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Another young guy steals the show in Yankees camp

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Feb 28, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Before the spring schedule started, it was Andrew Brackman who seemed to grab the attention in Yankees camp with his improved command and impressive bullpens. When the spring schedule started, it was Dellin Betances who stole the show with a three-strikeout inning in the second game. Today it was Manny Banuelos who generated some high praise from his teammates and manager, rolling through three big league hitters in a 1-2-3 inning.

“That’s what they want and I did it,” Banuelos said.

The curveball was a dominant pitch this afternoon — “That was breaking really, really good,” Banuelos said — and he used it for two strikeouts, but Banuelos also generated a ground out with his changeup, and his fastball was sitting at 93 mph.

It’s easy to see why the Yankees are excited about their Killer Bs, and it’s easy to understand why some on the outside the organization want to push those three to New York, but the Yankees aren’t going to rush. Just enjoy this for what it is: A small window into the future, and an early indication that the new Big Three just might live up to the hype.

“If they want to send me to Trenton, it’s OK, I just want to try to move up quickly,” Banuelos said. “… I just want to show all the things I can do. I want to show them I can do the work. I can do my job.”

Here’s Banuelos speaking after today’s game.

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And here are a few late-night links:

• Brian Cashman told Wally Matthews that the Yankees aren’t engaged in any trade talks. They specifically are not in talks for Francisco Liriano.

• Matt Eddy says the Yankees released Andy Sisco and then re-signed him, which sort of explains the conflicting reports about the big lefty. Sisco is certainly still in camp, and I guess that’s all that matters.

• Apparently Javier Vazquez’s fastball is at 88 mph for the Marlins. As the Yankees know, that’s actually not the worst-case scenario with him (hat tip to MLBTradeRumors).

• Speaking of former Yankees pitchers: Rule 5 pick Lance Pendleton threw a scoreless inning in an otherwise horribly pitched game for the Astros. It was Houston’s spring opener. George Kontos has not pitched in a game for the Padres, but he apparently made a solid impression in the early days of camp.

• If you want to delve into the mind of Phil Coke, here ya go. Fair warning, the mind of Phil Coke is a very random place to be.

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160 Responses to “Another young guy steals the show in Yankees camp”

  1. LGY February 28th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    Too many people seriously underrate Liriano here.

  2. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    QFT

  3. Against All Odds February 28th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    # LGY February 28th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    Too many people seriously underrate Liriano here.

    ———————————–

    Has to do with the injury concern than anything else

  4. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Sisco certainly did nothing to hurt himself with 1.2 innings of shutout ball. Is his contract a straight minor league deal or does he have an out if he isn’t added to the 25 man roster, Chad?

  5. LGY February 28th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Is the Jerkface your name suits you dig a daily occurence now?

    If you are going to he snarky at least have some originality people!

    Maybe Face should change his name to Mr Nice Guy, so we can get some new material here. Your name definitely does not suit you stuff.

  6. Chad Jennings February 28th, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Not sure GB. I would guess he has an opt out at some point, but I doubt it’s at the end of ST.

  7. tyanksfan36 February 28th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Just got 90% confirmation that I am going to Melbourne to see the Yankees @ Nationals next saturday. Its going to be over 4 hours in driving round trip but I’m hoping that Bryce Harper plays to make it worth the drive.

  8. BD (Boston Dave) February 28th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    From now on, in order to call Banuelos “ManBan”, you must be wearing a pink Yankees hat.

    On that note, nice to see Manny get off to a good start.

  9. Tom in N.J. February 28th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    I for one am shocked that somebody named jerkface is kind of jerk-ish to people!

  10. LGY February 28th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    Lirianos biggest injury was TJS.

    How many pitchers have that nowadays??

    IIRC JJ had TJ and has had probelems with health but people fawn over him willing to trade guys like Montero and or killer Bs!

  11. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    Thanks for the response, Chad. He’d certainly be a lot of help on the front 3 of any roundball games.l Anybody that makes Brackman and Betances look like 98 pound weaklings is the guy to have in a baseball brawl. He looks like he’s bigger than the great Ben davidson.

  12. BD (Boston Dave) February 28th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    LGY,

    exactamundo!

  13. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    It’s not like people don’t want Liriano…they don’t want the risk and possible talent cost combined….not for just 2 years

  14. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Maybe Face should change his name to Mr Nice Guy

    NiceFace

  15. Against All Odds February 28th, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    # LGY February 28th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    Lirianos biggest injury was TJS.

    How many pitchers have that nowadays??

    IIRC JJ had TJ and has had probelems with health but people fawn over him willing to trade guys like Montero and or killer Bs!

    ———————————————

    I understand that but I just get the feeling that the Twins maybe looking to cash in a Liriano.

  16. BD (Boston Dave) February 28th, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    Liriano had a .331 BABIP last season which is pretty high. As that is quite possibly just bad luck, he stands to do even better than last season if he simply pitches as well as he did last season.

    He’s an injury risk and some suggest he tired at the end of the season, but he’s a legit #1 or 2 starter IMO and he’s just 27.

  17. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    I would trade any prospect not named Montero, banuelos, or Betances for Liriano.

  18. LGY February 28th, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    Half the people on this blog are jerkfaces or jerkladies.

    Maybe all.

  19. BD (Boston Dave) February 28th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Against all Odds,

    not a bad point…

    but I’m sure he’d have to pass all medicals.

    Plus, because he’s considered a mild “injury risk”, his cost is lower.

    If he didn’t carry any risk at all, he’s command an elite prospect in return.

  20. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    BD, You’ll likely be wearing a pink Yankee hat before I ever do.

    Liriano was 3rd in mlb in FIP. That about sums it up.

  21. PhiltheThrill February 28th, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    be nice to each other, please.

  22. Tom in N.J. February 28th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    What’s not to like about Liriano?

    He’s a 27 y/o LHP, keeps the ball in the park, Mid-3 ERA, almost 10 ks per 9. He’s good

  23. Against All Odds February 28th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    # BD (Boston Dave) February 28th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Against all Odds,

    not a bad point…

    but I’m sure he’d have to pass all medicals.

    Plus, because he’s considered a mild “injury risk”, his cost is lower.

    If he didn’t carry any risk at all, he’s command an elite prospect in return.

    ——————————————————–

    Very well said I didn’t think about it that way before.

  24. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Smith is going to ask for the best talent in the system and a lot of ‘em. He won’t get it and settle for a Mets type deal.

  25. BD (Boston Dave) February 28th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    “Liriano was 3rd in mlb in FIP. That about sums it up.”

    ——

    case closed :)

  26. BD (Boston Dave) February 28th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    GB7,

    Im sure you’re right.

    But in earlier threads people were debating whether they’d trade Joba for Liriano.

    Liriano’s valuation on this board is all over the place. If Garcia and Nova can pitch well, the Yanks don’t need to deal top prospects for pitching at all. By the time they’d need it, the youngsters might be ready.

    But if Liriano can be had without giving up one of the Yanks top handful of prospects, you have to go for it.

  27. blake February 28th, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    However untouchable Montero is….Baneulos should be at that same level if not more so because he’s the only legit lefty in the system right now.

    I don’t think folks are underrating Liriano as much as they are wondering what the price would be and why the Twins would deal him now. If I could get him without including any of the top 4 guys (Montero, Betances, Banuelos, Sanchez) then I think you have to consider it if his medicais are ok. I think Liriano would make the Yankees the best team in baseball if he were healthy….

  28. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Good. The last thing they need is a trade right now.

  29. LGY February 28th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    “.not for just 2 years”

    ——-

    2 years is a pretty long time in baseball. This is not just a few month deal for Cliff Lee. You are talking about hopefully over 400 innings + playoff runs.

    And it is not like the Yankees don’t have the cash to pay him when he is a FA. They Yankees would gain first hand knowledge of his ability, medicals, personality, how he handles NY, etc to make an informed decision over whether to extend him long term.

  30. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    Liriano has never pitched 200 innings in a season, so I don’t think the top prospects should be handed over for him if they were to trade.

  31. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    “What’s not to like about Liriano?”

    His fragility.

  32. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) February 28th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
    GB7,

    Im sure you’re right.

    But in earlier threads people were debating whether they’d trade Joba for Liriano.

    Liriano’s valuation on this board is all over the place. If Garcia and Nova can pitch well, the Yanks don’t need to deal top prospects for pitching at all. By the time they’d need it, the youngsters might be ready.

    But if Liriano can be had without giving up one of the Yanks top handful of prospects, you have to go for it.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It’s not who, but, how many of them. Smith has given players away for next to nothing, but, for whatever his reason, prefers playing reach-around with the Yankees. Smith and Seattle’s Jack Zany have both tried that and got stuck with lessor talent. The Greinke deal was close to that. Nothing special and the best of them has two strikes on him with drug charges.

  33. m February 28th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    How about Sweetface? :)

  34. blake February 28th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    If the Twins aren’t getting top prospects then why deal him now…..unless he has asked for a trade or something behind closed doors.

  35. BD (Boston Dave) February 28th, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    GB7,

    No doubt, but Santana and Lee were Cy Young winners and considered among the top 2-3 pitchers in the game at the time.

    At least with Liriano, the Yanks shouldn’t need to part with nearly as much.

    But sure, Smith will try for the moon and stars. If he changes his mind, the Yanks should be ready.

  36. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 28th, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    So why would Liriano be available anyway? It’s not like Minnesota can’t use more pitching, like everyone else.

    Something doesn’t smell right here.

    Jmo.

  37. m February 28th, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    Didn’t Liriano pitch 190 innings last season.

  38. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    If the Twins aren’t getting top prospects then why deal him now…..unless he has asked for a trade or something behind closed doors.

    Exactly, the Yankees probably won’t trade for Liriano unless he really is a clubhouse cancer who is likely to be injured this season and the twins dump him for cheap.

    I really don’t see the Yankees trading Montero or the B’s for him and that is probably what it would take.

  39. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 28th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    I nominate kinder-gentler-face.

  40. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    It’s like people talking Hernandez or Johnson deals insist starting with Montero and Hughes and adding on. Not sure what that accomplishes since swapping an extremely good starter for a very good starter gains nothing when you’re already short pitchers. Could those thre pitchers be great? sure, but, I’ll hold off on the “great” until I see it for more than 2 or 3 years.

  41. blake February 28th, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    It doesn’t add up to me either unless he is making waves in the clubhouse , has requested a trade, or they know something health related that we don’t…..otherwise a contending team doesn’t shop their best pitcher in ST.

  42. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Didn’t Liriano pitch 190 innings last season.

    190 is less than 200! He is injury prone and doesn’t have a history of pitching 200+ innings. He came back from injury in 08, threw 190 innings between the majors and minors, then only 136 in 09.

    Theres too much risk. Atleast Greinke threw 200+ innings the last 3 seasons in the majors, 220 the last 2.

  43. LGY February 28th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    Liriano also pitched in winter ball prior to 2010 to get more innings.

    I think he actually pitched about 40-50 innings over the winter.

  44. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    Why is everyone even discussing this anymore. Is it because of pure boredom?

    Cash said that he is not looking into a trade with Liriano. At this point I believe what Cash says.

    He has been an open book all off-season, spewing out whatever comes to his head. No reason for him now to be lying.

  45. m February 28th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    No sense talk about Greinke. It’s clear from his comments that he would have had a rough time here.

  46. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Liriano also pitched in winter ball prior to 2010 to get more innings.

    I wouldn’t doubt that he could throw 200 innings. Its not a pitch count thing like Hughes/Joba rules. But he doesn’t have the history of doing it at the major league level.

  47. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    No sense talk about Greinke. It’s clear from his comments that he would have had a rough time here.

    its fair game, he was a potential trade target, and while I didn’t think he was worth Montero either, he was at least a better bet health wise. Not mental health I guess :)

  48. LGY February 28th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    The Utah Jazz are a borderline playoff team and just traded their best player who was 2 years away from FA like Liriano.

    Maybe the Twins just want to cash in now on him. Maybe they know they can’t resign him and particularly like some of the Yankee prospects. Maybe they are just scared of him getting injured and then them getting absolutely nothing for him and don’t want to take that risk.

    Who knows?

    As long as he passes a physical I wouldn’t think Minny is trying to get one over on the Yanks.

  49. Betsy February 28th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    NO way I’m trading anything of value for a guy that the Twins shouldn’t even be thinking of trading.

  50. ron February 28th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Liriano just had shoulder stiffness last week.

    Major red flag.

    Imo the twins are going to try to trade him very soon because they are concerned he will break down.

    If this recent stiffness did not happen,i would give up something for him,probably nova & maybe joba but no way now.

  51. m February 28th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    LGY,

    I thought it could be that they were trying to mitigate any risk. Sell high so to speak.

  52. LGY February 28th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    General Managers do dumb things all the time.

    Maybe Bill Smith is just really dumb.

    Another basketball example. The Celtics just traded Kendrick Perkins. Their main inside presence and a guy who gave them a huge advantage over the Heat.

    The Celtics over thought that trade. GM’s sometimes try to be too smart for their own good in attempts to improve their team.

  53. Betsy February 28th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Felix is a great starter, much better than anyone the Yankees would include in a deal..

  54. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    Carig on Mark Prior’s game today.

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....um=twitter

  55. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    We should probably see if Randy can get a Cliburn take on this, maybe Liriano is hard to deal with and thats why they are going to dump him like Garza.

  56. G. Love February 28th, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    If the Twins come to the Yankees and ask for Joba, Warren and Romine for Liriano, you do it.
    You’d be trading a middle reliever (in the Yankees eyes), a back end starter and a catcher who may be blocked here for a great young lefthander.

    That said, Liriano is not enough of a sure thing to include Montero, Betances, Banuelos or Sanchez based on the consensus of them. When prospects have that kind of buzz you either keep them or you trade them for guys like Felix or Lee if they hit the market.

    Now we all know our buddy in Minny will not take anything less than our top young guys, so this is all moot. I don’t see a deal happening unless the Twins are terrified of keeping him because of some clubhouse or health related issue. If there is an issue like that, then the price drops in what we offer.

    I say start the season and see what we have. I have a strange feeling the GM in Seattle is going to come calling to the Bronx this season after seeing how the young guys are projecting. I know it’s nuts, but I would not be surprised to see Felix in pinstripes this year. I think he’s going to want out of a bad situation/team and the Seattle GM is going to want to raid the Yankees system for him.

  57. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    If we trade for Felix I hope it can include Ichiro as well. The Yankees just aren’t the same without a japanese player.

  58. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    “General Managers do dumb things all the time.

    Maybe Bill Smith is just really dumb.”

    You know how Bill Smith is likely to be dumb? By asking for waaaaaaaaaaaay too much.

  59. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    You know how Bill Smith is likely to be dumb? By asking for waaaaaaaaaaaay too much.

    From the yankees and red sox yeah. He is not good. Also he traded one of the better catching prospects in the game who had success at the majors for a middle reliever.

  60. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    “The Utah Jazz are a borderline playoff team and just traded their best player who was 2 years away from FA like Liriano.”

    He just got into a fight that caused their long standing coach and near great player to quit. It’s sui generis.

  61. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    Jerkface

    Yes, I meant the Yankees. (I don’t care about the RS…)

  62. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    93 from a lefty is mighty impressive.

  63. LGY February 28th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    “He just got into a fight that caused their long standing coach and near great player to quit. It’s sui generis.”

    ————–

    They said one of the main reasons they traded him is because they didn’t want to risk losing him for nothing in the case of a lockout next season. And they were confident he would not re-sign in Utah so they wanted a good package for him.

    There could be some similarities here depending on the motivations of Bill Smith.

  64. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    i have always heard good things about kontos, too bad yanks couldn’t protect him. wish him the best.

  65. Against All Odds February 28th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    # UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    Why is everyone even discussing this anymore. Is it because of pure boredom?

    Cash said that he is not looking into a trade with Liriano. At this point I believe what Cash says.

    He has been an open book all off-season, spewing out whatever comes to his head. No reason for him now to be lying.

    ———————————————

    I thought the book on Cashman is when he gives short quick answers that means something is going down. Ex: Yankees are not in on Tex, Cosby is the starting CF, etc.

  66. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    LGY

    I’m sure that factored into to it, but Sloan, who was a very tough guy as a player, left a job at mid-season that he had held for 20 years because he was fed up with Williams. So, imo, actions speak louder (or at least as loud) as words.

  67. Betsy February 28th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    GL, no matter how great Felix is, I wouldn’t ravage the system for him…….I do think it’s moot because they have no reason to trade him.

  68. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    If we trade for Felix I hope it can include Ichiro as well. The Yankees just aren’t the same without a japanese player.
    ———
    u meant Hideki, cuz they do have Igawa waiting in the dark wings and eager to fly.

  69. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 28th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    G love, I WISH it were true, the possibility of Felix in pinstripes.

    But after a 100-loss season, in a season where they were expecting to contend, means to me that Jack Z doesn’t have the cred or standing to trade away the best pitcher in baseball and their top draw (with Ichiro).

    Plus, Compass Rosy wouldn’t hear of it. She’d box Jack about the ears if he even mentions it.

  70. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    If they trade Felix, they probably need (or should get) young established veterans who still have some arb years left.

  71. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    i simply don’t see felix being available, unless someone ‘wows’ kojak with an overwhelming package.

  72. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    a couple of rib eye steaks and a good filet mignon might do though.

  73. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 28th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    I watched Jerry Sloan as a player and then followed him as a coach.

    Since I don’t follow the game much anymore (not until Dolan follows Isiah out of town), I don’t know why Sloan left.

    But it’s basketball’s loss.

  74. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    u meant Hideki, cuz they do have Igawa waiting in the dark wings and eager to fly.

    Igawa isn’t on the team. I don’t care about the number of japanese players in scranton :)

  75. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    After careful consideration I have changed my thinking a bit and come to this conclusion.

    I think the Yankees have enough to win it all this year. They have a great hitting team and a ridiculously good bullpen.

    I think Sabathia, Hughes, Burnett, Nova and Garcia/Colon are good enough to win with. With Mitre, Brackman, Noesi, Phelps and Warren and the ability to make a deal mid-season if they need to I am no longer worried about the rotation.

    I would not trade Montero, Banuelos, Brackman or Betances. I think you need to keep those players at this point and see what their potential is. There is enough evidence to do so especially given the cost control benefits.

  76. hman23 February 28th, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    LGY -

    The Perkins trade is a tough one to call either way, but I disagree it was dumb. Perkins is going to be a FA after this year. He turned down a four year extension, and for the money he apparently is seeking, Celtics knew they probably would not sign him, and rightfully may have been wary to give a four or five year deal at that money for a guy coming off knee surgery.

    So, rather than have him walk, they got something for him. Green is a very good perimeter player who can spell Allen and Pierce, and take some of the defense work off their shoulders come playoff time. Granted, Krstic is a huge downgrade from Perkins on the defensive end, but the Celtics were 33-10 without Perkins.

    Now, Perkins is going to be out for 3-4 weeks with a knee injury.

  77. LGY February 28th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    WCYF

    Really going out on a limb there buddy.

    Must have taken quite a bit of careful consideration to come the conclusion that the Yanks are contenders.

  78. LGY February 28th, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    hman,

    Perkins value is moreso in the playoffs than in the regular season. It is going to really hurt them not to have that interior presence come playoff time.

    Green is also an RFA at the end of this season, so it is not like he will come cheap. You don’t shake up a crucial piece of your roster, especially your playoff roster, when you have maybe the best team in the NBA. Boston should not be thinking about the future right now. Just winning a championship in 2011.

  79. G. Love February 28th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    I’m just guessing Felix may get dealt. There’s zero indication that he’s available.

    The only thing I do know is that Jack Z screwed up and missed on Montero and he may be compelled to get a 2nd chance to get him. The only way he could get him is with Felix.

    I don’t think Felix is going to be content to win Cy Young’s on a losing team. The same way the NBA players seem to force their ways out of situations they don’t like, I can see him attempt to do it if he’s fed up with the team.

    Every season players everyone says would never be available get dealt.

    It’s why I’d hold onto all our chips since you never know who is going to be on the market in a few months.

    Liriano would be a huge upgrade to the rotation, but there’s enough reasons to be concerned that you don’t trade your top guys for him.

    Save the top guys for that one player who will hit the market this year that no one is event considering.

    And for the record, that player is NOT Johan Santana despite the posters in here who day after day act as if A-the Mets are going to trade him and B-He’s worth trading anything good for at this point.

  80. Betsy February 28th, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    GLove, but Felix didn’t have to re-sign there, so clearly he was fine with being on a team that wouldn’t necessarily be a consistent contender.He could try to force a trade, but I don’t think that would work. If he were really unhappy, perhaps Seattle would try and accomodate him.

    I’m fine with saving big chips for him in case, but then I wouldn’t trade Betances or Banuelos for anyone except Felix. Just know that Phil Hughes would have to go in that deal – there’s no doubt about it. I really would hesitate to deal Montero……I probably wouldn’t, but I know Seattle would insist on it.

  81. Betsy February 28th, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    But I totally agree about Santana – the talk about him being traded here is from the Twilight Zone

  82. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    The only thing I do know is that Jack Z screwed up and missed on Montero and he may be compelled to get a 2nd chance to get him. The only way he could get him is with Felix.

    They are going to regret taking Smoak over Montero. Smoak is a switch hitter that can’t switch hit and has been overmatched at the major league level.

  83. Dionysius Thelxinoe February 28th, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    Niceface, GOING to regret taking Smoak over Montero?

    They may regret it already.

  84. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    I once posted that the first line of Bill Smith’s obit will be that he turned down Phil Hughes.

  85. Jerkface March 1st, 2011 at 12:03 am

    I once posted that the first line of Bill Smith’s obit will be that he turned down Phil Hughes.

    For Carlos Gomez! Who he turned into JJ hardy, who he turned into a fat lot of nothing.

    Truly a genius at work.

  86. G. Love March 1st, 2011 at 12:06 am

    I’d trade Hughes for Felix. If trading Hughes allowed the Yankees to keep Montero out of the deal, then I’d really do it.

    For example, if Seattle said they’d take Hughes, Gary Sanchez, Betances OR Banuelos as the top 3 pieces in a Felix deal I think I do it.

    Again, it’s all speculation and it may not be Felix who shakes loose this season.

    It could be Kershaw or Billingsley. It could be Danks. It could be anyone.

    My point is that we have no idea who might become available so unless you are ready to give up real pieces for Liriano, it’s better to wait it out and see what happens in a couple of months.

    I’d feel better adding Liriano to our rotation, but not at the cost of Montero, Banuelos, Betances or Sanchez. Without one of those 4, I doubt the Twins would make the deal.

  87. West Coast Yankee Fan March 1st, 2011 at 12:29 am

    LGY February 28th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    WCYF – Really going out on a limb there buddy. Must have taken quite a bit of careful consideration to come the conclusion that the Yanks are contenders.

    **************

    Is that all I said? Looks like a thoughtful reasoned post to me on more than a few issues than the one you mentioned. I do understand anything remotely intelligent is intimidating to you. Best wishes!

  88. Vineyard Yankee March 1st, 2011 at 12:32 am

    All of these trade proposals are great except the common denominator in Liriano and Santana are their shoulder issues. Santana may not pitch at all this year and is owed $ 100 mil. approx. for the next four years. Bill Smith will demand a kings ransom for Liriano despite his shoulder issues because he knows the Yankees need a quality 4 and or 5 for the rotation.

    Cashman should tell Smith and Alderson (if he even calls) to pound salt and stick with the guys he drafted that are about to bear fruit.

  89. 4 NYY March 1st, 2011 at 12:33 am

    Keep what we have for now.

  90. Jerkface March 1st, 2011 at 12:34 am

    Article linked from RAB: http://www.baseballprospectus......leid=13024

    Talks about the Twins struggles with Liriano.

  91. m March 1st, 2011 at 12:50 am

    So the worst he did was say he was okay when he wasn’t?

  92. Jerkface March 1st, 2011 at 12:59 am

    Presumably theres more in the article. But I’m not a member.

  93. Rich in NJ March 1st, 2011 at 1:18 am

    He’s an accident waiting to happen.

  94. CompassRosy March 1st, 2011 at 1:35 am

    I have a strange feeling the GM in Seattle is going to come calling to the Bronx this season after seeing how the young guys are projecting. I know it’s nuts, but I would not be surprised to see Felix in pinstripes this year. I think he’s going to want out of a bad situation/team and the Seattle GM is going to want to raid the Yankees system for him.

    I agree with you, GL. It IS nuts. :)
    M’s are clearly rebuilding and Felix is their foundation.

    Plus, Compass Rosy wouldn’t hear of it. She’d box Jack about the ears if he even mentions it.

    You got that right, DT!

    They are going to regret taking Smoak over Montero. Smoak is a switch hitter that can’t switch hit and has been overmatched at the major league level.

    I think I’ll give him a few more than 100 games in majors before counting regrets or making judgments ;)

  95. tyanksfan36 March 1st, 2011 at 2:01 am

    Compassrosy

    Thank goodness you showed up to straighten out all the crazies with their talks of the Mariners even thinking of trading Felix.

    Also, saw a blurb about Nick Franklin in the new issue of Baseball America. Has he played any is spring training? It said he got an invite. I hope he stays healthy and productive in 2011.

  96. CompassRosy March 1st, 2011 at 2:39 am

    tyanks ~

    I haven’t heard too much about Nick since camp started, but I thought of you when I saw he was listed in BA’s top 100. And, in case you missed it, there was a nice article him on MLB.com earlier in February….

    http://tinyurl.com/6gh4y53

    You go, Nick!

    :)

  97. JK March 1st, 2011 at 3:28 am

    Min needs 2B & SS prospects

    Some combination of 2/4 pitchers… Nova, Phelps, Warren, Noesi + Nunez + Adams or Joseph

    Could probably get the job done for Liriano

  98. joeman March 1st, 2011 at 5:43 am

    It’s better to be Safety Conscious than Unsafe and Unconscious

  99. Doreen March 1st, 2011 at 6:33 am

    Good morning, morning people. :)

    Gotta stick up for WCYF in this case. He didn’t say he thought the Yankees would be contenders; he said he now believes the Yankees can win it all. Significant difference.

    G.Love -

    Your proposal of Joba, Warren, Romine for Liriano is probably the best I’ve seen, if one wants to do a deal for Liriano at all. For one, it’s definite (not open ended, i.e., Joba plus 2 guys). I prefer the Yankees not trade for Liriano because of the uncertainty concerning his health. I had never heard before now that he was a question mark personality-wise, so I’m not going to pay a lot of attention to that, though it does raise eyebrows. I do think the Yankees should go with what they have now and see where they’re at at the trade deadline. It is entirely possible something better than Liriano turns up available at that time. And if Joba has turned a corner here, he could get you more than he can now. (Not that I want to see Joba go, but operating under the premise that, in reality, everyone but a very select few are available in the right deal.)

    ****

    One drawback to the new car. My old car had XM radio; this one is Sirius. Which means, in order to get the MLB station (which is in a package called “The Best of XM”), I will have to pay a premium. I’m thinking about calling them and trying to get it thrown in, since I’d been an XM subscriber since 2005, and didn’t choose to leave. Worth a shot, right?

    I’m getting tired of everything costing “just a little more.” :?

    ****

    We are going to be in Orlando early in April and looked to see if the Tampa Yankees were going to be playing while we were there. There is one night, April 8th, but there is no little “T” box for tickets on the date. Does that mean they are sold out?

  100. tyanksfan36 March 1st, 2011 at 6:47 am

    Doreen

    The Tampa Yankees games will never sell out. That’s opening night, its cheaper to get the tickets at the stadium. Pay the 4 dollars for general admission and just sit wherever you want. They charge 6.50 for reserved seating but in my experience, they’ve never monitored tickets.

  101. Doreen March 1st, 2011 at 6:56 am

    tyanksfan36 -

    Thanks for that information! It’s interesting that they don’t give you the option to purchase ahead of time, though. Or maybe they’re just not set up to do so yet? Whatever. :)

  102. tyanksfan36 March 1st, 2011 at 7:00 am

    Oh and Good Morning Morning people,

    I have an exam in my ESE course, I have been really lazy lately and didn’t get to studying until late last night. But I feel pretty confident ill do well.

  103. tyanksfan36 March 1st, 2011 at 7:04 am

    I believe they do online ticketing but like you said, its probably not set up yet.

    I am just as excited to see who makes the ML team as I am to see how the minor leagues shake out to see who ends where.

  104. blake March 1st, 2011 at 7:06 am

    I would do Joba, Warren, and Romine Liriano but that’s getting close to a max bid……

    I also have said many times that I wouldn’t be shocked if Felix is made available this summer…not predicting it or anything just wouldn’t be shocked. The Mariners might lose 100 games in 2011 and aren’t particulary close to competing.

  105. Doreen March 1st, 2011 at 7:18 am

    tyanksfan36 -

    Good luck on your exam. :)

    I know what you mean about how it shakes out down to the minor league systems. I’m starting to get the feeling that if I want to see Betances and Banuelos in Trenton, I better get there in April. :)

  106. tyanksfan36 March 1st, 2011 at 7:26 am

    Doreen

    Exactly, I didn’t start going to TY games until june, I apparently went 3 days before Brackman started and would have gone to see him but scheduling didn’t work out, by the time I could go regularly he had already been promotion. Luckily I was able to see Betances and Banuelos a few times before they moved up. Hopefully you get a good look at them before they get promoted.

  107. Mell March 1st, 2011 at 7:39 am

    tyanks:

    Best of luck on the exam

    Blake:

    Given that the Twins reason for moving Liriano would be largely financial, I’d guess Chamberlain, who is already in his arb years, won’t be terribly high on their list. I think something more like Nova (and his 6 years of control), Nunez (Alexi Casilla currently occupies SS in Minnesota) and Warren might be more in line with what they’re looking for.

  108. blake March 1st, 2011 at 7:48 am

    Mell,

    You’re probably right. I would probably do that deal as well but wouldn’t like it as much….I would rather move Joba than Nova at this point. I liked how Joba threw the ball the other day but if that’s the role they are going to use him in then Nova is more valuable if for no other reason than he can start.

  109. upstate kate March 1st, 2011 at 7:48 am

    good morning all
    good luck Tyanks!

  110. Ys Guy March 1st, 2011 at 7:52 am

    liriano is clearly the twin’s best pitcher and the twins are now around $120M in payroll, so why, when they are loaded to ‘go for it’ would they trade thier best pitcher? my belief is that they are convinced he is a big injury risk and want to move him before he gets injured again.

    i would not trade for him now unless it was a deal you cant refuse, which it wont be.

    iand just give up on felix, he isnt going anywhere.

  111. MTU March 1st, 2011 at 7:54 am

    Blake-

    The Liriano speculation is kind of pointless. Low probability of happening.

    And if it were to happen you’d have to wonder about why.

    Health ? Bad demeanor ? Both ?

    I think we stick with what we’ve got for now. Chance to evaluate.

    Let’s see what the TD brings our way.

    Nova is looking exceptionally good for this early in ST. 95+ heat, and a sharp breaking ball. Locating well.

    I think the kid may be under rated. We’ll see.

  112. blake March 1st, 2011 at 7:56 am

    Y’s,

    I don’t know either unless he’s causing problems in the clubhouse…..for all we know he could have requested a trade behind closed doors.

    Also, don’t be so sure about Felix…..stranger things have happened. It may not ever happen but its certainly possible that either party in that deal decide its time for a change (Felix becomming tired of losing or the Ms deciding to rebuild )

  113. Tom in N.J. March 1st, 2011 at 7:57 am

    Unless Felix demands a trade, I don’t see the M’s trading him.

  114. blake March 1st, 2011 at 7:57 am

    MTU,

    fair enough…I don’t disagree.

  115. Ys Guy March 1st, 2011 at 7:59 am

    “Unless Felix demands a trade, I don’t see the M’s trading him”

    i say he doesnt even get traded then unless he pulls a randy johnson.

  116. Ys Guy March 1st, 2011 at 8:02 am

    anything is possible but the amount of time spent on this blog speculating about a trade for felix is way out of proportion to the possibility it it happening. there are at least 25 references a day about trading for felix, it’s like he’s in his walk year or something.

  117. blake March 1st, 2011 at 8:05 am

    The amount of time spent on everything on this blog is out of proportion to everything….its just the way it is.

  118. Fran the original March 1st, 2011 at 8:07 am

    Good morning all.

    Probably too late, but good luck Tyanks. Hope you do/did well on your exam.

    I too have questions about why Liriano would be available. Not sure I would make a trade for him unless it was a real steal.

  119. Rich in NJ March 1st, 2011 at 8:07 am

    I hope the Mariners keep Felix.

  120. Mike Ri March 1st, 2011 at 8:12 am

    Bob Nightengale of USA Today told Jim Bowden of MLB Network Radio on Monday that he thinks it’s possible Francisco Liriano will be traded to the Yankees sometime in the next two weeks.
    We’ve heard discussion about the Twins possibly trading Liriano from a variety of sources, so it appears this rumor has legs. The Yankees have an obvious need in their rotation, but the Twins would be trading away the closest thing they have to an ace at the moment. According to Nightengale, the Twins would acquire either Ivan Nova or Joba Chamberlain, in addition to other pieces. Stay tuned, because it sounds like things are about to get very interesting.
    ———————
    just in case someone here missed it

  121. Betsy March 1st, 2011 at 8:12 am

    GLove, definitely you give up Phil over Montero, but the M’s would demand both.

  122. blake March 1st, 2011 at 8:13 am

    Rich,

    That would be fine. The Mariners aren’t a threat at the moment….I would love for the Yankees to have him but probably not at the current pricing. I think there is a good chance the Yankees may not need starting pitching by 2012.

  123. MTU March 1st, 2011 at 8:13 am

    I hope Montero hits 25 dingers.

    I hope the old Joba returns.

    I hope Nova goes SuperNova.

    I hope Colon or Garcia exceed expectations.

    I hope GGBG hits .300+ with 50 steals, and OBP’s .390.

    I hope Grandy hits 35 dingers and hits .270

    I hope Alex has a monster season.

    I hope Tex and Jeter return to form.

    I hope AJ wins 14+ games.

    Lot’s of hopes there but I’m hopeful.

    :)

  124. Betsy March 1st, 2011 at 8:14 am

    MTU, I agree it’s pointless to speculate about Liriano, Felix or whomever, but we’re also talking one ST outing for Nova.

  125. blake March 1st, 2011 at 8:15 am

    I wouldn’t give up Hughes over Montero. Felix only would make the Yanks rotation significantly better if he were added to what they already have. Trading Hughes for Felix leaves you with a better 1-2 but the same issue 3-5.

  126. MTU March 1st, 2011 at 8:17 am

    Betsy-

    That’s true but the stuff looks good. It should only improve from there during the spring.

    How many young guys can consistently throw easy 95+ gas ?

    I think he was tired last season. He threw a lot of innings for a young guy.

    The funny thing is we almost lost him in the Rule 5. I think we’re lucky we got him back.

    ;)

  127. Betsy March 1st, 2011 at 8:20 am

    Blake, it would actually be more for the future. I’m sure Betances and Banuelos will be in the rotation and their ceiling is higher than Phil’s. You don’t let Phil stand in the way of obtaining Felix…..You’d have CC, Felix, AJ, maybe Nova (depending on how he does this year) and probably one of Betances or Banuelos. It works pretty well, actually. Even if they don’t get Felix, someone is going to have to be tradede eventually

  128. Betsy March 1st, 2011 at 8:23 am

    MTU, he doesn’t throw that hard consistently……..He also has to get through a whole year and that’s not easy (see Hughes, Phil and other young pitchers). It’s a long, grueling year; teams will scout him. Early on, like Phil, he’ll be good, but how will he adjust to teams adjusting to him? I think he’ll probably be a decent #5 starter, but unless you think he’s really an exceptional stud, asking for more than that is overreaching…..IMO

  129. MTU March 1st, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Cashman’s philosophy:

    “I will move ANY player in the right deal”.

    ;)

  130. Rich in NJ March 1st, 2011 at 8:26 am

    blake

    It’s almost certainly a minority opinion, but I would like to see teams keep their stars. Obviously, that’s not always going to happen, and if a healthy, big-time player in their 20s becomes available, the Yankees are going to make a major offer, as they should. It’s the pursuit of older players and/or those with questionable health that concerns me.

  131. Doreen March 1st, 2011 at 8:26 am

    MTU -

    Fortunately, Cashman is a discerning consumer. :)

  132. Rich in NJ March 1st, 2011 at 8:26 am

    You’d think the Mariners would have to demand Hughes in any deal.

  133. MTU March 1st, 2011 at 8:27 am

    Betsy-

    That’s the thing. He does throw hard consistenly.

    Take note of the fact that Nardi was even impressed.

    Who knows the kid better ?

    I agree about development. It’s a long season and both sides need to adjust. He has much to learn. I like his mound presence and work ethic. The raw talent appears to be there.

    IMO he looks way better than a numero cinco.

    We shall see.

    :)

  134. Betsy March 1st, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Sort of Doreen, but he was willing to include Montero for a Lee rental…………

  135. MTU March 1st, 2011 at 8:29 am

    Doreen-

    Agreed. I was just referring to his open-mindedness.

    For him few, if any, are Eliott Ness.

    :)

  136. Betsy March 1st, 2011 at 8:29 am

    So if you throw hard, it means you throw 95 +?

    I don’t think we’re arguing the same thing and I didn’t say he was impressive, but obviously it’s not worth arguing about.

  137. MTU March 1st, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Betsy-

    Wouldn’t you agree that one possible definition of throwing hard is 95+ ?

    There are others of course.

    For example, there is what is called “sneaky fast”. Example would be
    D-Rob.

  138. Betsy March 1st, 2011 at 8:34 am

    I think saying someone “throws hard” can mean a lot of things……..Nova would be a flame thrower if he sat 95 +……..and I’ve never read anything of the sort about it. Not that it matters as he clearly has some pretty good stuff.

  139. MTU March 1st, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Betsy-

    Then let’s just leave it at “he has some pretty good stuff” because I agree with that.

    :)

  140. Rich in NJ March 1st, 2011 at 8:37 am

    Nova has gained velo over the last season or so.

  141. Betsy March 1st, 2011 at 8:37 am

    Anyway, I’m not saying Nova won’t be pretty good this year, but we saw Phil have his struggles so I don’t see why Nova wouldn’t be the same. It’s not up to him in any case to carry the rotation……….We need CC to do his usual, Phil and AJ to improve and a Garcia type to be solid……

  142. Betsy March 1st, 2011 at 8:38 am

    MTU, it’s probably all semantics anyway………92, 93, 94 – doesn’t really matter, I think.

  143. Betsy March 1st, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Well, so far our SP have done well, so now we can see if Phil has improved his change/curve over the off-season

  144. Ys Guy March 1st, 2011 at 8:39 am

    wow the mets are in really bad financial shape. the post reports today that they are working on another huge loan, this time through jp morgan to pay thier operating expenses (yes, player’s salaries) till they can sell part of the team. they have obviously been lying about thier financial stability ever since the madoff thing hit, saying that they have plenty of money to operate the team and that things were fine in met land.

    remamber how they put it out there that they might be interested in selling part of the team if the right offer came along…, turns out they are desparate for that cash and have already passed on the financials from 12 possible partners so mlb can start doing thier due diligence immediatly.

    id say the wilpons will be out by next ST if not sooner.

  145. upstate kate March 1st, 2011 at 8:41 am

    I don’t think Cash was willing to trade Montero for a rental. I think Cash’s plans were to sign Lee long term, and had Lee actually come to the Yankees, he might have done just that.

  146. Ys Guy March 1st, 2011 at 8:41 am

    bud has leverage with the mets now that he floated them the $25M and even more as he helps arrange this loan through mlb’s bank, jp morgan. i see bud pushing the wilpons right out the door.

  147. MTU March 1st, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Betsy-

    My POV is the following: Give me a well-located, 92-93 MPH FB with movement over a straight 95, can’t-find-the-plate one anyday.

    ;)

  148. MTU March 1st, 2011 at 8:47 am

    And as a final comment, we all know there is a big difference between “Pitching”, and “Throwing”.

    Power is sexy but it isn’t necessarily needed, or effective.

    :)

  149. blake March 1st, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Rich,

    Im not sure the Ms would demand Hughes. If they did decide to deal Felix then it would most likely be because they had decided to totally rebuild. Hughes is going to get expensive soon and is only under control for 3 more years I think. I think they would ask for players that they can control longer.

  150. Shame Spencer March 1st, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Morning all!.. I see the assassins have failed.

    Before Spring Training started, I sorta assumed we’d only have a chance to see Brackman this year in the bigs. But those other two B’s… dayum lol.

  151. Ys Guy March 1st, 2011 at 8:53 am

    “My POV is the following: Give me a well-located, 92-93 MPH FB with movement over a straight 95, can’t-find-the-plate one anyday.”

    so you must’ve been in favor of the expos moving that erratic randy johnson guy for the polished mark langston.

  152. Fran the original March 1st, 2011 at 8:57 am

    New post- Montero gets second spring start

    :arrow:

  153. MTU March 1st, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Y’s-

    Are we talking finished products, or works in progress. That’s another matter entirely.

    Johnson could locate his heat, eventually. I don’t know Langston. Sorry.

    Nothing against 95+ with location and movement. Best of all possible worlds.

  154. Ys Guy March 1st, 2011 at 9:03 am

    mtu that was my point, that erratic flamethrower might just figure it out. or as in unit’s case, some guy named nolan ryan might point out that if you land on the ball of your foot when pitching, you dont lose the strike zone when your head bounces.

    it usually comes down to trying to figure out what a guy is going to become which is the part that nobody has really figured out yet.

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