Familiar names coming to Steinbrenner Field
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 05, 2011 
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Word is that Bryce Harper is on the Nationals traveling squad for today’s game in Tampa. Former Yankees Ivan Rodriguez and Jerry Hairston Jr. are also supposed to be on the trip. Chad Gaudin is starting for the Nats.
The Yankees have their own top prospect back in the lineup.
Brett Gardner LF
Nick Swisher RF
Curtis Granderson CF
Jorge Posada DH
Eric Chavez 3B
Jesus Montero C
Eduardo Nunez 2B
Jorge Vazquez 1B
Ramiro Pena SS
CC Sabathia
“This needs to be said.
Cashman and co. deserve a tremendous amount of credit for building up the Farm. They have done a great job in a relatively short period of time. ”
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randy almost, sort of, kind of said the same thing yesterday which speaks volumes about how excited people are with the team’s prospects.
i hope randy didnt hurt himself…
Ys,
Totally agree…
blake, that’s a tough one. but there is something to say about homegrown ace and at least the pride it brings to me as a fan, as well as the pleasure to watch them grow. I am under no illusion that Ban is felix now or ever will be. But the, he has the making of very good one.
the there is the secondary stuff with money saved and reallocation of resources.
I was very impressed by Banuelos last night. I haven’t been that excited since 2007/2008 when Hughes was making noise as a prospect.
Betances looks pretty damn good too!
Cashmoney,
In.a straight up deal I think you would have to do it but it would take more than that with him being this far from free agency. He’ll become a free agent about the same age CC did….you could wait and have them both or wait until its closer to that time.and get a better price.
The future so bright, I gotta wear shades.
I just hope I have to keep them on.
It’s hard not to get hazard about Betances and Banuelis. I’m really looking forward to seeing more of Brackman in camp. 6’11″ with his skills is pretty imposing.
does anyone know if the game is on 880 radio?
Supposed to be jazzed – iPhone robotype.
Yes, the game is on WCBS.
blake
1. I don’t think Felix is available
2. if he was, the price will be exorbitant
3. I have no problem of not winning it all every year if that means developing a legit pitching staff from within.
I rather wait for him to hit FA in that case then… plus too many things can happen btw now and then.
Awesome thanks!
looking forward to hearing a “jesus saves” call by sterling!
Rich
I think the future can be always bright if we stick to building a strong farm system and having the right talent evaluators at helms to do so. Combine with our financial resources that’s a winning formula for the Yanks.
The thing to take from last night is that it is unfortunate that appendectomy is a R*d S*x fan .
Now some want to again trade the blue chippers for Felix ? Hilarious, let the kids finish their development and come up to the big club to replace some of the deadwood there.
Cashmoney,
Agree on all counts.
E.R — Ruby douche bag, didn’t you get run over by that speeding truck ? You really need to tie that anchor securely around your neck and take that long walk off the short pier. Soon your boyfriends Beckett, Lackey and Dice K will either be on the DL or have ERA’s over 5.
I think, for the Yankee fans centered in reality, it’s acceptable to not win it all every season as long as you can see progress in what the organization is trying to accomplish.
i think if the talents are legit, ppl would not mind to let it develop. As much as the Yanks in the business selling a winning and ‘legend’ brand. The root lies within having superb talents to begin with. Jeter,Mo and co were great players the rest came later.
The Yankees put themselves in a position to make the post season every year and once there anything can happen. What’s most important is that the organization is set up to be competitive long term with prmarily self reliance ….I think that’s what they are trying to.accomplish. If you continue to rely on other teams to fill holes then over time the payroll creeps up and eventually you bust.
Manny is untouchable, I think even for Felix – not that it matters as Felix is unavailable.
I hope the Yankees don’t do what they did with Phil and stop this kid pitching at 5 innings. What’s that going to teach Manny? When he gets to the big leagues, he’s going to hit that brick wall at 5 innings because he was never allowed to go past that. If they have a limit on him, I think it’s better to just start his season late or give him a break in the middle of the season, so that Manny is not constantly being stopped and started.
It sucks that today and tomorrow are not on YES – I’d like to see Phil and CC.
Is todays game on.mlb.tv
Going into the 2012 season will be a true test of patience & development vs. opportunity to win now for the organization.
3 Bs, Montero as full-time catcher, etc.
If the Yanks dont win it all this year, AJ has another 2010 and rotation depth is still a concern, there will be a massive demand for the Bs in the majors.
It doesn’t matter if there is another “massive demand” – the Yankees have to do what’s right for all pitchers involved.
# Betsy March 5th, 2011 at 10:26 am
It doesn’t matter if there is another “massive demand” – the Yankees have to do what’s right for all pitchers involved.
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True they have to do what’s right for the pitchers but when it comes to the Yankees winning trumps development more often than not.
It makes sense that the key to winning more often than not is balance. A strong farm system that develops players like Cano, Montero and Banuelos, in combination with selective free agent signings and trades to fill positional holes where they might exist. (Granderson, Swisher, etc.) Our financial situation makes that possible.
The reality is; and Mark Newman touched on this, is that the team drafts the best player on the board at the time, regardless of position or team need. (The same would hold true internationally). This can result in an imbalance at certain positions in the system. We’re loaded with pitchers and catchers; a bit weak in position players.
It’s always a little harder for the Yankees; winning results in lower draft picks. That’s why the success the Yankees have had developing players recently has been so impressive.
A challenge ahead will be the 2011 draft which is loaded with good prospects, one of the best drafts in a long time. The Yankees have (2) picks in the top (100) – the Red Sox have (5), the Rays have (12) and the Jays have (7).
despite what gb and sj said im predicting that manny b makes at least 3 starts for the yankees this year.
Odds, then the Yankees deserve whatever they get if they rush Banuelos or Betances…………..
I don’t care how Cashman is offered, I do not part with the “Killer B’s”. This could very well create the best SP rotation in MLB in the very near future, and we can proudly say, Home Grown!
It’s time to start thinking of position players that will be needed in the next 2-3 years, pitching should not be a concern.
All of you that laughed at Colon may have to eat crow, he looks good.
Odds, then the Yankees deserve whatever they get if they rush Banuelos or Betances…………..
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Multiple people including our starting catcher say Banuelos can pitch in the majors right now. He wouldn’t be rushed.
I don’t care what Cashman – not how
This thing about ‘rushing’ is always a contentious topic it seems. Pitchers bodies are still developing until they are around 24-25 and it makes sense to try and minimize the possibility of serious injury by limiting their innings and increasing their workload incrementally.
That’s what they will do with Banuelos and Betances, etc. and it’s absolutely the right thing to do.
Good morning –
Colon looked fairly good last night. With the issues some teams have with lack of SP, I wonder if one option for Cash would be – assuming Colon continues to impress – to sign Colon to a ML contract (presently, if he doesn’t make the team he can walk), and then trade him. Cardinals, perhaps?
Chip, I mentioned a possible trade. You around out there?
The young pitchers may have the ability to pitch at the ML level now, but, they need to get innings in the MiLB system before moving up.
Back later.
sometime during the season if he’s pitching well, someone in the rotation will go on the dl for 2 weeks and they will need someone for 2 starts. thats when id like to see the b’s come up and show thier stuff then get sent back.
but only if they are outpitching noesi, mitchell warren and co. i dont think there’s anything wrong with bringing kids up to get a look when you have a short term need.
A good way to get the day started :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq-S8CIU7VA
Jerkface, he doesn’t have enough innings – I think he needs to stay in the minors the whole season…..MAYBE bring him up in September.
Against All Odds March 5th, 2011 at 10:28 am
# Betsy March 5th, 2011 at 10:26 am
It doesn’t matter if there is another “massive demand” – the Yankees have to do what’s right for all pitchers involved.
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True they have to do what’s right for the pitchers but when it comes to the Yankees winning trumps development more often than not.
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Odds, if the Yanks are smart, they will ride the viral buzz created by fans actually now having seeing Banuelos and Betances by keeping Joefan who doesn’t get to the MiL games in the loop about their progress.
That way, Joefan,normally happy to remain ignorant & a skeptic about anyone who isn’t already in the majors, stays in touch with their development off of having seen them flex how special they are, and even if the going gets rough in the Bronx, there will be fan pressure to NOT trade off these guys for a quick fix. I think seeing is believing, and most people hadn’t seen either pitcher until now. Seeing is believing, and now nearly everyone who roots for this team either saw them excel or heard somebody raving about them at the water cooler at work.
Instead of “give ANYONE up for Felix” it’ll be “Don’t give Manny or Dellin up for ANYONE” which has already happened even here in this blog,from some of the same guys who were including their names without a thought in fantasy trades.
Seeing is believing.
Al is exactly right.
It’s not only gaining the experience pitching baseball games in the minors, it’s increasing the innings gradually each year to minimize the chance of injury. It’s going to be different for every pitcher somewhat based on how well they do.
I think AL EAST has four really bright GMs.
“It’s not only gaining the experience pitching baseball games in the minors, it’s increasing the innings gradually each year to minimize the chance of injury. It’s going to be different for every pitcher somewhat based on how well they do.”
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its really amazing that the pitchers who came up prior to the verducci theory kept thier arms attached!
but this is the era of the verducci theory and because of that, you are wrong, it will not be somewhat or even a little bit dependent on how well they do. they (manny and dellin b) will not go over thier preset innings period.
however this does not preclude them coming up for a spot start here and there
Im not going to argue with the fact that Manny could use more innings in the minors but as far as development goes Im not sure what else he needs to do. He’s matured physically, he has good command, and can throw 3 pitches for strikes in any count. A lot of teams would have him In their rotations right now I think…….that’s not the Yankees MO though and that’s ok. He looks ready to me though from a pitching stand point.
Speaking of prospects, Braves got ex-yank RHP Arod Vizcaino back into action for the first time since he had that surgery for the elbow ligament & he had a nice outing, retiring 6 of 7 & topping out at 97,pretty impressive off the kid’s first appearance. If he stays healthy, he’s got a bright future. Too bad it’s not with the Yanks
Blake, it’s obviously all about the innings….and those are extremely important. It’s great that he’s ready in terms of his development – he seems more ready than any of the Yankees’ previous “big 3″..
YsGuy. I mean if a pitcher isn’t doing as well in the minors and another – he may stay longer and pitch more. For instance, working on a third pitch, etc. I wasn’t talking about Betances and Banuelos – I was referring to all pitchers.
All of you that laughed at Colon may have to eat crow, he looks good.
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He pitched against a AAA team last night.
Let’s see him do it at minor league level, doubt he beats out Garcia.
Interesting thought re: Colon. I think he does have an opt out if he doesn’t make the team though in which case he could use that and sign whereever he wanted. But if he keeps pitching like this then he can help someone this year whether her its the Yanks or not……
I can’t wait til Mitre is gone!
Mitre is our ragamuffin do with as we please guy.
Long man, occasional start, whatever. Good to have one of those around.
Betsy March 5th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Odds, then the Yankees deserve whatever they get if they rush Banuelos or Betances…………
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They have been down that road before we all know that.
mick, he just bugs me, it’s a personal thingie.
cash, he is hard to root for, very placid, stoic.
he is like the personification of dead fish handshake to me. well… let me stop.
Aceves bugs me.
Other than traveling with the team in September and sitting on the bench, talking with Sabathia and Rivera, it serves no purpose in having Banuelos being promoted to the Yankees. He’ll be at or beyond his innings limits. Bringing Banuelos up and putting him in the rotation would stress the bullpen because of the short innings starts.
Patience is hardly the generic Yankee fans best attribute.
I think the reality is that Banuelos and Betances have great upside potential but they are not going to be pitching in the major leagues this year.
Betances has pitched 85 innings in 2010 and 44 in 2009.
Banuelos has pitched 64 innings in 2010 and 109 in 2009.
WC – both ETAs are 2012. Unless they get hurt, they’ll be here next season. Both don’t have real “3rd pitch” obstacles, so I do see the Yankees bringing both aboard, all things being equal.
Betsy,
Its just how you look at it. I don’t think there is any concrete evidence out there that says you need to throw x number of innings in the minors before you are ready for the big leagues.
The Yankees way of doing things is what it is and Im not saying it’s wrong but innings are innings no.matter where you throw them. 150 innings in NY is really no.different than 150 innigs at Trenton. The big difference to me is whether you are ready to throw those innings in the big leagues….if you are, then I think a case can be made that you are wasting them at Trenton. Again, just playing devil’s advocate. Im fine with how they do things, but its.not the only way.
Colon has really not been stinking. He might make it tough for the front office to figure this out, obviously a good problem to have so far. I know it’s early but he looked sharp last night.
GB, that’s true…………
# J. Alfred Prufrock March 5th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Against All Odds March 5th, 2011 at 10:28 am
# Betsy March 5th, 2011 at 10:26 am
It doesn’t matter if there is another “massive demand” – the Yankees have to do what’s right for all pitchers involved.
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True they have to do what’s right for the pitchers but when it comes to the Yankees winning trumps development more often than not.
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Odds, if the Yanks are smart, they will ride the viral buzz created by fans actually now having seeing Banuelos and Betances by keeping Joefan who doesn’t get to the MiL games in the loop about their progress.
That way, Joefan,normally happy to remain ignorant & a skeptic about anyone who isn’t already in the majors, stays in touch with their development off of having seen them flex how special they are, and even if the going gets rough in the Bronx, there will be fan pressure to NOT trade off these guys for a quick fix. I think seeing is believing, and most people hadn’t seen either pitcher until now. Seeing is believing, and now nearly everyone who roots for this team either saw them excel or heard somebody raving about them at the water cooler at work.
Instead of “give ANYONE up for Felix” it’ll be “Don’t give Manny or Dellin up for ANYONE” which has already happened even here in this blog,from some of the same guys who were including their names without a thought in fantasy trades.
Seeing is believing.
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Very well said seeing is believing because you’re right many fans have never seen them pitch or if they did it was 20-30 secs of a youtube clip. They are definitely the buzz in camp right now and you can tell Yankee fans are excited about the future. They just need time to develop properly and be allowed to do so once they join the club.
Blake, I don’t believe in just looking at innings either, but there’s no point in starting him in the majors when he’d kill the pen because he’d have to be pulled after 5. That doesn’t help the team at all.
I also don’t even believe that just because you throw an “x” amount of innings, it means you’re ready. If you don’t have sufficient pitches to get major leaguers out, you’re not ready even if you throw 700 innings in the minors.
It doesn’t matter who Colon faced last night. He had good stuff and was hitting his spots.
That’s the most important thing to take away from his outing.
Hopefully, the Yanks can find a way to keep him even if he doesn’t make the big club right away.
No such thing as too much pitching.
Colon did look good, ton of movement. Colon at his best trumps Garcia, but the FG has a more consistent midline. Colon is a bit more risk/reward.
Didn’t Aceves sign with Boston?
J. Alfred Prufrock March 5th, 2011 at 11:03 am
WC – both ETAs are 2012. Unless they get hurt, they’ll be here next season. Both don’t have real “3rd pitch” obstacles, so I do see the Yankees bringing both aboard, all things being equal.
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I agree, that’s what will happen and it’s the right thing to do. Ideally, they will both get their innings in, avoid injury, receive ample individual attention and come to camp next spring ready to pitch in the rotation.
It should be more than interesting in 2012 – especially if Nova pitches really well this year. You will have Sabthia, Hughes and Burnett — with Banuelos and Betances, maybe Brackman and Nova. Great problem to have.
For all those who want to bring Manny Banuelos to the big team just keep this in mind……He’s the same age as Phil Hughes was when he was called up minus the innings….So for all those who were against this then you should be completely against Manny in the Bronx……In my mind he needs another season in the minors……
Don’t fall in love with Colon…
mick yes aceves did. if he remains healthy this year with them, that will annoy me
What is the rush with Banuelos?
Odds – The Thunder are smartly tryin to ride the wave to bring guys into Waterfront. I’ve gotten emails touting the B Boys already, but since they open on the road, I don’t know if either kid will be held off just to headline at home for the home opening skein, unless they decide to go that route.
Great NCAABB match up tonight – Duke vs UNC for the ACC title.
Colon so far in camp has been a great showcase for how important command is — and the difference between throwing strikes and throwing quality strikes. If he can keep throwing that two-seamer that starts at a lefties hip and then catches the plate freezing the hitter — that would be huge.
I don’t think the yanks are feeling pressure to rush him, it’s just too bad the timing is a yr off for both of those kids. If AP had done it for another yr he’d be walking away as those two were heading to the Bronx.
GF, the way people are talking on here, the problem isn’t having too few pitchers, it’s having too many pitchers. Somehow, by March 31st, it’ll all shake out.
BeholdArNo March 5th, 2011 at 11:14 am
mick yes aceves did. if he remains healthy this year with them, that will annoy me
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Will it annoy you because you don’t want Aceves to be healthy, or the fact Cashman refused to give him a ML contract and thus he left?
Betsy,
Why would he have to be pulled after 5 innigs though? I think my point is that building innings and development don’t necessarily have to be the same thing. The whole issue with pitchers and innings limits is so arbitrary anyway…..I understand them, just wish there was a way to better individualize it. I don’t think everyone needs the same development track. This is more generally speaking…..again fine with how they are handling Banuelos. They certainly know more about him than I do…
big al it will annoy me because aceves is a very good pitcher when healthy, and many other teams were interested in signing him, yet he chose where he chose to sign.
oops, Blake, I got confused……..you’re right, he wouldn’t have to be pulled, but I still prefer to see him get his innings in in the minors
It should be more than interesting in 2012 – especially if Nova pitches really well this year. You will have Sabthia, Hughes and Burnett — with Banuelos and Betances, maybe Brackman and Nova. Great problem to have.
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Pitching can be fragile, even fleeting, so the numbers game is a comfort rather than a problem. I’d really love to see ABrack somehow sneak into the rotation picture THIS season, & he might if his change keeps evolving & someone missteps. My hope is that if someone does, it’s not Nova. The fact is, the idea of Garcia for the long haul is fine. What worries me is Garcia as my No. 4 in the postseason. I’d rather see one of those live arms in that spot, assuming no trade is made.
Did Aceves sign with Boston to tweak the Yankees?
Losing Aceves last season was a big reason the division was lost.I was very sorry to see him go, having watched him when he got to Trenton all the way to his role in the ’09WS. I cannot wish that guy any ill will & would have liked the Yanks to keep him. I guess they won’t be showing that video in the Bronx anymore of him strumming his guitar & serenading with song. Pleasant signing voice, too.
# mick March 5th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Did Aceves sign with Boston to tweak the Yankees?
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I would guess to say it was the sox pushing this to tweak the Yankees and not something Ace was looking for specifically. Hard to see Ace having a problem considering the Yankees gave him his shot and he’s been hurt the last 2 years.
BeholdArNo March 5th, 2011 at 11:19 am
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Alfredo could have signed with the Mets, or others, but, he wanted to stay in the AL East, and he wanted a chance to show Cashman he was wrong. The Red Sox made him the best offer, and he wants a chance it stick it to Cashman. Can you blame him for being annoyed at the way Cashman treated him, afterall, he did contribute to the team well, and had he been a more established player, they would have re-signed him.
Alfredo was asking the same salary he had prior, $435,000, and a ML deal, Cashman said no way to both. The Red Sox offer him $650,000 if he pitches at the ML level, plus bonus money.
Please remember, this is how he makes a living, its not just a sport, so he needed to do what’s best for him. The Yankees were given every opportunity to sign Alfredo, it was Cashman’s decision not to.
mick -
Aceves was hurt in 2010, not 2009.
Brackman grew an inch – he’s now 6’11″. I’m really excited about him. Great mechanics and consistent 92-96 heat, high 70′s breaking ball and a good change.
# BIG AL March 5th, 2011 at 11:29 am
mick -
Aceves was hurt in 2010, not 2009.
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Point being?
“GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Other than traveling with the team in September and sitting on the bench, talking with Sabathia and Rivera, it serves no purpose in having Banuelos being promoted to the Yankees. He’ll be at or beyond his innings limits. Bringing Banuelos up and putting him in the rotation would stress the bullpen because of the short innings starts.”
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your other arguments were cogent, this is more bogus. you’ve only given a reason why he cant pitch in september after (we assume) he’s thrown his # of innings.
also nova and burnett were the one buring out the bp last season, if manny or whoever stepped in to that spot, he wouldnt be taxing the bp.
the pitch development, youth, etc are all legit, this is pretty thin.
JAP -
You may be correct, but I see Nova as the #4 SP.
AL, the only issue with Alfredo Aceves I think is the roster space and the Yankees needed starters and not relievers. It was uncertain whether he could be ready and I’m not sure Aceves could be a 5-7 inning starter any more. Just my opinion, though.
mick -
You wrote Alfredo was out/hurt the last 2 years, and I just pointed out he got hurt at the beginning of last season, and was fine ine 2009, thus your saying he was hurt the past 2 years was incorrect.
Let Banuelos ply his trade in AA then AAA and maybe , if needed, he can pitch for us down the stretch and even a playoff game, who knows.
G AL March 5th, 2011 at 11:35 am
mick -
You wrote Alfredo was out/hurt the last 2 years, and I just pointed out he got hurt at the beginning of last season, and was fine ine 2009, thus your saying he was hurt the past 2 years was incorrect.
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You got the wrong guy Al, wasn’t me who said any of that.
I would love to see Warren, Noesi and Phelps impress in 2011 along with Romine. They could be valuable trade chips down the road. Roster space and other better players will ‘probably’ preclude them making an impact in New York.
GB7 -
Cashman told him he was not willing to give him a spot on the 40 man, until he could prove he could pitch, dispite the fact Alfredo told him he was healthy, came back much sooner than expected from his left shoulder surgery, and was willing to throw for the team and take a full physical to prove his point.
The Red Sox did their job, had him throw 3 bullpens, and take a full physical, and they were more than satisfied at what they saw.
Ys Guy March 5th, 2011 at 11:31 am
“GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Other than traveling with the team in September and sitting on the bench, talking with Sabathia and Rivera, it serves no purpose in having Banuelos being promoted to the Yankees. He’ll be at or beyond his innings limits. Bringing Banuelos up and putting him in the rotation would stress the bullpen because of the short innings starts.”
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your other arguments were cogent, this is more bogus. you’ve only given a reason why he cant pitch in september after (we assume) he’s thrown his # of innings.
also nova and burnett were the one buring out the bp last season, if manny or whoever stepped in to that spot, he wouldnt be taxing the bp.
the pitch development, youth, etc are all legit, this is pretty thin.
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What’s thin is you continuing to whine about it. Cashman and the organization is not pushing Banuelos, Betances or anybody else beyond the innings limits. NYY will be in the middle of a tight pennant race and trying to set up the proper rotation. Why is it so important to have him pitch in a couple of games? Just so fans can have their Christmas presents early?
mick -
My bad, it was Mike-Boston replying to you, sorry.
BIG AL March 5th, 2011 at 11:33 am
JAP -
You may be correct, but I see Nova as the #4 SP.
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Sure, I’d love that, because that would mean Brackman COULD be in (at 5). I think if Nova were No. 4 then they wouldn’t have Colon and Garcia (one of ‘em will be the 4 guy with Nova as No. 5 I’d imagine).
My thought, waaay to radical for the conservative Yanks of course, with Nova our 4 and Brack our 5. But if the older guys bomb and ABrack is progressing well at AAA, you never know.
I can see Banuelos coming up in September and throwing 6 scoreless at Boston in Fenway.
# J. Alfred Prufrock March 5th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Odds – The Thunder are smartly tryin to ride the wave to bring guys into Waterfront. I’ve gotten emails touting the B Boys already, but since they open on the road, I don’t know if either kid will be held off just to headline at home for the home opening skein, unless they decide to go that route.
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That’s smart of the Trenton Thunder to do that. Those kids are the main attraction right now and I’m sure fans will be dying to see them.
AL, it still fell to the fact that NYYs needed starters more than relievers. I don’t know all of the issues involved with him and the Yanks, but, that seems to me that it’s the case.
Aceves was more valuable in a bad bullpen than the one we have now.
Catch you all later, have a great.
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Cashman did try to swoop in and bring Aceves back at the last minute but I guess at that point Ace made up his mind to move on.
Aceves would replace Mitre, IMO. But Mitre you know will be there the entire season. Our bullpen is full.