Pregame notes: Cashman shoots down Chapman report
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Mar 09, 2011 
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Brian Cashman said it’s “silly” to suggest the Yankees offered more than $54-million offer to Aroldis Chapman before he signed with the Reds.
According to Sports Illustrated, a current lawsuit says the Yankees made such an offer, but Cashman said no such offer was ever on the table. In fact, the Yankees never made Chapman an offer.
• Speaking of not making offers, Cashman once again said he has nothing brewing on the trade market. Even in late spring, Cashman said, most available players have either terrible contracts or no remaining options. He said it’s still very possible the Yankees will open the season with only players who are currently in camp.
• Mariano Rivera threw live BP today. “Yogi said he looked pretty good and we should give him another look,” Joe Girardi said.
• Still not certain when Rivera will get in a game, though it looks like March 16 is a good bet. Rafael Soriano will make his first spring appearance tonight.
• Bartolo Colon is scheduled for four innings as tonight’s starter. Girardi said his long reliever will “probably” be one of the four back-of-the-rotation candidates. Cashman said the Yankees have talked to Colon’s agents about the possibility of keeping him in the bullpen. They have not talked to Freddy Garcia’s agents about making him a reliever. Both can opt out at the end of spring training.
• Eduardo Nunez is playing left field off the bench today, and Ramiro Pena is scheduled to take play balls in left field during fielding drills. Girardi said the Yankees want to give both utility candidates a little bit of outfield time because it’s very possible the Yankees will carry only one reserve outfielder.
• Also, Girardi said it’s not impossible that the Yankees would carry both Nunez and Pena, but it’s clear they’re planning to take one utility man and one from a crowd of corner infielders (Chavez, Belliard, Vazquez, Laird). Technically, Nunez and Pena could play the infield corners, but the Yankees are looking at their reserve infield candidates as separate groups, planning to take one utility and one corner.
• A.J. Burnett, Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Sergio Mitre, Ivan Nova, Hector Noesi, Adam Warren and D.J. Mitchell threw sides today.
• Scheduled to play off the bench: C Kyle Higashioka, 1B Jose Gil, 2B Kevin Russo, SS Doug Bernier, 3B Jorge Vazquez, LF Eduardo Nunez, CF Austin Krum, RF Daniel Brewer, DH Jesus Montero
• Available out of the bullpen: Manny Banuelos, Rafael Soriano, Pedro Feliciano, Daniel Turpen, Luis Ayala, Andy Sisco, Eric Wordekemper, Ryan Pope and Mark Prior. It’s likely only Banuelos, Soriano and Feliciano will actually get in the game behind Colon.
• There was no travel squad listed for tomorrow’s game in Clearwater.
Mitre has a big deal deal. He was offered a contract in arbitration.
there you go Chad, starting trouble again…did you really have to say “shoots” in your caption??!!!
Cashman had better hope that West Coat Red Sox Fan doesn’t find out about him shooting down harmless reports just for sport.
Mariano Rivera threw live BP today. ?Yogi said he looked pretty good and we should give him another look,? Joe Girardi said.
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Chad has a sense of humor.
West ***Coast*** Red Sox
When you find a Red Sox fan on the West Coast let me know GB7.
“I always thought you could tell a great deal about someone’s character or lack of it by
their views on hunting animals they don’t eathow many of my opinions they agree with.”Fixed.
What am I missing? Why is “shoots” going to start trouble? Was there a great hunting debate while I was playing paintball?
Surely you jest.
Chad Jennings drops to the bottom of WCYF’s list of Sports Writers He Is In Love With
uh Chad, read thru the last post!
No, don’t!
can’t believe the game tonight is not televised
Good to see Nunez and Pena being worked into the OF drills for more added value down the road.
Chad, nice ST coverage you have ‘smothered’ it from all angles. Like a steak smothered in mushrooms and onions. Thanks.
and the post before that
“Was there a great hunting debate while I was playing paintball?”
There was what could literally be called a “debate”. But calling it “great” would be off-target.
Gee, you mean the Yankees weren’t after Chapman? Really? I saw that somewhere on this blog – wonder who that was.
upstate kate March 9th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
uh Chad, read thru the last post!
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kate, what do you have against Chad that you want to put him through that???
Cashman distancing himself from a lawsuit does not mean the Yankees were not after Chapman. They were obviously after him. They treated him at the ALCS and went to his bullpens.
LOL@Nick…you are a very witty guy!
Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Chad Jennings drops to the bottom of WCYF’s list of Sports Writers He Is In Love With
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That what you have to resort to? I happen to think Chad and Sam do a great job as I have said many times.
In the end they didn’t sign him, but it wasn’t due to a lack of information or care.
Too bad you’re not Bojo. How’s that Chapman opinion working out for you?
NotHankStein In all honesty, I was the one who put the kibosh on the $54 million offer to Chapman. I wanted to save it for Arod’s next extension.
I’m not resorting to anything, but you’ve already questioned the character of anyone who endorses hunting and Chad endorses his friend’s business… put them together and…
I didn’t say he was off your list, he is just at the bottom.
Jerkface can you read? The Yankees never made Chapman an offer.
For our next great debate we should tackle The Zombiepoclypse: Would you shoot your zombie parent/spouse/sibling/friend/dog?
I would. And I hope that also says something about my character (or lack thereof).
Heyman hunts for strangers to keep him company while he dines on multiple breakfasts, tacos, and sushi.
Twitter is his hunting ground. Poisonous tweets are his weapon of choice.
What am I missing? Why is “shoots” going to start trouble? Was there a great hunting debate while I was playing paintball?
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Well…I wouldn’t call it “great”
Shame Spencer March 9th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
For our next great debate we should tackle The Zombiepoclypse: Would you shoot your zombie parent/spouse/sibling/friend/dog?
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Definitely
Although I don’t have a gun, so this would be problematic.
Jerkface can you read? The Yankees never made Chapman an offer.
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Ah right, so Cashman treated Chapman to dinner and a playoff game because he wants to be his friend. How silly of me. They went after Chapman, and decided against offering him a contract (Or Cashman is saying they didn’t offer it because there is no advantage in this lawsuit situation to the yankees revealing an offer and why tell everyone you offered something which was beat by another team?)
The Yankees sent their scouts to his bullpens because they were bored. You got it all figured out.
West Coast Yankee Fan March 9th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Too bad you’re not Bojo
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I’m not Bojo?! Identity crisis in play…oh no!
And it wasn’t really about ‘hunting’ per se, Chad. I think it turned into more of a humanitarian debate regarding who was more humane… humans or animals.
Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
“…. They were obviously after him. They treated him at the ALCS and went to his bullpens.”
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…and Cashman went to dinner with Crawford too.
Animals are more human than humans
Was the paintball event a way for the Yankee Staff to vent their frustrations on the sports writers ? Did they serve lunch for you guys afterward ?
…and Cashman went to dinner with Crawford too.
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And Cashman went after Pavano. A GM isn’t going to land everyone they target, but your supposition that the Yankees were not in on Chapman at all is false.
Crawford was of course signed before Lee, so we have no idea if the Yankees would have, in the end, offered a deal to crawford.
Jerkface – Just for grins, Kindly provide the link to one post where you admitted to being wrong.
‘Ah right, so Cashman treated Chapman to dinner and a playoff game because he wants to be his friend’
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You can naver have too many friends and besides Cashman had some extra expense account money to use up.
…right Jerkface The Yankees were interested – but made no offer. Ok then moving on.
“And BLAM. A slug between the eyes. Would you care what kind of pants he was wearing?” paraphrasing MonaLisa Vito.
…right Jerkface The Yankees were interested – but made no offer. Ok then moving on.
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I wouldn’t be so sure they did not make an offer, but yes they were interested. Which is the opposite of “Did not go after”
I see Jerkface so Cashman is lying according to you. Got it.
Teams lie to the media all the time.
Typical Jerkface rhetorical nonsense. Endlessly circular and mind numbingly obtuse.
I would lie to the media. Especially Jon Heyman since he will tweet anything.
This guy that sits next to me at work is wearing the stinkiest cologne ever. Smells like a real cheap version of cool water
Baseball – bye now.
Shame Spencer March 9th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
# Erica in NY March 9th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Snuffleupagus
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Just saw this from the last thread. Nicely done, Erica. Nicely done
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Thanks
Endlessly circular and mind numbingly obtuse.
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[block of text of WCYF saying the same things over and over for 2 days]
Go Melky, Go Melky, Go Melky……..
SI_JoeLemire Nearly 20-minute top of 1st for Garza and still only one out. Worst part? Melky Cabrera, of all players, hit 3-RBI triple. #Royals 5 #Cubs 0
Triple:
Maybe he forgot to bathe and is trying to cover the real odor ?
This book will save you all from the next great scourge of mankind :
http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ.....ZHX5E4C1SD
“Bubba Crosby is our Centerfielder”
“We cannot afford CC,AJ, and Tex”
“I have no trades in the works right now.”
Famous cashman lies.
“Imagine you’re a deer. You’re prancing along. You get thirsty. You spot a little brook. You put your little deer lips down to the cool, clear water – BAM. A ****in’ bullet rips off part of your head. Your brains are lying on the ground in little bloody pieces. Now I ask ya, would you give a **** what kind of pants the son-of-a-***ch who shot you was wearing? ”
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104952/quotes
YAY Melky!
Vineyard Yankee,
It is weird because he will wear it for a week straight and then go months without it
Not a great movie, but, the dialogue was hilarious.
GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
?And BLAM. A slug between the eyes. Would you care what kind of pants he was wearing?? paraphrasing MonaLisa Vito.
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It is weird because he will wear it for a week straight and then go months without it
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Its not cologne, its mating season. That is his musk. Quick, airdrop pellets on him!
pat March 9th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
Go Melky, Go Melky, Go Melky??..
SI_JoeLemire Nearly 20-minute top of 1st for Garza and still only one out. Worst part? Melky Cabrera, of all players, hit 3-RBI triple. #Royals 5 #Cubs 0
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All right Melky!!!
“I wouldn’t be so sure they did not make an offer, but yes they were interested. Which is the opposite of “Did not go after”’
Man, someone needs to legalize the recreational hunting of semantics.
A general manager’s sole job description is giving his team options. Due diligence is major part of how a GM performs a job. Because of Chapman’s background and situation, the options of evaluating his an option were abnormal.
You don’t have to court draft picks. What goes in Latin America in terms of signing free agents happens largely out of the public’s eye.
Cashman could have likely been simply keeping the Yankees options as open as possible. Establish a relationship, express an interest, and keep themselves in the ballgame IF they concluded they ultimately even wanted to be in the ballgame.
Because they scouted him, and wined and dined him does NOT mean they “went after him”. It may well mean they wanted to reserve the option to. After their courting they may very well have decided not to go after him.
This is 101 stuff Jerkface.
The Yankees don’t need to make a trade unless a team is giving a good player away, and I think it’s great that Nunez is seeing time in the OF.
GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Not a great movie, but, the dialogue was hilarious.
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I love that movie. That’s one that I can watch over and over again and not get tired of.
Triple:
I hear ya, it is tough on the nose when at the grocery store, dept. store etc. and men or women are just dripping in the stuff, gives me a headache quick style.
After their courting they may very well have decided not to go after him.
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All the courting is going after him. You do not know where it stops either. Price increasing, other teams offering crazier deals.
You could a player because you are going after them. You may ultimately conclude you don’t want the player, but you don’t scout someone you have no interest in attaining.
Jerkface,
I wish I could. he is a miserable person
Joe Pesci. All around actor, rock-n-roll singer. Was a guitarist and singer with Joey Dee And The Starliters
btw – not for nothing, but if Cashman is lying, he’s doing so knowingly he may have contradict himself under deposition at a future date.
What difference does it really make, lots of teams were ‘interested’ and sent staff to watch his bullpens. Offer or not we didn’t get him and that is now past and gone. BFD.
Kepner reported at the time Chapman signed that the Yankees never made an offer:
“But the Yankees, who want to keep their payroll around $200 million, did not want to enter a bidding war for a prospect they knew little about who could not be counted on this season. They never made an offer.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01.....apman.html
4 decent to good pitchers for 3 slots.
Hard to imagine Nova being sent down. Could Colon actually beat out Freddie?
Erin March 9th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Not a great movie, but, the dialogue was hilarious.
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I love that movie. That’s one that I can watch over and over again and not get tired of.
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You’d love his CD, “Vincent LaGuardia Gambini Sings Just For You”.
btw – not for nothing, but if Cashman is lying, he’s doing so knowingly he may have contradict himself under deposition at a future date.
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Much like the tampering charges leveled against teams and the nasty business that occurs in latin america, I doubt this will matter.
“All the courting is going after him. You do not know where it stops either. Price increasing, other teams offering crazier deals.
You could a player because you are going after them. You may ultimately conclude you don’t want the player, but you don’t scout someone you have no interest in attaining.”
Again, semantics is your only friend here.
Has anyone here argued that a lefty with a 102 mph fastball didn’t “interest” the Yankees?
I sure all hell hope he did.
Ive been assuming that by “going after him” you were arguing that the Yankees had serious interest in signing Chapman at, near or aboce what would turn out to be his market price.
And I’m not sure of any evidence that suggests this is the case.
Because neither watching him throw bullpens and/or having him attend a playoff game speaks to this conclusion.
I’m arguing against WCYF’s statement last night that: “We didn’t go after Chapman.” He said any interest in Chapman was just to drive up the price for the opposition. Its not semantics. The Yankees were obviously interested in Chapman and followed his entire process, ultimately concluding that he wasn’t worth it to them for whatever price he was asking.
Pregame notes: Cashman shoots down Chapman
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About 30 years too late.
“Nah, not buying it. Maybe to push up his price a bit but if the Yankees really wanted Chapman they would have got him.”
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This is what he said Stuckey, which is a principle I disagree with. The Yankees do not sign every player they go after. At a certain price range or option level they would have gladly acquired Chapman. The same cannot be said for many players in the majors and minors.
And I’m not sure of any evidence that suggests this is the case.
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I never said they wanted Chapman at the price he signed for.
oh that was good Mick…I totally missed that part.
Not making an offer to a player and having no interest in a player are two different things. They most definitely had Chapman to the stadium during the playoffs. They did due diligence; they had interest, but ended up not making an offer. It is not one or the other. It is one AND the other in this case.
“Yankees were obviously interested in Chapman and followed his entire process, ultimately concluding that he wasn’t worth it to them for whatever price he was asking.”
“Bubba Crosby is our Centerfielder”
“We cannot afford CC,AJ, and Tex”
“I have no trades in the works right now.”
“Famous cashman lies.”
So which is it?
Did the Yankees ultimately conclude that he wasn’t worth the price he was asking?
Or is Cashman lying about not offering him $20m+ more than what he signed for?
You strikes me as less advocating a consistent position and more just playing contrarian…
GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
You?d love his CD, ?Vincent LaGuardia Gambini Sings Just For You?.
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That’s hilarious. How did I not know this existed???
Or is Cashman lying about not offering him $20m+ more than what he signed for?
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I never said I agreed with the rumored 54 million. Only that we cannot conclude that the Yankees made NO offer. Major league offers are secret, and even more nebulous for latin american talent.
Nobody gives a crap about last nite or last month for that matter.
WCYF obviously does.
We also have no idea what the rumored 54 million dollar offer is. For how many years, how much is guaranteed. Chapman can take the Reds to arbitration in the final 2 years of his current deal which means it is actually worth more than 36 million if he succeeds.
No formal offer does not equal no interest.
The 54 million is being used by the prosecution to secure greater damages in the court against Chapman and his agency from his old friend who claims to have had a representation contract with Chapman. It could be a lie (very likely) or maybe the Yankees made an unverifiable verbal offer to lure Chapman stateside, and were hoping to play the kind of dirty games latin scouts and teams pull south of the border to get the talented cuban.
All of these are possibilities. What we cannot conclude is that the Yankees have no interest in Chapman.
This whole Chapman thing is a bit pointless, don’t ya think?
anybody see the end of that St John’s game?
Erin March 9th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
You?d love his CD, ?Vincent LaGuardia Gambini Sings Just For You?.
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That’s hilarious. How did I not know this existed???
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Well worth the little cost on Amazon. a couple of Christmas songs, versions of “My Cousin Vinnie” in English, Italian and Spanish and other “special” songs.
St Johns escapes with a win. I’ll take it but they better play much better tommorrow. Especially Hardy
guy steps out of bounds and throws the ball out of bounds with 1.7 sec left and refs miss it
This whole Chapman thing is a bit pointless, don’t ya think?
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It is a nice diversion, nothing else going on.
That was pretty crazy at MSG today.
And of course another opportunity to show how silly WCYF is.
GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Well worth the little cost on Amazon. a couple of Christmas songs, versions of ?My Cousin Vinnie? in English, Italian and Spanish and other ?special? songs.
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I may just have to pick up a copy. Cousin Vinny singing Christmas songs = priceless.
Francesa is going absolutely crazy about the RU game lol
He wants them to replay the game
Rutgers was jobbed!
[never get to complain about RU sports]
lol @ the officials walking off the court before the game was over and the guy throwing the ball in the stands with time left
Gee, you mean the Yankees weren’t after Chapman? Really? I saw that somewhere on this blog – wonder who that was.
WCYF – it was probably the same guy telling you that Justin Upton and Felix Hernandez were not actually available. Certainly wasn’t you, or your BFF Heyman.
So I’m reading that there should have been a 2 shot technical foul for throwing the ball in the stands with time remaining + Rutgers ball.
SJU shouldn’t be penalized for a ref’s incompetence.
Erin, beware. Not exactly your momma and daddy’s Christmas songs
I’m glad all the sports I like are as broken with the officiating as basketball or soccer. Baseball, NFL, and Tennis are all fairly good, but man does basketball have its fair share of problems.
Ultimate’s the best..who needs refs anyways?
Irreverent Discourse March 9th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Gee, you mean the Yankees weren’t after Chapman? Really? I saw that somewhere on this blog – wonder who that was. WCYF – it was probably the same guy telling you that Justin Upton and Felix Hernandez were not actually available. Certainly wasn’t you, or your BFF Heyman.
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And what on earth does Upton or Hernandez have to do with the Brooklyn Bridge?
jerkface – I don’t know why you waste so much time with WCYF, he’s totally delusional. Anyone that believes ANYTHING he posts at this point is a fool, or oblivious to the world.
Must be too much sun.
GreenBeret7 March 9th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Erin, beware. Not exactly your momma and daddy?s Christmas songs
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I figured as much.
Is tonight s game on TV or internet?
I, for one, would be pretty ticked if Cashman and the Yanks weren’t “in” on Chapman and I’d be shocked if they weren’t.
Offer or no offer, they didn’t get him, and this news will be old by tomorrow.
Glad I missed the hunting debate on a Yankees board. Is it time to talk about the Clemens trial yet?
# blake March 9th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Is tonight s game on TV or internet?
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It appears not. Here’s the MLB.TV schedule:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/officia.....eIdmlbMENU
Irreverent Discourse March 9th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
jerkface – I don’t know why you waste so much time with WCYF, he’s totally delusional. Anyone that believes ANYTHING he posts at this point is a fool, or oblivious to the world. Must be too much sun.
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What a compliment coming from you! Thank you!
How dare they not put Banuelos on Tv……Chad….tell Joe to only pitch Banuelos when the game is on TV!
According to Francesser, it’s Rutgehs.
I’m disappointed the game isn’t aired either..I always look forward to the night games because I can actually watch them..
Sounds like Rutgers got screwed
This might be Manny’s last opportunity “to pitch for the Yankees” this Spring.
I really hope he leaves em wanting more.
Very excited!
For any appleTV owners out there, apparently MLB.tv is FINALLY available with today’s iOS update.
Nice!
“Yankees were obviously interested in Chapman and followed his entire process, ultimately concluding that he wasn’t worth it to them for whatever price he was asking.”
“Only that we cannot conclude that the Yankees made NO offer. Major league offers are secret, and even more nebulous for latin american talent.”
Again, you seem to be severely hedging your bet here, on one hand leaving the door open that the Yankees made an offer, but ALSO arguing they didn’t see his worth as what the market was bearing ….which leaves you in the in-between position of arguing the Yankees “went after” Chapman but “went after him” with an offer below market, which is somewhat unlike the Yankees.
Seem to be position crafted through needed response to counterarguments, rather than based on a fixed position.
Beginning with Colon tonight, the starters will get stretched for another inning or higher pitch counts, whichever comes first.
This should be the start of separation between the competition of Garcia, Nova, Mitre, and Colon. It would be incredible if all 4 pitch “lights out” until the final cuts are made.
“No formal offer does not equal no interest.”
The natural end to any discussion. The inevitable declaration that you can’t disprove a negative.
“Mariano Rivera threw live BP today. ?Yogi said he looked pretty good and we should give him another look,? Joe Girardi said.”
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oh, big deal, he struck out a 90-year old guy…
So I finished reading the new book about the Rays. I never knew that before the Rays came into the league that the Giants had agreed to move to St Pete but it was later blocked by the league.
The Yankees were interested in Chapman and went after him, but did not sign him.
That is my position.
I think Francessa is going to have a heart attack
if I may ….I enjoy reading what the West Coast Yankee Fan has to say
This should be the start of separation between the competition of Garcia, Nova, Mitre, and Colon. It would be incredible if all 4 pitch “lights out” until the final cuts are made.
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All things being equal, my opinion is that experience should win.
Plus it puts them in the best position depth-wise with Nova waiting in the wings to be called up when needed.
which leaves you in the in-between position of arguing the Yankees “went after” Chapman but “went after him” with an offer below market, which is somewhat unlike the Yankees.
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They did the same thing with Pavano. Market was 2 years, they went with 1. The Yankees do not get everyone they sign, nor do they go balls out for everyone they want.
new post (arrow thingy)
# Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
The Yankees were interested in Chapman and went after him, but did not sign him.
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in the past the Yankees almost always got what they wanted
in the past the Yankees almost always got what they wanted
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Except when they didn’t.
# Jerkface March 9th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
in the past the Yankees almost always got what they wanted
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Except when they didn’t.
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how true
how true
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Which is why the lack of Chapman on the yankees cannot be used to prove that the yankees had no interest in acquiring him.
Relevant link for Ramiro Peña:
http://www.yelp.com/scranton-pa
Stuckey, in the two quotes you’re juxtaposing I am arguing two different things. The yankees do not need to offer Chapman a contract to be interested to him. And unrelated to that, Cashman saying that the Yankees did not offer a contract to Chapman does not necessarily mean it is true.
And in a broad sense, arguing against the idea that if the yankees really want someone they will sign them no matter what. Which is an asinine position.
Cliff Lee, Barry Bonds, and Greg Maddux obviously disagreed.
http://images.fanpop.com/image.....72_864.jpg