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Inside the Yankees spring training clubhouse

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 09, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I have a good friend named Nathan who leads hunting safaris in Africa. I was never a hunter myself, but I’ve decided that one of Nathan’s Bullet Safaris t-shirts is a solid choice for this morning’s paintball game with the Yankees coaches, front office staff and beat writers. I feel like it gives me some sort of psychological edge, like I’m a big game hunter who’s now going after pro scouting directors.

Anyway, I’ll obviously be away from my computer for a while. To fill the space while I’m gone, I thought I’d post a tour of the home clubhouse at Steinbrenner Field. It’s kind of an awkward place to explain — the room is uneven, and there are some lockers that are not along the outer wall — but this should give you some idea of who’s locker is where down here in Tampa. See you in a few hours when I’m all bruised and battered.

There are three ways into the Yankees clubhouse at Steinbrenner Field, but the main entrance is a set of double doors that come in from a hallway that leads to coaches offices and eventually to the dugout. Coming in from the hallway, the doors open into what we’ll call the front of the clubhouse. The door is more or less in the middle of a wall that has lockers on either side.

Front wall (from left to right): Luis Ayala, open locker, Doug Bernier, main entrance, Gene Monahan, Steve Donohue, Dana Cavalea, Roman Rodriguez

In other words, when you walk in the room, Bernier’s locker is to your immediate left and Monahan’s locker is to your immediate right. The empty locker between Bernier and Ayala was supposed to be Brandon Laird’s, but he was moved after it was decided Reegie Corona wouldn’t be in camp. Laird took Corona’s old locker and never actually moved into his original locker. You pretty much never see Monahan, Donohue or Cavalea at their lockers.

Far left wall (starting in the corner, next to Ayala and going toward the back of the room): CC Sabathia, Joba Chamberlain, Freddy Garcia, Bartolo Colon, Ivan Nova, Phil Hughes, A.J. Burnett, (gap), Dave Robertson, Boone Logan, Sergio Mitre, Pedro Feliciano, Rafael Soriano, Mariano Rivera

The left wall is obviously where most of the big league pitching staff is stationed. Last year, Logan had a different locker — that empty locker on the front wall — but he was moved into the big league row this spring. Rivera’s locker is slightly bigger than the rest (the size of a catcher’s locker). In the space between Burnett and Robertson, there’s a television hanging on the wall. It splits what is — for the most part — the rotation half of the wall from the bullpen half of the wall.

Past Rivera’s locker is an open doorway that leads back to the player’s dining room. A few feet past that doorway, the left wall ends, running into a back wall that’s home to five oversized lockers, large enough to handle bulky catcher’s equipment.

Back, left wall (starting in the back, left corner): Jorge Posada, Francisco Cervelli, Austin Romine, Jesus Montero, Russell Martin

Not much that needs explaining here. Posada and Martin get the choice spots on the ends. Montero is new to this wall — he was in the middle of the room last year — but Romine had a spot on the catchers’ wall last spring.

Next to Martin’s locker is a big open doorway that leads to the showers (essentially the showers are on the back side of the catchers’ wall) The right side of the clubhouse goes farther back than the left side. In other words, the catchers’ wall does not extend to the right side of the room. The back, right side of the room is as far back as you can get, maybe 10 feet farther back than the catchers’ wall.

Back, right wall (starting from the left, next to the showers): Nick Swisher, Eric Chavez, Colin Curtis, Andruw Jones, Curtis Granderson, Mark Teixeira

In perhaps the biggest clubhouse move from last spring, Curtis went from the very front of the room — in a decidedly minor league section of the clubhouse — to the very back, which is a decidedly Major League section. Former Oakland teammates Swisher and Chavez are side-by-side, just like former Detroit teammates Granderson and Marcus Thames were next to one another last year.

Teixeira’s locker is in the back, right corner. The right wall starts at his locker and runs the length of the clubhouse to the front of the room. Beginning at Teixiera’s locker, the first 10 feet or so of the right wall has no lockers, only a single door that opens into a corridor that leads to the batting cages (hitters come in and out of that door all the time). Lockers start just past that door.

Far right wall (starting just past the door to the cages): Alex Rodriguez, Brett Gardner, Robinson Cano, Eduardo Nunez, Greg Golson, Ronnie Belliard, Ramiro Pena, Kevin Russo, Derek Jeter, (gap), Andrew Brackman, Romulo Sanchez, Andy Sisco, Brian Anderson, Buddy Carlyle, empty, Mark Prior

The empty locker used to belong to Neal Cotts. The gap is only a few feet — more or less directly across the room from the gap on the left wall — and it essentially splits the hitters from the pitchers. That three-locker section of Brackman, Sanchez and Sisco is big-guy central. Lockers in the corners and next to gaps are kind of prime real estate. Brackman’s been in big league camp for a long time now, so he gets a good spot, and Prior’s veteran status seems to have landed him a good spot as well. Prior’s locker is in the corner where the right wall meets the front wall. Prior is next to Roman Rodriguez.

The middle lockers
When you walk in that main entrance at the front of the room, the Yankees clubhouse is very clearly divided into a left side and a right side. The left side of the clubhouse is wide open. You could walk straight from Bernier’s locker to Martin’s locker without running into anything. The right side of the room is the opposite. The right side has row after row of lockers, with each row running perpendicular to the right wall. It’s crowded over there.

First row of middle lockers (from left to right): Empty, Justin Maxwell, Ryan Pope, Gustavo Molina

These lockers face the front wall. Basically, Molina’s locker is directly across from Roman Rodriguez’s locker, and the empty locker is directly across from Monahan’s locker. The lockers face one another, with a few feet between them. The empty locker used to belong to Maxwell, but he was moved one spot over when Brian Schlitter was claimed by the Phillies.

Second row: Dellin Betances, Daniel Turpen, Hector Noesi, Jose Gil
Third row: Melky Mesa, Jordan Parraz, Robert Fish, Kyle Higashioka

The second row is back-to-back with the first row, facing the opposite direction. The third row faces the second row, so that the second and third rows form their own little section. Essentially, all eight of these players share one second.

Fourth row: Warner Madrigal, D.J. Mitchell, Steve Garrison, David Phelps
Fifth row: Adam Warren, Eric Wordekemper, Brandon Laird, Manny Banuelos

Like the second and third rows, the fourth and fifth rows face one another and form a little section. This is where the young pitchers hang out all the time. Brackman and Pope sit around in this section a lot. In fact, you’re just as likely to find a pitcher sitting at Laird’s locker as you are to find Laird sitting at Laird’s locker.

Sixth row: Austin Krum, Daniel Brewer, Jorge Vazquez and Brad Suttle

These lockers are back-to-back with the fifth row, and they face the back of the room, with a lot of room between these lockers and the row of lockers with Swisher, Granderson and Teixiera. Suttle is actually right next to Gardner and Alex Rodriguez.

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623 Responses to “Inside the Yankees spring training clubhouse”

  1. Erin March 9th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Very cool “tour” :)

    Good luck in paintball Chad!

  2. MTU March 9th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    Far back of the room.

    The Hurt Locker.

    Where the Yankees put other teams.

    ;)

  3. Charlie Sheen March 9th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    The National Enquirer can’t hold a roman candle to me. As a new day dawns with a nice warm cup of Tiger’s Blood and a smoke, then off to wreak more havoc.

    Just like with the Yankees, WINNING IS EVERYTHING ! !

  4. Ys Guy March 9th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    chad, sam, i think its time to do something about ruby/er/charlie sheen…

  5. upstate kate March 9th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Flaherty and Kay were discussing how the catchers all locker together. Flaherty says it is so they can have intelligent conversations, since catchers are the smartest players…or something like that! It was funnier when he said it.

  6. MTU March 9th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    kate-

    Then Flaherty must long to be speaking with other catchers rather than Kay.

    :)

  7. BoJo March 9th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Good morning all..

    MTU March 9th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Kate-

    Sorry. wrongo. No option according to “COTS”

    Should have checked first.
    ___________________
    No option required. He is still under team control, and can be offered a contract and arbitration…or released at no cost.

  8. rodg12 March 9th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Chad must have left out AJ on the list. Guessing from the commentary after, he should be placed after Hughes and before the gap.

  9. upstate kate March 9th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    MTU
    I am sure that is true…altho he did attend Kay’s wedding, so maybe they get along better than it appears on the air.

  10. Crawdaddy March 9th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Why do you think Kay and Flaherty don’t get along?

  11. MTU March 9th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Kate-

    Kay makes me think of nails on a chalkboard.

    Bojo-

    That is true but an inexpensive option w. a cheap buyout would be better.

    If Martin has a good year this year his cost is gonna go way up either thru contract or arb.

    And I think he’s gonna have a good year.

  12. Crawdaddy March 9th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Men don’t go to other guy’s weddings unless they think of that person as a friend.

  13. rodg12 March 9th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Flash and Kay bust each others chops all the time on the air. Doesn’t mean their not friends though. Happens all the time with guys.

  14. upstate kate March 9th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    IDK, it just appears to me that the Flash/Kay interactions have more of an edge to them…maybe Kay just has that effect on people.

  15. BoJo March 9th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Crawdaddy March 9th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Men don’t go to other guy’s weddings unless they think of that person as a friend.
    __________________
    I guess you didn’t see the movie “The Wedding Crashers.”

  16. CountryClub March 9th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    It was only one inning, but I liked what I saw from Brackman yesterday. He seemed to be very much in control of his stuff. As far as polish goes, I’d go Manny, brackman & then Betances.

  17. mick March 9th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Flaherty is a no nonsense guy.
    Kay grates on your nerves.
    Combustible.

  18. CompassRosy March 9th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Would you like to be a fly on the wall if Jack Z called Cash looking to make a deal?

    Don’t count on it :)
    at least not for Felix…

    http://tinyurl.com/4cf6ft3

    For once, a team that has been largely ignored by the national media this spring, had a fairly sizable nonlocal contingent on hand, clustered around Hernandez afterward.

    One wanted to know what Hernandez thought of the Mariners’ proclamation that they won’t trade him, even if every other team in baseball — most with higher immediate aspirations — would obviously be interested.

    “That’s good,” Hernandez said with a wide smile. “Oh yeah, I love it, this is the best for me. I love it here. I want to stay here.”

    I guess he’s having too much fun being Michael Pineda’s mentor….
    Apparently he cut his mid-game interview short after his Cactus League debut so he could get back to the dugout and watch Pineda’s outing :)

    Hopefully, I’ll get to see them both next week during my Spring Training trip … can’t wait!

  19. Crawdaddy March 9th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    I guess you didn’t see the movie “The Wedding Crashers.”

    There is a difference between a comedy and reality.

  20. RayVT March 9th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    Very observant GB!!

  21. LGY March 9th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    So…

    Nunez or Pena?

  22. LGY March 9th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Novey or Coloney for the 5th spot?

  23. BoJo March 9th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Crawdaddy March 9th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    I guess you didn’t see the movie “The Wedding Crashers.”

    There is a difference between a comedy and reality.
    ___________________
    That explains lot of trades proposed here.

  24. LGY March 9th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Coloney is too much of a mouthful for a nickname.

    Girardi would be better off just sticking to Tubby.

  25. Tom in N.J. March 9th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    I fear it will be Barty

  26. Tom in N.J. March 9th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Yikes for Chase Utley:

    Team trainer Michael Ciccotti issued a statement saying that the knee problems have not responded to treatment as well as they have in the past and “an MRI was obtained that demonstrated his prior tendinitis, chondromalacia, and bone inflammation.”

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......ee-injury/

  27. BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    CompassRosy -

    All I can say is, I’m glad Jack Z is your GM, and not ours.

    How’s that hot 1B he traded Lee for. We are all so glad he passed on Montero, after all, he’s not a very good ball player, right.

    You can keep Felix, he’s happy being a big man playing with small boys, don’t think he could handle the big lights, and he’ll never turn the M’s into winners. As long as he’s happy, and has no desire to win a championship, he can finish his career with the M’s.

  28. BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    The Phillies can always call Texas, they have a spare 2B, and I’m sure they’d love to ask the moon for him.

  29. charlestonchew March 9th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Is it just me or is that African Hunting Safari website disturbing?

    Why are people going to three different countries in Africa with guns and shooting these animals?

    People are sick.

  30. Tom in N.J. March 9th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    This product suddenly makes sense:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Propor.....B003XDZNK8

  31. West Coast Yankee Fan March 9th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    charlestonchew March 9th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Is it just me or is that African Hunting Safari website disturbing? Why are people going to three different countries in Africa with guns and shooting these animals?

    People are sick.

    *************

    It’ not just you and yes people are. There are extraordinary photo safaris where one can capture all the majesty of the animals without taking their life for no reason.

  32. BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Had Chase Utley had the knee surgery during the off season, he’d be on the field today. Either the Phillies are getting poor medical advise, or Utley was not being up front about his condition.

  33. Triple Short of a Cycle March 9th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    charlestonchew,

    For the “sport” of it silly. I say to even things up a bit they should remove the guns that people use and let the animal and human go at it evenly

  34. MTU March 9th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    “Team trainer Michael Ciccotti issued a statement saying that the knee problems have not responded to treatment as well as they have in the past and “an MRI was obtained that demonstrated his prior tendinitis, chondromalacia, and bone inflammation.”

    Translation:

    Unfortunately, Chase Utley is falling apart.

    Here’s more from the report above:

    “Utley has undergone three surgeries in the past four years. In 2007 his right wrist was operated on, his right hip after the 2008 season and on his right thumb this past July.”

    Not good if you’re a Phillies fan. Another surgery may be required.
    This time on the knee.

    He has already received a cortisone shot to no avail.

    Here’s the entire link.

    http://www.kansascity.com/2011.....nions.html

  35. LGY March 9th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    When I was in South Africa, I went to a lion rescue.

    Like a dog or cat rescue group we have here, but for lions.

    It was crazy to see.

  36. BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    charlestonchew March 9th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    **********************************************

    I’d love to go to Africa on a photo safari, but, I never saw the purpose of killing an animal for sport or a trophy head as something I’d want to do.

    People that deer hunt, and eat what they kill, does make sense, because the number taken is controlled, and necessary to thin the herd. If that’s not done, then many would starve to death. There is a major difference in that type of hunting.

  37. MTU March 9th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    The Phils have lost Werth. They’ve lost Brown for 4-6 weeks.

    And now they may lose Utley.

    The injury bug seems to be biting hard.

  38. Giuseppe Franco March 9th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    I’m sure Kay and Flaherty get along off air just fine. They are simply trying to entertain the audience with that stuff.

    Back in the 80s, I had no choice but to watch the Cubs on WGN because there was no MLB Extra Innings package on Direct TV in those days and my family didn’t have cable.

    I hated the White Sox (and still do to this day) so my only source of baseball viewing was the tandem of Harry Caray and Steve Stone doing the Cubs games on WGN.

    Oftentimes on the air, Steve Stone would light up a cigar and Harry Caray would always complain how much they stunk and pleaded with Stone to quit smoking them. This “feud” regarding the smelly cigars went on for several years. Joe from LI and GB7 may remember this.

    A couple of years after Caray died, Stone wrote a book about his experience broadcasting with the legend of Harry Caray.

    Stone confessed in the book that the cigar feud was entirely Harry Caray’s idea. Stone didn’t even smoke cigars all that often. It was just a schtick to entertain the fans when there wasn’t a whole lot of excitement on the field (which was quite common considering this was the Cubs).

    Obviously, Caray and Stone didn’t invent the concept of entertaining the fans during a broadcast. That’s a big part of their job to keep viewers interested. Just as much as it is to inform, explain, and analyze what’s happening on the field.

  39. BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    MTU -

    Still think the Phillies are all that bad? They were going to have trouble scoring runs this year, compared to last, and now it could be even worse.

    Perhaps Phillies will get the RS bug of last year, then the only way Lee gets to the WS is by buying a ticket.

  40. Giuseppe Franco March 9th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    # West Coast Yankee Fan March 9th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    It’ not just you and yes people are. There are extraordinary photo safaris where one can capture all the majesty of the animals without taking their life for no reason.

    ——–

    Shut up with your BS. I knew as soon as I read the first sentence of Chad’s post that you’d be blubbering over this crap again.

  41. CompassRosy March 9th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Al -

    I don’t think Jack ever said Montero wasn’t a good player, quite the opposite, in fact. But, pparently, he peferred the totality of te Texas deal. Has Smoak panned out as the centerpiece of that deal? Too early to tell. Seems reasonable to give a young player more than 100 big league games before fully assessing.

    As for Felix and his “small boys” …
    sure he can’t win a champonship on his own, but having a young CY to build around is a good start :)

  42. upstate kate March 9th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    you can tell it is a quiet news day when an off hand comment about Kay and Flaherty leads to discussion :)

  43. Giuseppe Franco March 9th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    I’m sure Chad didn’t intend to turn this thread into a PETA ad.

  44. MTU March 9th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Al-

    Their pitching is great but you’re right they may have trouble scoring enough runs if they wind up losing Utley too.

    In addition, they were counting on Brown to step up.

    These are the dangers of an aging team mixed with some bad luck.

    Maybe no Phillies Boston WS after all.

    What will the talking heads do ? That’s their wet dream going up in smoke.

  45. blake March 9th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Country Club,

    I would agree with that in the little bit I’ve seen them. CB pointed it out last night but Betances does seem to struggle a bit keeping his front shoulder closed….it has kept him up in the zone this spring. That may just be because its early but he was flying open pretty badly yesterday….man what an arm though. If those two can ever iron out their deliveries ….watch out.

  46. Bronx Jeers March 9th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    This thread could get very Hemingwayesque I see.

    What about bullfighting?

    It’s not art. It’s not sport. So what is it?

  47. BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    CompassRosy -

    I’m just having some fun. I think the majority of Yankees fans were very glad the trade didn’t go through, I know I was. I always thought we’d get Lee in the off season, without giving up talent, only money. Teams can always make more money, finding great prospect is much more difficult to do.

    No question Felix is a great pitcher, but I don’t agree he deserved the Cy Young. Lester was a better pitcher, against tougher teams, as was Price. But, I didn’t get a vote.

  48. Tom in N.J. March 9th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    People hunt, I use to think of it as barbaric and whatnot. Until I lived in an area of the country where hunting is a normal way of life, something hat bonds people together. Oftentimes, I have found, a hunter has a great respect for the animal he hunts.

  49. Tom in N.J. March 9th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    “This thread could get very Hemingwayesque I see”

    Needs more booze.

  50. blake March 9th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    I thought the Braves would have a shot in that division even if the Phils did have Utley, if they lose him or he isn’t 100% then I think the Braves will win the division.

  51. LGY March 9th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    There is also different types of hunting.

    Canned hunting kind of removes the whole sport aspect to it.

  52. BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    MTU -

    The team coming out of the AL East should win the WS, period.

    Can the Phillies be a great team, yes, will they be a great team, I don’t think so.

    Due to age, and other considerations, I’m looking for both Doc and Lee to spend some time on the DL this year, and that could translate into 3-4 less wins.

    Write it down, and tell me I was nuts if I’m wrong, or perhaps you’ll see that I was spot on.

  53. BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    blake -

    We may be in the minority concerning the Phillies, but, at least we know what we’re talking about, lol.

  54. Against All Odds March 9th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    # BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    MTU -

    The team coming out of the AL East should win the WS, period.

    Can the Phillies be a great team, yes, will they be a great team, I don’t think so.

    Due to age, and other considerations, I’m looking for both Doc and Lee to spend some time on the DL this year, and that could translate into 3-4 less wins.

    Write it down, and tell me I was nuts if I’m wrong, or perhaps you’ll see that I was spot on.

    ———————————-

    So you’re saying the Phillies WS tickets were premature

  55. Tom in N.J. March 9th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    “There is also different types of hunting.

    Canned hunting kind of removes the whole sport aspect to it.”

    True, LGY. Paying money to go onto a fenced in “game reserve” while you and your friends drive around in a jeep armed to the teeth is not really hunting.

  56. BoJo March 9th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Wow–good thing that the rest of the NL teams didn’t just give up when they heard how awesome the Phillies were on paper…

  57. MTU March 9th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Al-

    If the Phils don’t make it that’s fine with me.

    That staff could be deadly if they get there.

    Look what the Giants pulled off with a lesser rotation last season.

    Pitching wins championships.

  58. BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    I don’t want to say the Phillies are an old team, but, why is it the majority of their players get handicap parking.

  59. G. Love March 9th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    How did a Mariners fan end up in here this morning? I didn’t know they actually existed.

  60. MTU March 9th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    G. Love-

    Compass Rosy is a very nice Lady. She has visited here many times in the past and has always been polite and easy to talk to.

    I like her. Seattle fan or not.

    :)

  61. blake March 9th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    AL,

    The Phillies are old….not only because their major league roster is aging but because they have traded a lot of their youth in the farm system to gear up for a short term run.

  62. BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    So you’re saying the Phillies WS tickets were premature

    *********************************************
    Yes, way too premature. If the Phillies were to print WS tickets, they could become collectors items, as in never used.

  63. Joe from Long Island March 9th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    GF – I wasn’t living in Chicago when Harry and Steve Stone were doing the Cubs, but I did know of their routine.

    I do remember Harry and Jimmy Piersall doing the White Sox games, in the late 70s. The White Sox had some pretty bad teams and players then (remember Disco Demolition Night?), and, when the games were bombs themselves, Harry and Jimmy would start in on something or other – Harry’s drinking (often done to the sounds of a flip-top can opening, on air), to Jimmy’s psychiatric issues, to pretty girls in the stands. I remember one time when they started attacking a local bank. Anything to keep viewers tuned in.

  64. upstate kate March 9th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    G Love
    CompassRosy checks in w/ us occasionally. She is a dedicated fan, as you can see if you check out her blog.

  65. stuckey99 March 9th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Fundamental baseball law #151:

    Fans of teams with a rotation like the Phillies believe their team is lock.

    Fans of other teams with playoff potential believe the Phillies are overrated and highlight their flaws.

    Give any of the latter fans the Phillies rotation and they’d become the former fans without blinking an eye.

  66. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    GF, he isn’t smart enough to realize that those hunts are controlled by game wardens and is used to control animal populations to thin out the weakest to allow the species to survive. They aren’t out there just butchering the animals. The hunts also pump money into local economies and pay for animal shelters for care and scientific studies.

  67. Against All Odds March 9th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    # BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    So you’re saying the Phillies WS tickets were premature

    *********************************************
    Yes, way too premature. If the Phillies were to print WS tickets, they could become collectors items, as in never used.

    —————————————————

    This post made my day. :D

  68. Erin March 9th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    This is a very entertaining thread. broadcasting partners, hunting, Hemingway and the Phillies. LOL

  69. MTU March 9th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    I’m leaving for Vegas in a little while.

    Anyone want want me to lay down a bet ?

    :)

  70. BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    CompassRosy -

    I think you have a great web site, nice job.

  71. G. Love March 9th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    My apologies. I thought Mariners fans were a myth like Sasquatch, the Chupacabra and Cablevision Customer Service.

  72. BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    MTU -

    Lay down 4100 for me on the Yankees to win the AL East. Thanks, when they win, I’ll split it with you.

  73. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Joe from Long Island March 9th, 2011 at 11:38 am
    GF – I wasn’t living in Chicago when Harry and Steve Stone were doing the Cubs, but I did know of their routine.

    I do remember Harry and Jimmy Piersall doing the White Sox games, in the late 70s. The White Sox had some pretty bad teams and players then (remember Disco Demolition Night?), and, when the games were bombs themselves, Harry and Jimmy would start in on something or other – Harry’s drinking (often done to the sounds of a flip-top can opening, on air), to Jimmy’s psychiatric issues, to pretty girls in the stands. I remember one time when they started attacking a local bank. Anything to keep viewers tuned in.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It was the same running gags that White, Messer and Rizzuto had with the canolis, Rizzuto out on the GW during the 7th inning.

  74. BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    That’s $100, not 4100 oh boy.

  75. MTU March 9th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    G. Love-

    Maybe the only myth there is the last item.

    Don’t forget to mention El Dorado next time.

    ;)

  76. blake March 9th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Stuckey,

    Maybe but the other #21 roster spots do matter. Remember when the Red Sox were only going to have to score 2 runs a game to win because of their “4 aces”? If the Yankees had the Phillies rotation then yea I would be giddy as everything…..but part of the reason why is because those other 21 guys on the Yankees are much better than the Phillies IMO.

  77. BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    GB7 -

    Remember when rizzuto was on the air, and it would start to lightning, like in KC, he’d be off for the hotel without so much as a good-bye.

  78. LGY March 9th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Tom

    Personally I can’t even begin to understand the desire to hunt generally, but that type seems very serial killer esque to me.

  79. MTU March 9th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Al-

    I was just kidding. You’ll just have call your bookie.

    I stay as far away from Casinos as possible. Avoid ‘em like the plague.

    ;)

  80. BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    G. Love -

    Dolon on line 1 for you.

  81. MTU March 9th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Catch U all later.

    :)

  82. BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    MTU -

    I was kidding too when I said I’d split it with you, lol.

  83. Giuseppe Franco March 9th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    # GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    GF, he isn’t smart enough to realize that those hunts are controlled by game wardens and is used to control animal populations to thin out the weakest to allow the species to survive. They aren’t out there just butchering the animals. The hunts also pump money into local economies and pay for animal shelters for care and scientific studies.

    ————-

    That’s a valid point. I just don’t get why people simply can’t help themselves but to inject their political views on a baseball blog.

    Religion, and politics (and Joba’s role) are the most divisive topics on earth. It’s common sense to stay clear of that stuff here.

  84. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    AL, Rizzuto was afraid of a lot of things…..especially bugs. Back in the day, Mantle knew that Rizzuto never put his glove on until he was at his position to start the inning. Manyle had stuck part of a hotdog in the finger. When he stuck his hand in the glove and felt the hotdog, Rizzuto screamed and threw the glove over his head and into the outfield. He refused to pick up the glove until somebody checked the glove and removed the hotdog.

  85. Giuseppe Franco March 9th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    # Joe from Long Island March 9th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    GF – I wasn’t living in Chicago when Harry and Steve Stone were doing the Cubs, but I did know of their routine.

    I do remember Harry and Jimmy Piersall doing the White Sox games, in the late 70s. The White Sox had some pretty bad teams and players then (remember Disco Demolition Night?), and, when the games were bombs themselves, Harry and Jimmy would start in on something or other – Harry’s drinking (often done to the sounds of a flip-top can opening, on air), to Jimmy’s psychiatric issues, to pretty girls in the stands. I remember one time when they started attacking a local bank. Anything to keep viewers tuned in.

    ————

    That was a little before my time. I was never that big of a Harry Caray fan myself, but Piersall was always hilarious.

    He used to guest host a weekly radio spot on a local Chicago sports station in the early 90s and it was always a must listen. Always had people rolling on the floor.

  86. pat March 9th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    craigcalcaterra UPDATE: The Yankees did not offer Aroldis Chapman $54 million http://t.co/1MEy41m #hbt

  87. Giuseppe Franco March 9th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Gotta go. Headed to the gym.

  88. Triple Short of a Cycle March 9th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Tom in N.J.,

    But hiding behind a tree with a gun is a sport?

  89. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Giuseppe Franco March 9th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    That’s a valid point. I just don’t get why people simply can’t help themselves but to inject their political views on a baseball blog.

    Religion, and politics (and Joba’s role) are the most divisive topics on earth. It’s common sense to stay clear of that stuff here.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Makes no difference what the subject is, he’s an expert on it. Been everywhere, knows everyone and done everything. If he has lived in as many places for as long as he’s said, his age would have him greating the boat at Plymouth Rock…..with Randy.

  90. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    greating the boat

    ***greeting***

  91. CountryClub March 9th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    The Phillies have an old (although great) rotation and an old and lefty heavy lineup. They are in no way a lock to do anything this yr.

    And the Sox rotation behind Lester is suspect. Buchholz was good last yr but advanced metrics show that he was lucky. Dice K is afraid to throw strikes. Beckett has had exactly 1 good yr in Boston. And Lackey is Lackey.

    If everything breaks right for those two teams, they could be dominant. But who says everything will break right?

  92. stuckey99 March 9th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Blake,

    Not suggesting the other 21 don’t matter, but the Phillies were 7th in scoring in the NL last year and finished with the best record in the Majors and Utlely missed like 50 games last year.

    I understand Werth was a big loss, but given their ballpark, I don’t expect them to start fall to the bottom half of the league in runs scored.

    And let’s not forget last year’s World Series champs finished the regular season 17th in runs scored.

    Phillies are going to be a tough beat.

  93. Triple Short of a Cycle March 9th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 11:40 am
    GF, he isn?t smart enough to realize that those hunts are controlled by game wardens and is used to control animal populations to thin out the weakest to allow the species to survive. They aren?t out there just butchering the animals. The hunts also pump money into local economies and pay for animal shelters for care and scientific studies.

    Hunters manipulate animal populations for their own benefit plus the only overpopulated deer is the whitetailed deer and that only accounts for 2 percent of the deer that is hunted. Also since rural areas are becoming less suitable for deers they are moving closer to the suburbs which are causing more and more auto accidents

  94. blake March 9th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Stuckey,

    Werth was huge in that lineup….he gave them balance. I think they could be very good if Utley and Howard are great and if Hamels pitches like he did in the 2nd half of last season. As CC said, if everything breaks right for them then they could be a monster …..but they have significant holes and age risk that could send the whole thong down the toilet IMO. They just aren’t a very well round team IMO….

  95. stuckey99 March 9th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    >>The Phillies have an old (although great) rotation and an old and lefty heavy lineup.<>They are in no way a lock to do anything this yr.<<

    They are an absolute lock to make the postseason.

    After that the '98 Yankees would be no lock in the postseason, because such a thing doesn't exist.

  96. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Pressure is off Brackman

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy

  97. BoJo March 9th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    I think Giants fall back a bit this year based on the “rays factor”–i.e., young pitching staff throwing much longer in season than ever before…I expect their arms to tire during this year.

  98. blake March 9th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Whole “thing” not thong ;)

  99. stuckey99 March 9th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    “The Phillies have an old (although great) rotation and an old and lefty heavy lineup.”

    “Old” is perhaps the most abused ad hominem criticism in sports. The Phillies players are 365 days older than they were last year at this time. To suggest this means sudden implosion is ignoring historical performance.

  100. blake March 9th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Old means their window is closing…..

  101. CompassRosy March 9th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Al ~

    I knew you were funnin’ a bit :-)

    On Felix and the CY…
    We will have to agree to disagree. I shan’t rehash it here and now, but you can read my thoughts (and some fun stats and facts) prior to the award announcement at your leisure, if you are so inclined…

    http://tinyurl.com/23u4u5j

    MTU, Kate, and Al ~

    Thanks for the kind words and the compliments re: the blog…
    I must admit, I’m a bit (OK, a LOT) embarrassed at it’s current state. I’m SO far behind on ST updates and it’s been an age since I’ve actually provided any original content. What can I say? Life’s been a bit crazy. But, my upcoming to trip to Spring Training should change both the crazy life AND the lack of good blog content … here’s hoping!

    :-)

  102. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    blake March 9th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
    Whole “thing” not thong

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I was unaware that Giambi had become a Phiilie

  103. Triple Short of a Cycle March 9th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    stuckey99,

    Nobody is saying that they are old because another calender year has been ripped off. Rollins has been getting hurt the last couple of years and is another year older. He is going to miss more and more days. Same with Utley. Howard is an old 31. Now the pitchers aren’t old no matter what their age is but their hitters are a different story which should illicit concern

  104. stuckey99 March 9th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    “if everything breaks right for them then they could be a monster ”

    Everything isn’t going to break right for them. But neither is everything going to break wrong, which is the point.

    They aren’t old enough to expect a sudden, group drop-off from historical performance. The safest bet is the roster will likely perform within percentage points up or down of the mean.

    Which is the same reason the Yankees are a lock for the postseason too.

    Yes, sometimes teams have collective, hard-luck years.

    But the Phillies and Yankees are similar. Relatively speaking their talent levels are simply too far above their competition to not overwhelm.

    People looking for rationalization that the Phillies won’t make the postseason (or the Yanks), IMO, are indulging in wishful voodoo.

  105. Erin March 9th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    BloggingBombers Coaches/front office beat the writers 4-1 in the 2nd annual paintball challange. Sr. Director of Pro Personnel Billy Eppler gets MVP honors.

  106. Erin March 9th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    I was unaware that Giambi had become a Phiilie

    ***************************

    :lol:

  107. BoJo March 9th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    stuckey99 March 9th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    But the Phillies and Yankees are similar. Relatively speaking their talent levels are simply too far above their competition to not overwhelm.
    _______________
    Please forgive my skepticism but if the Phillies have injuries, they don’t have the 40 man roster depth the Yankees had. IIRC, the Mets had a similar problem a few years ago…key injuries on parent club with no talent at AAA to fill in.

  108. BoJo March 9th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Erin March 9th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    BloggingBombers Coaches/front office beat the writers 4-1 in the 2nd annual paintball challange. Sr. Director of Pro Personnel Billy Eppler gets MVP honors.
    __________________
    Oh no! Eppler has too much power already!

  109. blake March 9th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Stuckey,

    The difference is that the Phillies have no RH hitters and a very iffy bullpen. We’ll see….I think they’ll be good, not saying they wont. Just sick of analysts putting the Phillies and Sox in the WS already….

  110. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    People looking for rationalization that the Phillies won’t make the postseason (or the Yanks), IMO, are indulging in wishful voodoo.

    Their offense and defense and bullpen isn’t as good as the Yankees. The Braves are a legit threat and they will be contending with the Rockies, Giants, Brewers, Braves, Cardinals, and Marlins for a playoff spot. That is the logic I’d use if I were thinking about why the Phillies would miss the playoffs. They got much worse offensively and last year they already had a huge streak of just plain not scoring runs that jeopardized their playoff chances.

  111. Ys Guy March 9th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    “Nobody is saying that they are old because another calender year has been ripped off. Rollins has been getting hurt the last couple of years and is another year older. He is going to miss more and more days. Same with Utley. Howard is an old 31. Now the pitchers aren’t old no matter what their age is but their hitters are a different story which should illicit concern”

    /////

    howard is actually much more mobile than you would expect for a guy his size and he’s gotten better defensively every year he’s been up. and he’s 30. rollins is 31 so is utley. victorino is 30 these guys, except for injuries are in thier prime.

    the phil’s age is in thier rotaion plus ibanez. doc and oswald are 34 and lee is 32. only oswald has show dimunition that is likely related to a chronic condition. ibanez’s age wouldn’t be as big a factor except for the injury to brown. but he has been a first-half guy so he might be okay till help arrives.

    any good team can falter as the phil’s did last year, but this is clearly the class of the national league and a real postseason threat.

    if i had to put money on one team to win it all, it’d be the phils b/c the nl regular season and playoffs are easier to get through.

  112. stuckey99 March 9th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    “Rollins has been getting hurt the last couple of years and is another year older. He is going to miss more and more days. Same with Utley.”

    And this is exactly my point – using too broad a brush that leaves a general impression of the Phillies holes, but falters under scrutiny.

    Rollins I believe played in 80-something games last year and had what’s for him an awful year. But the Phillies STILL were 2nd in the NL and runs scored.

    Smart money bets on Rollins perhaps not having a MVP season like a few years ago, but a healthier, more productive season than his 2010 campaign. People expecting Rollins to be worse in 2011 than he was in 2010 just aren’t looking closely enough.

    And again, Utley also played in just 115 games last year, and again – 2nd in the NL in runs scored.

    The Phillies are NOT going to drop off the table offensively. And with their staff they have a fair amount of room to drop off some and still safely make the postseason.

  113. blake March 9th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    If Hamels isn’t a real #1 or 2 type starter then there are other NL teams that will be able to pitch with Philljes…..and possibly be better in the other areas.

  114. Erin March 9th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    BloggingBombers This paintball shot courtesy of Joe Girardi. http://twitpic.com/47urh1

  115. CountryClub March 9th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    I second Blake’s last comment. I think both teams can be great. But they both also have question marks that the MSM just flat our ignore.

  116. stuckey99 March 9th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    “Just sick of analysts putting the Phillies and Sox in the WS already….”

    Blake, putting anyone in the WS in March is fool’s gold, as 2010 proved.

    I don’t put anyone in the WS to roughly around Oct 21st.

    Postseason, however, the Phillies are a virtual lock.

  117. Bronx Jeers March 9th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Paintball….. another example of testosterone junkies trying to hang on to those primal instincts. :sarcasm:

  118. blake March 9th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Stuckey,

    I think they’ll have a great chance at a playoff shot but im not going to call a team with a questionable lineup and questionable bullpen a lock for anything….no matter how good their rotation is.

  119. blake March 9th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Paintball is fun…..and great excersise.

  120. Ys Guy March 9th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    “If Hamels isn’t a real #1 or 2 type starter then there are other NL teams that will be able to pitch with Philljes…..and possibly be better in the other areas”

    /////

    are you saying that cliff lee can’t compete with derek lowe’ s and rickey nolascos of his division?

    …and that ‘other areas’ thingy is just a little fuzzy… :)

  121. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    The Phillies went 23-7 in September/October to clinch their playoff spot. It happened, they did it, and they are a well coached team that can do it again. But maybe they don’t have that kind of run without Werth, and with an ailing Chase Utley, ancient Ibanez, etc.

  122. Triple Short of a Cycle March 9th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    stuckey99,

    I agree if healthy Rollins will put up a better year. Utley on the other hand is a different story. Who knows when he will come back into the lineup. He might need surgery and miss a big chunk of the season. Whi is going to replace Werth? Francisco? I also wouldn’t be surprised if Howard hits less then 37 home runs.

    The pitching is solid and is the reason why I think they go to the playoffs but the offense has legitimate question marks. Plus you could do anything you want with stats. Which team would you rather be

    Team A – runs scored in a week 12,11,2,1,0,8,3
    Team B – runs scored in a week 5,6,4,3,4,6,7

    Team A scored more but team B is more consistent

  123. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Ten questions for Betances.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....Id=rss_nyy

  124. blake March 9th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Ys,

    Other areas means non-starting pitching aspects of the game. I think if Hamels is great then they really could have an unbelievable rotation but he hasn’t been consistently in his career. The Braves, Giants, Reds, Dodgers, Brewers etc….all could have pretty solid rotations themselves…..we’ll see.

  125. stuckey99 March 9th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    “Their offense and defense and bullpen isn’t as good as the Yankees.”

    No argument. But they won’t be battling the Yankees for a postseason berth.

    “The Braves are a legit threat and they will be contending with the Rockies, Giants, Brewers, Braves, Cardinals, and Marlins for a playoff spot. That is the logic I’d use if I were thinking about why the Phillies would miss the playoffs.”

    I don’t look at the “field”. I ask myself 1 question at the start of the season.

    Which teams are mostly likely to win 92 or more games this year, because those teams WILL make the postseason, if you believe in historical relevancy.

    Often times a few less get you there, but 92 makes it virtually certain.

    Every year people worry about the upstarts. Toronto’s rotation. Baltimore’s offense, etc.

    But people always look at the wrong goalposts, worried about teams finishing ahead of the Yankees, when the better, more informative question is, forget the field, will the Yankees win 92 or more games this year? If you can answer yes to this, you should forget worrying about any other team and makes your first round postseason plans now.

    Same “logic” applies to the Phils. In the NL, they are a 92 win team, which puts them in the postseason.

    Thinking about specific other teams just confuses a fairly simple equation.

    Because no more than 4 teams in either league will win 92 or more games in the same year, and no more than 2 in the same division ever will.

    The math is historically virtually indisputable since 1995.

  126. Ys Guy March 9th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    i dont put anybody in the WS but just like nearly everybody else in the world, i make preseason picks of who i think will win each division, etc.

    you’d better get used to it, because starting sunday everybody in the world will be doing it for college b ball, then half of them will do thier baseball picks.

    my pick in the n.l. is the phillies.

    i think the yankees are better than the phillies, but the red socks pose more of a threat to the yankees chances than anybody does to the phillies chances, so if i had to put money on it, i’d bet the phillies.

    nobody ‘put’ anybody anywhere.

  127. Bronx Jeers March 9th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    “Paintball is fun…..and great excersise.”

    It is good exercise. Which i why I usually snipe or guard the flag with the rest of the lazies. “In the rear, with the gear”

    My proudest moment was hitting a guy in the neck from 50 yards although technically I wasn’t really aiming at him.

  128. stuckey99 March 9th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    “The Phillies went 23-7 in September/October to clinch their playoff spot. It happened, they did it, and they are a well coached team that can do it again. But maybe they don’t have that kind of run without Werth, and with an ailing Chase Utley, ancient Ibanez, etc.”

    And maybe they won’t need that sort of run…

  129. Abe Peterham March 9th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    I dont mind hunting, but anyone who has to kill an elephant, thats not right…

  130. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    I think the Phillies have a great chance of making the postseason, I was just saying what I would think if i had to rationalize why they weren’t. Like if I had to pick an upset for a team missing the playoffs, I would pick the Phillies. They were only at a 90 win pace until their great September/October run, and the team is weaker overall than last season.

  131. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    And maybe they won’t need that sort of run…

    Yea, the NL isn’t great and the NL east is really bad now without the Mets. The Braves are their only significant competition.

  132. blake March 9th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Jeers,

    We used to play more elimination style where one team wins only when they had shot everyone on the other team…..being the last man on your team was interesting…..

  133. Mell March 9th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    “I think if Hamels is great then they really could have an unbelievable rotation but he hasn’t been consistently in his career”

    I think 2009 was just one of those outlier years. Kinda like Verlander’s 2008 (only not as bad). He’s otherwise put together 4 outstanding seasons.

  134. Triple Short of a Cycle March 9th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Abe Peterham,

    Whats the difference between killing an elephant or a deer?

  135. blake March 9th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Mell,

    Could be and if he is then they truly could have 3 #1 type starters. He and Utley’s health are big keys for them.

  136. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    Whats the difference between killing an elephant or a deer?

    -

    I don’t think people eat the elephant?

  137. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    I only hunt the deadliest game of all, Man.

  138. Shame Spencer March 9th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle – About 8 tons.

    Does anyone think the Mets might not be that bad?? Anyone?

  139. Abe Peterham March 9th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    triple,
    an elephant can live 70 yrs, and is a lot less common and more intelligent than a deer.
    trust me, i not real thrilled w deer hunting either, if its humane and respectful its tolerable, hell, i eat meat and use leather etc….an elephant, that just different…

  140. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Most animals live to be hunted, circle of life, etc. Not hunting them leads to issues such as over population which can damage the eco system since we’ve thinned/killed off the other natural predators. In the case of Deer anyways.

    Elephants are another story and probably shouldn’t be hunted. I don’t think they’re much fun to hunt for sport anyways since they’re so damn big and hard to miss.

  141. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Scientists should create Jurassic Park and then big game hunters can come hunt dinosaurs.

  142. RS March 9th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    The Phillies might still be a good team, but they’ll probably be boring as heck to watch. I’m all for a good pitching duel, but I don’t think their offense and bullpen will be good enough to consistently make noise when their starting pitcher falters.

  143. blake March 9th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    Deer are smarter (or extremly instinctive ) than it might seem. They also have no.natural predators anymore in most areas of the country…..many die of starvation every year.

  144. blake March 9th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Jerkface beat me to it…..but an over population would kill more deer than hunters ever would.

  145. Ys Guy March 9th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    “Does anyone think the Mets might not be that bad?? Anyone?”

    /////

    before yesterday, i might have tried to spin you a story about having a good offense and santana coming back in june, but now…

    …nah!

  146. stuckey99 March 9th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    “Most animals live to be hunted, circle of life, etc. Not hunting them leads to issues such as over population which can damage the eco system since we’ve thinned/killed off the other natural predators. In the case of Deer anyways.”

    Not sure I’m down with the circular logic of “since we killed the predators, we have to take their place and kill the prey”.

    I understand overpopulation is a legitimate issue that needs to be managed, because it’s also illogical to ignore a problem you created, but hunting as “sport” is not the only answer to this question.

    Counting coup on wild animals. Get close enough, touch them, and get away unharmed. Now there is a “sport” I can respect.

  147. mick March 9th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Instead of killing deer then why not bring them bread, as you would for birds?

  148. Ys Guy March 9th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    blake, the deer’s natural preditor seems to be whichever car i happen to be driving when the stupid things run right out in front of it!

  149. mick March 9th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Recently I gave up 1/2 of my samwich to the birds at a Subway.
    Needless to say they thanked me, by eating it as I watched.

  150. mick March 9th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    i think the yankees are better than the phillies, but the red socks pose more of a threat to the yankees chances than anybody does to the phillies chances, so if i had to put money on it, i’d bet the phillies.
    ==========================
    rs better get a catcher.

  151. Shame Spencer March 9th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    Ys – Yeah… I hear ya.

    I just sorta wish they wouldn’t be as bad as I’m imagining they will be…

  152. Ys Guy March 9th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Abe Peterham March 9th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
    triple,
    an elephant can live 70 yrs, and is a lot less common and more intelligent than a deer.

    /////

    apet, they can also hatch eggs.

    http://www.dougboude.com/images/horton.jpg

  153. mick March 9th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Why would Yanks bring up Nunez where he will rot away on the bench?
    Chavez, I can see for Arod, but Nunez will never play behind Jeter and Cano.
    Maybe once or twice a month for both of them where Chavez can play once a week.

  154. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    stuckey99 March 9th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
    “Most animals live to be hunted, circle of life, etc. Not hunting them leads to issues such as over population which can damage the eco system since we’ve thinned/killed off the other natural predators. In the case of Deer anyways.”

    Not sure I’m down with the circular logic of “since we killed the predators, we have to take their place and kill the prey”.

    I understand overpopulation is a legitimate issue that needs to be managed, because it’s also illogical to ignore a problem you created, but hunting as “sport” is not the only answer to this question.

    Counting coup on wild animals. Get close enough, touch them, and get away unharmed. Now there is a “sport” I can respect.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    What’s your solution? Kill off the people so the animals can live?

  155. mick March 9th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    What’s your solution? Kill off the people so the animals can live?
    ==============================
    I told ya….bring em a samwich.

  156. mick March 9th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    These hunters kill for the sport of it, not as any favor to the animal community or their concerns.
    When was the last time a deer thanked a hunter for killing their mom or dad?

  157. mick March 9th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    If Chad weren’t out splattering paint on people, he would change this topic.

  158. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    When was the last time a deer thanked a hunter for killing their mom or dad?

    Animals are incapable of giving thanks. Though I’m sure that deer was happier when there wasn’t an overabundance of other deer leading to scarcity of food, land, and shelter resulting in its death.

  159. stuckey99 March 9th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    I say this: “I understand overpopulation is a legitimate issue that NEEDS TO BE MANAGED, because it’s also illogical to ignore a problem you created, but hunting as “sport” is not the ONLY ANSWER to this question.”

    And you say this? “What’s your solution? Kill off the people so the animals can live?”

    You’re trying too hard…

  160. Erica in NY March 9th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Snuffleupagus

  161. mick March 9th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Animals are incapable of giving thanks. Though I’m sure that deer was happier when there wasn’t an overabundance of other deer leading to scarcity of food, land, and shelter resulting in its death.

    ============
    Not if he/she was the deer being killed.

  162. blake March 9th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    “These hunters kill for the sport of it, not as any favor to the animal community or their concerns.”

    Just as with anything people do things for different reasons. I know people who feed their families and save a ton of money on food (because they need to) by eating deer meat all year.

  163. mick March 9th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    If we all held hands and brought food to the forest more deer would be alive today.

  164. Tom in N.J. March 9th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    Erica, is saying that really the best idea right now?

    Somebody may advocate shooting Snuffy.

  165. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    Not if he/she was the deer being killed.

    But that deer isn’t being killed, its the parents that got killed. And if the parents didnt get killed ALL the deer die.

  166. upstate kate March 9th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    Mick
    Deer are ruminants, they would starve eating sandwiches…they much prefer gardens, shrubs, fruit, bushes, grass…
    I live in a poor area where people hunt to put food in their freezer. We don’t, we are not from this area, but I am not a vegetarian, so I don’t judge.
    And there are way too many deer up here, they are like big rats. They are smart enough to know to move into town when it is hunting season. I think they are beautiful, and I would never hurt them, but they are problematic.

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  168. mick March 9th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Kate

    Why don’t people in your area just shoot them from their backyard windows?
    The front of the house might be too dangerous.

  169. upstate kate March 9th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Who says animals don’t give thanks? My dog is most appreciative when I feed/walk/play with her.

  170. upstate kate March 9th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    Mick
    It is illegal to fire a gun in town!

  171. Tom in N.J. March 9th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Blake, that’s what I was trying to get at earlier. The hunters I’ve known hunt for food. They hunt deer, turkey and fowl. They also fish. It’s a part of their lives. I don’t hunt, heck, I’ve never held a gun, but those I know who do hunt don’t do it for he ‘sporting’ aspect of it.

  172. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    My dogs don’t give thanks when I give them treats. They generally just take the treat and go eat it. Then bark at me for more :x

  173. blake March 9th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Is the game in TV tonight?

  174. stuckey99 March 9th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    With all things, it’s usually productive to get to the heart of the matter.

    Yes, there are varied reasons why private citizens hunt. And there are both positive and negative effects that people use to justify their positions on the matter.

    But the predominant reason is people like weapons and like to use them.

    Any denying of this simple truism is pointless.

  175. mick March 9th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    Mick
    It is illegal to fire a gun in town!
    =====================
    Then use a bow and arrow!

  176. upstate kate March 9th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Jerkface
    I guess you just haven’t brought your dogs up properly :)

  177. mick March 9th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    How do you know your dogs are not grateful for the food you provide?
    Maybe they have private moments where they pray.

  178. Betsy March 9th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    A hunting safari? Ugh

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    david wright on francessa

  180. Betsy March 9th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Maybe not, GF, but he’s the one that mentioned that his friend basically has a hunting business…….better to save an animal than to hunt one

  181. upstate kate March 9th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    You don’t have to hunt to use weapons, as in the topic that started this thread- paintball. My son and his friends used to have epic airsoft (pellet guns) battles…then they discovered girls and other things!

  182. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    But the predominant reason is people like weapons and like to use them.

    This is true, guns are awesome. I own 2 CZ-75Bs and some .22 pistols and rifles for plinking. The only game I hunt are paper targets though.

  183. blake March 9th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Tom,

    I think the majority of hunters do. I’ve never killed a deer I either didn’t eat or give to someone who needed/wanted the meat. There are exceptions….but most are very respectful and don’t just kill something for the sake of killing it. Anyway….this probably is a more polarizing subject than I care to get involved with.

  184. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    My son and his friends used to have epic airsoft (pellet guns) battles…then they discovered girls and other things!

    Please do not imply that one cannot love both airsoft and girls at the same time!

  185. mick March 9th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    My son and his friends used to have epic airsoft (pellet guns) battles…then they discovered girls and other things!
    =============
    Now they hunt for girls…

  186. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Hunting would be better if there was a law that said if you shoot something you have to eat it all right then and there no ifs ands or butts

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    I was wondering how I might fit a story I saw this story into the conversation. Since there’s talk of aging animals and feeding the birds, etc., it’s not too far off track…

    Can’t imagine being a new mom at 50, let alone 60…

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    I lulled Face into a sense of security, and now he is spilling the beans on his “extracurricular activities”

  191. Betsy March 9th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Hunting lions, buffalo, zebra just so you can hang a trophy over your mantle? Real macho…..humans think only cute animals deserve to live

  192. mick March 9th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Check out that safari site with the guy holding the dead lion in his arms.

  193. CompassRosy March 9th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    *this morning

  194. Joe from Long Island March 9th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    tyanksfan36 – congrats. Some suggestions –
    1. bring a fielder’s glove
    2. stay alert
    3. have a good time

  195. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    Check out that safari site with the guy holding the dead lion in his arms.

    Thats not a lion.

  196. mick March 9th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    nd I don’t want to get whacked with a foul ball but the price was too good to pass up. I’m pretty excited.
    ================
    Bring a glove!
    Or a mask and chest protector :)

  197. mick March 9th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    Thats not a lion.
    =============
    Got my cats wrong?
    A leopard?

  198. mick March 9th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Hunting lions, buffalo, zebra just so you can hang a trophy over your mantle? Real macho…..humans think only cute animals deserve to live
    ======================
    True. But I did read where some lions hang heads of humans over their mantles.

  199. upstate kate March 9th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Tyanks
    You are getting to attend quite a few games…don’t forget to put some pix up :) And watch out for Jerkface in case he is at the same game…he will be the one w/ the guns and the ungrateful dogs!

    CompassRosy
    Nice story.

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    “My dogs don’t give thanks when I give them treats. They generally just take the treat and go eat it. Then bark at me for more”

    jerkface-

    your BATIP is really bad.

    ( bark average on treats in play )

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    Kate

    I will post pics. The pics from tonights game I’m going to probably won’t be too good cause it will be dark but ill definitely post some from over the weekend and next week. I called asking if the guy had tickets for tonight and he said he had one for next wednesday which I wanted to go to as well.

    Mick and Joe from LI

    I will have to bring a glove, not to catch anything, because I’m awfully uncoordinated, but to protect my face. And Ill have to turn my phone off so it doesn’t distract me. I’m already excited and its a week away.

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  204. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    We wouldn’t be in this bind if the Yankees played a 1 pm game.

  205. Bronx Jeers March 9th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    True. But I did read where some lions hang heads of humans over their mantles.

    —————————————————————————————————————-

    Anybody watch “Fatal Attractions” on Animal Planet?

    The surviving family/ friends always say “If he had to die, there’s no other way he would have wanted to go besides being killed by his beloved…. (insert wild, dangerous animal)”

    Yeah right.

    The only thing sad about that show is when they destroy an animal because of some fool’s ignorance.

  206. Triple Short of a Cycle March 9th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    overpopulation is a myth. They make pills that can be dropped from hellicopters that last a year. They can control the population that way. Why is the hunting community against this?

  207. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Banuelos and Soriano pitching tonight, please be televised please be televised please be televised please be televised please be televised

  208. mick March 9th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Why is the hunting community against this?
    ============================
    The thrill of the kill.

  209. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    overpopulation is a myth. They make pills that can be dropped from hellicopters that last a year. They can control the population that way Why is the hunting community against this?

    Your first two statements seem to be in direct opposition. Overpopulation is not a myth if scientists were forced to create a pill to control it. hunters would be against a pill because then you just have a bunch of animals dying for no good reason other than to control population. If you allow hunters to do their thang, then the hunters are able to feed their family and the local area markets with venison.

  210. mick March 9th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    These games are like concerts where guest performers show up unannounced, except we know Soriano is pitching. When is Mo going?

  211. Ys Guy March 9th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    “Triple Short of a Cycle March 9th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
    overpopulation is a myth. They make pills that can be dropped from hellicopters that last a year. They can control the population that way. Why is the hunting community against this?”

    /////

    ^%#)*&!% ^%#)&$#@ %#$^&*(^%!!!!!! (FUNNY RELIGIOUS-BASED JOKE WHICH I SELF-CENSORED)

  212. Triple Short of a Cycle March 9th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Jerkface,

    It is not a contradiction. As I have stated there is 1 type of deer that is over populated but only 2 percent total of deers hunted are of this variety. If you want to eat deer go to a supermarket and buy it

  213. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    It is still a contradiction. You can’t say that there is a pill that should be used why hunt. And I don’t see how you can be for giant corporations rolling over Deer land in a giant meat mashing vehicle that sucks up all the deer and spits them out in plastic wrapped containers and against individual hunters feeding their families.

    Deer hunting is about as bad as fishing.

  214. upstate kate March 9th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    I was wondering how the deer got to the supermarket, but now I see it is via the Deer Meat Mashing Vehicle.

  215. Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    What it lacks in elegance it makes up for with messy, wanton brutality.

  216. Bronx Jeers March 9th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    I was wondering how the deer got to the supermarket, but now I see it is via the Deer Meat Mashing Vehicle.

    —————————————

    :smile:

  217. Tom in N.J. March 9th, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle- Where are you geting your facts from? I’d like to read about the pill dropping the helicopter.

  218. Erica in NY March 9th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    :arrow:

  219. GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    upstate kate March 9th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
    I was wondering how the deer got to the supermarket, but now I see it is via the Deer Meat Mashing Vehicle.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    The vehicle is based on the Oscar Mayer Weinermobile. There’s a midget inside the vehicle working in a little butcher shop.

  220. BIG AL March 9th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    White tail deer population has grown due to the efforts of hunters, that stopped the commercial kill that almost made them extinct. This holds true for other hunted animals as well, and the fishing population.

    As to pills being dropped from the air, that’s BS. Here is a link that explains how deer are controlled by them given shots.

    http://www.aphis.usda.gov/publ.....eer_08.pdf

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