Yankees add some experienced pitching depth
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 25, 2011 
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The greatest downside to keeping Ivan Nova on the big league roster seemed to be the loss of immediate pitching depth.
Optioning Nova to Triple-A would mean keeping all four candidates, and having Nova to replace an injured to ineffective starter. Keeping Nova in New York would mean losing one of the other candidates, leaving no experienced replacement waiting in Scranton.
That depth issue might have subsided this morning with Jon Heyman’s report that Kevin Millwood has agreed to a minor league deal.
With Millwood, the Yankees will have another Freddy Garcia-type waiting in Triple-A. He’s not flashy, and he’s no longer a front of the rotation type, but the Yankees can count on him for innings and they know the bright lights won’t faze him. If the young starters in Triple-A get off to slow starts, Millwood would be a reasonable alternative.
For those of us who enjoy minor league speculation, though, this does nothing to clear up an already cloudy Scranton/Wilkes-Barre pitching staff. By my count, the Yankees have 97 pitchers for 13 spots in Triple-A. Maybe it’s not quite that many, but it’s a lot.
so does this make it more or less likely that Nova will get the #4 spot?
More inexpensive insurance.
Kate-
IMO, more. Not that I ever doubted it.
Having experience starters available at SWB is one thing, but they need to have something left in the tank. In the first time in years, the Yankees actually have pitching prospects slotted for their starting staffs in SWB, Trenton and Tampa in high “A’ ball.
“so does this make it more or less likely that Nova will get the #4 spot?”
Neither
Kate-
I do think this impacts the Colon/Garcia/Mitre situation though.
I thought they would find a way to keep all 3 but now I would say one of them is likely to disappear.
Don’t know which one.
I think it makes it more likely that Nova makes the team, kate.
The hitch, per Chad (and I think Chad is wired into the Yankees’ thinking, maybe more than he lets on), is that by bringing Nova north, you lose one of the other guys (Freddy, Colon, Mitre). Now, with Millwood at AAA, you can still have the desired number of starting pitcher depth on hand.
I have started getting the impression that Sergio is the odd man out. We’ll know in a couple of days. Cash has said that teams have started calling around, looking for spare parts, and that he’s been getting called about his starting pitchers. Sergio, and maybe Romulo Sanchez, might be moving.
kate-I’d be shocked if Nova didn’t make the team
Joe-
Probably would go to an NL team if they did it.
What would you expect in return ? I wouldn’t expect much.
Nova more likely. Colon to be let go
Russo has a shock jock element to his delivery that many don’t like; I’m not particularly enamored with his voice and shtick but like hi or not he has a very popular show and network with many listeners. Girardi was wrong in not doing a few minutes with him during spring training IMO. It should have nothing to do with whether Russo likes the Yankees or not, every other manager in baseball gives his some time in spring training. Nor should it have anything to do with Girardi’s agent negotiating with Sirius for a spot this season. It’s Joe’s call not the agents. Just talk baseball for a few minutes. As Russo pointed out, it promotes the sport and baseball needs that right now.
Bob Raissman has a good column on the nuances this morning.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo….._for_.html
Raissman and Mad Dog are buddies so I wouldn’t place too much objectivity in his column.
I don’t think the Millwood signing has any impact on the major league roster – at least not for awhile yet.
It’s probably going to take the guy a month to be ready anyways so perhaps by then one of the vets like Colon will have run their course of effectiveness.
With Millwood “waiting in the wings” so to speak, they may be more inclined to go with Colon IMO… he’s performing at a pretty high level so they may as well “catch that lightening” for as long as it lasts.
I think Mitre is gone. He’s really only good for a few innings at a pop in a long man role. With Colon/Garcia now the long man, they could theoretically jump into the starting rotation if something happens. And then we have Millwood, Prior, etc to fill out the long man role.
I know Girardi loves Mitre, but he’s not essential to this teams plans.
# heyman_sux March 25th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Nova more likely. Colon to be let go
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That doesn’t even make sense.
They are now going to let the guy go who has undoubtedly pitched the best of anyone of the vets vying for a rotation spot in favor of a guy who hasn’t thrown a pitch all spring and probably won’t even be ready until the end of April?
Somehow, I don’t see this scenario playing out that way.
I would DL Mitre, he is the definition of a mop up man.
They might trade him for a low level prospect.
Olney just said that Utley’s is feilding groundballs on a stool?
Russo does not have a popular show… he gets very few listeners now that he’s on SIrius XM
WCYF
Girardi choosing not to talk to Russo is the ultimate freedom of speech and you always seem to be such a big fan of that.
Aye, Cap’n. I think we need a bigger boat.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rdOR.....4556_n.jpg
“Olney just said that Utley’s is feilding groundballs on a stool?”
That’s gotta impact his range.
If the Phils don’t get Utley back 100% by June then they aren’t winnin the east.
Is it a coincidence that “lights out Lidge” = LOL?
Mell-
I never figured a guy like Utley for sittin’ down on the job.
Oh well.
Mell March 25th, 2011 at 10:45 am
“Olney just said that Utley’s is feilding groundballs on a stool?”
That’s gotta impact his range.
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Damn he’d probably get more infield practice playing MLB the Show on the PS3
Tom in N.J. March 25th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Olney just said that Utley?s is feilding groundballs on a stool?
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that sounds like it’d be really hard to do. lol
Blake:
I thought the Braves were going to give ‘em fits from the get go, but now I think they’re the favorites in the NL East.
Yuchh, millwood still in MLB after horrible 2010
Is testimony how hard it is to pitch in MLB ..
So the guess is do they keep chief or chubs..
I’m betting they keep chief…
I have XM and the whole Mad Dog channel is for the most part unlistenable….its just gimmicky and annoying IMO. Im sure some like it but its not for me.
Mell,
I agree 100%. Utley is the Phils best player and its not all that close.
That doesn?t even make sense.
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And I’m glad you have an opinion. Let’s not get too high on Colon though, it’s not like he’s pitched sooo well. Garcia is the one who actually pitched in the majors last year (and won 12 games).
Milwood, even if hes only ready by end of April, is just an experienced insurance policy. Mitre was never really in the competition for the rotation anyway. And if you’re rooting for him to be cut in favor of Garcia/Colon to the pen, THAT is what wouldnt make sense…
Mitre is the odd man out. Peddle him and Romulo Sanchez for “something suitable”. Millwood needs to build up arm strength and get innings at AAA before being considered as insurance in the event either Colon or Garcia go sour.
Meantime, it bides time for further development of Brackman, Noesi, Warren, and Phelps.
Maddog sold out and took his best deal “off the air” on sirius.
Blake,
Agreed, mad dog radio is unlistenable..
Amazing what people get paid for doing nothing..
Cash is just stocking arms so he doesn’t have to after the Moseleys of the world at trade deadline.
This is a good no risk no reward signing.
Patrick – I totally am with you on free speech. There is a difference between having a right to speak to Russo or not – and having an opinion on whether or not it’s the right thing to do. That’s what I said. Poor decision IMO. Doesn’t reflect well on Girardi or the Yankees. Perception is reality. No matter what the truth is, it reinforces that perception of Yankee arrogance to baseball fans across the country.
What’s this Im hearing about phil hughes and his velocity around 87-89. Can someone confirm this?
Why should Girardi lower himself to talk to Russo on a show nobody listens to?
I didn’t say anything about free speech, that was pat.
This is a good no risk no reward signing.
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“This is a good no risk no reward signing.”
I got nothing.
incentive based….nothing guaranteed?
If Hughes velocity is still down 2-3 weeks from now then you may have concern…..but not now. Not unusual for guys to still be building arm strength or going through a little dead arm at this time of year. Something to monitor but not be overly concerned with at this point IMO.
tix aRE below face on stubhub, i see attendance down this year
# heyman_sux March 25th, 2011 at 10:50 am
That doesn?t even make sense.
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And I’m glad you have an opinion. Let’s not get too high on Colon though, it’s not like he’s pitched sooo well. Garcia is the one who actually pitched in the majors last year (and won 12 games).
Milwood, even if hes only ready by end of April, is just an experienced insurance policy. Mitre was never really in the competition for the rotation anyway. And if you’re rooting for him to be cut in favor of Garcia/Colon to the pen, THAT is what wouldnt make sense…
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Didn’t say I was high on Colon. But he has a much more recent body of work that can be evaluated by the coaching staff.
And yes, Colon actually did pitch very well this spring. It’s not just about the numbers. It’s about his stuff and and command that he took to the mound every time out.
Will that last? Nobody knows. But it’s hard to argue that he doesn’t deserve a spot and can’t help this team right now – however long it lasts.
I have no use for Mitre, so I’m not sure what that has to do with anything.
With that great collection of quality pitching, how can this be?
“Red Sox Seek Rotation Depth
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [March 25 at 8:29am CST]
The Red Sox have five proven starters and a handful of viable alternatives, but that’s not stopping GM Theo Epstein from looking for more possibilities for the rotation, according to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. The Red Sox are looking for starting pitching depth and would love to add a veteran who’s open to pitching at Triple-A until he’s needed.
“We’ve learned that we can never have enough starting pitching, but we like the depth provided by [Tim] Wakefield, [Alfredo] Aceves, and [Felix] Doubront,” Epstein said.
Wakefield, Aceves and Doubront are the team’s primary alternatives to the starting five of Jon Lester, Clay Buchholz, John Lackey, Josh Beckett and Daisuke Matsuzaka. It also appears that the Red Sox will start Andrew Miller at Triple-A and stretch him out as a starter in the minors.
Though some starting pitching is available, none of it appears to be a logical fit for the Red Sox. The $16MM remaining on Joe Blanton’s contract makes him an unattractive option; it seems doubtful that the Red Sox would meet the Twins’ asking price for Kevin Slowey only to stash him in the minors and the Red Sox don’t appear to have much interest in Jeremy Bonderman.
I listed a number of potentially available starters earlier in the week.”
Since when does the Red Sox have five proven starters?
That’s news to me.
Blake,
I saw that on twitter, just checking.
Mitre is a goner.
RAB tweeting that Meat Tray dealt to Brewers
Probably got Prince Fielder to DH.
I really see no harm at all in starting Nova in Triple A and seeing what Garcia and Colon give you. If one of them blow up, fine call nova up as early as you want… the other side of that coin is you catch lightning in a bottle for a month or so and Garcia and Colon give you productive innings in April and you take it start by start.
Otherwise you lose one of those guys for nothing…
Girardi not talking with Mad Dog is not a reflection on the Yankees, and is not a display of arrogance, it simply says, Mad Dog, I don’t like you or your show, so I choose not to talk with you.
When that moron was on YES, he was always talking about how much he loved his Giants, and his distain for the Yankees, now he can rant all he wants, but, without getting the likes of Girardi and others on his show, hurts him, not the other way around.
Good luck Sergio. No surprise there. Wonder if his embrace with Girardi was tearful?
Ledger_Yankees RT @jcrasnick: #Yankees have traded P Sergio Mitre to #Brewers, source says. #espnst. // And the midwest braces for The Experience.
Mitre to the Brewers makes sense. I can’t imagine they got much since the option was to release him and have the Brewers try to get him then.
RAB tweeting that Meat Tray dealt to Brewer
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Take the unders Pat!
Just kidding. I’m happy for Meat Tray. I hope he gets a real chance to start.
Al – every other manager in baseball spoke to him. (that he visited)
Wonder who we got in return. Probably not much.
So, does this cement 4. Nova, 5. Colon, Longman Garcia?
I’d say Millwood’s signing means Nova’s definitely going north as Millwood would lessen the blow of losing one of Mitre/Colon/Garcia.
I think Garcia’s definitely more valuable than Millwood so I doubt it’s him.
Colon vs Mitre. There’s the real risk/reward vs. safe/sound IMO.
Braun in return would be too much to expect I suppose.
“I really see no harm at all in starting Nova in Triple A ”
The harm is that Nova will probably have to make an adjustment to MLB sooner or later so why not do it sooner before the pennant race heats up. Plus, he has the most upside, and going with what might be inferior pitchers might mean losing more games.
“Otherwise you lose one of those guys for nothing…”
Garcia has said he’d stay in long relief.
disregard my previous post.
At least I was on the right track.
I am sure that Millwood starts in AAA and Garcia and Colon go north.
“Al – every other manager in baseball spoke to him.”
Doesn’t matter. What does matter is either he or someone representing him said he’d do it and then backed out the day of the interview. That’s just classless.
Agree Mell. Girradi also did the same interview with Russo in spring training the last two years.
Mitre will be a good #5 or long man in the NL central.
Now the only real decision is who vets what role between Colon and Garcia.
Someone is seriously dissing Girardi for not talking to Russo? RUFKM.
The experience Nova gains in April could pay off in the 2nd half. He’s for sure one of the 5 best starters so you put him in the rotation and see how he does…..could have a bipayoff
“Someone is seriously dissing Girardi for not talking to Russo?”
If he said he would and then backed out the day of, then yeah. He deserves to be.
There’s nobody on the airwaves more classless or a bigger jerk that Russo. So what if his feelings are bruised? Screw him.
WCYF -
That in and of itself does not obligate Girardi to speak with Mad Dog, if he feels strongly about not wanting to do his show. I think it says more about Joe having the guts to say no to Mad Dog, and the other managers feeling they had to do it.
My hats off to Joe, and others that are sick of Mad Dogs insane rants, and rather pass on doing his show.
For the life of me, I don’t know how anyone can sit and listen to that jerk for more than 2 minutes, without turning the radio off.
Good for Mitre. He’ll get a chance to pitch.
Looks like Colon and Garcia will be going north.
“If he said he would and then backed out the day of, then yeah. He deserves to be.”
So people aren’t allowed to change their minds?
AndrewMarchand Pure speculation: Looking at their roster, Brewers do have three catchers with major league experience. Again, pure speculation.
That’s the problem when some Yankee fans see “everything” through a homer perspective and won’t look at issues with some impartiality. As a Yankee fan I don’t like it when Girardi and his agent perpetuate the falsehood of Yankee arrogance and that is exactly what the Russo incident did.
GB7 -
The best thing Russo did was quit YES, he was always like one of those slobbering dogs that drooled all over people.
There were days you thought, he must be off his meds.
Ledger_Yankees Yankees probably won’t get very much for Mitre, but it’s still better than getting nothing by releasing him, which seemed possible anyway.
Al – this was NOT about Girardi not liking Mad Dog. THis was about Girardi wanting to be paid and/or his agents contract negotiations with Sirius.
“So people aren’t allowed to change their minds?”
Sure they are. There’s a right of doing it. Yankees and Girardi didn’t employ it.
Arrogance? Girardi can talk to whoever he wants. I wouldn’t want to talk to that loud mouth routinely either.
“That’s the problem when some Yankee fans see “everything” through a homer perspective and won’t look at issues with some impartiality. As a Yankee fan I don’t like it when Girardi and his agent perpetuate the falsehood of Yankee arrogance and that is exactly what the Russo incident did.”
No, some of us just think Russo is a jerk and even if he wasn’t. I think people have a right to change their minds.
“Sure they are. There’s a right of doing it. Yankees and Girardi didn’t employ it.”
What’s the right way?
pat, at least one of those catchers is an ex-Yankee, Mike Rivera.
But it was not about him not liking Russo. Why is that being ignored?
Ledger_Yankees So long as scouts love that sinker, somebody will be willing to give Sergio Mitre a shot. Seems like a bonus that the Yankees get a return.
Ledger_Yankees Meanwhile, Bartolo Colon AND Freddy Garcia appear to have made the big league club. If you had that exacta, congrats. #NYY
“But it was not about him not liking Russo. Why is that being ignored?”
I said, I would feel the same way even if it was a respectable person.
“pat, at least one of those catchers is an ex-Yankee, Mike Rivera”
Another is Wil Nieves
Montero’s catching stock sure has declined in the past couple of weeks. Now, I would be very surprised to see him go north. It’s either Molina(and not a good one) or some pick up until Cervelli is ready. Disappointing.
It seems clear Colon will start and Garcia will be the long man for now. Either can be replaced if the need arises from the the minors.
Who’s going to the pen ?
Colon or Garcia ?
Interesting call.
Who is better suited ?
Dealing Mitre is a smart move both for the Yankees and Mitre’s career. Like Cliff Lee he won’t have to face a DH and it opens up a 40-man spot.
Look for Cashman to do the same with Romulo Sanchez.
Mell is right. I arrange things for clients; if someone committed to do something and then at the last minute backed out and I had promoted the appearance I would be justifiably angry as well. If they didn’t want to do it, they could have told me privately why “in advance”.
Rich:
Rather than let the guy ass kick 5 hours to whatever spring training outpost this interview was supposed to take place, give the guy the courtesy of a phone call the night before saying he can’t do it.
If Montero’s catching stock has fallen over a microscopic sample, I’m not sure why Martin’s hasn’t as well.
Girardi is exercising his right to be paid for his time.
Actually, two of the Brewer catchers are ex-Yankees. The other is Wil Nieves. Not likely to get George Kottraras for Mitre or Sanchez or even both of them.
Mell
Have we heard Girardi’s side yet?
WCYF -
It appears all too often, you are always on the other side of issues when it comes to Yankees fans, and acting so superior in your views. It appears you are the one that thinks the Yankees are arrogant, and need to be brought into the fold so to speak.
The Yankees are a great organization, that has always stand for excellence, and taken the high rode, and have not shown arrogance towards other teams.
The fans at times might feel a bit of arrogance, because they feel so strongly about their team, but, so what, learn to live with it.
Austin-
I don’t agree. I think Montero should still go North.
He’s shown more than enough IMO.
Training wheels should come off.
He’s only gonna be the BU.
My 2 cents.
MTU,
Colon has pitched better and Garcia will go to the pen without griping. It seems a clear cut call to me. But, for some unknown reason they don’t seem to listen to me. Very odd.
montero start in triple a gets his bat where it needs to be, then call him up
If Montero’s catching stock has fallen over a microscopic sample, I’m not sure why Martin’s hasn’t as well.
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I think it has more to do with defense than anything..
It’s not like Girardi backed out because Russo doesn’t kiss the Yankee derriere. It was over money.
I don’t pay for radio so I don’t really care but I do think $$$ get’s in the way of a fan’s enjoyment way too often. The TV situation is ridiculous.
Funny stuff, Girardi wanted to get paid but Cashman, Rothschild and Cano were on with Mad Dog that same day. I guess those three got PAID more than Girardi.
I thought his ST interviews in AZ and FL were pretty informative. As was his stint on radio row the week leading up to the Super Bowl.
Austin-
All other things equal I think that’s the way I’d go.
Ride Bartolo until he drops and then replace him with either Freddy or Millwood.
I still think we might make a trade at the deadline.
Maybe Liriano if things fall right.
WCYF -
Russo gets paid big money to do his show, why should Joe, or anyone else not get paid, if that’s what he wants.
When stars go on talk shows, they get paid, why should this be different?
There’s usually 3 sides to every story and the only one you’ve heard is Russo’s so you might want to hold off hiring the hit on Girardi for being unclassy.
Al – yes I try to think independently and am opinionated. Being a passionate Yankee fan and being somewhat objective are not mutually exclusive. The arrogance thing is mostly a myth that I don’t like being perpetuated. Girardi and his agent were wrong. I guess I could be a phony and not opine. That’s not me.
Ledger_Yankees RT @mlbtraderumors: Brewers announce that they have acquired Sergio Mitre from the Yankees for Chris Dic*erson
i think this means that cashman has a trade in the works. it might just be one or two of our pitchers leaving
i was just typing this when i heard they traded mitre!
So, Mitre has just been dealt. Milwaukee will be a good fit, I think. It’s the NL, and gives the Brewers some depth, what with the injuries to Greinke and Marcum, temporary that they are described as. Wonder what the return is, maybe GB is right about Mike Rivera.
Because Al, no other manager in baseball gets paid for quick interviews in spring training. And you certainly don’t do interviews the past two years not asking for money – and then blindside the interviewer with no advance notice. You would think he would relish the opportunity to promote baseball and his team.
who?
Erin, What position does he play?
Mell is right. I arrange things for clients; if someone committed to do something and then at the last minute backed out and I had promoted the appearance I would be justifiably angry as well. If they didn’t want to do it, they could have told me privately why “in advance”.
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Girardi’s agent was not the one who was dealing with Russo.
“Russo said that Bombers PR boss Jason Zillo had told his producer, Bill Zimmerman, over the weekend that Girardi would appear for an interview on Monday’s show”
Well, that’s not exactly the case. According to a Yankees official, Mandell was actually in the middle of negotiating a deal for Girardi to appear on SXM’s MLB Channel during the upcoming season. “He (Mandell) said he would rather complete the deal before Joe goes on any Sirius/XM show,” the Yankees source said, adding Girardi was “just one name on a list of Yankees” Russo’s producer had requested.
“There were no guarantees made (about who would go on the show),” the Yankees source explained.
I never thought Montero should come North…and I still hope he doesn’t. Let him catch every day in AAA and then he can get called up once he gets hot with the bat.
WC(YF) finds endless ways to skew ambiguous facts in the light most unfavorable to the Yankees.
Got to go, you all have a great day.
WCYF – Perhaps one of the YES guys will ask Joe to explain his reasons for skipping the Russo show, then we can all get the truth, and not just hear the conjecture.
Erin, that’s not a bad deal for Mitre. The Yanks get an outfielder with great speed, can hit, has a bit of power and plays all three outfield spots.
LGY those are excuses. Girardi makes the decision not his agent. Talking about baseball in spring training for 3 minutes also has nothing to do with negotiating a contract for a show later on.
Agree Al. Not that big a deal but it was news.
Fran-he’s an outfielder
CC-
I guess that’s what makes the world go round.
I think he should. I don’t think he much left to learn at AAA.
He’ll learn more around guys like Pena, Posada and Girardi.
Though his D was inconsistent I don’t think it was all that bad.
The bat will come around just fine.
If he can’t handle it Cervelli will be back in a couple of months.
That’s my take.
No Rich. I am objective.
‘I think it says more about Joe having the guts to say no to Mad Dog, and the other managers feeling they had to do it’.
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That is not what occured, it was cleared in advance through WFAN and Jason Zillo of the Yankees ( Just like Cashman, Rothschild and Cano ) and then the agent backed out for the lack of monetary compensation. Girardi never said squat, he hid behind his mouthpiece who probably wasn’t even in FL on Monday.
YankeesWFAN Long chat with Mitre this wk. Feels stronger extra yr removed from TJ surgery. Scouts have noticed.
i definitely want montero to go to scranton and catch and get hot hitting so when they bring him up, he will be at full speed.
From what it seems of Di**erson, sounds like a Golson-type. With the uncertainty about Granderson, and Golson and Curtis being banged up, guess it makes sense. Guess they also don’t care for what they’ve seen of Maxwell.
LGY -
Thanks for clearing that up. It makes a great deal of sense, if that’s what happed. Too many people just like to stir the pot to make the Yankees look bad. I suspect Russo was doing just that for his own advantage for his show.
Now I really out of here.
Y’s-
I see your POV.
Mine is that the bat is ready, and he would profit more by facing ML pitching from the get go.
The last thing I worry about is the bat.
ST means nothing.
“No Rich. I am objective.”
You’re not fooling me.
If the Yankees don’t take Montero then they probably should have never publically made it an option. All it will do now is give the media fuel to write “Montero lost the job” articles and make a big deal out of nothing.
It’s classless of Russo to publically vilify Girardi.
He’s also telling future guests, ‘be on my show or get smeared.’
Adding this to my file:
Garcia gets the first starts.
Yankees keep Colon close to home, get to see what he has left in non-leverage situations (the long-man’s role unless a starter leaves a game early due to injury), and hopefully Colon is on board with an aggressive fitness program that Yanks can monitor.
“LGY those are excuses.”
So, what you are saying is that you are taking Russo’s word over the Yankee official?
“Girardi makes the decision not his agent.”
He is listened to the advice of his agent. Someone he pays to make these kind of decisions.
“Talking about baseball in spring training for 3 minutes also has nothing to do with negotiating a contract for a show later on.”
How do you know if you are not privy to the negotiations?
If he can?t handle it Cervelli will be back in a couple of months.
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Cerv shouldn’t have too much longer having to wear the boot-I believe he’s on week 3 already.
I don’t care what you think Rich.
Chris Di ckerson’s numbers
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/di ckech01.shtml
(you’ll need to close the space in his name between the letters IC in the link)
Erin-
Thanks. just reinforces my point all the more.
Mitre is gone!
Anytime MTU
Thanks Erin
Seems like a fair deal for both sides
Because LGY – if it did Joe’s agent would have (should have) spoken to Russo’s producer in advance.
As someone already said.
Next up Romulo Sanchez.
Vaya con dios amigo.
“I don’t care what you think Rich.”
I’m hurt.
You’re still a transparent troll.
Nothing new under the sun. $$$ talks, BS walks. not really worth getting worked up over.
Let’s talk Millwood. Man that guy sucked last season! I remember the Yanks offense slumping at times last year and thinking to myself ” They need to face Millwood! ”
Jeers-
Cheap insurance. Cake filler.
“Because LGY – if it did Joe’s agent would have (should have) spoken to Russo’s producer in advance.”
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So again what you are saying is that you are taking the word of Russo over the Yankee official?
Typical Rich – call someone a troll who dares to not drink the kool-aid on every issue. How weak.
Rich in NJ March 25th, 2011 at 11:14 am
“I really see no harm at all in starting Nova in Triple A ”
The harm is that Nova will probably have to make an adjustment to MLB sooner or later so why not do it sooner before the pennant race heats up. Plus, he has the most upside, and going with what might be inferior pitchers might mean losing more games.
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Here we go with the prevent defense philosophy again.
Your gripe is the same I’d have with leaving Montero in Scranton-Wilkesbarre. If Nova & Montero are both left behind, I don’t hold out much hope that the yanks will have much patience with any of their young blue chippers going forward. Nova has done nothing but impress & demonstrate his time is now.
People will say you can’t have enough insurance, but it just seems like the Yankees will ALWAYS go to that “experienced” player they’ve got over the younger guy, buying the latter “a little more time” and bringing in the “known” quantity, even if the younger, less experienced player offers a much higher reward. They cannot seem to tolerate the valleys that are part of not just development, but the ebbs & flows that mark virtually ALL player performance.
Then, if they “get buy”going down the “safer” road, the ambition of having that mix of high upside youth alongside older veterans grows dimmer & dimmer, & by the time those guys are summoned, they’re less likely to help because their adjustment curve is getting started too late.
Interesting that the Brewers had only 5 OF’s on their 40 man roster. Seem to be putting a lot of faith in Brandon Boggs with this move.
Anyone want to try to attempt to explain why this Girardi/Russo thing has any relevance?
so what did we get for the experience? an outfielder?
C’mon guys. Bury the hatchet.
Let one guy pick where and let the other do the buryin’
Seems fair, huh ?
LGY – I am saying that from everything I have heard it wasn’t handled properly. I look forward to hearing Joe’s perspective if he comments on it.
“He’s also telling future guests, ‘be on my show or get smeared.’”
I’d prefer that to the old message of “come on my show and I’ll yell at you and cackle.”
“LGY – I am saying that from everything I have heard it wasn’t handled properly.”
Except for the part from the Yankee official saying there were no guarantees who would go on the show.
“I look forward to hearing Joe’s perspective if he comments on it.”
Then why are you jumping to conclusions before hearing his perspective?
Girardi made a commitment through Zillo the Yankees PR guy, then backed out. He could have walked upstairs at the stadium and told Russo himself if his agent wasn’t there. It’s all about the money.
Honor the commitments you make Joe. Maybe he had to rearrange one of his binders which everyone knows is most important.
“West Coast Yankee Fan March 25th, 2011 at 11:57 am
Typical Rich – call someone a troll who dares to not drink the kool-aid on every issue. How weak.”
Wait. You take Russo’s word as gospel, despite a rebuttal from the Yankees, yet you’re objective.
OK, maybe you’re not a troll. You’re just a self-hating Yankee fan.
Cashman is probably in a get the roster ready mode.
This trade thins out the excess in lower tier ML pitchers and adds to an area that the Yanks are thin….emergency outfield help.
Because Joe. I do not believe Russo and his producer are making this up out of whole cloth, there are some facts that are not disputable. If he wasn’t going to do the interviews, you let someone knpw in advance. What I said is it was handled poorly.
Back to baseball.
Thanks for the clarification Rich. Big hug.
Prufrock
Spot on. I’m not sure if Cash is being overruled or he’s merely making decisions in accordance with a misguided win-now mandate, but either way, as you point out, it’s a counterproductive and often self-defeating way to run a team if winning as many WS as possible is truly your goal.
GB-
I know we couldn’t expect much back for Mitre but do you think this guy really helps ?
Not much of a track record.
This idiot is going to spend the next 5 hours whining about the unfairness of “The Pinstriped Meany” to “Mr. Warmth”.
MTU March 25th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Jeers-
Cheap insurance. Cake filler.
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I know. But it’s like buying sandbags and thinking you’ve got flood insurance.
I think Cashman did well getting as much as he did from the Brewers. He has performed decently in the past.
I’d rather have Dic erson out there than Golson.
Not a bad get for the Yanks if they were truly going to let Mitre go anyway.
“Your gripe is the same I’d have with leaving Montero in Scranton-Wilkesbarre. If Nova & Montero are both left behind, I don’t hold out much hope that the yanks will have much patience with any of their young blue chippers going forward.”
in my opinion, you have the Montero thing backwards.
I don’t think NOT bringing Montero north is a sign of a lack of patience or faith, I think it’s a protective position. I think it demonstrates how much they want him to succeed.
They know the kid of going to struggle initially, but I believe they’d like him to taste some success and at least have that working in his favor before making the leap.
What’s going unsaid is the fact that the kid is 21 and there are signs that perhaps he’s not the most mature kid around. He got pulled from a game for not running our a grounder last year. I’ve heard rumblings of some arrogance from him last year during his hot streak, and lately a theory has advanced that his struggles defensively are exasperated when he struggles at the plate.
I’m not finding hm guilty. I’m saying the kid is 21 and perhaps he has some natural maturing to do.
Again, I think the Yankees fully expect a 21 year old catcher to have his share of adjustment to do at the ML level, but also again I think they want to build his confidence and have it at a high level before they throw him out there.
It’s not about ‘What’s best for baseball’ it’s about Russo and his brand. He’s using this as a way to get free P.R. for him and his lousy show. Girardi doesn’t owe him an explanation, Russo wasn’t guaranteed anything.
Jeers-
LGY said it best. “A no-risk, no-reward signing.”
“Wait. You take Russo’s word as gospel, despite a rebuttal from the Yankees, yet you’re objective.”
No fan of Russo, but when I have to decide who’s word to take as gospel and the contenders are Russo or the Yankees PR staff, I’m flipping a coin.
“No fan of Russo, but when I have to decide who’s word to take as gospel and the contenders are Russo or the Yankees PR staff, I’m flipping a coin.”
In the months leading up to his (welcome) departure from WFAN, Russo repeatedly lied about his plans to leave the station. Just sayin’.
Dicerson has an option year left correct? Otherwise why would we make this move.
I am answering LGY’s questions GB7, it’s polite to do so.
MTU, Chris Di ckerson’s defensive skills are at least close to Golson, has that kind of speed and at this point, a superior hitter. If Golson still isn’t healthy or Jones fails, he’s certainly a good option.
Stuckey-
Wasn’t that in evidence for about 2/3′s of last season at AAA ?
Didn’t Montero hit well over .300 during that extended period ?
He’s not some “China doll” is he ?
Thanks GB.
Apparently you know more than his #’s show.
That’s why I asked, and why you’re the LoHud scouting Director.
Can’t ask Randy, right ?
West Coast Yankee Fan March 25th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
I am answering LGY’s questions GB7, it’s polite to do so.
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OK, so you’re a polite idiot.
Just using Freedom of Speech and my opinion.
Can you imagine the conversation here if the Yanks do this to start the season:
Backup Catcher: Molina
AAA: Montero
AA: Romine
Then they wait to see when Cervelli is healthy, how Molina and Montero are doing and then make a switch of who the BU catcher will be.
MTU, he had a good run in his first short turn with Cinncy. His problem was staying healthy over the last couple of seasons.
MTU,
Indeed, but he started very, very slowly. Can’t ignore that.
He’s also struggled somewhat this spring on both sides of the ball, which I think carries somewhat more weight given he’s a 21 year old kid obviously trying to make the big league team and not just prepare for the season.
There is just no compelling reason to sink-or-swin the kid, ESPECIALLY a kid that will only get to play one or so a week. He takes an early 0-4, 1-8, and he’s carrying that around for days at a time. Not like 4 more AB’s are coming tomorrow.
It’s March, the Yankees have starting catcher and more than enough bats, an a capable back-up catcher likely a few weeks away.
Just not seeing the imperative. Let me come up when he’s mashing the ball and feeling good about himself, which if he is what we all think he is, will be inevitable.
MTU, Randy handles the scouting of Twins pitchers for the LoHud scouting department
GB-
Thanks. Appreciate the feedback.
Just what genius is Knocking Montero based on a small amount of ab`s in st. either he sticks or returns to AAA for a month and returns to provide some offense behind the plate.
I can count on one hand how many times I listened to either Francesa or Russo. Their gibberish is easily detected. Their game is cutting people off the air when challenged with solid information.
New Post: Mitre traded to Milwaukee
Good luck to Mitre. I’m glad he wasn’t kicked to the curb. What will Greinke think of his new mate?
We don’t know the whole story re: Girardi.
Dies he look bad for holding out/reneging/whatever happened? Of course.
But Russo looks worse, though this is not surprising considering his reputation.
I don’t think this is really about compensation. But I think someone is trying really hard to make like it is. Russo looks like a whining spoiled brat.
A classy host would have said there was a huge mixup. And tried to rectify the situation. But it’s all about stirring up the pot with shock jocks, right?
Stuckey-
That is probably the route the Yanks will go.
I just think the bat is ready, and his confidence would be better aiding by getting the nod to go North.
That’s why they pay the Yanks the big bucks and I am just a fan who knows very little compared with them.
# 108 stitches March 25th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
I can count on one hand how many times I listened to either Francesa or Russo. Their gibberish is easily detected. Their game is cutting people off the air when challenged with solid information.
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You got that right about cutting people off, very rude.
“It’s best to say goodbye to him now and embrace Nova, Colon & Garcia…..They don’t possess the Hollywood looks that Mitre does but looks aren’t everything right ???”
Pat M – it has little to do with looks, all to do with reality. And my point was that there were posters who decided the guy was terrible last year, despite what the FACTS bore out. Thanks for that information Chad.
That said, I am not one prone to weeping and gnashing of teeth once a decision is made by the organization.
Who stays, stays, who goes goes and I wish them all well.
I guess that leads very nicely into my little song.
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Every Team Now I love You (Chorus)
Every team now I love you
Every team now I do
Though my heart’s with the Yankees
I always wish the best for you
(‘Cept the Sux. Never the Sux)
When you do well I’m happy
You can believe that it’s true
(Oh yes indeed. Oh yes indeed.)
Every team now I love you
Every team now I do-oo-oo.
‘A classy host would have said there was a huge mixup. And tried to rectify the situation’.
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A very good thought there.