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Thursday notes: “The CC we’re used to seeing”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Mar 10, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

CC Sabathia was scheduled for four innings this afternoon. He wound up pitching five scoreless and still didn’t reach his pitch count. Going head-to-head against Phillies ace Roy Halladay, Sabathia was back to his old self after a rocky start his last time out against the Nationals.

“That’s pretty much the CC we’re used to seeing,” manager Joe Girardi said.

Sabathia said he was sharp enough to work on some specific things today, throwing changeups when he was down in the count and mixing in some first-pitch two-seamers. His delivery was “cleaner,” he said.

“I have the pause in my delivery,” Sabathia said. “I was kind of floating, drifting through it (last time) instead of just staying there, gathering, and then going. We worked on that in the bullpen, and I was conscious of it in the bullpen here today and trying to translate into the game.”

• Sabathia was hit in the thigh by a comebacker but stayed in the game. He didn’t even let the medical staff check him during the game, though he did have it wrapped afterward. “I’ve got a lot of meat down there,” he said.

• This early in spring training, and the two starting pitchers — Sabathia and Roy Halladay — combined for 11 scoreless, walkless innings. “Look at the two starters we’re looking at,” Girardi said. “You don’t see it a lot (this early), but if it’s going to happen, it’s usually two starters like that.”

• Warner Madrigal was scheduled to pitch today, but he felt some soreness in his arm. “He might be shut down for a few days,” Girardi said. Madrigal is coming back from surgery, but Girardi said today’s soreness was in a different spot.

• Dave Robertson faced one hitter this afternoon, which was the plan. Robertson threw 31 pitches his last time out and Girardi just wanted to get him in the game for one hitter. Of course, that one hitter tripled.

• After Robertson, Rule 5 pick Robert Fish had a rough sixth inning. He got three outs, one of which was a sac fly and one of which was a pickoff. John Mayberry Jr. hit a two-run home run off him, one of three hits against Fish.

• Mark Prior allowed his first runs of the spring. The Phillies scored three runs against him, but two were unearned because of an error by Justin Maxwell. Prior gave up two walks and an RBI double.

• The Yankees had a total of four hits today, on apiece by Brett Gardner, Russell Martin, Ramiro Pena and Jorge Posada. All of those hits were singles.

• In his spring debut, Ronnie Belliard went 0-for-2. Given the way Eric Chavez is hitting — and the way Jorge Vazquez is hitting for that matter — it’s really difficult to imagine Belliard doing enough to make this roster.

• Brett Gardner will get one at-bat as a designated hitter tomorrow, then he’ll make the road trip to play center field on Saturday.

• Girardi said he’s planning to go on the road for tomorrow’s split squad game against the Blue Jays because he wants to see Ivan Nova pitch. He’ll leave someone else to manage the home game and watch Phil Hughes. Why not have Nova pitch at home? Hughes has already made two starts on the road, and he’s locked into a rotation spot. He gets to stay home this time.

Alfredo Aceves was knocked around today, allowing four hits and three earned runs through 2.1 innings for the Red Sox.

Associated Press photos of Sabathia meeting with Russell Martin and Jorge Posada, and of Girardi talking to Tony Pena





86 Responses to “Thursday notes: “The CC we’re used to seeing””

  1. Betsy March 10th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Doreen, here you go:

    If you go through this thread, you’ll see some ridiculously cute pics

  2. m March 10th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    Thanks for the recap, news, and links. I missed out on today’s action.

    CC looking good. Jorge still trying to convince himself he wants to DH.

    What is Boston doing with Aceves? Convert him to a starter? Might be a better alternative to Dice-K.

  3. LGY March 10th, 2011 at 7:42 pm


    The lack of certainty is the reason why I think the Yankees need to attempt to optimize every advantage they have in this upcoming season.

    Of course, things may not go as planned, but since the Yankees have less wiggle room than in the past I think some non typical moves are worth making.

  4. LGY March 10th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Is it obvious that stuckey is driving me crazy today?

  5. LGY March 10th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    I also fully recognize that Jeter was far from the only problem in the lineup last year.

    My 5:43 post, where I put my ideal lineups is a lot different than last season. Not just in regard to Jeter.

  6. LGY March 10th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    I’m going to stop posting for a while because I am clogging the board with too much of my crazy stuckey rants

    Later :D

  7. BD (Boston Dave) March 10th, 2011 at 7:47 pm


    from MLBTR:

    “UCLA right-hander Gerrit Cole was one of the top draft prospects in the country before last week, but his performance against Nebraska on Friday sure didn’t hurt his stock. Cole pitched nine innings of two-hit, shutout ball, taking a perfect game into the seventh inning and striking out eight.

    It’s not particularly surprising to see the 6’4″ 20-year-old thriving. Baseball America announced earlier in the year that his mid-90s fastball and devastating slider give him “best pure stuff in the [2011] draft” and Cole struck out 153 batters in 123 innings last year, helping the Bruins reach the College World Series finals.

    Cole has been a known commodity for years, since the Yankees selected the power pitcher in the first round of the 2008 draft out of high school. He will likely go higher than 28th overall in 2011;’s Jason A. Churchill and Keith Law suggested last week that Cole is a threat to surpass Anthony Rendon and go first overall this June.”

  8. m March 10th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    I’m sure stuckey has some great rebuttals buried in his walls of text.

  9. BD (Boston Dave) March 10th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    also from MLBTR:

    “The Royals are looking for a young catcher, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter).”

    ahh, if only KC had a front line starter available…

  10. Betsy March 10th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    I never read anything about Cole, even when it’s posted here………I don’t believe in looking back. The Yankees didn’t do anything wrong, so what can you do? I just try to look forward.

  11. stuckey99 March 10th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    “Of course, things may not go as planned, but since the Yankees have less wiggle room than in the past I think some non typical moves are worth making.”

    When exactly did this become a fact?

    I appreciate that Andy Pettitte had a solid year when healthy, but other than him, where exactly is the obvious drop-off?”

    I genuinely expect the the offense to be as good or better this year.

    I genuinely expect Burnett and the bullpen to be better.

    I genuinely expect they will be more solid at the 5.

    I also genuinely expect the division got easier, in terms of the number of legit contenders.

  12. brownies March 10th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Another year and another case of not being able to handle roy halladay. Fortunately he’s out of the AL.

  13. stuckey99 March 10th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    “I’m sure stuckey has some great rebuttals buried in his walls of text.”

    You gotta want ‘em.

    I post on the serious, for the serious…

  14. m March 10th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    I’ve forgotten about Cole a long time ago. All I know is he won’t be pitching for my favorite team anytime soon. Unless he refuses to sign again, he’ll be playing for a “small market” (i.e. “crappy”) team. Happy days ahead!

  15. Yankees Gameday March 10th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    CC’s going to be great. He’s the Arod and Cano of pitchers in that you know exactly the level of brilliance he is going to bring on a daily basis. The rotation also looks very very solid.
    CC, Hughes, Burnett (I’m a believer but it’s March)…

    then here’s what I think: Freddy Garcia and then Bartolo Colon is the fifth starter.

    Cashman needs to SIGN AND TRADE Colon. Here is how and why:

  16. SJ44 March 10th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    I don’t believe there is any less “certainty” about making the post-season as any other year.

    Fan panic is rarely rooted in reality.

    They are already thinking about moving Gardner to the leadoff spot.

    What they WON’T do is move Jeter to the 9th spot based on last year to start the season.

    That makes no sense because it starts an unnecessary distraction that can impact things in a negative way.

    This team has shown they are unafraid to make moves and incorporate younger players into the lineup.

    How they do it though is important.

    Such is the price you pay for having a star laden team.

  17. SJ44 March 10th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Colon is already signed, negating a “sign and trade”, and he has no trade value.

  18. BD (Boston Dave) March 10th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    “I don’t believe there is any less “certainty” about making the post-season as any other year. ”


    eh, I seem to remember some posters predicting 115 wins and a WS title pretty much every spring training.

    then when they lose a game, the world is collapsing and Cashman must be fired.

    at least those people are admitting this season that the yankees won’t win every game.

  19. Doreen March 10th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    Betsy -

    Thanks for sharing that – the videos were adorable. So cute. :)

  20. Betsy March 10th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Doreen, you’re welcome – I can’t wait to see her (and her family) in person!

  21. kd March 10th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    so mariano called manban the best pitching prospect he’s ever seen? wow. just wow.

    can’t wait to see that kid going. if i were manny, i’d follow mariano around and try to learn as much as possible.

    maybe he tears up aa and aaa, and gets a september call up

  22. CompassRosy March 10th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    I here justin smoak is tearing the cover off the ball at a tune of 118. this spring!

    Hey, who needs Smoak when we’ve got Liddi?!?
    Grand slams in back-to-back games :-)

    Trisha ~
    You might want to “adopt” Alex …
    he’s Italian born and bred :-)

  23. Betsy March 10th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Thoughts about this strategy re: our potential surplus of SP?

    Instead, I think the Yankees should follow the Tampa Bay Ray’s strategy involving pitching surpluses. Like the 2011 Yankees, the Rays of 2008-2010 have had a surplus of starting pitching come through their system. Instead of trading guys like Jeremy Hellickson, Jeff Niemann, or Wade Davis, the Rays promoted them to the major leagues. However, those spots were filled by incumbents Matt Garza, Scott Kazmir and Edwin Jackson, who were traded. The Rays received prospects Matt Sweeney, Alex Torres, Matt Joyce, Sam Fuld, Chris Archer, Hak-Ju Lee, and others for their pitchers, and replaced them with equal or better pitchers from their farm system. They even saved money in the process.

    The Rays received big hauls for their pitchers because they traded their solid, yet expendable, major league-proven starting pitchers. Had they traded the same pitchers as mere prospects, they would have received far less value. Obviously they paid a risk premium by waiting, but their bets paid off big time. The Yankees should do the same thing. Obviously, they should hold on to their top-flight young starting pitchers (Any of the Killer-B’s who work out), like Tampa will do with David Price, but they should treat their other young starters as expendable. They should give real shots to players like Hector Noesi, Adam Warren, etc, but with the intent of eventually replacing them with better pitchers. Unlike the Rays, these better pitchers could include both home grown players from the farm and also free agent aces.

  24. Ed H. March 10th, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    # SJ44 March 10th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Colon is already signed, negating a “sign and trade”, and he has no trade value.

    SJ, I agree that Colon has no trade value now. Do you think that this would continue to be the case if he continues to have a strong ST and then put up 4 or 5 solid starts at the beginning of the season? What’s your thinking on this?

  25. SJ44 March 10th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    It’s not exactly a novel or creative policy. Its Baseball 101.

    Problem is, there really isn’t anything out, and this team has few holes, worth making deals for at this time.

    As time goes on, and trade markets form, no question the Yankees will look to utilize their surplus in some areas to upgrade weaker areas of the team.

  26. Carl March 10th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    If he’s pitching well, why trade him?

  27. BeholdArNo March 10th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    I still cannot figure out why a Mariners fan is on a Yankees blog other than to rub our noses in the fact that we did not get Cliff Lee?

    Liddi? Really? The Mariners could have had Montero.

    I thought the Rangers making the World Series would spur the Mariners and the rest of the AL West to try and better themselves in the offseason. The Angels certainly tried to do that when they topped the Red Sox offer for Crawford. Oh wait…

    Seattle sure did a lot to improve themselves as well. They are still the same bottom feeders.

  28. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    Nova will start the season at SWB, imo.

  29. jacksquat March 10th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    I don’t think this team has a slim margin for error.

    I think the team is looking damn good overall. Even the backups are looking good. Even some guys that aren’t going to go north yet are looking good.

    Unless there are significant injuries, 95+ wins, easily.

  30. Betsy March 10th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Right, but the Yankees could have a surplus as soon as two years from now. Let’s say CC is re-signed (if he opts out). We have AJ and Phil…….Nova would probably still be in the rotation, but Banuelos isn’t going anywhere and very likely Betances isn’t (I think Brackman has the best chance of being traded or sent to the pen). AJ isn’t going to be traded if he’s good and if he’s bad, no one will take him. There are only 5 spots in the rotation and I have to believe the Yankees are committed to Banuelos and Betances.

  31. SJ44 March 10th, 2011 at 8:40 pm


    He’s always going to have limited trade value because he’s both at the end of his career and shaky physically.

    He’s one of those guys who may have 80-110 big league innings in Jim at this point.

    That makes him a guy with limited trade value.

  32. Betsy March 10th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    I suppose Nova would be the one most likely to be traded, but it really depends on what the Yankees hope to get back. If they want to get back premium prospects, would Nova do it?

  33. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    I don’t think Nova is getting traded; I think he’s be the first callup.

  34. Ed H. March 10th, 2011 at 8:45 pm


    Thanks. Makes sense.

  35. LGY March 10th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    The pitcher that would fit that strategy of trading would be Hughes depending on how good he gets and his how good the minor league pitchers progress.

    Not advocating trading Hughes just saying he is the most logical fit for that model:

  36. Betsy March 10th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Rich, I’m not talking about this year – I’m talking about the next couple of years. If it’s not Nova, then who’s going to be traded?


    I guess that works………maybe no one has to be traded.

  37. SJ44 March 10th, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    If Nova continues to pitch well, he will be in the rotation, IMO.

  38. Betsy March 10th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    LGY, the article did mention that……..but that’s based on Phil cementing himself as a Garza-type starter. If he does that, then yes – I could see that happening. That’s a big “if” however.

  39. Betsy March 10th, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Of course, they wouldn’t be getting premium prospects back at that point, but they would get good prospects…………..Of course, Nova could be traded also depending on how well he does.

  40. Betsy March 10th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    I think the Yankees are committed to Nova, so I agree that he’ll be in the rotation this year.

  41. Ed H. March 10th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    First ST cuts are coming up in the next few days. Anyone have any thoughts about who will go? I have a hunch that they’ll let Belliard go so that he will have time to find a job with another team. It seems pretty clear that he won’t beat out Chavez or Vazquez.

  42. BD (Boston Dave) March 10th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    “I still cannot figure out why a Mariners fan is on a Yankees blog other than to rub our noses in the fact that we did not get Cliff Lee? ”


    CompassRosy is welcome here anytime and adds more to the blog than many of the Yanks “fans” here.

    I enjoy her posts.

  43. Betsy March 10th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    Compass Rosey doesn’t rub it in about Lee – Lee keeps rubbing it in about Lee, lol

  44. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2011 at 8:53 pm


    There are too many variables to know. Do Hughes, Betances, etc. reach (or show signs of reaching) their respective ceilings? Does a King Felix or Josh Johnson become available? Do Hughes and CC stay healthy?

  45. BD (Boston Dave) March 10th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    “Compass Rosey doesn’t rub it in about Lee – Lee keeps rubbing it in about Lee”


    well said!

  46. BeholdArNo March 10th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    I really like Chavez on this team. IF he stays healthy, just an enormously helpful bat off the bench and occasional starter. He also looks so handsome without the facial hair we’re accustomed to seeing from him throughout his career. His face strongly resembles Roger Federer.

  47. LGY March 10th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    Even if Hughes develops better than Garza it could make sense to trade him for a young OF with Swish and Grandy approaching the potentially being free agents soon.

    Just so many factors to even consider that now though.

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    Never wanted Lee in the first place. Glad he went elsewhere.

  49. LGY March 10th, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    Likely the pitching depth will sort itself out naturally like usual. Pitchers are just so unpredictable

  50. Betsy March 10th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    BD, thanks – boy, I really dislike him more with each passing day.

    Rich, that’s all very true…….though we’re very close to knowing Phil’s ceiling, closer than we are to knowing the Bs’ actual ceilings (Banuelos and Betances, I think, will be given time……). I figure Felix will not be available anytime soon, nor Johnson.

    The only pitcher I would not trade for Felix is Banuelos. I’m not sure what I’d give up for Johnson.

  51. BeholdArNo March 10th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    CompassRosy – being a Mariners fan – probably needs to feel some sort of glory, so she spends time reading and posting with fans of the greatest sports franchise in history. She is welcome here anytime.

    OT: I am so glad I will no longer have to hear “Fly Awaaay” any longer when we face the Mariners.

  52. Betsy March 10th, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    LGY, I know Wave has suggested that, but I’d still be hesitant to trade Phil (even as a Garza type or just slightly better) for an OF when they are so easy to find. I can’t see the Yankees doing that …..

  53. Betsy March 10th, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    LGY, that’s also true…….some of these guys will get hurt, some will simply not develop, etc…….

  54. David in Cal March 10th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    When the exhibition season began, Nova and Garcia were favorites to be 4th and 5th starter, and Mitre was favorite to be long man in the pen. I don’t think Colon has outpitched these 3 players, so they’re still favorites. The Yanks may try to hold on to Colon, either as a relief pitcher or in AAA, but I think getting the best players on their ML squad comes first.

  55. West Coast Yankee Fan March 10th, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    The only players on the Yankees who are “untradeable” IMO are those with no-trade clauses or contracts that are too large. It all depends on the return.

  56. BeholdArNo March 10th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    Obviously, this is pure imagination and has no chance of ever happening…

    Do you trade Cano straight up for Felix Hernandez? That’s a deal I’d do.

  57. LGY March 10th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    Yeah Betsy I seriously doubt they trade Hughes. I agree. Just trying the play the hypothetical.

    I need to be careful though. Someone may come in here and say I hate Hughes and want him punished!

  58. m March 10th, 2011 at 9:07 pm


    Rosy is a friend of trisha’s. As such, people pretty much leave her alone.

    I don’t mind what she writes, but I could do without the winkies.

  59. LGY March 10th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Mildly interesting factoid.

    Jeter does not have a NTC in his new contract.

  60. West Coast Yankee Fan March 10th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    Of course they would trade Hughes if the return was good enough. Why wouldn’t they?

  61. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    I tend not to read many posts. If a person makes it obvious that they are a fan of another team (rather than a stealth fan, posing as a Yankee fan), I ignore most if not all of their posts because they are boring and a waste of my time.

  62. Carl March 10th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    Sits at 93-95.

    Hit 98.

    Working on secondary pitches.

  63. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2011 at 9:10 pm


    10 and 5…

  64. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    But yeah, if you could trade Jeter for Hanley Ramirez, do it.

  65. LGY March 10th, 2011 at 9:11 pm


    10 and 5…”


    Ahh, true.

    My bad.

  66. West Coast Yankee Fan March 10th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Rosy is a class act. If you look at her site you will see how much love she puts into it. She’s a baseball fan in the truest sense of the word.

  67. SAS March 10th, 2011 at 9:13 pm


    Obviously you are new to this blog. Do you often go to a new friend’s house and criticize before you know what is happening. Compass Rosy happens to be a Mariner’s fan who has been nothing but polite, complimentary of the Yankees, etc. on here. If you don’t like it here…leave.

  68. LGY March 10th, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    This girl from Seattle once told me they don’t use umbrellas.

    Is that true?

  69. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    So every day in Seattle is a bad hair day?

  70. BeholdArNo March 10th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Please forget the comment about CompassRosy. I can more easily ignore her comments and subtle and often not-so-subtle digs at the Yankees than stir up crap. TIA

  71. LGY March 10th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    She told me they just buy really good raincoats that have hoods attached.

  72. m March 10th, 2011 at 9:23 pm


    You have a right to speak your mind. I’m sure you’re not the only one who feels the way you do. And let’s face it, when you visit another team’s blog no one’s going to roll out the red carpet for you.

  73. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    I agree with m about the right to speak one’s mind.

    It is, after all, the American way!

  74. West Coast Yankee Fan March 10th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Absolutely concur on the right for anyone to say whatever they want to. I’m just pointing out that unlike some fans of other teams, Rosy is very polite, respectful and engaging in a good, humorous manner. Just in case you didn’t know her.

  75. blake March 10th, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    CC looked pretty good today…much more like himself.

    Good to get Jorge some reps at 1B, you never know when he might have to play there.

    Heat/Lakers in a close one… guess is that Kobe wins it.

  76. LGY March 10th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Big time steal by Wade.

  77. m March 10th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    You no? I don’t do that trade. Robi is in his prime, and as Alex and Tex age, we’ll need his bat in the middle of the order.

    Love to have Felix, but not at the cost of one of the main cogs of our offense.

    We have an ace in CC. A good supporting cast with some great talent on its way.

    No to Robi for Felix.

  78. Nick in SF March 10th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Soon they will be tears of joy.

    G. Love, if you’re out there, no, I have not listened to the new Radiohead yet, but I think I’ll probably go underground like this guy when I do:


  79. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    The other problem with trading a position player for a pitcher, no matter how good they are, is that pitchers are fragile.

  80. LGY March 10th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    How does Artest miss that layup right under the basket?

  81. blake March 10th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    I wouldn’t trade Cano for anyone in baseball.

  82. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    I would trade Cano for Montero…

  83. blake March 10th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    “I would trade Cano for Montero…”

    lol…I would not.

  84. Joe from Long Island March 10th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Wow. Miami can actually win a game.

  85. GreenBeret7 March 10th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    What’s this “Hughes is close to his ceiling” crap? He’s 24 years old and is 3-4 years from reaching his peak years. Suddenly, now is the time to trade him? Burnett is gone 2 years after this season. Your expecting the 4 best pitchers in the system to all hit it big at the same time, without injuries or failures? Not likely. How about waiting to see if Hughes is a failure? Some of you either have no patience, are clueless, pathetic or just idiots. I’ll just figure that it’s all 4.

  86. Against All Odds March 10th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    # LGY March 10th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    How does Artest miss that layup right under the basket?


    He’s a mystery SMH

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