Upcoming spring rotation
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 20, 2011 
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The Yankees have announced most of their remaining spring training rotation, and it’s easy enough to speculate about most of the remaining starters.
These games are set.
3/21, Monday: Bartolo Colon
3/22, Tuesday: Sergio Mitre
3/23, Wednesday: A.J. Burnett & Phil Hughes
3/24, Thursday: Off day (Girardi incidated that Freddy Garcia will pitch in some capacity)
3/25, Friday: Ivan Nova
3/26, Saturday: CC Sabathia
For the final three spring games, it seems likely that the Yankees will give A.J. Burnett and Phil Hughes one last turn before the regular season. Those two could pitch in the minor leagues — especially Burnett, who would line up against Tampa Bay — but it makes sense that they’ll pitch one way or another on Monday or Tuesday. Sergio Mitre would be on proper rest to make next Sunday’s start, but the Yankees might need/want that game for a different rotation candidate (Colon maybe?).
Girardi guaranteed that all roster decisions will be finalized on the 28th, so giving one of the rotation candidates a start after that date wouldn’t do much good. This is speculation, but the final spring starts could line up like this.
3/27, Sunday: Mitre/Colon
3/28, Monday: A.J. Burnett
3/29, Tuesday: Phil Hughes
3/30, Wednesday: workout at Yankee Stadium
If the Yankees pick Nova as their fourth starter and keep him on turn, it would make sense to have him pitch on Wednesday — either some sort of sim game in New York or in a minor league game in Florida — so that he stays on turn for the fourth game of the regular season. The regular season opens at home against the Tigers, and the Yankees have already announced their rotation for that series.
3/31, Thursday: CC Sabathia
4/1, Friday: off day
4/2, Saturday: A.J. Burnett
4/3, Sunday: Phil Hughes
White smoke means Garcia, fat smoke means Colon.
“When the Red Sox lose a pitcher, they turn to….? When the Red Sox lose a catcher, they turn to…..?”
They turn to other teams to be gifted a player.
FWIW, Now, Casey Kelly is no longer hot stuff according to the experts. Seriously.
Is the question whether the red sox have guys in their system that compare to our david phelps and noesi types? our system isn’t great because the guys who would be our first call ups are great.
Jeter – .310: Under
Arod – 35 HRs: Over
Teixeira – .250 on May 1st: Over
Burnett – 13 wins: Over
Swisher .280: Push
Cano – .320: Under
Posada – 300 PA: Over
Granderson .240 vs lefties: Over
Gardner – .375 OBP: Over
Hughes – 4.00 ERA: Under
Nova – 10 wins: Over
Garcia – 15 starts: Over
Soriano – 3.00 ERA: Push
Is the question whether the red sox have guys in their system that compare to our david phelps and noesi types? our system isn’t great because the guys who would be our first call ups are great.
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Actually it is. The Yankees have a ton of mid to backend depth. A bunch of guys who WILL be major league starters. The Red Sox don’t have that. They don’t have guys comparable to Noesi and Phelps, thats the problem for them. They lack the upper echelon talent like Banuelos and Betances and lack even the mid range types.
The Yankees have a bevy of 5-star prospects but what is special is an almost innumerable amount of 3-star prospects. Guys who can have an impact at the major league level.
The Royals have a ton of 5 and 4 star guys, the Yankees don’t have that, but their high ranking is thanks to their top end talent and the physical quantity of guys who have a chance to be good in the majors.
Nah – to buy into that I would have to believe that guys like Phelps and Noesi are projectable ML starters…….and I don’t think either are more than back end fringe guys right now.
With an injury, boston goes to wakefield. Their situation isn’t so grim and its pathetic to sit here and pretend like injury is what they need to be worried about.
Jeter – .310: Under
Arod – 35 HRs: Push
Teixeira – .250 on May 1st: Under
Burnett – 13 wins: Over
Swisher .280: Under
Cano – .320: Over
Posada – 300 PA: Over
Granderson .240 vs lefties: Over
Gardner – .375 OBP: Push
Hughes – 4.00 ERA: Over
Nova – 10 wins: Over
Garcia – 15 starts: Over
Soriano – 3.00 ERA: Over
Face….Great article in this weeks Sports Illustrated on the KC Royals
Jeter – .310: push
Arod – 35 HRs: Over
Teixeira – .250 on May 1st: Over
Burnett – 13 wins: Over
Swisher .280: Push
Cano – .320: over
Posada – 300 PA: Over
Granderson .240 vs lefties: Over
Gardner – .375 OBP: Over
Hughes – 4.00 ERA: Under
Nova – 10 wins: Over
Garcia – 15 starts: Over
Soriano – 3.00 ERA: under
Just stopped by to say that I did my usual mediocre job of drafting. Damn. I got so discombobulated that I accidentally drafted two SS and missed out on Dan Uggla in the process.
Anyone want to see my team and rate it?
Forgetting injury and depth, we need to be concerned about the fact that 2 starters who will be in our rotation would be 6 and 7 starters in theirs. I’m less worried about who their 6/7 starters are and more worried about who my 4/5/6 starters are (and the quality of my #2).
Luis Castillo isn’t going to help the Phillies.
Nick in SF – that was very, very funny.
Trisha
I accidently took a few injured players. Oops. I was going to autdraft but I realized it was rigged when I kept getting Red Sox so I had to take matters into my own hands
Jeter – .310: Under
Arod – 35 HRs: Over
Teixeira – .250 on May 1st: Under
Burnett – 13 wins: Over
Swisher .280: Under
Cano – .320: Over
Posada – 300 PA: Over
Granderson .240 vs lefties: Push
Gardner – .375 OBP: Over
Hughes – 4.00 ERA: Over
Nova – 10 wins: Over
Garcia – 15 starts: Under
Soriano – 3.00 ERA: Under
tyanks, I ended up with 3 day-to-day, unbeknownst to me when I was drafting.
what a game between Cuse and Marquette
Jeter – .310: Under
Arod – 35 HRs: Under
Teixeira – .250 on May 1st: Over
Burnett – 13 wins: Under
Swisher .280: Over
Cano – .320: Over
Posada – 300 PA: Over
Granderson .240 vs lefties: Over
Gardner – .375 OBP: Over
Hughes – 4.00 ERA: Over
Nova – 10 wins: Over
Garcia – 15 starts: Over
Soriano – 3.00 ERA: Over
Great game going on right now… Big East basketball at its best (too bad they can’t beat anyone outsider their conference though lmao)
I think I like fantasy football better.
EA says:
March 20, 2011 at 9:41 pm
Great game going on right now… Big East basketball at its best (too bad they can’t beat anyone outsider their conference though lmao)
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My USF Bulls(football at least) can’t beat anyone IN the division. I like the Big East but I don’t care for basketball
Wow Syracuse is goin down.
Forgetting injury and depth, we need to be concerned about the fact that 2 starters who will be in our rotation would be 6 and 7 starters in theirs. I’m less worried about who their 6/7 starters are and more worried about who my 4/5/6 starters are (and the quality of my #2).
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Uh? No. Their back end is terrible. Beckett and Matsuzaka and Wakefield are poor choices for a rotation at this point. Behind them they have no one.
Nova, Garcia, anyone beats that.
The Red Sox at this point have 1 guy they count on to give them a good season for sure.
You can’t forget injury and depth….no team goes through a season with 5 starters.
I’m not worried at all about our rotation or the backup singers.
We have depth. I’m not a big fan of trading for pitching in season, but we have that option as well. We have the pieces to get it done. And we won’t need to give up Montero, Banuelos, or Betances.
Wow, the Big East fall continues.
I got Alex on my fantasy team so I am happy.
“Wow, the Big East fall continues.”
Marquette is a Big East team too…
Of course, they were a big underdog, but still…
Fran
I got Joe Mauer. He can sit on my bench all year and ill still be happy about getting him.
Your personal opinion might be that the Yankees innumerate back end rotation candidates are not good, but the whole reason the Yankees farm system is ranked where the experts have it is because of them. Noesi, Phelps, Mitchell, Warren, Brackman, and Nova, with guys like Stoneburner moving up are prospects that are propping up the highly ranked guys.
Yanks 97,
Guess I meant that the Big East “powerhouse” teams. Thought Syracuse would win.
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Tyanks,
I am happy for you. I know you really like Mauer
Trisha–
I hope all the posters here post their rosters. It would be fun to see.
BTW–Stuckey, are you going to set up a table with the over/under picks so everyone can see at season’s end? Or should we ask Doreen to add it to her site?
Fran, you have a great-looking team.
Tyanks, Mauer is a huge score.
Please don’t be jealous that I ended up with Benji Molina as catcher, nor that I have two short stops when the league calls for one.
At this time next season, if we end up using ESPN again I will know where the draft button is and where the search button is. (Last year we used CBS Sports so it wasn’t really the same set up. Not an excuse, but a reason.)
Both other times I flew by the seat of my pants. This time I dragged players over to the draft column. I think I do better by the seat of my pants.
Bojo I will post mine but I don’t want anyone blowing smoke. It is what it is. Okey dokey? Fran drafted a kick-ass team, if I must say so.
Okay I will post mine. Will try to do a cut and paste somehow.
Fran
I wanted to take Posey too but I figured I’d leave him for someone else. I am pretty happy with my picks but anything can happen so I’m not worried about anything.
Bengie Molina is retired.
Carlo–I have to agree with JF. I am not a fan at all of Dice K or Wakefield, and Lackey is so-so. Beckett has to SHOW ME that he is healthy for a full year…
They do have a good offense though. (Although I think lefties will give them troubles)
tyanks,
You have a good team. You stressed for nothing
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Trisha,
You have a good team too. I know you will win an award
FSU is going to beat the Irish.
Jerkface March 20th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Bengie Molina is retired.
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I’m truly surprised the Red Sox didn’t try to do something with him.
Trisha–please post the draft order too. Be interested in seeing what order people had.
He said he only wanted to come out of retirement for a winner.
Interesting that three people in this thread have predicted over 4 ERA for Hughes.
Time to get the stakes and torches out to drive these “Hughes Haters” out of town villagers.
Bengie is better than all the catchers Boston currently has
Hughes: 17 wins, 3.50ish ERA, 175 K’s.
I think Mauer and Cain were the only 2 pluses on my team. As much as I hate youkilis and Pedroia, they are supposed to have good years. I took Ramiro Pena just for fun.
Jerkface March 20th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
He said he only wanted to come out of retirement for a winner.
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Touche!
LGY March 20th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Interesting that three people in this thread have predicted over 4 ERA for Hughes.
Time to get the stakes and torches out to drive these “Hughes Haters” out of town villagers
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It’s getting to the point that a 4 ERA is ALMOST a quality start. Nothing wrong with it…can still win 20.
It will be interesting this year to see how overall MLB pitching does against hitters. Is the end of PEDs going to continue to drive down hitting stats, or will there be a rebound?
Maybe Chavez playing only a couple times a week and PH’ing will help him stay healthy.
Gonna be a tough pick for no. 5 S P. He who does a good job last may be the victor.
Nova should be no. 4 SP IMO
Over/under Round 2:
Andy Pettitte – 1 start:
Killer B’s (combined) – 5 ML starts:
Chamberlain – 98 on the gun:
Montero – 15 HRs:
Killer B’s minor league ERA’s – 3.00
Brackman:
Betances:
Banuelos:
Yankees 880 runs:
Rivera: 2.50 ERA:
Before you look at my roster, let me just say that I am very happy with my pitching staff. I love using some of the younger pitchers and guys who are just coming up, so much of my pitching staff was hand-picked, though there were obviously some who disappeared from sight that I also really wanted. (Jorge De La Rosa to name one.)
Also, because we didn’t use the ESPN site last year I got a little confused with the set up and drafted (accidentally) two SS and got screwed on some other position players because of it.
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POSITION PLAYERS
C Bengie Molina, Tex
1B Justin Morneau, Min
2B Brandon Phillips, Cin
3B Michael Young, Tex
SS Troy Tulowitzki, Col
2B/SS Derek Jeter, NYY
1B/3B David Freese, StL
OF Vernon Wells, LAA
OF Adam Jones, Bal
OF Jason Kubel, Min
OF Andres Torres, SF
OF Nyjer Morgan, Was
UTIL Hideki Matsui, Oak
Bench Juan Uribe, LAD
Bench Maicer Izturis, LAA
Bench Roger Bernadina, Was OF
PITCHERS
Ubaldo Jimenez, Col
Shaun Marcum, Mil
Jonathan Sanchez, SF
Ricky Nolasco, Fla
Gio Gonzalez, Oak
Travis Wood, Cin
Wade Davis, TB
Mike Pelfrey, NYM
Joakim Soria, KC
Over/under Round 2:
Andy Pettitte – 1 start: for the hell of if – over
Killer B’s (combined) – 5 ML starts: under
Chamberlain – 98 on the gun: push
Montero – 15 HRs: under
Killer B’s minor league ERA’s – 3.00
Brackman: over
Betances: under
Banuelos: over
Yankees 880 runs: under
Rivera: 2.50 ERA: under
I got Albert.
No Yankees.
My screen froze mid-draft and I was given Chris Young and Kendry Morales.
Most of my team is in the NL. The players I wanted flew by in a flash. I think I got Uggla trisha, but I couldn’t swear to it right now.
I’m unwinding a bit and then to bed. Gotta be up early and out the door to take daughter to physical in White Plains. I’m sooooo tired I can’t sleep. LOL
Andy Pettitte – 1 start: UNDER
Killer B’s (combined) – 5 ML starts: UNDER
Chamberlain – 98 on the gun: PUSH
Montero – 15 HRs: PUSH
Killer B’s minor league ERA’s – 3.00
Brackman: OVER
Betances: OVER
Banuelos: UNDER
Yankees 880 runs: OVER
Rivera: 2.50 ERA: UNDER
stuckey99 March 20th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Over/under Round 2:
Andy Pettitte – 1 start:Under
Killer B’s (combined) – 5 ML starts: Under
Chamberlain – 98 on the gun: Over
Montero – 15 HRs: Under
Killer B’s minor league ERA’s – 3.00 Under
Brackman: Under
Betances: Under
Banuelos: Under
Yankees 880 runs: Over
Rivera: 2.50 ERA: Under
Andy Pettitte – 1 start: Under
Killer B’s (combined) – 5 ML starts: Under
Chamberlain – 98 on the gun: Push
Montero – 15 HRs: Over
Killer B’s minor league ERA’s – 3.00
Brackman: Over
Betances: under
Banuelos: under
Yankees 880 runs: Over
Rivera: 2.50 ERA: under
# BoJo March 20th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
LGY March 20th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Interesting that three people in this thread have predicted over 4 ERA for Hughes.
Time to get the stakes and torches out to drive these “Hughes Haters” out of town villagers
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It’s getting to the point that a 4 ERA is ALMOST a quality start. Nothing wrong with it…can still win 20.
It will be interesting this year to see how overall MLB pitching does against hitters. Is the end of PEDs going to continue to drive down hitting stats, or will there be a rebound?
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Don’t forget, no test for HGH ! Dominican “milkshake” still in effect.
New stuff still arriving with some being undetectable at this stage. But, overall, it’s headed downward, I hope.
Trisha
You took Morneau, Gonzalez and bernadina who I wanted right before I could take them.
Andy Pettitte – 1 start: Under
Killer B’s (combined) – 5 ML starts: Under
Chamberlain – 98 on the gun: Over
Montero – 15 HRs: Under
Killer B’s minor league ERA’s – 3.00
Brackman: Over
Betances: Over
Banuelos: Under
Yankees 880 runs: Push
Rivera: 2.50 ERA: Under
Trisha–
How does the league work next? How many adds/drops do you get per week? Trades?
Blake
Have to say I am not surprised at all about the FSU score. It looks like ND will have to get real hot just to score 25 in the 1st.
Doreen, isn’t it an incredibly harrowing process? You have players you know you want and they quickly disappear. I was going for Uggla when I accidentally drafted DJ. So that threw off the rest of my draft in terms of being able to draft the position I wanted in the round I wanted.
Last year my screen froze and I got, I believe, 3 autopicks. Joe Mauer, Adam Dunn, and Ryan Zimmerman. Talk about dying and going to heaven. They were probably my best three players!
Just got done with my fantasy baseball draft on yahoo.
Decent team?????
C Russell Martin
1B Ryan Howard
2B Dan Uggla
3B Álex Rodríguez
SS Álex González
OF José Bautista
OF Jayson Werth
OF Carlos Quentin
Util Paul Konerko
Util Mark Reynolds
BN Jason Kubel
BN Derrek Lee
BN Jed Lowrie
BN Jorge Cantú
SP David Price
SP Jonathan Sánchez
RP Heath Bell
RP Brian Wilson
P Joakim Soria
P John Danks
P David Aardsma
BN Trevor Cahill
BN Ricky Nolasco
BN Gio González
BN Wade Davis
We set rosters once a week, before first game Monday. We can do as many adds and drops as we want. I’ve never been involved in a trade so I don’t know but I think they are also limitless, but at some point in the season they end for good.
Fran will tell us the draft order, but I was 8th.
I think I have these right though. Upstate Kate was 1; Fran was 2; Doreen was 3; Tyanks was 6; Erica was 7; and I was 8. That’s all I know for sure.
ron, certainly a decent team!
C- Mauer
1B – Youkilis
2B – Pedroia
3B – Sandoval
SS – Alexei Ramirez
2B/SS – Ramiro Pena
1B/3B – Danny Valencia
OF – Jason Heyward
OF – Michael Bourn
OF – Logan Morrison
OF – Chris Coghlan(forgot he was injured)
OF – Matt Joyce
Utility – Jesus Montero
Bench – Cody Ross
Bench – Freddie Freeman
Bench – Peter Bourjos
Pitchers
Matt Cain
John Danks
Ivan Nova
Tommy Hunter
Anibal Sanchez
David Robertson
Sergio Romo
Matt Reynolds
Javier Lopez
Trisha,
I hope I get so lucky as you did!
It was incredibly frustrating. I had Gardner on board when my screen froze, by the time my screen unfroze I missed like 40 players go by and had no idea who they were at first. I felt like I was playing catch-up the whole night.
If my husband wasn’t there helping me, I seriously don’t think I’d have finished up in one piece. I was thisclose to losing it! I had no idea how fast it would move. I had a general plan that went out the window by the third round.
And now that I have a team, I have no idea what to do with it. Albert better be good!!!
Oops. I meant last year I had Mauer by autopick, not Mourneau.
Tyanks, you have good taste! The same thing happened to me with Delmon Young, Michael Bourn, Jorge De La Rosa, even Hong-Chih Kuo. I had them ready to draft and bang!
It’s kind of hard to say how a roster looks without knowing the league specifics. A small league leaves a lot of players to build awesome rosters…When I played, it was AL only with 10 teams–which really made it interesting to try and find the hidden gems.
Tar,
the noles are tough defensively…they are a really good team and I was surprised that they were seeded that low.
Trisha–sounds like you have some real trade opportunities.
“It’s getting to the point that a 4 ERA is ALMOST a quality start. Nothing wrong with it…can still win 20.”
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If that is the expectation for Hughes this year it seems like there are some Hughes Hatin Lohudders laying in the weeds as Betsy takes a beating by herself.
Also, it seemed like the second I said, “I’ll pick player-x next” the very next player off the board was player-x.
My team:
C – Giovanny Soto
1B- Albert Pujols (with the 3rd pick)
2B – Uggla
3B – Ian Stewart
SS – Drew
2B/SS – Danny Espinosa
1B/3B – Kendry Morales
OF – Chris Young
OF – Drew Stubbs
OF – Travis Snider
OF – Garrett Jones
OF – Cameron Maybin
UT – Tyler Calvin
BE – Kila Ka-aihue
BE – Carlos Gomez
BE – Bill Hall
P – Lester
P- Neftali Feliz
P – Chris Carpenter
P – Matt Thornton
P – Madison Baumgarner
P – Ian Kennedy
P – Edison Volqueq
P – Jair Jurrjens
P – Octavio Dotel
Blake
I think the Heels had the highest score against them this year. That game on thier court was a dog fight.
LGY, I’m not a Hughes Hater, lol.
You guys are in trouble.
Ordered my HTC Thunderbolt today. 4G speed on the go.
I will be a faster and more efficient machine away from my computer
Doreen, you will be amazed at how quickly you pick up the process, especially you. But yes, it is a frustrating process. I know how helpless I felt when my screen froze last year.
What we will do next is wait for opening week and then set up our teams. Your individual team page will really show you how to do it. If you accidentally select two 1B, for example, the screen will immediately tell you that you have too many 1B. It really guides you through the process. So you end up with 15 or 16 active players per week (5 of them being pitchers). The rest becomes your bench. At this point if there are any players on your team you are not happy about, you can go to the Players tab and you’ll see all the available FA.
Also, people tend to make trades with each other. That’s something I’ve never done because frankly I’m not good at it.
I wasn’t exaggerating an iota when I said I found the draft as nervewracking as postseason games!
Tar,
Yea it was …they just had no defense for the black falcon in the end
not sure how I feel about the Syracuse game….Syracuse is better than Marquette most likely but Marquette is hot….will be a tough one.
LGY March 20th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
“It’s getting to the point that a 4 ERA is ALMOST a quality start. Nothing wrong with it…can still win 20.”
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If that is the expectation for Hughes this year it seems like there are some Hughes Hatin Lohudders laying in the weeds as Betsy takes a beating by herself.
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Really? Is that hating?
I rate Hughes as a #3 with some upside if he continues to work hard to master a change and curve. I’m very happy with him in that role…but I haven’t yet seen him take the next step up to ace where I want him pitching in the lead game of a play-off series. He might get there, but isn’t there yet IMO.
If that is hating, knock yourself out.
LGY……Welcome home
Just saw the Montero double….what a swing.
And I’m fine with taking a beating if it means holding onto my convictions – better I do that then that my opinions blow whichever is the way of the majority…….That is funny, though – will those 3 people take it on the chin, lol? I doubt it.
I got a lot of the players I wanted. Some I did not. I think my team is ok, but I need some time to look it over.
Doreen, you are my Week 1 opponent
LGY March 20th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
You guys are in trouble.
Ordered my HTC Thunderbolt today. 4G speed on the go.
I will be a faster and more efficient machine away from my computer
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I would be interested in hearing your opinions of it.
Doreen, didn’t I say that all your players would disappear?
If it makes you feel any better, I was drafting Soto, Uggla, Ian Stewart, Madison Baumgarner, and Edison Volquez.
If I hadn’t drafted two SS, I would have had Uggla. I don’t think you are going to be unhappy with him.
Betsy March 20th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
And I’m fine with taking a beating if it means holding onto my convictions – better I do that then that my opinions blow whichever is the way of the majority…….That is funny, though – will those 3 people take it on the chin, lol? I doubt it.
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I never say this, but “you go girl!”
Bojo, I’m pretty sure LGY was being facetious, but I do think it’s ridiculous that believing a pitcher is something along the lines of a middle of the rotation pitcher instead of some stud constitutes being a hater. In essence, that is what people on this board think – it’s black or white. You either think he’s an ace or he’s trash.
Thanks Trisha.
I’m sure I’ll get the hang of it at some point. LOL
Trisha
The sux were the only autodrafts so I take no respoonsibility for them. The rest were either people ive heard of or cute guys. I’m a shallow girl.
“If that is the expectation for Hughes this year it seems like there are some Hughes Hatin Lohudders laying in the weeds”
Only if the implication is that a 4 ERA is bad.
If Burnett puts up a 4 ERA (duplicating his 09 season), we will be doing cartwheels. Don’t see why it would be different for Hughes.
Bojo, I believe that in life – not just on this board or about Phil. I resent (again, not just on here) being told that my opinion is wrong (it’s not like I’m saying the sky is purple, where my opinion would be wrong) when others insist that theirs is right. That just makes me dig in my heels – and it means that real discussion can not be had, which is unfortunate
Pat M,
Thanks.
How is the over/under research going?
Trisha -
Uggla I wanted.
But it was interesting to keep adjusting “what I wanted.” It seemed to change every 30-60 seconds!!
I’m not unhappy with the team overall, but kind of surprised at how it looks now that it’s all over.
ron,
Good team. I have Alex too. I was worried that I wouldn’t get him. He was my #1 pick.
And Doreen, you have some exciting young pitching there. I personally think it’s really exciting to have pitchers like Neftali Feliz, Baumgarner and Jair Jurrjens because you are talking about so much upside.
I think you did a really good job there.
Betsy–
It’s really not an argument I care about. My opinion on where he stacks doesn’t influence his pitching in amyway, nor influence Cashman’s trade strategies.
If people want to try to convince me what I don’t believe, let them waste their time. I probably wouldn’t even respond.
Bojo,
I should be receiving it Tuesday or Wednesday so I’ll let you know.
Doreen,
It is hard to see as the draft is going. That’s why you need to step back and you’ll see that you will probably make many changes over the course of the season.
IMO, a 4 ERA for any pitcher is not that good………I think we’d be doing cartwheels for AJ because he’s not going to be more than he is at age 34 – he’s been a good pitcher in his career for sure, but that’s about it. At age 24, going on 25, IMO, a 4 ERA does not represent much, if any progress, for Phil towards this ideal of him as a front of the rotation pitcher. He’s not 22 – he’ll be 25.
I am seriously upset about that drafting mistake with Jeter (that’s when I was figuring out where the draft button was and he was next on my list; I was going to move him when I was just letting the next in my list get selected, but I found the draft button and hit it and unfortuntately I had not moved him down. That seriously screwed up all of my other position players because I was a round behind with each position and really took it on the chin. I would have had Uggla otherwise.
“I rate Hughes as a #3 with some upside if he continues to work hard to master a change and curve. I’m very happy with him in that role…but I haven’t yet seen him take the next step up to ace where I want him pitching in the lead game of a play-off series. He might get there, but isn’t there yet IMO.”
I would agree with that as well.
Nothing wrong if he puts up a 4 ERA in the AL East. Not to mention, it is all about how the ERA is compiled.
Betsy March 20th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Bojo, I believe that in life – not just on this board or about Phil. I resent (again, not just on here) being told that my opinion is wrong (it’s not like I’m saying the sky is purple, where my opinion would be wrong) when others insist that theirs is right. That just makes me dig in my heels – and it means that real discussion can not be had, which is unfortunate
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Nothing wrong with that…the only thing I think is important is to first seek to understand what the other person is saying before you kill them
Bojo, I really have to try not to get involved in these discussions, but they pop up when I least expect them, lol. It’s ok – the only thing that matters is that Phil, like all the other starters, pitches well – because it’s all about the team.
Andy Pettitte – 1 start: Under
Killer B’s (combined) – 5 ML starts: Push
Chamberlain – 98 on the gun: Over
Montero – 15 HRs: Over
Killer B’s minor league ERA’s – 3.00
Brackman: Over
Betances: Under
Banuelos: Under
Yankees 880 runs: Over
Rivera: 2.50 ERA: Under
trisha – true pinstriped blue March 20th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
I am seriously upset about that drafting mistake with Jeter (that’s when I was figuring out where the draft button was and he was next on my list; I was going to move him when I was just letting the next in my list get selected, but I found the draft button and hit it and unfortuntately I had not moved him down. That seriously screwed up all of my other position players because I was a round behind with each position and really took it on the chin. I would have had Uggla otherwise.
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Sometimes little mistakes turn out to produce great results…moldy bread anyone?
The pitching does look fine. It’s the bench where it’s iffy, but I guess that’s true for everyone. I just realized looking at my roster I don’t have a backup catcher. I don’t know if that’s important. Probably is.
Fran, if I recall correctly, CBS let us see who was getting what player as they got the player. CBS was less confusing to me.
Anyway, it’s done, thank God.
LOL Bojo, it’s hard for me to do that when I have to be on the defensive all the time. I think it’s easier to seek to understand people you know than it is people you don’t know, like on a message board. In any case, the only players I “hate” are opposing players.
Betsy March 20th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
IMO, a 4 ERA for any pitcher is not that good
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A 4.5 ERA means that the pitcher held the other team for 6 innings to 3 runs (on average). With this team’s offense and bullpen, that could win 20 games. It is all a matter of context.
I think the only thing that can derail the Yankees is health.
I don’t think I ever had a back-up catcher. The good thing about a back-up catcher is that he’s there is your guy goes down in the middle of a week. The bad thing is that you’ll never use him otherwise because we can only use one catcher so you’re taking up a bench spot. The worst that happens is that you go a week without a catcher in the game. Unless you have a catcher that is raking, it really doesn’t make that much difference – especially because your backup likely won’t be a raking catcher.
Fantasy Baseball is fun, but I never do it anymore because I always end up losing interest in it as the season winds on. I get involved with planning vacations or whatever- too bad, though, because I like coming up with cool names for my teams.
Doreen, what are you calling your team?
LGY March 20th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Bojo,
I should be receiving it Tuesday or Wednesday so I’ll let you know.
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Can you compare it to an Iphone? My wife had one of those and loves it…But I am thinking android myself…(currently have a blackberry)
I don’t have a back-up catcher either. Most of the catchers catch most every day. If he gets hurt, it’s easy to just pick one up off waivers.
I’m not sure, but I thinking just clicked on the GTLU site, is that yours Doreen? It’s nice.
Actually you can’t use your back-up if your guy goes down in the middle of the week. You have to wait until the beginning of the next week. So what you really end up asking yourself is whether you want to waste a bench spot for the season with someone you might never use, when you could easily pick up a FA catcher in the event yours goes down. I wouldn’t waste the spot. But that’s me.
Trisha–then it is awfully sporting of you to pick a retired catcher, and give the rest of the league such a good starting advantage.
They were 24 pitchers in the AL last year who put up ERAs below 4 (among qualifiers, Andy did not qualify FYI)
Hernandez, Buchholz, Lester, Price, Cahill, Weaver, Lee, Sabathia, Gonzalez, Wilson, Verlander, Braden, Scherzer, Liriano, Marcum, Danks, Lewis, Pavano, Carmona, Garza, Guthrie, Santana, Vargas.
If you count both leagues, there were 57.
Trisha, we posted the same thing about catchers!
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Kansas has this game under control.
Betsy, it’s a lot of work, that’s for sure. At least this league is one where we only set our rosters once a week. The one we had the first year I participated we set our rosters daily! You want to see your head spin and your eyes cross. I can’t count the times I got home from work and remembered I hadn’t set my roster.
Bojo,
It depends on what you are looking for in the phone. If you are into itunes and have a mac and all that stuff and what everything synced up the iPhone might be best.
If you are in an area that Verizon has set up for 4G, the Thunderbolt and the other 4g phones coming out blow the iPhone away in speed, web browsing, downloading, etc.
Betsy -
The Diamond Dazzlers.
I think this is going to end up being a joint venture between me and my husband. I think he likes the idea that I’m doing it and he can help. he doesn’t really have time to do a fantasy league anymore, but he was right with me the whole draft. He was great! I figured it would be fun to try it.
Bojo, I get that, but still – I think (and I’m not talking about any specific pitcher now) the better pitchers have ERAs under 4 – and the best pitchers quite a bit under 4. Now I think there is some leeway with regards to pitchers in the AL East vs. the rest of the AL or the AL in general vs. the NL and it’s pitcher-strewn lineups.
Fran – we’re both so smart!
Doreen, I like that! If I were doing it, I think I’d call my team the Hidden Mickeys (in honor of my trip to Disney) or Meddling Kids (because I love Scooby Doo, lol). It is fun, but of course if you end up picking Sox players, you have to root for them, lol.
Bojo – WAH!!!!! I didn’t realize he had retired. STUPID ASS ESPN shouldn’t have even had him there then!
Did he really retire?
Okay, my first official act will be to pick up a catcher off waivers on Tuesday!
Betsy,
I didn’t invite you this year because when I asked you last season you said you didn’t do fantasy anymore. Sorry.
“If you count both leagues, there were 57.”
Which by thumbnail math, means if you got a qualifying 3rd starter with an ERA in the low 4′s, you’re probably ahead of the game.
“The sux were the only autodrafts so I take no respoonsibility for them. The rest were either people ive heard of or cute guys. I’m a shallow girl.”
Just saw this!
Yes, m, GTLU is mine. Thanks.
LGY March 20th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
Bojo,
It depends on what you are looking for in the phone. If you are into itunes and have a mac and all that stuff and what everything synced up the iPhone might be best.
If you are in an area that Verizon has set up for 4G, the Thunderbolt and the other 4g phones coming out blow the iPhone away in speed, web browsing, downloading, etc.
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Kind of what I am thinking too. I’m a PC and Windows user, and prefer managing my own MP3s thru WINAMP than Itunes. Would prefer Flash and PC apps and productivity apps to games.
Trisha,
Still some good catchers available. Wait till they become FAs. Think they all come off waivers Tuesday or Wednesday.
Well the way I see it, I am in a good position to do a little wheeling and dealing here.
Derek Jeter anyone?
You know how to reach me.
trisha – true pinstriped blue March 20th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Bojo – WAH!!!!! I didn’t realize he had retired. STUPID ASS ESPN shouldn’t have even had him there then!
Did he really retire?
Okay, my first official act will be to pick up a catcher off waivers on Tuesday!
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Unless you can use stats from Beer Leagues…
Fran, you don’t need to apologize; had you asked, I would have turned you down because, as I said, I tend to lose interest as I get more involved in other things. I wouldn’t have wanted other people to lose out while I barely played. It IS fun – I just get too involved in other subjects that I don’t have the time to spend on fantasy. Good luck with your team!
“Hernandez, Buchholz, Lester, Price, Cahill, Weaver, Lee, Sabathia, Gonzalez, Wilson, Verlander, Braden, Scherzer, Liriano, Marcum, Danks, Lewis, Pavano, Carmona, Garza, Guthrie, Santana, Vargas.”
Not surprisingly, only 6 of the 24 were from the AL East. Easy to put up lofty ERAs in places like Oakland and Seattle. Not so much in the AL East, especially as a RH pitcher pitching home games at NYS. Plus road games at Rogers, Camden, Fenway, Tampa.
Betsy -
I’ve got Jon Lester. He’s probably one Red Sox I don’t mind rooting for, except if he’s playing the Yankees, of course.
How does Erica’s team look. wait let me guess
C-Ms piggy
1B-Big Bird
2B-Bert
SS-Elmo
3B-Cookie Monster
Thanks Betsy. My team this season is Pretty in Pinstripes.
Trisha–
I’d move Morneau and Jeter and see if you can get some more bullpen help and a C. Try trading more this year…that is really a fun part of the whole experience.
Doreen, lucky you- he’s really a great pitcher. I’ve heard from Sox fans that personally he’s something of a sourpuss, but as a story, he’s sure inspirational. He’s a guy that wasn’t supposed to be this good- I would love to have him on my team.
Bojo,
The camera is awesome on the thunderbolt too, which was important to me. 8mp.
That region is just opening wide up for the Jayhawks to stroll to Houston.
I better hit the sack.
‘Night folks!
See ya tomorrow afternoon.
Fran, I agree. Lots of time for drops and adds.
Now is the time to relax and forget it for a few hours!
Tar March 20th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
How does Erica’s team look. wait let me guess
C-Ms piggy
1B-Big Bird
2B-Bert
SS-Elmo
3B-Cookie Monster
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That’s the rotation, not the INF
Fran, I love that name………
LGY March 20th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Bojo,
The camera is awesome on the thunderbolt too, which was important to me. 8mp.
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Gotta love that…and the 2nd camera for video conferencing is great too.
Why even buy a cell-phone anymore? Every time you buy an awesome one, they come out with an even more awesome one within 2 months, and an even awesomer one two months after that.
Bojo, actually there are some decent enough FA catchers, believe it or not. I don’t know that I want to move Mourneau, but I definitely don’t need two SS and I can guarantee you that most people ended up with someone average to good because the SS fantasy market is really thin. I drafted my SS in the first round for that reason. (Second round also, grr!)
My disagreement with Betsy on the Hughes issue has stemmed from the fact that I expect much more than 4+ ERAs in Hughes’ both near and distant future.
If you believe he is around a 4 ERA guy, then you would be surprised how much in agreement you are with Betsy.
Eroc March 20th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
“Hernandez, Buchholz, Lester, Price, Cahill, Weaver, Lee, Sabathia, Gonzalez, Wilson, Verlander, Braden, Scherzer, Liriano, Marcum, Danks, Lewis, Pavano, Carmona, Garza, Guthrie, Santana, Vargas.”
Not surprisingly, only 6 of the 24 were from the AL East
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Great point…a 4 ERA in AL East is like a 3 in the NL West IMO. There is NO SAME in a 4 ERA in AL East.
***NO SHAME***
Thanks Betsy.
Have a good night all. See you tomorrow.
“Why even buy a cell-phone anymore?”
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Because I stop using a beeper 10 years ago?
Trisha–
I would never hold a player on my roster coming back from a major head concussion…but that’s just me.
LGY-Then I guess I would have to agree with Betsy…but again, it is no big deal to me. I’d be happy with a 4 ERA from my #3 pitcher…it will win a lot of games, and that is really what it is all about.
# Tar March 20th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
How does Erica’s team look. wait let me guess
C-Ms piggy
1B-Big Bird
2B-Bert
SS-Elmo
3B-Cookie Monster
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that 1-5>>>>>>>>>>>Yankees
“Why even buy a cell-phone anymore? Every time you buy an awesome one, they come out with an even more awesome one within 2 months, and an even awesomer one two months after that.”
Did the Best Buy Buyback Program sponsor that comment???
AZ88 March 20th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Why even buy a cell-phone anymore? Every time you buy an awesome one, they come out with an even more awesome one within 2 months, and an even awesomer one two months after that.
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I saw the Onion Movie last night, and there was a funny sketch about a guy buying a PC, and how it was obsolete before he even set it up at home…time after time…
Trish, everyday? I used to do that in my office and it was fun for awhile…….A weekly thing would be better for me, but frankly it’s really not suited to me at all. I get these “passions” for different subjects and when I get like that, it’s all I can do to not spend all my free time interested in that subject. In those times, I just can’t take the time to research my fantasy baseball team. That’s why I leave this to others.
LGY, it’s not like I’ve spent any time thinking about what ERA Phil will have in the future…..I happen to think he’ll have an above 4 ERA this year, but my belief as to what kind of pitcher he’ll end up being has to do with his breaking pitches in general and also his stuff. People can disagree reasonably — which you and I generally do.
“Because I stop using a beeper 10 years ago?”
Wow your parents bought you a beeper at 2 years old!
The Thunderbolt and the Motorola Bionic will prob be the best phones on the market for a good amount of time.
And, Verizon is probably going to increase the price for 4g in the future, so it is a good idea to get locked in at their standard 29.99 price now if you are care about that stuff.
Nick
I hope you made that halftime move you talked about.
Tar,
“Wow your parents bought you a beeper at 2 years old!”
“welcome back LGY. Hey what’s Jeter hitting so far….”
Thanks. Unfortunately, I came back and saw Jeter is still hitting for no power
“Thanks. Unfortunately, I came back and saw Jeter is still hitting for no power”
yeah… but thats to be epected for the Yankees “lead off” hitter.
I took FSU +6.5 2H as a hedge, which gave me a 1-point middle, not looking remotely possible.
Oh well, the upside is that ND will lose and lose badly, that never hurts.
“yeah… but thats to be epected for the Yankees “lead off” hitter.”
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My boy Gardenhoser has 5 2B and 1 3B.
Jeter has an 8.00 GO/FO ratio. Double
Bojo, Mourneau was also the product of the double SS gaffe/dominoe. However, he’s better than a lot of what’s out there, though I see what you’re saying…
I have to think about that one. I can always use someone else in his place and bench him for a while to see how he does. For instance, Freese is listed as 1B/3B, so I can move him to 1B and use either Juan Uribe or Maicer Izturis at 3B, as both are listed as being able to plug in at 3B. Uribe is listed as SS/2B/3B and Izturis as 2B/3B.
I think the way it works is that for a player to be listed at multiple positions, he has to have played in that position a certain number of games.
I’d rather not give up Mourneau if it appears that he is going to pick things up. I’d rather bench him for a while and wait and watch.
Please don’t bat Jeter leadoff.
Jeter should still lead off against lefties. He should hit 2nd behind Gardner against righties.
This reminds me of how Digger Phelps used to lay eggs when he was at the helm of the Fightless Irish of South Bend…..Glad I only touched this debacle lightly……GB where art thou GB ???/
I was kidding!!!!!! No more Jeter vs Gardner talk
besides I don’t even know how to look up ST stats.
Betsy, that’s why I always meet myself coming back! Because I always take on a lot more than I should and wonder why I feel punch drunk half of the time. And when I take something on I really throw myself into it. So my life feels like one big multitask!
Need to simplify.
Yeah, as if.
as I said the other day….the ACC isn’t nearly as bad as everyone thinks.
Pat M
Blake and I saw this one coming. That’s a good FSU team.
Fortunately I don’t care about ST and none of this stuff matters in 10 days.
BUT, it is another way to bash Jeter, which is always a good time.
“besides I don’t even know how to look up ST stats.”
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sorta.....osCode=nya
Jeter bashing 101 is a core class in Sabetmetrics school….you have to pass it to get your wizard hat.
I think Hughes will have an ERA < 4 because it will mean a significant improvement in his pitching abilities. I think he will be around 3.75, shaving off about .3 runs from his ERA. A 4 ERA may be acceptable, but when the AVERAGE ERA is around 4 its not really that acceptable for Hughes.
Hughes had a 4.19 ERA and a 102 ERA+, so 2% better than average. I want Hughes to be more like 10,20,30% better than average, because Hughes is a good pitcher and SHOULD be above average. It doesn't matter if 4 ERA is acceptable or not.
Pat M. March 20th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
This reminds me of how Digger Phelps used to lay eggs when he was at the helm of the Fightless Irish of South Bend…..Glad I only touched this debacle lightly……GB where art thou GB ???/
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Pat, I told you the other night that my heart will always pick ND, but, I’ll never bet on them to win in a big game
Jeter should still lead off against lefties. He should hit 2nd behind Gardner against righties.
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Yea and I think the Yankees might lean this way.
Tar…..I had a bad feeling about this game after I read what Blake and yourself had to say…….Bad call on my part as I was 3 for 3 today until this mess
Hughes had a sub 4 ERA last year until Aug 25th when he threw a clunker against Toronto….he threw another one against the Jays about a week later and it kept him above 4 for the season.
besides I don’t even know how to look up ST stats.
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If you did, what would you need us stat geeks for?
Pat M,
Did you take the points against the Heels?
Pat – hope u listened and took the points like I said. ND doesn’t have the talent. Talent plays in the NCAA. Systems can win in big east conference play. This is a classic example.
Blake – as I said the other day, its duke/unc and a bunch of subpar stuff. FSU looks decent, but let’s not get carried away.
blake…I took the dogs in games vs Duke, NC & Texas
Good night night people…off to watch recorded Onion News…and sleep.
“Jeter bashing 101 is a core class in Sabetmetrics school….you have to pass it to get your wizard hat.”
blake
The problem is that when it comes to Jeter, the word bashing has been defined down so far that it no longer has any meaning.
Carlo,
and I said lets see how they do in the tourney…if FSU finishes this one out the ACC will be 7-1 in the tournament.
Are Gardner’s righty splits significantly different from lefty splits?
“If you did, what would you need us stat geeks for”
You can’t be trusted. AH ha. thanks trisha
Let’s see gardner has twice as many k’s, a lower batting average, do I need to go on.
ND has some life.
The problem is that when it comes to Jeter, the word bashing has been defined down so far that it no longer has any meaning.
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So has the constant whining about where he hits. Nobody was whining in 2009.
Rich,
I’m just messin with LGY….but for a guy that’s a first ballot HOFer at a premium position, he has drawn a lot of heat from a down year.
Are Gardner’s righty splits significantly different from lefty splits?
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He gets on base around the same amount, but hits for less average and less power against lefties. His ability to maintain a consistent on base even against lefties is really nice though. It helps negate the other deficiencies. Its likely that he realizes he can be overmatched by Lefties so he tries to work walks and fight off pitches rather than attack the zone.
Yes, but that’s the advantage of putting quality in versus quality. Putting 2 final four favorites and two other marginal teams in versus putting 11 teams, 9 of which are pretty marginal, makes it easier to put up a nice win %. And like I said the other day, both unc and dook are final four quality teams in my book.
Let’s pray for duke to beat arizona and uconn to beat sdsu and we can go head to head next weekend for conference bragging rights.
I would say we have a unc situation but with marquette winning its not all that exciting. Seeing cuse in the zone would have given unc fits in my opinion. They roll over marquette though.
Blake,
Jeter had the audacity to reach his mid-30s.
That just can’t be tolerated.
So has the constant whining about where he hits. Nobody was whining in 2009.
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You mean when the Yankees had two fairly interchangable assets in the 1-2 spots of the order?
ND is ice cold shooting and sloppy on defense. There issues every year is by they get to tournament time, they expend so much energy just getting there, they run out of gas.
Meant quality (unc/duke) versus quantity (9 big east teams)
“They roll over marquette though.”
don’t say that….seriously they could lose to anybody or beat anybody.
My point was that the Big East shouldn’t have had 11 teams in and the ACC should have had more than 4.
“Jeter had the audacity to reach his mid-30s.
That just can’t be tolerated.”
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Yet, he is being paid and positioned offensively like he is still the player in his mid 20s.
Jeter’s career OBP is higher than Gardner’s from 2010..
“Jeter bashing 101 is a core class in Sabetmetrics school….you have to pass it to get your wizard hat.”
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A-Rod used to be a guest speaker in that class.
I don’t agree because the big east resumes for teams 8-11 were considerably better than the acc teams 5-7.
I will say that about marquette because its a real smooth reverse jinx attempt by me.
***Their issues every year is by ***the time*** they
GB,
I am not in good shape draft-wise. I have 3 players who are DTD, and I didn’t want. I couldn’t find the pitchers available. I did get Halladay with my first pick. I got Prince Fielder, Guerrero, Figgins, Ted Lilly. No good closer. I got Brian McCann and Jose Reyes. I can’t remember who else.
I am frustrated with the DTD’s and not being able to find pitchers,
“I don’t agree because the big east resumes for teams 8-11 were considerably better than the acc teams 5-7. ”
eh, haven’t really shown that this week.
Jeter’s career OBP is higher than Gardner’s from 2010..
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Also higher than Jeter’s 2010 OBP! And his career AVG was higher than his 2010… and his SLG… and higher than his 3-year rolling average from 08 to 2010.
“Let’s see gardner has twice as many k’s, a lower batting average, do I need to go on.”
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Considering Gardner has Jeter beat in every other category, I am not sure it is even possible for you to go on.
But sure, go for it
In his career, to beat out Gardner’s 2010 OBP Jeter has had to hit .320 or higher. So I guess the question is, did you take the over on Stuckey’s ‘Jeter .310 AVG’ bet?
Blake,
Another thing about the Big East is that they were all seeded high. I didn’t follow the basketball during the season, and I know the the Big East has good basketball teams, but you are right about the ACC.
blake
OK, my bad.
I don’t want to rehash prior battles, and I hope his ST is indicative of what his season will be like.
The reason I want Gardner in the leadoff spot every game (even though I agree that a platoon is more likely) is that he scares people, and Jeter can do what he does in the #2 slot.
JF,
point was that we don’t know if 2010 was a blip in a very consistent year or actual decline yet. He was one of the best players in baseball in 2009….if it was a blip then you want him near the top of your lineup. I like Gardner leading off against righties because that just gets another on base guy with speed up there….
“A-Rod used to be a guest speaker in that class”
It appears Jerk flunked out.
Did va tech and bc prove the committee wrong by losing 2nd round NIT home games to wichita and northwestern?
SAS March 20th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
GB,
I am not in good shape draft-wise. I have 3 players who are DTD, and I didn’t want. I couldn’t find the pitchers available. I did get Halladay with my first pick. I got Prince Fielder, Guerrero, Figgins, Ted Lilly. No good closer. I got Brian McCann and Jose Reyes. I can’t remember who else.
I am frustrated with the DTD’s and not being able to find pitchers,
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SAS, that’s a good start. One great pitcher, one better than average pitcher, power, average and speed and a top offensive catcher. With Figgins, you have a guy that can play more than one position.
Jerkface,
I think Jeter will hit .308
“It appears Jerk flunked out.”
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Impossible.
Face has taken Advanced Jeter Bashing and passing 101 is a pre req.
He was one of the best players in baseball in 2009….if it was a blip then you want him near the top of your lineup.
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Which is why he should bat 2nd. And Gardner should bat 1st. If both of them on base .380+ the yankees will score many many runs.
Did 08 not count as a blip?
“Did va tech and bc prove the committee wrong by losing 2nd round NIT home games to wichita and northwestern?”
nobody cares about the NIT, teams don’t get up for those games after they’ve had their dreams shattered the week before. It’s not the same.
“Yet, he is being paid and positioned offensively like he is still the player in his mid 20s.”
“Positioned offensively like he is still the player in his mid 20s”??
First time I’ve ever seen that one. Think I’m going to have to process what I assume is inverse-ascending relation between age and batting order a little while before considering a response.
As to what he’s being paid, not sure I see the relevance?
Is Florida State that good or was it more of the case that Notre Dame played that poorly…..Bottom line is that I gave back a few greenbacks tonight…..
I think Jeter will hit .308
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Then it is unlikely he matches Gardner’s OBP. Unless Gardner hits under .270. If Gardner hits above .270 he will eclipse Jeter unless Jeter has a supremely elite best year ever.
“Which is why he should bat 2nd. And Gardner should bat 1st. If both of them on base .380+ the yankees will score many many runs. ”
agreed
“Did 08 not count as a blip?”
what about 2007
What’s so crazy to me is that the same guy who shts all over jeter somehow has the audacity to call our rotation better than that of the red sox despite the fact that two of our guys wouldn’t even pencil into their starting 5.
SAS, did you pick up Nova or Morrow for starters or Ryan Franklin to close?
“What’s so crazy to me is that the same guy who shts all over jeter somehow has the audacity to call our rotation better than that of the red sox despite the fact that two of our guys wouldn’t even pencil into their starting 5.”
Um, Garcia had a better season that Matsuzaka last season, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
“Then it is unlikely he matches Gardner’s OBP. Unless Gardner hits under .270. If Gardner hits above .270 he will eclipse Jeter unless Jeter has a supremely elite best year ever.”
based on projections from Gardner’s one season in the big leagues….yea I guess.
Later guys
The nobody cared concept seemed to be the case everytime va tech or bc played out of conference this year. Hence why the committee properly put them in the nobody cares tournament.
Pat – fsu came out, made 7 of 10 3′s, built a lead, and it was over.
Pat M,
FSU can play D…they gave UNC fits both games they played them. They were just a lot more athletic than ND.
UCONN was #9 in the big east
Two of their guys would not be pencilled into our starting 5.
Again, the assumption that Gardner’s 2010 established the floor of his 2011 and the remainder of his career seems somewhat premature.
Fingers crossed it did, but I think the guy deserves the time to go through the same non-linear growth a lot of players go through, or a couple months to show he won’t require it.
going to bed….you all behave now.
Pat M. March 20th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Is Florida State that good or was it more of the case that Notre Dame played that poorly…..Bottom line is that I gave back a few greenbacks tonight…..
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Not sure that FSU is that good. ND just had no legs under them. Too late into the season. ND isn’t a team of runners….more plodders than anything.
Yep rich, makes sense. Garcia had a better season than matsuzaka last year so clearly he is a better pitcher. I’m shocked boston didn’t spend the few million to grab him and upgrade. Girardi doesn’t know if garcia is better than colon, but u seem to have a spot for him in boston if girardi doesn’t in NY.
““Did va tech and bc prove the committee wrong by losing 2nd round NIT home games to wichita and northwestern”
Maybe a better question- was the Committee right in seeding Pitt, ND, SJU, SYR (who all lost to lower ranked teams) as high as they were?
Does the term over-rated have any meaning to you.
Also very amusing coming from a guy who spent all offseason panning the Jeter signing
Again, the assumption that Gardner’s 2010 established the floor of his 2011 and the remainder of his career seems somewhat premature.
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I’m satisfied with Gardners entire minor league history, which shows his great discipline, and then him applying that discipline at the major league level.
“Again, the assumption that Gardner’s 2010 established the floor of his 2011 and the remainder of his career seems somewhat premature.’
Remainder of his career? Gardner may also turn 36 someday.
“Yep rich, makes sense. Garcia had a better season than matsuzaka last year so clearly he is a better pitcher. I’m shocked boston didn’t spend the few million to grab him and upgrade. Girardi doesn’t know if garcia is better than colon, but u seem to have a spot for him in boston if girardi doesn’t in NY.”
This just in: Boston sucks.
FSU is a very good team. Tonight’s game was no surprise to those of us who have seen them play more than once this year. They beat Duke and really should have beat UNC.
Carlo,
And VCU, which everyone was killing the committee for putting in the tourney, is going to the sweet 16.
And the reason the BE has been down the last couple of years is because of lack of NBA talent. Most of them are system teams. That’s why UConn will probably be the last team standing from the conference.
People need to take the tournament for what it is – a tournament based on luck, bounces, matchups, and late game execution. That’s what makes it fun.
“First time I’ve ever seen that one. Think I’m going to have to process what I assume is inverse-ascending relation between age and batting order a little while before considering a response.”
It has to do with his ability as a baseball player in his mid 20s vs his mid 30s.
“As to what he’s being paid, not sure I see the relevance?”
Because what he is being paid affects how the quality of the team the Yankees can put on the field? Because, you can’t play the Jeter is above criticism card because he had the audacity to age if he insists on being paid like he didn’t age?
Only the Red Sox could return 4 players who pitched worse than most of the Yankees (lackey, wakefield, beckett, matsuzaka) and be considered stronger/best rotation ever
Tar – yes, I am familiar with many terms. Over rated is one of them. Not sure how it is relevent since I didn’t put the teams in their seeds. Would I have cleared space for a single big east team for va tech or bc? Absolutely not. Did clemson, the 4th best ACC team, get dismissed by the 9th or 10th big east entrant? Yep.
Does it really matter where teams get seeded? Those of us who objectively watch college basketball and don’t believe college basketball only lives on an 8 mile road in N Carolina, understand that college basketball is about matchups. This year, given the lack of star talent in the big east, the unfavorable matchups have gone against them. That said, the fact that the big east was the strongest conference in basketball all year has not changed.
Matsuzaka the past 2 years:
213 IP, 4.99 ERA, 1.51 WHIP.
Oh yeah. Would definitely want to pencil that guy into the 5 spot in the Yankee rotation
“Maybe a better question- was the Committee right in seeding Pitt, ND, SJU, SYR (who all lost to lower ranked teams) as high as they were?”
According to their regular season resumes, absolutely.
SJU blew out Duke BTW. That is about as meaningful as a single result in a tournament. It is about who is better that day, unless there is an overwhelming talent disparity.
GB,
I tried to pick Morrow, but he was taken just before my turn. The other 2 I don’t know at all.
“Yep rich, makes sense. Garcia had a better season than matsuzaka last year so clearly he is a better pitcher. I’m shocked boston didn’t spend the few million to grab him and upgrade. Girardi doesn’t know if garcia is better than colon, but u seem to have a spot for him in boston if girardi doesn’t in NY”
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The Red Sox owe Matsuzaka $21 million over the next 2 years. The committed $50 million as a posting fee.
They can’t just cut bait. The financial investment they have in him is far too large.
If you pro-rate the posting fee the Red Sox have $37 million “committed” to Dice the next 2 seasons.
Or $18.5 per year.
And the reason the BE has been down the last couple of years is because of lack of NBA talent. Most of them are system teams. That’s why UConn will probably be the last team standing from the conference.
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Don’t agree with this. UCONN is a young team, starting 3 freshman, led by Kemba, a junior. He’s gone after this year. Unless you’re talking about Memphis/Kentucky, UCONN is no different than any other team with players leaving early. UCONN had the least amount of minutes played on the court in the whole Big East. St Johns had I think 6 seniors.
Yep – I think we are all overwhelmed with evidence that our 5th starter, regardless of who he is, will be better than matsuzaka. So overwhelmed that clowns on this board resort to boston sucks messages at a yankee fan.
“It is about who is better that day, unless there is an overwhelming talent disparity”
You think Coach K or Roy Williams thinks that way.
Top to bottom Big East was a better conference than the ACC. But not as much better as the committee thinks.
Good night all.
SAS, Franklin is the closer in ST. Louis and good for 30+ saves. Nova is going to be Yanks #4 or #5 pitcher. John Axford is another closer, from Milwaukee. Tommy Hanson of Atlanta or Chad Billingsley of the dodgers are two more starters. Who’s your 3rd baseman?
“Yep – I think we are all overwhelmed with evidence that our 5th starter, regardless of who he is, will be better than matsuzaka. So overwhelmed that clowns on this board resort to boston sucks messages at a yankee fan.”
Not anyone, Garcia. Not become, is.
Call me a clown, dude. You’re still wrong on the facts.
The Big East being down has more to do with systems and recruits than it does NBA talent drain. You look around the league and coaches have systems that are disciplined and somewhat hamper individuality. Look at Gtown, Pitt, and ND…..all systems oriented teams who when they land star players (green, blair/young, harandgody) they have largely succesful teams that make tourney runs. That said, its tough to attract big time talent when he knows he will be a system player. That’s why uconn and cuse get recruits ….. There’s a lineage of making stars at both schools and that’s why they are the teams that best perform in the ncaa.
“Yep – I think we are all overwhelmed with evidence that our 5th starter, regardless of who he is, will be better than matsuzaka. So overwhelmed that clowns on this board resort to boston sucks messages at a yankee fan.”
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What evidence do you have that Matsuzaka will be better than any pitcher in the Yankee rotation?
His gyroball?
Yeah, dude, you’re a total fking clown.
The BE always does more with less. Teams like Duke, UNC, Kansas etc. are always loaded with pros or prolific college players. BE teams are solid across the board and have great depth. Depth is what allows them to dominate in the regular season, but it is next to meaningless in a tournament, where it is all about star talent, which the BE has lacked the last two years. They also are system-based, mostly.
Like baseball, the tournament is also about who gets hot. Anyone really think Butler last year or George Mason a couple years ago were really that good? Get a few breaks and you can find yourself in the sweet 16 or elite 8. People infer way too much from a postseason tournament. A mid-major that gets hot from 3 can ruin brackets. The 11th seeded team from the BE is now one of two teams standing from the conference.
We already had the discussion about Va Tech and BC and it was proven that neither team had a right to be in the tourney based on the 30 games they played prior to it. Clemson was a tweaner, they were eliminated by the 2nd worst big east team in the tourney. I really don’t know why more ACC teams should have gotten in based on unc and duke winning two games each and fsu winning 3.
“Yeah, dude, you’re a total fking clown.”
I’d act the same way if I knew as little as you do.
GB,
Thanks. I wanted Billingsley also, but I am sure he has been taken. I know about Nova, but are you sure he is on the Big Club because he may be available, and I would be happy with him. The others I am noting for the morning. I am sure I need a starter. The screen had a black background and like blue lettering…very hard for me to read.
Yep, I believe his gyroball gives him an edge over garcia, who does not have a gyroball to speak of.
Depth is what allows them to dominate in the regular season, but it is next to meaningless in a tournament, where it is all about star talent, which the BE has lacked the last two years. They also are system-based, mostly.
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2 years huh?
You should print ur stuff sometime rich and read it to urself in the mirror.
“Yep, I believe his gyroball gives him an edge over garcia, who does not have a gyroball to speak of.”
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Translation: “I have no evidence.”
Jerkface,
Thanks for that. I just was wondering if Gardner could be a true leadoff hitter, not just a platoon leadoff player.
I’m adverse to platoon lineups, but I guess Gardner leading off against righties is better than batting 8th or 9th everyday.
“It has to do with his ability as a baseball player in his mid 20s vs his mid 30s.”
As the 2011 Yankees will never play another version of themselves, Derek Jeter will never be in competition from his 2000-self.
Jeter shouldn’t get demerits because he may not be the 1999-2000 version of himself anymore.
“Because what he is being paid affects how the quality of the team the Yankees can put on the field? Because, you can’t play the Jeter is above criticism card because he had the audacity to age if he insists on being paid like he didn’t age?”
You’d have an astute point had I actually said Jeter was “above criticism”, or if I even implied it.
The space between what I wrote and the version of that you’ve assumed I meant is vast.
Let me be clear. I think Jeter is often the target of bulls–t criticism.
To whit…
I’m a dyed-in-the-wool, card-carrying free market zealot. Jeter can’t “insist” on being paid anything. He can only ask. Takes a voluntary partner to enter into a contractual agreement.
And none of us, me included, have ever looked into the NY Yankees books. To suggest we know value of Derek Jeter to the organization using pure statistical/salary calculations is just presumptuous.
SAS, Nova is probably 95% sure. Randy Wolf (Milwaukee) and Brett Cecil (Toronto) are 2 more good wins starters…not a lot of strikeouts, though.
Translation – this is a silly discussion predicated on one realistic yankee fan saying bostons rotation is better than ours and two overly optimistic yankee fans saying freddie garcia, based on one healthy season, is better than dice k. As if that solves the argument.
“Translation – this is a silly discussion predicated on one realistic yankee fan saying bostons rotation is better than ours and two overly optimistic yankee fans saying freddie garcia, based on one healthy season, is better than dice k. As if that solves the argument.”
No, it’s far more simple. Facts mean nothing to you, and you’re too deferential to the big bad Sawz. Because they never make mistakes!
Jackson – I assume u are saying way longer than 2 years with your “2 years?” Comment. U do recall the big east had 3 teams in the elite 8 and 2 in the final four just two seasons ago, correct?
“Translation – this is a silly discussion predicated on one realistic yankee fan saying bostons rotation is better than ours and two overly optimistic yankee fans saying freddie garcia, based on one healthy season, is better than dice k. As if that solves the argument.”
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So Garcia has been better than Matsuzaka for the past 2 seasons, but it is optimistic to say he will be better for a 3rd straight season?
This is hilarious.
Sorry, I think maybe they even had 4 in the elite 8. Nova, pitt, lville, and uconn.
“Jeter shouldn’t get demerits because he may not be the 1999-2000 version of himself anymore.
Jeter shouldn’t get demerits because he may not be the 1999-2000 version of himself anymore. ”
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Has nothing to do with the conversation.
“You’d have an astute point had I actually said Jeter was “above criticism”, or if I even implied it.”
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Then what was the point of responding to blake’s comments about bashing Jeter, with Jeter had the “audacity” to reach his mid 30s.
“That just can’t be tolerated.”
Seems pretty obvious to me that is exactly what you meant.
LGY – tell u what, check with me in July and let’s see how Matsuzaka and Garcia are performing. I’ll throw it on my bberry calendar now to touch base with you around July 15. Its seems so obvious you’ll be right so I’m sure I’ll just be congratulating you on a job well done, but let’s check in nonetheless.
“You should print ur stuff sometime rich and read it to urself in the mirror.”
I always know when someone is losing an argument when they get personal rather than present a factual rebuttal.
What’s with the personal attacks? So someone said Boston’s rotation is better. And others disagreed. This argument/debate can’t be settled until the end of the season anyway.
But to swear at others is going too far.
“LGY – tell u what, check with me in July and let’s see how Matsuzaka and Garcia are performing. I’ll throw it on my bberry calendar now to touch base with you around July 15. Its seems so obvious you’ll be right so I’m sure I’ll just be congratulating you on a job well done, but let’s check in nonetheless.”
Translation: Until the facts support my unsupportable contention, don’t bother me with facts.
Carlo – correct
Rich – the fact that u take message boards as seriously as you do to the point where u think arguments are won or lost alerts me of something as well.
Speaking generally, I would say someone with that type of message board vigor is getting smoked in the game of life. That is of course speaking very broadly however.
“LGY – tell u what, check with me in July and let’s see how Matsuzaka and Garcia are performing. I’ll throw it on my bberry calendar now to touch base with you around July 15. Its seems so obvious you’ll be right so I’m sure I’ll just be congratulating you on a job well done, but let’s check in nonetheless.”
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Well it is pretty pointless to have this blog, if we just have to wait and see to have every discussion.
You literally have no listed a single reason for why Matsuzaka is better.
Either have nothing to say, are backtracking, and can’t admit the failure in that or you are just a Red Sox fan trolling.
Your Matsuzaka comments are seriously at the level of a Ruby Tuesday comment.
“Yet, he is being paid and positioned offensively like he is still the player in his mid 20s.”
“Jeter shouldn’t get demerits because he may not be the 1999-2000 version of himself anymore.
“Has nothing to do with the conversation.”
Jeter is not being “positioned” because the Yankees thing he’s still the mid-20′s Jeter.
He is being positioned because entering the 2010 season he WAS the best known option available to the Yankees, and the Yankees organization may not be convinced he still isn’t at the beginning of the 2011 season, for reasons I’ve already stated.
The discussion is Jeter vs. Gardner, not Jeter 2011 versus Jeter 2000.
In other words, has everything to do with the discussion
I’m sorry if I can’t present you guys with 2011 statistics right now. When I can, we will be able to declare the “winner” and the “loser” of this enormous message board brawl.
GB,
Wolf I know is gone and I will check on Cecil.
I appreciate your help more than you know.
“The discussion is Jeter vs. Gardner, not Jeter 2011 versus Jeter 2000.”
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I know, which is why I have no idea why you keep mentioning past years.
“Rich – the fact that u take message boards as seriously as you do to the point where u think arguments are won or lost alerts me of something as well.
Speaking generally, I would say someone with that type of message board vigor is getting smoked in the game of life. That is of course speaking very broadly however.”
Facts continue to fail you, I see.
I take things too seriously, yet I have parried your insults, vulgarity, and baseless assessments of my social status with humor.
Project much?
What makes Matsuzaka better than Garcia?
How many rings does Gardner have compared to Jeter?
How many hits?
How many runs scored?
How many WS MVPs?
Let’s not compare Brett Gardner to Jeter, it is silly.
Then what was the point of responding to blake’s comments about bashing Jeter, with Jeter had the “audacity” to reach his mid 30s.
“That just can’t be tolerated.”
Seems pretty obvious to me that is exactly what you meant.
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Which is part of the problem. It’s spelled out in front of you, and you don’t even see it.
I responded (as you correctly recall) to Blake’s comment about people “bashing” Jeter, which I think it clearly understood as a very specific kind of “criticism”.
Do you criticize Jeter, LGY, or do you bash Jeter?
If YOU distinguish the difference, you just wasted both of our time.
“What makes Matsuzaka better than Garcia?”
He throws a gyroball.
Or LGY – here’s a 3rd scenario. I have a job, wake up early actually, happen to be laying in bed now perusing my bberry, and don’t feel like digging up stats to waste my time with some mopes who I can find here 24/7. Unlike some of the meatiestheads on this board, I personally don’t care to have long drawn out unwinnable arguments that extend over months. I would actually prefer to have civil discussions, which are admitedly nearly impossible to come by here given the personel.
I suspect the Sox would swap the two if they could. He’s been the proverbial box o’ chocolates for them.
“LGY – tell u what, check with me in July and let’s see how Matsuzaka and Garcia are performing. ”
Carlo, I’m not one to usually agree with LGY and co. but in this case, they’re right.
You can’t smugly imply that your predictions will come to pass in 4 months and think that has value in debate.
Nope – don’t project at all. Now go gettem big fella.
Carlos says:
“I would actually prefer to have civil discussions,”
Yet before that he said:
“So overwhelmed that clowns on this board resort to boston sucks messages at a yankee fan.”
“Yeah, dude, you’re a total fking clown”
You can’t make this stuff up.
“Nope – don’t project at all. Now go gettem big fella.”
You’re not fooling me.
Stuckey – I’m not smugly implying anything other than my opinion that I would take bostons rotation over ours and that I like their bottom of the rotation better than ours, including dice k. As I said, being on my bberry and having a job that requires me to wake up, I can’t and don’t care to simply start googling stats that suit my argument.
“Or LGY – here’s a 3rd scenario. I have a job, wake up early actually, happen to be laying in bed now perusing my bberry, and don’t feel like digging up stats to waste my time with some mopes who I can find here 24/7. Unlike some of the meatiestheads on this board, I personally don’t care to have long drawn out unwinnable arguments that extend over months. I would actually prefer to have civil discussions, which are admitedly nearly impossible to come by here given the personel.”
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So instead, YOU have decided to spend hours repeating the same line that Matsuzaka is better than Garcia and anyone who disagrees with you gets blasted with personal insults?
Wow! This just keeps getting better!
I mean, come on. Multiple people on this board have attempted to engage you in a civil discussion on this issue. Yet, you have decided to resort to personal insults instead. Yet, you are complaining about the lack of civil discussion. This is really incredible.
Where are WCYF & Brad when you need them?
Carlo, you seem to think you knowsomething that the rest of here don’t about the RS rotatio
Stop being defensive (and offensive) and just present one single fact or premise to support your statement.
Or else just shut up about it.
Stuckey – do u really think discussions with the lgy and rich types are debates?
My first experience with lgy was me saying boston would complete the gonzalez trade and not sign the extension till after spring training to save on luxury tax for payroll purposes this year. He then called me a conspiracy theorist and an idiot. This was my first run in with this web all star. Oh, and by the way, he never apologized or admitted his ignorance.
“He then called me a conspiracy theorist and an idiot. This was my first run in with this web all star. Oh, and by the way, he never apologized or admitted his ignorance.”
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The facts really do not matter at all to you, huh?
“I know, which is why I have no idea why you keep mentioning past years.”
Not sure that I have, other than to say body of work counts.
But if understand you correctly and believe 2010 should carry the majority of weight, I’d argue you’re limiting yourself to 2011 line-up championing, and in addition to advocating Garner on top, your should be arguing for more premium line-up spots for Cano and Swisher, the players with the 2 highest OPS on the team in 2010.
Swisher slugged and got on base more than A-Rod.
Should he hit 4th? Move A-Rod down to 2nd and Cano third?
“He then called me a conspiracy theorist and an idiot. ”
At least he didn’t call you a bleepin’ clown.
Ok fellas. Once and for all. I don’t have time to get up and start compiling stats to prove my thesis that bostons rotation is better. I know, outside of this board, my view is held as accurate, but that proves nothing. So, here’s what I plan to do. In 5 hours I will wake up for work. Then I will get some stuff done and shortly after the market opens I will return to this board and I will statistically go through my thesis that boston has a better rotation that us.
Until then, I will say no more.
I can’t believe the Red Sox have 5 aces
Lgy – what facts? U gonna claim that’s not what happened? Humor me another time. I’m going to bed.
I demand an apology from Carlo.
He falsely accused me of being the one to call him a conspiracy theorist and an idiot!
2 months from now, I will demand an apology again for this, so get ready
This whole discussion might hinge on which blackberry OS Carlo is using.
LoHud doesn’t work as well on some as it does on others.
And I’m not even considering whether or not he’s using an old one with sticky trackball.
Carlo,
Be that as it may or may not, my comment stands.
And now you’ve started to criticize people for holding discussions in a discussion forum, implying I guess that you don’t have the time to engage in detailed discussion is somehow a credit to you and reflects badly on those who do.
I’d be a hypocrite if I let that pass.
Carlo,
IMO you don’t need to go through the trouble. It’s your opinion, and you have the right to it. But we have the right to be suspect of Boston’s rotation, too.
It’s nothing serious. And certainly not worth the trouble of writing a thesis.
Matsuzaka, Lackey, Beckett, and Wakefield combined for this last year:
636.1 IP 4.95 ERA 1.41 WHIP 9.5 H/9 1 HR/9 3.21 BB/9 6.9 SO/9
M – I think bostons rotation is very suspect. Beckett is no bargain, lackey is lackey, dice k is always an adventure……buckholz and lester are our sabathia and hughes. My point is, I’ll take the sum of beckett, lackey, and dice k over the sum of burnett, nova, and garcia any day.
Now we can get all the beckett stinks and etc etc etc……and I sure hope he does…but track records tell me my assertion is spot on.
No stuckey, I said tonight I do not have time.
but track records tell me my assertion is spot on.*
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*track record does not include 2010, career stats, or other things which prove this assertion spot off
Carlo
To put it in terms that a stock trader should understand, you should have put a stop-loss on this discussion about an hour ago.
Jerkface – while ur at it, pls provide the 3 and 5 year stats, as u did the 2010 stats for that boston trio versus the garcia/burnett/nova trio. Pls only include nova’s mlb experience. Since I’m spot off, I’m sure u have the details at ur immediate disposal.
Burnett & Dice are similar. Box-o-chocolates.
Garcia & Lackey are similar. Horses.
Nova is better than Beckett in their present incarnations.
I also like our bullpen. And we have better pitchers in the farm should we need them in case of injuries.
“No stuckey, I said tonight I do not have time.”
“GY – tell u what, check with me in July and let’s see how Matsuzaka and Garcia are performing. ”
Then this was unnecessary.
Rich – let’s just forget addressing each other. Think its easier that way. Have a nice night and a great posting career. I wish you all the best in your typing.
M – ur selectively pairing guys to make it similar. Of course our pen is better and I think our offense is better. Its the starting pitching that I believe is where we fall short.
For everyone who finds me to be so off base. Boston has an o/u of 96 versus ours of 91. I have to assume u are all taking 2nd and 3rd mortgages to pount NYY over and Boston under, right?
Spoiler alert, the past 2 years Daisuke and Wakefield both have 5 ERAs, Garcia and Nova have 4.5 ERA. And Beckett and Burnett are about equal.
Again stuckey, I said I didn’t have time/the means (computer) to look up and post stats tonight. I stated I will do so tomorrow late morning
For everyone who finds me to be so off base. Boston has an o/u of 96 versus ours of 91. I have to assume u are all taking 2nd and 3rd mortgages to pount NYY over and Boston under, right?
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Appeal to authority? (and of all of them to appeal to, why Vegas? They create betting lines to generate action on both sides)
Carlo
I’ll post what I want, when I want, to whom I want.
Besides, your posts are too much fun to ignore.
Right – they appeal to both sides, so sharps, like you, jerkface, should see the weakness in the lines here and just rip their faces off this season, right?
I think I hurt Carlo’s feelings.
I only bet on sure things.
And even if Bostons rotation is bad, as I think it will be, other things may conspire to beat an over/under line.
The yankees won 95 games with a terrible rotation last year.
Wakefield? Why are we comparing bostons 6th starter to our 4/5 starters?
Rich – ur an audience of one pal.
Nah – to buy into that I would have to believe that guys like Phelps and Noesi are projectable ML starters…….and I don’t think either are more than back end fringe guys right now.
With an injury, boston goes to wakefield. Their situation isn’t so grim and its pathetic to sit here and pretend like injury is what they need to be worried about.
Carlo
You really need to face the fact that reality is not what you wish it to be.
Carlo. I have no horse in this race. I’d be amused by seeing someone else take it to guys you’re engaged with, but you just aren’t.
I happen to think some of the Boston guys like Beckett especially are living off reputation. Beckett is a big guy who can throw hard and was very, very good in the postseason in the past.
I perfectly understand how people are optimistic about him putting a big year together eventually. People will always be looking for Matsuzaka to put it together, and Lackey is solid enough to look very attractive as a 4, but requires Beckett actually having to perform like a top of the rotation guy to allow him that wiggle room.
I think Boston’s rotation look good more by reputation than merit.
Colon obviously didn’t pitch in 2010 but his 09 and 08 stats are better than Wakefields.
Stuckey don’t hold grudges.
Its unbecoming.
I am no sharp but I’m taking the Boston under 96.5 and the Yankees over 91.5.
And I plan to enjoy the use of my kidneys as much as possible before October, just in case I’m wrong.
Of course he only pitched 100 innings in those years, but we’re apparently not counting inevitable injury time (which is a severe problem when you look at the innings pitched by Lackey, Beckett, Wakefield, and Matsuzaka the last few years, so its very convenient to ignore them)
Actually, the rotations are very close in sum. How you think they will do depends on if you think Nova will pitch well (I do) and Garcia giving something close to what he did last year (not real positive on this, but I think he can)
I think AJ does better. Hughes as good or slightly better than last season.
They don’t have to outperform other rotations. There is no rotation champion. They just need to keep the team in games. The bullpen and lineup can make up for any perceived deficiencies.
If the Yankees line is 91.5 games? You gotta pound that. Seriously.
Facts. How convenient they are.
The Other Phil December 5th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
“If an unrealistic conspiracy nut on the internet can connect the dots, MLB will be able to as well.”
The only question left to answer though, am I still a web all star even though I didn’t call you a conspiracy nut Carlo???
Stuckey – In the AM tomorrow, when I have a computer at my disposal, I will parcel through the information I have requested here, and did not receive, on my own, and we’ll see where we end up. I think many folks on this board, myself included at times, would be laughed out of their seats if they ever presented their views to actual baseball people such as managers or general managers. I think this is a situation where I would not be the one being mocked and I am sure the data is there to support my case in the morning.
“There is no rotation champion.”
Actually, this Yanks/Sox thing is all a smokescreen, the real contest is between the Yanks’ and Twins’ starter ERAs.
Damn you Brian Cashman!
(the Yanks line was 91.5 at my sportsbook this morning, it was at 92.5 at vegasinsider.com. So it’s somewhere in that range depending where you place your wager.)
Yes M – I like the over 91.5 as well. Not for the rotation but because I think the offense and pen is good enough to win 94+ regular season games. I think Boston does as well.
Nick – I got it at 92 at the mirage last weekend.
LGY – u care to share the rest of that saturday mornings chat or should I just dig that up tomorrow as well? Seems to me you are pretty staunch in your view that you did/said nothing offensive. That correct?
Sheesh.
How much longer do I have to wait for this web all star Carlo to apologize to me?
“That correct”
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That is correct.
And just to top it off, I’ll post this. I am such a gentlemen that even after having a civil discussion with you on that day, when I realized I was wrong I posted this
LGY December 5th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
“Carlo
So anyway sorry for that. I guess I had my Pinstripe Glasses on this morning
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Oh LGY, you really shouldn’t get personal, its so unbecoming of a true Websman, or Webstar, like urself. Don’t be so petty, its beneath you.
Discussion was civil because I allowed it to be civil despite u treating me like some goon. That discussion was early afternoon. I must have missed ur 9pm apology. My bad.
“I think many folks on this board, myself included at times, would be laughed out of their seats if they ever presented their views to actual baseball people such as managers or general managers.”
’cause the judgments of managers and GMs are uniformly unassailable.
No one knows more than you, Carlo, no one.
# Carlo December 5th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
LGY – no worries man. I get infuriated as well ahen i see things break right for the sox. have a good night.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....c-kingdom/
Man, I am so mean in this thread to Carlo. Can’t believe how poorly I spoke to him
I just went through that whole thread and LGY discussed things very reasonably and never called Carlo a conspiracy theorist
Maybe I did see it then and maybe over time I just realized u were the guy I thought u were when u started in on me for no reason. Something we have yet to see printed here tonight ironically. What were u apologizing for?
Rich – gms are dumb, managers are dumb, I am dumb…..ur opinion is the only opinion of value. We get it.
LGY – what did u apologize for then?
Why are the GMs and Managers automatically going to side with you? I bet if you took my argument to the GMs and Managers they would side with me.
Because I based my entire argument on something I interpreted wrong in the CBA.
I was apologizing for debating something with you that you were definitely right all along on.
Carlo
No one can say that you’re posts aren’t original.
Well, they could, but hey, that’s only if facts are matter.
Remember when it looked like the deal was dead for a little while on that fateful December 5th?
“Nick in SF December 5th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
I cannot join in the celenratory [sick!!!] gloating yet.
Maybe the deal is dead.
Maybe the deal has even been buried.
But if you ever saw the movie “Carrie” then you know that’s not always the end of the story.”
Jerkface – in ur eyes, if u took any of ur arguments to anyone, they’d take ur side, until the don’t, then they are just wrong.
Jerkface – in ur eyes, if u took any of ur arguments to anyone, they’d take ur side, until the don’t, then they are just wrong.
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The same to you? ???
“Maybe I did see it then and maybe over time I just realized u were the guy I thought u were when u started in on me for no reason.”
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I do have to add on thing.
It is hilarious that you added these maybe qualifiers in there when I showed you in fact you did see it and showed you exactly who did call you a conspiracy nut.
But, yeah maybe those things happened even though they definitely did, maybe.
Look, if I want to say my opinion is the same as every GM and manager in baseball, of course it is, but if you try to say it, its only because you just wanna be right all the time.
I’m out. GN.
Jeter – .310: Under
Arod – 35 HRs: Over
Teixeira – .250 on May 1st: Over
Burnett – 13 wins: Over
Swisher .280: Over
Cano – .320: Over
Posada – 300 PA: Over
Granderson .240 vs lefties: Over
Gardner – .375 OBP: Over
Hughes – 4.00 ERA: Over
Nova – 10 wins: Over
Garcia – 15 starts: Over
Soriano – 3.00 ERA: Under
Alright, this web all star can only take so much abuse and needs some sleep.
Hopefully tomorrow I am not treated like some goon.
Maybe.
Sometimes I like to read back through random lohud posts. It can be fun, and illuminating!
I wish Chip were here. Where did he go?
Hopefully people can show LGY the respect he deserves when he awakes and comes to this board tomorrow. The guy is a first class stud poster, he needs to be shown respect and under no curcumstances, should he be treated like a goon.
Everyone do your best tomorrow when he comes back.
Jerkface -i have no problen admitting fault. So no, the question doesn’t apply to me.
The “maybe”s were softeners. That was my polite way of saying, you annoyed me that day and were totally wrong, apologized, but certainly made me aware of ur screen name. As such, I would real ur posts, for the most part formulated an opinion from doing so, and recognized u are the same guy I thought u were the time my path first crossed with yours.
i have no problen admitting fault. So no, the question doesn’t apply to me.
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You have such a no problem that you back up your arguments with: WELL ESTABLISHED BASEBALL PEOPLE AGREE WITH ME SO THERE ?
Carlo Allow me to take the heat off of you. Who’s hotter, Eric Chavez or Freddy Garcia? Im gonna have to go with Chavez, as he closely resembled the Fed Express, Roger Federer! Fed always makes me horny! Fed’s wife has got too chubby a face for me, even for she had the Fed twins!
*even before she had the Fed twins
If this is still about Dice-K, not sure many GMs would take that side.
And the cow looked especially round. She looked like a completely different person, though she looks better. Hair, sunglasses? Anyway, ze Fed can stop talking about himself and how he iz like ze superman.
This place needs a sheriff.
Good morning, morning people!
Lift with your legs, not your back.
Joeman -
Now that’s very sound advice.
morning all! nice to see jesus heating up just in time!
Good morning all.
Hope you’re all over the stress of the draft
Fran -
Good morning.
Well, I’m bummed that I got a player (Morales) that I specifically did not want (computer choice). The one thing I knew going in was my injury report. And he’s starting the season on the 15-day DL. Now I just have to decide whether to ignore that little nugget or not.
Did I tell you I figured out why the computer froze? I have time capsule backing up by computers and I shut if off on the computer I was using but didn’t think to shut it off on the laptop!!! so in the middle of the draft my laptop started to backup and it slows everything else down. As soon as I realized that, I stopped the backup, but I lost two rounds in the draft. Oh, well. Live and learn!
Sometimes the BS in here is so heavy that even if you lift with your legs your gonna get hurt.
It’s better to learn to duck- quickly.
That’s a better use of your legs IMO.
Not that it matters but I think a pack of hayenas can be kinder to each other than what I see going on in here at times.
It’s primal scream therapy for some who have escaped from somewhere.
Carlo is back…..up and ready to present the stats required to take this argument versus half the board. I’m off a solid 3 hours of sleep so forgive me if I need a few extra minutes to gather my resources for my formal presentation.
And if there were an award for screwing yourself into the ground there are some who would own 1st place trophies.
Lot’s of luck with that.
Doreen,
Glad that there was nothing wrong with the computer.
You can put Morales on the bench for the 1st few weeks so you don’t loose him, or put him in the DL spot, or drop him and pick up another player. You have time to decide.
MTU,
good morning. Have you already milked the cows and fed the chickens this morning?
Blake-
Since people sometimes refuse to just ignore the people who annoy them by skipping posts this place really could use an “ignore” button.
Bad.
i was away most of yesterday, did it get particularly ugly yesterday or just another regular ugly day?
the game post the day before yesterday might have been the worst i’ve seen
Y’s-
I just wish people would be more civil with each other when they disagree.
There are way too many personal vendettas, name calling, etc.
It has driven away some of our better posters and that’s a shame.
We really could use an “ignore” feature.
Skipping posts just doesn’t seem to work for some.
screw your mtu i HATE YOU and if i want to freakin disagree and call someone’s mother a euphemism for a wild boar, i’ll do that and hahahahahaha you cant igonore me!!!!!!
sorry i got carred away reading the overnight posts…
andrew miller sure can throw “perfect innings’ in the bp but when he got in the game yesterday with real hitters it didnt go so well.
from ‘extra bases blog’:
“In came Andrew Miller and the game got out of hand.
A walk and three straight soft singes scored two runs. He then walked No. 9 hitter Tyler Greene to force in another. Jon Jay then drilled a two-run single into left. Miller had to be taken out and now Scott Atchison is in.
Obviously Miller’s control issues will not be solved overnight”
6 er without recording an out!!!!!
….perfect!
All part of the Sox pitching depth.
It’s to die for.
I’m not giving Nova as better than Beckett until he does it first for a whole season. I don’t think Dice K is awful either – he had some very good games last year – but he’s certainly a #5 and no better in that rotation. I’m not sure why everyone assumes that AJ will be better, but Lackey wont? Lackey’s a better pitcher than AJ.
good morning all
I haven’t had time to read the blog for a few days, sounds like its not worth looking back!
The draft was a lot of fun, and I know what to do better next time. I didn’t like the back to back picks, it was too stressful, but I liked getting to pick first! I really wanted Robbie!
i expect lackey, aj and beckett all to be better than last season. the socks may have a slight edge in starters, but the yankees have much better depth overall.
I present 6 pitchers. Their names will be concealed for the purpose of this analysis: I urge each of you; Jerkface, LGY, M, Stuckey99, and Dionysius Thelxinoe, to rank each of these 3 hurlers in order, 1 through 6.
I know many of you will do your best to identify the names of each pitchers and then tweak your rankings accordingly, so I’ll just throw it out there and acknowledge I expect it to happen. Too much web cred riding here to botch this exercise.
Last 3 Years
Pitcher 1: 615 innings, 608 hits, 261 walks, 1.41 whip, 317 ER, 4.64 ERA, 571 K, 2.19 K/BB, 41-34 record
Pitcher 2: 228 innings, 238 hits, 63 walks, 1.38 whip, 115 ER, 4.54 ERA, 138 K, 2.19 K/BB, 16-11 record
Pitcher 3: 42 innings, 44 hits, 17 walks, 1.45 whip, 21 ER, 4.50 ERA, 26 K, 1.53 K/BB, 1-2 record
Group 1 Totals: 885 innings, 890 hits, 341 walks, 1.39 whip, 453 ER, 4.61 ERA, 735 K, 2.16 K/BB, 58-47 record
Group 2 to come shortly.
I think the quality of the rotations is closer than most think and I hardly think the Sox’s rotation is full of HOFers, but if they have ? to answer, so do we
When you’re trying to get thru a 162 game season depth is muy importante.
Looking forward to seeing “El prodigio” pitch tonite.
One achilles heel the Sux have is their lack of pitching depth at starter.
We are way better prepared in that regard.
If one of their frontline guys goes down for an extended period they could be hurtin’.
Beckett, Dice-K, and even Lackey are at risk.
But hey, who cares ? That’s their problem.
could be a very long time we’ll be watching lester and buckholz vs. phil , manny and dellin b.
Carlo
First you have to ex
Y’s-
Let’s hope so.
Time for our harvest to come in.
Should be interesting.
If Banuelos stays healthy he’s gonna be awesome.
Looking for him to be a part of the rotation next season.
Carlo
First you have to explain why you chose a 3 year sample.
before carlo gets too far into this excersize, isnt comparing the last 3 seasons of lester, bucholz and phil someowhat misleading?
so today is the big “world series preview” socks vs. phillies.
could it be that the real WS preview would be the two teams that smoked them both yesterday?
“before carlo gets too far into this excersize, isnt comparing the last 3 seasons of lester, bucholz and phil someowhat misleading?”
Certainly is with Lester. Maybe not so much with Buchholtz, who like Hughes, never pitched a full season as an MLB starter til last year.
You guys battle out who has the better rotation with your numbers.
I’ll just wait to see what happens on the field.
“could it be that the real WS preview would be the two teams that smoked them both yesterday?”
No
Hi LGY! How was Jamaica, mon?
Last 3 Years
Pitcher 1: 514.33 innings, 522 hits, 134 walks, 1.27 whip, 251 ER, 4.39 ERA, 487 K, 3.63 K/BB, 35-22 record
Pitcher 2: 554.66 innings, 571 hits, 159 walks, 1.32 whip, 248 ER, 4.02 ERA, 425 K, 2.67 K/BB, 37-24 record
Pitcher 3: 380.66 innings, 346 hits, 198 walks, 1.43 whip, 172 ER, 4.07 ERA, 341 K, 1.72 K/BB, 31-15 record
Group 2 Totals: 1,449.66 innings, 1,439 hits, 491 walks, 1.33 whip, 671 ER, 4.16 ERA, 1,253 K, 2.55 K/BB, 103-61 record
Kate-
Did LGY visit Queens recently ?
Its a statistical battle Royale!
# Ys Guy March 21st, 2011 at 8:39 am
before carlo gets too far into this excersize, isnt comparing the last 3 seasons of lester, bucholz and phil someowhat misleading?
——————none of the 3 pitchers you mention are included in my analysis.
i’d say the socks batting saltalamaccia cleanup today (and lowrie 6th) vs. doc kinda takes the ‘WS Preview” aspect down a few notches.
# MTU March 21st, 2011 at 8:43 am
You guys battle out who has the better rotation with your numbers.
I’ll just wait to see what happens on the field.
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Im rooting against my own argument when the games are played on the field.
Why is it snowing here this morning?
It was great. Unfortunately though Trisha never revealed the location of her naked Jamaican friends
Blake-
Yup.
And in the cyberworld we all know that’s all that matters.
We’re looking at a potential Mathematical Armageddon.
A wasteland after the numbers wars.
Run for your life.
i laughed when i saw it changing over to snow, but now its starting to accumulate
# LGY March 21st, 2011 at 8:38 am
Carlo
First you have to explain why you chose a 3 year sample.
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I chose a 3 year sample to minimize the impact of aberrations created by small sample sizes. As such, I am using the 3 most recent years to demonstrate what can be expected of the 6 men in my sample.
Arguments to my analysis may include: 2008 stats aren’t as meaningful as 2010 stats
Guys with no track record are tough to quantify in any way
Guys who were injured skew the numbers and projecting injury is difficult to do
Bottom line is, I took a lot of heat last night saying i had no facts…..these are my facts, now that I have had time to put them together. I am looking for answers now. Which batch would you rather have?
Just be warned ….LGY will use sabertoothmetics and anything else at his disposal to argue his case.
Carlo-
I’m hoping that Fate will somehow intervene to save the Yankees.
I chose a 3 year sample to minimize the impact of aberrations created by small sample sizes.
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You mean like Dice K pitching to a sub 3 era 3 years ago?
You took a lot of heat last night for saying Dice is better than Garcia or Nova and I am still not seeing you support that claim
MTU March 21st, 2011 at 8:55 am
Carlo-
I’m hoping that Fate will somehow intervene to save the Yankees.
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this is why arguments on this board serve no purpose. The minute anyone mentions an area of weakness about the yankees or a concern, then they are painted as some huge pollyanna who believes the sky is falling.
No where have i said that. no where have i said i am worried about not making the playoffs or not competing for the division. its why this board has the reputation it does, there is nothing logical about the discussions, they are all circular and serve only one purpose, to fuel arguments.
New, Non-mathematical, empirical-based, gut-check thread.
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that past is prologue
Dice K isn’t better than anybody…..he’s awful
Carlo-
You are entitled to your opinion just like anyone else.
I was not attacking you as much as trying to lighten the mood a bit.
I have nothing against seeing opposing POV’s.
It makes for good discussion.
Just don’t like to see it get personal is all. That sometimes happens.
It shouldn’t.
# LGY March 21st, 2011 at 8:58 am
I chose a 3 year sample to minimize the impact of aberrations created by small sample sizes.
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You mean like Dice K pitching to a sub 3 era 3 years ago?
You took a lot of heat last night for saying Dice is better than Garcia or Nova and I am still not seeing you support that claim
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Me using a 3 year sample also allowed me to get Burnetts 2008 in the numbers so it works both ways. The overall premise of my argument was the Bostons rotation is better top to bottom. Whether Dice K was better than Freddie Garcia in 2010 is a complete coin flip.
Both threw 150-160 innings
Dice K WHIP 1.37, Garcia WHIP 1.38
Dice K ERA 4.69; Garcia ERA 4.64
Do you really see a clear edge here….in this one year sample you think we should use>?
Definition of POLLYANNA
: a person characterized by irrepressible optimism and a tendency to find good in everything
a pollyanna who always thinks the sky is falling….is she bipolar?
nttawrt!
Carlo, ok those are the facts you finally present to support your contention last night. Stats … that’s fine for you. Btw, I can tell just by looking who’s who, I don’t need to look it up.
For me, stats are just another factor, to be judged in the context of WHAT I SEE. You see, I happen to follow these teams closely.
Just some of what stats don’t (and can’t) reveal:
– Beckett is a shell of his former self and has a propensity for breaking down (esp. his back)
– Wakefield’s advanced age
– Dice-K’s frequent short stints, which places extra burden on their bullpen.
Last night I asked you to provide facts. You provided stats, which is ok, but not the be-all, end-all.
I’ve provided you with some equally important facts, each of which happens to be likely to continue into 2011.
Maybe it’s just a matter of preferences and rooting interest. And I’m a Yankees fan. So …….. I think we’re done here.
Btw, Carlo, don’t take it personal, but I suggest you look up the meanings of circular argument and Pollyanna.
How about those victorious ACC teams, and the not so great Big East teams going down in flames.
MTU -
Good morning. Did you go hiking this weekend?
Back in a bit – puppies need a walk.
Are we skipping the 5th starter for the 4/5 Minny game?