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Waiting for answers

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 24, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees don’t necessarily need to see anything from Freddy Garcia this morning. They’re sending him to the minor league complex to start a game on an off day, but Garcia isn’t likely to show them anything new. At this point, Garcia simply needs to keep pitching, and the Yankees simply need to make a decision.

“I think we have a pretty good feel on what Freddy can do,” Joe Girardi said. “I said that we had a pretty good idea when he came into camp, just from watching him and seeing plenty of video of him and watching him compete. Now we’re getting to the point where we have to sit down and have a long meeting. Find that exact time to have a long meeting. There’s still some stuff we’ll look at, but they’ve put a pretty good body of work together, all of them. We have to sit down and find some time to have (the discussion).”

This final week of spring training will give the Yankees plenty of time to do that. They’re on the road only once more this spring. Today’s an offday and tomorrow’s a night game, providing a open window without much going on.

“You have your own opinions, you listen to other people’s opinions, and you make the best decision you can at that time,” Girardi said. “None of us can predict exactly what’s going to happen. One of those guys might go 32-0, but we don’t know that. So, without giving away what our thought process is and what my thought process is yet, until we all sit down and discuss it, I can’t really give you an answer.

“I know you’d love to have an answer, I understand that. Everyone wants to know, and I’m sure the players want to know too, but to be fair to everyone, you want to sit down and have that meeting, sit down and talk to the players, and then give you the decision.”

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458 Responses to “Waiting for answers”

  1. Fran the original March 24th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    I still don’t think the Yankees have the answer.

    Reading the NY Post today, Garcia is the favorite. The Daily News seems to be leaning toward Colon.

    IMO, I like Colon for the #5 spot, but I am not sure he will hold up for a full season. I would like to keep Garcia around too as the long man out of the bullpen and trade/release Mitre.

  2. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    i love joe girardi. nothing against mattingly, but i think girardi was the perfect guy to replace torre with.

  3. Erica in NY March 24th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Good morning, morning people

  4. 108 stitches March 24th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    An off day today gives time for Joe Girardi and coaches to put the plan together with Brian Cashman. The No. 5 and long reliever hang in the balance and to a lesser degree, the BUC and utility infielder which looks to be Montero and Nunez going north and Ramiro Pena optioned to AAA and staying ready. Much the same wth Greg Golson. Chavez is a given.

  5. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    i want garcia as #5 and nova as #4 and if colon doesnt want to be a long man, let him leave.

    i think it sends the wrong message throughout an organization who is trying to develop young arms when they go out and find a guy who’s been out of baseball for 2 years to take a rotation spot that can easily be filled from within the organization.

    maybe they are thinnking of going back to the bad old days of minor leaguer’s being nothiing but trading chips, because if there is not room in the rotation for young arms, then they have no future in this organization.

    sending nova down also has the ripple effect of making another aaa pitcher move down to aa and an aa starter groing to the bp or back to a ball.

    a few good ST starts dont convince me that colon will be effective or healthy enough to make it through the saeason. he was brought in as insurance and it turns out we didnt need any.

  6. MTU March 24th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    “We take the best guys North.”

    ;)

  7. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    best guys as defined how? ST stats?

  8. MTU March 24th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Y’s-

    You’ll have to be a fly on the wall at this meeting to answer that one.

  9. MTU March 24th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    IMO it’s way more than ST stats.

    :)

  10. Erin March 24th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    I’m hoping it’s Garcia mostly because I’ll owe my brother $5 if it’s Colon. ;)

  11. Carlo March 24th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    # Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    best guys as defined how? ST stats?
    ————————————————-

    No, best guys as defined by posters on this blog who have a 100% success rate.

  12. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    i think colon’s ST is his apex. he didnt pitch in the majors last year, then pitched all winter and got it going, came into camp ahead of everyone and was best in the ‘competition.’ he’s shown good stuff and pitched well, but i think that all he’s got and when the regular season starts and everybody else steps it up a notch, he hasnt got anywhere to go.

    he’s done a great job and i’d be satisfied if we needed him in the rotaion, but we don’t.

  13. MTU March 24th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    I don’t care who it is as long as the right decisions are taken.

    They know way more than we do.

    They’ll sort it out and I’m sure they’ll have sound reasons for their decisions.

    We may, or may not ever be privy to them.

    :)

  14. UnKnown March 24th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    Showalter stepping out their and being fiesty with his comments in the New York Post this morning.

    What’s gotten into him? One long season of losing should mellow him out a bit.

  15. LGY March 24th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    “Suck on that, LGY! 4G doesn’t give you any special rights!”

    ————

    :mad: :mad: :mad:

    You may have won this one Nick, but wait till I take it to twitter where Jon Heyman protects my free speech rights! #betterthannick #timetogoeatbreakfastalonePLEASEsomeonejoinme

  16. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    “I don’t care who it is as long as the right decisions are taken.

    They know way more than we do.

    They’ll sort it out and I’m sure they’ll have sound reasons for their decisions.

    We may, or may not ever be privy to them.”

    Are you me?

    :)

  17. MTU March 24th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    My speculation is that Freddy is in along with Nova, and the real decision is over Colon and Mitre.

    For BUC I’d go with Montero. But hey, that’s just me.

    Nunez over Pena as well.

  18. MTU March 24th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Trisha-

    Perhaps a pale reflection of all that is you.

    :)

  19. UnKnown March 24th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Heyman throws his vote to Romine.

  20. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    the showalter thing is nothing. buck was just taking the first step in showing the o’s not to take

    anything from anybody and not to be in awe of the ‘great yankees’.

    nothing there but baseball.

  21. mick March 24th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    How does a reporter like George King not know that the Yanks are not throwing their 5th starter at Boston on April 9?

    He likely looked at CC-AJ-Phil-Nova-CC-AJ as the rotation but AJ having pitched game 2 on Saturday means he can’t follow CC the 1st time around on April 6 on 3 days rest.

    The Boston series should feature Phil-Nova and CC.

  22. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    “Showalter stepping out their and being fiesty with his comments in the New York Post this morning. ”

    Good for him.

    His comment about DJ was accurate.

    And

    “Showalter also blasted the Red Sox, mocking the notion that Boston’s biggest offseason acquisitions — Carl Crawford and Adrian Gonzalez — were indicative of general manager Theo Epstein’s savvy.”

    ‘I’d like to see how smart Theo Epstein is with the Tampa Bay [Rays] payroll,’ Showalter said. ‘You got Carl Crawford ’cause you paid more than anyone else, and that’s what makes you smarter? That’s why I like whipping their butt.’”

    “‘It’s great, knowing those guys with the $205 million payroll are saying, ‘How the hell are they beating us?’ ”

    Don’t blame him a bit. Fact is fact.

  23. jacksquat March 24th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Seems it’s all but stated clearly that Garcia was given the #4 spot at the beginning of spring training, and Nova will get the #5 spot. (Garcia pitching today, the day after Hughes seems to make him the #4)

    The only possible decision I see left is whether they keep Colon and release Mitre.

    I hope Garcia can pitch something like last year, but Colon clearly has better stuff now and I would put him in the rotation and keep Garcia in the bullpen as a long man and backup starter.

  24. Fran the original March 24th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    If the weather keeps up like this, there will be some rainouts early on. That would mess up the whole rotation anyway.

    I like Nunez over Pena for the bench spot, but whatever the Yankees decided is fine with me.

  25. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    I’d start Colon as long as he can pitch and ride that pony until he collapses…he is clearly throwing better than Garcia, and Rothschild loves power strikeout pitchers. Then, IF and when Colon breaks down, swap him to long-man with Garcia taking over his spot.

    As for Mitre, package him with R Sanchez and Steve Garrison and send him to Arizona. Make deal with old buddy Towers that we can get Mitre back later if needed for a low level prospect.

    I’m not anywhere near as worried about Colon’s stamina as some others here. Pitchers come back from TJ surgery after 18 months to 2 years and are able to resume full season. He knows what it takes to go through a season, and what it takes to stay strong enough stamina wise—the only question is if his arm breaks down…a risk with any pitcher.

  26. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    “Trisha-

    Perhaps a pale reflection of all that is you.

    :)

    We here all know that the reverse is true. And it doesn’t bother me a whit. I never mind aspiring to be a much better person.

    “the showalter thing is nothing. buck was just taking the first step in showing the o’s not to take

    anything from anybody and not to be in awe of the ‘great yankees’.

    nothing there but baseball.”

    Yes.

  27. upstate kate March 24th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    fantasy question
    If one of my pitchers (yes, I have Morrow) is on the DL and I replace him, can I get him back later? And should I definitely replace him, or is there any benefit to holding on to him?

  28. 108 stitches March 24th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Mitre and Romulo Sanchez are out of options. Better to deal both for something rather than just DFA them and see each eventually get picked up on waiver claims.

  29. Mell March 24th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    What is fairly certain is that the Yankees will not have 5 guys make 30+ starts. In fact, it’s unlikely they’ll have 4 guys make 30+ starts (has happened only 3 times since ’95). Makes the fact that they’ve got themselves some depth all the more important. I’m with Y’s guys in the sense that we’re probably seeing the best Colon has to offer, right now. I don’t think he’s good for more than 12-15 starts, but there’s a pretty strong chance the Yankees will need as many as 20 starts from somebody other than those identified as the 5 man rotation to start the year. That makes having Colon around as a long man/#6 starter a good idea to me. I don’t see it as inhibiting anyone else’s develpoment or chances to pitch in the bigs.

  30. MTU March 24th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Bojo-

    I would say Colon, rather than being at risk to pull an oblique, is at risk to pull a “pottius maximus” muscle.

    Otherwise he’s quite sound.

    :)

  31. Mell March 24th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    “If one of my pitchers (yes, I have Morrow) is on the DL and I replace him, can I get him back later? And should I definitely replace him, or is there any benefit to holding on to him?”

    As of now, Morrow is slated to start on 4/8. Barring a change to that, I’d keep him around.

  32. Fran the original March 24th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    BoJo,

    I agree with everything you said. My concern about Colon holding up all season is his weight. He is 20-25 pounds overweight and that could affect him as the season wears on.

    ***********************
    Trisha,

    You got your fantasy player on waivers. It cleared 4:30AM. When I first saw it, I didn’t realize it was waivers and was wondering what you were doing up at 4:30 AM. Erica too :)

  33. UnKnown March 24th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Upstate Kate – You would only be able to get Morrow back if you later reaquired him again. Benefit of holding on to him is he is a good pitcher and I don’t think the injury is much. If you drop him someone else will for sure pick him up.

    As always the success of this year’s Yankee team will not be determined on the success of the 25th man on the roster (nunez or pena). If this club struggles that won’t be the reason.

  34. Rich in NJ March 24th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    “One of those guys might go 32-0″

    I’ll take the under.

  35. MTU March 24th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Trisha-

    We should just concentrate on the dinner menu, and a continuation of a spicy food diet.

    Please keep me informed.

    And please see a Doc for your foot if you haven’t done so already.

    They really can work wonders.

    ;)

  36. UnKnown March 24th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    For that matter whoever throws at the #5 starter in the rotation won’t be the difference either.

    It’s going to revolve around Jeter, Tex, Alex, and AJ, Phil.

  37. Fran the original March 24th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Kate,

    If you put a player on the DL, he is only available to you when he comes off. And like the major league DL, it opens up a roster spot for you. You can pick another player.

    If you drop him, anybody can pick him up when he comes back. If you think he is that good, hold onto him.

  38. 108 stitches March 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Even if Garcia or Colon falter as the season moves along, Andrew Brackman will ready himself at AAA for a callup as will Noesi, Warren, or Phelps.

    Depth counts.

  39. Niblick March 24th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    If Colon doesn’t get a job, then the whole spring training “competition” will have proven to be a complete and utter sham.

    The Yanks knew when they signed him when he had last pitched in the majors. They knew when they signed him how much he weighed. To cite either of those factors at this time is disingenuous.

    He has done nothing but pitch well during camp. What else could he have possibly done to help his cause?

  40. pat March 24th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    “How does a reporter like George King not know that the Yanks are not throwing their 5th starter at Boston on April 9?”

    He’s sketchy on what a “start” is so figuring out starters could be advanced math.

    “Of Garcia’s 303 big league starts, one has been in relief. Colon has made three relief appearances in 328 starts.”

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z1HWXgWrwd

  41. MTU March 24th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    “waste not, want not”

    Find a way to keep all 3.

    Subtraction might be easier than addition later on.

    Besides, attrition might bring it all to fruition anyway.

    So to speak.

    ;)

  42. Mell March 24th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    “If Colon doesn’t get a job, then the whole spring training “competition” will have proven to be a complete and utter sham”

    How would that make it different from last year’s #5 battle?

  43. Niblick March 24th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Mell, you make a good point.

  44. upstate kate March 24th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    thanks

  45. Carlo March 24th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    The rotation can be done one of two ways:
    3/31 – Sabathia
    4/2 – Burnett
    4/3 – Hughes
    4/4 – #4 (Nova)
    4/5 – #5
    4/6 – Sabathia (on an extra day)
    4/7 – Burnett (regular rest)
    4/8 at Boston – Hughes (regular rest)
    4/9 at Boston – #4 (Nova) (regular rest)
    4/10 at Boston – #5 (regular rest)

    Or

    3/31 – Sabathia
    4/2 – Burnett
    4/3 – Hughes
    4/4 – #4 (Nova)
    4/5 – Sabathia (regular rest)
    4/6 – #5
    4/7 – Burnett (regular rest)
    4/8 at Boston – Hughes (regular rest)
    4/9 at Boston – #4 (Nova) (regular rest)
    4/10 at Boston – Sabathia (regular rest)

    So we either send Hughes, #4, #5 or Hughes #4, Sabathia to the mound versus Boston.

  46. MTU March 24th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Carlo-

    I like plan #2 better. CC hates extra rest.

  47. LGY March 24th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    f Colon doesn’t get a job, then the whole spring training “competition” will have proven to be a complete and utter sham.

    *****

    You are (mistakenly) assuming that every pitcher went into the competition with equal odds.

  48. Carlo March 24th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    # MTU March 24th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Carlo-

    I like plan #2 better. CC hates extra rest.

    ————

    Agreed

  49. LGY March 24th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Colon was signed as ST injury insurance IMO.

    Because of his impressive performance this spring he may push Mitre out of a job though.

  50. mick March 24th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    So we either send Hughes, #4, #5 or Hughes #4, Sabathia to the mound versus Boston.
    ====================
    Exactly. #2 is a nobrainer .
    You throw your #5 4/6 vs Minn at home.

  51. Niblick March 24th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    LGY – obviously there were some pre-conceived notions (and therefore unequal “odds”) entering the competition. However, Colon has pitched better than Mitre and much better than Garcia. If the Yanks are going to make a decision based primarily on Garcia’s past history (especially over the time when Colon has been inactive) or on Girardi’s personal fondness for Mitre, or his performance as a reliever last year (which was admittedly good), instead of spring training performance or Mitre’s long and abyssmal pre-2010 history, then they shouldn’t have even signed Colon in the first place.

  52. mick March 24th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    I like plan #2 better. CC hates extra rest.
    ===========================
    True and why throw your #5 in game 3 vs Boston at Fenway, makes no sense.

  53. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    so i did my other fantasy draft last night and fortunatly it went much better than my lohud draft.

    i was the 11th pick, so i thought i was going to pick arod there, but when my turn came around cano was still on the board, so i have robbie as my only yankee at this point.

  54. LGY March 24th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    y, then they shouldn’t have even signed Colon in the first place

    ****

    Why not? What is the downside?

  55. blake March 24th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    The Yankees gave Colon a shot to show what he could do when nobody else would…..he’s going to.have a job in the big leagues one way or another this season most likely because of it.

  56. Niblick March 24th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    LGY – Because, for one, signing someone as a part of a sham competition will inhibit their ability to sign players in the future. Agents aren’t dumb. If a player is signed, and performs well in spring training (arguably better than any other starting pitcher on the team) and then is dumped, that outcome will be well known in the baseball community.

  57. stuckey99 March 24th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    “You are (mistakenly) assuming that every pitcher went into the competition with equal odds.”

    Sounds like something I might say.

    Oh wait. I did!

    LGY, how was the game thread last night? Did I miss a lot of fascinating discussion about the air-speed velocity of Phil Hughes cut fastball vs. that of an African Swallow?

  58. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    I dont understand the fascination with Mitre?
    Can’t he be DL’ed.

  59. upstate kate March 24th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Ys
    must not have been a Yankee draft if Robbie was still available at 11!

  60. blake March 24th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    If it weren’t for the Yankees Colon might not be pitching at all right now. They took a chance of him but aren’t going to base everything off a few ST innings especially when the guy really hasn’t pitched full time in 6 years.

  61. Triple Short of a Cycle March 24th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    I view Cano as more of a second or third rounder in fantasy

  62. Niblick March 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Blake – you say they “aren’t going to base everything off a few ST innings when the guy really hasn’t pitched full time in 6 years”.

    What other basis would you propose the Yankees use to evaluate Colon? Ouija board? Tarot cards?

  63. Pat M. March 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Rich in NJ and m had the perfect solution, just dl Mitre to start the season if he’s cool with it and takes the rehab assignment and stays back in Tampa…If not then cut the cord

  64. Asd March 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Is it just me, or is TJ Simers a real jerk?

  65. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Who were picked before Arod and Cano?
    Pitchers like Halladay and Lee?
    Pujols.
    Sounds like an easy league to win.

  66. Mell March 24th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    “I view Cano as more of a second or third rounder in fantasy”

    I think he’s a top 10-15 guy now. Wouldn’t be if he were a 1B or OF, but as a 2B his value is up.

  67. Mell March 24th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    “Is it just me, or is TJ Simers a real jerk?”

    It’s not you.

  68. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Garcia is no more a sure thing than Colon is.
    You never have enough pitching , which is why you hang on to them, esp at such low cost.

  69. Mell March 24th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    “Who were picked before Arod and Cano?”

    Typically, Pujols, H. Ramirez (SS is a fantasy black hole), M. Cabrera, Tulowitski, Braun, Longoria, and sometimes Carlos Gonzalez or Halladay.

  70. Asd March 24th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    >http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=6252444

    Oh, buck. You’re at your funniest when you’re huffing and puffing.

  71. Niblick March 24th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    mick – I just hope hanging on to all of them doesn’t mean dumping Nova back to AAA.

  72. blake March 24th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    “What other basis would you propose the Yankees use to evaluate Colon? Ouija board? Tarot cards?”

    Your question is the problem…..there is nothing else to base it off of unless you feel confident relying on numbers from 2005.

  73. blake March 24th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    I would keep Colon over Mitre based on what we’ve seen this spring but I wouldn’t choose him over Garcia for the rotation based on that size of sample.

  74. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    I just hope hanging on to all of them doesn’t mean dumping Nova back to AAA.
    =========================
    They wouldn’t do that to the kid, he earned it with his 6 no hit innings, just like Montero didn’t with his poor hitting and catching decline.

  75. Triple Short of a Cycle March 24th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Mell,

    2nd base is deep this year and Cano doesn’t steal bags which brings his value down

  76. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    I would keep Colon over Mitre based on what we’ve seen this spring but I wouldn’t choose him over Garcia for the rotation based on that size of sample.
    ==============
    Somehow Colon sitting in the bullpen eating sunflower seeds sounds like a recipe for disaster.

  77. Mell March 24th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    “I just hope hanging on to all of them doesn’t mean dumping Nova back to AAA”

    That would be entirely bogus.

  78. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Asd March 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am
    Is it just me, or is TJ Simers a real jerk?
    ______________
    TJ stands for “Total Jerk*ff”

  79. LGY March 24th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Get out of my head stuckey! I am not here to do your robot dirty work when you are but around :mad:

    Wednesday nights are not kind to me for the time being so I was not able to participate in the game thread. And by the time I got home Hughes was out of the game and it was time to watch the Knicks lose.

  80. Tom in N.J. March 24th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    “Somehow Colon sitting in the bullpen eating sunflower seeds sounds like a recipe for disaster.”

    Not if he’s drinking lots of carrot juice and soaking up rays..I hear it’s a good weight loss plan

  81. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    I can see Garcia hanging out in the pen waiting for his shot more than Colon, just more athletic than Colon. Heck, ride the hot hand, they did with Aaron Small.

  82. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Not if he’s drinking lots of carrot juice and soaking up rays..I hear it’s a good weight loss plan
    ========================================
    Maybe he can get Joba on the weight loss plan.

  83. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    Frankly, you’ll probably need both Colon and Garcia in a game if they start against Boston. Early reports are that Boston will score over 5000 runs this year, with 1000 of them coming in the first Yankees series….

    Garcia used to be a Red Sox killer before surgeries, but I would prefer to start Colon against them because of that back-up cutter against lefties.

  84. upstate kate March 24th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    Jimmy Buffet references two days in a row :)

  85. Mell March 24th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Trip:

    2b is deeper than in year’s past, but Cano is still in the elite echelon, which probably got a little smaller with Utley’s knee. For fantasy purposes, I’d probably like Kinsler as the #1 2B right now, followed by Cano and Pedroia. Depending on how it goes for Utley, I think it’s a pretty long way down to #4.

    Still, you can get a pretty decent 2b (a Howie Kendrick type) much later in the draft.

  86. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Frankly, you’ll probably need both Colon and Garcia in a game if they start against Boston.
    ==============================
    Thankfully there’s no need to unless there are rainouts.
    I like the idea of throwing Nova in the middle game at Fenway then coming back with CC.

  87. Doreen March 24th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    I just subscribed to ESPN magazine so I could get Insider. I had to think about it a little before pulling the trigger. I did it directly from ESPN; it cost a little more but I don’t have to wait 4-6 weeks to get Insider, I’ll get it right away.

  88. Erica in NY March 24th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    upstate kate March 24th, 2011 at 10:24 am
    Jimmy Buffet references two days in a row

    *********

    I’ve got fins to the left and fins to the right

  89. Triple Short of a Cycle March 24th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Mell,

    If Kinsler stays healthy he is number 1. Problem is he always gets hurt. I am targeting Pedroia in the third if he falls to me. If not I will try to get Prado or much later Hill. Hill is Dan Uggla light

  90. champ809 March 24th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    The issue in regards to Freddy vs Bartolo is as simple as this.

    Bartolo has ALWAYS been a better pitcher than Freddy.

    Bartolo is currently pitching better than Freddy and he’s not even in shape yet.

    Bartolo’s stuff is still above average to plus whereas Freddy’s is fringe at best.

    Bartolo’s stuff translates better to pitching in the AL East where every lineup is brutal.

    The only advantage Freddy has over Bartolo is he threw 150 league average to below league average innings in the AL central while Bartolo was rehabbing.

    Both guys are just placeholders anyway and maybe obsolete as early as July depending on what happens down in Scranton/Trenton.

    That being the case then I think the decision is fairly simple…best guy should win.

    Best performance so far = Bartolo
    Best stuff = Bartolo
    Best chance @ success pitching in AL East = Bartolo

  91. champ809 March 24th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Mell

    There is no way that Kinsler is the#1 2B in fantasy….all that he offers over Cano is stolen bases

    But Robbie gives higher BA, HRs, RBIs, Runs and if you play in a league that counts OBP & SLG%

    then it’s not even a contest.

  92. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Best chance @ success pitching in AL East = Bartolo
    ===================================
    The question is for how long?
    Keeping them both around is what’s fair and smart unless you want to try for Moseley again.
    Mitre seems to be the sticking point.

  93. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    I had to go with Martin Prado at 2B even though he’s now a LF. I guess he still qualifies as a 2B on ESPN’s system?

  94. Doreen March 24th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    My fear is that on March 31st the carriage will turn back into a pumpkin and neither Garcia nor Colon will be any good. :(

    My comfort level is being challenged – Mitre has had the role of long-man spot starter and while he’s no all-star, he’s handled that particular position well. And I think it is that is undervalued in the sense that not everyone is successful doing it. Can Garcia or Colon, who have not ever held that position, and who at one point were very successful starters, do that job? Mitre was never in the same league as Colon or Garcia. The mindset, I think is different.

    But if I go out on a personal limb and assume that Colon and/or Garcia would “take” to the role, I’d want to keep them and let Mitre go. Then, to decide which of Colon/Garcia would fit best in what role is the question. I think Colon in the BP and Garcia in the rotation is my gut. I get the feeling that Colon would deal with it better than Garcia. But I have no real basis for thinking that.

  95. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Mitre seems to be the sticking point.
    _____________
    So stick a fork in him already.

  96. blake March 24th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Champ,

    I would like to see them keep both guys around but you can’t deny the fact that Colon hasn’t really pitched any significant amount of innings in 6 years…..Colon has threw the ball well this spring but Im not convinced that big leaguers wont adjust to him fairly soon after the regular season starts and start pounding that come back 2 seamer that he’s lived on the last few weeks……maybe not but recent big league success carries more weight than what a guy does in ST.

  97. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Doreen

    Sounds like your shopping for a car. :)

  98. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    So stick a fork in him already.
    ================
    Colon already did.

  99. Triple Short of a Cycle March 24th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Patrick,

    Prado should qualify for 2nd/3rd and OF. At least he does in CBS leagues

  100. Mell March 24th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    “But Robbie gives higher BA, HRs, RBIs, Runs and if you play in a league that counts OBP & SLG%”

    Interesting point. Not necessarily correct, but interesting.

  101. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    blake

    why would the yanks even invite colon to camp if they thought that way?

  102. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    “Trisha,

    You got your fantasy player on waivers. It cleared 4:30AM. When I first saw it, I didn’t realize it was waivers and was wondering what you were doing up at 4:30 AM. Erica too :)

    Fran, after eating dinner past 11 last night, it would have been a good possibility that I’d be up at 4:30! In fact I did end up watching television most of the night because I had a large glass of caffeinated soda with dinner, and other than my Ritter Sports Bars and any of their chocolate relatives, I’m pretty caffeine free.

    That said, once I went from 7th position to 14th position in the waiver order, I pretty much decided there was no advantage in waiting it out anymore because I don’t anticipate getting to first place in the waiver order any time soon. So yes, I put my claim in early and remain firmly entrenched in last place.

    :)

  103. upstate kate March 24th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Erica
    make that 3 :)

  104. Mell March 24th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    “why would the yanks even invite colon to camp if they thought that way?”

    1) Nothing to lose by it
    2) They’re going to need a 6th guy who can give you some starts

  105. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Doreen

    The role of a long man is to mop up or eat innings.
    He’s not good enough for middle relief.
    Garcia backing up Colon would be different in that Colon could pull a Chan Ho Park on us as you implied.

  106. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    so the board seems to think that colon/garcia should get the spots and the developing arms should be shut out of the rotation?

  107. Niblick March 24th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    If Mitre truly is the sticking point (that is, if Girardi can’t bear to part with a guy with a career ERA of 5.27, much of it the NL), then I fear that the safe route for the Yankees will be to option Nova to SWB. It would be reminiscent of their past treatment of young players. You know, the grass is always greener – we were so smart to sign the new veterans, they must be better than the guy we already have.

  108. Irreverent Discourse March 24th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    mell its very easy to undervalue the rate stats of hitters, and overvalue saves. i can’t think of a standard scoring system that would have kinsler outproduce cano…

  109. Irreverent Discourse March 24th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    saves? stolen bases… bleh

  110. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    ill make the prediction right here that colon will not win 5 games for the yankees this year. even if he starts the season in the rotation.

  111. Giuseppe Franco March 24th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Speaking of CHoP, he’s the perfect example of someone who had a very good ST for the Yanks and then had a disastrous regular season from the onset.

  112. Doreen March 24th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    mick -

    I am a deliberate decision maker. I’ve made some bad ones so I take my time. It doesn’t always help, though! LOL

  113. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 10:42 am
    so the board seems to think that colon/garcia should get the spots and the developing arms should be shut out of the rotation?
    _______________
    Are you talking to boards? If so, could you ask it if it has a little brother that I can use as a shelf. 20″ wide x 12″ deep x 1″ thick would be great. Thanks!

  114. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    They will never send Nova down now.
    The kid just threw 6 no hit innings!
    It would demoralize him.
    Besides he’s the #4 starter, not #5.

  115. Erica in NY March 24th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2011 at 10:40 am
    “Trisha,

    You got your fantasy player on waivers. It cleared 4:30AM. When I first saw it, I didn’t realize it was waivers and was wondering what you were doing up at 4:30 AM. Erica too ”

    *****************

    Oooh… I need to see which cleared

  116. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    remember, if you send nova down, then someone else gets sent to aa and someone else from aa gets put in the bp or sent down to a ball.

    that is just sending the news throughout the organization that any castoff is more valued than any deveoping pitcher in our organization.

  117. Doreen March 24th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Ys Guy -

    No, I think Colon and Garcia should make the team over Mitre, with Nova being the #4 starter and toss a coin on the other two.

  118. Triple Short of a Cycle March 24th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Irreverent Discourse,

    2 years ago in my CBS league Kinsler scored 605 to Cano’s 563. Then again we don’t penalize for caught stealing or strikeouts

  119. upstate kate March 24th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    put me down for Nova in the 4th spot…I don’t really care who gets the 5th spot, he will probably be replaced sometime during the season anyway

  120. Mell March 24th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    “so the board seems to think that colon/garcia should get the spots and the developing arms should be shut out of the rotation?”

    Not Nova. Other than that, yeah probably. Betances, Brackman and Banuelos aren’t ready and the other guys (Noesi, Warren, etc) probably aren’t good enough right now.

  121. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    ill make the prediction right here that colon will not win 5 games for the yankees this year. even if he starts the season in the rotation.
    —————————————–
    That’s why you keep Freddy around.
    He already said he would go to the bullpen.
    Colon is pitching for his life, Freddy is steady.

  122. Niblick March 24th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    mick – what if he gives up 4 runs in 4 innings today? It will give Cashman the perfect excuse to bury Nova.

  123. Giuseppe Franco March 24th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    # Niblick March 24th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    If Mitre truly is the sticking point (that is, if Girardi can’t bear to part with a guy with a career ERA of 5.27, much of it the NL), then I fear that the safe route for the Yankees will be to option Nova to SWB. It would be reminiscent of their past treatment of young players. You know, the grass is always greener – we were so smart to sign the new veterans, they must be better than the guy we already have.

    ———–

    That’s not how they’d look at it.

    What they’d be doing is stockpiling as many options as they can. It’s as simple as that.

    Teams usually need at least 7-8 starters to grind through a typical 162 game season anyways.

  124. Erica in NY March 24th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Fran-

    How is the waiver order decided???

    I had tried to claim MPF Lance Berkman off waivers and Rodger got him.

    Soooooo not cool :evil:

  125. David in Cal March 24th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    ISTM Colon has the higher upside, but he is a greater risk. With Garcia, the best you can hope for is a durable, mediocre #5 starter. With Colon, you can hope for a throwback to his Cy Young season. OTOH Garcia is pretty likely to be an adequate #5 starter. Colon is likely to flame out and become worthless.

    I think the Yanks need a real boost to win the world series, so I go with Colon and hope for the best. I think the Yanks with Garcia may be good enough to reach the post season, but are not good enough to win it all.

  126. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    The Yanks are probably thinking the same thing could happen to Colon, GF.
    If he exhales after making the team, watch out!

  127. Irreverent Discourse March 24th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    triple – 2 years ago cano was a middling 2b and kinsler had his “career year” so to speak… what are the categories of the league?
    i’ll go look up their relative value

  128. stuckey99 March 24th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    “With Garcia, the best you can hope for is a durable, mediocre #5 starter. ”

    If you can find someone durable and mediocre, that makes him by definition a GREAT 5th starter.

  129. Giuseppe Franco March 24th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    # mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    The Yanks are probably thinking the same thing could happen to Colon, GF.
    If he exhales after making the team, watch out!

    ————

    They are going to much more reluctant to downplay Colon’s ST simply because of the stuff he took to the mound every start.

    Besides, CHoP was signed to a major league deal. He wasn’t going to be cut even if he did have a disastrous spring.

  130. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    why would the yanks even invite colon to camp if they thought that way?

    Insurance against injury

  131. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    mick – what if he gives up 4 runs in 4 innings today?
    —————————-
    aren’t they off today?

  132. Erin March 24th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    We know what Swisher’s doing on his day off. ;)

    JoAnnaLGarcia Wizarding World of Harry Potter…here WE come! @ERob3 @NickSwisher…r u as excited as I am???

  133. champ809 March 24th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Blake

    Other than last year Garcia hadn’t thrown any significant innings in the 4yrs previous.

    he came back and threw 157 and made 33 starts….who is to say that Bartolo couldn’t do the same?

    And again if things work out the way they should 1 of Brackman, Warren, Noesi or Phelps may be ready to offer you an upgrade to what they are giving you anyway.

    My issue is that Bartolo is going to battle with 4 pitches, PLUS velo and excellent command while Freddy is going to war with guile and junk. I’d rather have the guy better suited for battle going against the likes of the Rays, RedSux, BJays and O’s lineups.

    I see the point about Mitre but Mitre has actually been excellent in his long man role coming out of the ‘pen whereas Colon and Freddy are both unknowns in that role.

    If I were making the decision I think I’d name Colon the #5, Freddy the #6/long man and trade Mitre. With Prior in AAA as well i’d feel good about him maybe replacing 1 of Colon/Garcia should one of them develop warts.

  134. blake March 24th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    Mick,

    Why not….it was zero risk. As others have said….insurance against injury and to provide depth.

  135. mick March 24th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    Colon has been everything that the Yanks could have hoped for in ST.
    To cut him now would be ludicrous.

  136. Triple Short of a Cycle March 24th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Irreverent Discourse,

    It is a head to head points league

    1b – 1, 2b – 2, 3b – 3, HR – 4, GSHR – 1, R – 1, RBI – 1, BB – 1, HBP – 1, SB – 2

  137. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Colon has been everything that the Yanks could have hoped for in ST.
    To cut him now would be ludicrous.

    It’s too risky to put him in the rotation. Stick him in the pen…

  138. blake March 24th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    “Other than last year Garcia hadn’t thrown any significant innings in the 4yrs previous.”

    Key though is the other than last year…..honestly the season almost certainly doesn’t hang in the balance over this decision. I prefer Garcia for the rotation but Colon has shown them enough to keep as well…..

  139. 77yanks March 24th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Seems Girardi is leaning towards Garcia.I think he’s nuts not to give Colon the#5 spot.His stuff is much better than Garcia’s .I’d rather have a guy a few pounds overweight with a fastball and excellent control than a guy without one and in good shape.I go with Colon,then Mitre for the long man.If Colon gets hurt,use Mitre or try some of the kids .

  140. Joe from Long Island March 24th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    It’s late, but good morning, all –

    1. Was the Newsday reporter watching a different game than the one I was last night? Calling Hughes’ outing ineffective, or whatever term he used? Yeah, the line wasn’t all that impressive, but to ignore – or not even realize – the cut fastball/slider that Phil was throwing, and how he was commanding it, was to miss the most important part of his outing. I don’t get it.

    2. I think what Colon wants is a ML contract. If he goes to sit in the pen and stick sunflower seeds in his cheek, I don’t think he’ll mind. Might even be good for his longevity, as there seem to be questions as to how many innings he can give. Good FB out of the pen? I can live with that.

    3. Yanks might be impressed enough with the pitchers in AAA to not be worried about having enough SPs if they part with Mitre, Sanchez.

    Duty calls…..

  141. blake March 24th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Im not a Knick fan but they really have to get rid of D’antoni…..maybe the globetrotters need a coach.

  142. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    It’s too risky to put him in the rotation.
    ——————–
    what is the risk?

  143. blake March 24th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Joe,

    This is why most reporters should report instead of trying to analyze the actual play…..most have no idea what they are talking about and just spread ignorance to the fanbase.

  144. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    The Knicks need a big man and a point guard.

  145. Fran the original March 24th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Erica,

    Waiver order was reverse of the draft order, so Patrick was 1 and Kate 14. As you know, once you claim, you go to the bottom of the list and everyone else moves up.

  146. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    what is the risk?

    He hasn’t pitched significant innings in like 4 years dude… how is that NOT a risk?

  147. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    then why work him out in ST– for what end?

  148. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Erica – I too tried for Berkman. I was just going to ask you where the waiver order was posted. I know I started out at 7th and dropped to 14th. I hate that but had to make some moves so am now in last place. Hopefully my team works out for a while because if any good player becomes a FA or gets put on waivers, I’m screwed, glued and tatooed.

    :(

  149. blake March 24th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Colon didn’t pitch at all last season and hasn’t thrown 100 innings since 2005.

  150. Mell March 24th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    “The Knicks need a big man and a point guard.”

    Little depth wouldn’t hurt either.

  151. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Erin March 24th, 2011 at 10:56 am
    We know what Swisher’s doing on his day off.

    JoAnnaLGarcia Wizarding World of Harry Potter…here WE come! @ERob3 @NickSwisher…r u as excited as I am???
    ____________________

    All this talk about Garcia starting is ridiculous. I think if JoAnna L Garcia could start, she would have at least tried to appear in some games and show us her stuff….but Noooooooo, pitching is apparently tooooooooooo “messy” for her! I don’t want to hear anymore of this Garcia for starter stuff!

  152. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Chris Paul and Dwight Howard oughtta do it.

  153. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    How about Jerry Garcia?

  154. brownies March 24th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Garcia will last 4 innings. Scouts are puzzled by lack of velocity we were told the other day.

  155. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Colon didn’t pitch at all last season and hasn’t thrown 100 innings since 2005.
    ———————-
    Then why invite him to camp?

  156. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Just who is expecting Colon to throw 200 innings this year? Why is that even a criteria for discussion?

    All we need is to win as many as we can early in season and buy time until the kids are ready to contribute or until there is a good pitcher on the market for acquisition. If Colon gives us 10 good games and 5 bad ones, each of 6 innings each, I’d sign up for that today. That’s only 90 innings…big deal!

    And I take Colon over Garcia because he has a chance to dominate games still with his stuff and smarts. The guy has been a 20 game winner twice and won a Cy Young! He knows how to win!

    Let him start the season as #4 or #5 and if he can’t cut it, you have Garcia at the ready.

  157. pat March 24th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Erin

    and presumably D Rob

  158. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    then why work him out in ST– for what end?

    Dude learn to read.

    I already said, in case of injury and others have said because there is no risk to signing him for ST.

  159. Fran the original March 24th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Mick,

    Dwight Howard was on Jimmy Fallon the other night and he said he wants to stay in Orlando. He is very happy there.

  160. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:15 am
    How about Jerry Garcia?
    _______________
    His agent (God) hasn’t been returning phone calls and it has been impossible to get him in camp.

  161. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Fran

    They all do that.
    When I was in Orlando reports were he wants out.
    They are shrewd businessmen these days.
    I’d say he likes the Lakers, which I also heard.

  162. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    How about Cherry Garcia?

  163. Erin March 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    pat March 24th, 2011 at 11:20 am
    Erin

    and presumably D Rob

    *************************
    pat-I know, I forgot poor D Rob in my post.

    I find it very cool that his wife’s name is Erin BTW ;)

  164. Against All Odds March 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    # Fran the original March 24th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Mick,

    Dwight Howard was on Jimmy Fallon the other night and he said he wants to stay in Orlando. He is very happy there.

    ————————-

    When they lose in the PS I want to see what he says

  165. Against All Odds March 24th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    # mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Fran

    They all do that.
    When I was in Orlando reports were he wants out.
    They are shrewd businessmen these days.
    I’d say he likes the Lakers, which I also heard.

    ————————–

    Yea if he does leave he’ll go to LA

  166. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    The point about Colon not winning the rotation spot because he was hired with low expectations (insurance only) is irrelevant IMO. So what? He has shown more than anyone expected. He was signed because Tony Pena saw a very good pitcher that could make the club, and he has proven Pena correct.

    At this point, it is unimportant why he was invited…the only thing that matters is what he has shown.

  167. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am
    How about Cherry Garcia?
    ________________
    Colon has a date with Cherry Garcia almost every night.

  168. Against All Odds March 24th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    # blake March 24th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Im not a Knick fan but they really have to get rid of D’antoni…..maybe the globetrotters need a coach.

    ———————-

    Mike will get until next season unless the Knicks don’t win a game for the rest of the yr

  169. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    erica, im not sure what your waiver # is but you might want to save that. i pretty much never use a waiver pick unless the guy im picking up is going to start for me (unless im #9 or higher). the waiver is often the best way to get a replacement for an injured player. in the course of a season you might only get near the top of the waiver list one time, so when you get closer to the front of that line you really want to think twice before you use you waiver pick.

    to be honest, theres nobody on that waiver list i’d spend a top half waiver pick on.

  170. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Actually, just read a report that the Yankees did have Jerry Garcia in for a tryout but he proved to be a real stiff.

  171. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Dude learn to read.

    I already said, in case of injury and others have said because there is no risk to signing him for ST.
    =====================
    Kid try to comprehend.
    They have not signed him for ST. No such thing.
    So if no one gets injured in ST , no matter how good he was in ST, he does not make the team?
    Someone has to get injured for him to make the team and THEN be signed?
    Get it? Dude.

  172. blake March 24th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Mick,

    Why not? What if Nova, Garcia, and Mitre had all gotten hurt? He may make the team anyway but you have to take into account that he hasn’t pitched much lately……you can’t disregard that when making the rotation decision.

  173. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    “BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:24 am
    The point about Colon not winning the rotation spot because he was hired with low expectations (insurance only) is irrelevant IMO. So what? He has shown more than anyone expected.”

    i agree that colon has shown more than anyone expected.

    in spring training.

    i can handle getting rid of mitre and putting freddy in the long spot to start with colon in the rotation, but if they send nova down, i think its a really bad move.

  174. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    blake

    if Colon makes the team, it is to be a starter, agreed?
    they knew his history when they invited him.

  175. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    YsGuy

    Deal. End of debate. There–fixed that.

  176. Tarheel In NYC March 24th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    1 week until Opening Day :-D

  177. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    sweeney murti just brought up the idea of the yankees hiring a catcher to start the season as the b/u.

    i said like 4 days ago i wodered what chad moeller was doing, and it turned out at the time that he had just been released by colorado.

  178. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    i can handle getting rid of mitre and putting freddy in the long spot to start with colon in the rotation, but if they send nova down, i think its a really bad move.
    ===========================
    why would they send nova down if thy got rid of mitre?

  179. Irreverent Discourse March 24th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    triple – knowing what we expect cano to do (100r, 110 rbi 26hr 3sb .309/.363/.509), kinsler would probably be 3rd or behind pedroia at least and possibly behind weeks/uggla as well.

    he’ll have enough trouble staying on the field i think… makes that a pretty risky pick.

  180. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    mick,

    I’m not a kid.

    They signed him to a minor league deal and if he doesn’t make the team he can opt out. He’s there for depth and injury insurance. He isn’t making the team unless there’s an injury or he agrees to pitch out of the pen.

    I don’t know how much clearer I can make it.

  181. Doreen March 24th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    I’m pretty happy with my team right now. Just waiting for Morales to be DL’d so I can move him to DL and find someone to replace him with. Have to do some work on what that could be.

  182. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    blake March 24th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    he hasn’t pitched much lately……you can’t disregard that when making the rotation decision.
    ______________
    Again..SO WHAT? Even if he blows out his arm after 5 good starts, those are 5 wins that count at season’s end in what may be a very tight race. I would rather win those 5 than pitch a mediocre pitcher and maybe just win 2 or 3 of those games.

    Right now, Colon is pitching at the level of an 16-20 game winner. Let’s see how long we can ride this pony.

  183. Tom in N.J. March 24th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Quotes, via Chad, from when Colon signed:

    “The signing has been confirmed by a Yankees source who said Colon pitched well enough in the Dominican to make the Yankees believe he still has something left. “He just threw well, as simple as that,” the source said. “He’s someone who showed he still has good stuff.”

    “Colon is being looked at strictly as a rotation option — “As many insurance policies as we can collect is valuable” — and if he doesn’t make the team out of spring training, he will be either released or traded. The Yankees have no plans of using Colon in Triple-A.”

  184. Fran the original March 24th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Mick and Against All Odds,

    I also heard Howard linked to the Lakers if he leaves Orlando.

  185. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    He isn’t making the team unless there’s an injury or he agrees to pitch out of the pen.
    ==============================
    That’s just your opinion. I think you’re wrong.

  186. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 11:34 am
    mick,

    I’m not a kid.

    They signed him to a minor league deal and if he doesn’t make the team he can opt out. He’s there for depth and injury insurance. He isn’t making the team unless there’s an injury or he agrees to pitch out of the pen.
    _____________
    why don’t you bet him some chocolate through the Trisha online betting service?

    I’d take that bet myself but have sworn off gambling.

  187. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    The Yankees have no plans of using Colon in Triple-A.”
    ================
    Or in the bullpen.

  188. Erica in NY March 24th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Fran the original March 24th, 2011 at 11:10 am
    Erica,

    Waiver order was reverse of the draft order, so Patrick was 1 and Kate 14. As you know, once you claim, you go to the bottom of the list and everyone else moves up.

    *************

    That makes sense,

    I was really excited about MPF Lance Berkman :-(

  189. Against All Odds March 24th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    # Fran the original March 24th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Mick and Against All Odds,

    I also heard Howard linked to the Lakers if he leaves Orlando.

    ——————————

    That would set the Lakers up for another run as Kobe gets older. I’m sure they’re thinking about it

  190. upstate kate March 24th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    I am already at the bottom of the list, how can I go any lower?

  191. Irreverent Discourse March 24th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    is MPF my pretend father or something?

    You should refer to him as MPP… my pretend puma…

  192. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Tom in N.J. March 24th, 2011 at 11:34 am
    Quotes, via Chad, from when Colon signed:

    “The signing has been confirmed by a Yankees source who said Colon pitched well enough in the Dominican to make the Yankees believe he still has something left. “He just threw well, as simple as that,” the source said. “He’s someone who showed he still has good stuff.”

    “Colon is being looked at strictly as a rotation option — “As many insurance policies as we can collect is valuable” — and if he doesn’t make the team out of spring training, he will be either released or traded. The Yankees have no plans of using Colon in Triple-A.”
    _____________
    And yet things change. Reports are that the Yankees asked him if he would consider going to AAA just in case.

    Again! What happened before ST is irrelevant. They now have more info to process and can change their minds based on that info.

  193. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    That’s just your opinion. I think you’re wrong.

    Obviously it’s my opinion but you keep asking the same questions of us to justify our opinions. If the Yankees drop Nova or Garcia to keep Colon it will be an extreme risk.

  194. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    upstate kate March 24th, 2011 at 11:38 am
    I am already at the bottom of the list, how can I go any lower?
    ___________
    Declare that you are a Red Sox fan?

  195. Fran the original March 24th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Doreen,

    You have a good team. Looking forward to our Week 1 match-up :)

  196. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Colon has pitched lights out in ST.
    What more could they have asked of him?
    He won the spot.

  197. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    If the Yankees drop Nova or Garcia to keep Colon it will be an extreme risk.
    ================================================
    That does not have to happen.

  198. upstate kate March 24th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    BoJo
    that was wicked cruel

  199. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:40 am
    Colon has pitched lights out in ST.
    What more could they have asked of him?
    _____________
    I think they also asked him to cater a party, and he did that too.

  200. Tom in N.J. March 24th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Bojo, perhaps things have changed, but the question of the day was why did the Yankees bring Colon in to ST. If you go back to the day he signed, the quotes/rational behind the move are right there…

  201. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    when you are the last one on the list you might as well put in a waiver claim. if anyone else wants to take him and get behind you in line, they get him but you get him before he becomes a f/a.

  202. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Colon has pitched lights out in ST.
    What more could they have asked of him?
    He won the spot.

    You are under the false impression that spring training performance actually matters

  203. Fran the original March 24th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Kate,

    You have already moved up :)
    All of the other who got their waiver claims went to the bottom of the list.

  204. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Lol@Kate! Very good!

  205. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    That does not have to happen.

    Of course it does

    What’s the other option?

  206. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Tom in N.J. March 24th, 2011 at 11:42 am
    Bojo, perhaps things have changed, but the question of the day was why did the Yankees bring Colon in to ST. If you go back to the day he signed, the quotes/rational behind the move are right there…
    _________________
    IMO the question of the day was irrelevant. Not sure why people are even bringing it up.

  207. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    That would set the Lakers up for another run as Kobe gets older. I’m sure they’re thinking about it
    ==========================
    This would doom the Knicks and Melo would become the scapegoat.

  208. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    What’s the other option?
    ===============
    Do something to Mitre.

  209. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 11:43 am
    That does not have to happen.

    Of course it does

    What’s the other option?
    _____________
    Ummm, just what everyone has been posting for like the last few days…

    Trade Mitre, put Nova as #4 or #5 , put Garcia as long man, and start Colon.

  210. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    “BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:42 am
    mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:40 am
    Colon has pitched lights out in ST.
    What more could they have asked of him?”

    /////

    while i understand that colon has shown ‘stuff’ and enough velocity to get by, you still have to remember that the results are spring training results. it has still been 2 years since he got a major league batter out in a game that mattered.
    proceed with caution. if you release mitre and colon doesnt have it, then you’ve lost your long man.

  211. champ809 March 24th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Colon wasn’t signed in case of injury. He was signed because the Yanks had 2 openings in their rotation and a bunch of kids that they thought were not ready for the job other than Nova.

    Freddy Garcia was signed for the same reason and was anything but a lock to make the team. If it were not for the fact that he made 30 starts last year this competition would be over.

    It was an open competition in every way essentially between Mitre-Garcia-Colon unless the Yanks made a trade and brought someone else in. Colon is running away with the competition to date and deserves the job.

    The lack of innings over the past 5yrs is a factor in the decision but should not be the determinate. Freddy Garcia posed that same risk to the White Sox last year, they took it and were “rewarded’ with 30 starts and 150 league average innings as a result. Colon could provide the Yanks with the same if not improved reward. The beauty is we may not need that much from him as a 1/2 season may do and if he begins to run out of gas come July then the 1st of the “Killer B’s” in Brackman should be ready.

  212. Triple Short of a Cycle March 24th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Irreverent Discourse,

    I wouldn’t touch Kinsler because of his health. In the first round I want as safe and reliable pick as can be. Tex,Braun,Miggy,Pujols,Hram. Cano has only put up first round numbers for 1 year. I would need to see him do it at least for another year before I picked him in the first

  213. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Do something to Mitre.

    And go with a 6 man rotation? or are we putting one of Nova/Garcia in the bullpen?

    I’ve said all along it’s fine with me if Colon makes the team over Mitre but I’d prefer Nova/Garcia in the rotation

  214. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    I can’t believe the Yanks brought in Colon ONLY for the event somebody gets hurt.
    The guy has a perfect ST and they just let him go.
    I don’t think so.

  215. West Coast Yankee Fan March 24th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Garcia his last two starts has looked awful. He throws junk and leaves balls up and if that continues could get killed in the AL East and make Javy look good. This entire rotation debate though is no real surprise. It a weakness for us going into the season and it’s something we will have to overcome. Aside from “maybe” Brackman, I don’t see anyone in AAA that can help us later this year. Hopefully a deal will be made by the trade deadline but that’s no sure thing either,

  216. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    AGAIN, why can’t Mitre be DL’ed, didn’t he have an oblique problem?

  217. Against All Odds March 24th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    # mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    That would set the Lakers up for another run as Kobe gets older. I’m sure they’re thinking about it
    ==========================
    This would doom the Knicks and Melo would become the scapegoat.

    ———————————————-

    The Knicks will be fine. They’ll get Cp3, fill out the rest of the roster, and maybe change the coach.

    I can’t believe Melo is catching all this heat but hey this is what NYers do lol.

  218. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    if you release mitre and colon doesnt have it, then you’ve lost your long man
    ____________________________
    All part of my master plan to get them to make Joba long man and then #5, but you found me out. Please tell me where you live so I can come and kill you and erase the clues so the plan remains a secret.

    Seriously, if Garcia and Colon don’t work out, Mitre as #5 was not much better than having Brackman give it a go, or Noesi, or Warren. And for long man, I’d be fine with bringing up someone like the guy we just got back on waivers.

    But if Cash plays cards right and trades mitre to his buddy Towers, we might even be able to re-acquire him. It’s been done before.

  219. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    I never said to let Colon go, he should make the team and be the long man. I doubt they could DL Mitre since he’s healthy now. Just cut him, he’s not good.

    I just think you guys are putting too much emphasis on spring training numbers. If Colon can help out of the pen that’s cool but I don’t see him as a legitimate rotation option

  220. Irreverent Discourse March 24th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    triple – i agree, i hardly ever use mainstream ADP charts because they are just god awful…
    having cano ranked up there in the top10 is a bit insane if you ask me. I’ll take the extra 10-15hr’s and monumental shift in OBP/SLG from a 1B before I touch a “thin” position :)

  221. Triple Short of a Cycle March 24th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Against All Odds,

    He is catching all this heat because he looks totally disinterested half the time. The other half he looks pissed off

  222. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    NYers are desperate for a winner. Did you see the welcome Melo got?
    Now he doesn’t do interviews after the game.
    He is setting himself up for a fall.
    Last night the booing started. It might get worse as each game goes by.

  223. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    i dont see mitre as thier #5, just as thier longman. he hasnt been horrible there, which is the best you can usually say about a long man and i dont like the idea of having to find out whether garcia or colon can do it when i kinow mitre can.

  224. Against All Odds March 24th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    if you release mitre and colon doesnt have it, then you’ve lost your long man
    ____________________________
    All part of my master plan to get them to make Joba long man and then #5, but you found me out. Please tell me where you live so I can come and kill you and erase the clues so the plan remains a secret.

    Seriously,

    You were just joking ok..ok

    *quickly throws ski mask in garbage*

  225. Against All Odds March 24th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    # mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    NYers are desperate for a winner. Did you see the welcome Melo got?
    Now he doesn’t do interviews after the game.
    He is setting himself up for a fall.
    Last night the booing started. It might get worse as each game goes by.

    ——————————

    They shouldn’t be booing especially since he played well last night

  226. Triple Short of a Cycle March 24th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Irreverent Discourse,

    I can’t post the link to the Baseball HQ study since it is a pay site but they found that only like 30 to 40 percent of projected 1st rounders finished up as first rounders the following year

  227. Against All Odds March 24th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    # Triple Short of a Cycle March 24th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Against All Odds,

    He is catching all this heat because he looks totally disinterested half the time. The other half he looks pissed off

    ——————————-

    He has issues to work on I can’t deny that.

  228. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:53 am
    NYers are desperate for a winner. Did you see the welcome Melo got?
    Now he doesn’t do interviews after the game.
    He is setting himself up for a fall.
    Last night the booing started. It might get worse as each game goes by.

    /////

    first of all, knicks fans, not nyers in general

    secondly, was this booing before or after they were chanting M..V..P for stoudamilre? (who was putting up an MVP-like 13 pts)

  229. blake March 24th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Mick,

    If colon makes the team then it’ll be for starter insurance but not necessarily to start.

  230. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    They aren’t booing Melo alone, it’s the team.
    Moreso they are unrealistic and set their expectations too high in the Melo deal.
    He might not be as great as advertised and may have more trouble in NY than he anticipated.
    They need help or they are not a good basketball team.

  231. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    If colon makes the team then it’ll be for starter insurance but not necessarily to start.
    ============================
    blake

    if that happens he should look elsewhere, he’ll get more money.

  232. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    By the way, let me just say I’m really excited about Colon’s performance. I almost want the Yankees to put him in the rotation because there’s a shot that he pitches really really well for us. But it still worries me because I don’t think he can throw 200 innings or even 150 innings. What happens if Garcia is in the pen half the year then Colon’s arm blows up? I don’t think Garcia could step right in and start, it would take awhile for him to build up his pitch count. I’m also not convinced Colon would pitch better than Garcia who is a safer bet. Garcia is always crap in spring training but can turn it on for the regular season

  233. West Coast Yankee Fan March 24th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Maybe Melo should start charging for interviews like Girardi does.

  234. mick March 24th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    secondly, was this booing before or after they were chanting M..V..P for stoudamilre? (who was putting up an MVP-like 13 pts)
    =====================
    Knick fans are not as smart as they are made out to be.

  235. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Disappointing comments by Aaron on ARod. What’s this guy even talking about? ARod has a Hollywood girlfriend. What’s he doing besides having a personal life that is taking his focus away from the game?
    ARod has never not focused on baseball. It’s pretty much his whole life. & for a player with an I-me-mine reputation, he sure knows a lot about his fellow teammates, every pitcher in the majors & even has a handle on the Yankee prospects. Hangs out with young “nobody” players, puts an arm around them, makes them comfortable,invites them to train with him. This plus a legendary workout regimen. He’s as dedicated as they come.
    As for X-player on him playing in small parks, you’d think ARod was a left-handed pull hitter, or adead-pull hitter like Sheff.Meanwhile, abusers like Kobe Bryant and Rothlisberger enjoy a public amnesia because of their sports exploits.

  236. mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    But it still worries me because I don’t think he can throw 200 innings or even 150 innings.
    =============================
    Why does he have to?
    If Garcia said he can handle the pen, let him.
    Colon deserves the 1st shot and Garcia is a better option han Mitre as the starter in waiting, the one ala Moseley, Small etc…they always look for at the trade deadline.

  237. mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Aaron is out of the loop, who cares what he says. At least Mays keeps his mouth shut.

  238. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Why does he have to?
    If Garcia said he can handle the pen, let him.
    Colon deserves the 1st shot and Garcia is a better option han Mitre as the starter in waiting, the one ala Moseley, Small etc…they always look for at the trade deadline.

    I don’t know that Garcia can step in as a starter if you put him in the pen. It would take awhile for him to build up his pitch count.

    If you go with Colon I think you lose Garcia as a starter which is a big risk IMO

  239. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    blake March 24th, 2011 at 11:57 am
    Mick,

    If colon makes the team then it’ll be for starter insurance but not necessarily to start.
    ____________
    we’ll know in 3 or 4 days, won’t we? Thank all this nonsense can stop. It really doesn’t matter what our opinions are as to who will ultimately start, relieve, or be traded.

    But you’re wrong.

    :-)

  240. mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    If you go with Colon I think you lose Garcia as a starter which is a big risk IMO
    ———————————–
    If you go with Garcia , the same applies to Colon.

  241. blake March 24th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Mick,

    If Colon gets bombed in his next outing will it change your mind?

  242. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    As for X-player on him playing in small parks
    __________
    IIRC, there is only 1 X player in the pros, and that is Xavier Nady. If he has a grudge against ARod, it probably stems from his losing a job here and is just sour grapes. SHAME ON YOU XAVIER!!

    :-)

  243. mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    If Feliciano is hurt this whole argument is moot as Mitre and Garcia could be in the pen.

  244. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    blake March 24th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
    Mick,

    If Colon gets bombed in his next outing will it change your mind?
    ________________
    Well, I certainly wouldn’t want to be tasked with cleaning up after a Colon bomb…that’s for sure.

  245. blake March 24th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Bojo,

    Wouldn’t be the first time…

  246. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    mick – Aaron as a former great & ambassador of the game should be more responsible in his remarks.

  247. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    If you go with Garcia , the same applies to Colon.

    Probably true BUT as I keep saying, I think Garcia is the safer bet. Just the simple fact that Garcia pitched a full year last year means he’s a better bet

  248. mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Mick,

    If Colon gets bombed in his next outing will it change your mind?
    ========================
    Blake

    Are you saying I’m an impetuous fan?
    Good question though.
    Since we all have that what-have-you-done-lately-for-me mentality.
    Colon seems to be on a mission, maybe that mentality needs to be embraced.

  249. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Aaron is a really bad sport. I remember him grumbling something about his lawn when Bonds was closing in on his record.

  250. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    If Feliciano is hurt this whole argument is moot as Mitre and Garcia could be in the pen.

    How about Prior? If we already have a long reliever I might go with Prior over Mitre

  251. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    i have the feeling that garcia, colon and chavez will all be gone by the end of this year. the yankees tend to turn the bench over every year and you know they are going to be looking for a SP in the trade market. plus brackman might be pushing to come up by then.

    i like chavez and im really happy he’s going to be in pinstripes, but you really really cant count on him for anything. whatever we get there is just gravy.

    so im not that worried about whether colon has 150 innings in him, if he’s only got 100 good innings, i think we’ll be fine.

  252. pat March 24th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    The full Player X diatribe is up on ESPN but need to be an Insider to read it.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/ins.....id=6253380

  253. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Jeez Patrick, just place a candy bet with him and be done with it.

  254. Triple Short of a Cycle March 24th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    I am so sick of these ex players who blast current players. Even Goosage said something about Rivera a few years ago. The fact of the matter is today’s athlete’s no matter what sport are bigger stronger and better then their forefathers ever were

  255. I Like Inge March 24th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Sounds like more A-Rod hate by another jealous player with inferior skills.

  256. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Jeez Patrick, just place a candy bet with him and be done with it.

    Uh no.

    We are just having a discussion or a debate however you want to put it.

  257. mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Probably true BUT as I keep saying, I think Garcia is the safer bet. Just the simple fact that Garcia pitched a full year last year means he’s a better bet
    =================================
    So back to the original question. Why bother with Colon at all?
    In case of an injury or Freddy flopping, I know, but why not gamble a little.
    We rode a hot hand with Aaron Small and even Moseley, why not Colon?
    Freddy in the pen will be ok.

  258. blake March 24th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    I vote for mystery pitcher for the 5th spot.

  259. mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    We are just having a discussion or a debate however you want to put it.
    ===========================================
    Leave the debates to the lawyers in here.

  260. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle March 24th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    I agree. Aaron couldn’t even crack the starting lineup for this team. I mean, who wants to see a 60 plus year old staggering around in the OF and cursing at the young players?

  261. mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    I vote for mystery pitcher for the 5th spot.
    ==================
    Bring Back Aaron Small.

  262. mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Jeez Patrick, just place a candy bet with him and be done with it.
    ==================================
    His name is Mick and don’t forget it, he supplies you with material for your one-liners.

  263. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    from player x blog on espn:

    :In spring training, clubhouse chatter about contracts is common. What’s not common is when a player drops his agent in the middle of his contract, like Mark Teixeira just did with Scott Boras. Remember that A-Rod also dropped Boras after becoming a Yankee. I think that’s a sign that these guys want to be known for their teams and performances — not for their agent. Some players think of Boras as just a contract rep. If you’re an All Star, he’ll get you your big deal. But this league is made up of more role players than All Stars, and guys have told me that Boras doesn’t even bother with you once you fall off that top tier. I bet big-name guys who are struggling, like Barry Zito and Oliver Perez, don’t like being Boras’ clients, because his priorities seem to be elsewhere. For their sake, I hope Boras makes his guys see sports psychologists and personal trainers when their performances slump. Because that’s what I want: an agent committed to my career, not just a commission”

  264. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    The full Player X diatribe is up on ESPN but need to be an Insider to read it.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/ins…..id=6253380

    That’s pretty awesome to be quite honest…

  265. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    Patrick, at this point, it really isn’t a discussion or debate. The points have been made on each side, and it has devolved into “I think this” versus “they think that”…

    Two different opinions when the answer will be revealed in 3 to 4 days. Neither side will convince the other, so I respectfully suggest either bet on it or move on to the next topic.

  266. mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Any more to say Patrick cause I’m about to be outta here?

  267. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Leave the debates to the lawyers in here.

    Then stop questioning me because I’m clearly right :)

    Seriously though, what’s the problem with discussing the team? Isn’t that what the blog is for?

  268. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    Jeez Patrick, just place a candy bet with him and be done with it.
    ==================================
    His name is Mick and don’t forget it, he supplies you with material for your one-liners.
    ________________
    You’ll get your commission check at the end of the month like always…and be happy about it, damnit!

  269. mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Seriously though, what’s the problem with discussing the team? Isn’t that what the blog is for?
    ===================================================
    Nothing. It beats the Muppets and cooking recipes. Just don’t call me dude, kid. :)

  270. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    ” Every guy I know in MLB would rather have Pujols hitting on his side than Alex Rodriguez, so I think Camp Albert has every right to want more money than Rodriguez makes. A-Rod is overpaid. Sure, he plays third, a more premium position on defense than first, but even if they played the same spot, I’d take Pujols. Everything he does at the plate he does well. His career numbers trump Hank Aaron’s at this stage and his supporting cast is nowhere near A-Rod’s. Rodriguez’s numbers, on the other hand, are inflated. He’s mostly played in smaller ballparks or been surrounded by hitters so good he can just pound away. Pujols is no Mr. Congeniality, but he’s flat-out better than the rest of us. If I were a GM, I’d think it was a steal to get him at eight years and $180 million. He and his agent ended up asking for more, but frankly, the Cardinals should have paid it, whatever it was. Everytime I watched SportsCenter and saw they hadn’t locked him up, I shook my head. I wasn’t the only one.”

  271. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
    Leave the debates to the lawyers in here.

    Then stop questioning me because I’m clearly right

    Seriously though, what’s the problem with discussing the team? Isn’t that what the blog is for?
    _________
    Fine, but please bring new material or be funny…or both.

  272. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Two different opinions when the answer will be revealed in 3 to 4 days. Neither side will convince the other, so I respectfully suggest either bet on it or move on to the next topic.

    I think mick and I are quite capable of deciding for ourselves what to post on the blog, we don’t need you to moderate.

  273. austinmac March 24th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    I thought the Yankees felt in a few months they could likely acquire a starter or one of their prospects woulod be ready by then. If that is the case Colon is pitching the best now and if, and I say if, he can’t do it all year, replace him later in the year. The real question, and the only one that can truly be answered now, is who gives you the best chance to win in the immediate future. That appears to be Colon.

  274. mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    You’ll get your commission check at the end of the month like always…and be happy about it, damnit!
    ==========================
    Jeez, are you trying to replace Nick as the resident wit.

  275. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    “Colon has a date with Cherry Garcia almost every night.”

    Especially if he has lactose intolerance…

  276. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Nothing. It beats the Muppets and cooking recipes. Just don’t call me dude, kid.

    Didn’t mean it as an insult boss. And no I have nothing further to say on the topic we were discussin

  277. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Don’t call him dude, buddy…

    Don’t call him buddy, kid….

    Don’t call him kid, dude…

    See South Park for original version.

  278. Erica in NY March 24th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

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    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....derek.html

  279. mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

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    ================
    He thinks he’s funny Patrick, let him be, like Freddy.

  280. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
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    ==========================
    Jeez, are you trying to replace Nick as the resident wit.
    _______________
    Only half way there…
    :-)

  281. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Fine, but please bring new material or be funny…or both.

    I’ve been posting on this blog for years now you roll up and tell me how I should post? I like you Bojo but get a clue, you aren’t the moderator of all discussions on the blog.

  282. blake March 24th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    ” Every guy I know in MLB would rather have Pujols hitting on his side than Alex Rodriguez”

    And every guy in baseball would rather have Alex Rodiguez than Player X.

  283. Erica in NY March 24th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
    Seriously though, what’s the problem with discussing the team? Isn’t that what the blog is for?
    ===================================================
    Nothing. It beats the Muppets and cooking recipes. Just don’t call me dude, kid
    ***************

    There haven’t been a whole lot of Muppets and cooking recipes lately.

    But if you have a problem with the blog levity, as always I invite you to scroll past SIR.

  284. mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Bojo, you supply quantity, Nick goes for quality.

  285. stuckey99 March 24th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    “How about Prior? If we already have a long reliever I might go with Prior over Mitre”

    Prior has all but asked to go to AAA to start the year.

  286. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    mick March 24th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
    Bojo, you supply quantity, Nick goes for quality.
    _________________
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  287. pat March 24th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    “That’s pretty awesome to be quite honest…”

    So “awesome” that he should have signed his name to it?

  288. Erin March 24th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
    Don?t call him dude, buddy?

    Don?t call him buddy, kid?.

    Don?t call him kid, dude?

    See South Park for original version.

    ***********************

    :lol:

    I love that episode

  289. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
    Fine, but please bring new material or be funny…or both.

    I’ve been posting on this blog for years now you roll up and tell me how I should post? I like you Bojo but get a clue, you aren’t the moderator of all discussions on the blog.
    _______________
    I’m just joking with you Patrick, and trying to stir up business for Trisha’s candy betting site. :-)

    No offense meant.

  290. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Watch it, bud.
    Who are you calling bud, pal?
    Who are you calling pal, friend?
    Who are you calling friend, JACKASS!?
    Don’t call me a jackass!
    I just did call you a jackass!

  291. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Erin-

    One of my favorite shows…

  292. LGY March 24th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    This entire rotation debate though is no real surprise. It a weakness for us going into the season and it’s something we will have to overcome. Aside from “maybe” Brackman, I don’t see anyone in AAA that can help us later this year. Hopefully a deal will be made by the trade deadline but that’s no sure thing either,

    =================

    West Coast Yankee Fan February 28th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    I think Sabathia, Hughes, Burnett, Nova and Garcia/Colon are good enough to win with. With Mitre, Brackman, Noesi, Phelps and Warren and the ability to make a deal mid-season if they need to I am no longer worried about the rotation.

  293. LGY March 24th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    champ + WCYF,

    Garcia vs the top 5 offenses in the American League last year:

    9 starts, 60 innings, 6 2/3 innings per starter, 3.15 ERA

  294. Triple Short of a Cycle March 24th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Erica in NY,

    Don’t call him sir, junior :)

  295. pat March 24th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    From Bonds trial- :smile:

    gwenknapp At some point, Hoskins is going to get his own name wrong here.

  296. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    If you like South Park, you might want to try Archer–tonight on cable…

  297. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    I have to say I absolutely love my pitching! And I will happily stay in 14th place in the waiver order – well don’t know how happily but it was worth it for me to switch off for the players I wanted to get.

    :)

    Now if someone would just go after a few players on the waiver line, I could move up a place or two.

    Did I mention that I love my pitching? I’ve gone some really good young kids and Soria as my closer, and I think it’s going to be great to watch. Plus I have Jiminez, and I think he’s the bomb!

    GO TEAM PERSPICACITY! (Yes, that’s what I named it. Not as cool as the other team names but better than Team G!)

    :)

    Later.

  298. LGY March 24th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Most people pushing for Colon seem to be for this ride him out for 10 or so starts.

    That is exactly what Colon did in 2009. 12 starts, 62.1 innings, 4.19 ERA. Seems these people would be very satisfied or happy with that.

    So that must mean he pitched really well in ST in 2009 to be able to do that, right?

    ST 2009:

    15 innings, 6.60 ERA

  299. BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    See you all later…off to work.

  300. stuckey99 March 24th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Patrick, Ocean’s Eleven, right?

  301. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    I’m just joking with you Patrick, and trying to stir up business for Trisha’s candy betting site.

    No offense meant.

    She has a candy betting site now?

    I’m afraid to bet there, trisha will come break my legs if I don’t pay up.

    trisha, change your name to “trisha – the candy bookie”

  302. Patrick March 24th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Patrick, Ocean’s Eleven, right?

    Right. Love the remake :)

  303. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    blake March 24th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
    ” Every guy I know in MLB would rather have Pujols hitting on his side than Alex Rodriguez”

    And every guy in baseball would rather have Alex Rodiguez than Player X.

    ///
    lol. any way, not in fall of 2009, they wouldn’t, when he was nearly the only guy hitting.what’s a disgrace is trying to discredit a player of Alex’s magnitude. envy is such a waste of energy. go do something special instead of crying about someone else’s level of special.

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    BoJo March 24th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
    If you like South Park, you might want to try Archer?tonight on cable?

    *************************

    Is that the one on FX?

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    If you like South Park, you might want to try Archer–tonight on cable…

    See I knew there was a reason I liked you, Archer is a great show.

  306. Erica in NY March 24th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle March 24th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
    Erica in NY,

    Don’t call him sir, junior

    *************

    I prefer Miss :-)

  307. Irreverent Discourse March 24th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    In 20 years we will look back at the “steroid era” just like we look at the corked bats, spitballs, cut balls and greenies now… no one cares.

    Every era had players looking for the edge to seperate themselves from the pack, and the past was no different than today.

  308. Irreverent Discourse March 24th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Archer is the best thing on television.

  309. West Coast Yankee Fan March 24th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Correct LGY – that was then and this is now. I wasn’t impressed with the young guys with the exception of Banuelos and Betances who are not going to pitch in the majors this season. Add to that Garcia’s poor performances last two times out.

  310. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    DJ Mitchell pitched well in ST,though he’s not on the B Boys level. ABrack didn’t pitch much but had some good moments.

  311. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

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  312. RayVT March 24th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Erica in NY March 24th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    I wish you had told me you wanted Berkman as I would have traded him to you for zip. I can’t believe he plays much this year.

  313. Erica in NY March 24th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    RayVT March 24th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
    Erica in NY March 24th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    I wish you had told me you wanted Berkman as I would have traded him to you for zip. I can’t believe he plays much this year.

    ***************

    You may be right, but there are so many players on my team showing DTD right now, I am just trying to think short term

    I would have given you something in return

  314. Triple Short of a Cycle March 24th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Erica in NY ,

    and I always took you for a ma’am :)

  315. Erica in NY March 24th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

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    I do answer to “Princess” occasionally.

    Obviously I am not royalty, but for some reason sometimes people refer to me as “Princess”. I wonder why……

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  317. RayVT March 24th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    I heard about an hr ago Dan Patrick on the radio discussing Buck’s comments about RSux GM. He lashed out at Buck & dissed him as an almost winner. He also said that the Yanks are the team that buys titles. He named Cashman as adding FA ARod, CC, AJ & Tex. Then he dissed the Yanks for signing their own players too. I guess he doesn’t remember that ARod was traded to the Yanks!

    These Beanheads are a joke! It is hard to listen to them for the 2% stuff that I’d like to know about!

  318. Erica in NY March 24th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

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    *************

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  319. stuckey99 March 24th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Freddy Garcia threw 21.2 ST innings last year giving up 40 hits, with only 13 k’ss, with a 10.38 ERA and a 2.03 WHIP.

    This year he’s thrown 13.2 innings to 13 hits, 13 k’s, a 5.93 ERA and a 1.10 WHIP.

    I get the whole “that was last year and this is this year thing”, but I’d like to see someone just address directly that Garcia has a history of being bad in the spring and he’s in fact been much better than his usually is, the year after he went out and have a VERY respectable year as a starter.

    Can one of his critics just respond to that head on?

  320. RayVT March 24th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Erica in NY March 24th, 2011 at 12:45 pm or Trisha?

    If you need a 1B, what would you trade me for Mitch Moreland, Tex?1B or Adam LaRoche, Was?1B?

  321. Tom in N.J. March 24th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

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  322. LGY March 24th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Correct LGY – that was then and this is now. I wasn’t impressed with the young guys with the exception of Banuelos and Betances who are not going to pitch in the majors this season. Add to that Garcia’s poor performances last two times out

    *****

    What were you basing your opinion on a month ago?

    How the kids pitch in AAA and AA will determine how much they help this year. Not a few innings in spring training.

    Garcia was even worse last spring.

    You are getting way too caught up in spring training performance.

  323. stuckey99 March 24th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    “I guess he doesn’t remember that ARod was traded to the Yanks!”

    Forget that. The entire world forgets he was traded to the Red Sox first.

  324. m March 24th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    What a chatty bunch today! Great stuff from everyone.

    I’m not married to the idea of Mitre. He’s an okay pitcher, does his job. But, his contract status is inflexible in terms of working the roster.

    He doesn’t get frequent work (as the long guy and they last guy in the pen that’s a good thing), and apparently he needs work to be effective as a sinkerballer.

    Nova/Garcia as your 4/5 or 5/4. Colon in the pen. If Freddie is Javy II turn to Colon. If Colon can’t cut it as a reliever, then find another option. Preferably one WITH options.

    Colon to the pen and you handcuff him to a treadmill on the days he’s not scheduled to pitch.

  325. Ys Guy March 24th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

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    but he manages the orioles and they have sucked forever.

    part of turning around a franchise is changing the way they see themselves.

    showalter is showing them not to be awed by anyone, even jeter.

    believe me, showalter is a big fan of jeters…

  326. Triple Short of a Cycle March 24th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

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    Same here and I’m 35 although I could prob pass for late 20′s

  327. blake March 24th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    Garcia has had better velocity this spring than last season.

  328. RayVT March 24th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    stuckey99 March 24th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    LOL! Very true Stuckey! LOL!

  329. LGY March 24th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

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  330. West Coast Yankee Fan March 24th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    Regarding Garcia and Colon, spring training is a big part of the decision making process. Otherwise the “competition” thing is just an insult to the players involved and the fans.

    A far as patterns from the past, I have a hard time putting much stock in them, Javy is a good example of that. Things change. That’s why a manager plays who is hot at the time.

    The other thing is just using my eyes; Colon looks like he has much better stuff than Garcia does and perhaps even more importantly. GREAT command and control.

    How long Colon might last falls in the speculative realm and I wouldn’t make a decision based on that. Well, maybe if you are talking about Nick Johnson.

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