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The Derby begins (and other postgame notes)

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Francisco Cervelli spent two months this winter working out with Robinson Cano in the Dominican Republic – “I killed the gym,” he said – and he remembers being impressed with how Bartolo Colon was pitching when Cervelli watched winter ball games on television. The Colon that Cervelli caught this afternoon, though, wasn’t nearly as sharp as the one he saw on TV.

“He’s not there yet,” Cervelli said.

Of course, there’s plenty of time. As Joe Girardi said, the Yankees don’t have to make a decision on their Rotation Derby for about a month. But Colon, who didn’t pitch at all in 2010, was mostly pleased with his performance after allowing a run on two hits in two innings. He said he wants to work on getting his sinker to be more effective against lefthanders – an issue that was highlighted by Ben Francisco’s smoked line drive that went for a triple off a sinker that didn’t sink.

“I’m just trying to get it on the inside of the plate,” Colon said through an interpreter. Asked how close he feels to being that pitcher that won the Cy Young for the Angels in 2005, Colon said, “I feel that I’m real close. In the Dominican, I felt I was right there.”

We’ll see. Colon will pitch again next week, but before that the Yankees will look at Ivan Nova (tomorrow), Sergio Mitre (tomorrow) and Freddy Garcia (Thursday), as well as the kids. “To me, the important thing is to let it play out,” Girardi said of the competition. “You don’t want to jump to any conclusions.”

• Girardi had the same reaction that most of you probably did when he saw Mark Teixeira get hit by a pitch in his first at-bat of the spring. “I was saying, ‘Already?’” Girardi said. Fortunately, Teixeira is OK – though you could see a nasty bruise on the edge of his right big toe when he took off his sock – and said he knows it’s just part of the drill. “I get hit all the time,” he said.

• I’ll have more on Joba Chamberlain later but suffice it to say he was pleased with his clean inning. He was surprised to hear he hit 94-95 mph on the radar gun this early (“it felt like I was throwing bowling balls, to be honest with you,” he said) and admitted he hadn’t been up that high this soon in five or six years.

• Girardi said that Mitre, Boone Logan and Dellin Bettances will be among the pitchers following Nova tomorrow in Clearwater.

• Those of you still watching late saw Jorge Vazquez crush a home run over the batter’s eye in center field in the seventh inning and when Girardi was asked if he’d ever seen someone hit one that far, he said, “Noooooo.” What did Girardi know about Vazquez coming into camp? “I knew he could swing the bat.”

• Russell Martin, the only regular who didn’t play today, will likely be the DH on Monday and then get behind the plate on Wednesday or Thursday.

• Andrew Brackman will do some physical tests tomorrow and if all goes well could throw again on Monday.

* That’s an AP shot of Bartolo.

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161 Responses to “The Derby begins (and other postgame notes)”

  1. Nick in SF February 26th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    I am up$et that they lo$t. :oops:

  2. LGY February 26th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Joe Torre would have won this game.

  3. Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    He’s not there yet, Frankie? I wonder why, after one inning of ST,lol

  4. UnKnown February 26th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Pete Abe Tweets – Following the Youkilis homer, Commissoner Selig walked on the field and awarded the Red Sox the World Series trophy

    Wow a Homer off of BC and the champions of 2011 are decided already. Pete sure is something else now days. He was always a little quirky.

  5. E . R . California February 26th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    ” a nasty bruise on the edge of his right big toe ”

    Let me guess .

    This will bother him the entire 2011 season .

  6. UnKnown February 26th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Can’t Tex just start wearing steel toed cleats or something.

  7. m February 26th, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    Good to hear that Joba pitched well. I knew his stuff would play better out of the bullpen. I kid, I kid. :)

  8. E . R . California February 26th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    Just our luck .

    No ?

  9. BJ in the Bronx February 26th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    ” a nasty bruise on the edge of his right big toe ”

    ———————–

    Does that mean a .120 BA in April ?

  10. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    The best parts of the game was Rodriguez with two rockets to center and right center…Colon looked good for the most part. Chamberlain was outstanding….Robertson, was pretty good, but, still tended to nibble at the corners. Nunex hit three balls well, but, needs to keep them out of the air. Teixeira smoked that triple. Vazquez does what he always does….hits shots. His defense at 1st and 3rd is nothing special. Laird and Romine were sort of a mixed showing, but both had one good at bat. Noesi did well, just needed to keep the ball down. He’s a strikeout pitcher, but, needs to get the ground ball pitches working. Wordekemper is what he’s always been…a minor league pitcher. Phelps faced hitters that all had more than 500 ML at bats, but, he won’t rattle and will be better in the next outing.

  11. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    ***Nunez***

  12. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    BryanHoch Bryan Hoch
    Among Yankees pitchers tomorrow @ Phils: Ivan Nova, Sergio Mitre, Boone Logan, Dellin Betances

  13. tyanksfan36 February 26th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    I have a question. Did anyone used to go to Spring Training about 7-10 years ago. I swear that they used to play more than just the standard 2 AB like they do now. I never remember them being replaced as early. Maybe I just checked out when the big names left because I don’t ever really remember seeing the minor league players at the ST games I went to in the early 2000′s

    If anyone else went back then and could help me out, that would be great.

  14. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    They’ll get more at bats more innings as the games goes along. The first week, the vets will hardly play any games back to back. That hasn’t changed much over the last 15 years or so. The pitchers don’t pile up as many ST innings as before, though.

  15. Mike_Boston February 26th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    I have a question. Did anyone used to go to Spring Training about 7-10 years ago. I swear that they used to play more than just the standard 2 AB like they do now. I never remember them being replaced as early. Maybe I just checked out when the big names left because I don’t ever really remember seeing the minor league players at the ST games I went to in the early 2000?s

    If anyone else went back then and could help me out, that would be great.

    ———————————————————————————————————–
    I’ve been going for about 15 years off/on but always plan for later March because of that reason. The regulars play more like 5-6 innings in a few weeks as they break them in gradually. Pretty sure that hasn’t changed over the years.

  16. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    tyanksfan36 February 26th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    I have a question. Did anyone used to go to Spring Training about 7-10 years ago. I swear that they used to play more than just the standard 2 AB like they do now. I never remember them being replaced as early. Maybe I just checked out when the big names left because I don’t ever really remember seeing the minor league players at the ST games I went to in the early 2000?s

    If anyone else went back then and could help me out, that would be great

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    A lot of the reason was GMS. He lived and died with winning games against the Mets and Red Sox. Those games were important to him….image and bragging rights.

  17. tyanksfan36 February 26th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Thanks, I guess we always went later in spring training and saw them play longer. They also didn’t have as exciting prospects back then like they do now. Tomorrow is going to be a good game with Betances and Montero, I might buy a 1 month subscription to mlb.tv just so I can see all the prospects play.

  18. BeholdArNo February 26th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    GMS lived and died with winning World Series. He loved to win all games, even ST, but he only lived and died with WS

  19. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Do not trade Joba.

  20. mick February 26th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    I have thought it over and think Colon does not make team.
    Nova is the 5th and Freddy the 4th.

  21. mick February 26th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    I saw Jesus hit one over that wall in BP last spring.

  22. pat February 26th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    JackCurryYES Andruw Jones is in front of me at traffic light. Me? Chevy Cruze. Him? Rolls Royce.

    Bet the Yankees have the most interesting player parking lots. My son was surprised by some of the cars guys were driving last year in ST.

  23. tyanksfan36 February 26th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Pat

    One woman I work with, her husband works security there at the player entrance and was telling me the cars they drive.

  24. mick February 26th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Joba looked lean and mean today.

  25. Abe Peterham February 26th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Go Joba!
    He looks more intimidating physically, mentally hopefully too.

  26. 108 stitches February 26th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    After the 1st wave of cuts in mid-March the regulars and those requiring more looks get more at bats and innings pitched to further stretch their arms.

  27. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    Rich in NJ February 26th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
    Do not trade Joba.
    //

    Hell, if we’re going to be bragging all year about our stellar 6th inning arm, might as well :(.

  28. E . R . California February 26th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    ” Chevy Cruze ”

    According to here ,

    G . M . ‘s Chevy Cruze is not an awful car .

    I would still rather buy the Toyota Corolla and or the Honda Civic though . Wouldn’t you ?

  29. mick February 26th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Joba in the 7th if he’s invincible.

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Joba will pitch like that in the 6th or 7th throughout the year and still be sayin “shucks, I’ll hand out towels if that’s what it takes,” through no doubt a —-eating grin.

  31. m February 26th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    Catch-22 with Joba. He won’t fetch much as a middle reliever. Too good to trade, but not good enough to make a bigger impact with the Yankees.

    I just hope he’s healthy and getting stronger. He can only go forward from here. This is the time when he’s going to grow as a person and a player IMO.

  32. Tarheel In NYC February 26th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    I was on the road during the game, but I listened to John & Suzyn on the radio. They were both very complimentary of Joba’s appearance and were stunned that he had been called “fat” and “overweight”.

    They both thought he looked thinner in the middle and broader in the shoulders, which would make sense since, according to them, Joba had wanted to increase the strength in his shoulders.

    Suzyn made what I thought was a pretty good point—that Joba is barrel-chested, just like his father. Barrel-chestedness can create an illusion of chubbiness.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Abe Peterham February 26th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
    Go Joba!
    He looks more intimidating physically, mentally hopefully too.
    ///
    No I’m certain you are mistaken. Didn’t the GM indicate he was fat? As I hear it,the Yanks always know best :). Maybe Cash can amend to “jolly’. Jolly Joba. Yea, that’s it.

  34. mick February 26th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    # Tarheel In NYC February 26th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    I was on the road during the game, but I listened to John & Suzyn on the radio. They were both very complimentary of Joba’s appearance and were stunned that he had been called “fat” and “overweight”.

    They both thought he looked thinner in the middle and broader in the shoulders, which would make sense since, according to them, Joba had wanted to increase the strength in his shoulders.

    Suzyn made what I thought was a pretty good point—that Joba is barrel-chested, just like his father. Barrel-chestedness can create an illusion of chubbiness.
    # mick February 26th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    Joba lost weight in his face and did look cut and larger in the shoulders.
    He looks ready to go.
    Would love for him to be the 7th inng guy.

  35. mick February 26th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Catch-22 with Joba. He won’t fetch much as a middle reliever. Too good to trade, but not good enough to make a bigger impact with the Yankees.
    ==================================
    If Joba can be consistent as a 7th Inning Guy then he can be fetched as a potential starter.

  36. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    m February 26th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
    Catch-22 with Joba. He won’t fetch much as a middle reliever. Too good to trade, but not good enough to make a bigger impact with the Yankees.

    ///

    Not good enough to make a bigger impact?Is that really the right wording on why he wouldn’t make a bigger impact?

    “I just hope he’s healthy and getting stronger. He can only go forward from here. This is the time when he’s going to grow as a person and a player IMO.”
    ///

    Amen to him bein healthy and gettin stronger. He can only go forward, yea, a guy as good as he is can only go forward when the organization that pays him sets the bar below zero.

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    f Joba can be consistent as a 7th Inning Guy then he can be fetched as a potential starter.

    ////
    yea too bad he IS one.

  38. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Suzyn made what I thought was a pretty good point—that Joba is barrel-chested, just like his father. Barrel-chestedness can create an illusion of chubbiness.

    ///
    could Cashman need glasses?

  39. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Would love for him to be the 7th inng guy.

    ////
    Would love for him to be the 4th starter :D.

  40. mick February 26th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    QUESTION:

    If every potential 4th and 5th starter crashes (Garcia, Nova, Colon) would Joba get a shot?

  41. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    mick February 26th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
    I saw Jesus hit one over that wall in BP last spring.
    ///

    JV has power but I liked his second AB even better cos he fell behind and fought back.He’s been a big power bat but also strikes out a lot. He didn’t get himself out and stayed on the pitch.

  42. m February 26th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    When Joba went from starter to reliever, he was given the set-up role without a competition. He eventually worked his way down the depth chart. He simply was not up to the task, got into the doghouse, and other people took advantage of the situation.

    If you’re saying (and I think you are) that Joba should be a starter, that’s another story. Just take his shoulder, conditioning, and stamina into consideration before yelling at the org.

  43. mick February 26th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    JV could be trade bait…

  44. Tarheel In NYC February 26th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Mick, I sure am rooting for Joba. Lord knows there were plenty of times last season when I was frustrated with him because I felt like he was letting his great talent fritter away…but I’ve never stopped thinking he was a sweet kid with loads of talent.

    J Alfred, I seriously wonder if perhaps some people (including Cashman) were fully expecting Joba to show up overweight and therefore let that color their judgement? I think that the assessments weren’t entirely objective.

  45. mick February 26th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Joba could eventually start again but not likely for us.

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    mick February 26th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
    QUESTION:

    If every potential 4th and 5th starter crashes (Garcia, Nova, Colon) would Joba get a shot?

    ////
    I hope the Yanks are not so arrogant that they wouldn’t reverse course on a decision that still appears misguided or born of stubbornness.I don’t see Nova crashing.Garcia pitched well last year and Colon has been good but always gets hurt at this point.Even if one of those guys is adequate, this is still dumb.

  47. m February 26th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    I think Cash’s phone will be ringing off the hook for Joba if he’s throwing this hard. And it’s not for Joba the Starter, not Joba the reliever.

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    If you’re saying (and I think you are) that Joba should be a starter, that’s another story. Just take his shoulder, conditioning, and stamina into consideration before yelling at the org.

    ////
    Except Joba plainly discredited Cashman’s shoulder theory.

  49. m February 26th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    *For Joba the Starter

  50. Ruby Friday February 26th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Joba is a stud. He will be lights out the rest of ST. Soon he will be back in the rotation leading the ballclub to many, many victories. Too bad it will be in the after life or possibly for another team. lol !

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    “I never said I didn’t judge people. I’ve judged you and you were found wanting.”

    :lol:

    For future reference, try posting factually correct information or you will be found full of crap and your opinions will be judged the same – if they are not already.

    Here’s a hint in case you missed it the other night when you made the statement that the wealthiest owners had the lowest payrolls. YOU’RE FULL OF CRAP.

    Oh yes, this was the quote: ” Which teams are these exactly? Because the teams with the lowest payrolls have the richest owners.”

    :)

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    mick February 26th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
    Joba could eventually start again but not likely for us.
    ////

    Of course. That’s the insanity of it.

  53. m February 26th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    So, blame is ugly mechanics. Whatever it was Cash did not steal Joba’s velocity.

  54. mick February 26th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Whatever the reason for Joba’s demise as a starter, I still picture him as a reliever.
    I think the Yanks plan to trade him eventually once he re-proves himself to be a force in the pen and Joba knows this.
    His path to fame appears to be from the pen at this point, whether it leads to a starting or closer role.

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Joba is a stud. He will be lights out the rest of ST. Soon he will be back in the rotation leading the ballclub to many, many victories. Too bad it will be in the after life or possibly for another team. lol !
    ///
    that’s probably the only time you and I would be laughing at the same time,though you would be laughing with pathetic joy, my laughter would be bitter.Very, very bitter.

  56. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    m February 26th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
    So, blame is ugly mechanics. Whatever it was Cash did not steal Joba’s velocity.
    /////

    But it looks like he may have found what was lost.What, then?

  57. mick February 26th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    But it looks like he may have found what was lost.What, then?
    ——————————-
    Jorge Vazquez and Joba for Liriano.

  58. Ruby Friday February 26th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Joba has a new endorsement deal all lined up and ready to go, he will be the new lead pitchman for Dunkin Donuts.

  59. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    mick February 26th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
    Whatever the reason for Joba’s demise as a starter, I still picture him as a reliever.
    I think the Yanks plan to trade him eventually once he re-proves himself to be a force in the pen and Joba knows this.
    His path to fame appears to be from the pen at this point, whether it leads to a starting or closer role.

    ///
    No, I don’t think so. Other teams don’t have the drama history or worse, some ego identification with Joba not starting. They’re gonna look at that package and reach the obvious conclusion.

  60. m February 26th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    So, you want to make him a starter right now? Not knowing if he can extrapolate the results of 1 inning over 200 innings? Get ‘er done.

  61. mick February 26th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    No, I don’t think so. Other teams don’t have the drama history or worse, some ego identification with Joba not starting. They’re gonna look at that package and reach the obvious conclusion.
    ===================================
    Joba has no future here and he knows it.
    He is dedicating himself now to get traded.

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Tarheel In NYC February 26th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
    Mick, I sure am rooting for Joba. Lord knows there were plenty of times last season when I was frustrated with him because I felt like he was letting his great talent fritter away…but I’ve never stopped thinking he was a sweet kid with loads of talent.

    J Alfred, I seriously wonder if perhaps some people (including Cashman) were fully expecting Joba to show up overweight and therefore let that color their judgement? I think that the assessments weren’t entirely objective.
    ///

    Could be, TH. They do seem to have pre-determined and pre-judged, and that’s neither fair nor smart. That’s why it sits so uneasy in my stomach and others as well. It just doesn’t add up.

  63. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    It’s absolutely hysterical that fans are still talking about Joba as a starter. Amazing.

  64. m February 26th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Besides the original conversation was why he’s a reliever. And that was based on what happened over the last two years.

  65. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    m February 26th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
    So, you want to make him a starter right now? Not knowing if he can extrapolate the results of 1 inning over 200 innings? Get ‘er done.

    ////
    There’s actually more historical evidence that he can than can’t. I have something more than today’s little inning to go on. Sure, if I was callin it, he would have been told to prepare to start this year.

  66. Yanksgal07 February 26th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Geez …what was all the nonsense about how much weight Joba gained?? He didn’t look any bigger than last year. In fact …I think
    he looked better. His hair is longer …maybe that’s the weight gain.. ;). He looked good on the mound today. Alex had a nice swing and the sound off the bat was real pretty too. Little Jorge (or should I say BIG) hit some shot. Can’t wait to see some of Montero tomorrow. All in all Yankee baseball is back and I couldn’t be happier. Counting down the days till the real Opener.

    Go Yankees 2011 !!!

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
    It’s absolutely hysterical that fans are still talking about Joba as a starter. Amazing.
    ///

    Hahaha! Mad funny, in’t it?

  68. Ruby Friday February 26th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Joba has gotten so much praise today that now he is going out for half a dozen fully loaded hot dogs and a twelve pak of Pabst Blue Ribbon. Then he will be back to normal.

  69. mick February 26th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Cash is smart in that he knows Joba has more trade value and more immediate team value as a reliever.

  70. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    Yanksgal07 February 26th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
    Geez …what was all the nonsense about how much weight Joba gained?? He didn’t look any bigger than last year. In fact …I think
    he looked better.

    ///
    Just another chapter in the Joba Legend: irrevocably lost velocity from irrevocably ruined shoulder, no stamina for starting, no pitching brains, out of shape, fat as a house. Authored by the NY Yankees. Strange.

  71. Ruby Friday February 26th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    News flash from ESPN NY:

    Joba is now starting the season opener. CC is now the 3rd SP. Size has the priority.

  72. pat February 26th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    NYDNHarper Joba’s lost 10 pounds since camp started, has made change in set position he thinks is big. That and sharp 1st outing today all good signs.

  73. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    What is absolutely hysterical about it? That someone sees it differently from you? That there are posters who may feel that Joba didn’t get a fair shake and could possibly still have starter stuff?

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    mick February 26th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
    Cash is smart in that he knows Joba has more trade value and more immediate team value as a reliever.
    ////

    Yea, really clever of the GM to build up his value by telling the universe he has a bum shoulder. Cashman, like you said, is smart.

  75. mick February 26th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Just another chapter in the Joba Legend: irrevocably lost velocity from irrevocably ruined shoulder, no stamina for starting, no pitching brains, out of shape, fat as a house. Authored by the NY Yankees. Strange.
    ===============
    The Reinvention of Joba.

  76. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Wow you guys are tough. The kid plays for the Yankees in case you’ve forgotten.

  77. E . R . California February 26th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Who generates the most internet traffic ?

    ( a ) Moammar Gaddafi

    ( b ) Charlie Sheen

    ( c ) Joba Chamberlain

    ( d ) Hosni Mubarak

    ( e ) The English word ” The “

  78. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Joba looked great out there today. A real Yankee fan would be celebrating that and not trashing the kid.

    Oh yeah, I forgot.

  79. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    You know, people like me can’t understand the Yanks’ position, and the disbelief and anger flares up here and there, and then it goes underground for a while because there are other issues and situations regarding the Yankees. But then people like me see Joba Chamberlain pitch, and we start to well, shake and feel sick in the pit of our stomachs.

  80. mick February 26th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Who cares what Cash tells the media.
    He is playing them.
    It’s up to Joba to do what Joba do.
    He wants the big money eventually.

  81. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    pat is it me, or have I come into a mini Joba hate fest?

  82. m February 26th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Lost 10 lbs? Boy, the riot act worked. ;)

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    mick February 26th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
    Just another chapter in the Joba Legend: irrevocably lost velocity from irrevocably ruined shoulder, no stamina for starting, no pitching brains, out of shape, fat as a house. Authored by the NY Yankees. Strange.
    ===============
    The Reinvention of Joba.
    ////

    It’s a wonder he can be trusted in a ST game.

  84. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
    pat is it me, or have I come into a mini Joba hate fest?

    ////
    who hates Joba?? Other than that Ruby person?? I’m in the Joba Been Wronged camp!

  85. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    J. Al, I’ve just done some quick reading and it has the feel of Joba trashing.

    Why would anyone laugh at people who think Joba could eventually be a starter? I don’t get it.

  86. mick February 26th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    I would sign up for Joba the Stellar 7IG right now, forget Joba the Starter, get on with life.

  87. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    Can’t wait to see some of Montero tomorrow

    ///

    yea, Betances throwing to Montero makes it feel like tomorrow’s Christmas :)

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
    J. Al, I’ve just done some quick reading and it has the feel of Joba trashing.

    Why would anyone laugh at people who think Joba could eventually be a starter? I don’t get it.
    ///

    trisha – I don’t think that person understands much about pitching.

  89. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    “I would sign up for Joba the Stellar 7IG right now, forget Joba the Starter, get on with life.”

    Did someone sign you up as the final word here?

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    m February 26th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
    Lost 10 lbs? Boy, the riot act worked.
    ////

    You mean the part where Joba said to himself ‘Yanks think they’re gonna bury me in the sixth inning for the rest of my career? Man, that Cashman is a riot!”

  91. pat February 26th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    m

    No riot act needed.

    As some of us said all along; If and when the Yankees thought Joba needed to lose weight, they would pull him aside and let it be known.

    Sounds like either they did or Joba got after it before they did.

  92. mick February 26th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    # Jerkface February 26th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    I never said I didn’t judge people. I’ve judged you and you were found wanting. The issue here is that you lie to yourself and lack self-awareness, saying things like that and actually believing them.
    # Jerkface February 26th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    its already obvious to everyone else when you are belittling, condescending, ignorant, or otherwise flip to anyone who is opposed to you or your point of view.

  93. Gary February 26th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Nice that they are back playing ball. It was a long winter.

  94. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    J Al, I think I will have this talk with you and perhaps just you, because I too am in the Joba has been wronged camp. I believe that this kid, who was definitely being touted as a future starter, didn’t have enough time in the minors and wasn’t really give good guidance, may have gotten inferior training from Dave Eiland, and certainly wasn’t given the same attention, IMO, as other Yankee pitchers, namely Phil Hughes (whom I love dearly, so this isn’t a Hughes grudge, just my opinion on what I saw as disparate treatment.) Eiland was Hughes’ confidant and support during the offseason before the 2010 season. He kept in touch with him throughout the winter and gave him tips on what was expected of him if he wanted to land the 5th starter position. Well if he was doing that for Hughes, he certainly wasn’t doing it for Hughes’s competition. I just have to wonder if Joba was a forgotten entity during that time. I do question a lot of that stuff.

    He’s a hell of a good kid, came up with fantastic stuff that I have to believe is still there, and while I don’t know if he can be a starter, I certainly don’t say unequivocally that he is in one place or the other. I think he is still going to be really valuable for the Yanks, and not as trade bait.

    JMO

  95. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    mick – stop quoting other people and get on with life.

  96. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    mick, other than that –

    YAWN!

  97. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    j al – that wasn’t supposed to be italicized.

  98. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Sounds like either they did or Joba got after it before they did.

    ///

    I’d bet the latter. Joba wasn’t born with that arm to toil in mediocrity and he’s smart enough to realize it. Maybe they lit a fire under him with their low expectations.

    ///
    The lower hands made him look much more cohesive.In fact, that was reminiscent if his older arm action with that snap to it.One positive thing the yanks did seems to be hiring Rotschild.

  99. Nick in SF February 26th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    “…but not good enough to make a bigger impact with the Yankees.”

    This is the final verdict on Joba? :(

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    mick, I can’t imagine any Yankee fan so lacking in a life that there are so personally affected by Yankee wins and losses. You might want to get that checked. I see a real problem there.

  101. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

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  102. Ruby Friday February 26th, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    Could Joba, Colon and CC top out over a half a ton?

  103. Gary February 26th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    Trisha, respectfully I don’t think Joba has been wronged, certaintly there were high expectations but he on his own has done quite a bit to dimish those. I don’t think right now many people think he is creditable (his era of denial sure went along way to hurt that). I don’t think he can be a starter anymore, but it’s up to him to prove the people wrong. He may just endup as one of those guys, so much promise, but he never got there. If he doesn’t produce this year he will be history, it’s really up to him and at this point excuses aren’t going to cut it.

  104. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
    J Al, I think I will have this talk with you and perhaps just you, because I too am in the Joba has been wronged camp. I believe that this kid, who was definitely being touted as a future starter, didn’t have enough time in the minors and wasn’t really give good guidance, may have gotten inferior training from Dave Eiland, and certainly wasn’t given the same attention, IMO, as other Yankee pitchers, namely Phil Hughes (whom I love dearly, so this isn’t a Hughes grudge, just my opinion on what I saw as disparate treatment.) Eiland was Hughes’ confidant and support during the offseason before the 2010 season. He kept in touch with him throughout the winter and gave him tips on what was expected of him if he wanted to land the 5th starter position. Well if he was doing that for Hughes, he certainly wasn’t doing it for Hughes’s competition. I just have to wonder if Joba was a forgotten entity during that time. I do question a lot of that stuff.

    He’s a hell of a good kid, came up with fantastic stuff that I have to believe is still there, and while I don’t know if he can be a starter, I certainly don’t say unequivocally that he is in one place or the other. I think he is still going to be really valuable for the Yanks, and not as trade bait.

    JMO

    ///
    I wasn’t aware Eiland ignored Joba. Is there a story on this? I had issues with statements Eiland made regarding Chamberlain, especially he’ll “never” start again. Just damned ridiculous. I hope you’re right on Joba being valuable,but I don’t see how much value he can be as a MR. I keep hoping there’s some covert plan to build him up again but that now seems very unlikely. It’s just such a waste. Good post!

  105. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    I don’t think he can be a starter anymore,

    ///
    He’s 25 years old. SMH

  106. mick February 26th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    If he doesn’t produce this year he will be history, it’s really up to him and at this point excuses aren’t going to cut it.
    ===================================
    Joba knows his way out of NY and greater fame is by having a big season.
    Cash is not auditioning him for another starting job here and has made that perfectly clear.
    His way out and back to a starting or closer role is to succeed here now.
    Then he can trade him for Liriano.

  107. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    Gary I can respect what you just said because you are at least leaving open the possibility that Joba could prove people wrong, and yes it’s up to him and I think that with Rotschild guiding him, he is going to go back to the Joba that we were so excited about. I do tend to look at nonbaseball factors and it is possible that I give those things too much play – though I can’t be sure either way. But I agree with you that this is his chance to get things right. I have high hopes for that happening.

  108. Ruby Friday February 26th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    ‘Lost 10 lbs? Boy, the riot act worked’.

    ———-

    Is he on a ‘see-food’ diet?

  109. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    What is absolutely hysterical about it? That someone sees it differently from you? That there are posters who may feel that Joba didn’t get a fair shake and could possibly still have starter stuff?

    ***************

    No. It’s hysterical because this has been decided for a year now. There is no intent to have Joba start. Cashman and Girardi have said that over and over and over again. Joba knows it, the team knows it, every single member of the media seems to know it and most fans who pay attention know it. It’s been decided with certitude and finality by those who make those decisions.

    You might as well discuss A-Rod playing right-field. It’s not going to happen.

  110. Gary February 26th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    J.Alfred I did say that. To me it’s got nothing to do with his age.

  111. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    By the way, I never heard Cashman say that Joba was in the pen for good. I heard him say that he is there for now. Perhaps I missed something – although someone pointed out earlier that Cashman has said things that haven’t tracked with Girardi’s thinking, always in good faith I do believe.

  112. Ruby Friday February 26th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    Is there a team in Nebraska for Joba? Close to home ya know.

  113. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    “There is no intent to have Joba start. Cashman and Girardi have said that over and over and over again.”

    Links please to Girardi and Cashman saying over and over and over again that there is no intent to have Joba start ever.

    Thank you. Otherwise, I don’t believe it.

  114. Gary February 26th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Ruby

    KC, out there they all blend together.

  115. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    There is absolutely no story on Eiland dissing Joba that is out there. I just wondered myself if there was possibly anything to that.

  116. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    And by the way, I don’t see Joba out of pinstripes. I said that when there was at least a little bit of a groundswell in the offseason that the Yankees were going to trade Joba. I’ve been right so far. We’ll see if I am right on that too.

  117. BJ in the Bronx February 26th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Maybe Chamberlain does deserve another shot, the only questions would be when and for whom ?

  118. mick February 26th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Cashman’s only hope to trade Joba is for him to regain his stature IN THE PEN.
    It is the most expedient way.
    If he can get a Liriano for him, I’m sure the Twins will give him a shot at starting.

  119. Gary February 26th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Boston players fishing in my backyard. At least Leister isn’t living next door this year. I have the Dice K support staff.

  120. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    “Cashman said the Yankees view him solely as a reliever. “I don’t think his stuff is the same since he hurt himself in Texas [August 4th 2008] … The stuff plays up better in the pen.” Cashman continued, “His stuff doesn’t play out of the rotation anymore like it did before prior to his shoulder.”

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....a-starter/

  121. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    “Cashman’s only hope to trade Joba is for him to regain his stature IN THE PEN.”

    You’re assuming Cashman wants to trade Joba.

    I’m assuming your assumption is incorrect.

  122. Ruby Friday February 26th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Everyone here thinks all Yankees are forever and almighty. Not so, just look at those 2011 Red Sox.

  123. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Trisha Cashman and Girardi have said Joba is a starter many times. I am sure you are as able to use Google as I am. Feel free. If you don’t believe they said that don’t.

  124. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    correction – said Joba is a relief pitcher

  125. pat February 26th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Knicks at Heat tomorrow night at 8pm.

    Perhaps a team “roadtrip” would be a good ST activity?

  126. mick February 26th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Cash will do what is best for the team.
    A 7IG is expendable, esp for a top flight starter.

  127. Gary February 26th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Ruby Friday February 26th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
    Everyone here thinks all Yankees are forever and almighty. Not so, just look at those 2011 Red Sox.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    Better yet look at the 2010 Cowboys, Jerry Jones is on new BP medicine, talk about all dressed up and nowhere to go as they miss the playoffs.

  128. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Sorry, WC, but I don’t see that the same thing as saying Joba will never be given the opportunity to start again. I see it as Cashman saying that that is where Joba is right now. I could just about guarantee you that if Rothschild worked with Joba to the extent that Joba suddenly showed the same promise he did earlier, Cashman would roll hoops to let him start. There would be no percentage in his doing otherwise.

    Now show me where Girardi has said over and over and over again that Joba will never start again.

  129. m February 26th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    pat,

    That’s what I was referring to. I had read that the Yankees pulled him aside and had a talk with him.

    I think there’s a distinction that needs to be made. You can argue that the Yankees ruined Jona as a starter. But they did not ruin him as a pitcher. That’s what gets me going is when people put it all on the Yankees.

  130. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    “Cash will do what is best for the team.”

    And if Rothschild continues to get Joba turned around and Joba is out there throwing gas again, what will be best for the team is for Joba to remain in pinstripes.

  131. Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    I was looking forward to that game until last night’s disaster in Cleveland, lol. Melo isn’t even healthy………….but that would be a nice outing as I’m sure there aren’t enough NY fans in Miami.

    Good for Joba that he lost 10 lbs – that’s a lot in a short amt of time; what did he do, not eat? Now if those other overweight players Cash referred to could lose it…….

    He’s a reliever, period – as long as he’s with the Yankees.

  132. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    NEW YORK — There you have it. You can put that to rest now. Joba Chamberlain will not be returning as a starting pitcher for the Yankees, even though the club has serious questions after the first two spots in its rotation.

    “No, Joba’s in the ‘pen,” general manager Brian Cashman assured Thursday.

  133. Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    M, I don’t even think you can say (well I won’t) that the Yankees ruined Joba as a starter….

  134. mick February 26th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Yanks are tiring of Joba’s inconsistencies.
    The good Joba, the bad Joba, it’s just a matter of time.
    If Joba is lights out in April, look for him to be a Twin in May.
    Hello Liriano!!!

  135. West Coast Yankee Fan February 26th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Trisha what is this Rothschild worship? Really. They have played one game in spring training; he has barely has a week and a half to work with the staff. What’s different so far. Eiland was well respected and now everyone wants to blame him for things.

  136. mick February 26th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Maybe Rothchild took Joba’s spoon and fork away?

  137. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Gary February 26th, 2011 at 7:43 pm
    J.Alfred I did say that. To me it’s got nothing to do with his age.

    ////
    To me it does, he’s nowhere near his prime years, and as Trish pointed out he has just a silly low number of MiL innings (under 84). He also was not merely good in ’08, he was a lights out starter before that Texas game.He also had a stretch after the ASB in ’09 where he mowed down the Rays, the Blue Jays and the Tigers IIRC. The Yankees went to that dumb manage-his-innings plan and when he flunked that they basically gave up after that, trading for Javy to replace him. IMO, the yanks didn’t even break a sweat developing him. If anyone failed anyone, so far they’ve failed him. I think he will prove people wrong if he goes elsewhere or if the yanks have a change of heart (that’s my hope).

  138. Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    I don’t blame Eiland, but neither do I think Eiland got the best out of his younger pitchers. I certainly disagree with Trish that Phil has been the Yankees’ golden haired boy. If he is, perhaps it’s because Joba has been difficult to work with and Phil is not.

  139. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    mel, I don’t think the t Yankees ruined Joba as a pitcher because I don’t believe he’s ruined as a pitcher. I think they did some things that they considered to be the best things to do for the team when they did it, meaning they definitely did it in good faith, and those things may have backfired on Joba. I don’t think the Yankee organization ever did anything knowingly to hurt the kid. I think Eiland may have been the wrong guy for Joba. Joba certainly may have played into his own (temporary) demise, though hurting his shoulder didn’t help things. I think he has his shot right now to show what he has. I truly believe Rothschild will be a God send for the Yankee pitchers. I believe he is going to straighten out AJ also.

    Remember the Braves pitching coach and how much affect he had on that starting rotation? We just may have something like that in Rothschild. It was only an inning, but Joba’s stuff sure looked good.

    I’m hopeful.

  140. Nick in SF February 26th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Joba won’t be able to escape your hatred here :arrow:

  141. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    mick February 26th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
    Maybe Rothchild took Joba’s spoon and fork away?

    ////
    or maybe he watched video of earlier Joba and tried to give him back some of what made him great in 08 to begin with. It’s early, but this Rothschild looks like he’s gonna be a plus for our boys.

  142. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    why change the subject with the same subject?

  143. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    “If he is, perhaps it’s because Joba has been difficult to work with and Phil is not.”

    Betsy, I don’t think there’s a question of that. Phil is mature beyond his years and Joba is a big kid. But maybe that’s where a Rothschild is invaluable, because he has already said that his philosophy is that every pitcher is an individual and he cares about them off the field as much as on. That is exactly what someone like Joba needs, IMO. Phil, on the other hand, is ready made and has to be a pitching coach’s dream.

  144. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    i hope you are right about rothchild, i have high hopes for him, they say he has changed aj’s delivery, joba supposedly came up with the lower hand delivery on his own but then again he is in his own world, i wish the best for joba in any case…

  145. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    “why change the subject with the same subject?”

    :)

  146. J. Alfred Prufrock February 26th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
    There is absolutely no story on Eiland dissing Joba that is out there. I just wondered myself if there was possibly anything to that.
    ////

    OK thanks. It might be an interesting question for Chamberlain, although given his penchant for saying nothing, he’d probably say nothing :), and that would be smart. You never know where your cleats are going to take you in this game.

  147. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 26th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    mick – I know I have deified him already, but I absoutely love what I hear about Rothschild.

  148. mick February 26th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    phil is a power pitcher, by his own admission…anyone can see that when he freezes hitters with late life, the curve and his nonexistent changeup are figments of the imagination…many pitchers have had success leading with the fastball.

  149. Betsy February 26th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Trish, Phil isn’t ready made, though – he’s got a lot to work on.. He needs Rothschild every bit as much as Joba does.

  150. Chambliss February 26th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    I find it interesting that everyone is talking about joba and not colon who I thought looked really good. If colon can throw in the low 90′s and mix his pitches, he could be a valuable addition to the team.

  151. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    :mad:

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