The LoHud Yankees Blog

A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News


Spring Training Game 3: Yankees at Tigers

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Feb 28, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

YANKEES
Derek Jeter SS
Robinson Cano 2B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Andruw Jones RF
Russell Martin DH
Francisco Cervelli C
Justin Maxwell LF
Melky Mesa CF

LHP CC Sabathia (21-7, 3.18 in 2010)
Sabathia vs. Tigers

TIGERS
Austin Jackson CF
Ryan Raburn LF
Magglio Ordonez RF
Miguel Cabrera DH
Victor Martinez 1B
Jhonny Peralta SS
Brandon Inge 3B
Scott Sizemore 2B
Alex Avila C

RHP Justin Verlander (18-9, 3.37)
Verlander vs. Yankees

TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m., not televised as far as I know

WEATHER: A few clouds in the sky, but very nice out. Wind blowing pretty hard to center field.

UMPIRES: HP Greg Gibson, 1B Jerry Layne, 2B Mark Wegner, 3B Ed Hickox

ON THE LINE: Not much on the line for CC Sabathia, but Russell Martin will finally test his knee a little bit at game speed, and Mark Prior will make his first appearance as a complete wild card in Yankees camp.

OLD FRIENDS: A steady line of Yankees said hello to Phil Coke just outside the Tigers clubhouse during batting practice. Austin Jackson is also here, though I haven’t seen him. Despite the fact he was a huge prospect, Jackson was still one of the most popular and likable players in the Scranton clubhouse during my last year covering Triple-A.

ALSO PITCHING TODAY: Prior, Pedro Feliciano and Manny Banuelos are the biggest names available in the bullpen. Rule 5 picks Daniel Turpen and Robert Fish also made the trip.

ALSO PITCHING FOR DETROIT: Rick Porcello, Ryan Perry, Daniel Schlereth and Charlie Furbush. Schlereth was part of the Yankees trade for Curtis Granderson, going from Arizona to Detroit in the deal.

TOMORROW’S TRAVELERS TODAY: The Yankees are playing in Bradenton tomorrow. They’re bringing the regular outfielders, while the regular infielders will stay home. Players who will be making the trip: Curtis Granderson, Brett Gardner, Nick Swisher, Jorge Posada, Eduardo Nunez, Ramiro Pena, Doug Bernier, Eric Chavez, Brandon Laird, Kevin Russo, Brad Suttle, Jorge Vazquez, Dan Brewer, Greg Golson, Austin Krum, Justin Maxwell, Melky Mesa, Jordan Parraz, Jose Gil, Kyle Higashioka, Gustavo Molina, Jesus Montero, and Austin Romine.

Pitchers scheduled to make tomorrow’s trip: Brian Anderson, Buddy Carlyle, Steve Garrison, Phil Hughes, Boone Logan, Hector Noesi, David Phelps, Ryan Pope, Dave Robertson, Andy Sisco and Eric Wordekemper. Hughes has the start.

UPDATE, 1:15 p.m.: Scoreless top of the first for the Yankees. Cano drew a walk and Teixeira slapped a clean single to right, but Cano was picked off at second base and Rodriguez flied to center. Here’s Sabathia for his debut.

UPDATE, 1:23 p.m.: Solid first inning for Sabathia. He struck out Jackson looking and got Raburn to pop up along the first-base line. Ordonez singled up the middle before Cabrera grounded to third, where Rodriguez made a little backhanded stop before the throw to first. The stadium radar gun isn’t one — it’s not being displayed anyway — so I’m not sure how hard Sabathia was throwing. I doubt it really matters much at this point.

UPDATE, 1:29 p.m.: Martin’s first plate appearance in a Yankees uniform is a one-out walk in the second inning.

UPDATE, 1:38 p.m.: Martin’s walk and a Cervelli single put two on with one out, but Maxwell went down looking at a nasty breaking ball before Mesa flied to right to end the inning. Still scoreless heading into the bottom of the second.

UPDATE, 1:45 p.m.: That should be it for Sabathia. He allowed a hard-hit, one-out double by Jhonny Peralta before getting a ground out and strikeout to end the inning and strand the runner.

UPDATE, 1:46 p.m.: Here’s Rick Porcello for the Tigers. He’s entering a scoreless game in the top of the third.

UPDATE, 1:55 p.m.: Pedro Feliciano is in for Sabathia. He’ll open against the lefty Alex Avila, then face two right-handers.

UPDATE, 2:05 p.m.: Scoreless inning for Feliciano. He got his one lefty to ground out, and after back-to-back singles, he got Ordonez and Cabrera to end the inning. Still scoreless after three.

UPDATE, 2:09 p.m.: Rodriguez doubles to left-center. He’s trying to fight off Jorge Vazquez for that starting third base job.

UPDATE, 2:20 p.m.: Bases loaded with one out, Maxwell went down looking at a fastball on the outer half, then Mesa flied to left to end it. Still scoreless after three and a half. Here’s Manny Banuelos coming in for the Yankees. Starters are still in the field.

UPDATE, 2:28 p.m.: Good inning for Banuelos, who faced nothing but big leaguers in a 1-2-3 fourth. Looked like a changeup that Victor Martinez rolled to short, Jhonny Peralta swung through a fastball and Brandon Inge looked at a big curveball. Impressive. *By the way, based on Twitter, most seem to think the Peralta strikeout pitch was offspeed. I was typing, looked up at the end of the pitch, thought fastball and was told fastball. I was probably wrong, though. If you’re scoring at home, call it an offspeed pitch.

UPDATE, 2:36 p.m.: Jeter grounded a single through the left side. After a deep fly out by Cano, Teixeira’s doubled to score Jeter and give the Yankees a 1-0 lead in the bottom of the fifth.

UPDATE, 2:39 p.m.: Sharp single up the middle by Andruw Jones has given the Yankees a 2-0 lead. Teixeira scored just ahead of a close play at the plate.

UPDATE, 2:44 p.m.: Prior is in the game, and the clubhouse is opening now. Be back with some notes later.

UPDATE, 2:52 p.m.: Sabathia said the knee felt great today. He was never worried. “After the first bullpen I knew it would be fine,” he said.

 
 

Advertisement

473 Responses to “Spring Training Game 3: Yankees at Tigers”

  1. tampayank February 28th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    ^won’t overreact to CC’s outing

  2. ry81 February 28th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Does anyone know if you can listen live on the radio ?!

  3. Ys Guy February 28th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    beckett was hit by a ball during bp, he’s fine. from pete abe’s blog:

    “Josh Beckett was hit by a ball during batting practice a few minutes ago. He walked off the field escorted by a trainer while rubbing his head. He had been standing in shallow left field.

    More to come as the information becomes available.

    Joe McDonald of ESPN reports that Beckett was hit when BP pitcher Ino Guerrero attempted to hit a shagged ball back to the bucket behind second base.

    UPDATE, 11:14 a.m.: Beckett is OK according to media relations director Pam Ganley. He was hit in the head.

    Rough spring for Beckett, who was hit in the face by a rag ball off the bat of Terry Francona during a drill about 10 days ago.

  4. Mike_Boston February 28th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Haa, right now the tigers broadcast is playing Metallica’s ‘One’…guess it’s their warm up music?

  5. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Nice MLB.Com will be bringing the game on radio. Cool

  6. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    GameDay

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....de=gameday

  7. randy l. February 28th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    old live BP yankee story from one of the participants:

    jack clark was the yankees big free agent signing and came up in his first live BP at bat with neil allen on the mound. allen was new to the yankees and maybe even only a spring training invitee.

    allen was traded to the cardinals for keith hernandez and cardinal fans never forgave him for that and allen eventually asked to be traded. he was traded after a partial year( maybe half a year) and the cardinals went to the world series and jack clark the cardinal captain said no world series share for allen which is not the usual thing done.

    allen called clark and told him the next time he saw him he’d drill him. well , a few years went by and allen found himself in live BP in spring training with the yankees throwing to jack clark . he figured he’d be cut on the spot , but said what the hell, and drilled clark with his best fastball like he had told clark he would.

    allen then walked straight towards the locker room because he thought he’d be in big trouble. billy martin leaning on the cage said ” where are you going, why did you do that?” . allen explained being dissed on the world series check and what he had promised clark.

    all this time clark was crawling around and moaning on the ground. anyway billy said,” ok good , he deserved it. get back out there.”

    billy liked neil from that point on and got a lot out of him during the rhighetti/guidry period.

  8. BBB February 28th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    A line of Yankees greeted Coke, eh? *snicker*

    Can’t wait to hear how Prior’s stuff looks.

  9. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Fanhouse is down for the Deep Six

  10. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Tigers announcers very, very positive on Cano. Best all-around player in AL.

  11. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Has Jeter hit the ball in the air yet?

  12. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Verlander pitching

    Jeter ground out

    Cano walk

    Teixeira single

    Cano pick off attempting to steal third

    Rodriguez flyout to center

  13. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Dice K give one up to Kubel. Glad to see the Sux have really fixed their pitching problems this off season. haha

  14. Ys Guy February 28th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    wcyf, why do you have to be such a freaking downer?

  15. m February 28th, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    Has Jeter had more than 5 at-bats yet?

  16. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    It was a question, I don’t recall what he did yesterday.

  17. BBB February 28th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Has Betances thrown a sub-95 mph fastball yet? There’s some optimistic impatience…ha! Go CC. I am worried about Jeter too though.

  18. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Sabathia pitching

    Jackson strikeout

    Raburn foul popup

    Ordonez single

    Cabrera ground out

    (note – Cabrera now weighs 270 pounds)

  19. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    I’m in no way a “downer” whatever that means. I like the team a lot; some things better than others. I have my opinions and I try to be realistic and not just blindly applaud everything. The Yankees are one of the best three teams in baseball IMO.

  20. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    I asked an honest question – I did not say I was in anyway judging Jeter. I was perhaps his biggest supporter here during the contract crap.

  21. Vineyard Yankee February 28th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Randy:

    Nice story, thanks for sharing. I love those kinds of player stories.

  22. Mell February 28th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    “Fanhouse is down for the Deep Six”

    This is all part of the HuffPo merger or whatever it is, I assume. Kinda sucks. I liked some of their writers.

  23. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    I did not say I was in anyway judging Jeter. I was perhaps his biggest supporter here during the contract crap.
    ———
    Judging Jeter and supporting him during contract ‘crap’ are not mutually exclusively. It’s legit to worry about Jeter’s hitting, I do. But even if that is a question… i don’t know if anyone can draw conclusion from a handful st games.

  24. BBB February 28th, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    Wait, i’m confused..what’s happening w. Fanhouse? They’re not the ones responsible for The Dugout featuring Professor Farnsworth, Word Up Thome, etc, right?

  25. mick February 28th, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    knicks were the better team last night

  26. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Well Cashmoney since I was not drawing a conclusion but was just asking a question I didn’t know the answer too, it’s really a moot point isn’t it? You all are ridiculous! lol

  27. mick February 28th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    i wonder about the “strideless” jeter

  28. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Verlander pitching

    Jones groundout

    Martin walk

    Cervelli single

    Maxwell strikeout looking on a curve

    Mesa fly out to right

  29. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    wc, my point is why ask that question when u know the answer u get is moot.

  30. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Cervelli is not going to go down without a fight. Have to love his desire. Working with Cano on his own, etc.

  31. Vineyard Yankee February 28th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    Maybe just say ‘I don’t know the answer’ would make it simpler ?

  32. m1kew February 28th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    I know it is way too early to make decions but Cervelli appears to be making the Yankees decision re Montero very difficult. It looks like Crevelli’s off season work with Cano has improved his game enough to be a valued asset at the major league level. For Cashman to maximize this asset I believe Cervelli must be the back up catcher and a key part of any trade in the first few months. This gives Montero enough time to further improve his game. If it happens this way Montero gets the back up job mid season, Cervelli (who I like but appears not to have a future in this organization) a chance to impress other major league teams. It also buys an additional year of a lower cost Montero … kind of the best of all possible worlds.

  33. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    Cashmoney – because like many are doing, I am keeping track of how certain players are doing in terms of making improvements. Jeter is one vis-a-vis hitting the ball in the air.

  34. Betsy February 28th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    Unbelieveable that AJ would hit someone in the head……..thank god Golson is ok

  35. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    …and why do you care what question I ask cashmoney?

  36. Betsy February 28th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    It’s way too early to be making judgments on anyone – it’s been all of 2 games.

  37. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Hey Betsy. Who made a judgment?

  38. Betsy February 28th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    WC, when you ask that question, there is absolutely a negative connotation to it; not even sure why it’s important 2 games into ST.

  39. mick February 28th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    aj beaning someone is predictable…he is over the top consistency-wise

  40. mick February 28th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    people make judgments all the time, esp you betsy

  41. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    I don’t WC, u can ask away.

  42. Betsy February 28th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    I’m referring to the Cervelli comment here in particular…..but it would apply to anyone.

  43. ry81 February 28th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    I’m team Cervelli he should have a chance . If he plays once or twice a week he will be a great asset .. An if his defense is better then last year it will be perfect

  44. Crawdaddy February 28th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Why do you guys care what WCRSF says on this board?

  45. Bronx Jeers February 28th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Has WCYF tried to drag anyone into his pathetic world by asking an insidious question yet?

    (I don’t mean anything by this I’m just genuinely curious.)

  46. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Sabathia pitching

    Martinez ground out

    Peralta double to right

    Inge ground out

    Sizemore strikeout

  47. Vineyard Yankee February 28th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    WC

    Remember asking a question here is the small opening of the perception of the question to get bashed for just asking. LOL !

  48. m February 28th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    Go to today’s Gameday, click on ‘Previous’ near the scoreboard at the top. Find the previous day’s archived Gameday. There’s a play log inning by inning. Then click ‘Previous’ for Saturday’s game That way you can see how all the players have fared so far.

  49. mick February 28th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    knicks socked it to heat last night betsy

  50. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    Sabathia has yet to throw a ball. Outing over I am sure after 2 innings.

    Nice outing by CC and 3 for 3 on nice outings by the starters.

  51. Jonny No Game February 28th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    CC hasn’t thrown a ball out of the strike zone yet this year…. so that’s pretty good.

  52. Tom in N.J. February 28th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Another parenthetical day here?

  53. BBB February 28th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Cervelli is not a good baseball player. Unless Martin is incapacitated, which he appears to most certainly not be, Cervelli best not be wasting a roster spot this season. His work ethic is stellar and he’s by all accounts a great guy, but cmon. I’ve seen enough of him.

  54. Vineyard Yankee February 28th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    ‘negative connotation’ must be in the ‘tone’ of how the question is asked. Too bad you can’t hear it, only read it. LOL !

  55. upstate kate February 28th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    thanks for the updates GB

  56. mick February 28th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    cc might not throw a ball all year

  57. pat February 28th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Inquiring minds want to know if these groundouts to 3rd are being hit right at Alex or if he’s ranging to get them and if that range looks improved?

  58. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    Betsy that was a stupid comment.

  59. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Don’t try to read my mind Betsy. I asked a simple question as I did not remember what Jeter did yesterday. You are wrong – there was no connotation at all. Mind your own business.

  60. mick February 28th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    the new strategy at lohud is to hit and run WC

  61. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Porcello pitching

    Jeter ground out

    Cano strikeout swinging

    Teixeira fly out to center

  62. mick February 28th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    anybody home? anybody see that Knicks game? Defense!

  63. mick February 28th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    jeter might not get #3000 this year

  64. mick February 28th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    gardner on base all the time

  65. Vineyard Yankee February 28th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    ‘Cisco’ is the underdog, it is fun to watch him give his best and succeed. I don’t think he was prepared for all the playing time he got last year, then he got tired and his play suffered.

  66. Ed H. February 28th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    There’s a real (unfair) pile-on attitude toward WCF here. It’s fair to track players’ progress, even at this early date. First impressions do make a difference. Man of us are excited over young pitchers’ performances over a mere 1-2 innings.

  67. Carnoff February 28th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Cervelli is well worth a roster spot if he can show the rest of the league he is worth something. Especially if the yanks need to trade for a pitcher midseason he will be a good piece to have. Then to call up Montero after Cervelli leaves. This will also allow Montero to build a better relationship with the soon to be major leaguers in triple A

  68. mick February 28th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    she doesnt want to get into arguments, just start them

  69. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    That’s ok. I can handle it Mick. : )

  70. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    pat, some are smashes, others apparently right at Rodriguez. Nothing sounds like it’s difficult plays

  71. upstate kate February 28th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Mick
    we decided to watch the Knicks game instead of the Oscars…definitely the right decision!

  72. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    My pleasure, Kate.

    sabathia is done for the day.

  73. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Thanks Ed. That is all I am doing is tracking how Jeter is doing this Spring as I know he and Long were working on him hitting the ball in the air more than he did last year. I expect nothing but a stellar – bounce back year from him.

  74. Betsy February 28th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Wow, WC….ok, lol

  75. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    gb, have seen Mesa, does he remind u little bit Franco with his batting stance, looks a bit him on youtube.

  76. blake February 28th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Jeter will be at 3,100 by the end the season.

  77. Vineyard Yankee February 28th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    An argument over the connotation of a simple question, funny stuff.

  78. m1kew February 28th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Betsy – my comment clearly stated it was too early to make decisions. I was only expressing what appears to be mounting evidence that Cervelli is making a major attempt to prove he belongs at this level. It is not just two games that I base my thoughts on, I also include the fact that he worked out in the DR during the off season with Cano (and did not even go home for Christmas) and that he came into camp obviously in better shape than last year. Also, his at bats during battting practice in camp have shown improvement. I actually believe he can be a starter for many major league teams and to maximize his value to the Yankees (in a potential trade) it is better if he can stay on the major league team and show his improved game

  79. m February 28th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Jeter didn’t play yesterday. So, 4 at-bats in ST, 4 groundouts.

  80. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    Can’t figure why Jeter doesn’t take some pitches. Try something different. First pitch groundouts don’t seem to be the way.

    Feliciano is what people say he is. Death on Lefties but not so on righties.

  81. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    Jeter didn’t play yesterday. So, 4 at-bats in ST, 4 groundouts.
    ========================================
    “strideless” will have to go

  82. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    Lots of Yankee fans at Joker Merchant today it sounds like.

  83. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    knicks shocked the heat last night kate….good call

  84. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    Tough out here in Miggy with runners on.

  85. m February 28th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Next time preface the comment with “I’m too lazy to look it up, but …” or “I forgot what Jeter did in the last two games…” or “Not getting on Jeter [cuz he's really only had 4 at-bats maybe 3 when I asked the question], but…”

    Then they’re wouldn’t be the “piling on”.

  86. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Feliciano pitching for NY.

    Avilla ground out

    Jackson single to left

    Raburn single to right

    Ordonez strikeout

    Cabrera groundout to third base, deep on the line

  87. pat February 28th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    GB

    Thanks

    YESKimJones Jim Leyland loves Phil Coke, now a starter for Tigers. “He’s got one oar out of the water, sometimes,” Leyland said. “He’s fun.”

    Need to take the oar out of the water to point.

  88. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    An argument over the connotation of a simple question, funny stuff.
    =============================
    some people love to argue

  89. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    if jeter looks like last years jeter, even in his 1st 4 ab’s, it is only natural to flashback to last season

  90. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Well Betsy please don’t try to read my mind and intent from words on a screen – you hate when people do that to you.

  91. blake February 28th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    I remember Arod hitting an absolute bomb off Porcello last spring…..

  92. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Loving me some Alex early on this spring.

  93. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Double. A-Rod is looking good – that ok to say? : )

  94. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    uncanny how walkers 3 at the halftime buzzer mirrored the same thing that happened to them in the cavs game. 16-0, after being down by 15, shocked the heat and lebron.

    anthony carter shuts down wade….look out!!

  95. blake February 28th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    Alex is gonna be in the MVP discussion this year if he can stay healthy

  96. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    betsy will not be sucked in WC

  97. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    Can’t figure why Jeter doesn’t take some pitches. Try something different. First pitch groundouts don’t seem to be the way.
    ————–
    Jeter has always been a first pitch swinger as he a leadoff or 2nd place hitter in the past, the result has been good. But, I would imaging he would learned to be more patient if the result is no longer there two years in a row.

    If u believe a leadoff hitter’s job is to see more pitches than the rest and grind out some ab, Garner is your guy. But we have been thru that argument seemingly a few times.

    btw, i believe Jeter is perfectly capable of grinding out abs, it’s just a mental approach imo. I have seen Jeter done that numerous times when the Yankees need a base runner late in games. The AZ game comes to mind from LY, but there are many examples that he can.

  98. pat February 28th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    SI_JoeLemire Update from #RedSox PR: Beckett checked out by doctor. Mild concussion symptoms. Went home to rest. Next update tomorrow.

  99. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    i dont care what jeters #s are swinging at 1st pitch…i know what i see…it is impatience and shows lack of concentration….

  100. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    at this point jeter is not a leadoff hitter….he was better as a #2 hitter then damon came along…

  101. m February 28th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    pat, that’s too bad. He and Felix Dubront (?) can both blame Ruby Tuesday for the bad karma. Stupid troll coming here everyday, “So who gets hurt today?”

  102. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    mick, i can see the impatience part, dunno about lack of concentration. As far as 2nd hitter goes, I thought he was more than aight. the big knock is his propensity to hit into double play in that spot which is why Joe took him to one when damon arrived.

  103. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    start the season already…

  104. blake February 28th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Can we let Jeter get at least 10 ABs before we make any determinations….

  105. Nick in SF February 28th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Has any senior ESPN writer in western Massachusetts been in the vicinity of a pizza parlor without getting arrested for assualt and resisting arrest yet?

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....#038;tsp=1

  106. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Another base knock for Cervelli.

  107. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    i hope gardner wins the leadoff job, that would indicate he is improving, jeter will have to dropped in the order.

  108. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    ok blake 10 ab’s it is…

  109. blake February 28th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Cervelli swinging the bat well early….

  110. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    mick, i can see the impatience part, dunno about lack of concentration.
    =================
    I think they go hand in hand.

  111. Ys Guy February 28th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    …looks like its gonna be another year where the clinically depressed make it impossible to share an intelligent discussion on here during a game.

  112. m February 28th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    I don’t know how to look it up, but… (see what I did there?) doesn’t Gardner have some good numbers batting leadoff?

  113. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    cervelli will never hit…he is strictly here to catch…he wears down and relies on emotion…he is trade bait

  114. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    Porcello pitching top of the 4th inning

    Rodriguez double off the left center field wall

    Jones strikeout

    Martin walk

    Cervelli line single to left

    Maxwell strikeout

    Mesa line out to deep left

  115. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    who is Melky Mesa?

  116. Carnoff February 28th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Jeter is just working on timing because of the no stride thing he will have to learn a new way to time everything perfectly so he is probably just going up there to hack away for the first few games. No reason to get on him until the regular season. He transitioned some stuff late last season and went like 1-10 plus sat on the bench for a game or two during that period.

  117. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Manny Banuelos is up!

  118. Bronx Jeers February 28th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    SI_JoeLemire Update from #RedSox PR: Beckett checked out by doctor. Mild concussion symptoms. Went home to rest. Next update tomorrow.

    ———————————–

    Wow, he must have really got clocked.

    Upsetting. Big fan of Beckett. (Not me per se, but I’m sure somebody is) :wink:

  119. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    alright Man Ban time

  120. blake February 28th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Banuelos time.

  121. m February 28th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    If we didn’t have Montero everyone would be pulling for the guy.

    He’s a decent player who has a knack for passing the baton when there’s men on base.

    I don’t get the constant disparaging remarks.

  122. Mell February 28th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    “Has any senior ESPN writer in western Massachusetts been in the vicinity of a pizza parlor without getting arrested for assualt and resisting arrest yet?”

    Lessons of Jay Mariotti apparently lost on Howard Bryant.

  123. PhiltheThrill February 28th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Melky Mesa is a super toolsy OF who has been in the system a long time. The curveball is the only thing that has kept him from making it faster.

  124. m February 28th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    *pulling for Cervelli

  125. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Thanks PhilThrill

  126. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    I don’t know how to look it up, but… (see what I did there?) doesn’t Gardner have some good numbers batting leadoff?

    Yes, actually some of his better stats are batting leadoff, some of his worst is batting 9th.

  127. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    who is Melky Mesa?
    ———-
    a toolsy (speed,def and power) guy who made strides in single A at the advance age (23?), he is slated for AA this year unknown. if he keeps improving he might turn into a good one because his physical tools. CF by trade i think.

  128. blake February 28th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    Sounded like he got him to roll over a changeup…..

  129. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    If we didn’t have Montero everyone would be pulling for the guy.
    ========================
    disagree.

  130. Doreen February 28th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    m -

    Just joining in – is it Cervelli that’s taking the heat today?

    He disappointed defensively last season, but I think it’s because no one expected him to play so much and he got worn down. I think part of the work in the off-season was to build his stamina. In addition to working on hitting with Cano, he said he “killed the gym.” I don’t believe a person just loses defensive skills. I think you can misplace sharpness when you’re worn down, though.

  131. Tom in N.J. February 28th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    I like Cervelli.

  132. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    cant believe kaye brought up using betances as a reliever yesterday…

  133. blake February 28th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Backdoor curve….strike 3.

  134. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    banuelos pitching

    Martinez ground out to short

    Peralta strikeout on big curve

    Inge strikeout on curve

    Not many types of pitches given nor speeds by radio

  135. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    What an inning!

    Banuelos got a weak ground out on a change and struck out Peralta and Inge both on nasty curve balls.

  136. pat February 28th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    Good inning for Banuelos

  137. Ed H. February 28th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    Mick, I’d like to see Gardner in the leadoff spot too. His abilities are not being fully taked advantage of hitting 9th. He can really be a spark plug hitting first. If Jeter is rejuvinated this year (which I hope he is) he should hit 2nd. If not, then eighth.

  138. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    Commentary on the pitches coming from Tigers announcers.

  139. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    Mesa is a Granderson type player from the right side of the plate

  140. Tom in N.J. February 28th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    “He disappointed defensively last season, but I think it’s because no one expected him to play so much and he got worn down.”

    Doreen, That’s what I thought too. When you’re tired, you get lazy. And that’s when mistakes get made.

  141. blake February 28th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    Another back door.curve for strike 3…..couldn’t watch but certainly sounded.like.an impressive inning for Manny.

  142. timmyb72 February 28th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Tiger announcers praising Banuelos. Sounds like quite an impressive inning!!! Can’t wait to see this kid in the Yankees rotation!

  143. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Killer B’s doing the damn thing.

  144. kd February 28th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    before you give up on cervelli, remember that he would be the starter for about 1/2 the teams in the bigs. he’s more than just filler. he wore down last year, his first in ml. not that surprising. he worked out with cano all winter, not unreasonable to see him maintain a .275 average with 10 hr and 50 rbi. not bad for a backup, he might bring back a really nice piece at the deadline

  145. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    cervelli is strictly a backup….if russell never gets healthy, i can see montero up in May

  146. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    I think the Yankees should just chill out on the Liraino thing. Don’t give them our young talent for him. Something fishy about the Twins trying to dump him.

    I think he is hurt again.

  147. Tom in N.J. February 28th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    The Tigers announcers spouting the company line?

  148. Nick in SF February 28th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    ManBan couldn’t strike out the side?

    I didn’t realize he was so far behind Betances. :neutral:

  149. Doreen February 28th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    So I just checked into Gameday. Did Manny Banuelos have a 1-2-3 inning, striking out 2? Did I read that right? Wow. The Youngsters are surely impressing.

  150. pat February 28th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Is the nightmare over now that Derek got a hit?

  151. blake February 28th, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    Doreen,

    Yea….roll over change up to SS then K’d the next two on curveballs

  152. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    Doreen, now the yankees young shortstop, Derek Jeter is getting into the act with a single.

  153. Tom in N.J. February 28th, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    “Is the nightmare over now that Derek got a hit?”

    Only if it was hit in the air

  154. PhiltheThrill February 28th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Montero’s gonna win the job, but he won’t catch every game.

  155. Doreen February 28th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Boy, sure wish this game were on tv. :)

    GB7 -

    Young Master Jeter getting a hit? Wow! Bring him up!

  156. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Cano sent one to the wall in left center, but caught. Teixeira doubles in Jeter

  157. blake February 28th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Really good sign that Tex is.swinging the bat well early.

  158. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    tex seems determined to get off to a good start…but the weather is warm.

  159. timmyb72 February 28th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    Don’t see the love for Cervelli, he’s trade fodder and/or AAAA at best. No power to speak of, will be lucky to have an OPS > .650, had an awful season defensively last year, starting C on most MLB teams???? really??? A guy that can’t hit a HR if the walls were 200 ft away instead of 400 ft? Don’t see it sorry! Montero has the opp to give you an OPS > .800 and looks really comfortable yesterday behind the plate. He’s your starter!!!

  160. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    Doreen, all the scouts think that Jeter is just a flash in the pan and has no range at shortstop

  161. upstate kate February 28th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    He can be a bit hyper, but I like Cervelli. He was supposed to be a back up last year and ended up catching way too many games. I don’t think it helped that he caught most of AJ’s games. I don’t ever see him being the Yankees full time catcher, but he makes a good back up.

  162. Vineyard Yankee February 28th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    mick:

    And they need another reliever like I need a hole in my head. LMAO ! Kay was too busy listening to everyone talk about his marriage, so his fat head got more swollen than normal.

  163. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Andruw Jones – solid RBI base knock

  164. Doreen February 28th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    GB7 -

    I heard they think he’d do better in the outfield….

    :?

    *****

    timmyb72 -

    I can appreciate many different players for many different reasons. :)

  165. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    I don’t think the toe is affecting Tex. That’s a good thing. Like to see him and Alex both 100% healthy and see what happens.

  166. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    timmyb72 February 28th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    Don’t see the love for Cervelli, he’s trade fodder and/or AAAA at best.
    ===============================
    some here adopt players….making them beyond reproach…..but you can think what you like it’s ok with me and most others

  167. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    Rodriguez strikes out

    Jones singles to right scoring Teixeira

    Martin grounds out

    2-0 Yankees. the yankees are hot and are now odds on to win the WS in a walkover.

  168. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    # Vineyard Yankee February 28th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    mick:

    And they need another reliever like I need a hole in my head. LMAO ! Kay was too busy listening to everyone talk about his marriage, so his fat head got more swollen than normal.
    =====================================================
    If possible, Mr. Applegate seems more obnoxious than ever.

  169. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Prior now pitching

  170. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Prior is now up.

  171. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Doreen February 28th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
    GB7 -

    I heard they think he’d do better in the outfield….

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    At best, his ceiling is as a ROOGY

  172. Carnoff February 28th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    If the yanks go after an arm at the deadline there first priority should be to try and get Chris Carpenter. The cardinals are falling apart they probably wont be able to retain pujols and wainwright there true number one is done for the season. They should want to save money by dumping Carpenter contract and pick up a couple of young guys to be able to start to rebuild.

  173. Doreen February 28th, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    WC -

    How are you getting the Tiger feed?

  174. timmyb72 February 28th, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    If I’m the Yankees I want a C that can hit with some power every once in awhile. Don’t see that with Cervelli, he is who he is, no power, will scratch out a single once in a while, and not good defensively. AAAA level player nothing more!

  175. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Carpenter contract and pick up a couple of young guys to be able to start to rebuild.
    ========================
    depends who the yougsters are….carpenter is 36-37

  176. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Weak fly ball and a strike out on an off-speed pitch

  177. m February 28th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    There is no “love” for Cervelli. Just non-hate. K? He’s a Yankee until he’s not. No need to knock in the guy every day. If you don’t like him or think he’s trade fodder just move on.

    Without Posada, we need Cervelli. I don’t see why that’s so difficult to understand.

  178. blake February 28th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Im listening to the Tiger feed on my phone with the MLB app

  179. RayVT February 28th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Let’s see! Its okay to pull for Cervelli whose upside is a .250 hitter with little power and weak defense, but it is not okay to push for Montero whose upside is .320 hitter with tons of power & is probably equal to or better than Cervelli on defense.

    Cervelli still has an option to go down to AAA and play in case he is needed. Montero/Martin catching is good with maybe some Posada mixed in. Montero is a beast and is still learning! I prefer him learning from Pena/Girardi & Posada and even Martin than going back to AAA. Montero’s bat is MLB ready now. I’m all in for him.

    That said I root for Cervelli too, but not at Montero’s expense.

  180. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Doreen- If you have XM, mlb.tv, or mlb at bat, you can listen to the radio feed. Go to mlb.com and click the headphones next to the NYY – DET game.

    Catching is so dire a position, Cervelli would definitely be a starter on a number of other teams.

  181. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    mlb.com Doreen

  182. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Good inning for Prior.

    - Weak fly ball.

    - Strike out on an off-speed pitch.

    - Weak Pop-up.

  183. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Sizemore short fly out to right

    Avilla strikeout on breaking pitch in the dirt

    Jackson – short fly out to right

    Price says the fast ball looks pretty good and sharp curve/slider

  184. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Cervelli has a minor league CS% of 41% and threw out 40% of runners in 09. He had an uncharacteristically bad year defensively last year.

  185. I Like Inge February 28th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    How much is the MLB radio app?

  186. Nick in SF February 28th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    “There is no “love” for Cervelli.”

    Please don’t deny our love.

  187. m February 28th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    I didn’t say to not push for Montero. I think we’re all on the same page about Cervelli and have no grand illusions about his abilities it role here.

    Totally off-base on what I was trying to say. We don’t need to hear every day that Cervelli is a nobody.

  188. pat February 28th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Buster_ESPN Radar gun reading for banuelos cOnsistent 93, hit 95 mph once

  189. Carnoff February 28th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    not talking blue chip. more in lines with cervelli plus one or two decent arms not sure who that is yet as they have all looked very sharp this spring

  190. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    thanks for the speed readings on banuelos. Plenty good for a left handed relief pitcher

  191. timmyb72 February 28th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    All I’m saying Montero gives you much better return for your money then Cervelli at this point. Just tired of seeing backup catchers with no offensive ability and no power, and Cervelli has shown 0 power, zip, nada. I will root for him but not at the expense of Montero making the big club.

  192. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Cervelli definitely has trade value. He is a major league catcher.

  193. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    i think ajax will have a good yr. I know his babip is little high but not if u look at his minor league trend. His p/pa is very encouraging. Ajax is gonna get better.

  194. mick February 28th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    is this place down?

  195. upstate kate February 28th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    I totally agree w/ M. I am not saying I want Cervelli instead of Montero, just saying that he isn’t as bad as he is being portrayed.

  196. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    i think ajax will have a good yr. I know his babip is little high but not if u look at his minor league trend. His p/pa is very encouraging. Ajax is gonna get better.

    His BABIP last year was unsustainable. Unless you’re telling me he is better than Ichiro. A-Jax is going to be ok, because he is pretty good in center, but he really needs to cut down his strike outs or develop power out of nowhere.

  197. timmyb72 February 28th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    Not on a championship caliber team, and fighting other teams that are offensive juggernauts in the East, Cervelli is not as good an option as Montero, sorry!

  198. RayVT February 28th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    upstate kate February 28th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Cervelli is okay. But in the lineage of who I’d rather have on the MLB roster for the Yanks he would come in behind Romine.

    Montero
    Martin
    Posada
    Romine
    Cervelli

  199. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Nice Mesa, gives the Captain one more AB

  200. pat February 28th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Another MLB dream job? PA Announcer for the Cubs! http://fb.me/I6Nbh0TG
    10 minutes ago via Facebook

  201. Carnoff February 28th, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    @ RayVT Dont know how you rank any of those guys behind Posada. No value behind the plate but greatest value at DH could be an offensive juggernaut for us this year.

  202. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    Jerk, i think he needs cut down his strike outs. Power wise, i think he has plenty for league avg CF. Dunno if the hr power ever will dev. I have in mind of slightly dip in average but more power in the forms of dbl and triples. He is prolly still learning in the major league.

  203. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    pat, replacing the voice of Ron santo for the Cubs isn’t too tough. Replacing the heart and soul of Ron Santo is impossible.

  204. BD (Boston Dave) February 28th, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    I have the MLB iPhone app too. Had it last year too.

    I recommend it even if it’s $15.

  205. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Not on a championship caliber team, and fighting other teams that are offensive juggernauts in the East, Cervelli is not as good an option as Montero, sorry!

    No one is arguing that cervelli is better than Montero.

  206. BD (Boston Dave) February 28th, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    According to the MLB app though, the Yanks pitchers havent thrown a single “ball” all game, just strikes. That’s gotta be wrong, right?

  207. blake February 28th, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Impressive stuff from Banuelos.

  208. Nick in SF February 28th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    The Yankees were a championship caliber team last season with Cervelli — even though he badly faded down the stretch — starting more games than Posada.

    Of course he’s good enough to be the backup on a championship caliber team, regardless of who else is in the system.

  209. ac1 February 28th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    maybe one thing jeter is working on too this spring is getting the ball off the ground. he HAS to get the ball in the air.

  210. GoldGlove9486 February 28th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    That’s absolutely wrong, Boston Dave. Whatever the result that’s happening with the batter, they are indicating that it happened on the first pitch of every at bat.

  211. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    Cervelli was on the 09 team that actually was a championship caliber team. No one was complaining then when he hit .280 and threw out 40% of basestealers and had a 2 ERA catching CC.

  212. BD (Boston Dave) February 28th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Thanks GoldenGlove.

    I figured, though they do show Detroits pitchers as having thrown balls so I figured maybe it was possible.

  213. Ys Guy February 28th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    for me, the yankees backup catcher has to be a good defender. we had posada for years with his big stick and less than stellar defense. a big bat a C is such an advantage! and we will have montero moving forward.

    we need a really solid defensive catcher to back up and come in late innings when we are winning while jesus learns how to be a ml catcher. its nice that cervelli sometimes gets on a nice hitting grove, but that’s really not what the yankees are looking for.

    molina was more what we needed. they thought cervelli would be something like that, no stick but great behind the plate. but last year, he wasnt.

    at this point, unless they are going to trade martin, cervelli is just keeping the seat warm until montero comes up. then he’s gone likely for good.

  214. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    the gameday app is lazy during spring time because the parks don’t have pitchfx cameras.

  215. blake February 28th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Cervelli absolutely has trade value and could have more by just veins little more consistent with the bat and by showing progression defensively….he has the tools tone a good defender andi think he will be.

  216. Nick in SF February 28th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Livan watch:

    “The portly right-hander is far more than an innings eater for the Washington Nationals, who see the former Giant, now 36, as the perfect mentor to a clubhouse full of young pitchers, including Stephen Strasburg and Jordan Zimmermann. “Livan reminds you that the position is called pitcher – it’s not thrower,” manager Jim Riggleman said. Hernandez has not thrown heat in years, so he gets hitters out with guile and experience. Though he can see himself working in Latin America or serving as an assistant to a general manager someday, Hernandez isn’t ready to retire just yet. “I try to play five more years and see what’s happening,” he said. “I want to be the Jamie Moyer of right-handers.”

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....1HUVQF.DTL

  217. blake February 28th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    Cervelli would start for the Red Sox

  218. mick February 28th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    How the rs are rated so highly w/o a catcher is beyond me?

  219. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Cervelli would start for the Red Sox

    That is FACT

  220. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Rothschild makes his first visit to the mound.

    Good stride, head steady, looks straight ahead, back straight, walked with a purpose, seemed confident, smiled at the umpire.

  221. mick February 28th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Lee: “We have the best guy in the game in Halladay.”

    Felix come on down.

  222. Ys Guy February 28th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    i wish el duque was still around. LOVED that guy!

  223. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Turpen don’t turn this into a slop show.

  224. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Turpentine.

  225. GoldGlove9486 February 28th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Well, Turpen, you’re fired.

  226. mick February 28th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    Tarpen and Fish.
    Oh the halibut!

  227. ac1 February 28th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    who in the blue hell is daniel turpen?

  228. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Turpen is pitching …so far looks more like a minnow than a shark.

    single

    strikeout (big minnow)

    walk to Cabrera. Cabrera waddles to first base

    ground out to short

    infield single to third (vazquez playing 3rd base) run scored

    walk run scored bases still loaded

    ground out to short

    Assuming Price is correct, the grounder to Bernier at short should have been a DP and Vazquez didn’t come in fast enough to get the ground ball single.

    Berier has absolutely no control whatsoever

    First cut of the year will be Turpen

  229. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Correction:

    Turpen has absolutely no control whatsoever

  230. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    Pitching terpitude

  231. Yank 97 February 28th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    Ugh Turpan blew the lead…. why did Joe leave him out there that long when he has a fresh Soriano and Joba available?

  232. GoldGlove9486 February 28th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Why not bring in Rivera in that situation? LOL.

  233. ac1 February 28th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Ugh Turpan blew the lead…. why did Joe leave him out there that long when he has a fresh Soriano and Joba available?

    ______

    Getting prepared for the regular season already?

  234. RayVT February 28th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    Carnoff February 28th, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Posada will do some catching this year albeit not like last year. He is working out with the catchers now, but they want to make sure he is totally okay before they use him behind the plate again. That said he is better than Cervelli as a 3rd or 4th catcher.

  235. GoldGlove9486 February 28th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    This is Girardi repeating what he did with Burnett in Game 4 against Texas…leaving him out there in the sixth to blow the game. LOL.

  236. mick February 28th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    with all the complaining about who we can or cannot knock, this blog comes to a screeching halt when the vitriol stops, funny isn’t it?

  237. GoldGlove9486 February 28th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    Jorge Vazquez for DH!!!

  238. mick February 28th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    SCREEEEECH!!!!!!

  239. Vineyard Yankee February 28th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    Yank 97 February 28th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    Because its ST and they want to see what the guys got and what he can or can’t do when he is in a jam.

  240. BBB February 28th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    I agree about Posada, RayVT. He’s still better option as a backup catcher than Cervelli. Logically it kind of makes sense about his wearing down and mental mistakes ensuing I guess, but his AB’s have mostly been Wilson Betemit quick on the big club..he needs to prove he can take pitches at the MLB level and same thing with playing defense. I like Cervelli, but just trying to be pragmatic..all these skills we’ve heard about him having in the minors..we’ve seen no evidence that they translate at this level. Other than his brief hot start last year and part of a genuine big league player’s makeup is ability to make adjustments.

    Also, somebody said he’d be starting on most teams..really? what starting catchers is he better than?

  241. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Just checking in. Haven’t had a shot to read just about anything. How did CC look, curiously. Who else pitched? Any highlights? Thanks all.

  242. ac1 February 28th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Just checking in. Haven’t had a shot to read just about anything. How did CC look, curiously. Who else pitched? Any highlights? Thanks all.

    ___

    Banuelos looked real good.

  243. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    “He’s still better option as a backup catcher than Cervelli”

    What is this? I did see that, right before my post! If Posada is a better option than Cervelli then someone needs to tell me what kind of hideous things Cervelli did in today’s game. Posada has no arm and doesn’t frame balls.

    Seriously, enlighten me. Posada looked terrible much of last season so I sure don’t understand this sentiment – though again, I’ve seen nothing about today.

    Thanks.

    :)

  244. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    ac1 – thanks!

  245. Doreen February 28th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    THanks for the info about the Tiger audio, everyone. :)

  246. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    how did Chavez look yesterday?

  247. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Trisha, Sabathia allowed two hits, no walks. Just getting his innings and working on pitches. No TV. Prior was perfect with a trikeout in one inning. Banuelos was perfect with 2 strikeouts in one inning. About 12-14 pitches, averaged about 93-94 MPH and sharp curve and change-up.

  248. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Oh, oh. Lots of Lohud fans will be hanging themselves, now. Tigers up 4-2 in the 7th.

  249. RayVT February 28th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    BBB February 28th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Someone said he might start for the Red Sox, but I think Salty is a better fit there still. I couldn’t come up with another team needing Cervelli as a starting Catcher.

    He seems like a nice guy, but he is like a jumping bean behind the plate and IMO very distracting. He is energetic, but not quite capable. A singles hitter at best and if he played regularly he would be lucky to hit .250 with zero power.

    I suspect Cervelli goes to AAA when the season starts.

  250. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Was it Fish who just pitched and gave up the lead?

  251. mick February 28th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    I suspect Cervelli goes to AAA when the season starts.
    ====================================
    SHHHHHH…..some will get offended.

  252. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    YankeeFem, yes it was. He’s the next cut after Turpen

  253. RayVT February 28th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Does this mean the Tigers are the favorites to win the WS now?

  254. RayVT February 28th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    mick February 28th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    LOL! I like Cervelli! I just think he is best suited in AAA to provide depth if needed.

  255. m February 28th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    So we should applaud knocking on players and passive aggressive behavior begins it drives up the hits?

    :?

  256. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Thanks, GB7. DJ Mitchell pitching next I hope!

    Let’s go, Austin!

  257. mick February 28th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    whatcha got against passive aggressive behavior?

  258. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    That’s how I see it, Ray. Unless it’s someone else. Of course, the Red Sox, those Winter WS champs will lose their first game and then run off 161 straight wins and sweep the post season. Nobody has ever put together a team this good.

  259. m February 28th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    And saying you suspect Cervelli will start the season in AAA is an observation, not an “offensive” remark.

    Gah! Another hit. Must resist.

  260. ac1 February 28th, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    thank you turpen and fish, dont let the door hit you on the way out :)

  261. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Who’s limping? Schlereth?

  262. mick February 28th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Gah!?

  263. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    YankeeFem, that’s who I look to see.

    Oh, oh!!! Tigers just lost Schlereth for the next 5 years. They’re now toast.

  264. mick February 28th, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    thank you turpen and fish, dont let the door hit you on the way out
    ==========================================
    more likely to drown…

  265. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    Jeter got a base hit – but I think it’s still a crap shoot whether or not he makes the team. He’s hitting an awful .167 this spring.

  266. mick February 28th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    it would be interesting if Jeter hit .167 for the spring and Gardner hit .400…wouldn’t it make sense if Gardner hit leadoff that Jeter would be more patient if Gardy ran more? With more stolen bases where is the fear of the DP?

  267. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
    YankeeFem, that’s who I look to see.
    _______
    Same here, GB7. Curious to see if he picks up where he left off in ’10 in AAA.

    Rally cap on. :)

  268. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Come on, you Krum.

  269. G. Love February 28th, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    You have to hope that Cervelli gets traded before the end of the spring, because boyscout Joe in the dugoout will keep him as the backup even if Montero shows he’s a better all around player. It’s the same reason why Girardi won’t move Jeter from the top spot or Tex from the 3 hole unless they bottom out to historic proportions and he’s forced to.

    We’ve seen enough of him to know his loyalty to Cervelli will cross the lines of what is good for the team. This is a man who tried to lose the division down the stretch last year in some ridiculous campaign to have fresher players (yet still aggressively used Mo) that backfired on him once Texas walked into town and steamrolled us.

    And to the poster who predicted earlier that Cervelli will hit .275 with 10 HR’s as a backup, could you please pass the crack? Thanks!

  270. mick February 28th, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    And saying you suspect Cervelli will start the season in AAA is an observation, not an “offensive” remark.
    ============
    yes it is. it’s an opinion.

  271. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Thanks mel. Nothing offense about someone thinking a player will be once place or another.

    GB, I never worry about the end of the game stuff, especially in the opening games. Usually the pitchers who are in, in the later innings are not the “marquis” names!

    Great news about the others though. I am so psyched about the options the Yanks have all around. We are going to crank this year.

    *************

    Cervelli will definitely start the season with the Yankees, unless he gets injured in ST.

    That’s my opinion.

    :)

  272. m February 28th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    I vote yes to Gardner/Jeter at the top. I bet he does it against righties.

  273. pat February 28th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    JimBowdenXMFOX: Bob Nightengale of USAToday thinks its possible Liriano is traded to Yanks in nxt 2 wks for Nova or Joba +

    + who?

  274. ac1 February 28th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    gotta pinch hit for Pena here haha.

  275. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    Ramiro with bases loaded… This guy doesn’t seem to have much control.

  276. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    Last Oscar related post on “The King’s Speeech”. From Jimmy Kimmel last night – very funny.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnxNnJYziMY

  277. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    Trisha, it’s not your safety that I concern myself with. It’s all of our “friends” on here that I fear that they’ve been stocking up on rope. They’re all such sensitve souls.

  278. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    BBB, this is probably the first time you and I have ever disagreed!

  279. mick February 28th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    would anyone do joba for liriano straight up?

  280. pat February 28th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    NationalsPR: Bryce Harper strikes out swinging on 3 pitches. #Nationals

    He’s a bust! :wink:

  281. ac1 February 28th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    I dont see the insistence to keep Jeter at 1 instead of 2. Is it a big insult to move him to the #2 spot where he hit for 10 years?

    Gardner should definitely be at the top, especially against righties. Lefties, maybe Jeter/Swish…

  282. BBB February 28th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    I hope you’re wrong, G.Love. One of the biggest reasons I wanted Girardi over Mattingly (who I saw as a continuation of Torre) was that I thought he’d break the Torre Circle of Trust cycle. Cervelli is cute hardworking enthusiastic and pleasant but this aint a beauty pageant. Really I’m gonna be pissed if he makes the team w/so many better candidates. I guess I could wait till after spring to make this declaration but I’ve already seen what I needed to see from him last year. At least give Montero the chance!

    Misguided Torre-esque loyalties or not though, the decision to put Brett in the leadoff spot will be a lot harder to make because of Jeter’s history w/the team. But if he continues trending downward I want to see the leadership we all love him for come out w/him advocating Gardner for leadoff. or at least not getting all stank about it.

  283. blake February 28th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    The “+” would have to be pretty much nothing before Id do that. Nova and Joba maybe but not much more considering Liriano’s injury history……just don’t know why the Twins would do that unless they know something we don’t……smells fishy.

  284. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    DJ’s in!!

  285. ac1 February 28th, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    would anyone do joba for liriano straight up?

    ____

    Only because Joba is nothing in the pen right now, but isn’t Liriano hurt?

    I liked what i saw from Joba the other day. I still believe he can get his game back and be our future closer.

  286. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    DJ Mitchell now pitching

  287. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    “Trisha, it’s not your safety that I concern myself with. It’s all of our “friends” on here that I fear that they’ve been stocking up on rope. They’re all such sensitve souls.”

    Oh GB, say it ain’t so. Not this early. I’ve really had a crazy day with stuff going on. Are you tell me I am going to have to work OT driving the wah wah wambulance this early? If so, let me get the meds and depends ready. Geesh!

    :D

  288. BBB February 28th, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    Aww Trisha you remember me, cool! I will be rooting for Cervelli to prove me wrong!

  289. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    “would anyone do joba for liriano straight up?”

    Um, no. Well I wouldn’t anyway. Why go after something you don’t need?

  290. mick February 28th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Gardy is the toughest out on the team.
    He battles every pitch the way a hungry player does.
    By the time Jeter or Swisher gets up they have seen at least 6-7 pitches, if not more.
    Jeter is just to impatient to bat leadoff.

  291. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    OUCH. Iorg with a solo homer

  292. tyanksfan36 February 28th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    I love having this at bat app on my phone. Unfortunately I didn’t get out of work until the inning after Banuelos.

  293. mick February 28th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    Why go after something you don’t need?
    ===========================
    You never have enough pitching.

  294. LGY February 28th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    Mick

    I like Joba and think he will be great this year but would do that in a cocaine heartbeat.

    Liriano could give them the best pitching in the AL

  295. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    BBB, are you serious? Remember you? I could never forget you. You are always one of the more stable posters throughout every season. Cool head, never panics, supports the team, shows patience. You stick out like a sore thumb!!!

    :)

  296. tyanksfan36 February 28th, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    Well that wasn’t pretty sounding.

  297. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    You never have enough pitching, true. But if you trade Joba you give up pitching.

  298. BeholdArNo February 28th, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    Does anyone feel bad for Beckett?

  299. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Now gave up a double. Looks like the sinker may not be sinking so far…

  300. G. Love February 28th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    If Joba isn’t going to start, you trade him for Liriano as long as it doesn’t cost any of the truly top guys in the system.

    A LH starter is worth much much more than a middle relief option.

    And let’s not blow smoke and pretend Cashman will ever promote Betances and Banuelos this season to the majors. He won’t.

    There’s a need for starting pitching on this team. Liriano would fill the need. It’s just a question of cost in talent. Joba in a deal for him would have to go considering Cashman won’t consider Joba a starting pitcher any longer.

    If the choice is Freddy Garcia vs. Liriano for a spot in the rotation it’s a no brainer.

  301. pat February 28th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    blake

    That said nova OR joba. Nova heads up or Joba + another part is how I interpretted that.

  302. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Yes, Trisha, I’m afraid you’ll need a 4 gurnies ambulance and a large gas tank. (Don’t forget to make sure that the back doors are shut tight.

  303. mick February 28th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    i meant to say starting pitching

  304. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    DJ’s getting tattooed.

  305. blake February 28th, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    Yes I would trade Joba for Liriano….I like how Joba threw the ball the other day but you just have to do that if Joba isn’t going to start anymore.

  306. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    YankeeFem, really unusual to see fly balls from Mitchell

  307. RayVT February 28th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    They have me in awe! Not sure why we need to play the season really!

    Did you see the comment by a sportswriter that Beltre’s injury proneness is why the RSox didn’t pursue him! I tell you, those RSox people are light years ahead of the rest of us minions. I wonder what happened to their crystal ball last year with all those injuries? I don’t seem to remember Beltre getting injured last year though! LOL!

  308. Doreen February 28th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    And they’re going to want more than one for Liriano, so you lose pitching depth. I don’t trust why the Twins would be getting rid of Liriano. Just don’t trust it. And since when do people listen to the folks on MLB radio???? They’d be all for a deal that would turn out poorly for the Yankees. :?

  309. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    “Jeter is just to impatient to bat leadoff.”

    Interesting take someone gave me on this the other day. He said that people on lohud are always all over Jeter because he doesn’t show patience at the plate but he said that he thinks that Jeter’s skills have declined so much that he is always going to go after the fastball and that the first pitch of the game is typically going to be a fastball, so that Jeter cannot afford not to swing at the first pitch. He also said that Jeter is dismal on and 0-2 count so the last thing he wants is to get it to that.

    What do you think of that as a theory?

  310. blake February 28th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    Pat,

    Oh ok…gotcha. I would probably have to do it either way unless Liriano is hurt or unless the “+” in that equation is significant.

  311. mick February 28th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    the more interesting question is whether or not they trade Nova for Liriano. his injury proneness scares me.
    With our pen, 5 or 6 from Nova is big.

  312. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    “Yes, Trisha, I’m afraid you’ll need a 4 gurnies ambulance and a large gas tank. (Don’t forget to make sure that the back doors are shut tight.”

    :lol:

  313. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    YankeeFem, really unusual to see fly balls from Mitchell
    ____
    Pitches must be up, but sounds like he is settling down. Be nice to get out of this with only the one.

  314. m February 28th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    It would be weird seeing Joba on another team. BUT getting a lefty like Liriano?

    It depends on what the longterm plans for Joba are. He’s going to start costing more. Not worth it if he’s not starting or closing.

  315. BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    Before everyone buries Cervelli, I think it would be interesting to see how he does this ST after building up his strength and hitting thru a rigous off-season workout routine.

    I recall several players who had huge step ups from such programs, such as Yaz in 67, Brian Downing, HoJo, and others. 2010 was his first full year…and much of it he was worn out. I think too many people are judging him too soon.

    If he can hit and his defense is up, I think it might be good to start him and let Montero get a little more time in SWB, and see what Martin gives us. Then, in May, if Martin is doing well, swap Montero and Cervelli, and give Cervelli playing time at 3B, 1B, RF and LF to see if he can come back as a supersub.

  316. G. Love February 28th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    Joba is a 1 inning middle relief option on this team. If this is what Cashman and the Yankees believe is the best use of his talents, there is no way on heaven or earth that is worth more than a 200 inning 200 K starter.

    Do I think the team is misusing Joba? Yes. The guy has stayed healthy. For Cashman to use the shoulder as the reason why he can’t start you’d think Joba would hit the DL once in awhile. He doesn’t. As Chad or Sam pointed out earlier in here, he’s durable and has appeared in a ton of games over the years. He should be given the chance to start. Based on the stuff he showed the other day I’m stunned if someone in the Yankees front office is thinking the same thing.

    That said, he’s a 1 inning pitcher who might appear in 75 games.

    You definitely trade him for Liriano if he can somehow be the centerpiece and Liriano’s physical checks out.

  317. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    *two*

  318. mick February 28th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    The other team knows Jeter swings 1st pitch fastball.
    That’s why it’s never in the zone.

  319. blake February 28th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    Unless Liriano is being a problem in the clubhouse or is hurt, I don’t see why the Twins would be looking to move him now. They should have a shot in that division …..doesn’t add up.

  320. tyanksfan36 February 28th, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    Wally Matthews is taking this game a bit too serious on Twitter. Must be heat stroke.

  321. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    No way we would get Liriano for just Joba.

  322. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    “Before everyone buries Cervelli, I think it would be interesting to see how he does this ST after building up his strength and hitting thru a rigous off-season workout routine.”

    I’m standing guard with a gun with real bullets. Anyone steps too close to Cisco, sorry but I’m taking no prisoners. Remember you’ve been warned.

    :mad:

  323. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    RayVT February 28th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    They have me in awe! Not sure why we need to play the season really!

    Did you see the comment by a sportswriter that Beltre’s injury proneness is why the RSox didn’t pursue him! I tell you, those RSox people are light years ahead of the rest of us minions. I wonder what happened to their crystal ball last year with all those injuries? I don’t seem to remember Beltre getting injured last year though! LOL!

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    The Big ham was all over the board with updates about the pounding that Boston was giving the 2 junior college kids and after 1 inning last night, not a word as they were getting knocked around. He’ll be all over it today, though after the Boston win. Set your watch by it.

  324. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    Someone said he might start for the Red Sox, but I think Salty is a better fit there still. I couldn’t come up with another team needing Cervelli as a starting Catcher.

    Cervelli would be a starter on:

    The Angels
    The Mariners
    The Mets
    The Pirates
    The Red Sox (Salty sucks)
    The Royals
    The Astros
    The Brewers
    The Dodgers
    The Padres

    Ok I am going to stop looking now, Cervelli would start on a lot of teams is what I am saying.

  325. mick February 28th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    Is Liriano as good as made up to be?

  326. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    “No way we would get Liriano for just Joba.”

    I took that more as a “would you do it” than anyone thinking it would actually ever happen that way. Maybe I’m wrong.

  327. G. Love February 28th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    trisha,

    That theory on Jeter is spot on. He wants to hit the fastball and he knows it’s coming early in the count so he hacks away at it so they can’t try to get him out on slop thrown down and low (which he was missing all the time last year).

    It’s why he makes a poor leadoff hitter. He can’t be patient because he wants that cookie fastball to drive and will swing at it no matter the count.

    It’s why Gardner and his patience makes a better lead off guy. He will cause the pitcher to throw more pitches to the lead off hitter and allow the next hitters to get a sense of the stuff they are about to face.

    Jeter would make a better 2 hitter if he can hit .300. If he can’t, he needs to hit at the bottom of the order if he doesn’t show the patience the lineup needs at the top.

    One of the Yankees biggest advantages was they always made the starting pitcher throw a ton of pitches early on. If Jeter is up there hacking at the first or second pitch, it starts to negate that advantage.

  328. LGY February 28th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    I would rather trade Nova than Joba

  329. mick February 28th, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    Isn’t Nova’s upside worth more than an oft-injured Liriano?

  330. Yank 97 February 28th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    Joba will have a lower ERA than Soriano this year. Hold onto him,

    Give the Twins a guy like Phelps instead… he seems to be their type of pitcher.

  331. m February 28th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    Nova might end up being a pretty good pitcher. He’s hit a ton of confidence. Wonder how he’ll hold up over the course of a full season.

    Nova’s still making league minimum, he may have more value than Joba at this point.

  332. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    By the way, I don’t see Girardi as having blind loyalty at all. If that were the case, Kyle Farnsworth would still be with the Yankees. I see Girardi as almost the opposite. I think his scientific engineering background stands him well when it comes to making hard decisions. You might not like the decisions he makes, but when he makes them they are not out of misguided loyalty! They’re out of doing what he thinks gives the Yankees the best chances of winning. Come on now.

  333. mick February 28th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Liriano is too questionable.
    Pass.

  334. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Nova might end up being a pretty good pitcher. He’s hit a ton of confidence. Wonder how he’ll hold up over the course of a full season.

    After Nova’s impressive debut now I don’t want to trade him, but Joba also had an impressive debut! Can we trade someone else? Who hasn’t debuted yet? Brackman! Give them Brackman!

  335. G. Love February 28th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    mick,

    Liriano isn’t an ace in my opinion. That said, he’s a big step up from AJ and maybe a small step up from Hughes if Hughes doesn’t develop his secondary stuff and start putting hitters away with 2 strikes.

    He’s lefty, he’s young, he strikes guys out and last season he pitched 190 innings.

    That said, he hasn’t been healthy over his career and the Twins could be dealing him because they fear the increased workload from last season will cause him to break down this year.

    Even with the red flags, if the cost is Joba and a guy like Warren, you do it.

    If it’s Joba and one of the B’s or they ask for Sanchez or even Montero, you hang up the phone.

    The Twins won’t hand him to us. That’s for sure. I don’t see a deal happening. They’ll ask for the moon.

  336. m February 28th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    *got a ton of confidence.

  337. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    And of course G. Love, the problem with Jeter in the 2-hole is his propensity to GIDP.

    :(

  338. ac1 February 28th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    trade nova over joba? really? one is basically our #4 and the other is the 6th inning guy (whether that is right or not). I would be concerned with Liriano’s health and losing Nova, and then possibly losing liriano? Would NOT be very good.

  339. Fran the original February 28th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    Jack Curry waa saying yesterday that Liriano is a problem in the clubhouse. He was also wondering why the Twins would trade him.

  340. BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    I love Liriano-in theory.

    But the way he still relies on his slider, and the violent motion he has for a delivery? I suspect the Twins realize he is one pitch away from blowing out his arm again ala Christian Garcia.

    No way would I trade Joba or Nova for him. Noesi? Phelps? Mitchell? Okay–then we’d be talking.

    But the other thing is I also think Cashman is going to wait 2 weeks for any deal to see what he has, and if Joba continues to show improvement, there just might be a surprise awaiting all the naysayers here.

  341. RayVT February 28th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    Hi Trisha!

    Everyone looks bad on an 0-2 count against a average to great pitcher. Jeter is no exception. I think the problem jeter has had is based on his lunging or jumping into the ball and getting beaned so often. He has fought thru hand injuries, wrist injuries and knee injuries. The new stance should allow him more opportunity to get out of the way from being hit as much. I like the new approach. I believe Jeter will be more like the 2009 version or even the early 2010 version before he IMO was hurt.

    Those same minions that are trying to get the Yanks to get Liriano are the ones saying Jeter is finished. They are both pipe dreams from diehard RSox fans.

  342. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    It’s entirely silly, IMO anyway, to even be discussing trade right now. Better to try to figure out what you do have before you assume that there’s something that you need.

    JMOOC

  343. UnKnown February 28th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    Jorge is hot with the bat. Like really hot.

  344. Cashman needs to go February 28th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    blake February 28th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
    Unless Liriano is being a problem in the clubhouse or is hurt, I don’t see why the Twins would be looking to move him now. They should have a shot in that division …..doesn’t add up.

    **********************************

    its probabaly a combination of not staying healthy/a bit of a malcontent(i don’t know about that except what i’ve read) and they probably don’t want to make the same mistake they did with santana (ie – waiting too long to trade him when all teams know they won’t be able to afford him and will trade cr@p for him the way the mets did for santana)

  345. ac1 February 28th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    The ONLY way i would ever trade Banuelos or Betances is for JJ or Felix. They both look like they are going to be monsters.

    NExt year we could be seeing: CC/Hughes/AJ/Banuelos/Betances?

    I would be excited to see that though i dont think that will be the 2012 starting rotation.

  346. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    Nothing wrong at the present time with the starters in ST so far. Only pitching issues are with those what aren’t close to ready for the big time. The next two turns through the rotation will tell them what they need to do. Even for some of you, it’s a little early to be looking for a tree, ledge or bridge.

  347. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    If Liriano is deemed healthy by the Yankee doctors/medical staff and they don’t have to give up too much for him, i.e.. Joba and a couple of others, no B’s — you do that deal in a heartbeat. When healthy he has ace stuff and he’s a lefty.

    The health evaluation and risk determination is the key IMO.

  348. m February 28th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    I’ve also heard stories about Liriano, but I doubt he’d be a problem here.

    Wasn’t there talk here yesterday that the sox would have a hard time agents lefties?

    Isn’t CC our only lefty?

  349. G. Love February 28th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    trisha,

    I’ll agree to disagree with you on Girardi’s loyalty. Last year it was apparent that Cano should be moved up in the order and Tex moved down.

    It was more than apparent that Jeter was killing the team as a lead off hitter. At a deep point in the seaosn he was hitting in the .260′s and not getting on base. It’s not out of the realm to say the reason he didn’t move them was based more on the hit it would cause their ego’s than on the book he keeps so close to him.

    As for Farnsworth, Girardi almost cried when they traded him for Pudge. He had no say in the loyalty department there. Jorge was injured and we needed a starting catcher better than Jose Molina.

  350. BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    ac1 February 28th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    The ONLY way i would ever trade Banuelos or Betances is for JJ or Felix. They both look like they are going to be monsters.
    ________________
    I wouldn’t do either deal. TO me, Felix has thrown too many innings at too young an age. I can see significant arm troubles in 1-3 years. And as much as I love JJ, I would rather have these two kids round out the staff and have them under cheap control for 5 years.

  351. RayVT February 28th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    G. Love February 28th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    IMO Liriano is a high risk high reward type of pitcher. He looked very good at times last year. If he is healthy I would like him as the #4 starter. He is not better than Hughes IMO.

  352. Joe from Long Island February 28th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    G.Love – boy, you’re in a mood, and it’s only game 3 of ST, lol….

    As far as trading for Liriano goes, I agree with others, that for the Twins to do that, with him having more years on his contract, something’s up. Maybe I’m just too suspicious, but that’s what I’d be afraid of. Is it that his shoulder was sore last week, and they’re covering up something? I don’t know.

    Yes, if Joba is the centerpiece, with maybe Adam Warren, yeah, that sounds ok. A middle reliever and AA SP for a lefty like Liriano, yes. But, why would Minnesota do that deal? Especially if he’s OK, why would the Twins let him go for anything other than, say, Betances/Banuelos? Would you still do that deal?

  353. mick February 28th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    Aren’t some of Kim Jones questions an insult to our intelligence and the player as well.?
    She asked Montero how he broke his bat and got a single.
    I don’t get what her bosses are thinking.

  354. G. Love February 28th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    trisha,

    If Gardner bats leadoff, it’s less of a problem of Jeter hitting in a GIDP in my eyes. If Brett gets to 1b, he should take off and have the green light. Then Jeter can’t GIDP and even could sac Brett over to 3b from 2b so our 3-4 hitters get up with a runner on 3b. It would be good baseball strategy to play it that way and I think there would be less pressure on Jeter to get on base and more pressure to move the runner over which he is actually good at.

    I hope Joe makes this kind of switch this season. I don’t want to see Jeter demoralized and hitting 9th. I think he’d make an excellent 2nd hitter with the way he knows how to have a professional at bat.

  355. BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    m February 28th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    I’ve also heard stories about Liriano, but I doubt he’d be a problem here.

    Wasn’t there talk here yesterday that the sox would have a hard time agents lefties?

    Isn’t CC our only lefty?
    ___________________
    I’d rather wait for Santana or a Gio Gonzales…I just think Liriano’s arm will fall off this year.

  356. mick February 28th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    IMO Liriano is a high risk high reward type of pitcher. He looked very good at times last year. If he is healthy I would like him as the #4 starter. He is not better than Hughes IMO.
    ==============
    Agree ‘cept I’d want him as our #2.

  357. m February 28th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    It could be that the Twins are trying to mitigate their risk with Liriano. The question is why the Yankees? Can’t see them helping us in any way. If Liriano is on the block, then surely their would be other suitors.

  358. Joe from Long Island February 28th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    mick – her bosses are the ones who pick the questions. Same thing for Suzyn Waldman. It has been acknowledged that the TV/radio guys don’t want anything even remotely controversial, so this is what you get.

  359. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    Ray, hi! But there are certainly some hitters who are infinitely better than others on an 0-2 count. Think Albert Pujols, also if I am not misremembering Bobby Abreu! Icharo Suzuaki. There are hitters who do a much better job of hitting when behind in the count than others. It isn’t a knock on Jeter if he isn’t one of them. I definitely don’t think he is.

  360. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Ichiro is not human.

  361. 108 stitches February 28th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Some players get labels attached to them unfairly. Ivan Nova for example is supposedly a concern of getting past the 5th inning because how what he showed in 2010.
    In fact, by the time he had been summoned from AAA to take some of Pettitte’s innings, he had pitched a sufficient amount of innings at AAA and was beginning to tire.
    This year he starts off fresh and with less workload than he saw last year.

  362. Vineyard Yankee February 28th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    The Twins will never do Joba for Liriano straight up. Unload the farm to get Liriano ? No way, Cashman is sticking to his plan of patience and letting the farm develop. IMO, Liriano is a risk not worth taking.

  363. pat February 28th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    NYDNHarper Teixeira on Banuelos: “If u told me that was Johan Santana out there today, I wouldn’t argue with u.”

  364. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    “If Gardner bats leadoff, it’s less of a problem of Jeter hitting in a GIDP in my eyes. ”

    While on paper I would definitely agree with you, it appears to me that Brett does not have really good baseball instincts. What was weirder than seeing him stand on 1B in situations where the Yanks were crying for runs, and not go? I don’t know if you can teach that stuff, but I know Ellsbury has it. With his speed (Gardner’s), that’s a killer to watch.

  365. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    “Ichiro is not human.”

    True that.

  366. G. Love February 28th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Joe from LI,

    I don’t think the Twins would ever do that deal. I think they’ll ask for Nova, Joba and Betances for Liriano and that will be that and Cash will hang up on them.

    There’s just no way they would deal him cheaply unless they know his arm is about to fall off which in that case, it’s impossible to deal him since he won’t pass a physical.

    That said, the mere idea that Joba could be a centerpiece of a Liriano deal if true would make the Yankees have to make that deal provided the cost after Joba wasn’t extreme. If the Yankees think Joba is a middle reliever and they can trade him for a good starter you have to do it. I do really think the Yankees are screwing it up with Joba and he should be given a chance to start. After watching Colon take the mound for us the other day (and hearing Girardi praise him, ugh), I can’t imagine how the Yankees aren’t pushing Joba to the rotation.

    I’m in a mood because I still believe that the weakest link on our team is our manager. He’s sensational with the bullpen but when it comes to moving the lineup around and putting players in the position that maximizes their effectiveness, I think he lacks courage to do what he has to do.

    Hopefully, this is the season he steps on some toes if he has to.

  367. m February 28th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Santana is old(ish), expensive, and not healthy. And will cost prospects.

  368. RayVT February 28th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    mick February 28th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    LOL! A healthy Liriano is a good pitcher. I’d use him 3rd or 4th because CC is LH at #1 & PH RH #2 & maybe Liriano or a LH at #3.

    It really doesn’t matter much if everyone pitches well. I think AJ will have a very good year this year. He was off to a great start last year until the black eye thingy & a certain Pitching Coach was sent for a 30 day breather.

  369. mick February 28th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Joe from Long Island February 28th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    mick – her bosses are the ones who pick the questions.
    =====================
    Wow! Are they out of touch.
    I think some have jobs because they think men like to look at them.
    I’m gonna get it now…

  370. Fran the original February 28th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Mel,

    Good point. Nobody wants to help the Yankees.

  371. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    “Some players get labels attached to them unfairly. Ivan Nova for example is supposedly a concern of getting past the 5th inning because how what he showed in 2010.
    In fact, by the time he had been summoned from AAA to take some of Pettitte’s innings, he had pitched a sufficient amount of innings at AAA and was beginning to tire.
    This year he starts off fresh and with less workload than he saw last year”

    And that is exactly why you should definitely be in a wait and watch posture right now with all of the players.

  372. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Aren’t some of Kim Jones questions an insult to our intelligence and the player as well.?
    She asked Montero how he broke his bat and got a single.
    I don’t get what her bosses are thinking.

    Side line reporters can’t make waves. They ask questions designed to get positive answers or the mildest of negative responses. Kim Jones is smart when she isn’t a side line reporter. Its the job not the woman.

  373. champ809 February 28th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    I two would prefer to build a trade package around Nova as opposed to Joba.

    I would offer the twins Nova/David Adams + DJ Mitchell for Liri if the meds checkout.

    CC
    Phil
    Liri
    AJ
    Freddy/ to start the season with the hope that Brackman is ready to take over after the ASB

    and I still have Warren,Noesi,Prior and Phelps in Scranton just in case.

  374. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Jeter grounds into double plays no matter where he bats. If he bats leadoff and gardner bats 9th, he will have gardner on base 40% of the time he comes to the plate. Its not going to stop him.

    He hit into 20+ DP hitting 1st, and 20+ DP hitting 2nd. He is a DP risk because of who he is , not where he bats. If you bat Jeter 2nd and Gardner 1st it solves the rest of the lineup, no worrying about Swisher or Granderson in the two-hole.

  375. RayVT February 28th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    You are very right of course Trisha. But most aren’t. Jeter when he was younger was great on an 0-2 count.

  376. mick February 28th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Wasn’t Gardner a walk-on in college?
    Perhaps he is still learning the game…
    Get Henderson here to teach him how to steal.

  377. BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    G. Love–

    A lot of people here were calling for Joba to come out and say he wanted to start in the off-season. Like he should have a PR campaign or something.

    I think Joba is now conducting his PR campaign to start by coming into camp much stronger, with a stronger shoulder, and better mechanics. He is letting his pitching scream out that he wants to start, and if he continues to blow hitters away and get stretched out, I think he will be changing some minds in the FO and dugout.

    Accordingly, I don’t think Cashman does a Joba trade until he rides this one out to see what is going on with Joba.

  378. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Wasn’t Gardner a walk-on in college?
    Perhaps he is still learning the game…
    Get Henderson here to teach him how to steal.

    He knows how to steal, get coaches in here to refine his abilities.

  379. m February 28th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Fran,

    Especially since the Twins always lose to us in the playoffs. Wasn’t their last playoff win vs us by Santana? 1992 or something?

    My point is that tweet was a little to good to be true.

    But… Where there’s smoke there’s usually fire!

  380. Vineyard Yankee February 28th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    m February 28th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Santana is old(ish), expensive, and not healthy. And will cost prospects.

    ——————-

    Pass, thank you. Couldn’t have said it better.

  381. BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Mick–

    The guy I would really love to see hired is Davey Lopes as first base coach. Hopefully he will available when Mattingly gets canned (when not if–it always happens).

  382. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    G Love, I kissed the ground when Jeter got moved out of the 2 hole. Should it have been somewhere other than leadoff? Well coming off the season he had in 2009, you couldn’t really argue for that. I thought it was totally responsible to move him to leadoff because he was nevertheless killing the team with his GIDP. So that move was a smart move. Now? I guess you owe it to him to see if his hitting picks up. If it does, I don’t see him as a liability leading off. I still fear him in the 2 hole unless he somehow stops grounding out.

    There’s time to wait and watch.

  383. RayVT February 28th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    I agree on Gardner. I was trying to figure out what he was thinking about several times last year with his passivity on 1B. He does appear to be more mechanical than knowledgeable. I hope he improves which I am sure he will.

  384. Joe from Long Island February 28th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    G.Love – I agree, anytime you can trade a middle reliever as the centerpiece for a SP, you do it. The thing is, I can’t imagine anyone taking that deal for the starter.

    As far as Girardi praising Colon, I’m not surprised. What, he’s going to say my player was mediocre – or worse? Joe’s didn’t direct that at fans (though we all heard it), he meant it for Colon’s consumption (I couldn’t resist the double entendre). I see it as Joe trying to get his players’ confidence up, and to gain their confidence. What benefit would result from Joe talking him down? That’s what Ozzie Guillen does, and I don’t think it works so well with the White Sox.

    If Joe takes Colon north with the team, then I’ll think different. Until then, I don’t take something like that seriously.

    Heck, Terry Collins said yesterday he’s giving Ollie Perez another real chance to make the rotation. Does anyone really believe that?

  385. m February 28th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    I believe that Gardner was just too cautious. As he gets more comfortable (he’s only played one full season in the majors) and secure re: his spot on the team, I think he’ll take more risks.

    He’s also handicapped because they know he’s a threat. It’s not like he’s going to catch anyone sleeping.

  386. SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    What if doesn’t have to “step on toes”, per se?

    If Jeter and Tex bounce back, he doesn’t have to tinker with the BA.

    As far as acquiring Santana, there are two chances the Yankees acquire him……slim and none.

    He’s more of a health risk than Liriano, makes a ton of money (the Mets don’t have any money to put toward the deal), and it’s a PR disaster to the ultimate degree to trade him to the Yankees.

    Since they are laying off half their ticket office, they will lose whatever fans they have left if they trade Santana to the Yankees.

    If the Twins are realistic, there is a match with the Yankees to do a deal.

    If they aren’t, the Yankees are perfectly willing to pass.

    Especially if their young arms continue to impress.

  387. BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    m February 28th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Santana is old(ish), expensive, and not healthy. And will cost prospects.
    ____________________
    He’ll be 32 this year, and for his style of pitching, he should have several years left if healthy.

    Because he is expensive, it will not take a lot of blue chip prospects to acquire him if the Mets are conducting a fire sale due to their finances.

    And of course, he has to show he is healthy before you trade for him. I think he will be fine…the guy is a warrior and will bust his tale to get back.

    If you have seen him pitch in NY, you know htis guy is the type of fighter/warrior that the Yankees love. He wants the ball in big games, and when healthy, he produces on the big stage. I think his contract is a better pickup than signing Cliff Lee.

  388. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
    “No way we would get Liriano for just Joba.”

    I took that more as a “would you do it” than anyone thinking it would actually ever happen that way. Maybe I’m wrong.

    ///

    Liriano is a stud. Joba could be one, but the team that owns his rights has lost interest in his potential. If Joba is going to waste away in middle relief, and the Yanks can get Liriano, a young lefty moreover, who is a strikeout machine, well hell yes, bring Liriano to the Bronx and set Joba free. Of course, I agree with YF, that we’d have to give up more. You can thank the Yankees for that. They’ve devalued Chamberlain down to next to nothing. It would really depend IMO what ELSE Minny would want in return.

  389. Carl February 28th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    Anyone have Velo reading on Manny/CC?

    I know it’s early but I would love to know thanks.

  390. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Yanks r not getting santana from the mets, common sense.

    on liriano, has there been any reports from the twins that they are indeed willing to deal liriano.
    like to have a confirmation of that in the first before we go crazy with why, whom or why not.

  391. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Once again I would like to point out that Gardner steals about as often as Carl Crawford.

  392. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    ManBan with the prodigious outing :D . Chad, did AJones have any chances out in right? How did he look out there?

  393. SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Joba isn’t making any campaign to start.

    In fact, the opposite is true.

    He’s emptying the tank on every pitch now. In other words, that’s a relief pitcher, not a starting pitcher’s mentality.

    Fans can’t let go of the Joba starting dream. The Yankees have already let gomof it.

    He isn’t being worked or used to start.

    If Cashman has to deal him in a package for a #1 or #2 type of starter, he would do it in a NY minute and not look back.

  394. RayVT February 28th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    In 2008 when Jeter batted 2nd, Damon was the leadoff guy and his legs were not able to steal or hit & run as much. Damon could steal a base mind you, but he is a lot more fragile than Gardner. Gardner should be going almost every time (90%) he is on 1B without a runner on 2B. Gardner’s speed is such that it would take a special throw & a pitchout/fastball for the catcher to handle it. This would give Jeter more opportunities to hit & run too. I think Jeter should at least bat 2nd against RHP & leadoff against LHP with Gardner moving to 9th against LHP.

  395. m February 28th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    You make a point about it not costing much in prospects, but Santana’s still not the pitcher he was 4~5 years ago.

    And shoulder surgery!

  396. Carl February 28th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    93 and hit 95.

    Thanks.

  397. BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Regarding Gardner not running as much as everyone wanted–

    I recall him talking about that last year and saying he was physically taking a toll from running so much, but would prepare himself to do more this year. Also, with the way he slides, stealing is very tough on his wrist–which would also explain the decrease.

    I also expect he will run more this year with a better conditioning program, a healthy wrist, and more knowledge.

  398. SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Scouts had Manny at 92-93, with one FB hitting 95.

    CC sat pretty steadily at 92.

  399. m February 28th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Jerkface,

    And at a fraction of the cost. Love that part of the equation.

  400. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Gardner steals 25% of the time he has an opportunity when on base for his career. Crawford is at 26%. Ellsbury is at 30%. a 5% difference is 20 stolen base attempts over Gardner’s entire career.

    Though these numbers don’t take into account the amount of times the ‘opportunity’ was an open base at third instead of 2nd, which players are less likely to go for.

  401. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    mel, what kind of handicap does Ellsbury have? Or Michael Bourn or Carl Crawford or Juan Pierre? Everyone knows they’re threats too but they make it to second base and beyond more often than they don’t. The reason is because they have great instincts on top of the speed. They know when to take off. I personally don’t know if that’s something you can teach but I sure hope it is. It would be one heck of a waste if Brett doesn’t get it figured out.

  402. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    as far as stolen bases goes, i just want to know if gardner can if the situation dictates him to do so. the sheer numbers is not that important as in much of the threat that he can pose. His obp, high contactibility and p/pa is what makes him an ideal leadoff guy.

  403. BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    SJ44–We’ll be tracking the Santana prediction to see how well you do. I will go on record saying I think he will be available and can be had. Whether we acquire him or not will be up to Cashman and what he feels he wants to do.

  404. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Gardner should be going almost every time (90%) he is on 1B without a runner on 2B.

    No one steals 90% of the time. Thats unrealistic and you’ll only end up disappointed. Gardner should be making steals that impact the game, not stealing willy nilly given the chance for injury and that he might be thrown out. Right now Gardner is a very EFFICIENT base stealer and I don’t want him sacrificing efficiency for volume when every caught stealing hurts more than a stolen base helps( especially in the yankees powerful lineup)

  405. SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    BTW, there is absolutely no evidence the Mets are conducting a “fire sale” of any kind.

    They really can’t since if they decrease the value of the franchise to any degree, it negatively impacts their ability to find investors or sell the team outright.

  406. 108 stitches February 28th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    I’ll go out on a limb and say that Daniel Turpen and Robert Fish are not in Yankee plans and will be among the group of the 1st cuts in mid-March.
    :)

  407. champ809 February 28th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    The trick here is that Joba is not just a “middle reliever”…he’s being used in that role but his ceiling is still much higher.

    The fact that the Yanks are being lazy in handling and developing him right now is an error on their behalf.

    The Yanks feel that Nova’s ceiling is as a #4 type internally no matter how much they talk him up right now. On a championship caliber team he’s a 4/5 starter.

    Joba’s talent ceiling is more front of the rotation type starter and if he were traded to the Twins the league would see it as I suspect they would send him to AAA and convert himback into a starter in their player development system.

    I’d build the trade around Nova as I suggested in an earlier post and were I Girardi I wouldn’t use Joba as a 1 inning guy but rather as my multiple inning guy and rebuild him that way. In the beginning I’d want Joba to be able to give me 50-60 quality pitched when needed and if needed. I’d want to build the stamina for that but most importantly consistency in his delivery.

  408. Carl February 28th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    # SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Scouts had Manny at 92-93, with one FB hitting 95.

    CC sat pretty steadily at 92.

    Thanks

  409. Cashmoney February 28th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    is there any evidence that Liriano is on the block from the twins?

  410. m February 28th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Good point trisha. But as jerkface pointed out there’s not a huge disparity in their attempt rates. I’m sure Sux fans are just as irritated that Elfberries doesn’t steal more often.

  411. BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Joba isn’t making any campaign to start.

    In fact, the opposite is true.

    He’s emptying the tank on every pitch now. In other words, that’s a relief pitcher, not a starting pitcher’s mentality.
    ________________
    Again, I respectfully disagree. Joba was throwing slow curves and sliders as well as fast balls in his appearance the other day. In other words, almost his full starter repertoire.

    I don’t beleive in ever saying never in baseball. Time will tell.

  412. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    mel, what kind of handicap does Ellsbury have? Or Michael Bourn or Carl Crawford or Juan Pierre? Everyone knows they’re threats too but they make it to second base and beyond more often than they don’t.

    As I just pointed out, Gardner steals at the same rate as Crawford. Gardner’s SB% is 85, Ellsbury is 82%. Crawford’s is 82%.

    Bourn steals 25% of the time he has an opportunity, same as Gardner, and does it less efficiently at 82%. Pierre steals 24% of the time at an 75% efficiency. The only reason you think these players steal more is because they have more PA and you don’t watch every game where they stand on first not stealing.

  413. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Champ I don’t disagree with you and I have a feeling you are going to see him building up in innings as long as he continues to be effective.

  414. SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    It’s not going to be “up to Cashman” to decide about Santana. That’s the Mets call and you can bet the Mets aren’t trading him to the Yankees.

    Go back in time and see how many deals the Wilpon’s have done with the Steinbrenners.

    It has no chance of happening.

  415. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    The only way the Yanks get a reasonable deal on Liriano is if the NYY starters all do well in ST and it doesn’t make them look desperate for a deal.

  416. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Pierre last year had 150 more PA than Gardner because Gardner is sitting in the 9 spot getting deprived of up to 162 PA a year. He should be batting leadoff. He’d have added 14 more stolen bases to his total last year if he batted leadoff.

  417. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
    Joba isn’t making any campaign to start.

    In fact, the opposite is true.

    He’s emptying the tank on every pitch now. In other words, that’s a relief pitcher, not a starting pitcher’s mentality.
    /////

    Um, why wouldn’t he approach outings like a reliever? Why would he be pacing himself for imaginary innings ahead?

    Fans can’t let go of the Joba starting dream. The Yankees have already let gomof it.
    ////
    The Yanks are going to continue to be second guessed on this one.

    He isn’t being worked or used to start.
    ////

    Um, right. That’s why they’re going to continue to be second guessed.

    If Cashman has to deal him in a package for a #1 or #2 type of starter, he would do it in a NY minute and not look back.

    ///No ****. And he should deal him, because how long can the Yanks and their fans beam over a guy of Joba’s talent when he shuts down that 6th inning? Having him around, especially if he can repeat his delivery and his velocity keeps rising, is just a reminder of what a stupid decision they made. If he’s traded, other teams will see a young starter they can develop.

  418. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    You would have had to be blind – or more concerned with keeping stats and not your eyes on the player – not to have seen the number of times Gardner DID NOT take off when he should have/could have and when the team needed him to. It was a problem. He does not have good instincts in terms of knowing when to steal. Period.

  419. BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    BTW, there is absolutely no evidence the Mets are conducting a “fire sale” of any kind.

    They really can’t since if they decrease the value of the franchise to any degree, it negatively impacts their ability to find investors or sell the team outright.
    ________________
    Once again, I will disagree respectfully.

    I think the most significant proof that fire sales will be conducted is who they hired as GM. Alderson has done the fire sale drill twice before and knows how to do it.

    Also, read the papers about their financial condition. They have taken out a $25M loan–which is very rare. Fay Vincent discusses how rare in a recent article that you can google.

    The Wilpons owe over $1B in debt, with underperforming assets in real estate, stadium sales revenue, and perhaps tv network revenues.

    There will be a fire sale. If I were a betting man, I’d bet money on it.

  420. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    The only way the Yanks get a reasonable deal on Liriano is if the NYY starters all do well in ST and it doesn’t make them look desperate for a deal.

    Certainly Nova and Colon’s debut has helped a bit, and if they keep it up maybe the price goes down further! If AJ can keep his friendly fire to a minimum, maybe Cash can wrangle Liriano for a package more in line with what the Phils got for Cliff Lee (which is to say nothing)

  421. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    You would have had to be blind – or more concerned with keeping stats and not your eyes on the player – not to have seen the number of times Gardner DID NOT take off when he should have/could have and when the team needed him to. It was a problem. He does not have good instincts in terms of knowing when to steal. Period.

    So you’re saying Juan Pierre and Carl Crawford have poor instincts? Interesting.

  422. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    “Good point trisha. But as jerkface pointed out there’s not a huge disparity in their attempt rates. I’m sure Sux fans are just as irritated that Elfberries doesn’t steal more often.”

    What time period are we using to gauge these “stats”? Certainly not last year, mel, when Ellsbury played with broken ribs the short period of time he did play.

    There is no fan of the Sux who does not genuflect at Ellsbury’s image in terms of the way the kid steals bases. He is nothing short of phenomenal.

  423. SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Joba’s ceiling isn’t of a front of the rotation starter.

    It’s not 2007.

    Think about it.

    The Yankees have a need for starters and they aren’t giving Joba a look.

    It’s not because they aren’t being or stupid. It’s because they don’t feel he can hold up physically over 200 innings.

    If you want to disagree, that’s one thing.

    To say though his ceiling is of a front of the rotation starter is incorrect.

    Teams don’t view him that way anymore.

    If it was, he would be used as a starter by the Yankees right now and/or would be a hot trade commodity, given the dearth of starters in MLB.

  424. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Gardner is safe more often than Ellsbury, that is phenomenal. Without ‘instincts’ he steals as much as Carl Crawford, the consensus best base stealer in the game, phenomenal.

    The numbers I posted were for career. Keep in mind Gardner hurt his wrist before the 2nd half last year, and he slides hand first.

  425. m February 28th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    I think it’s fair to say that Gardner didn’t go every rime he should or could have, but I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that he has poor basestealing instincts.

    In fact he created some postseason magic this past year?

  426. JS February 28th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    SJ-

    Did you get to see Banuelos? What did the scouts have to say?

  427. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Again, I respectfully disagree. Joba was throwing slow curves and sliders as well as fast balls in his appearance the other day. In other words, almost his full starter repertoire.

    I don’t beleive in ever saying never in baseball. Time will tell.
    ////

    Bojo,

    He’s gonna use what he has to get outs. And he’s “emptying the tank” because he knows he’s in there for one inning.

  428. BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    m February 28th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    You make a point about it not costing much in prospects, but Santana’s still not the pitcher he was 4~5 years ago.

    And shoulder surgery!
    ________________
    THe type of surgery he had is similar to TJ surgery where they replace a worn ligament with a stronger one. From what I have read, he will be back stronger than before. I’d take the chance if he shows up healthy in July.

  429. tyanksfan36 February 28th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Trisha

    I think this year Gardner will be better at stealing, last season he was still getting used to pitchers around the league. He was tied with Crawford who is always a base stealing threat. Yeah he needs to get better with it but I don’t think he was that bad.

  430. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    I think it’s fair to say that Gardner didn’t go every time he should or could have,

    No runner does, which is the conundrum.

  431. RayVT February 28th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Absolutely!

  432. m February 28th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    I was under the impression that people in Boston hated Ellsbury. Or maybe that was the Red Sox.

    I’ll defer to you re: Ellsbury since you live in enemy territory. :)

  433. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    The Yankees have a need for starters and they aren’t giving Joba a look.

    It’s not because they aren’t being or stupid.
    ///

    Wow. I agree 100 percent with that: not giving Joba a look is not because the Yanks aren’t being stupid. QFFT.

  434. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    mel, I hope nothing more than he figures it out. Believe me.

    And by the way, let your eyes rather than some cold stats guide you in these things. You usually do that anyway. I guess I’d need to know whether the times the speedsters were thrown out – or didn’t attempt – were when Andy Pettitte types were on the mound, or whether it was more like Wang. If someone is going to throw out stats they need to do better than spit out bottom lines without going deeper. I never play that game.

    But I have watched Brett frozen in place and I have watched Crawford and I have watched Ellsbury. No comparison in instincts. Brett at this point appears too timid. Maybe he just needs to do a better job of figuring out pitchers’ timing, etc.

  435. BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    It’s not going to be “up to Cashman” to decide about Santana. That’s the Mets call and you can bet the Mets aren’t trading him to the Yankees.

    Go back in time and see how many deals the Wilpon’s have done with the Steinbrenners.

    It has no chance of happening.
    ______________
    I strongly disagree. Completely different circumstances.

    Wilpons were never before in this financial bind, and Alderson will have to find creative ways to get rid of debt. If he offers Santana and Perez as a package deal (like Marlins did with Beckett and Lowell), there are very few teams who will be able to pick up the tab.

    You are looking things from a myopic point of view…times are changing with the financial issue being a huge point of differnece.

    Will you be right, or me? Time will tell..not your “statements of fact” on February 29, 2011.

  436. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    You guys are exhibiting confirmation bias. You are ignoring the times Gardner does something successfully to focus on the few times you thought he failed. While ignoring that every other base runner would have the same issues if held up to such scrutiny.

    Ricky Henderson, best basestealer in history, only stole 32% of the time he had a chance. Not 50%, not 90%

  437. champ809 February 28th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    SJ

    I’d be willing to bet that if the Yanks were to trade Joba to another team the team that receives him would convert him back to SP and send him down to the minors to stretch him out and refine him up to do it.

  438. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    My eyes told me Brett Gardner had nearly 50 steals in only 570 PA. Give him 700 PA at the 1 spot and see those numbers get up into the 60s and 70s.

  439. RayVT February 28th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    Nope! They have much better instincts! They still when they need too. Gardner was put in to PR even and basically told to run & he didn’t go. Gardner is faster than the other guys too boot. I think it is entirely teachable and Gardner should improve. He has the main tool of speed which isn’t teachable.

    When checking those stats about percentages of times on 1B and attempting to steal 2B was this for only when 2B was empty? BTW, Gardner did bat leadoff quite a bit last year against some RHP. He also rested more than Crawford as well which means he should have a higher ratio.

  440. m February 28th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Ellsbury may be a phenomenal basestealer, but he’s far from a phenomenal center fielder, and that comes from a red sox blog.

    Gardner (if I’m not mistaken) is one if the better outfielders defensively. I like Gardner overall, and I truly believe he will continue to improve at this level.

  441. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    mel, well they do kind of hate Ellsbury now, but it has nothing to do with his speed or lack thereof. There was a lot of consternation last year, much of it led by the big mouth of Pukelis, because Ellsbury went down early in the season and instead of staying with the team, he went and rehabbed whenever the Sux rehab – hell? Well Pukey started a lot of crap by questioning why Ellsbury wasn’t around, how long it was taking him to come back, etc., and then used little Petey as an example of someone who was rehabbing but “where he should be.” So then the reporters started asking Ellsbury questions and he said the doctors said he wasn’t ready to come back and felt it was unfair of the team to be implying that he was dogging it. It really was awful. I felt bad for Ellsbury.

    So here’s what happens. In the next few weeks Ellsbury comes back and hurts himself all over again out of the chute. He reinjured his ribs and when they went to x-ray him they discovered that he hadn’t fully healed.

    I don’t often feel sorry for any Sux player but I thought they really did him dirty with the insinuations. So that’s where all the bad feelings were coming from. Of course when comments were made in the clubhouse, the fans took right up after them.

  442. m February 28th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    Of course, people will trade for Joba the starter. Phil Coke is starting. Phil Coke!

  443. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    champ809 February 28th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
    SJ

    I’d be willing to bet that if the Yanks were to trade Joba to another team the team that receives him would convert him back to SP and send him down to the minors to stretch him out and refine him up to do it.

    ///
    um, duh. Billy Eppler doesn’t make THEIR decisions :(

  444. SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    If you want to believe Fred Wilpon will trade Santana tom the Yankees, be my guest.

    It’s never going to happen.

    He can trademhim tom the Angels, Cardinals, Braves, Marlins, and about 5-6 other teams if he was conducting a “fire sale” and not alienate his fan base as he would if he traded him to the Yankees.

    It’s never going to happen.

    JS,

    Scouts love Banuelos and Betances. They are legitimate, top of the rotation prospects who just need innings at this point.

    By no later than July of 2012, both will be in the Yankees rotation IMO.

  445. m February 28th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Yes, the Sox screwed up with Ellsbury. Kind of funny how Beltre managed to injure two of their outfielders.

  446. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Cashman On Pitching Market: “Nobody’s Available”
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [February 28 at 4:11pm CST]

    Yankees GM Brian Cashman told Wallace Matthews of ESPNNewYork.com that no matter what you’ve heard about Francisco Liriano or anyone else, the Yankees aren’t pursuing trades for starting pitching (Twitter link). Starters may be in demand, but the Yankees say the best pitchers aren’t on the trading block.

    “I’m not talking to anyone about anything right now,” Cashman said. “Nobody’s available. Nobody of value, anyway.”

    Liriano definitely has value. He’s making just $4.3MM next year and is under team control through 2012. Last year, the left-hander posted a 3.62 ERA with 9.4 K/9 and 2.7 BB/9 in 191 2/3 innings. Liriano has fully recovered from Tommy John surgery to regain the form that he showed as a dominant 22-year-old rookie in 2006.

    Though USA Today reported that the Yankees are watching Liriano, Twins assistant GM Rob Antony recently told Jesse Lund of Twinkie Town that the club isn’t discussing trades involving Liriano.

  447. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Nope! They have much better instincts! They still when they need too. Gardner was put in to PR even and basically told to run & he didn’t go. Gardner is faster than the other guys too boot. I think it is entirely teachable and Gardner should improve. He has the main tool of speed which isn’t teachable.

    When checking those stats about percentages of times on 1B and attempting to steal 2B was this for only when 2B was empty? BTW, Gardner did bat leadoff quite a bit last year against some RHP. He also rested more than Crawford as well which means he should have a higher ratio.

    You cannot tell me the number of times Gardner was put in to pinch run and did not steal. I can tell you its less than 5. The stats I posted was when Gardner was on 1st or 2nd with the next base open. And as for batting first, he got in 25 games in the 1 spot but that wasn’t my point. My point is that overall he did not get many plate appearances because he did not hit at the top the lineup.

    Crawford hits 2 or 3, Juan Pierre hit 1. Both had way more PA than Gardner. You have to look at all the factors.

  448. SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Champ,

    Pat M will back me up on this.

    There isn’t a team either of us talk to, and we know a lot of people with a lot of teams, that see Joba as a starter.

    Are they lying? Well, every team that talked to Cashman this winter about trading for him saw him as an answer to either their closing or setup issues.

    The consensus around the game is that scouts don’t see him as a starter at this point.

  449. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    If a player hits 9th, he can miss up to 162 PA on the season that the 1st batter will get. Every player gets 3 PAs if they play the whole game, but then every time you turn the lineup over after that you’re not guaranteed anything. If the Yankees only get enough hits/walks and the game ends with everyone getting 4 PA except for Gardner, he lost a PA. And the 9th spot is the most at risk to lose out because it becomes increasingly more difficult for the batters ahead of him to keep reaching.

    That is why Gardner should hit 1st. He will get 700 PA and his high on base means more PA for every hitter after him, including the 9th guy. Its win-win for the team.

  450. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    m February 28th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
    Of course, people will trade for Joba the starter. Phil Coke is starting. Phil Coke!
    ////

    You mean to say they’re not just goin to take the Yanks’ word for it that he’s washed up as a starter at age 25? Even though he has a slider/curve/change to go with his heater??If the Yanks were the old Kremlin,they’d just “remove” that page in Joba’s history (2008) when he showed what he’s capable of as a starter.

  451. SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Billy Eppler also didn’t makemthe decision to keep Joba in the bullpen.

    His was one opinion. Not the only opinion.

  452. West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    I totally agree with SJ44 on this one.

    There is no way a Santana to the Yankees deal gets done, not a chance.

    Liriano if healthy would be a good acquisition IMO as long as we don’t have to give too much away.

  453. BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    If you want to believe Fred Wilpon will trade Santana tom the Yankees, be my guest.

    It’s never going to happen.
    _________________
    If I’m wrong, you can point it out in July. Likewise.

  454. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Ray, great points, and here’s another reason I will believe my eyes over cold stats. I can guarantee you that with a Buster Posey behind the plate as opposed to Jason Varitek, runners on first are going to be a lot more hesitant to run. They would run more on Posada than on Jose Molina. So we have no way of accounting for the percentages of time that someone like a Michael Bourn would attempt to steal on Posey as opposed to someone like (just take as an example Gardner) might stand frozen in place with Varitek behind the plate. I KNOW what I watched in terms of attempts to steal with Gardner. People like Michael Bourn and Carl Crawford and Ellsbury attempt to steal on everybody because their instincts are that good and they are that fast.

    I also believe what you are saying about Gardner getting better at it.

  455. SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Phil Coke doesn’t have Joba’s medicals. Big difference.

  456. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    They would run more on Posada than on Jose Molina. So we have no way of accounting for the percentages of time that someone like a Michael Bourn would attempt to steal on Posey as opposed to someone like (just take as an example Gardner) might stand frozen in place with Varitek behind the plate. I KNOW what I watched in terms of attempts to steal with Gardner. People like Michael Bourn and Carl Crawford and Ellsbury attempt to steal on everybody because their instincts are that good and they are that fast.

    You think you know. The truth is somewhere else. So Michael Bourn steals ‘on everybody’ but still only manages to steal as often as Brett Gardner? Are you suggesting Gardner only steals in garbage time to pad his stats and hides in crunch time? Because he steals as much as Crawford or Bourn.

  457. Vineyard Yankee February 28th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    SJ44–We’ll be tracking the Santana prediction to see how well you do………….

    ——————–

    Just for the record who is ‘we’ ? ?

  458. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    Of teams he has more than 100 PA against, Bourn steals the least against the Cardinals, one of the teams he faces the most with the best catcher. He steals the most against the Pirates, a team with terrible catchers.

  459. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
    Billy Eppler also didn’t makemthe decision to keep Joba in the bullpen.

    His was one opinion. Not the only opinion.

    ///
    He and stick-up-his-butt Eiland were both against Joba bein a starter, even when Cashman was still on the other track.

  460. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
    Phil Coke doesn’t have Joba’s medicals. Big difference.
    ///

    Do you perchance mean that shoulder of Joba’s that’s being held together by a string? The one he, the player, said there is nothing wrong with?

  461. m February 28th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    The Yankees don’t develop starters in the majors. Sad, but true. They also don’t want to hand 2-3 spots to unproven kids. They got a look at Joba in 2008, and didn’t like what they saw. Could he start now? Maybe, but I’m not going to get hung up over it.

  462. Jerkface February 28th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    17 of Crawford’s steals came against the Yankees or Red Sox in 2010, the worst CS% teams in the league. No more than 4 against any other team.

    But I guess he steals on everyone? Base stealers take advantage of teams that don’t defend against steals. They may take an opportunistic base against a good defensive catcher but even the best base stealers won’t run wild on them.

  463. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
    Phil Coke doesn’t have Joba’s medicals. Big difference.
    ////

    And FTR, Phil Coke (nice pitcher) doesn’t have Joba’s talent.

  464. BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    SJ44 February 28th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    The consensus around the game is that scouts don’t see him as a starter at this point.
    ___________________
    I italicized the key point.

    Joba has just devoted his winter to strenthening his shoulder, and if indeed he shows a consistent delivery and higher velocity, it’s a new ballgame. Scouts and clubs will change their minds.

    I have seen too many examples of players shifting opinions based on stepping up their performance. To say that he is forever what he was last year seems incredibly short-sighted to me.

  465. BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    m February 28th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    The Yankees don’t develop starters in the majors. Sad, but true. They also don’t want to hand 2-3 spots to unproven kids. They got a look at Joba in 2008, and didn’t like what they saw. Could he start now? Maybe, but I’m not going to get hung up over it.
    _______________
    I’m not asking you or anyone else to get hung up over it. I’m just stating what I believe could happen, and hope will happen. And I disagree with the opinions of people who are citing the past info as a perfect indicator of future events. Things change in baseball all the time.

  466. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    m,

    Didn’t like what they saw in 2008? I think you mean parts of 2009? 2008 he had a stretch of dominance as a starter.

  467. Nick in SF February 28th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Joba may or may not ever start again over here :arrow:

  468. 108 stitches February 28th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Chamberlain’s starting point is RIGHT NOW as a reliable 6th or 7th inning man and build from that. He’s well aware of what his role and standing is as of today.
    It’s in his hands.

  469. RayVT February 28th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 28th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Also using career stats versus prime stats of individuals or even current ones would be more appropriate.

    Rickey Henderson stole 108 bases one year & was caught only 18 times. (He had 622 PA)

    In Rickey’s 1st full season he stole 100 bases & was caught 26 times in 722 PA. Note he was on 1B a total of 267 times and he attempted approximately 126 SB attempts & was successful 80% of the time. In other words he attempted to steal 50% of the time. (I don’t know how many times there was a runner on 2B.)

  470. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    To say that he is forever what he was last year seems incredibly short-sighted to me.
    ///

    Bojo, it is incredibly short-sighted, and it’s just the Yankee party line. For some mysterious reason, they have closed the door on this guy, even to the point of the GM publicly criticizing Chamberlain for his weight gain, when reality shows he’s in much better shape than he’s been in in a long time. It’s just weird.Meanwhile, the pitching coach has only positive things to say, and the two men are “on the same page” with JC having revived his earlier habit of lowering his hands before the new mentor could make the same suggestion. Meanwhile, the partyline sinks to the bottom of the river when we actually get to see Chamberlain, throwin easy, lookin in control, and with the FB back to having the late life that disappeared for a year and a half.

  471. BoJo February 28th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    :arrow: To be continued.

  472. Vineyard Yankee February 28th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Santana is owed almost $ 100 million dollars for the remaining 4 years of his contract. There is a possibility that he may not pitch at all in 2011.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09.....ntana.html

    Whether the Mets are having a fire sale or a rummage sale I doubt that Cashman & Co. will be interested in Santana with his recovery in doubt and he being owed $ 100 mil.

    Why in the world would Cashman be interested ? The NYY system has plenty of ‘young’ prospects that are close to being ready. Follow thru with the patience plan.

  473. 4 NYY February 28th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Can Jo Vasquez make this team ?


Sponsored by:
 

Search

    Advertisement

    Follow

    Mobile

    Read The LoHud Yankees Blog on the go by navigating to the blog on your smartphone or mobile device's browser. No apps or downloads are required.

Advertisement

Place an ad

Call (914) 694-3581