Pregame notes: Gardner today, Jones tomorrow
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 21, 2011 
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I’m writing this post on my phone in the clubhouse so that I can get on the road quickly. A night game in Port Charlotte is no good. No good at all.
Turns out; the decision to bring Brett Gardner on this trip actually has more to do with Andruw Jones than anything to do with the lineup. The Yankees are facing lefties the next couple of days and Joe Girardi wants Jones in those lineups.
To get Jones in the outfield the next two days, Gardner will take the day off tomorrow and Curtis Granderson will be off on Wednesday.
A few more quick notes.
– Girardi said he’ll probably stick with this lineup whenever Gardner and Derek Jeter play together the next few days. That’s because the Yankees have a full season to inform their thoughts on Jeter in the leadoff spot. They’re using spring training to look at this version of the lineup.
– Pedro Feliciano threw a 25-pitch bullpen and said he felt good. Freddy Garcia also threw a side.
– Joba Chamberlain will pitch in tomorrow’s game in Sarasota. “You feel better (about Chamberlain) than you did a week ago,” Girardi said.
– Mariano Rivera pitched at the minor league complex today. Jones also played down there to get at bats.
– Greg Golson took regular batting practice this afternoon. He was a late addition to tomorrow’s travel roster and might play if he feels good tomorrow morning.
– Mark Teixeira is not making today’s trip, but he’s healthy and will be on the road tomorrow.
– Off the bench: C Austin Romine, 1B Brandon Laird, 2B Kevin Russo, SS Doug Bernier, 3B Jorge Vazquez, LF Jordan Parraz, CF Melky Mesa, no backup listed for RF.
– Out of the bullpen: Manny Banuelos, Romulo Sanchez, Steve Garrison, Eric Wordekemper, Ryan Pope, Cory Arbiso and Pat Venditte.
– Pretty sure Arbiso’s first name is Cory. Never met him and don’t have a media guide down here with me, but I think that’s right. I’m also quite sure it won’t matter. He’s making the trip as a backup.
Repost:
Mad Dog Russo is doing a live show now from the Yankees / Rays site if anyone is interested. That would be live on Sirius 123 / XM 144 for those who have satellite radio.
One of life’s great pleasures is to longer have to hear Russo.
Good to see Joba and Felciano progressing.
mad dog who?
Don’t forget about Je-zeus as a ROY candidate…..if he gets 300-400 ABs he could put up some numbers.
Halladay > Jon Lestaa
Being that his show will be live interviews with both the Yankees and Rays I thought it might be of interest to Yankee Fans here. He is interviewing Andrew Friedman the Rays GM now.
Bruce Pearl just got fired….Tennessee is dumb, he’ll be unemployed for about 5 seconds and they’ll go back to be a nothing basketball program.
Not meant to be a diss to you, VY. I just don’t like the guy.
MTU….I underestimated Phil Hughes’s 2010 performance last winter so with that being said I hope the same is true for Ivan Nova’s 2011 season…….As for Hughes, if it wasn’t for the few outings that he was roughed up by the Jays his numbers would have been such that there wouldn’t be so much chatter about how good he really is by some here……..LGY, great piece on The KC Royals in last weeks Sports Illustrated
There’s no question that Jeter can hit in the 1 and/ or 2 spots.
The question is should they put another table setter up there with him?
I say “yes”.
“# blake March 21st, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Bruce Pearl just got fired….Tennessee is dumb, he’ll be unemployed for about 5 seconds and they’ll go back to be a nothing basketball program.
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yep they were nothing before him and will be nothing after
He can rub some the wrong way, the guests are doing most of the talking though.
If Jeter bounces back then that’s two. 375-.400 OBP guys ahead of Tex, Arod, and Cano. Can you say scary……
Pat M.-
Even before you responded I was thinking you were trying to err on the conservative side.
Let’s hope so.
Halladay is so dang good. The Phillies have 1 ace…..the other 3 guys are good but not on this guys level.
Blake-
“El prodigio” is on the mound tonite.
Arbiso’s name is indeed Cory, out of California. He’s bounced between the rotation and relief for Charleston and Tampa and is either pretty good or pretty bad….nothing in between.
MTU,
I know and Im pumped….
Blake-
If he’s on it’s slice and dice ‘em time.
Gonna make a few guys look sick with the 80.
Just curious. Purely hypothetical.
Would you move him along with 3 others for Felix ?
Hopefully, some player will bust Russo in the mouth and leave him in a bloody heap.
Halladay is anomalously consistent. I think Lee, at his best, is near that level, but he runs hot and cold at times, probably due to back issues, maybe as a result of age.
# blake March 21st, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Bruce Pearl just got fired….Tennessee is dumb, he’ll be unemployed for about 5 seconds and they’ll go back to be a nothing basketball program.
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I think the firing has less to do with performance and more to do with repeated recruiting violations, one of which is currently ongoing and could result in major sanctions and issues for the university. He did a great job returning the program to prominence, but how he got there seems to be a problem for the NCAA.
# mick March 21st, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Pat M. March 21st, 2011 at 2:01 pm
BoSox need for Lackey to stem the tide of decline, if not they are in trouble
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What about Beckett?
At this point his value lies in the postseason, if they can get there.
I wonder what Halladay’s true pitch count will end up being. He’s pitching in the 8th now. He’s so efficient. I hate Toronto. Doc was the real prize.
In the interest of always providing facts; these are some of the issues that i am of the opinion, led to the dismissing of bruce pearl.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02.....essee.html
Pat:
So the cold, wind and rain made its way south to you huh ? Rained continually up here for a week with the temps in the 30′s, nasty stuff everything is completely saturated now. It looks like the ground is leaking.
99 pitches for Halladay
m-
They wanted Doc out of the AL.
mick….what I’ve heard before camp opened was that Josh has some real back issues…Now SJ has been around Florida catching games and sitting with his baseball pals and that’s what he hears as well…And this is on top of a shoulder problem that has dogged him for the past few seasons……
Papelbon get beat up by Tampa A team and then doesn’t speak with reporters after. If he continues this in Boston during regular season that can’t be good for Boston…
I hope he straightens himself out so he’s justgoodenough to keep the closer job. A crappy Papelbon is good news for the Yanks
Carlo,
Of course that’s what its about…..but you either stick wit the guy that out your program on the map or you don’t. NC state, GA Tech or one of these other schools win openings will take that risk.
MTU,
depends on which 3 other players….I really don’t want to trade him.
some Trenton notes on their exhibition games.
http://minormatterstrenton.blogspot.com/
Poor Mad Dog, such happy thoughts on a Monday. Different strokes for different folks.
Pat M
Beckett looked done last year. That contract took his breath away.
He can pull a Pavano now. (Bad Pavano)
GB7,
Thanks for that.
Don’t they know he’s not a rented mule anymore?
Blake-
Me neither but his value is sky high.
Banuelos, Romine, Nunez, and Nova.
Do you do it ?
It’s Felix.
blake March 21st, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Carlo,
Of course that’s what its about…..but you either stick wit the guy that out your program on the map or you don’t. NC state, GA Tech or one of these other schools win openings will take that risk.
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very true….i think the issue is that he lied to the university and was told not to do certain things by the administration and he disregarded their wishes. we have to remember, college hoops is great, but college football in the SEC is the golden goose and having your basketball coach screw things up or bring negative attention is not going to be taken lightly.
GB….Halladay is much like Maddox, Catfish, even Jim Palmer were, even when he misses it’s just off the plate by an inch or so…..Who ever has the plate assignment has to be on their toes when he’s on the mound…..Surgeon like
“# Carlo March 21st, 2011 at 3:13 pm
In the interest of always providing facts; these are some of the issues that i am of the opinion, led to the dismissing of bruce pearl.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02…..essee.html
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I just think who else would walk into that situation w/ sanctions? with the Lane Kiffin debacle in Football I would have given Pearl a chance to stick around…..all the big time programs do borderline illegal things, sometimes on purpose
Russo is not missed in NY.
Hopefully the shock jock shtick is on the way out.
MTU,
Probably would…..gritting my teeth. I wouldn’t so any deal with both he and Montero though.
GB….Halladay is much like Maddox, Catfish, even Jim Palmer were, even when he misses it’s just off the plate by an inch or so…..Who ever has the plate assignment has to be on their toes when he’s on the mound…..Surgeon like
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What no Mo? Make that Dr. Mo.
“We have to remember, college hoops is great, but college football in the SEC is the golden goose and having your basketball coach screw things up or bring negative attention is not going to be taken lightly.”
Fair point.
Scranton’s Danny Collins views on Manny Banuelos:
“So, how did Manny Banuelos look last night? Pretty darn good, for a 20-year-old facing the varsity team of the favorites to win the American League.
His final line against Boston on Monday night: 2 2/3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 2 K. He still hasn’t allowed a run this spring.
But no…I wouldn’t expect him in Triple-A this April. Never mind on Opening Day.
The more I think about it, he has to go to Trenton, and he has to be there until he starts embarrassing the Eastern League. What he did on Monday night was impressive, but let’s also consider the fact that the only number that matters here is the 15 1/3 innings he has pitched in his career above Class A.* And the decision on where to start Banuelos this season is easy. Besides which, that decision has already been made, anyway. Not sure Manny could have done much outside of go 12-up, 12-down to change that.
*And he has thrown just about 45 or so at High A Tampa. So, consider that he has thrown 60 innings against competition better than what you find in the Sally League. That’s a good amount of innings for a 20-year-old. But not a great amount if you’re a guy on the precipice of the big leagues. The Yankees will — and should — want to give him more time. He’ll only get better.:
Blake-
I feel the same.
If he stays healthy he will be rated within the top 10 by the end of the season. maybe top 5.
# mick March 21st, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Russo is not missed in NY.
Hopefully the shock jock shtick is on the way out.
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one of my fondest sports radio memories was heading over the GW bridge with my dad for game 6 in ’96 and russo carrying on about how “Mad Dog (Maddox) shuts the yankees down and the braves win it in 7″ and doing the tomahawk chop. the guy was tough to stomach, but it made the good times even better.
Gb-
If he’s on just watch what he does tonite.
That CU is death to righties.
Maddux was my favorite pitcher to watch when he was in his prime….I never missed a start. Halladay is even better IMO….better stuff and almost as good command.
FSu -2.5 VCU…….thoughts? VCU looks unbeatable, but 4 days off for them to recognize where they are and the stage could be tough.
Carlo College Football is the Golden Goose for any conference, the amount of revenue even ‘basketball schools’ get from Football is by far the highest, not even close…big time business…
Pearl will at least get a TV gig if he doesn’t get another coaching offer
Mick:
The ‘father’ of shock jocks, Howard Stern just got a huge new contract. I enjoy the baseball interviews and game coverage on Sirius when I am on the road. Alot of good stuff and they have a fantasy channel for baseball and football as well.
Pat, Halladay seens to toy with hitter’s much like Palmer did. No matter what the score is, nothing hisses by much and nothing ever in the center of the plate. He pitches the same way, whether it’s 1-0 or 10-0. Hunter would get a lead and just more or less pitch to get the game over. Hernandez seems to have the same pitching mentality as Palmer and Halladay.
Blake/GB-
I know you guys respect CB a lot.
Did you read what he said about Manny yesterday ?
# tampayank March 21st, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Carlo College Football is the Golden Goose for any conference, the amount of revenue even ‘basketball schools’ get from Football is by far the highest, not even close…big time business…
Pearl will at least get a TV gig if he doesn’t get another coaching offer
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Like Blake said, some school is going to take a chance on him. He is a good coach who one way or another gets players. His coaching days will continue. UNLV seems like a nice landing spot for him.
blake,
I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with you there. Maddux is far better than Halladay is or ever will be.
m March 21st, 2011 at 3:21 pm
GB7,
Thanks for that.
Don’t they know he’s not a rented mule anymore?
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My pleasure M.
The guy is a horse. Can you rent a thoroghbred?
MTU, no…last night got too tedious with the BS being flung around to read much of it.
Patrick,
I understand that POV but put Maddux in todays game with todays strike zone and Im not sure he’d fair as well…..as I said, I never missed a start and he was my favorite pitcher but he lived in a lot of areas that are called balls now. Mad dog was incredible but Doc has more weapons IMO.
MTU,
I did….spot on as usual.
The ‘father’ of shock jocks, Howard Stern just got a huge new contract.
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Don’t miss him.
Maddux (as well as Glavine and Smoltz) were too damned good to be giving them 24 inch strike zones. That gave them an unfair advantage…one that no other pitcher got. As good as their numbers were, they wouldn’t have been nearly that good.
GB, I like your take on Bañuelos’ development.
If he does well as anticipated at Trenton, he should get to spend time at SWB, and a late call-up to the Bronx to get a real taste.
I expect they’ll manage his IP well this season.
Maddux was great though and somewhat revolutionized how pitchers threw fastballs…..you could argue that maybe Halladay doesn’t pitch the way he does without Maddux and Mo (2 seamer, cutter) molds to follow.
GB-
I asked him if he thought Manny would be a star.
He went into a lengthy explanation of his POV and concluded with the statement that he thought he definitely has front of the rotation stuff.
His analysis was glowing.
You don’t usually hear CB talking in superlatives but I thought he did.
He said that he thought that Manny’s use of his FB to thread both sides of the plate is remarkable, and extremely advanced.
He said he has an almost instinctive knowledge of how to pitch.
This, in a 20 year old package.
Maddux and Glavine both got a mile off the outer half….watch old film.and you’ll be amazed at the number of pitches that we’re called strikes that wouldn’t be now.
Bañuelos’
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how did you get that tilda in there?
how could anyone love jose reyes?
I too loved to watch Maddux pitch. He took what the umpires were willing to give him and used that leeway to maximize is advantage over hitters. I agree that today’s reduced strike zone would be smaller for him too, but I think he would have adapted and still would have been ridiculously good.
DT,
That was from Donny Collins of the Scanton paper. Banuelos has a 20 year old arm and a 35 year old pitcher’s mind. Scary that he’s getting better by the month. Last year’s surgery ended any thoughts of Banuelos pitching in NYY this year. Best guess in 130-140 innings this year. That would put him at about the same innings limit that Hughes had last year. Pitching in the AFL this past winter helped him to get in the extra innings to get back to 100+ innings dor the season.
reyes is the next to go…
“Maddux and Glavine both got a mile off the outer half….watch old film.and you’ll be amazed at the number of pitches that we’re called strikes that wouldn’t be now.”
Until QuesTec intervened.
MTU, almost every evaluator has Banuelos pegged as a #1 type pitcher and many of the same ones have Betances right there with him. Sounds like we’re gonna have a throw-down between a couple of gunslingers nex year.Frankie Piliere is especially high on them and feels that Montero will be at worst a Posada/Piazza type of defensive catcher. Piazza with an arm. Piazza’s main issue was that he couldn’t throw after his first couple of years.
There’s great arguments on both sides when comparing Maddox and Doc……Let’s not forget that Maddox pitched in parks that were crazy home run havens and it was during the height of the Roid era…..I think Doc is great however I’m not convinced that he’s reached that penthouse of greatness…….Maddox was so great for so long…..
# mick March 21st, 2011 at 3:51 pm
how could anyone love jose reyes?
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you would be surprised how many supporters he has
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you would be surprised how many supporters he has
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only mets fans and they are a dying breed
Within a few years who cares if Montero becomes the fulltime DH?
Gary Sanchez is on the rise .
GB-
I’m sold on Manuelito.
It’s the whole package. The Poise, The stuff, and The command.
Betances isn’t there yet. Hopefully, he’ll get there.
Saw Maddux carve-up the Yanks in ’97. He faced 28 hitters, threw 84 and k’d 8.
dont want to give up Banuelos, even to get Felix. Everyone has said manny is on his way, and we have him at least 6 years. felix can become a fa in 3 i think…. i feel like he should be the untouchable, more than phil was coming up..
being a met fan these days has got to be depressing
Having Manny Banuelos in the system = good.
Having a guy who has pitched a few innings at AA ball that fan’s now expect to be a future ML Ace at or near the level of Felix Hernandez = bad.
Betances isn’t there yet. Hopefully, he’ll get there.
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The only thing Betances needs is innings. Otherwise, he could pitch in the big leagues tomorrow and never look back.
mick March 21st, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Within a few years who cares if Montero becomes the fulltime DH?
Gary Sanchez is on the rise .
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Until they have put in a good year at AAA, don’t catch your chickens before they are hatched. That includes Sanchez and the Killer Bs.
all moot because i do not see seattle trading with the yankees even though it makes perfect sense. they get 5 talents 3 of which are ml ready, one of the B’s, and Montero/Romine. 5 for 1 is good as long as the 5 arent 5 bums. seattle is going nowhere in the next few years, then felix will be gone and they get nothing other than 2 draft picks.
INjuries, car accidents and death, trades, etc…all sorts of things happen…they are not here until they are here.
Russo interviewing Steve Phillips on his show
being a met fan these days has got to be depressing
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Mick, are there any of those left?
ac1 March 21st, 2011 at 4:21 pm
seattle is going nowhere in the next few years,
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I’m not sure every team is as committed to a WC as the Yankees ae. For some, attendance and having fan favs like Felix is as important or more important than building for the future.
JAP-
Betances may have better pure stuff but IMO he is not nearly as advanced overall as Banuelos.
I’m talking whole package at this moment. Stuff, command, and poise as a grouping.
That’s just my take having seen both.
That’s not to demean Betances. Manny is very, very special.
Don’t know if this has been posted before, but apparently the Steinbrenner family is in discussion with a group of investors and the city of Orlando to move the Tampa Yankees to Orlando. It’s not a done deal, but they seem to be talking about it seriously. Major League Yankees spring training would remain in Tampa at Steinbrenner Field.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/d.....es-to-town
“Russo interviewing Steve Phillips on his show”
Awesome. One idiot interviewing another.
# Fran the original March 21st, 2011 at 4:22 pm
being a met fan these days has got to be depressing
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Mick, are there any of those left?
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Most met fans are pathetic.
GB,
Saw that article you posted about the kid who tested positive. Amazing story.
“Russo interviewing Steve Phillips on his show”
Awesome. One idiot interviewing another.
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Nice catch.
# ET March 21st, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Russo interviewing Steve Phillips on his show
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ET phone home.
If betances advances his skills this season as much as he did from 2008-2009 (because of injuries) to 2010, he’ll be ready.
“I’m not sure every team is as committed to a WC as the Yankees ae. For some, attendance and having fan favs like Felix is as important or more important than building for the future.”
I wouldn’t assume that city is Seattle, however.
It wasn’t THAT long ago that the team lost Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey Jr. and Alex Rodriquez in consecutive years and won 116 the next.
If an ML city should understand the lessons of the past, it’s them.
# ET March 21st, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Russo interviewing Steve Phillips on his show
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there are some crafty pairs of tough to like guys out there….but this twosome ranks amongst the top.
Stuckey–
Different GM…different mindset
Fran the original March 21st, 2011 at 4:26 pm
GB,
Saw that article you posted about the kid who tested positive. Amazing story
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Fran, he’s lucky kid. Hopefully, all goes well and he learns from the use, regardless of his team. That’s not something that anyone should have to deal with, no matter what age.
MTU March 21st, 2011 at 4:24 pm
JAP-
Betances may have better pure stuff but IMO he is not nearly as advanced overall as Banuelos.
I’m talking whole package at this moment. Stuff, command, and poise as a grouping.
That’s just my take having seen both.
That’s not to demean Betances. Manny is very, very special.
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The tiny sample size you saw of Betances is not representative. He has stuff, command, poise and an uber mound presence. He’s not in need of “getting there” because he’s already arrived. Getting innings underneath him is the final frontier. For both of them. They’re both special, incidentally.
Bojo,
No argument, I’m just saying I think Seattle remembers there history and having superstars spend their careers there just isn’t an expectation.
Besides, not sure one starting pitcher really affects attendance in any big way. On average he’d pitch in just 16-18 home dates.
JAP
The final frontier is getting to the bigs in good health
Fran, he’s lucky kid. Hopefully, all goes well and he learns from the use, regardless of his team. That’s not something that anyone should have to deal with, no matter what age.
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GB,
Absolutely right. It goes way beyond what team he is on.
One thing that surprises me is that no matter how much money that’s tied up in these players that they aren’t checked more carefully during their annual physicals. Seems to me that teams would invest a little more into the medical side.
JAP-
You have seen him way more. Maybe you are right.
These are the kinds of problems you want to have.
2 fans debating which of two great prospects is the better.
Truth is I didn’t know what a Manny Banuelos was until SJ & GB began raving about this kid a few years ago……..When I met with SJ last summer he was very clear that in 3-4 years from now that Hughes & Manny will be the best 1-2 punch duos in the game…..
Stuckey:
One would think that a team like the Mariners with the money of one of the Nintendo owners behind them would be alot more consistent both on and off the field. Seems like they are constantly cleaning house and starting from scratch again.
GB
I got to see Rob Lyerly today. He hit the ball hard but right at someone. In the field he made a great play and strong throw but the next ball that went to him went right through his legs. Jose Ramirez looked good throwing strikes.
BoJo March 21st, 2011 at 4:34 pm
JAP
The final frontier is getting to the bigs in good health
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so far, so good, knock on wood.
Stuckey–
If he starts 16 games at home, that might be 160,000 to 320,000 more fans and concessions. On attendance of 2.1M, that is around a 10% bump…
VY,
I’d say most teams are run that way. Player salaries have outpaced their revenue models.
Btw – never asked you this, been meaning to. You from the Vineyard or does the name mean something else?
JAP-
Since you seem to know Betances better than me I have a question.
Does Dellin have any pitch that scouts would rate as an 80 on a scale of 80 ?
http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....he-answer/
Cool article about Cano in 2010 vs 2009.
MTU March 21st, 2011 at 4:35 pm
JAP-
You have seen him way more. Maybe you are right.
These are the kinds of problems you want to have.
2 fans debating which of two great prospects is the better.
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No I’m not debating the virtues of one over the other, I’m just trying to point out that Betances isn’t the pitcher you’re describing. I think you are looking at his size and making a cliche out of him: big guy with great raw stuff that he can’t command. That’s fine, but it’s nothing to do with Dellin Betances, who has a tremendous feel for pitching and for his offspeed stuff. He has no qualms with starting a hitter off with his breaking stuff & has mechanics unusual for a pitcher of his size and youth. Those factors are why he’s got the highest ceiling in the system: he’s got all the raw ability and size plus he knows how to pitch. This is what makes him a special arm.
Bojo, where you getting the 160-320k from?
I should clarity my Maddux statement. Maddux had the more prolific career and unless Doc really has a lot of great years ahead of him then it will probably end up that way as well. As Pat M pointed out, he did pitch right in the middle of the PED era also. I think my point was that if you put the current model of Halladay up against Maddux in his hey day against the same hitters with the same umpire then I think Doc has more weapons and better stuff…..its one of those debates that makes baseball great.
I also will.say that as a Braves fan I wanted Smoltz on the hill in a big playoff game over both Maddux and Glavine.
stuckey99 March 21st, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Bojo, where you getting the 160-320k from?
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O took a quick look at the schedule for 2010 and the differences in attendance when Felix pitched at home versus another pitcher. Typically, his starts drew more in a range from 5K to 30K, so I took a swag at the incremental attendance that would be attributed to him pitching.
Not very scientific, and certainly a lot more effort could be made to look at opponents and week-days versus weekends and holidays, etc. But just a ballpark estimate.
JAP-
I haven’t seen it so I’m understandably a bit skeptical.
Perhaps if I had seen more of a sample I would be more enlightened.
I have to admit I am very, very impressed with Manny.
He may not have the highest cieling but he has a ton of the kinds of things that make great pitchers IMO.
I hope they both turn out to be stars.
The Nats sold out every strasberg start, I think the same principle applies to Felix and the Mariners. When you literally have only one thing to look forward to… Same with Greinke on the Royals.
I haven’t seen Betances a whole lot but in the limited amount I have seen him he wasn’t repeating his delivery very well and was flying open with his front side.. could be just because its early but man what an arm…..
blake….I guess it comes down to whether you rather have a Rolls or a Bentley
Some very interesting reading on the links between head injuries and ALS (Lou Gehrig’s Desease). There were a handful of SF 49ers from the late 60s-early 70s that died from ALS, along with boxer Ezzard Charles in the 70s, and now Wally Hilgenberg of the Vikings, Reggie Fleming in hockey in the last couple of years.
There are more articles than this if interested.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story.....njury.html
Pat M,
Exactly.
The Nats sold out every strasberg start, I think the same principle applies to Felix and the Mariners. When you literally have only one thing to look forward to… Same with Greinke on the Royals.
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Yeah they sold out the 5 or 6 starts he had. You think he will continue to sell out every start forever? Doubt it. I would love to see a stat that shows Seattle sells out every Felix game.
Blake-
Manny gets a brownie point for being left handed.
Stuckey:
I think that if you are an owner who made their fortune in the gaming industry (Nintendo) that they would be more than just a passive type of owner, perhaps it is a tax write off. On the other hand I might also be a spoiled fan with the Steinbrenners at the helm of the Yanks, ya think ?
In answer to your question, the ‘Vineyard” comes from living up in the Sonoma Valley (about 1.5 hours north of S.F.) I have a little spread in the wine country surrounded by grapes, 5 dogs, a goat (Gio) and a handful of chickens. Where are you at ?
I would love to see a stat that shows Seattle sells out every Felix game.
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Doesn’t have to sell out, just increase attendance over the rest of the games.
tyanksfan36 March 21st, 2011 at 4:36 pm
GB
I got to see Rob Lyerly today. He hit the ball hard but right at someone. In the field he made a great play and strong throw but the next ball that went to him went right through his legs. Jose Ramirez looked good throwing strikes.
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TY, that’s been Lyerly’s thing sing he started playing…very strong bat, but less than good defense at 1st and third. He is, however still pretty inexperienced. He has that in common with Suttle. You’ll love that bat, though.
Victoria’s Secret is selling MLB clothing for women. Nothing like bras and panties and such although there is some “Meet me in the dugout” and “caught looking” underwear.
http://www.victoriassecret.com.....vsdWrapper
I didn’t assume anything to do with Mariners selling out Felix games. I eyeballed actual attendance…
http://www.baseball-reference......ores.shtml
MTU,
Manny’s ceiling’s pretty high, too. I think what has happened in Dellin’s case is he made a quantum jump in learning how to repeat, gained some mass and became more rooted on the mound, added a change that is already a plus and even an out pitch, & the scouting reports haven’t caught up yet. These little nuggets float around & get attached to a reality they no longer reflect, but they still influence thinking because the cliche about large pitchers has some general merit to it & suggestion does its voodoo.
Point is also, pitchers are behind hitters early and it takes a big guy longer to rein himself in during those first drowsy ST appearances. You have to ask yourself I think, that if Betances were the embodiment of those abject mechanics you saw, how could he possibly be so highly regarded?? Food for thought
. Another thing is the kid’s “feel” extends to not only having a plan but to sensing when he’s out of whack & getting back on track quickly, a reason I have hope he’s less injury prone going forward.
tyanksfan36 March 21st, 2011 at 4:36 pm
GB
I got to see Rob Lyerly today. He hit the ball hard but right at someone. In the field he made a great play and strong throw but the next ball that went to him went right through his legs. Jose Ramirez looked good throwing strikes.
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I always appreciate the updates. Anyone else stand out?
I know you are self-professedly not a pitching aficionado. However, did you notice how much J-Ram threw his slider?
MTU,
Manny is younger, left handed, and already repeats his delivery…..he may in fact not.have as high a ceiling as Betances but he’s also much more likely to reach his.
Banuelos is like a healthy Al Leiter’s arm attached to Jimmy Key’s pitching brain (all at age 20).
JAP-
Thanks for your input.
MTU March 21st, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Blake-
Manny gets a brownie point for being left handed.
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Of course he does.
Groan, Bronx!
GB,
That’s a deadly combination…..
GB-
I think it’s more like an Enchillada attached to a Burrito smothered in hot sauce.
Either way it’s all good. Especially when you factor in that cold cerveza.
reenBeret7 March 21st, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Some very interesting reading on the links between head injuries and ALS (Lou Gehrig’s Desease). There were a handful of SF 49ers from the late 60s-early 70s that died from ALS, along with boxer Ezzard Charles in the 70s, and now Wally Hilgenberg of the Vikings, Reggie Fleming in hockey in the last couple of years.
There are more articles than this if interested.
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Looks like Lou had a few beanings too
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08.....ehrig.html
Pat M.
I am back after being out for a while and catching up here. Yes, the desert is getting wet. Rain is always needed here and every drop is counted. It seems strange when it does rain here and the big deal they make about in on TV.
Bronx….Does a model come with them ???? M, did you see Kobe’s baseline fade away jumper to win last night’s game ???? He’s still the best in the business in winning games
I just used excel, because its fun, to calculate the average attendance with and without Felix for the Mariners @ home.
27000 with Felix, 25000 without. So whatever is being discussed I guess try and factor in an extra 2000 tickets.
blake March 21st, 2011 at 5:05 pm
MTU,
Manny is younger, left handed, and already repeats his delivery…..he may in fact not.have as high a ceiling as Betances but he’s also much more likely to reach his.
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Nothing from the 3 starts I’ve seen of Betances supports that.
Blake-
Someone, I forget who, compared him to a guy named Teddy Higuera.
Never saw Higuera but I understand he was pretty good.
blake March 21st, 2011 at 5:11 pm
GB,
That’s a deadly combination…..
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Blake, not saying he is that good or will be, but, imagine a Jimmy Key with Leiter’s stuff. He’s a smart kid with STUFF.
Bojo,
There was a question you asked me yesterday, and by the time I went to answer/ it you were gone. I don’t know what it was, and I am not going back to look for it…not my thing.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH.....index.html
SAS March 21st, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Bojo,
There was a question you asked me yesterday, and by the time I went to answer/ it you were gone. I don’t know what it was, and I am not going back to look for it…not my thing.
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???
Why is there air?
Kobe is about 90% of Jordan….which might be as close as anyone ever gets.
.When I met with SJ last summer he was very clear that in 3-4 years from now that Hughes & Manny will be the best 1-2 punch duos in the game…..
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If he stays healthy, Betances will be better than Hughes.
MTU March 21st, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Blake-
Someone, I forget who, compared him to a guy named Teddy Higuera.
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Towers
NTU, Pat M. made the Higuera comparison a couple of months ago and Piliere made that same comparison about a week ago. Does Piliere read this board or is Pat M. and Frankie Piliere the same per…..nah.Though you never see them in the same place at the same time.
J. Alfred Prufrock March 21st, 2011 at 5:16 pm
.When I met with SJ last summer he was very clear that in 3-4 years from now that Hughes & Manny will be the best 1-2 punch duos in the game…..
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If he stays healthy, Betances will be better than Hughes.
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If he stays healthy, Betances will be taller than Hughes.
Bojo,
Better.
does anyone know if tonights game is on tv or radio or if anyone can post a link to it
thanks
GB-
You’ve seen everyone.
How good was Higuera ? Do you see him as a comp ?
J alfred,
Banuelos is 3 years younger and is closer to the big leagues and to this point has no history of injury. He has the higher floor by most every account.
27000 with Felix, 25000 without. So whatever is being discussed I guess try and factor in an extra 2000 tickets.
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That’s it? Trade his ass.
Pat M. has his own bikini clad pool cleaner and asks whether models come with those shirts. Who does he think he is? Shawn Kemp? Derek Jeter?
SAS:
Do they make a big deal about big rains in the desert because there are no street sewers for the rain to flow into ? Isn’t it all above ground for the runoff and absorption ?
MTU March 21st, 2011 at 5:18 pm
GB-
You’ve seen everyone.
How good was Higuera ? Do you see him as a comp ?
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Higuera was good….real good. He started a lot later than Valenszuala but if not for injuries could have been that good.
Doesn’t Santana seem like a better comp ?
Especially with Manny’s CU.
One main difference is that Santana used the slider and Banuelos has added a curve.
P.S. I am not saying that Manny will ever be as good as Santana.
Just talking about the stuff for comparison purposes.
blake March 21st, 2011 at 5:19 pm
J alfred,
Banuelos is 3 years younger and is closer to the big leagues and to this point has no history of injury. He has the higher floor by most every account.
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Both are close. I expect both to make that rotation next season, baring unforseeables like injury or trades. As for every account, I’ve seen them both myself enough not to rely on derivatives. Avail yourself of them, but you might consider the next wave of scouting on him, as it will have caught up to the present player.
GB…….The other pitcher that Manny reminds me of is Jerry Koosman in regards to his arm action…..Teddy Higuera was just a Yankee killer back in the late 70′s and early 80′s…..There was another guy in Kuenn’s rotation that had great fortune eating up the Bombers back then…….And the Yanks had a formidable lineup……They had the best record in baseball during the 80′s and nothing to show for it other than 1 AL Pennant
Banuelos looks like Santana and his stuff (especially the change) is similar but mechanically they are quite different……but he’s a good comp based on size and stuff.
Betances’ only caveat may be staying healthy. He is right there with Banuelos. Baneulos has better command and is a lefty but Betances has excellent command himself once he is in sync and has better stuff. Apples and oranges.
At Trenton, Betances was the #1 pitcher, and had better control, as Banuelos was still trying to harness that fastball. If you want to say Betances doesn’t have control, guess again: At Trenton: 14.1IP 12.56K/9 1.88 BB/9 He had no problem moving up to AA and becoming the #1 pitcher both in regular season and playoffs. Go see him pitch.
Pat M,
I only saw the highlight.
Here’s an account of someone who was there :
Roy was much more detailed as he described what it was like to try to stop a shot everyone in the building knew was coming.
“As soon as he went into it, I was like, ‘Man I can get it,’” Roy said. “But I was so afraid because he does that pump fake going that way that I didn’t want to draw the foul. That’s the threat he has. When it came down to it, I was like, ‘Jump, jump.’ Then I was like, ‘Don’t.’”
He sounded like a man talking himself out of making an NCAA tournament pick that he liked. And as he replayed the moment Bryant’s shot went over his arms, he sounded like someone whose bracket was just wrecked.
“As soon as it left, I was turning like, ‘Noooooo.’”
JAP-
Unless Nova flops (which I hope doesn’t happen) I do not see Manny and Dellin in the rotation together next year.
Don’t see room for both.
He’s gonna have to be significantly better to edge out the lefty.
I don’t see it. maybe I’m wrong.
J alfred,
Im going on what I’ve seen from them both…..and what I’ve read about each.
Yankeefem
I did not, its kind of hard to focus through the fence, but he was getting a lot of swinging strikes.
I got to see Mariano Rivera pitch 2 innings. The people next to me were saying that his cutter was really good today.
I am going back up tomorrow, DJ Mitchell is supposed to pitch so I’m hoping I make it in time.
VY..
The roads aren’t banked as well here so the run off can cause flooding with very little rain. I think newer roads may be done better, but I am not sure. There is always heavy duty road work here, and the roads are great, but I don’t always know what they are doing. The Phoenix area is enormous with the towns that surround it. I am in Scottsdale which is huge.
Banuelos won me over in the game where he backed up a 76 mph curveball with a 96 mph fastball (I forget which game it was) both for strikes. Normal 20 year old pitchers can’t do that, in fact, most major league pitchers can’t do it either.
I made the comparison to Whitey Ford after watching that sequence, the Chairman of the Board knew how to pitch at a very early age-I doubt whether any of the other lefties being mentioned as a comparison could do that at age 20-Santana was a reliever when he came up.
“I think that if you are an owner who made their fortune in the gaming industry (Nintendo) that they would be more than just a passive type of owner, perhaps it is a tax write off. On the other hand I might also be a spoiled fan with the Steinbrenners at the helm of the Yanks, ya think ?
I do
From NJ, but spend a lot of time in Martha’s Vineyard, which is why I ask.
That said, stopped in Sonoma for a day on my way from to SF having stayed like 4 days in Napa with friends a few years back.
We left Sonoma all wishing we had spent 4 days there instead
I am glad to have both of them though so this discussion can take place
tyanks,
You are certainly taking full advantage of spring training…good for you.
YF stop that! Those Betances starts are going to be a tough ticket
. Both kids’ starts are going to be much better attended now.
Pat, the only other pitcher that I can think of other than Caldwell and Vukovitch was Moose Haas, smallish, stylish right hander.
I can see some Koosman in Banuelos…throws harder than Koosman, though.
MG,
Most 20 years olds wont throw 3-2 changeups to MVP candidates or bust good hitters inside to get out of jams either.
tyanksfan36 March 21st, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Yankeefem
I did not, its kind of hard to focus through the fence, but he was getting a lot of swinging strikes.
I got to see Mariano Rivera pitch 2 innings. The people next to me were saying that his cutter was really good today.
I am going back up tomorrow, DJ Mitchell is supposed to pitch so I’m hoping I make it in time.
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Thanks for the report, tyf. Ramirez’s changeup is his big swing and miss pitch. Ridiculously good. Not that his fastball is too shabby.
I really like how DJ pitched with the big club his last televised outing. I hope you get to see him.
I just used excel, because its fun, to calculate the average attendance with and without Felix for the Mariners @ home.
27000 with Felix, 25000 without. So whatever is being discussed I guess try and factor in an extra 2000 tickets.
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So total incremental attendance is 35,021…for games Felix pitched…or about a 2 percent rise…Shoots that theory down. Thanks for running the numbers.
Chris Russo says Joe Girardi’s agent won’t allow Girardi to come on for an 8 minute interview unless he is paid.
blake March 21st, 2011 at 5:30 pm
I am glad to have both of them though so this discussion can take place
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yea I confess I’m more amped to see the Bs’ starts than the big club, although I’ll make sure to make Hughes and Nova’s home starts. Prolly as much C as I can too cos he’s such a delight to watch.
Apparently Girardi’s agent put the ‘kabosh’ on an 8 minute interview spot with ‘Mad Dog’ today because he won’t be paid for the interview. A bit much in March S/T. Cashman is slated to be on later in today’s show.
J. Alfred Prufrock March 21st, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Bojo,
Better.
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Less filling.
Nothing from the 3 starts I’ve seen of Betances supports tha
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Isn’t three games a tiny sample as well?
GB-
The scary thing is that Manny is so young. Still growing into his body and capable of added strength.
What might that translate into ?
His curve is a very good 3rd offering.
The CU is off the chart.
The velocity separation and exceptional command make him someone to watch.
Like CB said, he seems to have an almost instinctive ability to pitch.
All he has to do is stay healthy.
I would love to see him add a cutter to bore into righties.
Hey. I’m greedy.
They would have to pay me to talk to Chris Russo as well. Good move by Girardi.
I guess we both are listening to ‘Mad Dog’………..LOL !
J. Alfred Prufrock March 21st, 2011 at 5:31 pm
YF stop that! Those Betances starts are going to be a tough ticket . Both kids’ starts are going to be much better attended now.
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For Banuelos maybe. However, only you, me, and two or three other people who stumbled in unexpectedly will be at the Betances games.
Ford had that great overhand curveball and a better fastball than ever given credit for. Ford also threw a cutter. Of course, it wasn’t quite the same kind of cutter that Rivera has. Ford owes his cutter to a special wedding band and Ellie howard’s sharp buckles on his shinguards.
One of the strategic reasons for Nova being in the rotation this season will likely be related to trade value.
If Nova has a decent to good season as a starter this year in the AL East he is going to be an extremely valuable trade chip over the next two seasons.
With guys like Nova or Noesi or Warren or Phelps – their trade value really goes up if they even have a modicum of success at the big league level.
I hope Nova surprises. But long term, the Yankees have far more talented arms coming through the system.
If Banuelos, Betances and Brackman progress, they will make room in the rotation for them. It’ll need to be staged so the team still competes at a high level – but if they’re good guys like Nova who are in the rotation will only be temporary fixtures.
Blake, I said that I think Lackey will be better, not that he will be significantly better.
One of the strategic reasons for Nova being in the rotation this season will likely be related to trade value.
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This is a good point, Nova has the best chance from the 4-5 candidates of:
- Being with the yankees long term
- Bringing something substantial back in a trade
If he pitches well in the majors, and the Yankees have a chance to upgrade (I’m talking like an ace or something) I can see them dealing a Nova who is pitching well.
And if we took away 3 of Phil’s best starts, then how would it be, Pat ? I’m still waiting to find out what on earth the big deal is if some of us don’t think as highly of him as you? Yes, I get this is a boring topic, but I didn’t bring it up and I’m not about to let it slip past.
I still think Brackman will be groomed as the next Yankee closer,
CB-
I can envision a scenario (as optimistic as it is) wherein Nova, Banuelos, and Betances are all in the rotation together.
I see AJ gone at the end of his present contract. Maybe sooner.
I hope Nova pans out as middle type guy.
Girardi was also supposed to be on Francessa’s show everyday, but apparently his agent didn’t relay that to Girardi and they changed it back to the weekly format.
yankeefeminista March 21st, 2011 at 5:37 pm
J. Alfred Prufrock March 21st, 2011 at 5:31 pm
YF stop that! Those Betances starts are going to be a tough ticket . Both kids’ starts are going to be much better attended now.
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For Banuelos maybe. However, only you, me, and two or three other people who stumbled in unexpectedly will be at the Betances games.
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Haha. GOOD! Better seats
CB–
Not sure. I would have agreed except I have been pleasantly surprised by Nova’s attitude and desire to win, as well as his ability to take instruction. All this has equates to a fast rise in performance over the last two years. I am not presumming he has reached his ceiling yet.
MTU, Higuera was a very good pitcher and he killed the Yankees, but I believe Towers oversold Betances (Felix? Come on) and undersold Manny
GB….Bill Travers was also in that rotation, however Teddy Higuera just threw his mitt out there and Yanks would get tagged with a L…….Looking forward to your Farm Reports as it’s one of the best aspects to the LoHud…..Let’s hope that the climate here rebounds from last season
JackCurryYES
The more Girardi talks about the lineup, the more it sounds like Gardner will be leadoff man
Betsy-
I have a soft spot for the little guys (being one).
LGY March 21st, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Nothing from the 3 starts I’ve seen of Betances supports tha
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Isn’t three games a tiny sample as well?
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No, it isn’t. You can see his stuff unless you are blind. Plus you have his stats and history.
This discussion is kind of silly. It isn’t like we are talking about Jose Ramirez here who has great potential but only has 3 pitches right now and is in A. Betances is in AA, is a top 100, top 5 farm, 5 star BP prospect, who some think can pitch in mlb right now, etc. This isn’t someone going out on a limb. Your own GM and Piliere and Goldstein and everyone else has shouted Betances’s attributes.
It is the one sample of Betances on tv when he clearly was out of whack that has fueled this discussion. lol.
Ramirez only has, should read *2* pitches (working on slider)
BX, they did?
In any case, Russon is a dope (to put it kindly) and I was not happy that he got his WS last year. After the Yankees lost to TX, I saw a clip of him and he raved like a lunatic about how awful we were. I’m not sure why any Yankee fan would want to listen to him.
MTU March 21st, 2011 at 5:27 pm
JAP-
Unless Nova flops (which I hope doesn’t happen) I do not see Manny and Dellin in the rotation together next year.
Don’t see room for both.
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MTU, guys like Betances don’t become victims of numbers games. I don’t frankly see how either kid can reasonably be held back, barring injury/trade. Like I’ve said, from what I’ve seen, “regression” that isn’t superficial in either is highly unlikely. Maybe one guy comes up later but I see no reason why 2012 isn’t both their jump yrs.
GB7-
I think there’s a good chance of that happening. Not definite. But I can definitely see it depending on his development.
I remember back when he was drafted the proverbial question of who would be the “heir to Mo” came up and Brackman was one of the names I just threw out there.
Given his age, stuff and impending injury it seemed like the pen may wind up being the route for him.
We’ll see. I’m looking forward to seeing what he does this year. I hope he’s becoming more comfortable and is able to unleash more of his physical skills. Even last year I think control and command were such an issue for him that he had to prioritize them and hold something back.
BX33:
I believe that WFAN / Francesa has an exclusive with Girardi in whiuch he is paid to do those spots. ‘Mad Dog’s’ production people called WFAN to make sure that the intended interview would not be a conflict and was told it wouldn’t be as it was a Promo baseball spot.
Girardi’s agent apparently told Girardi not to do the spot and relayed it through Jason Zillo to Russo’s people.
GreenBeret7 March 21st, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Ford had that great overhand curveball and a better fastball than ever given credit for. Ford also threw a cutter. Of course, it wasn’t quite the same kind of cutter that Rivera has. Ford owes his cutter to a special wedding band and Ellie howard’s sharp buckles on his shinguards.
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GB, Whitey could do it all. Some of my favorite Yankee Stadium moments as a kid were spent sitting in the upper deck behind home plate (G.O. seats, probably cost 75 cents) and watching Whitey carve up the opponents. He would get them leaning over the plate looking for the pitch away and bust them inside with a tailing fastball for strike 3, he was a surgeon on the mound.
My favorite Whitey Ford story is his history with Jim Gentile, a big hitter for the O’s back in the day who couldn’t have hit Whitey with a snowshoe-Whitey would throw him sidearm curve balls that had him back in the dugout before the pitch was halfway to home plate. One day Gentile hits a weak comebacker that Whitey fields and, as he’s throwing the ball to 1st base, hears Gentile yell out ‘I hit it, I hit it’
MTU, someone is going to have to be traded ………AJ will be here for another 3 years, so he’s not going anywhere. If you figure that Manny will be in the rotation in 2012 (dangerous thinking given how pitchers often get hurt or regress), then maybe Betances in 2012? Not sure where Brackman fits
Higuera wasn’t really little -he was stocky.
CB…..I need another Houston type pick like last season…….Betsy what are you talking about….
From what I have seen of Manny and DB in video and ST and stuff is that DB has good control but his command needs work.
Manny has pinpoint control and command which is what puts him on another level in that regard.
GB, Cash did say that all 3 could dominate, so if the Yankees think that way of Brackman, I can’t see them putting him in the pen.
yankeefeminista March 21st, 2011 at 5:45 pm
LGY March 21st, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Nothing from the 3 starts I’ve seen of Betances supports tha
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Isn’t three games a tiny sample as well?
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No, it isn’t. You can see his stuff unless you are blind. Plus you have his stats and history.
This discussion is kind of silly. It isn’t like we are talking about Jose Ramirez here who has great potential but only has 3 pitches right now and is in A. Betances is in AA, is a top 100, top 5 farm, 5 star BP prospect, who some think can pitch in mlb right now, etc. This isn’t someone going out on a limb. Your own GM and Piliere and Goldstein and everyone else has shouted Betances’s attributes.
It is the one sample of Betances on tv when he clearly was out of whack that has fueled this discussion. lol.
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yea it’s telling that the people who have only those TV appearances to go on agree with each other & you and I who’ve seen him more (along with tyyanks) are in accord.
Betsy – Yeah, Mike announced it on his show today. Best also had a column in Newsday today as well about the change.
Sounds like there was some miscommunication between Girardi’s agent and WFAN. It sounded kind of unrealistic from the start. I mean, doing a 5 minute spot every single day? They were probably willing to pay him some good coin for that.
JAP-
No room. And I do not think the Yanks want more than 1 inexperienced pitcher in the rotation at a time. I want the 2nd lefty first.
I hope Nova makes it because I expect AJ to disappear making room
the following season for Betances.
In reality the best man will get the back end spot. Might be Banuelos.
might be Dellin. might be someone from the outside. Who knows.
Betsy:
Russo was ‘raving’ because he is a life long Giants fan and they hadn’t won a WS on almost 60 years. Not because he likes or dislikes the Yankees.
Pat M, I was responding (late, because I just got home from work) to a post you made about how Phil’s #s would look better if you took the Jays games away. Leaving Phil alone for a second, I don’t think that’s fair to do that to any pitcher. If you remove their worst starts (although his worst would include the Seattle game instead of one of the Jays), then you have to remove their best starts. This is nothing personal – I don’t believe that this is a good way to evaluate pitchers, whether it’s Phil or CC or AJ or Lester or Lee or anyone.
Yankeefem
No one is discounting DBs stuff. It is obvious the kid is a stud. Just discussing what he needs to improve on and work on. He is further away than Manny IMO and a decent amount so
MG putting the Whitey label on Manny says it all. That’s as good as it gets for a yankees prospect.
I remember that thread from earlier this spring. I never saw whitey of course, but whitey wasn’t tall either – think he was 5’11 or so. And from what I’ve read there’s probably some comparisons stuff wise.
Manny is very good. No question about it. As long as he stays healthy he is going to be tremendous.
BX, thanks! That’s fine, it’s not like I’m sitting on the edge of my seat waiting to hear what Joe has to say every day, lol. I get the pertinent info right here, thanks to Chad
These numbers games always work themselves out, so it is too early to worry about which pitcher should be traded. The odds are that some one will get injured or delayed a year, and by then AJ is gone…
You can never have enough good pitching, so there is no sense worrying about it as if the situation had to be decided today.
LGY March 21st, 2011 at 5:50 pm
From what I have seen of Manny and DB in video and ST and stuff is that DB has good control but his command needs work.
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yea except this is all wet. He has plenty of command for a guy whose stuff is as nasty as Betances. He doesn’t need to be Mike Mussina. Watch him bust a hitter up to finish him after the guy’s gone fishing for his curve ball.
I think Manny could hold his own in the majors now. I don’t think DB could
Vineyard, he hates the Yankees……and he’s allowed to, but I’ve not missed him and I can’t think of any Yankee fan who does. I’m not sure how his father put up with him, lol
Pat M. March 21st, 2011 at 5:44 pm
GB….Bill Travers was also in that rotation, however Teddy Higuera just threw his mitt out there and Yanks would get tagged with a L…….Looking forward to your Farm Reports as it’s one of the best aspects to the LoHud…..Let’s hope that the climate here rebounds from last season
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Pat, I had forgotten all about Bill Travers. He was really good with some bad teams in the mid-70s. I think he retired early because of injuries. Tall, slender guy…reminded me a lot of Bill Stafford from the left side.
Betsy-
Gun to my head. Right now.
I trade brackman 1st, Betances 2nd, and Banuelos last.
That’s just my take. I’m not a scout, and I’m not a GM.
Further experience with all three could change that.
I meant right now.
Of course, it might be best if we didn’t have to trade any of them
LGY, post surgery Betances refined his delivery. Look at the numbers. In 2010 in A+ in 71 IP’s he K’ed 11.15/9 and only BB’ed 2.41/9. Why would we presume that post-surgery when Betances has worked hard on his mechanics that he would suddenly not be able to command his pitches. It is one thing to say he is a big guy who might get out of whack from time to time, but quite another to equate one game with some festering command issue. He commands his pitches fine.
there is really no reason to compare Banuelos to Bettances.
Banuelos seems basically ready to pitch in the big leagues and if this was 1965 would be in the rotation right now.
Betances isn’t ready yet but has great stuff, we just need to see him continue to progress-it will be a great story if he makes it as a local kid, when was the last time the Yankees had someone in the rotation who grew up in the five boroughs?
Betsy:
Hate is pretty strong word………………how about dislikes or doesn’t care for ?………LOL !
Bojo-
It’s not a knock on Nova. I like him quite a bit. I was very disappointed when he got picked by the Pads in the rule 5 as I wanted to see how he’d progress (fortunately he was still too raw and wasn’t likely to be a guy they could even stash in the pen for a year so he came back).
So I agree – I wouldn’t say we’re at Nova’s ceiling. As I said, I hope he surprises.
The one thing that concerns me about Nova is his arm actions. It’s really not great. On the long side and it can get loopy. That’s why he has trouble with his release point and being consistent with his curve ball.
Hopefully he can master that cut fastball because that’s likely going to be a pitch he can stay more consistent with compared to a curve.
But I hope for the best and hope he’ll force his way into the rotation and stay there for a decade.
Betsy, that comment was in line with some body’s comment about his era being below 4 until he was lit up at Skydome in August……Nothing more nothing less…..It’s a shame that you need to look for hidden agendas on everything that is posted here and how it’s a knock on you or about you……That’s just crazy paranoia
MTU:
Is the gun loaded ? LOL !
MTU March 21st, 2011 at 5:56 pm
Betsy-
Gun to my head. Right now.
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Don’t play with guns.
Girardi asked for $$$ in order to talk with Russo?
lmao
Betsy, it’s all radio shtick. I like the Mad Dog (he’s pretty funny) but you can’t take anything any talk show host says seriously, they all need to do what they do to get ratings. Come down to South Florida sometime and listen to Sid Rosenberg suck up to Isiah Thomas, that will really make you sick.
LGY March 21st, 2011 at 5:54 pm
I think Manny could hold his own in the majors now. I don’t think DB could
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Based on what? The one game you saw where he was out of control.
Bojo/VY-
Some would wish I would pull that trigger but alas they are going to be disappointed because it was ONLY a metaphor.
CB March 21st, 2011 at 5:57 pm
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Good analysis (as usual).
I really am reluctant to get too high on prospects until they have made the club, because there is just too much that can go wrong. Having said that, i also would not trade high end talent in most cases. As I said a short bit ago, fate has a way of working these things out, so you can never have enough good young high-ceiling arms. Thus, I don’t see them trading Nova now…especially with his new culider pitch (cutter/slider).
New thread ==>
MTU March 21st, 2011 at 6:01 pm
Bojo/VY-
Some would wish I would pull that trigger but alas they are going to be disappointed because it was ONLY a metaphor.
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Don’t play with mataphors
Betances main issue this spring was that his front shoulder kept flying open.
That can be a relatively easy thing to fix and may just be due to it being spring training.
Given his success last season, I doubt it’s a chronic issue. Could be intermittent I suppose but I don’t see it being a consistent problem.
CC has a similar problem from time to time.
MTU, so would I. I’m not suggesting they be traded, but there are only 3 spots remaining in the rotation for the next few years………….
Bojo-
Very well. I’ll be careful.
LGY March 21st, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Nothing from the 3 starts I’ve seen of Betances supports tha
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Isn’t three games a tiny sample as well?
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Three starts for a young pitcher over a large stretch of time isn’t like seeing a hitter 3 times, and even that gives you information when it’s a special talent.
CB March 21st, 2011 at 5:48 pm
GB7-
I think there’s a good chance of that happening. Not definite. But I can definitely see it depending on his development.
I remember back when he was drafted the proverbial question of who would be the “heir to Mo” came up and Brackman was one of the names I just threw out there.
Given his age, stuff and impending injury it seemed like the pen may wind up being the route for him.
We’ll see. I’m looking forward to seeing what he does this year. I hope he’s becoming more comfortable and is able to unleash more of his physical skills. Even last year I think control and command were such an issue for him that he had to prioritize them and hold something back.
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CB, it wasn’t until the Yanks put him into the bullpen the last few games in Charleston and then in Tampa that everything came together. 60 innings and 9 walks? That’s insane considering his 3 months prior to that. He didn’t sacrifice any stuff. 56 strikeouts. It held up last year as a starter, so he figured it out pretty fast.
I welcome the thought of Andrew Brackman as the next Yankee closer. Think of a righthanded Randy Johnson coming at hitters and almost on top of them by the time he finishes his pitches. Downright lethal.
Vineyard, no – he hates the Yankees, lol.
MG, Sid Rosenerg used to be on WFAN and lately he’s been guesting, esp. on the early shows. He was ok – I honestly can’t remember what he’s said about Thomas, lol.
Russo could be funny at times, no doubt -but I haven’t thought about him at all since he’s left. He’s no patch on Pete Franklin – that guy was nuts (but I still listened to him, lol)
Bojo-
You’re right as the pen can be mightier than the sword !
You can kill a person but you can never kill an idea.
Cool. Huh ?
My mistake…Brackman was in the bullpen in ’09, not ’10. I still like the idea of having The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms coming out of the pen.
WHOA? CNN reporter calling the Fox correspondant a liar for saying reporters were used as human shields, that the Fox team only sent out a technician with a camera and that the reporter from Fox doesn’t even go outside of the hotel.