Pouring rain, game in doubt
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 28, 2011 
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The storm clouds have opened here at Steinbrenner Field. It’s officially pouring, and at this point, my guess is that the Yankees and Rays won’t play tonight’s game.
Three days before Opening Day, no sense having Brett Gardner and B.J. Upton running around on a wet outfield. If they decide it’s safe, they’ll play. If it keeps going like this, they probably won’t.
I’ll have more in just a bit, but here are the quick items from the clubhouse.
• Curtis Granderson was supposed to do a lot of work on the field this afternoon, but the rain has cancelled those plans. He’s not sure how much this sets him back — if it sets him back at all — but he’d like to get in a game before Opening Day. He thinks he’ll be 100 percent healthy very close to Opening Day. “Very close to it, if not on it,” he said. He doesn’t expect to go on the disabled list.
• Pedro Feliciano said he expects to be out a couple of weeks. He’ll stay in Tampa to rehab, but said he’ll only need “a couple of bullpens” to be ready for the season.
• Francisco Cervelli was walking around in shoes today. He still has the protective boot, but he’ll lose that for good tomorrow.
• As the clubhouse closed, Romulo Sanchez was packing his bags and saying goodbye. He’s clearly going somewhere, just don’t know where.
• Chris Dickerson said his hamstring issue is “manageable.” He thinks he got a little dehydrated from traveling, and what he thought was a minor one-time-only cramp before the game didn’t quite go away during the game.
• Bartolo Colon said he was not disappointed to end up in the bullpen. “I didn’t pitch last year, so I’m just glad that I made the team,” he said.
• Kevin Millwood has arrived. He said the Yankees haven’t given him an exact plan, but he feels like he could throw about four innings right now.
• As you have probably gathered, no roster decisions have been announced and no lineup has been posted.
Private Room
Ruffino Chianti Classico Riserva
Calamaretti Fritti Con Salsa Piccante
Fried baby squid in hot sauce
Insalata Della Casa
Bocconcini Di Vitello
Veal with prosciutto and sage
Tiramisu
Boooooooooooo I hate rain outs
• Kevin Millwood has arrived. He said the Yankees haven’t given him an exact plan, but he feels like he could throw about four innings right now.
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so could I
No Johnny Damon tonight
“Longtime player, first-time DL-er.”
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The curse of the overpaid LOOGY
Francisco Cervelli was walking around in shoes today. He still has the protective boot, but he?ll lose that for good tomorrow.
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Yay!
And good news on the Grandyman
thats the first one this spring ?
carlos may
cliff johnson
hector lopez
andy carey
joe collins
started on yankee WS winners, too
As long as Thursday’s game is played.
Flash17YES What happened to the sun? http://yfrog.com/h259cyvj
Rich in NJ March 28th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
As long as Thursday?s game is played.
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No kidding. I’ll be really mad if I wasted a half day to go home to watch, and it’s a rainout.
What has Molina done to deserve buc ? He’s never thrown a runner out in the majors.
And he’s the worst hitting Molina in history ! 1-18 with 10 k’s this spring.
Potential ? 0.00
long season.
they are better off resting, between now and Thursday.
benshpigel Confirming the obvious, but amazing what the #Yankees game notes reveal: Eric Chavez was signed to a major-league contract today.
# Erin March 28th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Flash17YES What happened to the sun? http://yfrog.com/h259cyvj
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Here in the Chicagoland area, I’ve been asking that question for 4 months.
“I do not say a team cannot win with a poor player.”
Yeah you pretty much did.
“No team has enough hitting to overcome a guy who will very likely hit well below .200.”
That’s a declarative statement, which you arbitrarily pulled out of thin air.
“You seem to argue that that means it is not detrimental to have one. That is obviously not true.”
Obviously, which is why I never argued that at all.
Let me be clear. I was specifically rebutting your assertion that “no team has enough hitting overcome a guy who will very likely hit well below .200.”
I gave TWO examples of teams that essentially did exactly has you said they could not – the 2010 NY Yankees and the 2010 Tampa Rays.
You’re getting caught up in attempting to color my response for something it is not because you simply don’t want to acknowledge the error of your statement.
all i can say is thank god none of you people are in charge of player development!
don’t care I would keep one of the kids to catch 2-3 times a week until FC is ready
This post is not about Molina/Montero. Just a general point. I would describe myself as a very positive and patient member of this board (right???). But, I never really understood the argument that pennants are not won or lost in April and just the general statements from some just completely degrading any importance of early season games.
This is how many games the AL East has been decided by:
2010: 1
2009: 8
2008: 2
2007: 2
2006: 10
2005: 0 (yes zero)
2004: 3
2003: 6
2002: 10
2001: 13
2000: 2
Considering, it is regularly 2 games or less, I think the “patient” side has taken the argument too far to the extreme in an attempt to battle the “every game is a must win side.”
Both sides are too extreme IMO.
Giuseppe Franco March 28th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Here in the Chicagoland area, I?ve been asking that question for 4 months.
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I’m in the same boat. It actually came out for a little while today, but it’s still so cold!!!! Somebody told me it’s supposed to get up to the 50s this weekend.
“What has Molina done to deserve buc ?”
He has not proven himself to be someone the Yankees have any long-term interest or investment in, which distinguishes him from Montero and Romine and why he may get the temporary assignment.
BryanHoch Yankees game notes say they signed IF Eric Chavez to a Major League contract today & selected him to their 25-man roster.
“# joeman March 28th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
thats the first one this spring ?
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yeah I think so, been a good spring for weather
LGY -
I think “regularly” overstates the situation. 6 of 11 is just over half.
I think Molina will have me begging for Cervelli to replace him as soon as possible…not that I like Cervelli, but given a choice between the 2…….
“Both sides are too extreme IMO.”
No argument ….they all count the same. The difference is in April you have a ton of time to play with but that doesn’t mean those games count any less.
How long do we think before we find out where Sanchez is going?
Welcome Aboard Eric Chavez!
“What has Molina done to deserve buc ?”
Nothing. It is what Montero HASN’T done. Comparing Joe’s comments 2 weeks ago to the ones he made over the weekend say it all.
what you are missing is that the yankees have determined that he’s not an acceptable catcher at this point. if you put him on the team, giardi is going to have to manage the game to avoid using him. even when he starts, if they are winning, he will be taken out.
and he wont get any better playing that infrequently.
Well we know that Boy Genius Theo doesn’t make mistakes so GMolina can’t work out for the Yanks! I am surprised that Cash Money & Joe G are challenging him on this!
Doreen,
True. Poor word choice.
LGY, 4 of those 11 seasons sports a 8 or more game spread, which I consider significant. Five 6 games or batter.
Also more significant I think considering what history has taught us about the postseason in the WC era are the games that decided postseason qualification, rather than the division crown, which I believe statistically suggests a minor advantage.
I personally would then run your findings threw another filter, how significant part time players (24th, 25th men) affect win totals, in April, May, June or otherwise.
I would agree a win is a win is a win, but when you run the numbers through all the variable filters, I just personally believe the significance of individual PA’s (which is what we’re really talking about if viewing these questions on scale) gets blown out of proportion.
Yankees survived a month and a 1/2 of Cody Ransom the year they won the WS. Doesn’t mean you don’t try to do better than Cody Ransom. To me it’s just a argument about keeping things in proper perspective.
LGY -
I get your point. No one wants to give away games. I don’t think the Yankees are in a position where their roster choices so far have compromised their ability to try and win every game.
Deal Romulo Sanchez and an insigificant player to Pittsburgh for switch hitting catcher Ryan Doumit. It beats having Molina around.
http://pirates.mlb.com/team/pl.....pe='R‘
Maybe Sanchez for DFA’d?
girardi is looking at the starting line for the marathon. he figures that colon won’t make the 4 mile mark if he’s pitching every 5th day, so he figures he’ll bench him and use him when he needs him and he’ll last all summer.
the yankees realize that montero is going to be in a much better position to help the team this summer if he spends april and may catching and hitting every day in scranton.
this is the way to win the most games in the season, not the most games in april.
# Erin March 28th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Giuseppe Franco March 28th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Here in the Chicagoland area, I?ve been asking that question for 4 months.
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I’m in the same boat. It actually came out for a little while today, but it’s still so cold!!!! Somebody told me it’s supposed to get up to the 50s this weekend.
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I start getting a little more comfortable when it’s creeps into the 50s and up. I don’t even bother with long pants and coats/jackets/sweatshirts any longer.
maybe they havent announced where sanchez was traded b/c the player he’s being traded for hasnt been notified yet.
Rather get rained out of a game other than the opener/one that CC pitches. Maybe if we can get enough rainouts CC can throw around 45 games. Would be nice.
There you go Y…
No mile counts any less towards your marathon time. But it doesn’t mean you don’t run them differently and employ a strategy for each leg.
I think what one side of the argument doesn’t seem to wrap their head around well is not running each leg of a baseball season as a sprint. Letting Montero start in AAA may make him run “faster” later. Least I assume that’s the Yankees POV.
Why would the pirates give up a switch hitting catcher for nothing? Use your head.
stuckey,
I am not really sure you could definitively quantify how part time players affect win totals.
The only thing that comes to mind that would give us an idea is using WAR.
Since you brought up Cody Ransom, in 2009 he had a -0.9 WAR according to bref and a -0.7 WAR according to fangraphs.
What are your thoughts on that?
“I think what one side of the argument doesn’t seem to wrap their head around well is not running each leg of a baseball season as a sprint. Letting Montero start in AAA may make him run “faster” later. Least I assume that’s the Yankees POV.”
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Personally, I think it is the opposite, so I wouldn’t make this generalization.
Irreverent Discourse March 28th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Why would the pirates give up a switch hitting catcher for nothing? Use your head.
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Use YOUR head and come up with a better idea.
the assertion that molina does not deserve the BUC role, yet montero somehow does because of “hype” is absurd.
the assertion that montero is going to come up and hit in the major leagues as a BUC is also completely absurd.
the assertion that girardi (catcher) and pena(catcher) don’t know when a catcher is ready is…
sigh… im bored now.
Stop trying to think you are smarter than the yankee brass. you aren’t, or you are doing the wrong job. they get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do their jobs (even millions), you don’t know better than they do. unless you just do your crap desk job as a public service…
Rained out. Officially. Yankees just announced it.
“Why would the pirates give up a switch hitting catcher for nothing? Use your head.”
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Ryan Doumit is a catcher?
108 – i do have a better idea, stop worrying about completely irrelevant things like who the back up catcher is for a month til cervelli gets back… in a role that contributes almost nothing towards winning a pennant.
lgy – you know… he probably isn’t anymore but i believe he came up as one. he was certainly catcher eligible in fantasy baseball for the last 2 years
>eboland11 Erik Boland
And now, it is official. Game cancelled
Suck.
Ryan No- mit is the Pirates 4th highest salary and isn’t catching their long term….so while they probably wouldn’t give him away, it probably wouldn’t take a whole lot.
“the assertion that molina does not deserve the BUC role, yet montero somehow does because of “hype” is absurd.”
No one EVER asserted it based on “hype”
“the assertion that montero is going to come up and hit in the major leagues as a BUC is also completely absurd.”
Don’t really understand this one
“the assertion that girardi (catcher) and pena(catcher) don’t know when a catcher is ready is…”
This assumes the decision is being made based on his “readyness”
“Stop trying to think you are smarter than the yankee brass. you aren’t, or you are doing the wrong job. they get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do their jobs (even millions), you don’t know better than they do. unless you just do your crap desk job as a public service…”
People need to stop making this argument, unless they plan to NEVER question any decision the Yankees make.
apparently doumit caught 100 games last year
Pittsburgh has been trying to dump No-Mitt on someone all winter and spring.
lgy – if the public desire for montero to be called up wasn’t based on hype, what is it based on? his poor performance in ST? he has not shown the ability to hit any major league pitching, assuming he will is foolhardy.
Irreverent – I think you misspelled your first name.
niblick – did you have to look it up first to make sure?
“lgy – if the public desire for montero to be called up wasn’t based on hype, what is it based on? his poor performance in ST? he has not shown the ability to hit any major league pitching, assuming he will is foolhardy.”
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Many people on this board have been following and watching Montero since he was 17 years old.
And many of those same people are able to look past 40 at bats in ST.
so is therre a doumit rumor floating?
LGY – many of those people are not arguing for montero to be called up. actually none of them are, except maybe you. hitting minor league pitching proves you can hit minor league pitching. assuming the translation to the majors is like i said, foolish.
he doesn’t need to prove he can hit anyway. he needs to prove he can catch, and they clearly think the best way to do that is to catch every day in AAA… not sit around on the bench waiting for starts.
you of all people can’t possibly be telling me they need the BUC to hit to be competitive… winning a world series with cervelli as the starter and going to the alcs with cervelli as a backup while not hitting at all doesn’t show the absurdity of that?
Stuckey, where are you getting you stats about how a specific position batted on the Yanks. For example, the Yankees DH had an OPS of “X” TIA
ID,
My argument for Montero over Molina is not about the Yankees needing him or wins or losses.
I have actually maintained all winter, I think it is best for Montero’s development to spend the whole year in the big leagues catching about 60 games and DHing some.
with the cervelli injury, ST came down to one thing for montero. prove that you are a capable major league catcher and you go north.
if he hit the same as he has or even a little worse but showed he could be a reliable catcher, we would not even know who gustavo molina is.
he did not show himself to be ready. so it doesnt matter how he hit. he could have hit .400 and he would be going back to scranton. because ultimatly, success in developing montero comes down to whether he can be a competent mll catcher.
and right now he’s not.
LGY – I’ll just have to trust the catchers’ decision on this one, because I’m not foolish enough to think i know how to develop a catcher better than they do.
LGY is correct, the argument that these guys make all the right decisions is absurd. they have more information than we do, but people make a lot of bad decisions. Signing Millwood is a good example just as signing Winn was a terrible one as well. Overall, I like Cashman’s decsions though.
Gang – I am officially opening the 2011 YANKEES PREDICTION CHART. This is where you predict the number of games the Yanks will win. The people who hit it on the head or come closest will win a nice chocolate prize!
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So far we have a high guess of 102 and a low guess of 96.
I think money played into Montero being down as well as the Yanks will get another year of control on him if he is down for 30 days. Obviously if he were hitting teh cover off the ball he would be up, but might as well get him hot before coming up and then also get another year of control.
guru man – the results of a choice do not change the intelligence of making that choice.
trisha – true pinstriped blue March 28th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Yanks win 107
trisha 95 wins
108 stitches March 28th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Deal Romulo Sanchez and an insigificant player to Pittsburgh for switch hitting catcher Ryan Doumit. It beats having Molina around.
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Montero beats having Molina around
Not having montero ready for 2012 because he sat around on the bench all year not catching is not better for anyone.