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Nova impresses (and other postgame notes)

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Feb 27, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This early in spring everybody is working on something different, so it’s often best to ask wide-open questions about a pitcher’s performance and see what they were trying to accomplish. To that end, one of the first questions to Ivan Nova this afternoon was what pleased him most about his performance and Nova smiled.

“Right now,” he said, “I’m happy with everything.”

Fair enough. Nova looked excellent in his first start of the spring, retiring all six hitters he faced on four groundballs and two strikeouts. Joe Girardi was particularly pleased with how Nova kept the Phillies hitters on the ground. “That’s what we want from him,” he said. “He’s young and he’s growing into a major-league pitcher.”

My feeling is that the best-case scenario for the Yankees is to see Freddy Garcia and Nova win the two starter spots, but it’s also clear that no one is going to be handed anything. The Yankees have been down that road before and Nova knows he’ll have to earn his place. This was, obviously, a strong beginning.

“I’m just paying attention to what I’m doing,” Nova said. “I don’t worry about (the other pitchers). I worry about myself.”

• Update on Andrew Brackman: He played catch today, reported no issues. Will play catch again tomorrow then take a day off. Earliest he’ll be back on a mound, then, is Wednesday. Ronnie Belliard will be out a week or so with his calf injury, according to Bryan Hoch. That certainly won’t help his chances at winning a spot.

• Sergio Mitre did well after Nova (he actually got the win in the 7-3 victory) and he’ll probably pitch once more in relief (likely Wednesday) before getting a start to call his own. Of course, Mitre said he doesn’t care when he pitches as long as he pitches well and is happy to be competing for a job for a second straight year. “Its pretty much the same amount of guys that were competing for one spot last year,” he said, “so just lick your chops, hopefully get the job and make the decision a little more difficult for them.”

• I’ll have more on Dellin Betances and Jesus Montero later but – no surprise – Girardi was pleased with Betances’ three-strikeout inning. He also said Montero looks significantly more comfortable behind the plate than he did a year ago.

• Um … Jorge Vazquez? Two games, two home runs for the non-roster infielder. “If he hits a home run every day, I’m sure he’ll get the Grapefruit (League) MVP,” Girardi said. Beyond that, no guarantees though. I still bet Eric Chavez breaks camp with the Yankees as a bench infielder.

• Nice day for Brett Gardner, who had a double, two walks and scored twice. Curtis Granderson hit his first home run of the spring and Jorge Posada had a RBI double. Not as nice day for Adam Warren, who gave up a hit, a run and two walks in 1 1/3 innings of relief.

* That’s an AP shot of Granderson and Posada from today.

 
 

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254 Responses to “Nova impresses (and other postgame notes)”

  1. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    Belliard is out for at least a week. Not going to help his hunt for a job.

  2. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    It’s really too bad that Vazquez’ defensive work at 1st and 3rd isn’y better. He’d be a darkhorse for the bench.

  3. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Injury probably puts Belliard out for any backup role, unable to get looks early in spring. I wasn’t a fan of him making the team, so can’t say I’m too sad about that.

  4. E . R . California February 27th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Of course , Nova — like all young Yankee pitchers — first need to prove that he can go five inning with less than one hundred twenty eight pitches .

  5. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    “Post-facto, before Lee spurned the yankees all you were posting was: Cliffy, come to mama.”

    Once again, lies of convenience on the part of a real jerk. You’re not worth my spit pal. Pathetic little twit.

    ************

    I was on record when the Yankees were going after him in the middle of the season that I did not want him. I was on record again when the Yankees started going after him in the off season that I him at the price it was going to take. In the middle I was fine with him coming since it would have shored up the reputation. But that was before actual price was discussed.

    ***********

    Be warned. Jerkface throws out things that are not based in fact. If you don’t call him on everything he says, he will continually make up crap. He’s an unhappy, disgruntled little nothing who plays rough and tough with females and trolls but is afraid of his own shadow when it comes to male players here. I’d like to see him tell GB he’s arrogant. He’d be wearing his lip!

    :)

    Ask him sometime about the team payrolls of the wealthiest owners. He’ll try to sell you that the teams with the richest owners have the smallest payrolls.

    :roll:

    Keep the wah wah wambulance close at hand when he’s around.

  6. Joe from Long Island February 27th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    GB7 – I can’t recall who reported it – Singleton, Kay, or Curry – but during the game it was reported that Belliard showed up to camp not in the best physical shape. This calf injury goes along with that. Can’t imagine it makes Girardi too happy, though it affects Belliard a whole lot more than the Yankees. He’s in camp on a minor league contract, I think, and puts him well behind the other IFs for the backup job. This doesn’t help him with Yanks, as well as any other club looking for help.

  7. Sam Borden February 27th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    Absolutely, GB. Edited to reflect.

  8. Tom in N.J. February 27th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Trish, why re-post that in the new thread?

  9. Fran the original February 27th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Joe,

    Kay said something on his radio show about Colon not showing up in the best shape. You would think that guys who are trying hard to make the team would show up in good physical condition to give them the best chance possible.

  10. ac1 February 27th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    i am comfortable guessing that the bench will be Andruw Jones, Eric Chavez (if healthy), Eduardo Nunez, and the back up catcher, which i am hoping will be Montero, but guessing will be Cervelli.

  11. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    to make totally sure that the jerk saw it. that’s why.

  12. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    plus when I posted I didn’t see a new thread was up. people do that all the time tom. if he has a brain, he will totally stay out of my face.

  13. Mell February 27th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    “Kay said something on his radio show about Colon not showing up in the best shape”

    Colon never has been and never will be an “in shape” looking guy. He spent the winter pitching in one of the winter leagues (Venezuela?) and came to camp ready to throw despite looking like a walking condominium. Yankees knew what they were signing up for with him and the risk is minimal.

  14. Giuseppe Franco February 27th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    I’m all for getting informed about Yankee happenings but Kim Jones is brutal as any kind of host.

    I would downplay her performance to simply being spring training for everybody, but she always sounds like she doesn’t know what she’s doing.

    Now I need to duck because Pete Abe just threw a rotten tomato at me for dissing KJ.

  15. 108 stitches February 27th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    A confidence builder for Nova and Girardi will know more once he’s full stretched out in late March as to how far he can go in games.
    Hitters will soon be caught up with the pitchers. This will slow down and probably end any chance of Belliard carried as a utility infielder.
    Good to read about no issues with Andrew Brackman.

  16. Joe from Long Island February 27th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Fran – who knows how some guys think.

    ac 1 – yeah, I think you’re right. I think they want Chavez to take it, but, if he doesn’t hit, then I can see Nunez plus Pena making the team; Laird is an outside shot. I think Montero would have to have an exceptionally good spring, and/or Cervelli really playing poorly for Montero to get the nod.

    I think we can probably guess the opening roster with 85-90% certainty. Nova and Garcia; Mitre as the long man (given his experience out of the pen). Everything else is pretty much set.

    Could someone else force their way in? Absolutely. ST is a time of hope.

    Ned Colletti on MLBNetwork, as they show the Angels-Dodgers game. They were about to talk about what happened with Martin in LA, when they cut away to a commercial. Still waiting for them to pick it up, but maybe Colletti doesn’t want to go there.

  17. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Trisha, please eat it, sincerely, Jerkface

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 9th, 2010 at 8:13 am
    A day late, a dollar short, and a drive-by.

    As always, Doreen provided the (in my opinion) proper perspective.

    “The Red Sox offense really did fine last year – it was their pitching/bullpen that didn’t do so well.”

    Am I thrilled Crawford went to the Sux? Hardly. I am never happy for them when they get anything worthwhile, so why would I start now?

    Is he the dealbreaker? Hardly. If you’re thinking it’s your offense that gets your there and keeps you there, I guess you are doomed to repeat the lessons of history.

    Cliff Lee, come to mama. Lackey, Papelbon, Beckett et al. Keep up the good work…

    Be well all.

    Trisha

    I get into it with everyone here. Including GB7, Randy, et al.

  18. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Thanks, Sam. I was just poking around and found that about Belliard. If they can get him healthy and somebody’s 2nd baseman goes down, maybe include him in a trade. Thanks for your work and updates, today Sam. busy day.

  19. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    I of course have no need to also re-post all your postings about how Cliff Lee, CC, and Andy will defeat the evil red sox.

  20. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    How sad – RIP Duke Snider. My father will be saddened to hear that as he was a Dodgers fan growing up.

    I hate the tv schedule as I’d love to see Phil, CC and AJ – but I remember one year that Phil was never on tv, so what can you do?

    As to Knicks/Heat, this is really being blown out of proportion. I certainly hope the rivalry can be rekindled, but until the Knicks become consistent winners, there is no rivalry at this point. This team has had all of 2 games to gell together before tonight – and Melo isn’t even healthy.

  21. m February 27th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Of course , Daisuke — like all young MLB pitchers — first need to prove that he can go one inning with less than one hundred twenty eight pitches .

    ——–/fixed that for ya’d/——–

  22. tampayank February 27th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    “# Giuseppe Franco February 27th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    I’m all for getting informed about Yankee happenings but Kim Jones is brutal as any kind of host.

    I would downplay her performance to simply being spring training for everybody, but she always sounds like she doesn’t know what she’s doing.

    Now I need to duck because Pete Abe just threw a rotten tomato at me for dissing KJ.

    YES in general is pretty bad w/ their announcers, I can’t stand Kay’s voice…I hate the Red Sox and NESN but their crew blows ours away

  23. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Cliff Lee signing and Andy coming back were of course part of Trishas, ‘More right than wrong’ prediction rate. Which ignores all the times she is wrong.

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    BFD freak. The more intelligent here already heard me say that until price was discussed I didn’t come out against it. Now why don’t you go and play yarnball with your cat. You must have a cat, you look like the type of “man” that would.

  25. Joe from Long Island February 27th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Dilemma – what to watch tonight. Knicks-Heat, or the Oscars?

  26. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Joe from Long Island February 27th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
    GB7 – I can’t recall who reported it – Singleton, Kay, or Curry – but during the game it was reported that Belliard showed up to camp not in the best physical shape. This calf injury goes along with that. Can’t imagine it makes Girardi too happy, though it affects Belliard a whole lot more than the Yankees. He’s in camp on a minor league contract, I think, and puts him well behind the other IFs for the backup job. This doesn’t help him with Yanks, as well as any other club looking for help.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Joe, I heard that, too. I think it was Singleton. Hard to imagine that somebody begging for a job wouldn’t have come in looking like a Robby Cano clone. He was a good player, but, after last year, he has very little to use his career numbers on when factoring in the age.

  27. austinmac February 27th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    I thought Warren’s stuff looked pretty good. He was hitting 93 with movement and struck out Howard on a great change. He needed more command , but I see ability.
    Betances is simply scary. His fastball seems to jump at the hitters.

  28. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    “I get into it with everyone here. Including GB7, Randy, et al.”

    Now you’re talking. Only you know better than to call them names.

    Now beat it. You bore me.

  29. Giuseppe Franco February 27th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    # tampayank February 27th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    YES in general is pretty bad w/ their announcers, I can’t stand Kay’s voice…I hate the Red Sox and NESN but their crew blows ours away

    ———–

    Definitely no fan of Kay and Flaherty is too bland. I don’t have any issues with anyone else in the booth.

  30. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    “Cliff Lee signing and Andy coming back were of course part of Trishas, ‘More right than wrong’ prediction rate. Which ignores all the times she is wrong.”

    WAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Yarnball has spoken.

  31. Fran the original February 27th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Mel, glad the Lakers won.

    Joe, switch back and forth during commercials :)

  32. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Giuseppe Franco February 27th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    I’m all for getting informed about Yankee happenings but Kim Jones is brutal as any kind of host.

    I would downplay her performance to simply being spring training for everybody, but she always sounds like she doesn’t know what she’s doing.

    Now I need to duck because Pete Abe just threw a rotten tomato at me for dissing KJ.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    As long as you don’t mention “Trigger” and the back end of a ’59 buick, you’re safe.

  33. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    BFD freak. The more intelligent here already heard me say that until price was discussed I didn’t come out against it.

    BFD? Just showing that you were in no way in the ‘minority’. You like to pretend that you were always on the right side of prior arguments, bringing it up smugly months later to try and get cred. Didn’t come out against it because prices weren’t discussed? No one is buying that. You were posting up a storm about CC, Lee, Andy, and Hughes leading the charge.

    And how could you EVER come out against a Yankee move? I thought you trust them to know how to win?

  34. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Fran the original February 27th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
    J Alfred and Yankeefeminista,

    Now I have to go look for pictures of them together
    ______
    If you can’t find one, and Brackman is still in Trenton, I’ll take a picture of him and Banuelos and post it for you. lol.

    Prufrock, lol, about libertyboy and Banuelos. Now, don’t encourage him! ;)

  35. tyanksfan36 February 27th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    I don’t think there’s much worse out there than the Sunsports announcers, the ones that do the Rays games on TV. Just awful.

  36. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    Now you’re talking. Only you know better than to call them names.

    Now beat it. You bore me.

    Yup, so boring that you are posting furiously with your insults and condescension. And I have called Randy and GB7 plenty of names, you may have missed them while making out with CR9 over email.

  37. Cashmoney February 27th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Just got back, unfortunately missed today’s game, it reads though as Betance and Nova stood out on the pitching side. Nice to see Vazquez homering again, I think his calling card is power and driving in runs.. if Chavez doesn’t make the cut, Jorge certainly made an interesting candidate. I remember reading Jorge is capable of playing 3b and have had some exp at 3rd in AAA.

  38. Fran the original February 27th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    yankeefeminista,

    Thanks for the offer.

  39. tampayank February 27th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    “# Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    As to Knicks/Heat, this is really being blown out of proportion. I certainly hope the rivalry can be rekindled, but until the Knicks become consistent winners, there is no rivalry at this point. This team has had all of 2 games to gell together before tonight – and Melo isn’t even healthy.

    Knicks have no defense and Melo & Amare took max money…w/ a hard cap most likely coming it will be harder for them to form a team that will live up to the hype…the Heat will actually have more cap space long term to add role players…good Lebatard article on the 2 team’s situations

    http://www.miamiherald.com/201.....z1FBE017jl

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    “BFD? Just showing that you were in no way in the ‘minority’. You like to pretend that you were always on the right side of prior arguments, bringing it up smugly months later to try and get cred. Didn’t come out against it because prices weren’t discussed? No one is buying that. You were posting up a storm about CC, Lee, Andy, and Hughes leading the charge.

    And how could you EVER come out against a Yankee move? I thought you trust them to know how to win?”

    WAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  41. PhiltheThrill February 27th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    All this rancor makes the Catcher Jesus cry. Be nice to each other. Betances!

  42. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Nice to see Vazquez homering again, I think his calling card is power and driving in runs.. if Chavez doesn’t make the cut, Jorge certainly made an interesting candidate.

    The problem with Vazquez is that he has little plate discipline. He is some patience away from being a real dangerous hitter. I don’t know if his approach will play at the major league level. Though for a backup to have that much power might be alright.

  43. mick February 27th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    such children, such a shame…

  44. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    WAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Is this you? Like every post you make? Did you not just write 300 words crying about me posting about you?

    It does fit the Trisha theme: emotionally unbalanced

  45. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    “Yup, so boring that you are posting furiously with your insults and condescension. And I have called Randy and GB7 plenty of names, you may have missed them while making out with CR9 over email.”

    Aren’t you the hero to call Randy and GB7 plenty of names.

    Here’s more rope. Have a ball.

    :)

  46. m February 27th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Fran,

    You’re so sweet. :)

    I’m glad they won, too. Can’t have the young upstarts getting to confident against us.

    I get to watch both. They start about 6 hours apart. I wouldn’t mind watching for HathaFranco. But otherwise it’s getting more and more boring for me. Now the Grammy’s is a pretty fun show. (fighting middle age tooth and nail)

  47. mick February 27th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    speaking of getting a life…
    stay in here all day, what fun, get real…

  48. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    “such children, such a shame…”

    Yes mick, isn’t it a shame? How about someone here start calling you names and taking shots at you. If you respond I’ll be the first one to call you a child. Deal?

  49. mick February 27th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    a mind is a terrible thing to waste…

  50. mick February 27th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    It does fit the Trisha theme: emotionally unbalanced

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    :roll:

  52. jankees27 February 27th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Lots to like about the game today…

    2 perfect innings from Nova including a backwards K for Howard
    Betances strikes out the side
    Opposite field dinger from Granderson
    Ribby single for Montero and another very well-hit ball
    Vazquez making a nice early impression and Mitre pitched well.

    Until tomorrow (when people freak out if CC gives up a run) at least things are looking good

  53. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Trisha just can’t handle the truth of her own words. Its tough lying to yourself every day of your life.

  54. m February 27th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Jerkface,

    I just vouched for you. You making me look bad, dude. :mad:

  55. mick February 27th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Yes mick, isn’t it a shame? How about someone here start calling you names and taking shots at you. If you respond I’ll be the first one to call you a child. Deal?
    ==============
    you ask for it.

  56. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    “It does fit the Trisha theme: emotionally unbalanced”

    Oh, you mean the one who gets all twisted if the Yankees lose a game, some more than others? Oh sorry, that would be you.

    Emotionally unbalanced? Put the mirror down now mick.

  57. Tom in N.J. February 27th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    How did Betances stuff look today?

  58. mick February 27th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    loser

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    “Its tough lying to yourself every day of your life”

    You should know freak

  60. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    On this day 1865, Trisha’s great great grandmother was spotted changing out of a confederate nurse’s uniform and vehemently shouting that ‘She’d always been a Union gal’.

  61. mick February 27th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    the immaturity is boundless…

  62. LGY February 27th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    “Knicks have no defense and Melo & Amare took max money…w/ a hard cap most likely coming it will be harder for them to form a team that will live up to the hype…the Heat will actually have more cap space long term to add role players…good Lebatard article on the 2 team’s situations”

    ———————

    The Heat have 65 million in cap holds in 2012, 71 million in 2013, and 76 million in 2014.

    LeBron, Bosh, Wade, Miller, Haslem, and Joel Anthony all have guaranteed contracts through 2015.

    Right now, the Knicks have significantly more cap space going forward.

  63. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Yes mel, that’s what I’m talking about.

    I will now leave so dumb (mick) and dumber (yarnball) can high five each other.

    But the real reason is so posters here can post about today’s game and anything else they care to discuss.

    Later y’all.

    :)

  64. Cashmoney February 27th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Though for a backup to have that much power might be alright.
    ——————
    Dunno either Jerk, his walk/so rate is pretty alarming in AAA. If he is an uber aggressive hitter, ML pitchers will certain test the boundary of strike zone and exploited. but for that role with that kind of power, if he can even remotely sub at 3b, he deserves considerations IMO.

  65. hardwired7 February 27th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    How did Betances stuff look today?

    —————————

    crank the knob to 11 good.

    it looked like a dirt grenade was going off in Montero’s glove every time a pitch slammed into it.

  66. mick February 27th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    judgmental fool…

  67. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    m,

    I appreciate the vouchers but I don’t need them. My record speaks for itself, which is to say it is full of contention, debate, and arguments. Sorry to make you look bad, though.

    I probably had nothing but nice things to say about you because you’re not full of yourself and a liar, like Trisha.

    See what I did there?

  68. West Coast Yankee Fan February 27th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    Trisha! Men have cats! I have dogs and cats – come on : )

  69. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    Tom in N.J. February 27th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
    How did Betances stuff look today?

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Tom, he looked good….near great. Threw too many pitches, though. 22 in his one inning. Blazing high fastballs and a pretty good breaking pitch. Maybe trying to throw too hard in his first game. Mechanics were a little off from time to time. Waiting to see his next game with 2 plus innings.

  70. E . R . California February 27th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    Has Phil Hughes figure out how to get a hitter out after two strikes yet ?

  71. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    No trades. Everything the Yankees need is in the organization.

  72. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    I don’t own a cat, but I do have a roomba. It takes out the trash. Kind of like me a way.

  73. Tom in N.J. February 27th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    GB, thanks. I only saw the 3 ks and assumed he was very good. Was the CB snapping?

  74. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    I want to see a spring training game with Hughes, Nova, Betances, Brackman, Sabathia all taking the mound. Just one monster after another.

  75. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    GB, thanks. I only saw the 3 ks and assumed he was very good. Was the CB snapping?

    Opposing fans else-where on the internet were posting in astonishment at some of the good ones he dropped in.

  76. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    LGY, D’antoni is a nice guy, but they need a coach that cares about defense. That’s on Donnie Walsh for hiring this guy. They actually aren’t even a lock to make the playoffs as they are only 4 games up on the 8th seed and they have a brutal schedule. I hope they play well tonight, but after Cleveland, I can’t get that excited. I think Paul really wants to be here, though, and would take less to sign.

  77. michaels07 February 27th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    the young man from Mexico has awsome power, hope he sticks.

  78. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Who cares if anyone is a nice guy if you don’t actually know them?

  79. LGY February 27th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Betsy,

    The Knicks odds of making the playoffs is 97.5%.

    They will make it. It just depends on the seed they get.

  80. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    About 50-50. Tom. The good ones were great. The bad ones were OK. The only guy he walked was Ruiz. As well as he crushes fastballs, he managed two ticked fouls on fastballs before finally walking.

  81. vinny-b February 27th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    with the arms in this system, the Yankees don’t need to look outside the organization. Either now, or at the trade deadline.

    pass on Liriano, Carpender, etc.

    patience. I wish to see what Banuelos, Betances, Brackman, Nova, and Brett Marshall can do, in due time…

  82. Fran the original February 27th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    mel,

    I almost like the Red Carpet better than the show. Fun to see all of the outfits and hair styles.

  83. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    What on earth is your point, Rich? MY point was that I don’t think he’s the right coach for this team.

    LGY, all I want is for them to make the playoffs and be competitive……I don’t have unrealistic expectations for theme. We’ll see – they’ve not played well in a long time.

  84. m February 27th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    It’s coaching, but it’s personnel, too. I think if the players wanted to get after it defensively, D’antoni wouldn’t object to it.

  85. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    Since Liriano would only be on tap for 2011 and 2012 (if I recall correctly) I wouldn’t mind the Yankees acquiring him as long as they don’t trade Montero or any of the B’s. He will be able to pitch just in time for a 2012 midseason injury that ushers Manny or Betances to the bronx.

  86. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    If the players have to decide to emphasize D on their own, it’s time for another coach.

  87. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    Betsy

    My point is what I said it is.

  88. KPB February 27th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    Tom, he looked good….near great. Threw too many pitches, though. 22 in his one inning. Blazing high fastballs and a pretty good breaking pitch. Maybe trying to throw too hard in his first game. Mechanics were a little off from time to time. Waiting to see his next game with 2 plus innings.
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    GB7

    I thought he looked good today. Since you follow the minors and going by what you said above; is he usually better than today? And how about Montero with that broken bat hit? All I’ve heard was talk about the young ones, but after seeing them today I’m really excited.

  89. hardwired7 February 27th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Girardi spent a good portion of his in-game interview detailing all the pros to breaking Montero in slowly at the major league level.

    Considering how measured he typically is when discussing the workings of the team, I think it’s not reading into it too much to say that Montero has a very good chance of being on the opening day roster.

  90. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Ok, but that has nothing to do with I said, so I don’t get it…….

  91. m February 27th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    If ownership wanted to emphasize D, the time for another coach would have been before the press conference introducing D’antoni as their head coach. They knew what he was n

  92. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    MY point was that I’m not going to rip him to shreds like other Knick fans, but I still don’t think he’s the right coach. That said, the players deserve a majority of the blame if they can’t find the energy to put in an effort in every game

  93. Mell February 27th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    “It’s coaching, but it’s personnel, too”

    Bingo!

  94. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    M, that’s why I don’t blame D’antoni as much as others; I know everyone loves Donnie, but he’s the one who hired Mike, so he should get as much blame

  95. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    KPB, hard to get much better than 3 strikeouts and a walk in one inning, but, first game of the spring and hitting 97 <PH a few times and some nasty breaking pitches, Betances was outstanding. Pitch count was up because he was 2 balls on everyone, but, they couldn't even get a loud foul off of him. He gets his strikeouts, but usually not as many fouls or balls. Maybe overthrowing and mechanics off a bit. Hopefully, he looks that bad for about 15-17 more years.

  96. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Betsy

    It’s not just you. It’s a general point. Your post reminded me of it.

    m

    Ownership is beyond clueless. I mean, he’s still, in his own words, “close friends” with Isiah Thomas even though the sociopath embarrassed the organization with his mismanagement and indifference to the amorality of Marbury and his cousin.

  97. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    The personnel is capable if giving a defensive effort every night. I played tough defense with a fraction of their athleticism.

  98. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Nova, impressed a lot. 2 strikeouts and 4 ground outs, about 18-20 pitches.

  99. m February 27th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    It’s energy, but it’s also a concept. Help defense etc.

    I think D’antoni’s run and gun is designed to maximize the number of offensive touches. Does he still do the 7 seconds or less thing?

  100. Mell February 27th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    “How did Betances stuff look today?”

    This tweet from Kevin Goldstein may paint the picture:

    “Kevin Goldstein Decorum prevents me from repeating the text I just got from a baseball person at the Betances show. I’ll simply say he was impressed.”

    I’m guessing it was something like “mother bleepin’ nasty”

  101. KPB February 27th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    GB7

    That’s what I was thinking. I guess I was confused in how you worded it.

    How’s things going today?

  102. RhapsodyInBlue February 27th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    I just love to watch these kids come up through the system.

    Cashman and Oppenheimer have a great job.

    Go Knicks!!

  103. m February 27th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    But in the interest of fair reporting Karl couldn’t get his guys to play defense. But, yes, the Knicks need to learn to play D if they want to make noise in the east.

  104. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Defense is about a mindset, schemes, and emphasis. It’s not D’Antoni’s thing, and he has rebuffed Walsh’s efforts to hire a DC.

    Yes, to the 7 sec,

  105. SAS February 27th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    GB,

    I was thinking about you yesterday…I know it wasn’t about sports, but for the life of me I can’t remember what it was about. Talk about getting old.

  106. SAS February 27th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Fran,

    I was amazed to find out how young you are.

  107. LGY February 27th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    The funniest thing is that D’antoni has his brother as his main defensive assistant.

  108. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    I really don’t care if Dolan is friends with Isaiah or not -he’s allowed to be friends with whomever he chooses.

  109. LGY February 27th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    The Knicks supposedly spent almost their entire last practice and film session working on defensive “concepts”, so it will be interesting to see tonight if Mike has any idea what a defensive concept is.

  110. Fran the original February 27th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    I was amazed to find out how young you are.
    *****************
    SAS,

    Why do you say that?

  111. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    So if it’s a mindset, then the players are not putting out the effort. That’s on D’Antoni for not getting his players to play hard and also on the players for not having pride enough to do so. They are hardly good enough to be taking nights off like the one they did in Cleveland.

  112. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Its going to be sad when Betances and company get sent to minor league camp :(

  113. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Betsy

    “I really don’t care if Dolan is friends with Isaiah or not -he’s allowed to be friends with whomever he chooses.”

    That’s nice, but ignores the context.

    m

    “If ownership wanted to emphasize D, the time for another coach would have been before the press conference introducing D’antoni as their head coach. They knew what he was n”

    As I pointed out in my reply to m’s post, the Isiah friendship is another brick in the wall of evidence that the owner is an incompetent boob.

  114. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    SAS it must have been my wit and wisdom or a nightmare

  115. 108 stitches February 27th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    I guess it’s safe to say that Starbury Sneaks can be had for next to nothing or found among the piles of trash in dumpsters.

  116. m February 27th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    It’s sad to see players get sent back in batches. It’s like getting cut.

    Will be interesting to see how long Montero lasts. :)

  117. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    KPB February 27th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
    GB7

    That’s what I was thinking. I guess I was confused in how you worded it.

    How’s things going today?

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    KPB, that’s one of the hazards of asking me a question. You have to decide whether it’s what I type or what I meant to type.

  118. tyanksfan36 February 27th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Jerkface says:

    February 27, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Its going to be sad when Betances and company get sent to minor league camp ?

    —-
    Except for the people who will get to see them live. It was a sad day for me when they got promoted. I have a feeling it won’t be long til we see them though.

  119. CompassRosy February 27th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Never really cared for him, but I was hoping we could bolster our pitching with the acquisition. But that’s all he was for me. An acquisition. Zero personality. Aloof, bordering on arrogant. And it seemed like he’s on some kind of medication.

    m ~

    I’ve read other, similar comments re: Cliff Lee so thought I’d chime in with my perspective…

    By all accounts, when he was here in Seattle, Cliff was the epitome of an excellent teammate. Not only did he lead by example with his exemplary work ethic but he was also proactive in sharing his knowledge and experience with the young pitchers (or anyone who wanted to listen).

    All this despite an abysmal Mariners season that was fraught with clubhouse chemistry issues, not to mention the historically bad bats. Under those circumstances, it seems it would have been easy for him to just stay to himself until every fifth day rolled around. But he didn’t. I think he earned a ton of respect for that.

    Oh, and he also had a very dry sense of humor that took some getting used to ;-)

    Just my two cents.

    ~Rosy

  120. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    KPB, doing pretty well here, today. Thanks for asking. Hope all is well at your home.

    I figure if I can deal with Randy and MTU on the same day, I can take anything.

  121. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Well as to Lee, I wish the media would stop going to him for quotes already. We get it – he didn’t want to be in NY and he thinks Philly is the far superior team. It’s over and done with……….I normally don’t have issues with them, but now I hope they have an awful year.

  122. KPB February 27th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    KPB, that’s one of the hazards of asking me a question. You have to decide whether it’s what I type or what I meant to type.
    ————————-
    GB7

    Even though I failed the ESP course in school, your posts are still fun to try and decipher. :smile:

  123. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    I think Montero is going to be one of the final cuts IF he is cut. Good chance he isn’t. Yankees don’t care about arbitration years, so I could see them bringing Montero north. Though Cashman might see trying to get extra value out of Montero and bring him up around April 20th to get an extra year of control.

  124. m February 27th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Rosy,

    Thanks for that. I know there’s risk when making these kinds of judgements. Pre-mariners, Lee was a real thorn in our side in the playoffs, so there was some lingering resentment. The smirks on the mound, the gunky hat, the strikeouts. Ugh! Grrr!

  125. m February 27th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Oh, and post-mariners, too.

    Lee has a lot of confidence in a sport where you never know sometimes beats out the best team on paper.

  126. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    I will say one thing in D’Antoni’s behalf (sort of). If you rebound well, your defense looks better because there are less offensive chances for the other team. The Knicks’ are not a good rebounding team right now, partially as a result of size. The really need to concentrate on boxing out to mitigate that to the degree possible.

  127. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    change partially to mostly

  128. tyanksfan36 February 27th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    If anyone is going to be in Tampa at the end of March, the minor league spring training games will take place at the minor league complex at 1 pm. The A and high A play at home on the same day/same time. When they are away, AA and AAA play at home same day/same time. It would probably be a really good time to see them and probably won’t be very many people there since Yankees spring training will also be taking place.

  129. tomingeorgia February 27th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    Just heard that Duke Snider died at 84. Mickey, Willie, and no Duke. Was that not a great time? Sorry to interrupt with off-topic stuff.

  130. m February 27th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    I don’t watch the Knicks, but rebounding can be a product of desire, too.

    But you’re right, stature has a lot to do with it. I saw Gasol and Bynum both win rebound battles near the basket simply because they had the most length. Can’t teach length.

  131. CompassRosy February 27th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Speaking of athletes’ persona/attitude, it seems baseball lost one of its better examples today…

    http://tinyurl.com/46xhtbh

    “I can no longer, in good conscience, play the game in a manner that reflects the positive example for the younger generation of baseball players,” he said. “Physically, I’m fine. But mentally, my reasons for wanting to be in uniform have become so thin and narrow that I refuse to disrespect the game that has provided so generously for my family in a halfhearted way.

    “This game of ours owes me nothing, but I owe the game at least that much. When a player finds his willingness to compete to be so greatly diminished, that player must leave the game so as not to disrespect it by becoming a player who plays solely for his paycheck and his own personal glory.

    “This is a notion so distasteful to me it makes me physically sick to my stomach.”

    Sorry we hardly knew you, Jody.
    You certainly sound like the type of man more athletes should emulate.

  132. Giuseppe Franco February 27th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    # Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Well as to Lee, I wish the media would stop going to him for quotes already. We get it – he didn’t want to be in NY and he thinks Philly is the far superior team. It’s over and done with……….I normally don’t have issues with them, but now I hope they have an awful year.

    ————

    He never said that he thought Philly had a “far superior” team.

    Perhaps Lee thought that Philly had a much easier path to the WS than the Yanks. We all know the NL East is the minor leagues compared to the AL East and pitching in the NL would be considerably easier.

  133. SJ44 February 27th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Doll an is more than “just friends” with Isiah.

    He talks to him almost everyday and seeks his advice on team matters.

    The two scouts who got the Knicks fined 200k for illegal pre-draft workouts? Both Isiah hires.

    Donnie wanted to fire both of them and Dolan wouldn’t do it.

    He not only wouldn’t do it, he PROMOTED Rodney Heard because he was Isiah’s buddy.

    James Dolan really is an awful owner.

    He’s destroyed the Knicks franchise and getting Carmelo Anthony isn’t likely to change the franchise to any great degree.

    Especially since they traded almost the entire team to get him.

  134. CompassRosy February 27th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Oh, and post-mariners, too.

    :)

  135. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Obviously, it won’t happen, but if you started a season with this personnel and Pat Riley as the coach, they’d win 50-55 games.

  136. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Don Zimmer reflected on the passing of former Dodgers teammate Duke Snider:

    “Mickey (Mantle), Duke and (Willie) Mays, they were great players in one town. Duke never got the credit for being the outfielder that (Willie) Mays and Mantle were. Firts of all, it was a small ballpark, Ebbetts Field. And Duke was a great outfielder and a great player. What can I say – I played with him for five years. … He was a great centerfielder and a great hitter. As a friend, I had a lot of good times with him. (Johnny) Podres and I and Duke, we spent many hours at night over a beer or something. Duke liked the horses like I did. … He was a great guy. They’re all passing away. There’s not many left. I’m still standing, I don’t know for how long.’’

    http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/.....uke-snider

  137. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Lee did say the Phillies have a better roster and that he thinks he can win multiple WS with them. Either way, it doesn’t matter. He was just waiting for the Phillies to get involved – him saying that he might have signed here otherwise is a silly comment. What’s the point? To make Yankee fans feel better? He’s not here, he didn’t accept the huge offer we had on the table for him and waited until his current team got involved. I just don’t get why the media feels it necessary to keep going back to him.

    SJ, seriously – they were .500 before Anthony, so you tell me that the Knicks were going to do great things with that roster? No, they aren’t winning it all this year or probably next, but they have a better chance with 2 stars than with none – and I trust Donnie to build a good team around these two.

  138. Tar February 27th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Thanks for posting that Rosy.

    Of course as a Yankee fan, I couldn’t help but think of Andy.

  139. BeholdArNo February 27th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Trading Danilo Galinari away is trading half the team? Chandler was gone at the end of the season, Felton was gone at the end of next season, and Mozgov has played a whopping 50 games in his career.

    Carmelo Anthony, a top 10 NBA superstar, is not likely to change the future of the Knicks?

    They also have Billups’ contract to match up with Paul’s contract so that it remains a possibility to trade for Paul at next year’s deadline. Or Paul could be added at the end of next season.

    Why don’t you stick to talking about the sport you actually know about, baseball?

    How are your Heat doing, you fairweather Heat fan? A game out of first, hopefully they will come out of the East this year, since the Knicks are a year or 2 away from legitimately competing.

  140. Doreen February 27th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    I just got home. I did see the 9th inning of the game, so I knew it must have been good for someone, and I’m happy to read that Nova had a good outing, and that Mitre had a good outing as well.

    I saw Vazquez’ HR but nothing else of the offense. Sounds like it must have been a fun one to watch.

    :)

  141. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    KPB February 27th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
    KPB, that’s one of the hazards of asking me a question. You have to decide whether it’s what I type or what I meant to type.
    ————————-
    GB7

    Even though I failed the ESP course in school, your posts are still fun to try and decipher.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    The US Navy didn’t have as much decyphering the JN 25 naval codes during WWII.

  142. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Felton was only going to be here for 2 years (and we got Billups), Gallinari is nice (but he’s no Anthony and let’s see if he can even make an All-Star team before we canonize him) – he was also going to be an RFA in a year or two anyway, etc……These guys were mostly not going to be here long term.

  143. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Billups’ inclusion made that trade a steal.

    I do miss Gallo though.

  144. SJ44 February 27th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    That’s if Donnie sticks around. There is no guarantee he will be back.

    If he doesn’t, either Isiah, or one of his cronies, will be in charge of building around Amare and Carmelo.

    Chris Paul? A lot can happen in two years.

    Lebron was supposed to be a Knick. How did that turn out?

    There is no guarantee Chris Paul is going to the Knicks.

    There is a guarantee James Dolan will still own the Knicks.

    That’s not good for Knicks fans.

  145. Giuseppe Franco February 27th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    It’s not hard to figure out why the YES Network made Lee a story.

    The Yanks didn’t get the guy they wanted and he happened to be in the opposing dugout the last two days.

    It will be a topic the next time they play Philly as well.

  146. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    Behold, exactly.

    Mozgov went a strech of twenty or so games without playing; he had some promise, but holy cow he wasn’t Ewing, lol

  147. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Lebron, it turns out, didn’t want to be here……Chris Paul is no lock, I agree, because a lot can happen, but he does want to be here.

    I think Donnie will be back, but I’m not going to worry about it until

  148. SJ44 February 27th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    That trade is far from a “steal”.

    Its only a “steal” if they successfully build a team around both guys.

    If they don’t, they blew up their entire team for greater buzz and nothing else.

  149. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    He was a great guy. They’re all passing away. There’s not many left. I’m still standing, I don’t know for how long.’’

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    Forever, Zim, forever. Like Yogi, you’re immortal.

  150. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    I won’t worry about that now…………

    I’m hardly thrilled that Dolan owns the Knicks, but I’m not about to say that they got nothing from the Anthony deal because they traded their roster full of role players. It’s hilarious – before the deal, the talk was that the Knicks needed another star because they weren’t going to ever be serious contenders with their nice role players. Now that they are ex-Knicks, not only are they better players, but Anthony is worse, lol

  151. BeholdArNo February 27th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    Of course Chris Paul is no guarantee to be a Knick. Just like Cliff Lee was supposed to be a Yankee. That is why it was imperative to trade for Carmelo now and all the Knicks gave up was Danilo and a couple draft picks.

    Landry Fields, Carmelo, A’Mare, and Douglas is a nice core of young talent to build around.

    The future is very much bright in New York.

    Are you still upset about Allan Houston and .8 of a second?

  152. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    GF, probably so……………they’ll play the Phillies a lot this spring. I can’t wait for the regular season to begin so we can end the “what might have been” storyline.

  153. Tom in N.J. February 27th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    They’re a decent bigman away from being a contender.

    That, and maybe a coach who cares about defense. Nellie-ball/7 seconds or less is fun to watch. But fun don’t win rings…

  154. SJ44 February 27th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    How do you know he wants to be there?

    It wasn’t about Lebron “not wanting to be there”.

    The presentation the Knicks made, led by Dolan reading off index cards, turned him off.

    He also had no confidence they could build a successful team because of ownership and the Isiah nonsense.

    Isiah promised he would “deliver” Lebron. He couldn’t even get a face to face with Lebron. lol

    If Isiah has the owners ear, you won’t see Chris Paul in NY.

  155. BeholdArNo February 27th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Getting a top 10 NBA superstar to pair with A’Mare and to give the Knicks to opportunity to build around in the future for Danilo Galinari is a steal. Whether the Knicks build around the 2 and whether D’Antoni actually coaches them defense is entirely a different story. For the moment and the future, the Knicks have 2 superstars with which to work, and the possibility of adding a 3rd superstar via trade, because of the inclusion of Billups and his contract. That is a steal.

  156. m February 27th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    I wanted to throw up when I saw a picture and accompanying article in my newspaper about the Phillies rotation.

    Roy was laughing. Blanton looked surprised he was even there. Cliff Lee was holding court with a big smile. Hamels was in on the joke. But Oswalt was in the classic defensive position with his arms crossed, with a big scowl as he looked offstage.

    They are good, but so are we.

  157. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Lebron was also thought to have not been impressed by Walsh – I mean, how shallow is that? So Donnie is in his 70′s and in his wheelchair………..so what? Did Miami give such a fantastic presentation ? I doubt it – they’d been planning this teammup for a couple of years.

  158. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    The whole idea of putting on a show just to lure a basketball player is ludicrous………..

  159. SJ44 February 27th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Been a Heat season ticket holder since 1992. That’s fair weather? lol

    Knick pom pom wavers are pretty funny.

    They have been an embarrassment of an NBA franchise for years and now Carmelo is going to change all that?

    We shall see.

    I forgot more about the NBA than you will ever know.

    Save your smack talk when your team actually does something.

  160. Doreen February 27th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    And now that I’ve read more closely, I see Betances was impressive as well? Good day, Yankees!

    Oh, and I got to see hear/see the first 3 innings of yesterday’s game on the 9 am replay. Saw Joba make easy work. Nice. :)

  161. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    I’ve been over Lee not signing with the Yankees since the day after.

  162. BeholdArNo February 27th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    SJ44

    Actually, Isiah was never involved in the Lebron dealings until the last couple days. Even though Isiah ran the Knicks into the ground during his GM days, had Isiah been used from day one in the Lebron dealings, Lebron may very well have been a Knick.

    As it turns out, Lebron lacks the desire to lead a team and only desired to play with his butt buddies and have a good time in South Beach.

  163. m February 27th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    I think LeBron had his mind made up for a while. I think if he had won it all on his own in Cleveland, he might have stayed. But the foundation of the current heat team seems to have been laid years ago.

  164. RhapsodyInBlue February 27th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    I’m sick of listening to Lee, I can’t stand to look at him, I muted his interview, complained because we had to look at his face while the game was being played.

  165. LGY February 27th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    The Knicks got the 2 best players in the trade, and the two best by a significant margin.

    The trade was a major win on the Knicks end.

  166. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    “You like to pretend that you were always on the right side of prior arguments, bringing it up smugly months later to try and get cred. Didn’t come out against it because prices weren’t discussed? No one is buying that. You were posting up a storm about CC, Lee, Andy, and Hughes leading the charge.”

    :)

    Choke on your words, yarnball. Like I told people, they always have to check on what you say because you’ll throw anything out there and hope it sticks, lies and all.

    ****************

    I know most of you will remember that I wasn’t around for a good part of the offseason due to a death in my family. I didn’t return to the forum until some time in December. But when I did return, I spoke out against signing Lee. I hope if that earthworm brings this up again and attempts to spin it the way he did previously, some of you will remember that you saw these posts…

    *******************

    trisha – OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 14th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Oh Fran. I don’t want Cliff Lee. He’s already 31. But when Andy decides to go we will need a 5th starter. I wonder if anyone in the minors will be ready to step up.

    ________________________________

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 12th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    And at least a few of us have been ambivalent about Lee from the get go.

    Well think I’ll watch me a little football. Interestingly enough the earth continues to spin no matter what Cliff Lee does, and the Yanks still have the most world series titles in major league baseball.

    It’s good to be a Yankee fan.

    Later y’all.

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    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 12th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    I’m being totally honest when I say that I’m really ambivalent about Lee. 7 years for a 32-year-old pitcher? Why is it that people get so hyped about a pitcher who masters the Yanks? Shouldn’t we want someone who also masters our main competitors?

    I’m actually okay with him choosing Texas. The worst part of it will be having to listen to the yelpings from RSN. You know they’ll have the Yanks for dead if that happens.
    JMO

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    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 13th, 2010 at 8:08 am

    http://www.newyorkpost.com/p/s.....dwTUA4MSII

    Thank you Jesus.

    No 32-year old pitcher who doesn’t have a mastery of the AL East – except for the Yankees that is – deserves the spalsh that little two-game world series loser hayseed is getting. PLEASE stay in Texas Lee. I’d rather see the Yankees go through two years of rebuilding than to get another pitcher who knew how to kick the butts of the Yankees but had a losing record when he faced their main competition.

    I’m not wowed, RadioKev. I hope you have your own Plan B option available if he doesn’t come to the Bronx because you’re like an agitated little kid who is expecting a real puppy on Christmas and looks like he might spiral into a major depression if he gets tonka truck instead.

    Give me the tonka truck any day. Less maintenance involved.

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    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 13th, 2010 at 8:55 am

    “Over the past three years Cliff Lee has been out pitching CC Sabathia”

    Hell if I got to pitch out of the AL Central or AL West, I’d out pitch CC too!
    Pul-lease.

    ________________________

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 13th, 2010 at 8:16 am

    Kate –

    Something makes me think you didn’t get one every year, and look at you! Hale, hearty, optimistic, and a Yankee fan.

    The earth will continue to spin if Ichabod decides against NY (which I hope he does). I’d love to see Cashman go out and get a Freddy Garcia, stick in an Ivan Nova, fish around for a few more easy pieces, and see all of them have career years. Stranger things have happened.

    If Lee end up here I’ll root for him the way I do anyone who ends up in pinstripes and who isn’t a flippin’ prima donna. But short of that, I hope he stays away.

    ___________________________________

    I would say those are pretty clear.

    I don’t lie.

  167. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    So what, SJ, you think Rome was built in a day? The Knicks should be title contenders right now? I guess Anthony sucks as a player?

  168. Doreen February 27th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    GB7 -

    I’m with you regarding Lee. I’m not sure why, but I don’t really care. And you know what? that’s an awful lot of pressure over there, isn’t it?

  169. SJ44 February 27th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    That wasn’t true Betsy.

    In fact, when they first played this year, he personally sought out Donnie and told him that story was 100% BS.

    Talking smack over Allen Houston’s shot? That’s hysterical.

    You do realize the Heat have won a championship since then.

    Do you seriously want to compare the two franchises since Riley came to Miami?

    You can stop embarrassing yourself now.

  170. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    I know you didn’t say that, but to not even acknowledge that Anthony helps the team enormously, even if not this year, doesn’t make much sense.

    I personally think this game is being overhyped because the Knicks are not that good right now – I mean, I don’t care about the Lebron/Melo matchup; it’s not like they are a pitcher and catcher. They’re not going against each other. You can’t have a rivalry until the Knicks become good again and I don’t know any Knick fans that have delusions of grandeur that you’re attributing to them.

  171. LGY February 27th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    There are three superstars in CP, DWill, and Howard on the FA market in 1.5 years.

    One of those three will be in a Knick uniform.

  172. BeholdArNo February 27th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    A season ticket holder? Oh, color me silly. Do you actually care about the Heat or care when they lose, as you care about the Yankees when they fail to win the World Series?

    Knick pom-pom waver? I’ve recorded every Knicks game for the past 20+ years. I can’t argue about them being an embarrassment for quite a while, but we have Isiah to thank for that, and Dolan to thank for Isiah.

    Yes, Carmelo adds a legitimate 2nd superstar to the mix and gives hope for the future.

    Smack talk? Me saying I hope the Heat come out of the East is smack talk? News to me…

    “Houston ducks under, got it, with 8 tenths left!”

  173. Doreen February 27th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Maybe I’ll come back later.

    :?

  174. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    SJ, well I hope so. I personally don’t spend any time hating on Lebron – he made his decision and it was his to make. He has ever right to go where he wants to be, even though I was very disappointed at the time. Everyone assumed he wanted to be a Knick because he’s a Yankee fan, but ok – that’s not the case. Paul may or may not end up here, but the buzz is stronger that he wants to be here than it was for Lebron. I’m not sure there was any proof that Lebron wanted to come other than that he is a Yankee fan.

  175. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Allan Houston’s shot v. the Heat was the worst thing that ever happened to the Knicks because it led them to believe that they were better than they were, when they should have made major changes.

    Riley is a top two or three NBA mind. Keeping Checketss over him was the undoing of the Knicks.

  176. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Doreen, don’t go, lol…..how are you?

  177. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    I loved Riley, but the weasel faxed over his resignation…………pretty awful.

  178. BeholdArNo February 27th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    It’s Allan Houston, not Allen Houston.

    Wow, the Heat have won a championship since then. Because Riley the weasel knifed New York in the back. And because David Stern despises Mark Cuban.

    The Heat have approximately 0 fans in their fanbase. Nobody cares about the Heat. Certainly not you.

  179. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Ian O’Connor has an article on the Heat/Knicks rivalry – some not so very nice things about Riley emerge.

  180. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Riley was willing to stay if they made him team president. They messed up.

  181. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    Doreen, you don’t have to go anywhere. I’m not staying. I was accused of being a liar, among other things, having to do with my position on Cliff Lee. (Why anybody would assume that someone would lie about what they’ve said in the past, especially since the forum is out there to be searched, is beyond me.)

    However, I’ve now put that accusation to bed.

    My right to do so since I was accused of lying to gain “street cred”.

    :roll:

  182. SJ44 February 27th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    LOL. Are you serious?

    Isiah was involved THROUGHOUT the talks.

    He even wanted to go to Cleveland for the meeting until Donnie went ballistic and Dolan backed off.

    He then went to Cleveland and not only couldn’t get a sitdown with Lebron, he couldn’t even talk to Maverick Carter.

    He had no juice to do anything with Lebron.

    Lebron lacks desire? Are you serious? lol

    Do you even watch his games. The Heat is HIS team now.

    He hardly lacks desire.

    Betsy,

    Show me a post where I said Carmelo sucks as a player.

    He’s a great offensive player. He’s not a good defender.

    They have to compensate for that.

    If not, the combo won’t work.

  183. Tom in N.J. February 27th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Keenan/Riley leaving the summer of ’94 ruined both the Rangers/Knicks

  184. Doreen February 27th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Betsy-

    Hi!

    I wasn’t going anywhere. I just didn’t know where any of the conversations were going. I wish I could relate to Basketball, but it’s the one sport that I know nothing but and never really wanted to know anything about. LOL.

    I do know my daughter will be switching channels between the Knicks and the Oscars. SHE is a Knicks fan. She bought a Galinari shirt a week or so before he was traded. She asked me what should she do with it? I told her it was still good for PJs. And that’s the extent of my involvement in the Knicks. :)

  185. m February 27th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Didn’t he also weasel-knife SVG? He’s a Laker legend, Miami must have changed him. Just kidding SJ!

  186. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    If Dolan is still listening to Isiah, that’s a problem going forward, but the Knicks won that trade on the merits by a lot.

  187. West Coast Yankee Fan February 27th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    The Heat is Wade’s team and always will be.

  188. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    SJ, I know – you didn’t say that. I apologize.

    I admit it’s hardly good when your two best players, two superstars, don’t play any defense. You’re right- they do have to compensate for that. However, that’s not happening this year – that’s for the offseason. I don’t get why any player shouldn’t at least be competent defensively since it’s a matter of effort.

  189. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Doreen, oh, I thought you meant my post – and I wasn’t really blaming you!

    :)

    What color is your car? I’ve been meaning to ask you that.

  190. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Doreen February 27th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
    GB7 -

    I’m with you regarding Lee. I’m not sure why, but I don’t really care. And you know what? that’s an awful lot of pressure over there, isn’t it?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Doreen, I’m trying to remember the last time a team hammered on about all of their aces and they crashed because of ineffectivemess and injuries and it never happened. Was it Boston with Martinez, Schilling and others or Atlanta, who couldn’t get over the WS hump besides one year?

    I wanted to see Lee and Pettitte but not at all costs. When garcia and Burnett leave, NYYs will need places to park these young arms. A team with Grow-Your-Owns and FA pitchers is how teams like NYYs (late drafting) will need to build staffs. Pay a lot and gamble on IFAs and hard to sign kids. Cashman is now doing that.

  191. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    There can be so much drama here. I don’t get it.

  192. Betsy February 27th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Doreen, guess what, lol. I found out that Disney’s Star Wars weekends are starting in May, including when I’ll be there. I panicked a bit because I dread huge crowds, but it’s only confined to DisneyHollywood Studios, so instead of going to DHS on a Friday, I’ll go on a Thursday. Apparently, cast members of the various movies show up on different days and they have a Storm Trooper parade, lol. On my departure day, I may show up at DHS just to glimpse the hullaballoo, lol.

  193. Doreen February 27th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    trisha -

    I was just thinking I was out of the conversational loop, so to speak, that’s all.

    Sometimes you can miss a day on here and jump in and it’s like you never were gone; other days, like today, and the other day, it’s really weird. Several conversations at once about very different things. If you’ve not been following, it’s hard to hop in.

    So I figured maybe the best tactic was to wait to see which way the wind was blowing, so to speak. I never roam too far from the Lohud.

  194. BeholdArNo February 27th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Isiah was not in the meeting between Lebron and the Knicks.

    Dolan employed Isiah’s services near the very end of the dealings and sent him to Cleveland to get a sitdown, which Isiah got.

  195. SJ44 February 27th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    LOL. Knick smack talk and conspiracy theories. Too funny.

    Wake me when the Knicks actually do something.

    Betsy,

    The whole key to rebuilding the Knicks will be whether Dolan keeps Donnie in and Isiah out.

    If he does, Donnie will build a winner.

    If he doesn’t, and Isiah is either back or has his cronies running the team, they won’t be successful and Carmelo will use the opt out in his deal to leave.

    The ball is in Dolan’s court as to where they go from here.

  196. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    I don’t get it either. But when my good name is called into question, I will always respond, especially when I am called a liar.

    Oh well.

  197. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Oh Trisha

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue December 9th, 2010 at 8:13 am

    Cliff Lee, come to mama. Lackey, Papelbon, Beckett et al. Keep up the good work…

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue December 9th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Absoutely agree. Lee signs, Andy cannot wait to come back.

    GO YANKEES!!!

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue December 9th, 2010 at 9:39 am

    I’ll tell you scary good. CC, Lee, and Andy, with Hughes getting his game together.

    Sorry, friends, I ain’t afraid.

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue December 9th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Kate totally agree. Andy is a huge competitor. He’s considering another year. He definitely is not happy with the way they went out last year. What better than coming back to a rotation with CC and Lee. Yanks get Lee, Andy is back on board.

    trisha – true pinstriped blue December 10th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Here is my day late, dollar short, drive-by for the day, likely totally out of context with the current conversation, but oh well. It’s still baseball talk.

    Total guess. Lee chooses the Yankees because of the overall cachet associated with the organization and his desire to be part of the team that continues to slay the Sux.

    Here’s hoping I’m right.

    So you can change your story when it looks like the Lee deal is going to fall through, doesn’t change your previous statements. Can’t take credit for being in a minority when you are the former head of the majority.

  198. RhapsodyInBlue February 27th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Riley is a NY guy from Linton High in Schenectady his dad was a janitor at Bishop Gibbons High School and an alcoholic.

    Pat has really worked hard to make something of himself, there were no shortcuts.

    Both he and his brother were good athletes, I wish that he had stayed with the Knicks they’d be much better for it today if he did.

    As a Knick fan I wish him no ill will. But by the same token I would like to see the Knicks competitive again.

  199. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Doreen, it is hard sometimes to try to say something when some kind of discussion is going on. Been there, done that.

    :)

  200. BeholdArNo February 27th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    The Heat have one title. A title in the only year you ever cared about them.

    Yes, Lebron has a desire to have fun with his butt buddies; he has no desire to lead a team or win.

    The Heat will never be #6′s team. It will always be Miami-Wade County. You see that 3 point heave at the end of the Bulls game the other night, with 12 seconds? That was Lebron James at his finest. No brains, no desire.

  201. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    Doreen, I believe it was Singleton today that said Philadelphia is an aging team, like the Yankees and their window is closing fast. He mentioned that Domonic Brown will be the only under 30 regular player on the team if he makes the team. You’re right. Lot of pressure…much like Boston has on them after “winning the Winter World Series”.

  202. SJ44 February 27th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    I told you he wasn’t in the meeting in Cleveland. Read the posts.

    I said, he wanted to be there, and begged Dolan to take him but, Donnie went ballistic and Dolan backed off.

    When they felt they were lagging behind, despite the fact Isiah has another job, Dolan dispatched him to Cleveland to “save the deal”

    Isiah, despite his claims to the contrary, couldn’t get near Lebron.

    West Coast,

    Lebron runs that team now and Wade is tickled pink he is.

    On every team in the NBA, the best player ends up making the team “his team” as Lebron has done in Miami.

  203. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    The one thing saving Philly is that they’re going to be the class of their division. Not even contenders in that bunch. They’re really vulnerable considering their 3 best bats right now all have huge flaws. Even with good pitching last year they lost plenty of games when their offense tanked.

  204. Doreen February 27th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    trisha -

    Nope, I was just lost in the Lohud wilderness. The car is a light metallic grey; I forget the exact color name they gave it. Darker than silver, lighter than grey. :)

    Betsy -

    I never heard of Star Wars Weekend! I think you’ve got it maneuvered well. We were there once during Soap Week and saw Susan Lucci up close, but I don’t think there were that many people there just for Soap Week. I think Star Wars might attract more people.

    GB7 -

    I think the Yankees’ approach right now is a good one. It’s an exciting one, for sure. Both Noesi and Nova impressed this weekend, right? Good deal. I think it would be great for one of them (or another) to make the team, with another right in the wings waiting for the first opportunity. I can’t remember – is Betances looked at as a starter or relief guy? Could be he makes the team in the pen? Perhaps gets a start later in the year or does the Hughes route – year in the pen in prep for a starting role next season? It’s really exciting and my fingers are crossed.

    RIP Duke Snyder, BTW.

  205. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    The Star Wars Weekend dance contest has to be seen if you’re a fan of star wars.

  206. tomingeorgia February 27th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Duke Snider died today, only Willie left of Mickey, Willie and the Duke. Good days in NY baseball.

  207. BeholdArNo February 27th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    The best player ran that final possession against the Bulls like the best player, right?

    The best player can’t even shoot from the perimeter, but is too stupid to use his superior athletic ability and size to take it in the paint every time and get himself to the FT line.

    And the best player can’t even make crucial free throws? What was the team that Lebron failed to hit game-tying free throws against in the last few weeks with under a minute to go? I think it was the defending Eastern Conference Champs Celtics.

  208. SJ44 February 27th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    I’ve had season tickets for longer than you have been alive and that’s the only year I’ve cared about them? lol. Ok, whatever you say.

    Don’t let your little boy hatred of Lebron cloud your memory.

    No, Isiah, didn’t get a sitdown with Lebron. He didn’t get one with Maverick Carter or with Worldwide Wes.

    His “sitdown” consisted of a ten minute conversation with an entourage member of Lebron’s who told him neither Lebron nor Maverick wanted to see him.

    But hey, if you want to call it a sitdown, that’s ok with me. lol

  209. CompassRosy February 27th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    M’s win 13-12 in the 10th inning of their annual charity game vs. the Pads in Peoria.
    I think that may be more runs than they scored in most months last season ;)

    Best news though, came in the first inning…
    Erik Bedard ~ 9 pitches, 8 strikes, 2 strikeouts, 1 ground out

    I know, I’m not holding my breath (but I am crossing all appendages)

  210. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    “So you can change your story when it looks like the Lee deal is going to fall through, doesn’t change your previous statements. Can’t take credit for being in a minority when you are the former head of the majority.”

    :lol:

    Like I said, when the price was discussed, I said I didn’t want him. There in black and white. Deal wasn’t falling through on December 12th.

    Oh well.

  211. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    I didn’t want him in the spring either, when people talked about him coming from the Rangers. There in black and white.

    :)

  212. Carl February 27th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    The NBA is a joke.

    Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, Bosh, Amar’e are a bunch of non competitive scrubs.

    You think Magic would want to team up with Bird?

    Jordan with Isaiah after the Pistons were abusing him in the playoffs?

    Hell no.

    I enjoyed watching the all stars play with each other on the dream team.

    I want to see them compete during the season.

  213. Fran the original February 27th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    O/T

    Anybody watching the Oscar Red Carpet arrivals? Some magnificent gowns.
    Hailey Steinfeld designed her own gown. She looked perfect, especially for her age.

  214. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    In fact I believe it was Betsy and me who led the charge against him in the spring!

  215. Doreen February 27th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    jerkface -

    I didn’t realize how much offense they lost, till I heard (singleton?) talk about the hole that losing Werth creates and how left-handed their lineup is. (Or was that right-handed?) Forgive me, but my brain is a bit addled this evening.

    I thought the Braves were a viable contender over in the NL East? No?

    Such a strange division. Should be better than it is. Hey! I heard Wang was going to pitch soon? How will Washington stack up?

  216. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    Fran, what station?

  217. JS February 27th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    SJ-

    If Donnie stays on board, do you think he can build a championship team with Melo and Amare?

    Who would you rather have if he can carve the space, Chris Paul or Dwight Howard?

  218. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Doreen, all of the one ones did well, though Warren and Phelps each gave up a run in the games they pitched. They still looked good for the most part. Nova, Noesi and Betances just made it look too easy. The kids each had at least one hit and no errors in the field. Very successful weekend. The pitchers played against players that the only hits they gave up were hits to players with at least 500 ML at bats. The kids got to some of the ML pitchers, so, they got a good taste of success. Now, they have to back it up.

  219. Fran the original February 27th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Trisha,

    It’s on E. Giuliana is one of the hosts.

  220. BeholdArNo February 27th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    I don’t hate Lebron. I wish him all the best the rest of this year. I hope he takes the Heat out of the East.

    I am ecstatic that we got a New York guy, a winner and leader, so now the Knicks have 2 leaders that are not afraid of a challenge.

    Lebron was not cut out for New York. Just as he dwindled in the Finals against the Spurs, he would have dwindled under the bright lights like so many before him.

    Just admit it, man. You don’t care about the Heat. It’s okay. Nobody cares about the Heat. That’s expected.

  221. Jerkface February 27th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    I didn’t realize how much offense they lost, till I heard (singleton?) talk about the hole that losing Werth creates and how left-handed their lineup is. (Or was that right-handed?) Forgive me, but my brain is a bit addled this evening.

    Left handed, Howard, Utley, and Ibanez are all left handed. So is Dom Brown. Ruiz is their best right handed hitter I’d wager. Howard is of course neutralized by lefties. Utley to an extent, but he is real good (though having trouble staying on the field), and Ibanez is not very good.

    They decided to go heavy on pitching. I’m not sure its going to work out that way in the postseason if they face a more balanced team like the brewers or giants.

  222. Doreen February 27th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Re: Cliff Lee.

    I think most people just believed it was a fait accomplis, and therefore, at the beginning of the machinations were, if not embracing, at least accepting that Lee was going to be a part of the rotation, whether they really liked/wanted him or not.

    The longer the process got drawn out, I know I became disenamored of him to the point of not caring.

    I have a feeling that many share that feeling.

  223. briang February 27th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    can someone help me please?…i’m trying to figure a way to find the box score of a game on july 10th, 1988 at yankee stadium. yankees vs. royals. i googled and can’t find it. maybe i’m too dumb for this type of useless research. it was my first ever game at yankee stadium and i wanna see if i correctly remember jack clark having a homerun of his robbed by bo jackson….thank you to whoever can point me in a good direction. thank you.

  224. tomingeorgia February 27th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Didn’t anyone see that Duke Snider died today? Does that name mean anything to you folks?

  225. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Cool! Thanks, Fran. I’m going to go watch it now. Here’s hoping for the King’s Speech! (Now please remember I’m rooting for that tonight. I wouldn’t want anyone to think that I waited until after the awards were announced to say I wanted the King’s Speech, just so I could gain street cred…)

    :lol:

  226. mick February 27th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    baseballref.com

    briang

  227. West Coast Yankee Fan February 27th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    LeBron is a dominating player – but in terms of the greater Miami community and Heat fan base, it’s Wade’s team. If the Lakers signed LeBron. It would still be Kobe’s team. Etc.

  228. Doreen February 27th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    GB7 -

    It looks like it has the chance to be a very, very interesting spring. :)

  229. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    briang, hold on and I might be able to get it for you.

  230. BeholdArNo February 27th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    JS – Donnie is an extraordinary basketball mind. I’ve had the great pleasure of discussing basketball with Donnie, and his vision for the future is impeccable.

    Tough choice, Dwight Howard’s don’t come around too often. But Paul would be perfect. Don’t think Howard is coming to NY, though.

  231. LGY February 27th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    “The NBA is a joke.

    Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, Bosh, Amar’e are a bunch of non competitive scrubs.”

    —————————

    Those guys want to team up and compete against each other.

    The best vs the best.

  232. mick February 27th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    baseballreference.com briang

  233. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    10 july 1988

    http://www.baseball-reference......7100.shtml

  234. CompassRosy February 27th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    briang ~

    Baseball Reference.com, ever at the ready…

    http://www.baseball-reference......7100.shtml

  235. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    briang, http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....8807100NYA

  236. mick February 27th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Games Played on Sunday, Jul 10, 1988

    Standings. Winners in Bold. Click Score for Box Score.

    Vis Home Score Winner Loser

    TEX @BAL 1-2 J. Bautista B. Witt
    BOS @CHW 1-4 D. LaPoint S. Curry
    CAL @CLE 7-5 W. Fraser S. Bailes
    OAK @DET 8-2 D. Stewart W. Terrell
    MIL @MIN 3-2 C. Crim K. Atherton
    KCR @NYY 5-3 R. Anderson T. Stoddard
    SEA @TOR 0-5 J. Key M. Moore

    MON @ATL 4-2 (13) J. Parrett B. Sutter
    PHI @CIN 4-5 J. Armstrong S. Rawley
    NYM @HOU 5-6 J. Agosto R. McDowell
    PIT @LAD 7-2 B. Walk O. Hershiser
    CHC @SDP 4-2 G. Maddux E. Show
    STL @SFG 1-2 T. Mulhollan D. Cox

  237. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Doreen February 27th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
    GB7 -

    It looks like it has the chance to be a very, very interesting spring.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Yes, Doreen. It’ll be exciting and you won’t even have to read this board for excitement.

  238. SAS February 27th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Doreen,

    I am in NY and was at home last night. Too bad I didn’t know ahead of time that you would be in WP.

    In any case, I am returning to AZ in the AM.

    I hope your outing with your daughter worked out well.

  239. Nick in SF February 27th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    I’m still convonced we’re going to sign Aroldis Chapman. :(

  240. mick February 27th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    http://www.baseball-reference......7100.shtml

  241. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    Fran, here’s what I’m wondering. At what point did someone actually decide that Kelly Osborne dressed well? She was pretty freaky there for a long time!

    ********************

    “I’m still convonced we’re going to sign Aroldis Chapman. :(

    Hey nick, it ain’t over ’til it’s over!

    :)

    And I will remember that you wanted Chapman well before the Yankees ever (possibly) got him – not that you said it when it was happening so you could gain street cred…

  242. BeholdArNo February 27th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    You are convonced, Nick? : P

  243. Fran the original February 27th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Trisha, I think she underwent a fashion make-over. She actually looks pretty good, except for all of the tatoos :)

  244. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    “I think most people just believed it was a fait accomplis, and therefore, at the beginning of the machinations were, if not embracing, at least accepting that Lee was going to be a part of the rotation, whether they really liked/wanted him or not.

    The longer the process got drawn out, I know I became disenamored of him to the point of not caring.

    I have a feeling that many share that feeling.”

    Doreen, I think you might be right, though there were obviously fans who were heartbroken when he didn’t come. I know I had lots of discussions with Brian (S*x Fan) and certainly discussions with Fran saying that 7 years for a 32-year-old pitcher was much to much to give, especially with his record against the AL East (not a good one). But who’s counting…

    ;)

  245. briang February 27th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    whoa, thanks you guys for your help. one play in the box score makes it seem possible. in clark’s fourth at bat he hit a “deep” fly ball to left for an out…..could have been. or maybe it’s just me superimposing all the bo highights on my vague memory. i wish i could see that play. amazing line up that day for the yankees though….randolph, mattingly, winfield, rickey….meacham’s last game…rags pitched, tommy john started…and gator even pinch ran…crazy. the first and last time i went to yankee stadium were almost exactly 20 years apart, both against the royals…..crazy coincidence. thanks for all the links everyone.

  246. Doreen February 27th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    SAS -

    We had a nice time today. A brunch fund raiser at Bloomingdale’s. :)

    She ended up going out with her friends last night. They asked me to join them, but i stayed behind. It was such a long day yesterday. I’ll be back up there once you’re back for the summer. Have a safe trip to AZ. :)

  247. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Fran, yeah because she was definitely not a fashion icon for the longest while. Maybe it happened when she lost all that weight. Wish they’d cover the tatooes (the way David Tutera does when he has a bride with tatooes. He makes them put body makeup on to cover them.)

    :)

  248. Doreen February 27th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Trisha -

    The whole Lee negotiation process began to smell. Early.

    But I do understand that there are fans who were very disappointed, too.

  249. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    “it was my first ever game at yankee stadium and i wanna see if i correctly remember jack clark having a homerun of his robbed by bo jackson”

    briang, in some of the sites there will be a write up of the game. You might very well find some verbiage on that play. Or you could try googling some of the phrases or even post it as a question on Google. You never know what you might find.

  250. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
    “I think most people just believed it was a fait accomplis, and therefore, at the beginning of the machinations were, if not embracing, at least accepting that Lee was going to be a part of the rotation, whether they really liked/wanted him or not.

    The longer the process got drawn out, I know I became disenamored

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I had to read that twice to look for clues on what you were talking about when you said “disenameled”. Thought maybe you were looking for something to get enamel paint off of you.

  251. m February 27th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    So Francona had to step in between Jenks and Ozzie. All because Jenks could keep his yapper shut.

    “I’m a Red Sox now and that’s all that matters”. Isn’t the singular Red Sock? Doesn’t sound right the way he said it.

  252. tampayank February 27th, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    “BeholdArNo February 27th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    The Heat have one title. A title in the only year you ever cared about them.

    fanbase smack? cmon man….how was the Yankees attendance when they stunk in the 80s? Miami is a different type of town, more laid back sports fans and transplants that don’t carry over the allegiance

  253. tampayank February 27th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    “# BeholdArNo February 27th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    I am ecstatic that we got a New York guy, a winner and leader, so now the Knicks have 2 leaders that are not afraid of a challenge.

    Lebron was not cut out for New York. Just as he dwindled in the Finals against the Spurs, he would have dwindled under the bright lights like so many before him.

    1. did you see his supporting cast in Cleveland? especially compared to Kobe’s supporting cast the last few years once Gasol arrived in LA?
    2. ‘not cut out for New York’ cmon it’s 2011 not 1973 where every game is on television and ESPN created a specific section called ‘Heat Index’ for the Heat on espn.com…there would be pressure wherever he went and you can’t say with a straight face you would rather have Carmelo over Lebron the basketball player. The lights are bright everywhere these days, it’s not like he’s playing in Milwaukee

    I’m not even a Heat fan but the spin job/ hate fest on the guy is just the in thing to do, especially w/ some NY paper writers and Knicks fans

  254. briang February 27th, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    hey trisha….it worked. thanks a lot. check it out…i was right!

    “After the Royals went ahead, 4-3, Bo Jackson prevented the Yankees from tying the game in the seventh by leaping high against the left-field fence and snaring Jack Clark’s fly ball, preventing it from clearing the fence”

    that was from the new york times, murray chass wrote the recap.


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