, Fran – I fully intend to!

    Yeah, Nick – the Yanks usually do provide some excitement at Safeco … for the Yank fans.

    Enjoy, TY!
    I always wanted to be able to spend my birthday at a Mariners game, but kinda tough to in January. That’s why I decided to mark the big milestone by doing the next best thing by celebrating my “winter” birthday at my “summer home” :-)

  158. tyanksfan36 February 26th, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    Fran

    My birthday is May 16. The first meeting of the Rays and Yankees in the 2011 season. In honor of it being my 24th I am going to get a Robinson Cano shirt. I can hardly wait.

  159. Giuseppe Franco February 26th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    # Against All Odds February 26th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    http://realtimeyankees.com/201…..pect-ever/

    Try that link if it doesn’t work than I’ll try to find another one but that quote was made by Cashman.

    The Yankees always hype up their prospects. Not saying Killer B’s won’t make it or are not as good as advertised but the Yankees have always hyped up players.

    ————

    If hyping their prospects and manipulating the fans and other organizations was that easy, they’d be overselling the smaller upside kids and trading them way and keeping the higher upside kids for themselves.

  160. Fran the original February 26th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    tyanks,

    Sounds like a pretty good birthday celebration to me :)

  161. Against All Odds February 26th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    # Giuseppe Franco February 26th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    # Against All Odds February 26th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    http://realtimeyankees.com/201…..pect-ever/

    Try that link if it doesn’t work than I’ll try to find another one but that quote was made by Cashman.

    The Yankees always hype up their prospects. Not saying Killer B’s won’t make it or are not as good as advertised but the Yankees have always hyped up players.

    ————

    If hyping their prospects and manipulating the fans and other organizations was that easy, they’d be overselling the smaller upside kids and trading them way and keeping the higher upside kids for themselves.

    ———————————

    They aren’t spinning straw into gold but the Yankees have been known to hype up their guys. Wasn’t Cashman the one tooting the horn of the 3 relievers coming up and having an impact on the team.

  162. tyanksfan36 February 26th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    CompassRosy

    My friend has the same problem. Her birthday is at the end of November so she never gets to see baseball on her Bday.


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