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Saturday notes: Sabathia, Soriano, Brackman and Vazquez

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Mar 05, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Let’s just jump straight into the notes this time.

• CC Sabathia allowed five earned runs through 2.2 innings this afternoon. The Yankees other starters — including all four back-of-the-rotation candidates — have combined to allow one earned run through 18 innings.

• To line him up properly, Sabathia will get an extra day of rest at some point this spring, but it won’t come on the scheduled off day March 15. That will be Sabathia’s day to pitch, and rather than have him take a day off to pitch the 16th, Sabathia will throw a simulated game that morning. Joe Girardi actually apologized to the beat writers for making us come to the stadium that day.

• One last Sabathia note: Just in case you were concerned, Sabathia had reached his pitch limit, which is why he came out of the game in the third. He’s not hurt. Probably goes without saying, but had to make sure.

• Rafael Soriano will throw another simulated game on Monday. He could be in a game a few days after.

• Still no set-in-stone plan for Mariano Rivera. “He’s still a little ways away,” Girardi said. “He’s further away than Soriano.”

• Next time Andrew Brackman pitches, it will likely come in an actual game. “We were really pleased with his BP slash simulated game (this morning),” Girardi said. “He threw like 10 pitches of BP, then got three outs pretty quickly.”

• Nice game from Brett Gardner who had a double and a triple as part of that eight-run fourth inning. Both hits were legitimately driven into the corners, one to left field and the other to right. Gardner has three hits this spring, all for extra bases.

• Two more hits, two more RBI and one more double for Jorge Vazquez. It would be an upset if he made the roster — Eric Chavez’s left-handed bat is a better fit on the bench — but he’s forcing the Yankees coaching staff to take notice. “He’s definitely opening eyes,” Girardi said.

• Speaking of which, Chavez had his fourth hit of the spring and is hitting .364. “He’s swung the bat really well,” Girardi said.

• Dave Robertson and Robert Fish were the only Yankees starters to not give up a hit today — Fish went two innings without a hit — and Ryan Pope closed the game with one of the few scoreless innings. “When we made a mistake in the middle of the plate, they hammered it,” Girardi said. “We didn’t get away with anything today.”

• Those pitching problems started with Sabathia, but Joba Chamberlain didn’t do much to help. After cleaning up Sabathia’s mess in the third, Chamberlain was charged with two runs of his own in the fourth. “He threw the ball OK, and then it looked like he made a couple of mistakes with his fastball,” Girardi said. As far as I know, Chamberlain didn’t speak to anyone after the game. It’s not unusual for the big league guys — all but the starting pitcher — to get out of the park quickly as soon as they’re finished.

• The Nationals top overall draft pick Bryce Harper had two at-bats in the game. He grounded to first against Daniel Turpen, then single to right against Romulo Sanchez. “It’s pretty amazing to be 18 years old and be doing what he’s doing,” Girardi said.

• Looking back through Cervelli’s history of spring injuries I found this post from almost exactly one year ago. Funny that, at this time last year, Cervelli was hurt and Girardi immediately dismissed the idea of Jesus Montero making the team. Veteran Mike Rivera was next in line. This year, Montero has become the favorite, and the veteran Gustavo Molina is strictly emergency insurance.

Associated Press photos of Sabathia, Gardner and Montero with Girardi

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201 Responses to “Saturday notes: Sabathia, Soriano, Brackman and Vazquez”

  1. blake March 5th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    The Tar Heel victory fixed Lohud! hooray

  2. Tar March 5th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Heels! :D

  3. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Word has it they found ground up Ruby Tuesday remnants in the LoHud server.

  4. Tarheel In NYC March 5th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    I’m a Tarheel born, I’m a Tarheel bred, and when I die, I’m a Tarheel dead! So rah rah Carolina-lina, rah rah Carolina-lina, rah rah Carolina-lina, GO TO H*LL DUKE!

    :-D

  5. blake March 5th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Tar,

    That’s the way the first game should have turned out…they are better than Duke.

  6. blake March 5th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    “I’m a Tarheel born, I’m a Tarheel bred, and when I die, I’m a Tarheel dead! So rah rah Carolina-lina, rah rah Carolina-lina, rah rah Carolina-lina, GO TO H*LL DUKE!”

    co-signed :)

  7. kd March 5th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    looks like chavez basically locked up a spot

  8. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    It was likely that it was a Tarheel operator that screwed it up in the first place.

  9. blake March 5th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Montero, Jones, Nunez, and Chavez sounds like a strong bench to me.

  10. Your Worst Nightmare March 5th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    UNC will find out that paybacks are a mother when next they meet.

  11. Jacob Ruppert March 5th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    blake
    I am a fan of neither team. Being objective, Duke is without Kyrie Irving; UNC shot 60% for most of the game. UNC was at home. You can’t expect a UNC team to beat the a better team, the defending national champions, on their home court. I’ve become used to reading logic from you.

  12. blake March 5th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    “UNC will find out that paybacks are a mother when next they meet.”

    ok…Heels have ran them off the court 3 out of 4 quarters, and they were supposed to be rebuilding this year.

  13. Jacob Ruppert March 5th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    UNC likely won’t make it past the Sweet 16. Duke, without Kyrie Irving, may also struggle to make it past the Sweet 16.

  14. Emerald Monday March 5th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    E.R – Ruby is pure filthy garbage. NYY will wipe the floor with his Sux.

  15. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Peter Gummin’ ‘ems views on Yanks. Not bad.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=nyy

  16. blake March 5th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    “You can’t expect a UNC team to beat the a better team, the defending national champions, on their home court. I’ve become used to reading logic from you.”

    what are you talking about….UNC is playing with 8 players. Lost the Wear twins before the season, Drew during the season, and now Bullock for the whole season. I didn’t expect them to beat Duke at home but they were in a position to and their youth showed in the 2nd half at Cameron. Duke lives and dies by the 3 like always and tonight they died.

  17. Your Worst Nightmare March 5th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    Can’t bring back yesterday, on to bigger and better things down the road including beating UNC and Roy.

  18. blake March 5th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    “UNC likely won’t make it past the Sweet 16. ”

    maybe not, but if Henson and Barnes come back they’ll be title contenders next year and they’ll scare some folks this year.

  19. Jacob Ruppert March 5th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    blake,
    None of those UNC players you mentioned hold a candle to Kyrie Irving. Duke died by the 3 tonight. With Kyrie Irving, they were a much different team. i.e. not a live and die by the 3 team.

  20. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    I’ll be a slight bit surprised if Nunez beats Pena for the last spot…I haven’t been impressed with his defense at all this ST. And I suspect that Giardi might want the steadier glove to spell Jeter and Cano.

    Figuring that that spot will only get 1-2 games a week (since Chavez will take the 3B spots when ARod rests), that means 6 to 8 at bats a week out of the 8 or 9 hole…Assuming Pena hits 225 and Nunez hits 275, that is barely 1 hit difference every two weeks.

    Yet, in the field, Pena can save probably a run or 2 a week over Nunez….He’ll be more valuable IMO, and get the last bench spot.

  21. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    The Irish will club all Tar Heels and Duckies with their sheleighlies

  22. blake March 5th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Jacob,

    true, but it’s really hurt their depth and the way they like to play that’s significant. They are a different team since Marshall took over.

  23. Tar March 5th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    “Duke lives and dies by the 3 like always and tonight they died.”

    Exactly. Again UNC exposed Duke’s achilles “Heel” ( :D ).

  24. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    BTW–all the bench players (except Montero) bring Gold Glove quality defense to the team…Chavez and Jones with actual trophies, and Pena with quality of play. The emphasis on defense seems big to Girardi–another reason I see Pena getting the spot.

  25. RhapsodyInBlue March 5th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Give the Heels some credit, they’re a young team who did a lot of growing this season.

    Roy Williams is a great coach.

  26. Jacob Ruppert March 5th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    blake,
    Marshall does look good. What year is he in? Good talking with you; have a great night Tarheel.

  27. blake March 5th, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    Marshall is a freshman….

  28. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    Pretty hard to tell how “unimpressive” he’s been if you’ve only seen Nunez on TV twice (10 innings)

  29. blake March 5th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Nunez is a lot better hitter than Pena.

  30. Tar March 5th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Your Worst Nightmare

    Actually your handle is fitting. Not only did Dook lose the ACC title tonight, but also a good chance at number 1 seeding. Ouch

  31. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Revenge for Cameron last month. God I hate Duke.

  32. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Nunez would be my choice. I want no part of Penas .227/.258/.247.504

    I saw too many zero at bats last year.

  33. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    Both have trouble at third base, but with Chavez, that’s no issue. With the stronger bat, Girardi can now give Cano a much needed day off once or twice a month.

  34. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    27 games and one error for Nunez in 2010.

    .280/.321/.360/.681

  35. Your Worst Nightmare March 5th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Tar March 5th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Life is a bi*ch and then you die, the game is over now it’s on to the ACC Tourney, perhaps they will meet again for a rematch then we will see.

  36. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    blake March 5th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Montero, Jones, Nunez, and Chavez sounds like a strong bench to me.

    ************

    It does to me too. I have to admit Cashman has done a good job so far. The results when it counts are to come – but I like what I see. No Randy Winns in sight.

  37. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    I wonder what Andruw Young has left in the tank. What a bonus that would be if he could still rake at times this year.

  38. Your Worst Nightmare March 5th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Winn, Nicky, Thames Javy where are they now ? Damn I miss those guys already……….long gone and forgotten.

  39. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    Andrew “Young” has been dead for years and never played baseball

  40. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    Damn – that’s really a shame about Domonic Brown breaking his hand. You hate to see any young ballplayer do that.

  41. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    LOL. The wine speaks! Jones-ing for another.

  42. Your Worst Nightmare March 5th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Andruw Jones ? I think that ‘tank’ is well below one quarter full.

  43. Tar March 5th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    “None of those UNC players you mentioned hold a candle to Kyrie Irving”

    Barnes and Henson could both go in the top 15 and maybe top 10. Henson has made incredible progress in his game from last year. He is a plus defender and the best shot blocker in the college ball right now. Barnes has ice water in his veins. He doesn’t feel pressure. Freaking Reggie Miller comes to mind.

    Meanwhile, Irving has a chance to be special player, but it won’t be for Duke.

  44. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    politically dead

  45. Doreen March 5th, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    No one seems overly concerned about Montero getting that foul tip on the hand. He seriously was ok after?

  46. blake March 5th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    The only reason you choose Pena over Nunez is if you just don’t think he’ll get enough playing time in NY and you want him playing every day.

    Tar,
    I was mentioning that the Heels were playing with 8 players and had lost the Wear Twins, Bullock, and Drew.

  47. blake March 5th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    “No one seems overly concerned about Montero getting that foul tip on the hand. He seriously was ok after?”

    Yes though I think the ball was rendered unusable afterward

  48. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Doreen, they looked at Montero’s thumb but nothing appeared wrong because he played pretty deep into the game. He ripped two solid drives, but, I think they’d better check Girardi’s heart. He isn’t supposed to play tomorrow, though.

  49. Betsy March 5th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    On another board, they are saying that Montero needs to do a better job keeping his hand behind his back when the ball is delivered, that if he doesn’t, he’s going to be susceptible to bruised or broken fingers.

  50. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    Pretty hard to tell how “unimpressive” he’s been if you’ve only seen Nunez on TV twice (10 innings)
    _________________
    No–he played last year in YS…saw him there as well.

  51. Tar March 5th, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    blake

    It’s kind of strange to not have that depth that Roy’s team always seem to have. Less margin for error. Knox has really stepped up, I like him.

    But I hate to say it, with some of them it was addition by subtraction.

  52. Jacob Ruppert March 5th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Tar,
    Technically, all the winner of the ACC regular season gets is the #1 seed in the ACC tournament. The winner of the ACC Tournament has thus won the ACC title. As I said, I am not a fan of either team, but I am very close with the Irving family. From knowing him and his father, his father is very much into academics. Irving chose Duke over Kentucky because of the schooling. He chose where his father wanted him to play over playing for his godfather, Kentucky assistant Rod Strickland. With his injury and with his father’s desire for academics, it would better suit him to remain another year in college. So far from what I am hearing, he will remain another year in college. However, if he does decide to come out, he still might be the number 1 pick in the draft, having played only 10 or so games.

  53. Your Worst Nightmare March 5th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Montero had the ball seam imprint on his hand and said he was fine.

  54. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    blake March 5th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Nunez is a lot better hitter than Pena.
    __________________
    So what–he’ll get maybe 4 ABs a week…hard to keep him fresh up on bench. I would opt to start him in SWB in case of injury to Jeter or Cano, so he gets his ABs.

    For the 4 to MAYBE 8 ABs per week (probably less) that the spot will get, Pena will be just fine. As I said earlier, the difference between a 300 hotter and even 200 hitter over 2 weeks will be one hit. But the difference in making a big defensive play might be with game on line in late innings.

  55. blake March 5th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Tar,

    Knox was a gift from up above….they needed him badly. Drew leaving absolutely was addition by subtraction….they could use Bullock though.

    Jacob,

    Can’t blame anyone for choosing Duke over Kentucky…..I don’t like them but do respct how K runs things and obviously it’s a great school academically.

  56. PhiltheThrill March 5th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    They might as well keep Nunez up, and though he might not get a lot of starts, he’ll probably finish a bunch of games where we have good leads.

  57. blake March 5th, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Bojo,

    Yea if you want the better player then you take Nunez….but if you want him playing every day to keep hum sharp and his value high then you let him play at SWB….I guess it will just depend on how much PT they could find him and what their goals for him are

  58. m March 5th, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    I missed the game and game thread, was it ugly? Not that it matters, it’s ST. We knew our starters couldn’t keep up the scoreless streak.

    Any recap/impressions are appreciated.

    Rupert,

    Is Irving staying in school next year?

  59. Jacob Ruppert March 5th, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    blake,
    That is very kind of you. I’d hate for you or anyone to think poorly of Kyrie or any Duke player because of where they attend school. Kyrie is such a wonderful young man.

  60. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Nunez was only up for two months last year, August and September (8 weeks) in the middle of a pennant race and appeared in 30 games, 13 as a starter with 50 total at bats.

  61. Your Worst Nightmare March 5th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    Nunez hit .280 last year and only made one error in 41 chances. It’s time for Pena and his ‘no stick’ to move on.

  62. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    PhiltheThrill March 5th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    They might as well keep Nunez up, and though he might not get a lot of starts, he’ll probably finish a bunch of games where we have good leads.
    _________________________
    That doesn’t make sense to me. If he doesn’t get playing time backing up Jeter and Cano, how can he stay ready in case of injury to either? It seems a better approach would be to give him playing time and both keep him prepared as well as give him more time to improve. It also builds up his traqde chip value just in case.

    Again, I will be surprised if Nune gets the last spot on bench.

  63. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Saw way too many games last year where Peña killed rallies with his awful hitting. The last at bats he gets the better. Nunez is more than adequate defensively.

  64. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    sp – less

  65. blake March 5th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Jacob,

    Most guys they recruit are….

  66. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Girardi may very well opt for Peña over Nunez. He’s the boss – it wouldn’t be my choice.

  67. m March 5th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    I’m not a big fan either way, but Nunez that much better offensively?

    And where dies Chavez fit in? Is it 2 spots for those three guys?

  68. Doreen March 5th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    m -

    You’re smart. I went back and tried to skim through the posts since this morning, since we were out all day. :)

    (Then came home and the blog was broken again – what’s going on???).

    All I got out of it was that Sabathia wasn’t great but wasn’t upset; Montero got hit by a foul tip and no one cares; and the offense showed up, but I have no idea if they won or lost. :) Oh, and we shouldn’t fall in love with Colon. :)

  69. Tar March 5th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Jacob

    Thanks for the info.

    I hope he turns pro, that should tell you what I think of him as a player.

    As you know it’s a big time rivalry here. A lot of smack talk. The proximity makes it real intense. Imagine Boston as a 6th borough.

    But anybody with half a brain respects Duke as an institution. And Coach K is unbelievable as well. Now if we just get rid of that annoying student body, everything would be perfect. :D

  70. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Again, I don’t care about the difference in hitting for players that won’t get enough ABs to make a significant difference. And they both PR well, so there is little differnece in my mind there.

    But hte big diffference to me is their glovework. Pena is a top quality defensive SS and 2B, with an excellent arm, and smarts.

    Nunez has a great arm, but I have seen him make several sloppy plays, not go back well on flys beyind the infield, and not be as quick on turning 2. IN tight games, if that spot has to go into the game, those types of plays can turn the game around more than one extra single from the 8 or 9 hole every 2 weeks.

  71. Doreen March 5th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    I hope Montero is okay tomorrow. I mean, Cervelli said he was okay immediately after, and he still was surprised, apparently, to find out how bad the damage was.

    But if Montero was able to hit later in the game, I guess that sounds promising.

  72. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    m March 5th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    I’m not a big fan either way, but Nunez that much better offensively? And where dies Chavez fit in? Is it 2 spots for those three guys?

    Here are their slash lines from 2010:

    Peña – .227/.258/.247.504

    Nunez – .280/.321/.360/.681

  73. PhiltheThrill March 5th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    Bojo,

    Jete’s over 35 and they might want to take him out of some games or rest him some. What’s more, I think Nunez might really respond to the job. His development has not been linear, but he does have a lot of talent. It will be an interesting challenge for him and he is a lot better than Pena, who shouldn’t be getting ab’s for a contending team.

  74. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    I think Giardi will give Nunez a lot of playing time at SS this ST to really prove the point in his own mind as to whether or not Nunez has enough glove.

    Anyway, enough of that. I’ve said my piece.

  75. blake March 5th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    If they can get Nunez enough PT to both keep him sharp and keep trade value intact then they should take him because he’s much better offensively both now and upside wise…..

  76. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    PhiltheThrill March 5th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    Bojo,

    Jete’s over 35 and they might want to take him out of some games or rest him some. What’s more, I think Nunez might really respond to the job. His development has not been linear, but he does have a lot of talent. It will be an interesting challenge for him and he is a lot better than Pena, who shouldn’t be getting ab’s for a contending team.\
    _________________
    Not to be rude–I’ll answer you.

    World Championship teams have a long history of carrying good gloves with weak bats for the important defensive positions (C, SS, CF). Carrying Pena as the 25th guy is more about protecting leads late and getting the sure out to solidify a victory than it is about having a #8 hitter get one extra single every 2 weeks.

  77. Your Worst Nightmare March 5th, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    Pena was an almost automatic out last year, I’m sure the Pirates can find a spot for him. Chavez, Jones Nunez and Montero sounds like a good crew.

  78. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    blake March 5th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    If they can get Nunez enough PT to both keep him sharp and keep trade value intact then they should take him because he’s much better offensively both now and upside wise…..
    ________________
    If Chavez is on the team, they can’t get him enough playing time. Cano plays almost every inning, Chavez will take his gold glove to every inning that ARod rests….leaves only Jeter as a sub, and only for spot duty.

    Again, if Jeter gets hurt, it would be best if Nunez is getting a lot of Abs in SWB to be ready.

  79. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Time will tell…no need to beat this to death.

  80. Rich in NJ March 5th, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    Like Cervelli, Pena was rushed in terms of his offense, and would benefit from some development time at AAA.

  81. Your Worst Nightmare March 5th, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    PhiltheThrill March 5th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    Good thought there. Jeter will benefit from some rest which will keep him fresh. If Girardi manages like last year that is exactly what will happen.

  82. blake March 5th, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    Bojo,

    That is the issue…..we’ll just have to see how they manage it. Pena is fine for defensive replacement after a pinch runner etc….but you really don’t want him playing a whole lot. He just can’t hit a lick…

  83. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    Rich – that makes sense but Nunez has played 6 seasons in the minor leagues, 656 games. He’s 25 this June.

  84. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    Rich–

    Pena is never going to be much more than a utility player on this team…and he will never be a huge trading chip. Development time of him is a waste IMO.

    I could go in stat mode and predict/explain why Pena will hit better this year because his BAbip was low last year (meaning he hit with bad luck on balls in play–especially compared to prior year), but it is late. Bottom line–I don’t think he was as bad as the base stats indicate, and I think he will increase his BA this year…enough to be a valuable late inning defensive replacement.

  85. Vineyard Yankee March 5th, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    Jeter will need to be rested. Chavez is no cinch to hold up with his prior back issues and having a guy who hit .280 (Nunez) will give Girardi the option to rest Cano if he needs to.

  86. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    Did you mean Nunez Rich or Peña?

  87. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    Doreen March 5th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
    m -

    You’re smart. I went back and tried to skim through the posts since this morning, since we were out all day.

    (Then came home and the blog was broken again – what’s going on???).

    All I got out of it was that Sabathia wasn’t great but wasn’t upset; Montero got hit by a foul tip and no one cares; and the offense showed up, but I have no idea if they won or lost. Oh, and we shouldn’t fall in love with Colon.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    That was Doreen’s Cliff Notes on the epic, “A Day In The Life Of LoHud”.

  88. m March 5th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    Could Nunez play SS on any other team? Even on a part-time basis?

    I don’t like the idea of trading away our best candidate to replace Jeter, in case something bad happens.

  89. Vineyard Yankee March 5th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    Maybe if Pena goes back to AAA he too can learn to play the corner OF spots and increase his value to the team. Nunez will be fine as a PR, his speed is good.

  90. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    No one is predicting that Peña is going to hit better this year. He can’t hit. Five years in the minor leagues with a slash line of .255/.315/.320/.635

  91. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    Pena didn’t hit in bad luck. He hit with bad swings.

  92. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    m March 5th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    Could Nunez play SS on any other team? Even on a part-time basis?

    I don’t like the idea of trading away our best candidate to replace Jeter, in case something bad happens.
    _____________
    If Jeter gets run over by a truck, Cashman is on the phone getting another SS IMO. I don’t see being solid enough defensively to be full time Yankee SS. He still is young enough to improve (I guess), but Cashman and Giardi love a solid dependable glove at SS to make all the tough plays and DPs. They won’t tolerate a so-so defensive player there IMO.

  93. PhiltheThrill March 5th, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    I see no reason why the 25th man shouldn’t have some value. Especially when it’s a prospect who’s getting up there a little like Nunez. Maybe being around the major leaguers will really get him going.

  94. Vineyard Yankee March 5th, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    Ok, when Pena hit he had bad luck last year so he gets the 25th roster spot this year. What he needs to do is earn his spot on the roster in ST, he doesn’t hit in ST, catch the bus to SWB.

  95. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    Pena didn’t hit in bad luck. He hit with bad swings.
    ___________________
    I disagree. It is easy to say he didn’t hit great…but I saw a lot of good ABs from him where he stung a line drive right at somebody.

    Also, while he did have a lot of weak ABs, it IMO was part of learning to play the bench role…which is a tough transition for young players some time.

    There is no proof that Nunez would hit 280 or so while he gets limited playing time either. I would much rather take the better glove who has gone thru that role…and who by the way showed some good offensive potential the year before.

  96. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    The only good thing about Pena’s few hits is that he accounted for some runs.

  97. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    PhiltheThrill March 5th, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    I see no reason why the 25th man shouldn’t have some value. Especially when it’s a prospect who’s getting up there a little like Nunez. Maybe being around the major leaguers will really get him going.
    ________________
    There is A LOT of value in an outstanding gloveman.

  98. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    Nunez played 123 innings with the Yankees last year at (3) positions and committed (1) error in (41) chances.

  99. m March 5th, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    We’ve been saying for years that Pena should be getting PT in the minors. Not sure it will happen at this point. They love them some JalaPena.

    Who’s better at 3B? Nunez?

    Can Chavez play SS?

    Then I take Nunez over Pena.

  100. Your Worst Nightmare March 5th, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    # GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    Pena didn’t hit in bad luck. He hit with bad swings.

    ==============

    Did he have a hole in his bat or does he need contacts ?

  101. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    The only good thing about Pena’s few hits is that he accounted for some runs.
    _______________
    He is one of the best sacrifice bunters on the team, a solid PRer, and made great plays that saved runs last year.

  102. Vineyard Yankee March 5th, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    Do both Nunez and Pena still have options remaining for AAA ? Or one or the other ?

  103. Jerkface March 5th, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    Given that Jeter is no guarantee to bounce back, Nunez should get the bulk of time at SS. He hit practically as good as Jeter did last year.

  104. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    m March 5th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
    ________________
    Chavez is FAR better at 3B than Nunez, but can’t play SS. Chavez is like a 6 time Gold Glove winner and is a highlight film type player. Nunez is still learning the position.

  105. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    Stung the ball hard? he had 1 double and one triple. There were AL pitchers that did better.

  106. Jerkface March 5th, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    Do both Nunez and Pena still have options remaining for AAA ? Or one or the other ?

    -

    Both have options.

  107. Jerkface March 5th, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    Stung the ball hard? he had 1 double and one triple. There were AL pitchers that did better.

    If you watched the games you would have seen him hit some hard line outs. Don’t be so reliant on statistics. Its about observing and understanding whats infront of you beyond the spreadsheets, Nerd.

  108. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    The league caught on to Peña quickly.

    His BA dropped 60 points from 2009-2010, his OBP dropped 60 points, his SLG dropped 135 points, his OPS dropped 195 points.

  109. Vineyard Yankee March 5th, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    Thanks JF.

  110. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Jerkface March 5th, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    Given that Jeter is no guarantee to bounce back, Nunez should get the bulk of time at SS. He hit practically as good as Jeter did last year.
    ______________
    I don’t think that Giardi goes north thinking Jeter won’t bounce back. Jeter will have 2 months to show what he can do. In that time, nobody is getting a lot of playing time in place of him.

    Again, my prediction is that Nunez goes to SWB to get Abs, while Pena comes north. No big woop…just coffee talk.

  111. Jerkface March 5th, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Ramiro Pena hit 19% line drives.

  112. PhiltheThrill March 5th, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Though I believe Pena is a great fielder, he’s also had some bad glove luck as a defensive replacement. Anyway, I will always take the great hitter with an average glove over the great fielder with no bat. And Nunez himself has better than average defensive talent.

  113. Vineyard Yankee March 5th, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Shall we start a campaign to write in Pena as the fans choice on the 2011 AS Team ?

  114. Jerkface March 5th, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    His BA dropped 60 points from 2009-2010, his OBP dropped 60 points, his SLG dropped 135 points, his OPS dropped 195 points.

    Its not about the league catching up. Pena had a lucky run in 2009, but its more about Pena just not having the ability to sustain it. He wasn’t catching pitchers sleeping or anything in 09.

  115. Jerkface March 5th, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    Shall we start a campaign to write in Pena as the fans choice on the 2011 AS Team ?

    You can go right ahead, but that’d be stupid since no one here is arguing that Pena will be an all-star.

  116. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    Jerkface…I think you were the one who posted the videos on BAbip–which explained the element of luck in BAs…

    Pena–who was a decent player in 2009, hit into a lot of bad luck in 2010…much more than normal…Odds are that he reverts back to norm in 2011.

  117. Cashmoney March 5th, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    Pena is a putrid hitter and a decent defender. that’s about it. He display some marginal obp skills in the minor and was never much of hitter. You need hubbell telescope to find the guy’s ISO. Nunez has much higher offensive upside. Nunez’s little bugaboo come from his throwing rather than fielding.

    fun fact, Pena owns a 964 fld pct at 3b and SS. He is extremely lucky he ever sniffed ML.

  118. m March 5th, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    Sorry that wasn’t clear. I ow Chavez can play 3B (theoretically)

    I meant who was better at 3B between Nunez & Pena.

  119. Jerkface March 5th, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    The thing with looking at the difference between X hitter and Y hitter over 2 weeks of limited ABs is that if you look at Ramiro Pena’s ceiling as hitter vs Nunez’s ceiling as a hitter, in any given PA Nunez has a better chance of doing something positive than Pena.

    This means that while statistically a .200 hitter vs a .280 hitter in 2 weeks of limited sample might only differ in 1 AB, at their true talent level Nunez might end up with a hot week where he hits .400 with power, where as Pena would be hard pressed to ever go on a run like that. In the long haul of the season, those 2 weeks where Nunez scorches it in a limited sample might prove more valuable than whatever Pena’s ‘hot streak’ might be.

  120. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    JF–You’re right on target. Pena in 2009 was overly lucky, and was unlucky in 2010. If he reverts to league average, he should hit around 250 in 2011.

  121. West Coast Yankee Fan March 5th, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    Jerkface March 5th, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    His BA dropped 60 points from 2009-2010, his OBP dropped 60 points, his SLG dropped 135 points, his OPS dropped 195 points.

    -

    Its not about the league catching up. Pena had a lucky run in 2009, but its more about Pena just not having the ability to sustain it. He wasn’t catching pitchers sleeping or anything in 09.

    **********

    OK, take your pick:

    1. Peña was lucky in 2009.

    2. The league caught up to Peña in 2009.

    3. Peña doesn’t have the ability to sustain it.

  122. BoJo March 5th, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    m March 5th, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    Sorry that wasn’t clear. I ow Chavez can play 3B (theoretically)

    I meant who was better at 3B between Nunez & Pena.
    ________________
    Pena has the better glove at SS, 2B, and 3B.

  123. Your Worst Nightmare March 5th, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    ‘His BA dropped 60 points from 2009-2010, his OBP dropped 60 points, his SLG dropped 135 points, his OPS dropped 195 points.

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    And this guy didn’t get run out of town ? I imagine that was because the bench players last year were mediocre at best.

  124. Jerkface March 6th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Pena–who was a decent player in 2009, hit into a lot of bad luck in 2010…much more than normal…Odds are that he reverts back to norm in 2011.

    Pena’s true talent level isn’t what he showed in 09 though. Its probably closer to his minor league numbers. He probably did hit into some bad luck given his LD%/GB%/FB%, and there is a chance he could hit better next season, but in my opinion I’d rather have Nunez hitting in the majors.

    In a way, having major league success will increase his trade value. Pena can play more OF in the minors to build his resume. Then if Jeter is doing ok, they dump Nunez for another starter at the deadline or whatever the need is at the time.

  125. Jerkface March 6th, 2011 at 12:01 am

    1. Peña was lucky in 2009.

    2. The league caught up to Peña in 2009.

    3. Peña doesn’t have the ability to sustain it.

    Pena isn’t as good as he was in 09 and isn’t as bad as he was in 10.

  126. BoJo March 6th, 2011 at 12:01 am

    Jerkface March 5th, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    The thing with looking at the difference between X hitter and Y hitter over 2 weeks of limited ABs is that if you look at Ramiro Pena’s ceiling as hitter vs Nunez’s ceiling as a hitter, in any given PA Nunez has a better chance of doing something positive than Pena.

    This means that while statistically a .200 hitter vs a .280 hitter in 2 weeks of limited sample might only differ in 1 AB, at their true talent level Nunez might end up with a hot week where he hits .400 with power, where as Pena would be hard pressed to ever go on a run like that. In the long haul of the season, those 2 weeks where Nunez scorches it in a limited sample might prove more valuable than whatever Pena’s ‘hot streak’ might be.
    ____________
    Interesting point.

    Still not sure if 2 or even three extra singles in 2 weeks makes the difference in overcoming the defensive differentials.

  127. Vineyard Yankee March 6th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    Jerkface March 5th, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    No sense of humor I see.

  128. LGY March 6th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    “They won’t tolerate a so-so defensive player there IMO.”

    ————————–

    The $51 million they signed Jeter for this offseason says otherwise.

  129. m March 6th, 2011 at 12:03 am

    Thanks. Pena is like Cairo. Well not a fan favorite like Cairo, but still. :)

  130. Jerkface March 6th, 2011 at 12:04 am

    No sense of humor I see.

    A non sequitur “joke” about voting pena into the all-star game? You think thats humorous? No sense of humor I see.

  131. Jerkface March 6th, 2011 at 12:04 am

    The problem with Ramiro is that he isn’t even a contact hitter. He strikes out a lot for a guy with zero power.

  132. West Coast Yankee Fan March 6th, 2011 at 12:05 am

    Nuñez is clearly the better overall player, the Yankee organization sees it as such. You put your best players on the field, Nuñez is not a defensive liability at all and he has played 6 seasons in the minors.

  133. Jerkface March 6th, 2011 at 12:05 am

    Which is another reason I’d want Nunez in the majors, because he is more likely to put a ball in play. And do it hard.

  134. BoJo March 6th, 2011 at 12:06 am

    In my mind, Cashman and Girardi go all out to win from the first game of the season…even while Girardi stays stubborn on batting orders. But they do that by putting emphasis on pitching and defense. This is why Brett Gardner is in LF rather than Holliday (it would have been Crawford over Holliday if Brett didn’t break out)…this is why Andruw Jones is 4th OFer rather than Johnny Damon or Thames….it is why Chavez will be the back up corner infielder rather than Laird…

    And it is why Pena IMO will be back-up SS rather than Nunez.

  135. Jerkface March 6th, 2011 at 12:07 am

    You put your best players on the field

    Nunez wouldn’t be on the field, he’d be on the bench, where it then becomes prudent to argue: Who would be more ready to succeed in limited play time and who would benefit more from regular play time?

    Its the same debate with Jesus Montero. Mark Newman has said they would not make Montero the backup if he was only going to get a couple of starts a week. If you extend that logic to Nunez it makes his role as a backup muddier.

  136. West Coast Yankee Fan March 6th, 2011 at 12:08 am

    On the field – on the team. I’m not suggesting he starts for Jete! lol

  137. BoJo March 6th, 2011 at 12:08 am

    LGY March 6th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    “They won’t tolerate a so-so defensive player there IMO.”

    ————————–

    The $51 million they signed Jeter for this offseason says otherwise.
    _________________
    Jeter is NOT a so-so defensive SS. His range may be less than oterhs…but he positions himself well and makes tha plays hit to him with a high degree of certainty. He is also deadly on DPs.

  138. BoJo March 6th, 2011 at 12:10 am

    Jerkface March 6th, 2011 at 12:07 am

    Its the same debate with Jesus Montero. Mark Newman has said they would not make Montero the backup if he was only going to get a couple of starts a week. If you extend that logic to Nunez it makes his role as a backup muddier.
    _____________
    Well put!

  139. Tar March 6th, 2011 at 12:10 am

    “The $51 million they signed Jeter for this offseason says otherwise.”

    The 51 mil they signed for GOLD GLOVE SS Jeter also says stop being a sore loser.

    Or are you just living up to your handle. :wink:

  140. West Coast Yankee Fan March 6th, 2011 at 12:11 am

    Girardi did not go all out to win last year. He went all out to make the playoffs.

    Holliday and/or Crawford are not on this team because of money not defense.

  141. Vineyard Yankee March 6th, 2011 at 12:11 am

    Jerkface March 6th, 2011 at 12:04 am

    Yup I do, to each his own.

  142. LGY March 6th, 2011 at 12:11 am

    “Jeter is NOT a so-so defensive SS.”

    ——————-

    Unfortunately for the Yankees, this is true.

  143. West Coast Yankee Fan March 6th, 2011 at 12:13 am

    Jerkface March 6th, 2011 at 12:07 am

    Its the same debate with Jesus Montero. Mark Newman has said they would not make Montero the backup if he was only going to get a couple of starts a week. If you extend that logic to Nunez it makes his role as a backup muddier.

    ************

    Montero would be backing up one position. Nuñez would be backing up two and one of the players is going to be 38 this June.

  144. Jerkface March 6th, 2011 at 12:13 am

    Jeter is definitely so-so or worse. Making every play hit to you is nothing special, since most short stops do that. He is good at charging and going back but thats about it. Every other short stop in the league positions themselves well thanks to their coaching staff and its only in the last 3 years that Jeter has been positioned defensively since Torre wouldn’t do it. Scouts remarked that Jeter setup the same on every play before 08, so its obvious he isn’t positioning himself.

  145. Jerkface March 6th, 2011 at 12:14 am

    Montero would be backing up one position. Nuñez would be backing up two and one of the players is going to be 38 this June.

    But Nunez is backing up positions where the players play more. Catcher you are actually guaranteed games, because no one catches 3+ days in a row really outside of a few guys.

  146. m March 6th, 2011 at 12:15 am

    If Pena wins over Nunez, it’s because he’s a club favorite (and better glove). That’s how little they think of the bat for the position.

    Unless Nunez really impresses in the field AND with the bat, I’d say Pena wins the backup with Nunez at Scranton waiting for the phone to ring.

  147. BoJo March 6th, 2011 at 12:15 am

    Jeter’s defensive capabilities will be a good debate for another day. And one I look forward to discussing with you JF to get your insight.

    I’m gone. Good night night people.

  148. West Coast Yankee Fan March 6th, 2011 at 12:17 am

    In the end, I doubt either, Nuñez or Peña will decide the season. Good problem to have.

  149. Tar March 6th, 2011 at 12:18 am

    “He is good at charging and going back but thats about it.”

    Did you read that on Fangraphs, or is that a Jerk original.

  150. Vineyard Yankee March 6th, 2011 at 12:22 am

    The lack of news and it being ST leave the discussion to a back up IF bench player. Funny stuff, good thing it is the 25th man on the roster.

  151. PhiltheThrill March 6th, 2011 at 12:23 am

    The Yanks have been hoping to develop a super-sub type from the system for awhile, ie, a player who can cover a number of positions and also hit. I think Nunez might figure into that thinking, and I think next year Laird will, too.

  152. Cashmoney March 6th, 2011 at 12:24 am

    Pena is has average range at SS. in 2 seasons he owns a combined 964 fielding pct with 4 errors in 111 chances at SS. what superior glove r we precisely talking about?

  153. m March 6th, 2011 at 12:27 am

    Going back to the Holliday/Crawford reference, Gardner has a big load to carry. Cashman said that they trust he can do the job (for far less).

    Looking forward to another year of improvement for GGBG.

  154. Cashmoney March 6th, 2011 at 12:29 am

    Pena is the very definition of a replacement player, if u want superior D, then bring up a guy like Doug Bernier. I can see G and co keep him as a pet favor though.

  155. West Coast Yankee Fan March 6th, 2011 at 12:34 am

    As VY said, it’s a discussion about the 25th man on the roster. That’s sweet.

  156. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2011 at 12:36 am

    I think Gardner can be one the best leadoff hitters in MLB.

  157. m March 6th, 2011 at 12:39 am

    With the age of this team, I’d like to Laird become that super-sub. But with a twist. If he has a big-league bat I’d like to him play on an almost full-time basis giving regulars a day or 1/2 day. Will help keep the players fresh. And Gardner can play CF once in a while. :)

  158. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2011 at 12:40 am

    The Yankees’ super-sub probably has to play SS too since that is a position with significant age.

  159. West Coast Yankee Fan March 6th, 2011 at 12:42 am

    One of the most interesting things this season will be seeing how Jeter performs. I don’t think anyone has a clue what to expect. I believe the Yankees have made it relatively clear they would move Jeter out of the lead-off position this year if they feel it’s warranted.

    All while he chases 3,000. He’s going to be under the microscope – no question.

  160. Cashmoney March 6th, 2011 at 12:43 am

    Agree Rich,

    M, surprisingly, i don’t see any pressure on him in term of comp to holiday/crawford. I think a lot Yankee fans think both crawford and Holiday are overpaid in terms of the length of the contract and appreciates Gardner OBP skills and D.

  161. LGY March 6th, 2011 at 12:45 am

    Who the hell is Doug Bernier???

  162. Cashmoney March 6th, 2011 at 12:46 am

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Bernier

  163. West Coast Yankee Fan March 6th, 2011 at 12:48 am

    I wonder if Jeter would ever go to Girardi and say, I think Gardner would be better leading off. You would like to think the proverbial team guy and captain would do that if warranted.

  164. Cashmoney March 6th, 2011 at 12:49 am

    He is in SWB this year LGY.

  165. LGY March 6th, 2011 at 12:50 am

    This Bernier guy has a superior glove?

  166. GreenBeret7 March 6th, 2011 at 12:51 am

    Doug Bernier is Ramiro Pena without his bat

  167. Jerkface March 6th, 2011 at 12:51 am

    Did you read that on Fangraphs, or is that a Jerk original.

    You gonna sperg out if I say its an original?

  168. Jerkface March 6th, 2011 at 12:53 am

    Most of fangraphs analysis leaves much to be desired, but shhh don’t let any in the Baseball Wizard’s Society know that

  169. PhiltheThrill March 6th, 2011 at 12:55 am

    Rich,

    I think the concept would be to have Nunez sub the three up the middle spots ant Laird handle all 4 corners.

  170. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2011 at 12:58 am

    Phil

    That makes sense, and while this is premature (and perhaps radical to some), if Jeter’s 2011 season is similar to his 2010 season, he might be well-suited to be a super-sub in 2012 that could play almost any position.

  171. Cashmoney March 6th, 2011 at 1:01 am

    i think so LGY, but he can’t hit period. Pena has better bat than him.

  172. PhiltheThrill March 6th, 2011 at 1:06 am

    That would be interesting, but I think the Cap is gonna bounce back.

  173. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2011 at 1:08 am

    I can see his AVG bouncing back, but I’m skeptical about any SLG returning.

  174. Tar March 6th, 2011 at 1:12 am

    “Most of fangraphs analysis leaves much to be desired”

    Much like much of your Jeter analysis, which is exactly why I asked.

    But shhh don’t let your GF know. I hear LGY likes that stuff. :D

    I will admit I had to look up sperg? what’s with the fascination with Asperger’s? Or was that a custom made up–2 day in the making zing.

  175. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2011 at 1:18 am

    OTOH, if Jeter sticks with the new batting mechanics and starts pulling the ball more, his AVG may not rise that much, but he could gain some power.

  176. PhiltheThrill March 6th, 2011 at 1:20 am

    I don’t know how he’ll SLG, but I’m interested in seeing how he responds to last season. I think he could have an all around good year with his 3000 hit as the in-season highlight.

  177. Your Worst Nightmare March 6th, 2011 at 1:21 am

    Jeter has been working out and working with Long before ST began. IMO, he will have a nice bounce back year as he becomes the first Yankee to reach 3,000 hits.

  178. PhiltheThrill March 6th, 2011 at 1:21 am

    Yes, the knew mechanics should keep him shorter to the ball.

  179. Jerkface March 6th, 2011 at 1:26 am

    I will admit I had to look up sperg? what’s with the fascination with Asperger’s? Or was that a custom made up–2 day in the making zing.

    Its a word from the internet and has its use long before A-rod or Greinke acquired aspergers.

  180. tyanksfan36 March 6th, 2011 at 1:37 am

    Jerkface

    You don’t acquire aspergers. Its something you’re born with.

  181. Nick in SF March 6th, 2011 at 1:42 am

    Arod can afford to acquire almost anything.

    Grienke still has a ways to go.

  182. Tar March 6th, 2011 at 1:42 am

    “Its a word from the internet and has its use long before A-rod or Greinke acquired aspergers”

    How about them Heels, great game huh.

    Because I am such a good mood, I am going to believe that You, in your one of a kind Jerk way, are making fun of the people who came up with Arod and Greinke having or “acquiring” Asperger’s.

    If not, you are just living up to your handle again. :evil:

  183. Jerkface March 6th, 2011 at 2:01 am

    You don’t acquire aspergers. Its something you’re born with.

    No way. Tell that to the parents who get it for their kids so they can be ‘special’, since aspergers is so high functioning it offers all the ‘special attention needs’ of autism with very few of the draw backs. Its pretty chic.

  184. Cujo March 6th, 2011 at 2:11 am

    What is the big deal about a backup infielder – bench player who will only get minimal playing time unless an injury occurs.

  185. Jerkface March 6th, 2011 at 2:15 am

    Sometimes its just fun to discuss things.

  186. Nick in SF March 6th, 2011 at 2:18 am

    Did Heyman acquire Asshatters Disease or was he born with it?

  187. Cujo March 6th, 2011 at 2:20 am

    Heyman has a rectal disorder in the middle of his face. It’s always shooting stuff out that is…………………….s**t.

  188. Jerkface March 6th, 2011 at 2:22 am

    He acquired it along with his journalism degree from a mail order college

  189. m March 6th, 2011 at 6:32 am

    Just finished reading The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. Very good, though the ending was bittersweet. Going to watch the movie next.

    The main character suspected the girl with the tattoo had Asberger’s Syndrome because of her near-genius ability to discern patterns.

  190. m March 6th, 2011 at 7:17 am

    That would be Asperger. Berger was one of the characters.

    Where are the morning people?

  191. Doreen March 6th, 2011 at 7:30 am

    Mornin’ m.

    Still waking up. :?

    Jerkface actually was on target with his statement that Aspberger’s is kind of like “designer” autism. Whenever you see specials on autism on television, they mostly focus on this type. I remember telling an old college friend I hadn’t seen in a while that my daughter had autism and she immediately asked if it was Aspberger’s because her nephew had Aspbergers and he was a mathematical genius. Her tone implied that if it was Aspberger’s it would be okay. Plain vanilla autism (if there is such a thing) just isn’t as attractive (especially when trying to raise money for a cause – you always want to put your best foot forward, no?). And even among those with the Aspberger’s variety, each individual is quite different. No one-size-fits-all.

    Anyway, I had been thinking about reading that book. Would you recommmend it?

    ****

    I think the choice between Nunez and Pena will come down to how Girardi expectst to use a utility infielder. If it’s late game defense, then it will be Pena. If it’s playing more full games, it will probably be Nunez. I don’t think they go wrong whichever way they choose, though. Nunez is a tick better hitter, and Pena is a tick better defender. If I had to bet money, I’d say Pena with Nunez on call at SWB, but don’t hold me to it!

  192. upstate kate March 6th, 2011 at 7:47 am

    good morning all

    I am listening to The Girl With The Dragan Tatoo on CD. I have gotten to the exciting part and am seriously considering bringing it into the house to finish it…I just don’t drive enough!

  193. m March 6th, 2011 at 7:48 am

    Doreen,

    It was as good as advertised. Interesting to read a “foreign” suspense novel. And there’s three in the series, so you better get cracking :)

    I’m anxious to watch the movie to see the girl. She’s stunted socially and emotionally. But there’s some growth in both areas. I’m not familiar at all with autism and more specifically Aspergers. But it would seem she doesn’t have it if she grows as a character in such a short time at the age of 24?

    Anyway, my mom said that she saw the actress who played her and she said they might as well have been 2 different people.

    Watching Lake House right now. It’s pretty dumb so far.

  194. upstate kate March 6th, 2011 at 8:03 am

    We watched the 2nd movie by mistake, thinking it was the 1st. It was riveting. Now I am looking forward to watching the 1st movie and reading the 2nd book.

    M
    can you send some nice weather? Yesterday it rained all day long, but at least we could see patches of green. Awoke this am to a blizzard :(

  195. Doreen March 6th, 2011 at 8:05 am

    I didn’t know it was a series! Well, just in time for summer reading. Maybe I’ll do the ebook thing for the first time. :)

  196. m March 6th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Kate,

    Weather ain’t so hot here. :(

    Doreen,

    Word of caution. It’s a wee bit graphic in some spots. But nothing that’s not seen on tv. :?

  197. Doreen March 6th, 2011 at 8:15 am

    m -

    I can take it. :)

    upstate kate -

    Sorry about your blizzard. We’re getting rain today. I’ve been tempted to put my faux-wicker rocking chair back on the front porch, but my husband told me not to tempt fate. We bring them inside for the winter because we learned through experience that the “all-weather” furniture is not so much all-weather. :(

  198. pat March 6th, 2011 at 8:19 am

    Good morning.

    Bad day to be a Yankee pitcher yesterday. It happens. Think CC will still go north with the big club anyhow? :wink:

    Information I wish someone had told me……If you fly from Laguardia to Chicago on Delta Airlines, the Delta Terminal is not where you will be leaving from. :sad:

  199. Doreen March 6th, 2011 at 8:23 am

    pat -

    Did you get to your flight on time anyway?

    Not a good way to start a trip. :?

  200. Fran the original March 6th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Good morning :)

    New post :arrow:

  201. Tar March 6th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    “Its a word from the internet and has its use long before A-rod or Greinke acquired aspergers.”

    You do not acquire, nor do you want to acquire Aspergers.

    “No way. Tell that to the parents who get it for their kids so they can be ‘special’,”

    What parent would want to “Get it for their kids”! Obviously Jerk you are not a parent. A child with Aspergers is a social misfit. What that means in real life is– no friends. Show me the parent who wishes that for their child, and I will show you a Jerkface. What parents do want is services so their kids can be as successful as possible. It’s called being a good parent.

    “since aspergers is so high functioning it offers all the ‘special attention needs’ of autism with very few of the draw backs. Its pretty chic”

    Aspergers “offers all the special attention needs” because the kids NEED the special attention needs! Just like the kids who are further down the spectrum. They may have different needs, but they are real. To say “very few of the drawbacks” is trivializing what is a lifelong struggle for these people. There is nothing “chic” about it.

    “Jerkface actually was on target with his statement that Aspberger’s is kind of like “designer” autism.”

    Doreen

    I am shocked that you would say that. He posts that you acquire it, that parents want it for their kids, and that it is “chic” to have it. And you say he was on “target”?

    Asperger’s may be getting a lot of press (which is good right), but his statements were so far over the edge that I would say they are top 5 most ignorant statements I have read on this board.

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