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Montero and Pena officially sent to Triple-A

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 28, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

These moves were made official just minutes ago.

Justin Maxwell and Ramiro Pena optioned to Triple-A.

Jesus Montero and Doug Bernier assigned to Triple-A.

Austin Romine assigned to Double-A.

Ronnie Belliard released.

Romulo Sanchez’s contract sold to a team in Japan.

Eric Chavez added to the 40-man.

Mark Prior will stay in Tampa for the time being, I guess in extended spring, though that’s not clear.

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160 Responses to “Montero and Pena officially sent to Triple-A”

  1. Asd March 28th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Poor Ronnie. Also Prior move interests me.

  2. Erica in NY March 28th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    How is Fran going to bat Pena 4th in GTLU if he is optioned?

  3. BTX March 28th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    BloggingBombers Yankees are in the process of selling the rights to Romulo Sanchez to a team in Japan.

  4. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Terrible news. A dark day for the Yankee Franchise. The Gods, witnessing such folly, have torn great rents in the sky such that their tears could fall to earth and wash away the unbelievers.

  5. Eroc March 28th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    benshpigel
    #yankees keep molina as backup c, nunez and chavez as backup infielders.

  6. West Coast Yankee Fan March 28th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    From last thread – GF I didn’t say or mean rookie season – I meant on average going forward.

  7. Yanks78 March 28th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    No problem with Molina making the team… guy can call a good game, play good D and throw out runners, and might even hit a little bit. He’s a vet, so he is used to not playing everyday and won’t be phased by pressure

  8. Wave Your Hat March 28th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    “until FC comes back back…they will not push Martin this early”

    On that disquieting note I have to go.

  9. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    No problem with Molina making the team… guy can call a good game, play good D and throw out runners, and might even hit a little bit.

    You realize this isn’t Bengie Molina? What in his glorious history suggests he can do even half of that?

  10. West Coast Yankee Fan March 28th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    I’m glad Nunez got the job. I feel so much better about the bench with Chavez and Nunez.

  11. Asd March 28th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    >
    eboland11 Erik Boland
    Romine: “I’m confident you guys will see me again.”

    I’m confident as well, at least after seeing him play on Saturday. He’s got game.

  12. MG March 28th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    What no BUDDY CARLYLE on the team!

    Another Cashman blunder.

    More than time for a change…

  13. Guru Man March 28th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    the discussion about Montero hitting .270 with 20 homers is silly; is that in 50 AB’s or 500 AB’s? What is his OPS?

  14. joeman March 28th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    don’t think you’ll see Martin catch back/back games often early on

  15. Fran the original March 28th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Erica,

    You’re right. My whole GTLU strategy down the drain. And I have a title to defend.

    Looks like may be Nunez 4 :)

  16. Giuseppe Franco March 28th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan March 28th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    From last thread – GF I didn’t say or mean rookie season – I meant on average going forward.

    ———-

    .270 avg, 20 HR, and mediocre defense is very close to what Posada has done in his career and he’s posted borderline Hall of Fame numbers (although, I don’t see him ever getting in).

    Yankee fans would be stupid not to take that.

  17. blake March 28th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    I predict Montero’s arrival will come as a thief in the night

  18. Guru Man March 28th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Yanks78 March 28th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
    No problem with Molina making the team? guy can call a good game, play good D and throw out runners, and might even hit a little bit. He?s a vet, so he is used to not playing everyday and won?t be phased by pressure

    ______

    the guy is terrible and not even the 5th best choice; he is just the one they don;t care about and will cut as soon as Cervelli is healthy or they bring up Montero

  19. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    If Gustavo Molina had true game calling magic powers, the ability to hit alittle, and great D he would have gotten more shots in the majors than he has, where guys like Wil Nieves play more than he does.

  20. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    don’t think you’ll see Martin catch back/back games often early on

    Uh, then who is catching them? They aren’t playing Molina 15 times in April. That’d be suicide.

  21. West Coast Yankee Fan March 28th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Full season Guru on average – general comment. I just believe the expectations for Montero are sky high.

  22. jacksquat March 28th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan March 28th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
    No Yankee fan is going to be happy if Montero hits .270 with 20 home runs and is below average defensively – the expectations are far greater than that.

    If he did just that, he’d likely be more valuable than Cervelli and probably even Martin.

    That’s the point. It’s not about rushing or needing, some people believe that there’s a good chance he’d be more valuable than Cervelli, and maybe Martin, and if he made the team now and got enough playing time to not inhibit his development, that’s the better move than putting him in the minors.

  23. West Coast Yankee Fan March 28th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Jerkface – don’t you think Girardi and Pena know a little about catchers?

  24. BTX March 28th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Molina is a .211 career minor league hitter in 5 AAA seasons. He has 5 career major league hits with 3 different teams. And if his D was that good, he would have latched on somewhere else.

    He is a sacrificial goat.

  25. LGY March 28th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    “LGY,

    If he played 4 games and got 4 at bats per game, he’s missing 16 at-bats at the ML Level.”

    ——————

    Doreen,

    I will try to sum up my feelings on this issue to be clear and not continuously comment on it anymore (because as Nick pointed out I kind of sound like an irrational crazy person on this :) )

    I am not one of those Yankee fans that is worried or that Gustavo Molina will really have any affect on the season. I really don’t think it is a big deal at all if Molina plays a few games.

    I have always thought, the best plan of action for Montero’s development and for him to be able to take over as the full time catcher in 2012, is to have him catch about 2 games a week and DH once a week (with the idea that injury and/or ineffectiveness could make these numbers higher).

    I think it is best for Montero to have him catch about 60 games like Posada did in 1997.

    The issue about Montero not playing enough in April is a matter of CHOICE. Girardi is not forced to play Montero only four games.

    If Girardi committed to the “Posada Plan” + potentially more due to injury or ineffectiveness, I think the amount of playing time Montero would get is good for his development and prepares him very well for 2012.

    And yes, while it doesn’t sound like I understand the other side of this argument, I do. I think starting him in AAA is a very reasonable decision and can be good for Montero’s development as well.

  26. tyanksfan36 March 28th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Poor Pena :( I liked him.

  27. joeman March 28th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    # Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    don’t think you’ll see Martin catch back/back games often early on

    Uh, then who is catching them? They aren’t playing Molina 15 times in April. That’d be suicide.
    ——————————————-
    let it play out you or I might be surprised

  28. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Posada has 7 years with .270/20 and 7 years under .270/under 20 (1 season is 20)

    If Montero averages .270/20 he is going to be like Posada, and probably put up 2 or 3 MVP years. Great for him.

  29. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Jerkface – don’t you think Girardi and Pena know a little about catchers?

    What does this have to do with anything?

  30. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    I’m more surprised by the outright sale of Sanchez to a Japanese league than anything else. He was better than getting a non-descript minor leaguer in return, so, perhaps this was a deal to give Sanchez a chance at making a little more money with a shot at one of the players from that team in the future. Looks a little like the Todd Lzinden deal last year.

  31. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    ***Linden***

  32. Guru Man March 28th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    OK, but I like to know what the OPS is as a guy could never walk and hit 20 homers as his only xtra base hits and that would be a terrible season.

  33. tyanksfan36 March 28th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    I’m sure Molina knows he isn’t in it for the long haul. He is obviously a good enough catcher that they’re not worried about him catching less than once a week until Cervelli gets back.

  34. joeman March 28th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    # tyanksfan36 March 28th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    I’m sure Molina knows he isn’t in it for the long haul. He is obviously a good enough catcher that they’re not worried about him catching less than once a week until Cervelli gets back.
    —————————————-
    he will catch 2 maybe 3 times a week

  35. West Coast Yankee Fan March 28th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Your opinion not mine. I think the hype about Montero has been greater than that.

  36. MG March 28th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    You guys are being way too tough on Gustavo Molina…

    First of all, he has one RBI in the bigs, that’s one more than the number of runners he’s thrown out trying to steal (out of 7 attempts).

    Second of all, he’s within 2800 hits (give or take about 70) from Derek Jeter’s lifetime total

    Thirdly, he knows the Red Sox, having caught for them last year.

    Fourth, he has a great name for a catcher.

    And finally, he catches more pitches than he misses.

  37. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    he will catch 2 maybe 3 times a week

    There is no way the Yankees do that. That would be asinine.

  38. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    If they catch Molina 2 to 3 times a week there is no reason to keep Montero in AAA.

  39. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    They are going to ride Martin into the ground until Cervelli comes back then split it more 50/50

  40. LGY March 28th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Nunez and Chavez better find comfortable spots on the bench.

    They are going to be spending a lot of time there.

  41. joeman March 28th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    # Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    he will catch 2 maybe 3 times a week

    There is no way the Yankees do that. That would be asinine.
    ——————————————
    OK

  42. Tom in N.J. March 28th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Do you know many catchers last season hit 20 homers?

    2. Brian McCann and Victor Martinez

  43. Bronx Jeers March 28th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Romulo Sanchez’s contract sold to a team in Japan.

    ——————————————————————————

    Talk about moving inventory.

    I’m sure he’s thrilled.

  44. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 28th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    I think that was the right move for all of the reasons I outlined earlier. I also think this will be nothing but helpful to Montero. If the Yanks believed he had all of his tools in order, he’d be going up north right now. Getting burned in 2008 might have caused them to be more circumspect. Happy if that is the case.

    *******************
    First pass at your guesses. If I have gotten your guess down incorrectly, make sure to advise me before the first pitch of the regular season.

    http://members.cox.net/lsdorga.....0CHART.pdf

  45. West Coast Yankee Fan March 28th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Jerkface – don’t you think Girardi and Pena know a little about catchers?

    _

    What does this have to do with anything?

    ******************

    It has everything to do with why they are going north with Molina and not Montero or Romine. I think they discussed it a lot are very aware of what Molina can do or can’t do.

  46. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Sanchez will find the Japanese fan base to be very vocal in their support of him with songs and cheers, hope he can do well over there. He is going to be blowing away guys over there.

  47. MG March 28th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Martin averaged 150 games a year behind the plate until he was hurt last August. He is fully recovered from that injury, I find it hard to believe that Girardi will write Molina’s name on the lineup card unless Martin breaks a leg or tells him he’s too worn out to catch, both highly unlikely during the first month of the season.

  48. Giuseppe Franco March 28th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    # Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    he will catch 2 maybe 3 times a week

    There is no way the Yankees do that. That would be asinine.
    ———–

    Sadly, I think they might do that. Perhaps not 3 times a week, but I don’t think twice a week is out of the question unless they have a bunch of rainouts.

    Not sure Girardi is going to want to ride the Martin stallion into the ground in the April cold weather.

  49. Niblick March 28th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Yanks78 – Molina can’t hit; he’s never, ever, thrown out a major league runner. And he’s a “vet” of a grand total of 22 games.

    Get real. He’s useless; only the most rabid Cashman today would think otherwise.

  50. LGY March 28th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    If 45 PA’s qualifies you as a veteran with experience, the Yankees just have to get Montero through April, before he is a veteran!

    Problem solved!!

  51. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    It has everything to do with why they are going north with Molina and not Montero or Romine. I think they discussed it a lot are very aware of what Molina can do or can’t do.

    Given the play time comments by Girardi, they definitely aren’t going to be catching Molina very often precisely because they are aware of how bad he is. They can also only make choices with what players they have on hand. Their choices were: Romine, Montero, Molina because that is who is available. If they are not giving a lot of play time Molina might be the best choice in that scenario but not the BEST choice. Feel that?

    I doubt Girardi is happy to have Molina on the team.

  52. 108 stitches March 28th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    Would like to hear medical opinions for when Cervelli is ready to rehab and resume normal work.

  53. joeman March 28th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Molina will catch 3 of the first 8 games …depending on weather of course

  54. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 28th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    LGY – weren’t you fighting tooth and nail to have Montero brought north? I thought for sure you were one of the group pushing for it and being relatively unpleasant to anyone who disagreed.

    I may have mistaken you with someone else, and with the day I’ve had today it certainly is possible. But this seems like a total about face from you!

    If I have mistaken you with someone else I apologize.

  55. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Sadly, I think they might do that. Perhaps not 3 times a week, but I don’t think twice a week is out of the question unless they have a bunch of rainouts.

    If this was their plan all along then they should have brought Montero north. Or acquired a better option. I think they are banking on Martin’s durability behind the plate.

  56. MG March 28th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Do you really think the Yankees would have kept Molina if they weren’t really concerned about Montero’s ability, right now, to catch a major league pitching staff in games that count in the standings?

    Gustavo Molina may be the worst position player on the Yankees since the early 1900′s, there has to be a reason.

  57. Giuseppe Franco March 28th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    # Bronx Jeers March 28th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Romulo Sanchez’s contract sold to a team in Japan.

    ——————————————————————————

    Talk about moving inventory.

    I’m sure he’s thrilled.

    ———-

    I would think he’d have to approve something like that. I can’t imagine they’d just sell a player to Japan if he doesn’t want to go there.

  58. Yankee Trader March 28th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Any thoughts on where these players still on the 40 man roster will be playing next week??

    Steve Garrison
    Jose Ortegano
    Ryan Pope
    Reegie Corona
    Brandon Laird
    Colin Curtis
    Chris Dickerson
    Greg Golson
    Kevin Russo

  59. joeman March 28th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    # Giuseppe Franco March 28th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    # Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    he will catch 2 maybe 3 times a week

    There is no way the Yankees do that. That would be asinine.
    ———–

    Sadly, I think they might do that. Perhaps not 3 times a week, but I don’t think twice a week is out of the question unless they have a bunch of rainouts.

    Not sure Girardi is going to want to ride the Martin stallion into the ground in the April cold weather.
    ————————————————–
    sadly

  60. Ed H. March 28th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    As far as BUC is concerned, I think that the Yanks decided to prioritize the long term value of leaving Montero and Romine in the minors to further their development over the short term value of having a stronger bat than Molina in that slot.

    In terms of player development, in the best of all possible circumstances, you use the minors to establish their ML-ready skills on both offense and defense. You only promote them to the majors once they are ready to make the jump of transitioning into the next phase of working to maximize their potential on the ML level.

    Sometimes, in the event of having a substantial deficiency on the ML team, young players are brought up before they are fully ready for prime time, eg Cano and perhaps Gardner. In these situations, the judgment is that the short-term competitive needs of the team outweigh whatever cost there is to the ideal development of the young player.

    This spring, the conclusion was that neither Montero nor Romine were ready to transition into roles on the ML team. Montero still needs to work on his catching skills and Romine needs to progress with his hitting. Their need is to play every day in order to develop. Secondarily, it also makes little sense to put one of them on the 40-man roster before they are ready to stick on the ML team.

    The Yankees’ need in this situation is relatively minor in terms of the competitiveness of the team this season. By naming Molina, you weaken only the offensive side of the team’s performance on a very part time basis for a period of one sixth of the regular season. Minimizing the playing time of the BUC during this time, given off days on the schedule, you only will impact the offense in 3-4 games. An added benefit of going with Molina is that they can release him when Cervelli come back and not open up his space on the roster. They decided, because of this that, in this situation, long term player development trumps short term competitive values. That’s why we get Molina until Cervelli is ready to return.

    Posada was not a consideration for BUC because two separate evaluations last year showed significant damage to his brain from a series of concussions. It’s not an issue of his skill level. One shot to his mask would be sufficient to cause additional damage. The team is taking the responsible, caring rode of protecting their employee’s future health.

  61. LGY March 28th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    trisha,

    Please stop attempting to passively insult people if you are not going to keep up with the conversations.

    Yes. I have fought tooth and nail to have Montero brought north.

  62. BTX March 28th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Yanks only play 3 day game after night games in the month of April. Those are the only games Molina should catch. They get lucky with the schedule. Lots of day games early on too.

  63. RayVT March 28th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    blake March 28th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
    I predict Montero?s arrival will come as a thief in the night

    You are bad Blake! LOL!

  64. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Yanks just don’t have any decent to OK catchers in the system that can step in and help out, other than Molina. They’re either top prospects that aren’t quite ready or they aren’t much above average minor leaguers. Nothing in between. This would have been the perfect spot for PJ Pilittere if he were still in the system.

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 28th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    niblick, I don’t see your issue. One game out of every five is going to be caught by Molina. I’m thinking the Yankees are in essence sacrificing him as opposed to bringing up Montero et al prematurely.

    I definitely don’t have time to cull all of the posts but a goodly number of posters here were AGAINST bringing up Montero at this point. So it isn’t like you had an entire forum thinking it was a swell idea and now everyone is looking at each other confused.

    The Yankees know what they’re doing far better than you or anyone here. They have an entire plan. They have had it in operation and I’m sure all of the elements haven’t been shared with the fans – NOR DO THEY NEED TO BE!

    It’s over. Understand that maybe your thinking is off on this one. In any event, it’s done. Once a move is made it’s time for all good Yankee fans to get behind it.

    MO anyway.

  66. kd March 28th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    pena is going to be a nice piece in a trade. i bet the giants will want him when tejada shows he can’t play short.

    pena and romine for bumgardner? i know i spelled that wrong, but it might work

  67. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    Molina might be gone as soon aws Chad Moeller clears any waivers he has to clear. I hope he doesn’t sign any apartment leases.

  68. LGY March 28th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    “pena is going to be a nice piece in a trade.”

    ———————

    Nunez would be a nice piece in a trade if the Yankees were not going to ruin his trade value this season :(

  69. RayVT March 28th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Trisha!
    I was one who thought Montero was a lock to be with the Yankees on opening day! I was wrong! I can’t quite understand the Molina thingy, as the RSux need a catcher in the worst way & they released him.

  70. stuckey99 March 28th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    “Or acquired a better option.”

    I can’t imagine they haven’t tried.

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 28th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    “Please stop attempting to passively insult people if you are not going to keep up with the conversations.”

    That was not a passive insult. That was making sure that I had it right and wasn’t mistaking you with someone else. You’ve been a total asswipe about many things lately. Just wasn’t sure if this was one.

    I think it’s humorous to see your about face. Carry on.

    (Unfortunately I cannot live here and read each and every post. Maybe Santa can keep me filled in, in the meantime.)

    :)

  72. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Or Cubs catcher Max Ramirez–who has also been waived…

  73. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 28th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Ray, there were a lot of people who wanted Montero brought up or thought he would be. Not all of them were oppressive jerks about it. In fact most were not. At this point I can’t remember everyone’s schtick but I do seem to remember LGY’s large yap in there.

  74. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Or Cubs catcher Max Ramirez–who has also been waived…

    No way he makes it past the Red Sox though.

  75. MG March 28th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Here is today’s poll: Who would you rather have as the Yankees back up catcher?

    A Gustavo Molina
    B Charlie Silvera
    C Just erect a backstop

  76. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 28th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Anyway, I will check later to see if there are any more guesses.

    Take care, good Yankee fans.

  77. West Coast Yankee Fan March 28th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    I think the Sux are relatively happy with Salty.

  78. stuckey99 March 28th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    I got two-bits on the over on Molina batting .400 with a couple of big RBI’s come Easter.

    The bridgejumpers by rule are almost always wrong.

  79. tyanksfan36 March 28th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Its not like Montero was hitting .400 in spring training anyway. In 2 games I watched just Montero, he dropped the ball twice out of his glove. Montero isn’t the first top prospect to be sent back to the minors. Rays fans were upset that Hellickson was stuck in AAA while Shields was stinking it up in the majors.

  80. BeholdArNo March 28th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    “Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
    If Gustavo Molina had true game calling magic powers, the ability to hit alittle, and great D he would have gotten more shots in the majors than he has, where guys like Wil Nieves play more than he does.”

    Thank you

  81. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Its not like Montero was hitting .400 in spring training anyway.

    Hitting close to it over his last 10 games

  82. blake March 28th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Has Girardi called him Gusty yet? If he does he might be around awhile

  83. RayVT March 28th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    I remember years ago I was sure Gerald Williams would start in CF over some kid named Bernie! I have a bit of crow caught in my teeth since then. LOL! I’m sure the Yanks know best & have a plan. Montero is still just a phone call away. I’ve seen the kid in person & he is awesome IMO.

  84. LGY March 28th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    trisha,

    No one is asking you to keep up with every post. But if you are not going to, don’t pretend you actually know what people are posting, because it makes you look like an asswipe (to borrow a word from you).

    If you were paying attention today, you would see I posted this in response to an honest question (as opposed to your passive insulting attempt to feel better about yourself)

    “Nick

    Of course.

    But that would make the discussion pretty boring, no?

    I am not opposed to this decision as vehemently as I am arguing against it :)”

    Finally, you are mistaking my asswipeness towards you with my asswipeness towards you with my asswipeness toward the general community.

  85. Yankee Trader March 28th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Maybe the Yankees can find another backup catcher out of all these catchers who played in spring training:

    From MLB.com ST batting stats of all catchers:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sorta.....imeFrame=1

  86. Erica in NY March 28th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Fran the original March 28th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
    Erica,

    You’re right. My whole GTLU strategy down the drain. And I have a title to defend.

    Looks like may be Nunez 4

    *****************

    Its all the mastermind Girardi’s plan to win GTLU

  87. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    .389 over his last 10 games :)

  88. stuckey99 March 28th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    “Hitting close to it over his last 10 games”

    Which is something of red light, do you think?

  89. BTX March 28th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    “Which is something of red light, do you think?”

    Once he saw the writing on the wall that he wouldn’t be the backup and Molina had emerged as the favorite, he stopped pressing and started hitting?

  90. LGY March 28th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Over/Under on the amount of games Nunez plays in April?

  91. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    7.5

  92. Giuseppe Franco March 28th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    # Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    .389 over his last 10 games :)

    ———

    After being told by Long and Girardi to stay away from the bat rack early on.

  93. Yankee Trader March 28th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    GB7-

    Any thoughts on where these players still on the 40 man roster will be playing next week??

    Steve Garrison
    Jose Ortegano
    Reegie Corona
    Colin Curtis
    Chris Dickerson
    Greg Golson
    Kevin Russo

  94. Betsy March 28th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    It’s just no big deal about Montero – he’ll be fine and I’m sure we’ll see him up here at some point

    I’ve never understood how any player can just have his contract sold to a team in Japan without his consent. If a player refuses to go, what would happen? It just seems unfair, to force someone to go halfway around the world – if he’s not inclined.

  95. Joe from Long Island March 28th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    1. It’s tough for any player to be sent down, and not make the team. It must be especially so for Ramiro Pena, given he was on the team the past two years. It’s a tough business sometimes.

    2. What would we all think if Jesus Montero played in 83 games, and hit .280, with 11 HRs and 54 RBI, in 293 ABs? Would that be good enough?

    That was Yogi Berra’s line in 1947, his first year that he made the team out of ST. And, BTW – the Dodgers ran wild on him in the WS that year.

  96. blake March 28th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Is Posada’s concussion situation bad enough that he couldn’t catch 3 or 4 games until Cervelli got back?

  97. yanks 27 March 28th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Girardi on Montero: “I think he pressed.”

  98. stuckey99 March 28th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    “After being told by Long and Girardi to stay away from the bat rack early on.”

    I think most of us, minus the cranks, misfits and idiots can agree that there is SOME reason Montero didn’t make the team, can’t we? That Girardi and Cashman aren’t arbitrarily favoring Molina?

    So the question is, if it wasn’t his hitting, what IS their motivation?

  99. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    So the question is, if it wasn’t his hitting, what IS their motivation?

    Service time, playing time, the yankees reluctance to give an untested player a prominent role out of camp (which is what Montero would have received to be worth the promotion), 40 man reasons

  100. joeman March 28th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    # Betsy March 28th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    It’s just no big deal about Montero – he’ll be fine and I’m sure we’ll see him up here at some point

    I’ve never understood how any player can just have his contract sold to a team in Japan without his consent. If a player refuses to go, what would happen? It just seems unfair, to force someone to go halfway around the world – if he’s not inclined.
    ————————————————————————————-
    would you play over in japan now…not me

  101. Fran the original March 28th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    Its all the mastermind Girardi’s plan to win GTLU
    **********
    Erica,

    You’re right. I should have thought of that :)

  102. Yankee Trader March 28th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    Max Ramirez had a good spring for the Cubs.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.....pe='R

  103. LoHudKnicks March 28th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    Word on the street is that this is as much as about Montero’s attitude and approach as much as it is or isn’t about his 10-game batting average. He clearly did not seize this overall opportunity to impress, so AAA it is.

    Hopefully his effort on the defensive side will improve and Yanks will be forced to bring him up when Martin inevitably gets hurt.

    And that’s that with that.

  104. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Players don’t just get sold to Japan, they have to agree to a deal with their japanese team and then their major league team sells the contract to Japan. This removes the ability for other teams to steal the player on waivers.

    If Romulo is going to Japan, it is because he agreed to it.

  105. yanks 27 March 28th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    “Over/Under on the amount of games Nunez plays in April?”

    If the question is STARTS… I’ll say 2. He’ll probably get into some games in garbage time or as a pinch runner late though.

    Him and Chavez are going to struggle to find playing time, Nunez especially. Jeter/Cano/Tex play everyday. A-Rod and Girardi said he wants to get in at least 150 games this year.

  106. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Betsy March 28th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
    It’s just no big deal about Montero – he’ll be fine and I’m sure we’ll see him up here at some point

    I’ve never understood how any player can just have his contract sold to a team in Japan without his consent. If a player refuses to go, what would happen? It just seems unfair, to force someone to go halfway around the world – if he’s not inclined.
    ________________
    He may have asked to be sent to Japan. There are a lot of benefits. He might get a bigger paycheck and be able to earn and save some money. He gets all the radiation he wants for free. He’ll be bigger than most Japanese, so when he is short on cash, he can randomly mug someone. Sushi…the real stuff. Many many more bennies (as Joe calls them)

  107. Betsy March 28th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Ouch, PF thinks he’s going to be out at least a few weeks? Odd that the MRI can’t even pinpoint what’s wrong with him

  108. stuckey99 March 28th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    “Service time, playing time, the yankees reluctance to give an untested player a prominent role out of camp (which is what Montero would have received to be worth the promotion), 40 man reasons”

    See, this doesn’t make much sense to me. This implies to me he had little to no shot to make the club. That he couldn’t have played his way on.

    And given that he got the majority of the playing time after Martin the implications don’t seem to add up.

  109. Betsy March 28th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Bojo, if he wants to go, that’s fine, but if he doesn’t? Then what?

  110. Giuseppe Franco March 28th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    # Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    So the question is, if it wasn’t his hitting, what IS their motivation?

    Service time, playing time, the yankees reluctance to give an untested player a prominent role out of camp (which is what Montero would have received to be worth the promotion), 40 man reasons

    ——–

    What Jerk said. I’m not going to piss and moan and complain that Girardi and Cashman had it out for Montero and favored Molina. That would be moronic.

    But I don’t think they made things easier for him, either. Just don’t like having a guy who really isn’t a major leaguer playing any meaningful games.

  111. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Betsy March 28th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
    Bojo, if he wants to go, that’s fine, but if he doesn’t? Then what?
    __________
    Released…given a 400 yard head start, and then hunted down by Evan Longoria and his AK-47.

  112. Fran the original March 28th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    I’m sure that when the Yankees feel Montero and/or Romine are ready to catch in the ML, they’ll be up.

    IMO if back-up catcher is the biggest problem, then the Yankees don’t have a lot to worry about.

  113. 4time March 28th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    “But I don’t think they made things easier for him, either. Just don’t like having a guy who really isn’t a major leaguer playing any meaningful games.”

    Agree.

  114. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Trader, I’d guess that Garrison (40 man roster and either Golson or Dickerson (one depending on Granderson’s health…which one also depends on the health of the other). Ortegano was pretty bad last year in AAA, so if Garrisone really stinks it up, he might be the next lefty recalled. Sisco isn’t on the 40 Man roster I don’t think.

  115. G. Love March 28th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    I think it’s a bit of a disgrace that Molina gets to make the Yankees on opening day, but that’s just me.

    He’s not even a AAA player and Girardi will definitely start him in the opening week since you can’t make Martin start every single game.

    The guy earned nothing in camp other than apparently Girardi’s respect for his total lack of baseball skills.

    I’d rather they dig up Sal Fasano again. At least his mustache was interesting.

    Letting Montero experience opening day and play until Cervelli was ready to back up Martin would have been my choice, but I’m of the mindset this has something to do with keeping Monetero’s arb clock off so he’s worth more in a trade this season if they decide to deal him.

    That said, I’m glad they went with Chavez and Nunez. At least we’ll have subs in the infield who can hit the ball when they spell the regulars this season.

  116. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    If they can get him, I think Ramirez woulod be a natural for BUC. I can already see Girardi referring to his shin guards as Maxi Pads.

  117. joeman March 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    # Betsy March 28th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Ouch, PF thinks he’s going to be out at least a few weeks? Odd that the MRI can’t even pinpoint what’s wrong with him
    ———————————————————
    not odd at all it happens a lot thats why they do Exploratory Surgery when a MRI shows nothing they know the area they want to look …happen to me on my pitching shoulder

  118. joeman March 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    # Betsy March 28th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Bojo, if he wants to go, that’s fine, but if he doesn’t? Then what?
    ————————–
    ask for a release

  119. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    See, this doesn’t make much sense to me. This implies to me he had little to no shot to make the club. That he couldn’t have played his way on.

    Maybe he could have, if he hit a few bombs, batted over .300 or something like that?

  120. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Bojo, if he wants to go, that’s fine, but if he doesn’t? Then what?

    As I posted, players have to want to go to Japan to have their contract sold there. If he didn’t he would simply be released by the team.

  121. stuckey99 March 28th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    “But I don’t think they made things easier for him, either. Just don’t like having a guy who really isn’t a major leaguer playing any meaningful games.”

    Not seeing any internal logic here.

    Nova was given the #4 spot, and with Colon pitching as well as he did, Yankees could have used it to send Nova down as “depth” as the argument was advanced if their reluctance was so systematic as that.

    And I don’t see any internally logical separation between starting pitcher and positional player either.

    Surely with Martin here Nova will have carried a LOT more responsibility than Montero would have as the BUC.

    To me, the smart money is on the Yankees saw something they didn’t like specifically this spring. Given that we all saw it too, have a hard time seeing how people are overlooking it so.

  122. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Nova pitched last year.

  123. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    “The 30-year-old Stults, drafted in 2002, figured this week it was time for a change after first hearing of Japanese interest over the winter. Out of options, he saw he wasn’t going to be the Dodgers’ fifth starter, and the inquiries from Japan had renewed.

    He came to a quick agreement, accepting a one-year deal for 75 million yen (about $804,000) plus incentives, nearly double the $410,000 he would have earned if he spent the entire 2010 season in the Major Leagues. The club also has a 2011 option, and the Dodgers received several hundred thousand dollars as compensation.

    Stults will receive a severance of $125,000, with the Dodgers realizing a savings of $375,000 from his $500,000 salary.

    “Financially, it is a boost for us,” said Stults, who will take wife Stephanie, 4-year-old daughter Madeline and 20-month-old son Luke. “I talked to six or seven guys who have played over there, and I got no indication from anybody that they didn’t like it. They all loved it. ”

    An article about Stults getting sold to japan.

  124. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    joeman March 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
    # Betsy March 28th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Bojo, if he wants to go, that’s fine, but if he doesn’t? Then what?
    ————————–
    ask for a release
    _____________
    Actually and seriously, he would have been waived and then–if not claimed–he could have asked for his release or accept an assignment to minors.

    Going to Japan actually has advantages, and was done with Albaladejo. It makes the player more money, because the Japanese club has to sign him for an amount he agrees to. For the Yankees, it gets a AAAA player to another league where he might work on things and actually improve. Given the good will of sending him there and looking out for him, they might have a good chance to re-sign him at a future date.

  125. joeman March 28th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    I would have taken a release instead of going over there…they are still having quakes in the 4′s

  126. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    is it the end of the world if Montero can play almost every day in the minors and refine his game more than if he were in NY only playing 25-35% of the time?

    I’m sure he’d do fine right now, but the Yankees don’t need to make panic-type moves in April.

    You roll the dice with your BENCH players, see how it goes, and make adjustments as the season goes on.

  127. stuckey99 March 28th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    “Maybe he could have, if he hit a few bombs, batted over .300 or something like that?”

    So is the implication then the Yankee organization is less enamored with Montero than some fans?

    I don’t see any way to walk away from the line of logic other than the Yankees doubt his abilities much more than fans.

  128. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    I would have taken a release instead of going over there…they are still having quakes in the 4?s

    Scared?

  129. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    So is the implication then the Yankee organization is less enamored with Montero than some fans?

    Probably less enamored with his 0 major league at bats.

  130. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Joe from Long Island March 28th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
    1. It’s tough for any player to be sent down, and not make the team. It must be especially so for Ramiro Pena, given he was on the team the past two years. It’s a tough business sometimes.

    2. What would we all think if Jesus Montero played in 83 games, and hit .280, with 11 HRs and 54 RBI, in 293 ABs? Would that be good enough?

    That was Yogi Berra’s line in 1947, his first year that he made the team out of ST. And, BTW – the Dodgers ran wild on him in the WS that year

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Joe, a little bit of trivia on Yogi. His first WS homer was in 1947, as a pinch hitter. It was the first WS pinch hit homer in history.

  131. 4time March 28th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    We sold Darrell Rasner to Japan too

  132. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    good article Jerkface.

    I want to know how many people on here would turn down an extra $400k to go to Japan for a year :)

    I’ve never been to Japan, but aside from recent events, it seems like a great place especially if you’re upper-class.

  133. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    It’s not like the quakes are a monthly event. One could have the same fear playing in California…the next quake of that magnitude might not be for another decade.

  134. Betsy March 28th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Jerkface, thanks!

  135. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    “So is the implication then the Yankee organization is less enamored with Montero than some fans?”

    —————–

    can’t you say that about almost every prospect that receives mention on here?

    we tend to anoint future all-stars and hall of famers as soon as they make it into BA’s top 10 Yankee prospects list.

  136. joeman March 28th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    anyone know how many games he caught last year and how many games he DH

  137. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Hi!

    Just back from food shopping, cooking dinner and eating.

    Wow – Sanchez to Japan. What did he do????

    *****

    The BUC is not catching more than once a week, per Girardi – or at least that’s his plan. I guess he wants Martin to get his game going, as well as probably building in some weather days into the plan.

    *****

    I am glad Nunez made the team, but I feel badly for Pena. I’m just glad I don’t have to make these decisions. No real surprises, though.

  138. stuckey99 March 28th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    “Nova pitched last year.”

    He’s still a rookie.

    So 7 games in which he clearly demonstrated an issue that certainly needs resolving is the dividing line to this theory?

    This is backwards justification. This is looking for factors to support the “theory” rather than letting the factors dictate the conclusion.

  139. Betsy March 28th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    BD, I have absolutely no desire to go to Japan, so yeah, I would turn down the $$

  140. joeman March 28th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    # Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    I would have taken a release instead of going over there…they are still having quakes in the 4?s

    Scared?
    ————————————–
    easy to say that from here…

  141. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    He started 7 games. Thats a fifth of a season for a starting pitcher. If you throw any more you’re in danger of simply being the starter.

  142. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Also, it seems there are quite a few people here, so I’ll ask now:

    For the very first GTLU, I am wondering if for one time, and one time only – because we have NO IDEA when Joe Girardi is going to announce his opening day lineup (he could announce it now and I would not be surprised), would those who are interested in playing be up for:

    Opening up GTLU from Wednesday night at 6 pm until the lineup is announced on Thursday for GTLU?

    Or a little earlier. Or something. I just don’t trust Girardi to let us have our Opening Day GTLU for some reason. I think he’s going to announce the lineup early. And I am going on vacation and there won’t be another GTLU until April 12.

    What do you guys think?

  143. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Ok Betsy. Have you been there before and didn’t like it?

    I guess I should just say I certainly can’t blame someone for moving to Japan for 12 months if it means an extra $400,000.

  144. stuckey99 March 28th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    “Probably less enamored with his 0 major league at bats.”

    So the Yankees as an organization actively promote a system in which they expect and plan for for their top prospects to get their first big league experience in an emergency and they have NO OTHER choice but to play them?

  145. joeman March 28th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Doreen…..are you being safe today ?

  146. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    I would probably live almost anywhere for $800,000. Japan is really nice though, having been there and having relationships with many japanese people.

    Plus you can see good quality baseball games there, awesome.

  147. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    So the Yankees as an organization actively promote a system in which they expect and plan for for their top prospects to get their first big league experience in an emergency and they have NO OTHER choice but to play them?

    Or september callups.

    In the past 10 years, all the big prospects were either september callups or emergency call ups.

  148. LGY March 28th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Nova pitched 42 major league innings last year. He barely makes the cutoff for being a rookie.

    Nova is also the player that got passed over last year until August 23rd for the likes of Sergio Mitre and Dustin Moseley.

    Dustin Moseley started 5 games before Nova even got a shot last year. Dustin Moseley.

  149. joeman March 28th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    # Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    I would probably live almost anywhere for $800,000. Japan is really nice though, having been there and having relationships with many japanese people.

    Plus you can see good quality baseball games there, awesome.
    ———————————————–
    yep one of my top 10 places to live right now……

  150. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    is the Montero deal really that big of a deal?

    they can call him up in 2 months, save a year of control, and only lose maybe 10-15 starts that he may have made.

  151. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    they can call him up in 2 months, save a year of control, and only lose maybe 10-15 starts that he may have made.

    I hope they call him up closer to the 20 days they need to gain an extra year.

  152. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    “I would probably live almost anywhere for $800,000.”

    ————

    likewise. with that kind of money, I’m sure you can make your stay enjoyable.

    I’ve never been to Japan unfortunately so I can’t say I would or wouldn’t want to live there.

  153. LGY March 28th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    :arrow:

  154. Nick in SF March 28th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Bad news for Romulo Sanchez: the team he’s going to plays most of its games in the Miyagi Prefecture.

    Silver lining: Kei Igawa gave him a pair of shades to wear if the field glows too much.

  155. Erica in NY March 28th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    :arrow:

  156. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    “I hope they call him up closer to the 20 days they need to gain an extra year.”

    ————-

    Agreed… just saying that at the end of the day leaving Montero in AAA for a little while isn’t likely to make or break much.

    Are the Yankees better with him here than Molina? Almost definitely.

    Does Montero gain more from playing every day for a few weeks in AAA than playing 4 times in NY? Probably.

    Either way – no reason to get upset.

  157. Giuseppe Franco March 28th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    I’ve never been to Japan, so I have no idea what it would be like to live there for a year without previously ever visiting that country.

    But earning $400K would be tough to turn down.

  158. joeman March 28th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    # Giuseppe Franco March 28th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    I’ve never been to Japan, so I have no idea what it would be like to live there for a year without previously ever visiting that country.

    But earning $400K would be tough to turn down.
    ———————————————————————–
    I’m turning that down without thinking about it…buts thats me

  159. Yankplex March 28th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    Yanks78

    How is Molina a vet? What makes you think he will hit a little? Has he ever thrown out a major league runner?

  160. Carlo March 28th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Moving to Japan for $400K? You serious? Forget its $400K since he would earn something in the minors……so its actually an amount considerably lower than $400K.

    One would have to be nuts to up and leave for Japan for that type of money. $400K isn’t changing a baseball players life.

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