Just reading the Torre comments from last night and cannot help but have to add in.
You have to be a total moron of a manager to burn out arms the way that jackass did. It’s no wonder that the Yankees were one and out so many times in his flippin’ tenure. He totally lucked out with the starting pitching he had in the years they won the world series. When his starting pitching was more tenuous, so were the results. His bullpen managing was horrendous and almost criminal, the way he killed arms out there! He ruined many relief pitcher careers. And he unceremoniously would move the dead arms to the end of the bench and ignore them when they were of no more use to him. He played favorites with his players, pitchers and position players, and he was vindictive. I will still count his vendictiveness toward Jeff Nelson as being the move that started the dominos rolling because once Nellie was off the team, they were totally unable to find a suitable replacement for him and that magic of Stanton and Nelson to Mo disappeared.
It was only when Girardi became manager that the Yankees were able to begin righting the ship.
We are all entitled to our opinions and my opinion is that he turned out to have more downside than upside. His tell-all book was the final nail for me. I do not have warm and fuzzy feelings when I think of him.
By the way, when all the hubub about whether or not he would return as manager was going on, I actually wanted him back – until he decided to play king and held a press conference at his house and decried the fact that he might have to get the job done to earn his money. I guess all of the other stuff came together for me as some kind of retrospective after he left. It’s one of those things were you note little red flags going up but you’re still immersed enough not to see that there are nothing but red flags everywhere!
Craw – you might be able to have warm and fuzzy feelings about a guy who got the best gig in town when nobody else would hire him because he was a loser as a manager, and then kicked the same organization in the face with a nasty, mean-spirited, grudge book – the greatest irony being that he got rid of players who refused to keep dirty laundry inhouse. That’s your right. I don’t play both sides of the street. I can get past the crappy job he did with the bullpen but I can’t get past the way he sold out the team and organization that made him who he was, with that rotten rotten book.
And now that he is going to be in with Selig? I dread what could happen to the Yankee organization behind the scenes.
Torre did run relievers into the ground espcially towards the end but to be fair he didn’t have a lot to work with out there and was expected to win every day…..it led to him only trusting certain guys and just using them whenever he could. Girardi has a different mindset…..he will take a chance only losing one game if it means keeping everyone fresh. Its just a different style and one that’s easier to manage now.because he has more quality arms to choose from..
blake, I disagree. He only had a certain number of arms to use because he only chose to use a certain number of arms! He let Paul Quantrill grow roots out there because he wasn’t one of the chosen and then when Quantrill complained about it, he put him in a game after not using him in forever and when Quantrill didn’t come through – because we all know what happens to relief pitchers who haven’t been used for 7 or 8 days the first time they come back in – he was pretty permanently jettisoned. It was his playing favorites that killed the rest of the pen and the team. He used Brian Bruney until Bruney couldn’t lift his arm anymore, and then he forget he was alive. He did the same thing to Randy Choate, Tanyon Sturtze, Scott Proctor, the list is endless. No wonder he didn’t have anyone to use! He killed them off one at a time.
anyone here thinks Manny will have a very good yr hitting wise in tampa? it looks like his bat has slowed some, but i still think he is excellent hitter who capable hitting good pitches and spreading it around on the field. The power might not be there anymore.
And if he hadn’t run Jeff Nelson out of town and insisted that Ramiro Mendoza turn into a starter when Mendoza did not want to start, he would have had the winning combination that finished off every team it faced. Mendoza to Stanton/Nelson to Mo. Instead he ruined Mendoza and then couldn’t ever find a suitable replacement for him. And he got rid of Nellie and couldn’t ever find a suitable replacement for him. And let Joba stand there and get midged to death while he sipped on his green tea.
“craw, well you’re a better man than I am, and I admit it. The smartest amongst us, I would say, don’t get so personally involved in the game.”
When you start getting to retirement age, you can’t afford to place too much importance on a kids game played by men. Don’t get me wrong, I love Yankee baseball passionately, but in the end, it doesn’t define me as it’s only entertainment.
Some of the most vocal “there was nothing wrong with writing the book” people here are many of the same people who didn’t like Cashman, the Steinbrenner’s or other Yankee Execs speaking publicly about Derek during negotiations and since then.