Uncertainty in the outfield
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 22, 2011 
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The Yankees will find out tomorrow whether Curtis Granderson’s oblique injury is worth legitimate concern. Already this spring, the Yankees have seen one oblique injury take two or three days, another take roughly a week, and another take exactly two weeks.
In all three cases, the player in question — Sergio Mitre, Joba Chamberlain and Greg Golson — said the injury was not serious.
“The way (Granderson) was talking, it’s not that serious,” Andruw Jones said.
That’s obviously the best-case scenario. If Granderson is out for a couple of days, it’s a non-issue. If he’s out a couple of weeks, though, the Yankees might have to look into an extra outfielder to carry at the start of the regular season.
Colin Curtis might have been the perfect fit here.
As a left-handed hitter, Curtis would have been a nice compliment to the right-handed Jones, and he would have given the Yankees another option behind Brett Gardner in center field (I’m betting Curtis is better in center than Jones at this point).
Without Curtis, the Yankees still have two good options. Both Greg Golson and Justin Maxwell fit the profile of fourth/fifth outfielders who can play all three spots and offer some speed of the bench, but this is one situation in which a healthy Curtis might have jumped into roster contention.
If he can field well enough, I think Nunez is their best OF option after Jones, assuming Jones can still hit.
Hope it’s not serious for Granderson. Jones would be a big step down from Curtis.
# BoJo March 22nd, 2011 at 10:08 pm
AAO
Faith is keeping your belief when all signs point against it. It is a powerful thing.
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It is extremely powerful but I don’t think the Yankees are going to go down that road again. The circus would be to much from them to take. I still think he wants to start thought based on answers he’s given when it comes to replacing Mo.
Depends on whether they need a bat or a glove, or a bat and glove. If it’s just a glove and an occasional bat, I’d go with Mesa ot Brewer.
GB7
I have been wondering why they have kept Mesa up with the ML team so long. I know he is on the 40 man. I am wondering if it is to see what he can offer them either to the big league team or in a trade. I dont know if that made sense but I am sure you can figure out what I mean.
TY, other than the extra speed and glove, I would guess that he’s getting a lot of one-on-one with Kevin Long.
# J. Alfred Prufrock March 22nd, 2011 at 10:15 pm
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Exactly I’ve been down that road before. I seriously believe they have closed the chapter on him starting.
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If he’s bringing it free & easy all yr maybe the new guy with fresh, unbiased eyes wonders aloud why he’s not in the rotation. The weigh-in from a new decision maker in the fold who isn’t bogged down with the history of this strange thing may swing the day in our favor. Either way, we can continue to be internet instigators on the subject
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Yea Rothschild might be able to offer a different perspective on Joba and it seems like the Yankees believe in his methods. I know there were some fans that felt Larry would come to ST and be a supporter of Joba as a starter and let it be known but he’s still in the pen SMH lol. But hey Rome wasn’t built in a day.
I like Golson as the back-up if Grandy is out. Golson is great defensively and an excellent arm.
Grandy’s not a doctor, so I’ll wait until we hear back before I stop being concerned. I’ve no idea what’s up with the rash of oblique injuries, but it’s nothing to fool around with. He’s set for a great year, I think, so I hope he’ll be ok
GB
I like Mesa a lot, he does have power though he just needs to get his average up and strikeouts down. He is fast in center field, has a great arm and contrary to what he has shown in spring, he can steal bases. I would like to see him after a good spring of working with K-long but unfortunately he will be in Trenton.
also, not sure if you saw but on the last thread I posted that I saw DJ Mitchell today, he was throwing lots of strikes and I think he just allowed a walk and maybe a hit in 2 maybe 3 innings today, I was very impressed. Also, Brett Marshall was supposed to start for Tampa tomorrow but they bumped him up to start with Trenton, not that it means anything just interesting.
Fran the original March 22nd, 2011 at 10:23 pm
I like Golson as the back-up if Grandy is out. Golson is great defensively and an excellent arm.
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Fran, if he shows that he’s healthy, then Golson could be best. It’ll be interesting to watch…..as will the pitching battles.
A couple years ago, their exercise dude lost his job due to a rash of hamstring injuries. I wonder if this outbreak will raise the unemployment rate.
Thanks for whoever linked the RAB Good vs Bad Journalism.
The Good-Thanks to Jack Curry for writing about Austin Romine’s cousin Jordan Stanton. It makes me incredibly proud to be an American reading about Jordan. I am also incredibly sad for his family. I like Austin that much more, and will be rooting for him to be a longtime Yankee.
The Bad- is so incredibly bad, that I hope to never read anything by that author again. He is a disgrace to his profession. mschell has a great comment ( well except for the grizzley part )
http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....ism-45013/
TY, Marshall is one that I’d like to see again. He’s going to be special
Speaking of Curry, in part because of him, I the NYT Sports section used to be the first thing I read. Now, I read about every section of the paper but that one.
GB
just saw your reply. The hitters, at least for Scranton who I watched today were really good. Ray Kruml who I assume will be in Trenton because he was in Tampa last year, scored 2 runs that I was able to see. They were hitting them in the gaps and down the line. Myron Leslie hit a sharp liner to right field but wasnt able to score. It is hard to pay attention to the games when there is no scoreboard or someone telling you that a new batter is up. I lose focus too because I just turn around and watch the other team play and I turn back and they’ve switched. umm, I think Austin Krum had a few good hits too. Brackman pitched two innings and allowed a run on a ball hit deep to center.
# Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2011 at 10:27 pm
A couple years ago, their exercise dude lost his job due to a rash of hamstring injuries. I wonder if this outbreak will raise the unemployment rate.
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I remember that ST. Every couple of days someone else went down with a hamstring injury.
GB
I have been talking to Brett’s mom at the games, I have gained a new insight into who he is as a person and baseball player. He seems to be very determined from what she has said, he doesn’t fool around and wants to be the best. I am looking forward to watching him. They havent announced who is pitching where officially but I am sure that he will be in Tampa.
Thanks for the Kiddie Korps, TY.Saw your Mitchell update. Kruml is hard to figure out. Good speed, good glove, but has never hit as well as he should, Reminds me of Austin Krum.
Rich, me, too. The NY Times has become a Sox rag. Kepner’s very good, but I have no interest in reading him since he’s writing about other teams. I’m going to read the Curry article now, but as to Simers or whatever his name is, I hope Thames’ new teammates defended him or were at least properly outraged. .I know they don’t know him, but that’s disgraceful………I’ll bet that dope knows nothing of Thame’s mother and how she raised him.
I suspect that during the 2011 season, a few of the Yankees regulars will hit the DL, just like A-Rod, Granderson and Posada did last season.
Don’t just expect it, count on it.
As they have been 15 outta the last 16 seasons, they’ll be fine.
Yea Rothschild might be able to offer a different perspective on Joba and it seems like the Yankees believe in his methods. I know there were some fans that felt Larry would come to ST and be a supporter of Joba as a starter and let it be known but he’s still in the pen SMH lol. But hey Rome wasn’t built in a day.
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Odds, Joba’s pace on the mound feels like it’s 2008 all over again & location on FB is back. Agree Rome wasn’t built in a day & Rothschild may privately feel as we do but you’re not going to come into a new situation & assert yrself on a subject that is so loaded.
There would be nothing wrong with the Yanks having a change of heart after adjustments made confirmed themselves over a longer period of time. They wouldn’t appear fickle, they could make some grandstand about Joba having learned his lessons well, blah, blah, blah. Let’s give Rothschild some time to leaven the dough & of course, Joba has to stay healthy this yr & clean with his mechanics.
Let’s also not forget that Joba made a crucial adjustment on his own that anticipated Rothschild’s suggestion. The gentlemen are in sync.
Kevin Youkilis past 3 seasons
383 games, 1644 PA, .308/.404/.560 .964 OPS, 147 OPS+
I have always been a big A-Rod guy, but Youk is an excellent ballplayer in his own right.
Wow, that was some article by Curry……..what a waste of a life
# J. Alfred Prufrock March 22nd, 2011 at 10:24 pm
West Coast Yankee Fan March 22nd, 2011 at 10:00 pm
I love the way a comment from Joba all of a sudden becomes the gospel and takes precedent over the Yankees medical personnel and baseball professionals. Now his shoulder injury was imaginary. And Eiland becomes the whipping boy and excuse de jour for all that ailed any Yankee pitcher. What nonsense.
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Dave Eiland, Martyr. Um, naah. & Joba should kinda sorta know what his own bleepin’ shoulder feels like. He didn’t say he never had the tendinitis, he said he never had a shoulder injury (tendinitis ain’t an injury) & that his shoulder was never a problem.
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This is probably the second time Joba has suggested that his shoulder wasn’t a problem. The line is drawn in the sand who crosses first lol
TY, Marshall has always seemed to be pretty serious about his pitching. Never saw him in Charleston or Tampa when he didn’t have a baseball in his hand. He has all of the pitches and his fastball is starting to pick up speed and movemont with every start. Love his future. Just a guess, but, as the Scranton and Trenton pitchers move up/traded or get injured, Marshall is in Trenton by July.
What gets me is that that garbage article on Thames had to pass some editors desk before it was printed…..and that it did.
Hope Grandy is ok….night all
If you think the story about Romine is sad, which it is, you should check out this tearjerker about Chad Cordero losing his 3 month old to SIDS
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....story.html
Night Blake……..
GB
as much as people dislike Mitre, Brett’s mom has said that he has become friends with him this spring and last season when they were both rehabbing in Tampa. She said that hes been a good role model to him and hes learned a lot. Just interesting to hear that maybe fans dislike Mitre but the young pitchers seem to like him.
This is probably the second time Joba has suggested that his shoulder wasn’t a problem. The line is drawn in the sand who crosses first lol
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LOL. The kid is tough & refuses to be backed into a corner. Love it.
# J. Alfred Prufrock March 22nd, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Yea Rothschild might be able to offer a different perspective on Joba and it seems like the Yankees believe in his methods. I know there were some fans that felt Larry would come to ST and be a supporter of Joba as a starter and let it be known but he’s still in the pen SMH lol. But hey Rome wasn’t built in a day.
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Odds, Joba’s pace on the mound feels like it’s 2008 all over again & location on FB is back. Agree Rome wasn’t built in a day & Rothschild may privately feel as we do but you’re not going to come into a new situation & assert yrself on a subject that is so loaded.
There would be nothing wrong with the Yanks having a change of heart after adjustments made confirmed themselves over a longer period of time. They wouldn’t appear fickle, they could make some grandstand about Joba having learned his lessons well, blah, blah, blah. Let’s give Rothschild some time to leaven the dough & of course, Joba has to stay healthy this yr & clean with his mechanics.
Let’s also not forget that Joba made a crucial adjustment on his own that anticipated Rothschild’s suggestion. The gentlemen are in sync.
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True they are in sync and we might as well see how this thing plays out. I’m just trying to temper my enthusiasm. Don’t get me wrong I’m going to be rooting for him but I can’t get excited when he’s pitching in middle relief knowing he’s nothing more than a spare part going forward.
I love the new mechanics. He does seem to have his swagger back
Are you guys talking about TJ Simers? He’s so bad, I don’t even need to read whatever you guys are talking about. He’s a hack. A waste of time.
Cashman said that Joba has not been the same since injuring his shoulder in Texas.
Which is obvious.
People have read into that to mean the reason he has not been the same since 08 in Texas is because of his shoulder. However, Cashman never explicitly said that.
Tyanks, I just read that – I have tears in my eyes. How heartbreaking………..and the cops treating them like criminals is sick. I don’t understand SIDS………..
# J. Alfred Prufrock March 22nd, 2011 at 10:47 pm
This is probably the second time Joba has suggested that his shoulder wasn’t a problem. The line is drawn in the sand who crosses first lol
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LOL. The kid is tough & refuses to be backed into a corner. Love it.
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Nobody puts Joba in a corner
M, yes – he sounds like a mean-spirited hack. I hope Thames thrives out there.
Sad story about the Cordero baby.
# Fran the original March 22nd, 2011 at 10:52 pm
Sad story about the Cordero baby.
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Definitely a said story to have your child lose their life at that age.
Betsy
SIDS freaks me out. I work with babies, some of which are really young and the thought of a baby dying of SIDS in my care would probably throw me over the deep end. I dont know how families deal with losing a baby that young. There really isnt any way to prevent it or know if it will affect your baby, just makes me never want to have kids because I wouldnt be able to deal with it.
tyanksfan36 March 22nd, 2011 at 10:47 pm
GB
as much as people dislike Mitre, Brett’s mom has said that he has become friends with him this spring and last season when they were both rehabbing in Tampa. She said that hes been a good role model to him and hes learned a lot. Just interesting to hear that maybe fans dislike Mitre but the young pitchers seem to like him.
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TY, I’ve never understood the reason why some on here outwardly hope that certain players fail, get hurt and run off. I realize that a few of them are more interested in being able to gloat and say “I told you so”, and others are idiots and trolls, but, as I said, too many are more than happy to be right about failure. Posada, Jeter, Mitre, Cervelli,Chamberlain, Burnett, Colon, Garcia…..the stupidity of it is beyond me.
I’m going to be rooting for him but I can’t get excited when he’s pitching in middle relief knowing he’s nothing more than a spare part going forward.
I love the new mechanics. He does seem to have his swagger back
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Odds, I just listened to today’s interview for the first time. There’s a different tone in Joba’s voice. Never heard it before. He means business this season & he’s quite the Rothschild disciple. This is the beginning of a beautiful relationship.
Tyanks, I was scared of this when my nieces and nephews were young. WFAN used to (I think they still do) do a SIDS-athon to raise money for research to prevent it because one of the sports update guys (I believe) had a daughter who died from SIDS
“as much as people dislike Mitre, Brett’s mom has said that he has become friends with him this spring ”
Brett who? Marshall?
GB
here is a link to the workout groups from this week. Interesting to see who they have placed where preliminarily.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Y-7J...../Scan1.BMP
youll have to click on it and zoom in since its illegible the way it is.
TY, Mitre isn’t as talented as some others, but, while fighting injuries, as long as he’s been a Yankee, he’s done anything the Yanks have asked and no complaints. He must have made friends with Marshall while he was in minor league camp, rehabbing. Seems like a nice young guy, and great that he took it on his own to work with and help Marshall.
Eroc
yes, Marshall
# J. Alfred Prufrock March 22nd, 2011 at 10:58 pm
I’m going to be rooting for him but I can’t get excited when he’s pitching in middle relief knowing he’s nothing more than a spare part going forward.
I love the new mechanics. He does seem to have his swagger back
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Odds, I just listened to today’s interview for the first time. There’s a different tone in Joba’s voice. Never heard it before. He means business this season & he’s quite the Rothschild disciple. This is the beginning of a beautiful relationship.
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Yea he does seem more focused especially on the mound it’s like I’m here to get outs anyway I can.
LGY March 22nd, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Cashman said that Joba has not been the same since injuring his shoulder in Texas.
Which is obvious.
People have read into that to mean the reason he has not been the same since 08 in Texas is because of his shoulder. However, Cashman never explicitly said that.
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you sound like Schultz trying to explain Colonel Klink.
Joba just needs to get a haircut, the mullet thing is just not working for him. Actually, it doesnt work for anyone.
LGY,
Once and, probably, for all: Youk is a great player. Alex Rodriguez is an immortal player. In his own stratosphere.
I will take Alex Rodriguez 10 times out of 10, no questions asked. He will be a MONSTER this year.
# tyanksfan36 March 22nd, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Joba just needs to get a haircut, the mullet thing is just not working for him. Actually, it doesnt work for anyone.
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It worked for Hughes last yr.
Thanks for the work lists, TY. Some interesting pairings. Really surprised that Muruszak is learning to catch. I was hoping that his bat would come around after his GCL start. Still time, though.
tyanksfan36 March 22nd, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Joba just needs to get a haircut, the mullet thing is just not working for him. Actually, it doesnt work for anyone.
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Nah I like that big and sloppy look on Joba. It’s a Goose-like I-don’t-give-a-bleep-what-you-think-of-me look. Joba on Joba’s terms. That’s how it’s gonna be from now on
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Betsy
back in 2008, the kicker for the Tampa Bay Bucs lost his son to SIDS. I think he started a charity after it happened. The only good that comes of bad things happening to people in the public is that they have the platform to raise awareness.
“you sound like Schultz trying to explain Colonel Klink.”
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You mean explaining the truth?
Where is the quote from Cashman saying Joba’s shoulder is injured or a problem?
Once and, probably, for all: Youk is a great player. Alex Rodriguez is an immortal player. In his own stratosphere.
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yup.
Need a LH hitter on the roster if Granderson is out
Looking at the first 10 games of the season… lots of RHP we’ll be projected to face: Verlander, Scherzer, Porcello, Blackburn, Baker, Pavano, Lackey, Buchholz, Beckett.
“Alex Rodriguez is an immortal player. In his own stratosphere.
I will take Alex Rodriguez 10 times out of 10, no questions asked. He will be a MONSTER this year.”
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Did I ever disagree with this?
GB
I think they are trying to turn Maruszak into a super utility player. I wasnt aware either that Myron Leslie has put in time at catcher, the guy is huge. I saw Gary Sanchez yesterday, he was a lot bigger than I expected. The next time I go up to the fields I am going to watch Charleston play. They are the only team I havent watched yet.
Have a good night all.
See you tomorrow.
You mean explaining the truth?
Where is the quote from Cashman saying Joba’s shoulder is injured or a problem?
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WHERE??? WHERE is that quote?? WHERE!!!!!
Um, I think it’s safe to say that we are to infer the connection between “never the same” & shoulder “injury” & by the way, the player said he never suffered a shoulder “injury.”
& sorry about the Schultz/Klink reference. I’m guessing you’re about 25 years younger than me & probably don’t know what the hell that is.
“Um, I think it’s safe to say that we are to infer the connection between “never the same” & shoulder “injury” & by the way”
Why is it safe to infer this?
Joba has never been the same since the shoulder injury. It has been said a million times. I have said it myself numerous times.
It is a statement of fact.
“the player said he never suffered a shoulder “injury.”
Are you claiming that Joba did not injure his shoulder in Texas in 2008?
Tendinitis is not an “injury”.
Tendinitis is not an “injury”.
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So Joba was placed on the DL with a NON-injury?
Where is the quote that Joba says he never suffered an injury?
Where is the quote from a doctor saying tendinitis is not an injury?
TY, I knew about Leslie playing everywhere, but, he;s close to 30, so, can’t see him ever doing much. I think he’s even pitched. That was a mistake they made with Shelly Duncan. He could have had a lot of value if he had learned to become a passible emergency catcher.
LGY, he said it. I heard him say it, & it was discussed here at some length between I believe Bojo, Odds, Trisha, Yankeefeminista & myself. I don’t have the quote handy, but knock yourself out.
LGY, he said it. I heard him say it
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I have read everything Joba has said recently and he never said that.
He said the shoulder has not been an issue.
I have never seen him say he never suffered an injury in 2008.
The shoulder was never an issue, so I was never worried about that, I was never worried about, health-wise, anything on that.”
On whether he’s felt the same since the shoulder injury:
“I’ve never been in the same spot so I’m always trying to figure out what works for me, making the adjustments on the fly. I’ve had to learn to pitch in the big leagues. I’m trying to make adjustments but still trying to get outs. This is the first year where I’ve had the opportunity to look back at the times I’ve been in the bullpen, the times I’ve been a starter, to know the whole year that’s where I’m going to be. I just took bits and pieces that were effective for me from the years before. The shoulder was never an issue, so I was never worried about that, I was never worried about, health-wise, anything on that.”
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....more-time/
The also have the audio
So, where in there does Joba say he never suffered an injury?
GB
I know that Leslie became a free agent this past winter and they brought him back. I guess that means they like him as an organizational player. He is like Jorge Vazquez in that he is old in baseball age but he still has something that they like, they also both play a decent first base and can hit bombs.
yawn
Um, the shoulder was never an issue isn’t stark enough for ya? Ok.
TY, never a problem with having players like Leslie or vazquez in the system. They’re always helpful and if willing, they’re a good chance that they may help the younger players.
yankeefeminista March 22nd, 2011 at 11:24 pm
yawn
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the quibbles bore me, too. What’s relevant is Joba feels great & looks great and is defying reports of his demise.
GB
oh yeah, not that it is at all relevant to anything but for the second half of today’s Trenton game, they had Corban Joseph acting as the first base coach. They let the players do it a few times in Tampa last season, funny to see.
I’d like to see more of Joseph. Now that he has gone to API, I think w/his new conditioning, he will have a great year, as long as the bulk doesn’t affect his agility/quickness. He was hurt, so I didn’t really get to see him at Trenton last year. How’d Corban look to you, tyf?
I think that Joba meant that the shoulder wasn’t the “issue” that caused his pitching problems since (insert date). In his mind it was mechanics, which can we agree, might be affected by an extended period of rest for something like shoulder tendinitis.
“Um, the shoulder was never an issue isn’t stark enough for ya? Ok.”
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Context, please?
On whether he’s felt the same since the shoulder injury:
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/tag/brian-cashman/
The shoulder was never an issue is Joba saying that his struggles since he INJURED his shoulder in 2008 have had nothing to do with his shoulder.
Joba never says he never injured his shoulder. That would be ridiculous to say that. He went on the DL for a shoulder injury. It happened.
“the quibbles bore me, too.”
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You have created this whole narrative that has gone on for a month now.
You constantly bring this issue up about Joba, but there is no truth to it.
I’m sorry if I ruined this fake Joba v Cashman disagreement in the media over his shoulder for you Prufrock
Joba has said absolutely nothing to contradict Cashman.
The shoulder was never an issue, so I was never worried about that, I was never worried about, health-wise, anything on that.”
NEVER is a long, long, long time. Never, said THREE times, is never-never land. Joba’s “never” flies in the face of the GM’s tidy comment that he’s never been the same. But lo! Look where he rises!
Ok, this again. Bottom line is Cashman has said Joba lost the velo b/c of the shoulder injury. Joba has said he lost the velo b/c of mechanical issues and not the shoulder injury. Cash says shoulder. Joba says mechanical. OK, end of discussion.
I realize that Joba was not off for too long. He came back that season and pitched the next season as a starter.
But if there was a doubt or hint of worry about damaging his shoulder, he might have subconsciously made subtle changes in his delivery that caused him to lose velocity and be less effective than he was pre-injury.
Corban Joseph, anyone?
Gardner can’t hit lefties anyone?
You have created this whole narrative that has gone on for a month now.
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Sure. What Joba said, & essentially repeated today, firmly lines up behind what his GM said. Sure it does.
yankeefem
on sunday I think he got at least one hit from what I was able to see. I am probably going up again on saturday or sunday. now that I have a roster I will actually be able to tell who is who. I am also planning on eventually keeping some kind of score of the games so I actually know who has done what. it has just been so hot and ive been talking to people so I only catch little bits of the games. Today I watched Scranton so I dont really know what Trenton was doing.
“Ok, this again. Bottom line is Cashman has said Joba lost the velo b/c of the shoulder injury. Joba has said he lost the velo b/c of mechanical issues and not the shoulder injury. Cash says shoulder. Joba says mechanical. OK, end of discussion.”
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No, Cashman did not say that.
“He used to throw 95-plus from pitch one as a starter. He doesn’t do that now.”
You guys have read the word because into all of Cashman’s statements. He has never attributed any of it to his shoulder injury.
# m March 22nd, 2011 at 11:37 pm
I realize that Joba was not off for too long. He came back that season and pitched the next season as a starter.
But if there was a doubt or hint of worry about damaging his shoulder, he might have subconsciously made subtle changes in his delivery that caused him to lose velocity and be less effective than he was pre-injury.
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Maybe he did do that. Remember the talk about the tick he had in his delivery. Although I have heard fans suggest Eiland adjusted his mechanics coming back from the injury.
ankeefeminista March 22nd, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Ok, this again. Bottom line is Cashman has said Joba lost the velo b/c of the shoulder injury. Joba has said he lost the velo b/c of mechanical issues and not the shoulder injury. Cash says shoulder. Joba says mechanical. OK, end of discussion.
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I was more interested in being effusive about how good Chamberlain looks. Bottom line, Joba is dealing & he seems to have a pitching coach who can actually help him get back to where he needs to be.
Prufrock,
Joba went on the DL in 2008 with rotator cuff tendinitis. Are you really saying that never happened?
In response to whether he has felt the same since that tendinitis, he says the shoulder has never been an issue.
This is basic reading comprehension.
# LGY March 22nd, 2011 at 11:42 pm
“Ok, this again. Bottom line is Cashman has said Joba lost the velo b/c of the shoulder injury. Joba has said he lost the velo b/c of mechanical issues and not the shoulder injury. Cash says shoulder. Joba says mechanical. OK, end of discussion.”
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No, Cashman did not say that.
“He used to throw 95-plus from pitch one as a starter. He doesn’t do that now.”
You guys have read the word because into all of Cashman’s statements. He has never attributed any of it to his shoulder injury.
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Well then Cashman should come out and clear the air because that’s how a majority of fans took it.
“I don’t think his stuff is the same since he hurt himself in Texas. He used to be a guy who threw the same as a starter and as a reliever. He threw the high-octane 94-99 and you saw it in the first inning as a starter as well as what out of the bullpen,”
LGY what are you arguing about?
http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....ury-41935/
Joba Chamberlain has not been the same pitcher since that shoulder injury in 2008.
All Cashman has done is list the differences.
He has never given a reason for those differences and applied causal effect between the injury and the changes in Joba.
tyanksfan36 March 22nd, 2011 at 11:41 pm
yankeefem
on sunday I think he got at least one hit from what I was able to see. I am probably going up again on saturday or sunday. now that I have a roster I will actually be able to tell who is who. I am also planning on eventually keeping some kind of score of the games so I actually know who has done what. it has just been so hot and ive been talking to people so I only catch little bits of the games. Today I watched Scranton so I dont really know what Trenton was doing.
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Sounds good, but I would enjoy the nuances of the games and the interaction if I were you.
Only thing I read about today’s Trenton game is that Heyer pitched well, inducing multiple ground outs.
I can’t wait until the boys venture North. But you should have a heckuva team at Tampa.
My Yanks tickets arrive tomorrow. Can’t wait to see them.
8 days till Opening Day.
See, Lohud can devolve into tedious debates based on semantics without me.
I just add to the tedious debates based on semantics.
The answer is somewhere in between. My 11:37 post makes a lot of sense, so I’m declaring myself the winner.
“All Cashman has done is list the differences
He has never given a reason for those differences and applied causal effect between the injury and the changes in Joba”
Sorry, Cashman directly attributes the differences to the injury. Just read RAB post I linked.
I’m declaring Joba the winner (Rothschild gets honorable mention).
It is only about winning on the field. The rest is noise.
Good night guys.
Keep the talk going until I wake up tomorrow lol
I have no idea what the truth is, but if Joba said the shoulder was an issue, it could potentially cost him money at some point.
Yankeefem
I have ADD so I dont do well paying attention especially when there is no scoreboard and no announcement of who is coming to bat. When the season starts and the flow of the game is back to normal then I will be able to pay better attention to what is going on.
I am really going to miss my 2010 team but I know I will have fun learning about and rooting for my 2011 team. You will have to update me on how my Suttle, Joseph and pitchers are doing and I will let you know how Jose Ramirez does.
if you really want to do something involving semantics, I have a paper on semantics that I am working on now that id rather pass off to someone else.
Tar,
Cashman says, “I don’t think his stuff is the same since he hurt himself in Texas.”
This has been obvious to basically every Yankee fan for 2 years. This does not attribute it to his shoulder.
It is a statement of the reality that Joba is not the same since he walked off the mound in Texas.
What difference does it make what Joba says or doesn’t say. The bottom line is that he hurt his shoulder and was out for 30 days and his stats the following year were far worse than before the shoulder “issue”.
Not to mention, the reality is that Joba is a middle reliever, a sixth or seventh inning guy. He couldn’t even hold down the eighth inning slot when given the opportunity. Blaming Eiland? Come on.
He is not a starter and if there is anyone who wants to make a wager that he won’t be for the Yankees, let me know.
LGY
I am dropping it. I am tired and need to save all my ammo for our Jeter battles.
Have a good night all.
tyanksfan36 March 22nd, 2011 at 11:53 pm
Yankeefem
I have ADD so I dont do well paying attention especially when there is no scoreboard and no announcement of who is coming to bat. When the season starts and the flow of the game is back to normal then I will be able to pay better attention to what is going on.
I am really going to miss my 2010 team but I know I will have fun learning about and rooting for my 2011 team. You will have to update me on how my Suttle, Joseph and pitchers are doing and I will let you know how Jose Ramirez does.
b/c you said you never get these kind of giveaways down there: http://thunderbaseball.wordpre.....-be-there/
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Sounds good about J-Ram, and Brett Marshall updates, please. If you do a good job, and I go to the game, I will get a reward
Seriously though, I enjoy reading your blog and I have thought about doing a prospects blog for a while, but either way, I will give you solid reports on the Trenton boys you mentioned above. I have to say, I am spoiled rotten by Trenton pitching going back to Hughes, but we have been starved for “O.” I cannot wait to the above position players in the mix.
get a reward for you, I meant to say
Via Bryan Hoch – Historic film clip of Ruth and Gehrig found.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....um=twitter
*until* ugh, too many typos, sorry…
If you listen to Joba’s interivew from today, there’s a calm assurance in his tone I have never heard from him before. It seems like a light has gone on within & that Joba is now the authority on Joba.
He has with the help of Rothschild really found something. He looks a lot like that young starter of 2008. The fact that he is in the bullpen, while the Yankees contemplate a fifth starter, grows more ridiculous with each Chamberlain appearance.
tyanksfan36 March 22nd, 2011 at 11:54 pm
if you really want to do something involving semantics, I have a paper on semantics that I am working on now that id rather pass off to someone else.
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Semantics are only interesting in relation to sociology or cultural studies, but not when it comes to baseball.
If Joba and AJ both take a step forward, you would have to wonder why they kept Eiland around so long.
West Coast Yankee Fan March 23rd, 2011 at 12:01 am
Via Bryan Hoch – Historic film clip of Ruth and Gehrig found.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl…..um=twitter
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Yep, saw this on nyy.
Not to mention, the reality is that Joba is a middle reliever, a sixth or seventh inning guy. He couldn’t even hold down the eighth inning slot when given the opportunity.
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WC this is rather hollow. You don’t seem to allow the shifts in “reality” to inform your stances. Joba is a “middle reliever” in label only, not in ability.
Yankeefem
that is totally cool. Have you seen my Banuelos/Betances shadow box? I seriously need a dual bobble head to go with it. Yeah, tampa doesnt have the best giveways but apparently they will be giving out a Jeter bobblehead at the end of the season, ill believe that one when I see it.
you can guest post on my blog if you want. I find it much more meaningful to report from the games I go to than the ones I watch on TV so a regular Yankees blog doesnt make sense. I also wanted to do one on the Tampa Yankees since they dont get much coverage at all.
my goal this year is to find someone that can explain pitching to me, just today the people behind me in the stands were commenting on Mitchell’s sinking curveball etc. I just dont see it.
Suttle and Mesa are good hitters, I enjoyed watching them.
I am still shocked that stuckey has not jumped into this debate.
West Coast Yankee Fan March 23rd, 2011 at 12:01 am
Via Bryan Hoch – Historic film clip of Ruth and Gehrig found.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl…..um=twitter
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I heard about this film in someone’s basement. Thanks for posting.
“WC this is rather hollow. You don’t seem to allow the shifts in “reality” to inform your stances. Joba is a “middle reliever” in label only, not in ability.”
It’s also absurd. The kid is 25. His future is still quite mutable.
Rich in NJ March 23rd, 2011 at 12:06 am
If Joba and AJ both take a step forward, you would have to wonder why they kept Eiland around so long.
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Incompetent or mediocre people occupy posts all the time. The beauty is, the Yanks may have found the pitching coach equivalent of Kevin Long.
Rich in NJ March 23rd, 2011 at 12:10 am
“WC this is rather hollow. You don’t seem to allow the shifts in “reality” to inform your stances. Joba is a “middle reliever” in label only, not in ability.”
It’s also absurd. The kid is 25. His future is still quite mutable.
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For reasons I don’t care to speculate on, some people just don’t like the status quo disturbed. It also doesn’t help that Joba has been defined by the Yankees as an arm that can’t be redeemed as a starter, which was just a silly public stance to take, even if they believed it.
“I am still shocked that stuckey has not jumped into this debate.”
I ran out of plutonium for the Delorean and was unable to get back to 2009.
tyanksfan36 March 23rd, 2011 at 12:09 am
Yankeefem
that is totally cool. Have you seen my Banuelos/Betances shadow box? I seriously need a dual bobble head to go with it. Yeah, tampa doesnt have the best giveways but apparently they will be giving out a Jeter bobblehead at the end of the season, ill believe that one when I see it.
you can guest post on my blog if you want. I find it much more meaningful to report from the games I go to than the ones I watch on TV so a regular Yankees blog doesnt make sense. I also wanted to do one on the Tampa Yankees since they dont get much coverage at all.
my goal this year is to find someone that can explain pitching to me, just today the people behind me in the stands were commenting on Mitchell’s sinking curveball etc. I just dont see it.
Suttle and Mesa are good hitters, I enjoyed watching them.
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I just took a peek. Are you referring to the boxed signed balls? Yes, I will get you a dual bobble to add if I attend. I should be going unless I go down to Baltimore to see the Yanks series down there.
Yes, it is great that you cover Tampa, as the coverage is pitiful. I too would have a prospects blog if I started one, mainly Trenton but the occasional in game observations from when the Dogs are at Lakewood and SWB is at Lehigh Valley. Yes, I would love to guest blog for you even if I have something “up” by then.
Pitchers are great fun. You should definitely learn about them. You can always watch video online to learn, but I am sure you can also have someone teach you while you watch. Show you the grips even. I am sure you can figure pitches out if you make the effort. It adds a lot to watching the game. Did you say you are going to shoot video?
I think the answer was supplied by Joba himself when he alluded to his inconsistent mechanics which has plagued him on and off for several seasons…..This has been the underlying debate over the past few seasons…….And I still maintain in the end that is why he’s in the bullpen……
J. Alfred Prufrock March 23rd, 2011 at 12:13 am
Rich in NJ March 23rd, 2011 at 12:06 am
If Joba and AJ both take a step forward, you would have to wonder why they kept Eiland around so long.
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Incompetent or mediocre people occupy posts all the time. The beauty is, the Yanks may have found the pitching coach equivalent of Kevin Long.
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But can Kevin Long outdo Kevin Long by fixing Melky Mesa and Golson? That is the question.
Pat M
Even if it is strictly mechanics, it doesn’t explain, as JAP pointed out, why Cash has said that starting is now out of the question. In support of that assertion he said that it was because Joba’s velo is greater out of the pen (what starter’s isn’t?), and that his velo hasn’t been the same since the shoulder injury.
So either Cash is lying, or is clueless, or is engaged in some inexplicable mind game.
Or the should injury is real and has had consequences.
Yankeefem
yes I am planning on shooting video and posting it to my youtube. I may even post some video from these spring training games if I remember to grab my camera. Ill have to look into online videos to learn pitches but I am sure there will be someone there that can explain them to me. Where is the ideal place to sit to recognize pitches? I normally sit behind the on deck circle so I see the pitch go from pitcher to catcher from the side. All the pitches look the same to me from there.
I am hoping that I will be able to keep the blog going during the first month of the season because its crunch time with school. By May I will be able to go to every game. I am going to try different things like focusing on one position player for a night, focus on their offense and defense. Once I get a better handle on pitching then I will do an “anatomy of an at-bat” sort of thing. I can sit behind the scouts and players charting pitches to see the pitch speed since they dont show it on the scoreboard.
If you go to that game it would be so cool to have that bobblehead. I could add it to my shelf.
This is the shadow box I made:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-49WY.....4-1857.jpg
also, I got the cards so I will shoot Chad an email to pass along my information to you so I can send them to you. One for you to keep and get signed and one to send back to me.
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But can Kevin Long outdo Kevin Long by fixing Melky Mesa and Golson? That is the question.
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Fem, the little I’ve seen of Mesa (all off TV & computer this spring) makes me want to see more. he had a couple of grabs in center that made my eyes pop out. Golson is hands down the best defensive OF the Yanks have. Those two kids, with their coverage & great arms, need to be get some real attention from KLong. Little bit too much BJ Upton in both at the plate. Not much discernment.
Hey Pat
I know you played pretty high level baseball and spent a lot of time working with kids. If you’d be so kind can you explain the bad hitting mechanics as in excess activity in at bats. Is there a reason for it? Right from Swisher to Granderson to Mesa. I’m lost, is it just if it works don’t fix it or what?
Rich in NJ….When I read Cashman’s comments last month my reaction was that he wants to just put the subject to bed……Although Joba has been more and more vocal in his rejection to Cashman’s claim…….I just believe that the Front Office wants to make the starting issue a non issue…….Then why the charade about Joba being a candidate last spring and why was Joba in the 09 rotation ???? If Joba was to dedicate his mind and body to being a starter with another organization and given that opportunity he very well could get back on track as a rotation candidate…….
I can’t follow this argument. Its confusing me. Is someone saying we didn’t land on the moon?
Is like that War of the Worlds thing and Cashman has just created a fake shoulder injury to scare everyone?
So either Cash is lying, or is clueless, or is engaged in some inexplicable mind game.
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My guess is that Cashman put that narrative out there to support a decision he himself didn’t arrive at independently, but deferred to others on, regarding Joba Chamberlain. Not long ago, he was staunchly of the Joba is a Starter mindset. He changed his tune virtually overnight. Someone (Eppler, Eiland?) persuaded the about face.
Yankfem if you’re still in circulation, I see Abe Almonte is back from his injury, lost some weight & says his shoulder feels better than ever. This is the guy I want to see. He was flying high when he went down.
Bo Knows……If I had that information I may have hung around the game longer……But bottom line is staying balanced with an uncomplicated & comfortable tempo……Much like every elite golfer’s swing differs until the zone of impact…..The slightest variance throws the entire process off…..A tennis players serve which has been set to muscle memory can be just a fraction off and you suffer a double fault…..Hitting differs because of the guessing factor which will throw off your timing….Knuckleball pitchers are the quickest route to a slump even if you go 4 for 4…….Most great hitting coaches were not very good hitters however they can apply tempo and balance to suit each individual….Charlie Lau was an exception……Bo I just placed myself in a state of confusion, however Ted Williams book ” The Science of Hitting ” should be mandatory reading for all baseball fans………Bottom line, keep in simple
Face….Believe it or not, the world isn’t defined in black and white……
JAP
I saw Almonte yesterday I believe, he looked good. I had never seen him before but he nearly beat the ball to first. Very speedy. Mesa is a great ballplayer as well, I have tried to catch the games he has been in and I saw him make that great catch in center field the other day. He has a lot of speed, and a strong arm. He hopefully will only get better with the bat since he has power he just needs to work on getting more consistent contact. There’s a reason that he was the FSL player of the year, he was a pleasure to watch last season.
tyanksfan36 March 23rd, 2011 at 12:37 am
Yankeefem
yes I am planning on shooting video and posting it to my youtube. I may even post some video from these spring training games if I remember to grab my camera. Ill have to look into online videos to learn pitches but I am sure there will be someone there that can explain them to me. Where is the ideal place to sit to recognize pitches? I normally sit behind the on deck circle so I see the pitch go from pitcher to catcher from the side. All the pitches look the same to me from there.
I am hoping that I will be able to keep the blog going during the first month of the season because its crunch time with school. By May I will be able to go to every game. I am going to try different things like focusing on one position player for a night, focus on their offense and defense. Once I get a better handle on pitching then I will do an “anatomy of an at-bat” sort of thing. I can sit behind the scouts and players charting pitches to see the pitch speed since they dont show it on the scoreboard.
If you go to that game it would be so cool to have that bobblehead. I could add it to my shelf.
This is the shadow box I made:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-49WY…..4-1857.jpg
also, I got the cards so I will shoot Chad an email to pass along my information to you so I can send them to you. One for you to keep and get signed and one to send back to me.
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Oh, OK. I now understand. Yes, it looks good, and if I get the dual bobbles they will complement it. As for autographs, Honestly, I don’t normally ask people for their autographs. So, as I’ve said, if Manny sits in front of me or if I go to fanfest and he’s accessible I will do what I can.
I sit about 5 rows up behind the plate, but you can see pitches pretty much from anywhere once you learn how to recognize them.
All the Yanks need do is get into swing with the times & admit they may have been hasty on Chamberlain. Where’s the shame in that? The velocity Cashman opined “we may never see again” is not really the point. He’s throwing 94, 95 in March. Time to rip up the script and start over.
Perhaps Chamberlain’s arm/shoulder is finally strong and healthy after two years. If it is, it’ll so in the next couple of months and they can start letting him pitch more as a longman and continue stretching him out, whether in NY or with a fake injury and rehab to finish getting him ready for a start.
tyanksfan36 March 23rd, 2011 at 1:04 am
JAP
I saw Almonte yesterday I believe, he looked good. I had never seen him before but he nearly beat the ball to first. Very speedy. Mesa is a great ballplayer as well, I have tried to catch the games he has been in and I saw him make that great catch in center field the other day. He has a lot of speed, and a strong arm. He hopefully will only get better with the bat since he has power he just needs to work on getting more consistent contact. There’s a reason that he was the FSL player of the year, he was a pleasure to watch last season.
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Are you sure it was Abe & not Zoilo Almonte? If so I’d dig updates as they avail themselves. Mesa is not only speedy he’s some specimen. If he could pick up the offspeed stuff we might see him in the not too far future.
J. Alfred Prufrock March 23rd, 2011 at 12:59 am
Yankfem if you’re still in circulation, I see Abe Almonte is back from his injury, lost some weight & says his shoulder feels better than ever. This is the guy I want to see. He was flying high when he went down.
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He was on raking when he got hurt. He’s still only 21, but he needs to put it together in 2011. I think he will have a big year if he can stay healthy. He also lost a ton of weight.
subtract “on”
yankeefeminista March 23rd, 2011 at 1:13 am
J. Alfred Prufrock March 23rd, 2011 at 12:59 am
Yankfem if you’re still in circulation, I see Abe Almonte is back from his injury, lost some weight & says his shoulder feels better than ever. This is the guy I want to see. He was flying high when he went down.
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He was on raking when he got hurt. He’s still only 21, but he needs to put it together in 2011. I think he will have a big year if he can stay healthy. He also lost a ton of weight.
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You think he’ll be in Tampa for the yr?
Yankeefem
Well that’s all I ask. Honestly though, you will want to ask him. He is very sweet, great smile and everything. He was the only one at the yankees/orioles game I went to when I sat over the dugout that signed for people who weren’t on the ends, he walked all down the dugout and signed every ball and picture that was thrown to him with a big smile on his face.
If that’s not your thing then I understand.
Ill work on looking up pitching videos this weekend, I should try to make friends with one of the pitchers that sit behind the screen and chart them lol. They would know best.
He’ll be in Tampa to start, and should end up in Trenton.
Face….Believe it or not, the world isn’t defined in black and white……
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So are you saying that Joba did or did not hurt his shoulder?
Face……What I will say is this, Joba isn’t buying what Cashman was selling last month to the media…..
JAP
It was Abe, Zoilo wasn’t in that game I believe he is with Trenton. If I remember correctly, Abe was with Tampa yesterday but it could have been today with Scranton, I get my days mixed up. Ill make sure to pay attention if he gets into another game and let you know how he does.
I have some strong opinions on this Joba matter, but I’m too busy posting away on the LoHud Knicks blog about this 2OT Lakers-Suns game.
tyanksfan36 March 23rd, 2011 at 1:16 am
Yankeefem
Well that’s all I ask. Honestly though, you will want to ask him. He is very sweet, great smile and everything. He was the only one at the yankees/orioles game I went to when I sat over the dugout that signed for people who weren’t on the ends, he walked all down the dugout and signed every ball and picture that was thrown to him with a big smile on his face.
If that’s not your thing then I understand.
Ill work on looking up pitching videos this weekend, I should try to make friends with one of the pitchers that sit behind the screen and chart them lol. They would know best.
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Yes, I can see he is very sweet because I have sat right behind him and Brackman, charting pitches, at my three Betances games. No one but me actually knew who he was. People would come over once in a while to get Brackman’s autograph, and ask Manny who he was, shrug, not recognizing the name, and then ask him to sign anyway. Even sitting right behind them, and noting how accessible they are (believe me these guys weren’t pestered at all last year; there was no one in the stands), I don’t ask for autographs. However, if I am that close to them again, I will certainly ask Manny for an autograph for you. No problem.
The big surprise out f the Yankee bullpen this spring, besides Prior has been Luis Ayala. He has been impressive. Not sure of his contract status, but, hopefully he stays in the organization to see how he does in April, whether in NY or Scranton.
I’m not really an autograph person either, but I would like Manny’s autograph on a 100-peso bill, which I can provide.
yankeefeminista March 23rd, 2011 at 1:16 am
He’ll be in Tampa to start, and should end up in Trenton.
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I’m not sure how the numbers will work out, but it would be dice to have Mesa and Almonte in the same outfield to watch 20 minutes from my home base.
tyanksfan36 March 23rd, 2011 at 1:20 am
JAP
It was Abe, Zoilo wasn’t in that game I believe he is with Trenton. If I remember correctly, Abe was with Tampa yesterday but it could have been today with Scranton, I get my days mixed up. Ill make sure to pay attention if he gets into another game and let you know how he does.
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I would think Zoilo would be in the Tampa group.
Yankeefem
Poor Manny
that happened in Tampa, this woman went and asked for his autograph and when someone sitting next to me asked who that was she told them oh its Dellin Betances. I had to tell them that lady was an idiot and it was Banuelos. Now everyone knows who he is.
I saw Brackmans parents today, they came to watch him pitch, I could definitely see where he gets his height.
Nick in SF….You playing this game ??? Lakers -7 was the line I had
tyanksfan36 March 23rd, 2011 at 1:20 am
JAP
It was Abe, Zoilo wasn’t in that game I believe he is with Trenton. If I remember correctly, Abe was with Tampa yesterday but it could have been today with Scranton, I get my days mixed up. Ill make sure to pay attention if he gets into another game and let you know how he does.
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Terrific. Hopefully he lands in my backyard before long.
Goal tending
Yankeefem
You are correct. They are both listed as being with Tampa. I know it was Abe for sure though because I remember someone asking me who #31 was and that was Abe. The workout groups are posted on my blog, if you click it and then zoom it comes out clear.
No action on this one, I didn’t even know it was on until I saw 121-121 on the ESPN crawl.
3OT???
J. Alfred Prufrock March 23rd, 2011 at 1:28 am
yankeefeminista March 23rd, 2011 at 1:16 am
He’ll be in Tampa to start, and should end up in Trenton.
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I’m not sure how the numbers will work out, but it would be dice to have Mesa and Almonte in the same outfield to watch 20 minutes from my home base.
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Yep. It will be interesting to see how we handle our arsenal of OF’ers generally. We are stacked especially once more of the DSL guys arrive.
Pat
Thank you
I grew up with very little specific coaching, it was see ball hit ball. But we were taught simple keys – Quiet at the Plate, Into the slot, Step into the pitch, Short to the ball and so on. From where I sit, Long is teaching basics at the Majors level – boggles the mind.
It sounds like Kevin McHale went to the Tino Martinez School of Enunciation.
I am wondering if Calderon and Duran will be at Tampa, tyf. They are two to watch. I am excited to see DeLeon live if he is with the Dogs. Also Flores, and a healthy Heathcott, who wasn’t impressive when I saw him but was still nursing his knee injury.
YF, what about Moranta & Santana? Any idea where they land? I’ll say goodnight but will look for your response.
Yankeefem
I know these are just preliminary workgroups though I am sure by next weekend they will be closer to what we will see once the season starts.
Nick in SF…..I’m watching the game on the Lakers Prime Ticket network….
Bo Knows…..Keep it simple really does work
Artest dunked.
m……I was wondering if you were catching this game……..Bo, explode your hips
J. Alfred Prufrock March 23rd, 2011 at 1:42 am
YF, what about Moranta & Santana? Any idea where they land? I’ll say goodnight but will look for your response.
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Santana should be stateside, but I have heard nothing. He and Calderon were BA top 20′s for Latin summer players. Moronta is still in DSL and getting old (22?), so not sure what is up with him.
tyanksfan36 March 23rd, 2011 at 1:44 am
Yankeefem
I know these are just preliminary workgroups though I am sure by next weekend they will be closer to what we will see once the season starts.
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This is true. Although most of the Trenton position players are about right.
Well, I am out of here. Have a good night, all.
yankeefeminista March 23rd, 2011 at 1:39 am
I am wondering if Calderon and Duran will be at Tampa, tyf. They are two to watch. I am excited to see DeLeon live if he is with the Dogs. Also Flores, and a healthy Heathcott, who wasn’t impressive when I saw him but was still nursing his knee injury
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Calderon and Duran will be in Charleston where Greg Colbrunn can work with them. He was the manager last year but asked to return to teaching hitting.
GB….When’s your first farm report ????
Pat, I don’t have much to gone with right now. I’m probably not getting to Charleston until early May, but, I’ll be watching and listening to the minor league games on computer TV. I’ll update what I get. Fem and Doreen will be seeing quite a few of the Trenton games and others in Tampa. I’m a little financially strapped with remodeling and some med bills right now, but, hope to get to the games soon.
GB….It’s always noteworthy when you point out a particular player to keep an eye on…..Goodnight and good morning
GB
When you start collecting info for your farm report you can guest post on my blog. Amateur writing which includes poor grammar, run on sentences, excessive comma use and rabbit trails are all that is required.
Yeah Pat
It’s starting to come back to me. All mechanics are the same, Golf, Baseball, Hockey. Coil, Drive, Follow through. Force transfer. But you have to keep your hands connected and start from a slot. Big on Gardner this year, he’s got a power stroke. Who knew?
That’s why I started laughing at Joba – drive your butt or some such, that’s a good key.
“Adrian Gonzalez’s agent reached to Theo Epstein tuesday and came away confident that a deal could be done soon”
HOW CONVENIENT
Jerkface,
I saw that earlier and SNICKERED.
Of course he’ll start diving for balls as soon as the deal is ink’d.
By the way, what mechanics did Rothschild fix with Joba? Honest question because as far as I have heard the only thing different with Joba’s mechanics is the hands at the belt which is something Joba did on his own this winter pre-Rothschild.
And since Eiland has been named goat of the month; I’m sure he had nothing to do with winning the World Series in 2009, or the success stories on the ball club either in the last two years like Sabathia going 40-15, or Pettitte going 25-1, or Phil Hughes going 26-11, or Aceves going 13-1.
Eiland’s departure had nothing to do with his performance on the field we are told. So this blaming him for so much despite his successes — and anointing Rothschild as the next coming before one pitch that counts has been thrown makes little sense to me. I like Rothschild from what I have seen but shouldn’t we wait and see what the results are?
Correction – Pettitte 25-11, missed a 1.
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“Calderon and Duran will be in Charleston where Greg Colbrunn can work with them. He was the manager last year but asked to return to teaching hitting.”
They might end up in Charleston eventually, but I see them starting the season in EST. Charleston is going to have Sosa, Flores, Williams and possibly Gamel. Furthermore, Heathcott might start off in Charleston again before moving up to Tampa. I heard Murphy is playing with the Charleston group too as a catcher and 3rd base.
Also, I forgot De Leon in Charleston which means guys like Williams and Gamel might start in EST too. If Heathcott starts the season in Charleston then those guys are definitely still in EST.
Before you do it, take time to think through it.
hey Joe G.. never mind who your lead off batter is going to be, get your staff (4th..5th SP ) straighten out
good morning all
Joeman- I like your safety tips to start the day
Good morning all.
Some snow here. Isn’t almost baseball season?
Hi Fran
hope you enjoyed the remainder of your birthday
clear and cold here this am, but snow expected later
Hey Kate,
I enjoyed my birthday. Thanks. My family chipped in and got me an iMac computer and wireless printer. Love it.
Crazy weather. I mean spring started 2 days ago. Are you expecting a lot of snow?
very nice Fran
snow predicted for the next 3 days, but not much accumulation
I did see a robin on Saturday, that says spring to me!
kate, clear and cold? Heck, there’s already 6 inches on the ground here.
Good morning morning people. I am regretting that I stayed up so late last night, I hate getting up early anyways but it was definitely unwise to stay up so late when I had to be awake at 6.
No baseball for me today unfortunately, the only pitchers I’ve wanted to see is pitching for Trenton in Clearwater and not in Tampa. Bummer
JCPD, Hope that the job is going well
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Have an early appointment. Have to run.
See you all later.
Late night. So– good night, morning people.
Fran, so far, so good……. thanks.
Good morning, morning people!
When I first started seeing joeman’s morning posts, I came away scratching my head, but now I actually think I’d miss them if they weren’t there!
kate
I hate to spoil your joy in seeing a robin, but some stay around all winter.
We have snow, about 1-2 inches. The pavement is clear, though. It looks spectacular, but I was just admiring the buds on my trees yesterday, some flowering. Poor trees.
MY
I don’t see robins all winter, so to me they are a sign of spring
Here in Michigan, we just got blasted again with snow.
Who is pitching tonight? Game is on mlbnetwork I believe.
kate
I didn’t know they all didn’t go south till I saw one during the winter some years back.
I just thought it was like some here that have lost their way.
MY, you’re in Maine, of course they lost their way. Hope all is well in your neck of the woods.
“Who is pitching tonight? Game is on mlbnetwork I believe.”
Both, AJ and Hughes are schedule to pitch today so I suspect AJ will pitch against minor league hitters while Hughes goes tonight.
Morning!
Good morning folks.
JCPD/MY -
Greetings. Good to see you around. Hope all is well.
In NY, it will be blacked out – that makes a full spring where Phil was not on tv, lol
MTU, besides being in and out of the emergency rooms and chiropractors the last ten days, I’m ok.
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but this makes it all good…………..My head hurts, my feet stink and I don’t love Jesus.
It’s that kind of mornin’,
really was that kind of night.
Tryin’ to tell myself that my
condition is improvin’ and if I don’t
die by Thursday I’ll be roarin’ Friday night.
Am I ever glad that those song lyrics aren’t the agenda in my daily life anymore. Most thankful to the guy upstairs who has given me the determination and fortitude to help me to be able to reach 20 years of sobriety today.
Yankees Boys and Girls Club luncheon today and attendance is usually manadatory so AJ might not be able to pitch in a minor league game today.
JCPD-
Sorry to hear that. What’s been happening ?
Nice Buffet reference. I think a change of latitude and longitude would do you some good.
Congratulations on that. That couldn’t have been easy.
Congrats to you JCPD! On the sobriety, not on the other part…sounds like a bad back.
And thanks for the Jimmy Buffet music to start the day.
JCPD:
Congrats. 20 years. That’s great.
Crawdaddy,
Thanks. Starters should be starting to get into their season routines this next week to get ready for the season.
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Hi Betsy
I haven’t watched more than an inning or two at a time all spring.
And then I’m going to miss the first week – 10 days of the season.
It feels very strange. From the end of last season, though the winter, and now throughout spring training, there’s just been a very strange feel to this off-season. I can’t put my finger on it, and it could just simply be the distractions of my own life.
JCPD-
By the way, I do love Jesus – Montero that is.
“Yankees Boys and Girls Club luncheon today and attendance is usually manadatory so AJ might not be able to pitch in a minor league game today.”
There might be a game this morning.
JCPD -
Happy Anniversary!
As to the other (emergency room/chiropractor), I hope you’re okay?
Hi Kate
How are you?
I’m sure this has happened before – I’m almost positive – and I believe an exception was made for the starter.
Doreen-
It’s been a wierd Winter indeed between the whacky weather, and all the momentous world events.
Kind of unsetttling to say the least.
Thanks Mell, kate, MTU….. nice to know there are more Parrotheads on here. It’s weird MTU, in my mind it has been easy, I don’t question it, just appreciate it. Maybe it has to do with feeling I would have ended up dead in a gutter somewhere if I didn’t change to road I was on.
Thanks Doreen……. today is basically the first day in almost two weeks that I’ve felt relatively pain free. Xrays seem to point to issues in my neck which pinched my spine, causing my entire nerve system to go crazy throughout my body. Time for the chiro to do her magic. All the blood tests they did came back negative. The chiro isn’t particularly thrilled that I have to weigh beer kegs on the nights I close.
JCPD-
In the parlance, I believe that is called recognition of a personal bottom.
People who have problems with addicitions and other maladies sometimes need to reach it in order to recover.
Addicts of all types need to recognize that it is a life-long problem.
That’s a tough one. W/o that awareness relapses can be expected to occur, and long-term success can’t be achieved.
MTU -
Real life intruding on the diversion!
JCPD-
May I suggest weighing the Keg AFTER you drink it ?
Chiro’s can really help though sometimes.
Had my back fixed once thru them.
Doreen-
Unfortunately, it sometimes rears it’s ugly head.
jcpd, congrats on the 20 years! thats alot of one-days!
JCPD
Congratulations on your milestone! That’s alot of one days at a time.
MTU, now there’s an idea!!! The chiro I used when I was in Denver helped immensely. If I have to go once or twice a month so be it. I just look at it as the same as someone having to take pills for high cholesterol. Maintenance.
SI_JonHeyman lunatic in pickup w sign “bad ass ladies don’t drive mercedes” weaving in/ out of traffic on florida’s turnpike. #nut
Ok fess up….which one of you gals was it?
Congrats JCPD….impressive.
JCPD-
Yup. They do all the work all you need do it sit back and crack.
now you reminded me that not only is the regular season coming up by my anniversary, too (april 10th!)
YG, pat……. thanks. And pretty much loved all of those one days!!! Amazing that in all that time, only one day did I remotely think about a drink. And it was a heavy drinking old friend and former roommate who kept me from doing it. And that was about 12 years ago. Life works in strange ways sometimes.
JCPD -
The chiro has a point about the beer kegs, but what can ya do?
Doreen-
He could become an instant millionaire by inventing the world’s first self-levitating beer keg.
Other than that ?
Although, now that I think about it, it is more likely the person could do that by drinking the beer than that the keg doing it by itself.
Oh well. Back to the drawing board.
I’m working on that MTU, but other than having enough people in everyday so that they drink enough to drain the kegs every night, I’m pretty much stuck with what I need to do. A full keg is 160 pounds, the same weight as me.
JCPD-
Get Dakota to help.
Heck. I’m fresh out of ideas.
Alll this talk of of “simulated” drinking just means that I’ll have to work harder on my real hike today.
# Rich in NJ March 23rd, 2011 at 12:06 am
If Joba and AJ both take a step forward, you would have to wonder why they kept Eiland around so long.
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If Joba and Aj take a step forward than Rothschild is the MVP
# J. Alfred Prufrock March 23rd, 2011 at 12:17 am
Rich in NJ March 23rd, 2011 at 12:10 am
“WC this is rather hollow. You don’t seem to allow the shifts in “reality” to inform your stances. Joba is a “middle reliever” in label only, not in ability.”
It’s also absurd. The kid is 25. His future is still quite mutable.
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For reasons I don’t care to speculate on, some people just don’t like the status quo disturbed. It also doesn’t help that Joba has been defined by the Yankees as an arm that can’t be redeemed as a starter, which was just a silly public stance to take, even if they believed it.
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Sill stance to take when anything could have happen an off season. Why paint yourself into a corner.
Rothschild insures that when both Joba and AJ take a step forward that it is in the same place every time.
MTU, if it’s any consolation…….. if I was off today, it would be snowshoeing…….. AGAIN. A winter storm warning here until 8AM tomorrow!!!
JCPD-
It’s a wonder you haven’t gone snowblind !
I’m fighting a bit of blues right now so it’s therapeutic for me to get out.
I think Eiland did some good things for the Yanks but I do find it puzzling that he didn’t attempt to correct a few things with AJ and Joba that were even obvious to folks on this board…..maybe he did and just couldn’t get through or maybe the players didn’t want to change mid season. We really don’t know those answers but it was plain as day that AJ had become extremely rotational last year and was getting on the side of everything…..it was discussed numerous times here.
MTU, thankfully I was in Syracuse for only 8 weeks training. Right now, they are at 174 inches for the winter, closing in on the 192 inch record.
JCPD-
Just ridiculous.
# West Coast Yankee Fan March 23rd, 2011 at 4:13 am
By the way, what mechanics did Rothschild fix with Joba? Honest question because as far as I have heard the only thing different with Joba’s mechanics is the hands at the belt which is something Joba did on his own this winter pre-Rothschild.
And since Eiland has been named goat of the month; I’m sure he had nothing to do with winning the World Series in 2009, or the success stories on the ball club either in the last two years like Sabathia going 40-15, or Pettitte going 25-1, or Phil Hughes going 26-11, or Aceves going 13-1.
Eiland’s departure had nothing to do with his performance on the field we are told. So this blaming him for so much despite his successes — and anointing Rothschild as the next coming before one pitch that counts has been thrown makes little sense to me. I like Rothschild from what I have seen but shouldn’t we wait and see what the results are?
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Eiland was not the worst pitching coach of all time or anything like that but I have seen and heard fans talk about how they didn’t like his style as a pitching coach.
Ok fair enough. And what do fans really know about a pitching coach or what he does. Eiland could have been communicating perfectly. It’s up to the pitcher to be receptive and to want to make corrections and then doing it is another thing altogether. Note K. Long didn’t do anything substantive with Granderson or Jeter until asked to. I’m not saying Eiland was the greatest pitching coach in the world but I think he is getting an unfair shake. And Rothschild is being lauded when the season hasn’t started yet. Again, Jobas mechanical adjustment of splitting his hands at the belt is something he did on his own this winter pre-Rothschild.