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Hands on for Brett Gardner

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 06, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter isn’t the only Yankee making a small but noticeable change to his swing.

This spring, Brett Gardner has been hitting with both hands. Instead of finishing with only his right hand on the bat, he’s been gripping with both hands throughout the swing.

“It’s something I’ve never done before as far back as I can remember, because I’ve been too worried about getting out of the box,” he said. “Trying to drop the bat and get out of the box, sometimes I would take both hands off the bat too early, and my bat would fly around and hit the catcher. I’ve had to apologize to catchers and umpires. This could slow me down by a tenth of a second getting out of the box, but ultimately, if it leads to me being more consistent at the plate, that’s what I’m shooting for.”

Kind of like Jeter and his new no-stride mechanics, Gardner had talked to Kevin Long about becoming a two-handed hitter in the past, but just decided to put that plan into action this winter. He eliminated his own stride in the minor leagues, making him quicker to the ball, and he thinks keeping both hands on the bat will make him more consistent. The early results are pretty promising.

“It’s something I’ve talked about with K-Long before, something I’ve thought about for a long time,” Gardner said. “This offseason, after I had my surgery, I was kind of miserable because I couldn’t hit for six or seven weeks until the end of January. Christmas rolled around, New Year’s rolled around, and I still wasn’t able to hit and work on the things I wanted to work on. I wasn’t able to bunt or work on my swing, so I just started thinking about things — things I’ve talked to K-Long about in the past.

“I just started playing with it. I didn’t have a bat in my hands, but I started playing with it and decided to try and switch it up like that. I thought it would help me be more consistent, so we’ll see.”

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302 Responses to “Hands on for Brett Gardner”

  1. RadioKev March 6th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    Interesting development! Good to know, I wonder if that accounts for some of his extra base hits.

  2. blake March 6th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Sounds good.

  3. PhiltheThrill March 6th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    I’m expecting a big year from Brett.

  4. Tom in N.J. March 6th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    Here’s hoping Brett can avoid the injury bug this season. If he does, watch out..

  5. tyanksfan36 March 6th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    For those who care, I got a 97 on one of my midterms! pretty excited about that. Im sure ill be brought down to earth when I get the results to my other midterm but ill enjoy this one for now.

  6. Against All Odds March 6th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    Congrats Tyanksfan36

  7. Tom in N.J. March 6th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    I hate grading papers.

  8. tyanksfan36 March 6th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Tom

    Then you would have hated grading this test. It was 12 multiple choice and 3 essays, 3 really long essays. I rock at essay questions. luckily for my instructor, there are only 24 people in the class, if that.

  9. PhiltheThrill March 6th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    congrats, T!

  10. blake March 6th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    tyanks,

    sounds great…what are you studying?

  11. tyanksfan36 March 6th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Thanks all.

    Blake

    I am studying to be an elementary school teacher. Theres a lot to it. This class is ESOL or English for Speakers of Other Languages. Its pretty much learning how to teach a student who doesnt speak english in the english speaking classroom. My other class is Integrating the Exceptional child, or how to include students who with disabilities of all kinds in the regular classroom. Lots of essays and case studies. I cant wait until I am done.

  12. Betsy March 6th, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    Interesting article on how catchers/pitchers have to get to know each other:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03.....?src=twrhp

  13. West Coast Yankee Fan March 6th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Congrats Tyanksfan36

  14. tyanksfan36 March 6th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Betsy

    Thats a really nice article. Much better than the fake one someone posted a week or so ago…. lol. I really like hearing about the personal relationships between the players. Not everything is about stats.

  15. SAS March 6th, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    Tyanks,

    Well done. We need really good teachers for our kids.

  16. Betsy March 6th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Tyanks, someone posted a fake article? Ok, lol

  17. Joe from Long Island March 6th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    tyanksfan36 – congratulations. I hope you have continued success.

    ‘night all.

  18. tyanksfan36 March 6th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    this is an article from today that I really liked about Cervelli. I feel bad for his spring training luck.

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....erv_1.html

  19. m March 6th, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    I think she’s referring to the onion piece on martin

  20. Betsy March 6th, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    Oh, I didn’t know they did one – I LOVE the Onion, lol

  21. tyanksfan36 March 6th, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    m

    yes, I am.

  22. m March 6th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Betsy,

    It’s the one where he supposedly signed a ball and gave it to “some kid”–Hughes.

    I guess it was so funny you forgot to laugh.

  23. Pat M. March 6th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Betsy….Good read…Similar dynamics for a shortstop and a second baseman…….You spend countless hours working with your dp partner to get a fell for him..Important to be on the same page under all circumstances…..

  24. BJK March 6th, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    Great topic, Chad.

    I’ve always wondered about Gardner’s one-handed swing. Same thing about Damon’s. Always amazed me how he generated power.

  25. m March 6th, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    I think front row fans in stadiums around the AL will be happy Gardner will be switching to a two-hand grip.

  26. pat March 6th, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    This made me chuckle…. from NY Times

    Hughes and Martin sat at their lockers, going over the day. Hughes offered him a ride back to Tampa — in his parents’ rental car.

    “I’m going to meet the parents,” Martin said, with a laugh. “This is a big step for us.”

  27. Bo knows March 7th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    That shot of Gardner is a power stroke. Gardner is a strong little guy as witness the HR shot last year. He was bleeding power with the one handed swing. So 10+ HRs is not out the question. He should get more calls his way a year later, as last year he was one of the leaders in strikes called out of the strike zone and that should maintain his OBP.

    All this translates to Crawford at a reduced rate. We’ll see what the reality check does once the season starts. He ranked higher than Crawford in fielding mostly due to the accurate arm. I love Spring Training.

  28. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2011 at 12:10 am

    Gardner is surpassing even my expectations. He has a chance to be one of the better OFs in MLB. I’m not saying he definitely will, because he’s not young in baseball terms, but it’s possible.

  29. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2011 at 12:10 am

    The situation with Mitre/Nova/Colon is pretty simple. If they all continue to pitch well throughout ST….like they have….move Mitre into thelongman/swing spot, Colon into the #5 spot and option Nova back to Scranton until the bloom falls off of the Garcia/Colon rose. If they can get 5-6 good starts out of the #5 spot before that, Colon will have done his job and replace him with Nova. He may surprise and he can always be moved to a team needing a starter for a decent youngster. It’s better than dropping him only to find out that Nova needs just a bit more time. He has options, as do the Yankees.

  30. tyanksfan36 March 7th, 2011 at 12:17 am

    I’ve always really liked gardner. His at-bats against left handed pitching is my favorite thing to watch I love the way he fouls off balls and then slaps the ball wherever. I like his fielding too. He is so speedy and almost always when he gets the chance to throw someone out, is successful.

  31. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2011 at 12:17 am

    I think that’s what will probably happen, but I would rather sink or swim with Nova.

  32. Bo knows March 7th, 2011 at 12:22 am

    The good thing about Colon in the mix is that there is a competition for the starter spots. It’s not just hand them spots in the rotation.

  33. tyanksfan36 March 7th, 2011 at 12:24 am

    GB

    Couldn’t you say the same thing with Montero. They could go north with Molina as the BUC, when Cervelli is back or they’re ready to move Montero up, they just release him(molina). Montero would have to be added to the 40 man a season ahead of time. I’m not advocating they do it that way, if Montero deserves to come up then I’d like to see that. Only thing is they will have 3 catchers on the roster unless they get rid of Cervelli. That’s just something I read somewhere the other day and it got me thinking. I’m not sure if that made any sense. I’ve been writing too many papers today.

  34. m March 7th, 2011 at 12:26 am

    That’s a great story. Thanks for that, pat.

  35. Bo knows March 7th, 2011 at 12:28 am

    If the two handed swing takes, I think there will be a lot less slap hits. He’s had two second half seasons of injuries, thumb and wrist. If he remains healthy this should be his break out year. I agree, I love his battling at bats. Bring out the Cano batting drills.

  36. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2011 at 12:30 am

    No, the Montero analogy is inapt. You can argue that you can never have enough pitching and that if you lose Colon now, you may not be able to find a comparable replacement very easily if the need arises.

    The same isn’t true with Molina. He’s a never was, never will be.

  37. tyanksfan36 March 7th, 2011 at 12:37 am

    Rich

    I’m taking about when the season starts. If they decide that they aren’t ready to move Montero up just yet then it wouldn’t take them anything to add Molina to the 40 man because when Cervelli is healthy they just reactivate him and release Molina. I’m not saying that they would rather have him as the back up over Montero but if they decide at the end of ST that they don’t want to bring Montero up right away then it wouldn’t be out of the question to wait on him and just put Molina on the 40 man until Cervelli is back and they can bring Montero up later. Again, this is just something I read on Twitter that someone brought up. Its not how I feel about it.

  38. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2011 at 12:38 am

    An attempt to cool of the umpires and hold them publically accountable? Maybe. It’s about time.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=6186882

  39. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2011 at 12:42 am

    ty

    But there is no reason for them to decide that. He’s beyond ready. The also have several offensive question marks and they need his bat. Of equal importance, every player needs to surmount a learning curve as they acclimate themselves to MLB. So why wait? That’s also why I would start Nova in the rotation.

    As for Cevelli, he is irrelevant, imo. He probably wouldn’t have made the team anyway. He was rushed in the mL, and he should finish off his offensive development there.

    The Yankees can be overly cautious. It’s one of their biggest weaknesses. I hope they lose that mindset.

  40. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2011 at 12:46 am

    TY, I believe that Molina has a minor league deal without a …or else release. NYYs still have the catching covered if they need another because of injuries. There’s no reason to dump an effective pitcher that your opposition like Baltimore, Texas or even Boston can bring in to use against you. It’s just another insurance policy. There are always catchers like a Bengie Molina available. The Molina the Yanks have is more like Chad Moeller, only less.

  41. m March 7th, 2011 at 12:58 am

    I love Gardner. I admit it was partially due to Pete nicknaming him GGBG.

    But I also root for the underdogs. He was the runt, sorta. ;)

    I like how he forced his way on to his college team.

    He’s really easy to root for.

  42. tyanksfan36 March 7th, 2011 at 12:59 am

    Rich

    I can see your POV on it. I would like to see Montero make the team out of ST just like I would like to see Nova in the rotation. I also get what GB says about emptying the Colon or Garcia tank by having them 4 and 5 befoore bringing up Nova or someone else. I still think its too early to see what will happen though.
    With Cervelli though, he had done well in his few games before hurting himself both offensively and defensively though the sample size is small. I know with Montero knocking on the door its kinda like you have to call him up because he has “outgrown” the minor leagues and needs to make the jump. Also having him in scranton creates a logjam with all the catching behind him. Its going to be an interesting year.

  43. Bo knows March 7th, 2011 at 1:06 am

    Yankees over cautious? Joba, Hughes, Kennedy; Montero is 20. A bit of cushion is not going to stunt his growth, to coin a phrase. Cervelli to the dustbin, he’s an above average catcher that also was rushed and discarding him would be short sighted. Even with his bad year defensively, he was still a 1.1 WAR.

  44. m March 7th, 2011 at 1:10 am

    Oh, and telling a sick kid he’d hit a homerun. Epic. Even if it was anything but Ruthian. :P

  45. Bo knows March 7th, 2011 at 1:14 am

    Yep, gotta love the little jobber. I think we can safely say that Melky is in the rear view mirror. He keeps proving people wrong.

  46. tyanksfan36 March 7th, 2011 at 1:14 am

    Bo knows

    If you want to talk about an underdog it would have to be Cervelli. I hadn’t really heard of him until he got called up. You would think there had been someone else better, he was listed in BA as their best defensive catcher going into 2010. He has been able to hold his own though. I was seeing good things for him. He was hitting well so far in ST and no issues behind the plate. I don’t think they would release him, maybe send him to the minors or a trade if that’s what they decide to do. Ill always wish the best for him unless he somehow ends up a red sock or Ray down the line.

    I linked to an article about Cervelli earlier from the Ledger. A good piece on him.

  47. Carl March 7th, 2011 at 1:17 am

    m,

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......8;c_id=nyy

  48. MoRings42 March 7th, 2011 at 1:25 am

    With Gardner, the thing that I’m mainly concerned about is his running the bases. There have been times where they’ve brought him in specifically to steal a base and he didn’t even attempt it. I think the most notable was a situation last year with him replacing Arod at first. He just stood there and wasted an opportunity. Arod could have done that. I’d like to see him stretch out everything and be far more aggressive on the bases than he was last year.

  49. m March 7th, 2011 at 1:26 am

    Carl,

    Thanks for that. The stadium was loud!

  50. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2011 at 1:36 am

    Good to see that it’s Yankee baseball all day on MLB-TV. Both games will be on.

  51. Bo knows March 7th, 2011 at 1:37 am

    People keep expecting more from Gardner. This is a kid that was a walk on in college so it’s not as if you can compare him to someone from the Dominican who’s been a pro since 16. I think he was in the top five in stolen bases. Next you get he should bunt more. Well, if he bunted more there wouldn’t be these battling at bats wearing out the pitcher. He’s still learning the pitchers and it’s not as if they’ve had Rickey working with him on his base stealing.

  52. MoRings42 March 7th, 2011 at 1:55 am

    With his speed, you should expect more from Gardner because he’s capable of more. He should be #1 in SB’s.

  53. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2011 at 1:55 am

    Twins Willing To Talk Slowey Trade
    By Luke Adams [March 6 at 10:15am CST]
    With few options remaining on the free agent market, teams in need of starting pitching help may have to put Minnesota GM Bill Smith on speed dial. ESPN.com’s Buster Olney (Insider-only link) hears that the Twins are “very much willing” to discuss trading Kevin Slowey these days.

    This isn’t the first time we’ve heard reports about Slowey’s potential availability. Joel Sherman of the New York Post wrote during the Winter Meetings that the Twins would consider moving the right-hander, particularly if Carl Pavano re-signed with the club – which, of course, he eventually did. More recently, Jim Souhan of the Minneapolis Star Tribune said that the Twins were more likely to deal Slowey than Francisco Liriano.

    Sporting a career high of 160.1 IP in the bigs, Slowey isn’t the sort of innings-eating workhorse a free agent like Kevin Millwood would be. However, the righty is just 26 years old, remains under team control through 2013, and has displayed impeccable control (1.5 BB/9) throughout his career. If the Twins are open to fielding offers, I’d expect the Yankees and Cardinals to be among the handful of clubs to kick the tires.

  54. Bo knows March 7th, 2011 at 2:02 am

    ty

    Cervelli, the other favorite. A string of bad luck that is unreal. Keeps on keeping on. An infielder that switched to catching like Posada. Had a hell of a season at Tampa A ball. Got worn down in the Florida heat. Three years ago had his wrist broken in spring training, missed a year. Next year got called up after a few games in Trenton so he basically jumped from A ball to the Majors. Last spring was beaned/concussion which is the reason for the kazoo helmet. Broken foot this year, again in spring training. Was a top flight defensive catcher and threw out 40 percent of base stealers until last year. They keep trying to force him into the backup role and he keeps competing.

  55. Bo knows March 7th, 2011 at 2:13 am

    Slowey is a younger version of Freddy Garcia that will cost prospects. Now, Randy I would be enamored due to the Minnesota finishing school of pitching. I can’t see the Yankees kicking tires on this one. 4.5 ERA and 160 innings in the Central, Pass.

  56. Pat M. March 7th, 2011 at 2:15 am

    Slowery’s issues have been staying healthy….He was projected to be a good # 3-4 type starter…..

  57. Nick in SF March 7th, 2011 at 2:17 am

    First they ‘dangle’ Liriano and now Slowey?

    Bait ‘n’ switch Smith.

  58. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2011 at 2:35 am

    Slowey is a type that I would consider sending a Nova/Noesi/Phelps type along with Jorge Vazquez and get Slower and a mid-level prospect back.

  59. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2011 at 2:39 am

    If Slowey has a draw-back, it’s the home run rate

  60. Bo knows March 7th, 2011 at 2:48 am

    GB

    Why the impatience with Nova? Mid nineties heat, CU, sinker, average CB. Any other team he’s a crown jewel and in your words, Noesi is better. Last year Nova looked great until he started running out of gas each game. To me this was high innings syndrome. Why not give Nova some starts and see what you have?

  61. m March 7th, 2011 at 2:57 am

    I’d rather watch paint dry than watch Slowey pitch. Can’t see trading for an innings eater. Especially one that seems to be adverse to doing so. :P

  62. m March 7th, 2011 at 2:59 am

    I rather like the idea of having at least one groundball pitcher. And at league minimum.

  63. Bo knows March 7th, 2011 at 3:08 am

    I realize I’m a prospect hugger but this should be the last year where the Yankees are searching for starting pitching. They should be inserting one pitcher a year into the five spot in the rotation. They will struggle, some might fail but it should be at the Major level. They have at least six top end pitchers within a year of the Majors. Also, other than Swisher, they only have two spots in the infield that concievably need replacing in the next couple of years.

  64. Bo knows March 7th, 2011 at 3:12 am

    Slowey is, isn’t he?

  65. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2011 at 3:12 am

    I have no impayience with Nova. Not sure that the Twins wouldn’t rather have Noesi, since te Twins already have 5 starters and Noesi is the best of the three mentioned and their type of control/strikeout pitcher. Phelps is also more of their type. There is no place for Vazquez in the Yankee organization. He’d be the perfect platoon option with Thome, though.

  66. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2011 at 3:14 am

    ***impatience***

  67. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2011 at 3:20 am

    The Yankees also have a lot of players that are getting close to being lost as minor league free agents or Rule 5s. Noesi, Vazquez, Nova (unless he stays with the Yankees) and Phelps are part of that group. It’s lose them or move them. Slowey is a pitcher that would have off-season value.

  68. m March 7th, 2011 at 3:22 am

    I had just assumed he was an arby guy age and not under control much longer. I could be wrong. But you have to give up something, right? Can’t see trading away what you’re trading for. And I would think Nova would be under team control beyond 2013.

    Cash did label nova as a #3 type. Of course he could be trying to puff him up for a trade. I just don’t it’ll be for Slowey.

  69. Bo knows March 7th, 2011 at 3:25 am

    In my ideal world, it’s CC and the fab four as the Yankees five. Nah, need something more up beat, more in your face. Where’s Nick when you really need him?

    Let’s see, Phil the Thrill, Ivan the Terrible, Dellin the Great and Mighty Manuelos as in Mouse. Gaah, I’m showing symptoms of sleep deprivation. This material needs more development.

  70. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2011 at 3:26 am

    Nova’s a good pitcher, as are the others, but, like I said, many of these guys will be lost at the end of the season for nothing more than a waiver price or for nothing at all.

  71. m March 7th, 2011 at 3:28 am

    I was thinking about the rule 5 likelies. Cash has been pretty good about trading away the ones that might make an impact outside of pinstripes before losing them. Those are the ones that might go. But we need Nova. If anything Garcia would be left by the wayside if we traded for a starter.
    And the better Nova becomes and the more he helps us the more the more his stock rises.

  72. m March 7th, 2011 at 3:32 am

    Dealin’ Dellin? Manuelito?

  73. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2011 at 3:33 am

    It’s going to be 2 of Garcia/Colon or Nova making the team. NYYs will still control Nova, but, if they all pitch well, Nova is the logical one to send to Scranton and use others to go after a Slowey type pitcher if/when Colon/Garcia fail. Use them up first.

  74. Bo knows March 7th, 2011 at 3:33 am

    I’ve alway been partial to the Earl of Baltimore, pitcher development system. So it would involve a #5 starter and a long reliever auditioning for a spot.

    Okay enough,

    Ciao for now.

  75. Bo knows March 7th, 2011 at 3:39 am

    Okay, I like Dealin Dellin but I’m holding firm on Mighty Manuelos. Now Ivan the Terrible is just blech, maybe we’ll have to trade him and bring in Hector. That’s easier to work with.

  76. Bo knows March 7th, 2011 at 3:45 am

    GB

    You’ve caught the Randy disease. Minnesota school of pitching. I was praying that wouldn’t happen.

    Nova is better than Slowey now. He’s 25 and he’s ready. He’s home grown. Okay, he’s Dominican but you get my point. He just needs experience. Slowey is an injury waiting to happen. Keep Nova.

    That’s my final word.

  77. m March 7th, 2011 at 3:47 am

    I was trying for Ivana Punch You, but Ivan2 Kill You works better. :evil:

  78. Carl March 7th, 2011 at 3:49 am

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....;FEEDNAME=

    Justin Maxwell is now Alex Rodriguez.

  79. Bo knows March 7th, 2011 at 3:53 am

    Works a hell of a lot better than Ivan the Terrible doesn’t it. Phew, we won’t have to trade Ivan.

    I gotta admit I was thinking of the Bleacher Creatures chants so it needs some scansion. But you’re better at this than I am so I’ll leave it with you. Try to tighten it up a little. Go Team

    Okay, I’m powering out.

  80. Nick in SF March 7th, 2011 at 4:02 am

    Dealin’ Dellin’s been done.

    Whatever the nickname, I’ll take my chances with Betances.

    I too must pass out, but a quick congratulations to Arsenal FC, winner of today’s Liverpool victory over Manchester United.

  81. yanks61 March 7th, 2011 at 4:44 am

    Good morning everyone.

    For those who haven’t seen it, here’s more on Gardner and the internal discussion about moving him to leadoff (from today’s NYDN):

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....vor_o.html

  82. GreenBeret7 March 7th, 2011 at 5:10 am

    Bo knows March 7th, 2011 at 3:45 am
    GB

    You’ve caught the Randy disease. Minnesota school of pitching. I was praying that wouldn’t happen.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    You don’t know what the Hell you’re talking about.

    And nova is 24

  83. ron March 7th, 2011 at 6:03 am

    Montero will be 22 before the year is out,he is not 20 yrs old as somebody claimed earlier.

    As long as montero holds his own defensively,he will make the team.
    Don’t forget posada & cervelli were not that great defensively last year & montero’s bat is probably better than posada’s at this point in time & is definitely better than cervelli’s.

    Nova could be a sleeper,not a huge prospect but might end up being real good.

    If noesi is supposed to be better than nova,where is he?

    Visa problems?

  84. Ed H. March 7th, 2011 at 6:18 am

    Gardner has, to my own surprise, become my favorite Yankee. Any time he’s on the field I know that a thrilling play can erupt, either offensively or defensively. I hope that he has a healthy year so that he can fully come into his own, over a full season.

  85. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 6:30 am

    Buenos Dias.

    In the NYDN article posted above Kevin Long says that “the .321 that
    Gardner posted in the 1st half” is more like what you can expect from him if he’s healthy.

    Can you imagine if he’s correct ?

    GGBG with a .300 + BA, 50 steals, and a close to .400 OBP.

    All with excellent defense, and one of the best eyes in baseball.

    That is a very valuable ballplayer.

    Hope it comes to pass.

    :)

  86. ron March 7th, 2011 at 6:32 am

    Slowey doesn’t strike out a ton of batters & his ability to get ground balls is trending in the wrong direction.
    So basically he puts the ball in play.

    A 31.6 career groundball rate.

    If colon,garcia,nova were not options then maybe but we already have a ton of 4th & 5th starters.

    I am more concerned about how our number 2 & 3 starters pitch.

    Hughes has to develope an effective offspeed pitch.He will be 25 years old soon.

  87. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 6:35 am

    JMO but I wouldn’t trade Nova for Slowey.

    I do agree that several of our young prospects will need to find homes soon as they are likely to be exposed to the rule 5.

    We almost lost Nova that way. If he wasn’t returned we would have.

    We got lucky on that one.

    Time to sort it all out. I’m confident we will.

    Might use one or more as trade pieces at the TD if we need some help.

    And I agree with GB on his take on not jettisoning Colon too quickly.

    Options are good things to have.

  88. Doreen March 7th, 2011 at 6:37 am

    Good morning, morning people. :)

    I love to read about how players think about ways to make improvements (as well as actually working to make the improvements happen). Go Brett!

    As long as he doesn’t hurt himself sliding again, Gardner will have a good year. It will be interesting to see if he actually does get the leadoff spot, but I’m not overly concerned if he does not. If the lineup is circular, batting ninth still puts him batting in front of the top 3-4 hitters throughout the game. I do understand that batting leadoff makes it happen quicker, though, and gets him an additional at-bat each game. I’m sure Jeter couldn’t care less – he was the #2 hitter for a while. If Jeter’s swing has improved enough, then Gardner-Jeter could work just fine.

    So, thinking about the catcher/pitcher relationship, those pitchers are going to feel quite “courted” this spring between Martin and Montero. And it’s not like in years past where Posada only had to “learn” one or two pitchers per spring; these 2 catchers have got to do a crash course on the entire starting staff, and I would assume the relief corps as well. Not an enviable position to be in (well, yes and no – they are going to be catching for the NY Yankees, after all!).

    Loved Martin’s line about meeting the parents. Seems to be a likable person.

  89. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 6:38 am

    Hughes has a very high pitching aptitude IMO.

    FWIS I’m not in the least bit concerned with his development timetable or with his ability to develop whatever pitches he needs to
    reach his full potential.

    Kid’s a winner and his future is very, very bright.

    He’s gonna be a stalwart in this rotation for years to come.

    We’re lucky to have him.

  90. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 6:43 am

    Doreen-

    IMO this a very exciting time to be a Yankee fan, and a very scary time for the rest of baseball.

    It seems to me that the Yanks are entering a potential new Dynasty phase wherein the Farm moves to the forefront again.

    We have Jesus, and so many young players to watch.

    You gotta love it.

    :)

  91. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 6:49 am

    Cream just keeps rising to the top.

    We already see the B’s, and others nearly ready for primetime.

    With others like Marshall, Ramirez, and dePaula in the pipeline along with the likes of Sanchez, Heathcott, Mesa, and others.

    We’re loaded for bear.

    It’s like the gift that never seems to stop giving.

  92. upstate kate March 7th, 2011 at 6:52 am

    Morning all
    Awoke to another snow storm
    Luckily the guy I car pool with has a big truck and always drives when the roads are bad, so all I have to do is drive the 4 miles to his house.
    I am sooooo ready for spring

  93. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 6:54 am

    Bo mentioned it above.

    We can break guys in thru the BP and 5 slot.

    That’s gonna be fun to watch.

    We have the dough to buy select FA’s, and the trade pieces for strategic acquisitions should we require them.

    In essence, we’re sittin’ pretty. A steamroller. Ready to flatten out the opposition.

    :)

  94. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 6:56 am

    Kate-

    I bet you are. Rough Winter. Nothing a few weeks in the Caribbean

    with your toes in the sand couldn’t cure.

    ;)

  95. Fran the original March 7th, 2011 at 7:00 am

    Good morning all.

    Kevin Long has been busy. These improvements should help the Yankees line-up.

    I actually like Gardner batting 9th and having a circular line-up. But whatever Girardi decides is fine with me.

    ***********
    Kate, drive carefully.

  96. upstate kate March 7th, 2011 at 7:06 am

    I am already at work Fran, safe and sound, just complaining!

    Last year I thought GGBG was just a place holder until the Yankees got Crawford. He turned out to be a most pleasant surprise.

  97. Fran the original March 7th, 2011 at 7:12 am

    Kate,

    I’m glad. That you’re there, not that you’re complaining :)

  98. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 7:16 am

    Here’s a thought.

    I know a hitter needs to feel as comfortable as possible in the batters box but with the rash of injuries to some of our guys wouldn’t it make sense for them to make more use of protective gear ?

    Things like padded batting gloves, shin/foot protectors, and elbow guards would certainly help cut that down.

    I’d like to see players being a little more proactive in that way.

    Do it before you get hurt not after.

  99. tyanksfan36 March 7th, 2011 at 7:23 am

    Good morning morning people. Just a few more mornings where I have to wake up early and then I’m on spring break. Yay. I still have to work but I told them I still have internship so ill have at least 2 free days. Gonna try to catch some Yankees baseball at least one of those days.

  100. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 7:26 am

    Slowey s*cks….I wouldn’t even trade Cervelli for him

    RAB did a nice analysis on his s*ckatudability here

    http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....wey-44272/

    He would be killed with homers in YS.

  101. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 7:26 am

    TY-

    By the way, congrats on passing your exam with flying colors !

    That means you get an extra tomato to throw at Maddon.

    Keep up the good work.

    :)

  102. ron March 7th, 2011 at 7:26 am

    tyanksfan36:

    If i were you they would need h o m e l a n d s e c u r i t y to keep we away from the st complex.

    I’d be like an addict.

  103. upstate kate March 7th, 2011 at 7:27 am

    congrats Tyanks on your exam :)

  104. upstate kate March 7th, 2011 at 7:28 am

    MTU
    do you remember when it was proposed to wrap Jeter in bubble wrap? perhaps the entire team could benefit!

  105. Roger March 7th, 2011 at 7:30 am

    Any idea what it would take to get Brett Myers..?

  106. Doreen March 7th, 2011 at 7:30 am

    tyanksfan36 -

    Congrats on the 97!

    Spring break sounds nice. :)

    kate -

    Glad you got to work okay.

  107. Fran the original March 7th, 2011 at 7:31 am

    tyanks,

    Congratulations. Hope you get to some games and we get some more pictures :)

  108. tyanksfan36 March 7th, 2011 at 7:32 am

    Thanks! I actually passed my other exam too. Got my results last night. I got a 76. Not too bad, thought I had bombed it. Apparently I’m a better guesser than I thought. Now gotta run.

    MTU

    Awesome.

  109. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 7:32 am

    I hope to see Gardener leading off htis year against all pitchers…he is ready to step up and get the extra 150 or so ABs…

  110. blake March 7th, 2011 at 7:32 am

    I think the Yankees already have guys comparable to Slowey. If they can’t trade for an impact guy that’s a real potential difference maker…..then I don’t know if they should at all……at least until they see what they have.

  111. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 7:33 am

    Kate-

    Very funny.

    We all know injuries are a part of the game but I would sure like to see more guys taking full adanatge of modern protective gear.

    It’s light and it’s effective in many cases.

    Some guys are just old school I guess and insist on 100% comfort
    over the added safety.

  112. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 7:34 am

    Roger March 7th, 2011 at 7:30 am

    Any idea what it would take to get Brett Myers..?
    ___________
    Why would the Yankees want him?

    They’ll be fine with what they have now…no need to add mediocre pitchers. They could sign Millwood if that was their goal.

    Leave room for the kids to come up.

  113. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 7:35 am

    tyanksfan36 -

    Congrats on the 97!

    Continued good luck to you.

  114. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 7:36 am

    blake March 7th, 2011 at 7:32 am

    I think the Yankees already have guys comparable to Slowey. If they can’t trade for an impact guy that’s a real potential difference maker…..then I don’t know if they should at all……at least until they see what they have.
    _____________
    AGREED!

  115. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 7:36 am

    sp: advantage. Sorry. I butchered that one.

  116. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 7:37 am

    Blake-

    Thirded (Is that a word ?).

    :)

  117. upstate kate March 7th, 2011 at 7:37 am

    Tyanks
    keep up the good work!
    hey, you don’t have to travel to FL for Spring break, you are already there :)

  118. Roger March 7th, 2011 at 7:39 am

    Bojo,according to NYpost he’s on the Yankee radar..

    Btw,he had a 3,14ERA(223.2 IP)..I would think the Yankees could use a guy like that

  119. ron March 7th, 2011 at 7:40 am

    I know one thing,the yankees are going to be in a great position to trade for a good starter around the deadline.

    Everybody will ask about ban & betances,especially if they are doing well.

    The question is,if cashman has the chance to get king felix for banuelos,brackman,romine,does he do it???

  120. blake March 7th, 2011 at 7:40 am

    MTU,

    no but I think threeded is ;)

  121. Cashmoney March 7th, 2011 at 7:43 am

    Good Morning Lohud

  122. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 7:43 am

    Roger March 7th, 2011 at 7:39 am

    Bojo,according to NYpost he’s on the Yankee radar..

    Btw,he had a 3,14ERA(223.2 IP)..I would think the Yankees could use a guy like that
    _________________
    Roger–read the article I linked to. Slowey might have been mentioned to Cashman, but I don’t think Cashman will have much interest. The guy isn’t a YS type pitcher, and certainly does not fit the mold of power pitcher that Cashman loves for play-offs.

    Just more rumor mill cr*p.

  123. blake March 7th, 2011 at 7:44 am

    Ron,

    That’s a tough one…..can’t make that decision before having my coffee…..

  124. ron March 7th, 2011 at 7:45 am

    When did he have a 3.14 era & 223.2 innings pitched?

  125. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 7:46 am

    Ron-

    Felix commands just about anyone.

    He is what most Pitchers dream of becoming.

    I hope the Yankees retain Banuelos though.

  126. Roger March 7th, 2011 at 7:46 am

    Bojo,I’m talking about Brett Myers..not Kevin Slowey

  127. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 7:48 am

    Blake-

    Is that what your young son says when he agrees with you and Mom ?

    “Daddy I threeded it ! ”

    :)

  128. pat March 7th, 2011 at 7:48 am

    Good morning.

    Happy Pulaski Day!

    I have no idea what Pulaski Day is but the gentleman on the news here says some people have today off because of it and I feel like Chicagoans have been holding out on us and getting an extra holiday off from work. :sad:

  129. upstate kate March 7th, 2011 at 7:48 am

    good morning Cashmoney!

  130. blake March 7th, 2011 at 7:50 am

    MTU,

    no Im teaching him real English…..don’t want him to be like his dad ;)

  131. upstate kate March 7th, 2011 at 7:50 am

    Pat
    sorta like how MA gets Patriot’s Day off?
    My calendar says today is the start of Orthodox Lent…maybe there is a connection?

  132. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 7:51 am

    Cash-

    Back at ya’.

    Still smellin’ Victory ?

    Going to get started on “the Lost City of Z” soon. thanks for the tip.

    Right up my alley.

    ;)

  133. Cashmoney March 7th, 2011 at 7:52 am

    Morning kate!

    Pulaski Day, sounds good to me, the world needs more holidays. Growing up in NYC, I had Steuben Day parade every year, I wonder if that’s a NYC thingie.

  134. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 7:53 am

    We got one out here too.

    It’s called Pioneer day.

    As big as the 4th out here.

  135. Mell March 7th, 2011 at 7:53 am

    “The question is,if cashman has the chance to get king felix for banuelos,brackman,romine,does he do it???”

    He does it twice. Seattle doesn’t do it once though.

  136. Cashmoney March 7th, 2011 at 7:53 am

    Always MTU, :) But the I am cautiously confident! Can’t take too deep of a breath, the nepalm stuff is rather tricky.

  137. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 7:56 am

    Cash-

    I’ll take a deep breath after I see what AJ, and our #4 and 5 starters give us.

    ;)

  138. blake March 7th, 2011 at 7:57 am

    Mell,

    Probably….I really don’t wanna trade Banuelos though. Seattle would want Montero and Banuelos in any deal anyway.

  139. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 7:57 am

    ron March 7th, 2011 at 7:40 am

    I know one thing,the yankees are going to be in a great position to trade for a good starter around the deadline.
    _____________
    QFT

    The real important roster is the one Cashman sets of August 31…and that one can have both Marte (back from injury) and Banuelos as lefties out of bullpen, and Betances and Brackman ias righties if needed.

    And by TD, pitchers like Warren, Noesi, Phelps, and several others will have built their creds more so they will probably be sought after.

    IMO, there will be only a few pitchers I would be interested in getting at trading deadline IF they are healthy and available. I want a lefty starter who can miss bats and go deep into games. The list is Gio Gonzales, John Danks, CJ Wilson, Jason Vargas, Johan Santana, Francisco Liriano, and Wandy Rodriguez. I don’t list others that I don’t think would be available.

  140. Cashmoney March 7th, 2011 at 7:58 am

    I had a talk with inner Mitre ,alone, last night, he assures he up to the task :), MTU. How r things rolling in God’s country.

  141. Mell March 7th, 2011 at 7:59 am

    Blake:

    The proposal as Ron presents it is nowhere near as bad as my last response makes it sound. In fact, it’s pretty good. For a guy like Hernandez, I think a little more would be commanded though.

  142. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 8:00 am

    Bojo-

    Depending on what it takes I’ll have Danks, or Kershaw (yeah, in my fantasy world he’s available).

    :)

  143. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 8:00 am

    Roger March 7th, 2011 at 7:46 am

    Bojo,I’m talking about Brett Myers..not Kevin Slowey
    ______________
    I’m not a Brett Myers fan. Too inconsistent over career.

  144. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 8:01 am

    MTU March 7th, 2011 at 8:00 am

    Bojo-

    Depending on what it takes I’ll have Danks, or Kershaw (yeah, in my fantasy world he’s available).
    ________________
    Give my regards to your fantasy world wife–Minka Kelly.

    :-)

  145. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 8:01 am

    Cash-

    I’ll just show ya’. How’s that ?

    https://picasaweb.google.com/cybermrb03/VallleyOfFireSP?authkey=Gv1sRgCLack6iAgvf2Hg#

    Enjoy.

    :)

  146. Cashmoney March 7th, 2011 at 8:02 am

    MTU, love to take Danks or Floyd off the Chicagoans, Let me call Daley see if we can make it windy enough to happen. If not I will shoot straight with Ozzie and decide it in a Domino game.

  147. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 8:04 am

    Bojo-

    Are you crazy Man ?

    The desert ain’t big enough for me to hide from an angry Jeter.

    Fortunately, she wouldn’t spit on my grave so I don’t need to worry.

    But I would accept Halle Berry as a substitute.

    :)

  148. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 8:06 am

    Cash-

    Many Latins are deadly at Dominoes.

    It’s like a bloodsport to them.

    Are you sure you can take Ozzie ?

  149. Cashmoney March 7th, 2011 at 8:06 am

    Wow…
    1. It’s majestic
    2. Me will die in 5 mins in such habitats.

    Dunno know if u read Cormac Mccarthy stuff… grand yet stark vistas MTU.

  150. blake March 7th, 2011 at 8:08 am

    Mell,

    True, that’s a pretty hefty package but I think the Ms would probably demand Montero be included at this point in time. Can’t see them dealing him to the Yanks without getting their best. Personally I don’t think its out of the question that he’s made available this summer…..

  151. Mell March 7th, 2011 at 8:09 am

    “The list is Gio Gonzales, John Danks, CJ Wilson, Jason Vargas, Johan Santana, Francisco Liriano, and Wandy Rodriguez. I don’t list others that I don’t think would be available”

    Don’t imagine Gonzalez would be available at all. 50/50 on Danks as I think Chicago will look to keep him and move Buerhle if they fall out of things. Rest probably will be available at some point. Not a big Vargas fan. You take him out of Seattle and you got Jeff Francis. Very hittable, doesn’t miss bats. I think Rodriguez is the most appealing, based on likely availability, cost in terms of prospects, and financial commitment.

  152. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Cash-

    This ain’t no country for old men like me.

    Yup.

    Big CM fan.

    Sometimes I have trouble understanding his linguistics like in “Suttree”.

    Too convoluted, I had to put it down.

    His Western stuff is great. Still more to read there.

  153. Betsy March 7th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    M, that wasn’t the Onion, that was some dumb blog – and no, I definitely did not think it was funny, lol

  154. blake March 7th, 2011 at 8:11 am

    Danks would be my pick if that litter by a good margin …..ChiSox wont give him away though and I expect them to compete or win that division.

  155. Betsy March 7th, 2011 at 8:13 am

    M’s can have Betances, not Banuelos…………..we’re talking Felix again? LOL

  156. Mell March 7th, 2011 at 8:13 am

    “Personally I don’t think its out of the question that he’s made available this summer…..”

    Might be. Thing is, it won’t be financial with them. If they move him, it’ll be to hit a homerun in terms of the prospect package coming back.

  157. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 8:13 am

    Blake-

    You may be right.

    We may have a chance to find out what it would take to land the King.

    ;)

  158. Cashmoney March 7th, 2011 at 8:13 am

    MTU, blood Meridian was the best of that bunch, but yeah, I dig his writing style but He can get a bit Faulkner-ish.

  159. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 8:14 am

    BTW–to me, the litmus test for a pitcher acquisition this season is this question: “Is this a guy that I want starting game 2 or 3 in the play-offs against Boston?”

    If the answer is no, I pass on giving up any prospects for him. We have enough pitching already to get us to play-offs IMO…we just need a stud lefty to neutralize Boston–who I see as our major obstacle to WC.

    And even if they aren’t our chief rival, it is always a good litmus test anyway.

  160. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Mell March 7th, 2011 at 8:09 am

    “The list is Gio Gonzales, John Danks, CJ Wilson, Jason Vargas, Johan Santana, Francisco Liriano, and Wandy Rodriguez. I don’t list others that I don’t think would be available”

    Don’t imagine Gonzalez would be available at all. 50/50 on Danks as I think Chicago will look to keep him and move Buerhle if they fall out of things. Rest probably will be available at some point. Not a big Vargas fan. You take him out of Seattle and you got Jeff Francis. Very hittable, doesn’t miss bats. I think Rodriguez is the most appealing, based on likely availability, cost in terms of prospects, and financial commitment.
    ________________
    As I said…IF they are healthy and available. If Oakland is hit by injuries and falls out of it, etc. I agree on Vargas except that his stats against lefties are great, and we need a good lefty against Boston.

  161. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 8:18 am

    I can’t trade our premier farm system players who really could make the club and contribute for years to come for any one player–even Felix Hernandez. The risk of him getting injured are too great…IMO it is better to get contributions from 2-4 players at the level these kids are projected to contribute than just one. I don’t like the concept of putting all one’s eggs in one basket.

  162. Cashmoney March 7th, 2011 at 8:18 am

    Ozzie might ‘bleed’ me in Domino, but the… for the welfares of NY Yankees I might have to do. Also,I will bring Chip as my attache along with Jerkface. Chip will propose so many trades to confuse Ozzie and while Jerk can bombard Ozzie with stats.

    Shock and Awe baby.

  163. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 8:20 am

    Cash-

    You need to keep a dictionary handy when reading him.

    That’s for sure.

  164. blake March 7th, 2011 at 8:21 am

    “Might be. Thing is, it won’t be financial with them. If they move him, it’ll be to hit a homerun in terms of the prospect package coming back.”

    Totally agree which is why I think they would want Montero in any deal. I do think they mah listen to offers at some point but also expect the price to be too big for just about everyone unless he requests a trade and they feel they need to.move him.

  165. Betsy March 7th, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Bojo, I wouldn’t either. I mean, I’d trade a few – but I’m not trading a bunch for Felix. Then we’ll have one great pitcher and a lesser team to show for it……..

  166. joeman March 7th, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Mark Buehrle would be a nice SP to add if the Sox are looking to deal …he’s a FA in 12

  167. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Cash-

    Good plan. If you can’t beat ‘em with skill just baffle ‘em with BS.

    Doesn’t take much to get Ozzie rattled. Easy to break his concentration.

    Then he’s all yours.

    ;)

  168. Cashmoney March 7th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Yeah, MTU, that’s my fool proof plan:) … we need ‘real’ baseball soon. I feel like living in groundhog’s day, everyday we have the recurring samesie convo :)

  169. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 8:27 am

    joeman March 7th, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Mark Buehrle would be a nice SP to add if the Sox are looking to deal …he’s a FA in 12
    _______________
    Why settle for nice?

  170. joeman March 7th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Safety rules are your best tools

  171. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Cash-

    It’s coming soon.

    Tranquillo. Calmate !

    :)

  172. Mell March 7th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    “Mark Buehrle would be a nice SP to add if the Sox are looking to deal …he’s a FA in 12″

    Yeah, he’d be OK. Gives you innings. Has some postseason experience. Doesn’t walk guys. You’ll always find him near the top of the list in hits allowed, but he makes his starts (30+ every year for the last decade) and he’s been pretty consistent throughout his career.

  173. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Cashman’s favorite phrases:

    “It’s a process.”

    “We’re monitoring the situation.”

    ;)

  174. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Mell March 7th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    “Mark Buehrle would be a nice SP to add if the Sox are looking to deal …he’s a FA in 12?

    Yeah, he’d be OK. Gives you innings. Has some postseason experience. Doesn’t walk guys. You’ll always find him near the top of the list in hits allowed, but he makes his starts (30+ every year for the last decade) and he’s been pretty consistent throughout his career.
    ______________
    Does he start game 3 in play-offs? Against Boston or Texas? I don’t think so.

  175. Mell March 7th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    “Why settle for nice?”

    1) It tends to be what’s available
    2) Relatively small prospect cost
    3) No long term financial commitment
    4) “Nice” probably best defines what they’ll need (read: an “ace” would be nice, but not needed)

  176. Mell March 7th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    “Does he start game 3 in play-offs? Against Boston or Texas? I don’t think so.”

    Given the present group of guys, he stands a better than average chance.

  177. Erin March 7th, 2011 at 8:35 am

    I love that picture of Cano and Yogi on the last thread!!

    I just read Cervelli’s quotes from Saturday-love his attitude. I know it’s wrong of me to kind of hope that Martin goes down around the time Cervelli is ready to play, but I don’t care. ;) It’s really weird all of his ST injuries occur right around his birthday. It’s like he’s got a birthday curse or something.

  178. MTU March 7th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Bojo-

    That’s my test too.

    Can Pitcher X help us in the Playoff’s ? And what’s he gonna cost ?

    Otherwise it’s probably not worth the freight.

    I’m content to wait until the TD so we can get a better microscope on things.

    We may not need anyone.

    Who knows.

  179. Erin March 7th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    pat March 7th, 2011 at 7:48 am
    Good morning.

    Happy Pulaski Day!

    I have no idea what Pulaski Day is but the gentleman on the news here says some people have today off because of it and I feel like Chicagoans have been holding out on us and getting an extra holiday off from work.

    *****************************
    pat, I always used to get Pulaski Day off from school, but sadly I’ve never gotten the day off of work.

  180. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Mell March 7th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    “Why settle for nice?”

    1) It tends to be what’s available
    2) Relatively small prospect cost
    3) No long term financial commitment
    4) “Nice” probably best defines what they’ll need (read: an “ace” would be nice, but not needed)
    _____________
    They have nice plus coming up….I don’t think B gives us anything. And adding a player just because he is available and cheap makes no sense for this team.

  181. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 8:41 am

    MTU March 7th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    I’m content to wait until the TD so we can get a better microscope on things. We may not need anyone. Who knows.
    _____________
    Agreed 100%. Cashman is doing exactly the right thing…He knows the play-off roster is the one that is most important…so he’ll wait as long as possible to see what he needs and who can best help and is available. He won’t trade prospects just because a player is a nice player. The player has to be the #2 or #3 starter in play-offs.

  182. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Mell March 7th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    “Does he start game 3 in play-offs? Against Boston or Texas? I don’t think so.”

    Given the present group of guys, he stands a better than average chance.
    _____________
    Let me phrase it this way…”Do we want him starting that game?”

    NO!

  183. Mell March 7th, 2011 at 8:43 am

    “And adding a player just because he is available and cheap makes no sense for this team.”

    Depends on the needs. If Sabathia somehow went down, then “nice” ain’t near enough. If it’s concerns over Burnett, or struggles at the 4/5, then “nice” is what you need.

  184. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 8:45 am

    Or another way to look at it…

    Andy Pettitte would be a guy that I would want starting game #2 or #3. If Andy were healthy and pitching well this year, and was going to play for the next 1-2 years at the same level, would you trade Andy for the pitcher in question?

    I could say I would move Andy for Gio, Danks, Santana, Wilson, and Liriano–IF those players were healthy. Would not do it for Buerhle.

  185. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Mell March 7th, 2011 at 8:43 am

    “And adding a player just because he is available and cheap makes no sense for this team.”

    Depends on the needs. If Sabathia somehow went down, then “nice” ain’t near enough. If it’s concerns over Burnett, or struggles at the 4/5, then “nice” is what you need.
    ________________
    I guess our litmus tests are different. I don’t think they need a #4 or #5 pitcher, and can make the play-offs with what they have.

    Adding Buerhle doesn’t take us to next level, so I would not give up any prospects of value. Really not a trade that interests me, but that is just my opinion.

  186. Mell March 7th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    “Let me phrase it this way…”Do we want him starting that game?”

    If it’s between him and Burnett? Depends on what Burnett looks like. But if their respective careers are any indication, then the answer is YES.

  187. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Also, adding a player like Buerhle just blocks the development of our prospects like Nova and Noesi. Really is a negative addition. Buerhle is the kind of player teams trade away so their top prospects can get a chance.

  188. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Mell March 7th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    “Let me phrase it this way…”Do we want him starting that game?”

    If it’s between him and Burnett? Depends on what Burnett looks like. But if their respective careers are any indication, then the answer is YES.
    __________
    That wasn’t the question. If Burnett also is a no, then Cashman needs to use his chips for someone who is a YES. It isn’t Buerhle.

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    Erin, I heard the same from one leg centipede.

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    Fair enough. Then we’re talking about a different test.

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    Buerhle is pretty comparable to Pettite stat wise. Yeah sure, I start him in game 3.

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    Cashmoney March 7th, 2011 at 8:51 am
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  197. BoJo March 7th, 2011 at 8:57 am

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    Buerhle is pretty comparable to Pettite stat wise. Yeah sure, I start him in game 3.
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    Later Bojo, and opinion is pretty all there is in this case.

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    # Cashmoney March 7th, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Buerhle is pretty comparable to Pettite stat wise. Yeah sure, I start him in game 3.
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    what he said…..

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    Joeman, Do you hit on 12 if the dealer has a 2 showing in blackjack?

  201. joeman March 7th, 2011 at 9:05 am

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    Joeman, Do you hit on 12 if the dealer has a 2 showing in blackjack?
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    most of the time I hit the 12

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    Does your decision ride on the stake u have on a hand, or u switch up at whim, Say if it’s a 5k bet.

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  204. Cashmoney March 7th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Anywho, that’s how i feel about buerhle, it depends on the stake and it’s kind of grey area.

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    “Does your decision ride on the stake u have on a hand, or u switch up at whim, Say if it’s a 5k bet.”

    You sittin’ at the big boy table, Cashmoney?

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    Sometimes Mell, not a big BJ person. But i have double down on 5k before and I don’t take insurance on a bet.

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