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Rain out notes: Granderson ready to play

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Mar 28, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

If the Yankees don’t get rained out again, Curtis Granderson has been cleared to play in minor league games tomorrow and Wednesday. If he’s able to play in those two games, Joe Girardi said it’s likely he’ll be able to play on Opening Day.

Today Granderson did the same drills he did yesterday, he just did more of them.

He’ll stay behind when the team breaks camp tomorrow night, skip Wednesday’s workout so he can play at the minor league complex, then he’ll fly to New York on Wednesday night and be there in time for Thursday’s game.

Basically, if everything goes to plan, Granderson will be in the lineup on Opening Day. If there’s a slight setback, he might not be there.

• The Yankees are going to wait to officially add Gustavo Molina to the roster, and they’re going to wait before naming a replacement for Pedro Feliciano. They’re going to check on the availability of other players before making any sort of final decision. “As of right now, (Molina) is going with us tomorrow,” Girardi said.

• Luis Ayala and Steve Garrison are the in-house options to take Feliciano’s place in the bullpen.

• Mark Prior will stay in Tampa strictly because of the weather. The Yankees want him to pitch more than one inning at a time, and they want him to get into back-to-back games, and when it gets warmer, he’ll go north to join (probably) Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.

• Prior has an opt-out in his contract that kicks in mid-summer. He wasn’t sure of the exact date, but he said it’s not something he’s thinking about. All along he’s expected to be assigned to the minor leagues for a while to build innings.

• Girardi said the choice of Eduardo Nunez over Ramiro Pena was his most difficult decision, but the team believes Nunez is a better base-stealer and his minor league numbers suggest he’ll be a better hitter. “It hurts me to send (Pena) down,” Girardi said.

• Talked to both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine. Both seemed to take the news incredibly well. “I have more to come in the future,” Montero said. Girardi said the Yankees might have taken one of them if they were 24 or 25, but because they’re so young, they didn’t want to rush them.

• Obviously the pitching plans were scrambled by today’s rain, but Girardi said right now the plan is to have Rafael Soriano pitch in tomorrow’s big league game and to have Mariano Rivera pitch at the minor league complex.

• A.J. Burnett was supposed to start today and instead threw a kind of sim game inside. He didn’t face hitters, but threw his regular number of pitches. CC Sabathia also threw an indoors side today.

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182 Responses to “Rain out notes: Granderson ready to play”

  1. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Age != Ability

  2. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Repost:

    Also, it seems there are quite a few people here, so I’ll ask now:

    For the very first GTLU, I am wondering if for one time, and one time only – because we have NO IDEA when Joe Girardi is going to announce his opening day lineup (he could announce it now and I would not be surprised), would those who are interested in playing be up for:

    Opening up GTLU from Wednesday night at 6 pm until the lineup is announced on Thursday for GTLU?

    Or a little earlier. Or something. I just don’t trust Girardi to let us have our Opening Day GTLU for some reason. I think he’s going to announce the lineup early. And I am going on vacation and there won’t be another GTLU until April 12.

    What do you guys think?

  3. Bret The Hitman March 28th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    OT

    Girl from my Bio Lab emailed me and wants to meet in the library. I think I’m gonna faint. She is ridiculously hot and smart.

  4. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Doreeny–

    Sounds good to me!

  5. stuckey99 March 28th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    And the oddsmakers take another beating…

  6. stuckey99 March 28th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    “Or september callups.

    “In the past 10 years, all the big prospects were either september callups or emergency call ups.”

    So that’s a yes then?

  7. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    Bret The Hitman March 28th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
    _____________
    They don’t call you Bret the Hitman for nothing, do they?

  8. LGY March 28th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    “but because they’re so young, they didn’t want to rush them”

    ——————–

    Wait.

    So now the reason is that Montero is too young?

    I thought it was his defense. Or actually it was because he wouldn’t get enough playing time. I’m confused :(

  9. LGY March 28th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Nova pitched 42 major league innings last year. He barely makes the cutoff for being a rookie.

    Nova is also the player that got passed over last year until August 23rd for the likes of Sergio Mitre and Dustin Moseley.

    Dustin Moseley started 5 games before Nova even got a shot last year. Dustin Moseley.

  10. Erin March 28th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    “It hurts me to send (Pena) down,” Girardi said.

    ***************************
    I’m happy for Nunez, but I’m going to miss El Nino.

  11. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    So that’s a yes then?

    Yes, I think the Yankees plan for their top prospects is only to play in emergency situations or to come up in september before getting a real shot the next season.

  12. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Bret The Hitman March 28th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
    OT

    Girl from my Bio Lab emailed me and wants to meet in the library. I think I’m gonna faint. She is ridiculously hot and smart.
    __________________
    My, that brings back such memories…Enjoy your time there. It’s all downhill after that.

  13. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    I really feel badly for Pena. Even though I wanted Nunez myself, Pena has been a really good Yankee for the last 2 years and I’ll miss him. Sentiment has no place in MLB…

    It’s great that Granderson will most likely be RTG on OD. Yay!

  14. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    “I hope they call him up closer to the 20 days they need to gain an extra year.”

    ————-

    Agreed… just saying that at the end of the day leaving Montero in AAA for a little while isn’t likely to make or break much.

    Are the Yankees better with him here than Molina? Almost definitely.

    Does Montero gain more from playing every day for a few weeks in AAA than playing 4 times in NY? Probably.

    Either way – no reason to get upset.

  15. LGY March 28th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Yay Grandy!

  16. Erica in NY March 28th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Doreen-

    I think thats a good idea

    But it sounds like Granderson could be a last minute decision Thursday. My hunch is Griardi will wait to give the line up

  17. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    love Granderson! great news.

    I think he’s going to have an all-star caliber season.

  18. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Does Montero gain more from playing every day for a few weeks in AAA than playing 4 times in NY? Probably.

    See this one I think is maybe. I like the idea of him being around Martin, Posada, Girardi, Pena and facing major league pitchers. Hope he mashes down in AAA though.

  19. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Oh, BTW, GTLU-ers, you should know that on Wednesday night I will be at a meeting from 5:45 until 9:15. But I will do catch-up GTLU when I get home. Just put GTLU in your post and I will find you.

  20. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    So Grandy’s opening day status is hinging on the rain? :x

  21. Joe from Long Island March 28th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    1. I really don’t think we need to invoke anything like arb considerations for Montero being sent to AAA. Does anyone think a team that spent a-half-a-billion dollars on three guys is trying to save a few sheckels at the expense of winning? Maybe Joe Girardi and Tony Pena – who know a bit more about baseball in general and catching in particular than anyone on this blog – really believed that his career would be best affected by spending more time in AAA, particularly at the start of the season.

    2. GB7 – you should really read Allan Barra’s book on Yogi. It’s a great read, and brings to life that era in baseball.

  22. Erin March 28th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    Doreen-if you’re willing to do it on Wednesday night, that’d be great. I was actually thinking today that knowing my luck I’d get to work on Thursday, log onto my computer only to find that the lineup was already out. lol

  23. DocTodd March 28th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Well,that sounds like a great reason to go to the library! Good luck dude!

  24. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    1. I really don’t think we need to invoke anything like arb considerations for Montero being sent to AAA. Does anyone think a team that spent a-half-a-billion dollars on three guys is trying to save a few sheckels at the expense of winning? Maybe Joe Girardi and Tony Pena – who know a bit more about baseball in general and catching in particular than anyone on this blog – really believed that his career would be best affected by spending more time in AAA, particularly at the start of the season.

    Its not arbitration. If they keep him down until April 20 they gain an extra year before free agency. It takes much longer to avoid arbitration, around late May / early June

  25. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Erica -

    That’s a good point. Hmmm.

    What to do, what to do……….

    Let me go back and re-read the Granderson plan.

  26. LGY March 28th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    I am happy to have Nuney on the team because I really like him and he is a better hitter than Pena, but I’m upset they are going to ruin him as a prospect and turn him into..well..Ramiro Pena :(

  27. stuckey99 March 28th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Wow.

    I think the need to find someone or something to blame other than Jesus Montero is dictating the rational here.

    Now we got it down to a systematic preference that really has no logical reasoning that I’ve seen behind it, other than circumstantial culling of some for instances.

    Yankees didn’t like what they saw from Montero. They plainly said as much out loud if you could read between the lines.

    But yeah, I supposed I just guessed right 10 days ago. :-)

  28. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    “Yes, I think the Yankees plan for their top prospects is only to play in emergency situations or to come up in september before getting a real shot the next season.”

    —————-

    Is it a shock that top prospect rookies will have a harder time starting right off the bat on playoff teams than on small market teams?

    The Yankees try to field a championship caliber team every season. Naturally, that means that the holes in their lineup should be few.

    Montero, of course, is highly regarded but in general it seems like prospects are eased in more often than they are in Pittsburgh.

    We’re not talking about the Red Sox catching or SS position. This is the Yankees ;)

  29. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    But yeah, I supposed I just guessed right 10 days ago.

    Technically you guessed wrong, I did correctly call Molina being the backup tho :) The ‘systematic reasoning’ cannot be refuted, since you can’t find evidence against it. You can on other teams though, but not the Yankees which is the point.

  30. LGY March 28th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    stuckey,

    You predicted Romine would make the team. Please only take credit for things you actually get right. You are not trisha ;)

  31. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    “I’m upset they are going to ruin him as a prospect and turn him into..well..Ramiro Pena”

    —————–

    explain that one.

    strictly because he will only be playing once in a while?

  32. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Okay.

    I am going to open the GTLU on Wednesday night at 9 pm (not 6). It will remain open until 11 am on Thursday.

    This is a one-time occurrence.

    I will post reminders every now and again about this plan.

    Thanks guys.

  33. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    explain that one.

    strictly because he will only be playing once in a while?

    Nunez is a legit prospect at short, but is blocked at every position on the Yankees for atleast 4 years. His highest value probably comes in a trade, but the Yankees are going to be giving him 150-200 PA in the majors hampering his ability to grow offensively due to lack of consistent at bats. He does make good insurance incase one of the infielders goes down though, but he should be kept sharp in AAA.

  34. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    “Does anyone think a team that spent a-half-a-billion dollars on three guys is trying to save a few sheckels at the expense of winning?”

    ————–

    If that were the only factor, then of course not.

    But clearly it wasn’t the only factor and it’s doubtful that it was close to being the most important one.

    Still, you shouldn’t be discounting the benefit of gaining an extra year as being meaningless.

  35. Erica in NY March 28th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Doreen-

    Sounds like a plan.

    But you should also give a caveat that if the line up is leaked before 11am Thursday- all line up submissions thereafter are invalid

  36. Chad Jennings March 28th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Montero’s age is a factor because they think he’s still young enough that the minor leagues can make him — and Romine — significantly better. The age thing is not about ability, it’s about whether going to the minor leagues legitimately helps those two become better players.

    Feel free to disagree with the decision, but I think that particular bit of logic actually makes sense. It’s one thing to push a 25-year-old. It’s something else to push a 21-year-old. Montero is still going to be one of the youngest players in Triple-A this season.

  37. Erica in NY March 28th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Wait Doreen-

    Thursday is a 1pm game. I would think the line up would be up MUCH sooner than 11… probably 9am ish. Breakfast GTLU!

  38. pat March 28th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    They are doing a live spring training show on YES instead of the game.

  39. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Joe, I think I misunderstood your post. Not the first time I effed up. If so, my bad.

  40. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Erica -

    Absolutely.

    I guess I’ll be on twitter for a couple of days. Tweet, tweet, tweet. LOL

  41. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    “Montero is still going to be one of the youngest players in Triple-A this season.”

    —————

    great point Chad.

    I’m sure we’ll see our share of Jesus this season anyway.

  42. pat March 28th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Also- Alex was on with Michael Kay a little while ago. Very relaxed interview.

  43. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Erica -

    Last season I did 8 to 10 for a day game. I guess that’s better (3 hours prior to game time).

    I was trying to give West Coasters as much an opportunity as possible. 8 to 10 is 5 to 7 out west, right? Do they get up that early out there???? ;)

    I hate day games.

  44. LGY March 28th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    “150-200 PA in the majors”

    ——

    I actually think there is a pretty good chance Nunez gets less than 100 PA’s this season.

  45. Tom in N.J. March 28th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Chad, great work this spring.

    Thanks.

  46. blake March 28th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Nunez himself is probably happy to be with the Yanks rather than SWB.

  47. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    If they are worried about his age there is no amount of readiness he can show.

  48. Nick in SF March 28th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    re-post Cliff’s Notes: Sanchez.. Miyagi Prefecture… Igawa… shades… glowing field.

  49. Erica in NY March 28th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
    Erica -

    Absolutely.

    I guess I’ll be on twitter for a couple of days. Tweet, tweet, tweet. LOL

    *****************

    LOL

  50. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Last year only 75 PA’s were given out between SS and 2B to our utility infielders.

    Add around 125 for 3B.

  51. Asd March 28th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    .• Obviously the pitching plans were scrambled by today’s rain, but Girardi said right now the plan is to have Rafael Soriano pitch in tomorrow’s big league game and to have Mariano Rivera pitch at the minor league complex.

    =====

    Good, nice to see the law laid down.

  52. m March 28th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    If Montero was 24 or 25, he wouldn’t need more time in the minors. :P

  53. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    If Montero was 24 or 25, he wouldn’t need more time in the minors

    Depends on when he got started in this hypothetical scenario :)

  54. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Montero is on the Cano/Jeter 5 year plan. Get playing time in year 5 and stay with the team after.

  55. Giuseppe Franco March 28th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    # Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    If they are worried about his age there is no amount of readiness he can show.

    ——–

    Fair point.

    Not to mention that age didn’t seem like much of a deterrent when Girardi discussed at length early in ST about how much Montero could learn in the majors as a backup, citing his own experience with Posada under his wing back in the late 90s.

  56. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    Okay -

    Did a bit of quick searching.

    Last year’s 1 p.m. home opener had the lineup posted at 9:24 am Eastern.

    So, for this year’s Home Opener, I will accept lineups from 9 pm Wednesday night through 8:45 am Thursday. I think this is fair and gives everyone who is interested in playing the first GTLU an opportunity to submit a lineup. There should be Granderson news by 9 pm Wednesday and 8:45 am is because I won’t be surprised in the lineup is up by 9 am.

    That’s the final call.

  57. Bronx Jeers March 28th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    I really don’t think we need to invoke anything like arb considerations for Montero being sent to AAA. Does anyone think a team that spent a-half-a-billion dollars on three guys is trying to save a few sheckels at the expense of winning.

    ————————————————————————————————————————————————-

    Yes.

    It’s not like Montero’s was going to be a big factor in the 10 or so games he was going to play before Cervelli returns.

    And the Yankees do like to save their sheckels and in Montero’s case you could be talking about a lot of sheckels when it comes to an extra year of control.

  58. stuckey99 March 28th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    “You predicted Romine would make the team. Please only take credit for things you actually get right. You are not trisha”

    I was ABSOLUTELY ultimately wrong about Romine.

    But I clearly enunciated my reasons, which was the Yankees weren’t going to go North with Montero.

    And days after I made my Romine prediction, all of a sudden 4 members of the media came out with their Romine theories.

    As I told you earlier LGY, I less focus on what I think SHOULD happen and more try to read what I think will happen and again, I WAS ultimately wrong about Romine in the end, but anyone being fair know what time is really is… :-)

  59. m March 28th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    The point is that there’s a certain age where you lose that prospectiveness. If he’s 24~25, then you just need to get what you can out of him.

  60. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Does this mean I can be smug about being right about Molina and maybe ultimately Moeller or a better backup coming to the team in the next few days?

  61. Erica in NY March 28th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Doreen-

    Well done :-)

  62. West Coast Yankee Fan March 28th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Did Joba make the team? :-)

  63. Erica in NY March 28th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
    Does this mean I can be smug about being right about Molina and maybe ultimately Moeller or a better backup coming to the team in the next few days?

    ****************

    As if you aren’t smug anyway ;-)

  64. blake March 28th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Brackman is 25

  65. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Giuseppe Franco -

    I truly think Girardi was thinking out loud at the time he was talking about how they could possibly break Montero in now. Cervelli had gotten injured; Montero was catching well at the time. He was being asked about it. I don’t think it was a serious scenario, thinking back. But we all got excited and jumped on it.

    That’s okay.

    Better they make more reasoned decision, whether we like them or not.

  66. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    The point is that there’s a certain age where you lose that prospectiveness. If he’s 24~25, then you just need to get what you can out of him.

    Yes, basically at certain ages you can be given a shot but they don’t NEED to give you a shot. Even if you are ready. Its asking a lot for a 20 year old to play in the majors, regardless of readiness.

  67. m March 28th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Brackman went to college, and spent at least a year out from TJS.

  68. blake March 28th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    “Brackman went to college, and spent at least a year out from TJS.”

    yea….guys get ready at different ages. Some earlier than others. Heyward was ready at 20 last year.

  69. Joe from Long Island March 28th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    I do believe that Brackman lost a year and a half to the surgery.

  70. Asd March 28th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    >As I told you earlier LGY, I less focus on what I think SHOULD happen and more try to read what I think will happen and again, I WAS ultimately wrong about Romine in the end, but anyone being fair know what time is really is…

    So… you’re saying that even though you were wrong, you were actually right?

    Hmmmm (wink).

  71. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Heyward was ready at 20 last year.

    Was he? Maybe he could have done with some more seasoning at AAA.

  72. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    The Yankees are going to wait to officially add Gustavo Molina to the roster, and they’re going to wait before naming a replacement for Pedro Feliciano. They’re going to check on the availability of other players before making any sort of final decision.
    _____________________
    Possible deal for Max Ramirez? He doesn’t have to clear waivers for a deal…and Cubs wouldn’t get much back by just waiving him…

    Probably could get him for a box of Wheaties to be named later.

  73. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    He doesn’t have to clear waivers for a deal

    But the Yankees do have to be able to claim him. He goes through the entire NL first, then the AL. And the Yankees have 2nd to last chance.

  74. blake March 28th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Alex played in the big leagues at 18 and 19 and a full season at 20 where he hit .358 and had 54 doubles !

  75. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    West Coasters -

    Are there any of you out there who regularly play GTLU?

  76. stuckey99 March 28th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    “The ‘systematic reasoning’ cannot be refuted,”

    You got a rebuttal that answers the Yankees had concerns about how badly he looked in some ABs and how the struggles apparently effected his defense?

    Can you address the “theory” the Yankees saw things that concerned them the last 6 weeks?

    “since you can’t find evidence against it.”

    Here’s one of my problem with it, utter than it being purely circumstantial and having little to no internal logic.

    Where was the theory 6 weeks ago if this was a provable, purely intellectual argument?

    Am I mistaken, or were you and others arguing that Montero probably was NOT going to make the Yankees in February because you were aware then of this organizational philosophy?

    Am I wronged to be confused by and wonder why you didn’t seem to expect this to happen a week ago?

    Seems this rational suddenly was advanced in wake of Montero not making the team, rather than in anticipation he wouldn’t and that there is both are emotional attachment and desire-to-criticize factors in the appearance of this theory, which anyone practiced in such things knows compromises the integrity of it.

    If anyone here can stand up and say they’re on record as arguing Montero was going to have hard time making the team 7 weeks ago because of this reasoning, I will give them all the props in the world.

    If you thought of it 4 days ago, and fully expected Montero to make then team 6 days ago, I have a harder time taking it too seriously.

  77. West Coast Yankee Fan March 28th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    I play

  78. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Jerkface–Can’t he just be pulled back from waivers and traded? I think the answer is yes.

  79. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    “Was he? Maybe he could have done with some more seasoning at AAA.”

    ————–

    he also was the starter from day 1.

    big difference between playing every day and making the team to sit on the bench, no?

    on top of that, and not that Atlanta wasn’t a playoff contender, but there is a difference between how smaller market teams work than the NY Yankees.

  80. m March 28th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Jerkface,

    Something tells me you have read a single one of my posts re: Montero. I wrote about the mental aspect quite often.

    Obviously there’s more to being ready than having a sweet swing.

  81. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    BTW–Many of the greatest ballplayers had their best seasons before the age 25. Keeping a top prospect down on the farm might mean you lose his best years.

  82. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Am I wronged to be confused by and wonder why you didn’t seem to expect this to happen a week ago?

    Yes there is a difference between hoping the Yankees step out of their comfort zone and show a shift in philosophy and saying definitively what the Yankees will do.

  83. stuckey99 March 28th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    “So… you’re saying that even though you were wrong, you were actually right? ”

    No, i was half right and people who at the time thought Montero would make it were all wrong.

    Jerkface was also half right when he qualified that it would Molina if not Montero.

    “Does this mean I can be smug about being right about Molina and maybe ultimately Moeller or a better backup coming to the team in the next few days?”

    Absolutely.

  84. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Jerkface–Can’t he just be pulled back from waivers and traded? I think the answer is yes.

    Depends on the waivers.

  85. blake March 28th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    “on top of that, and not that Atlanta wasn’t a playoff contender, but there is a difference between how smaller market teams work than the NY Yankees.”

    except for the fact that part of the reason they brought him up when they did was to give Cox the best shot they could in his final year….otherwise my guess is they would have kept him down for a month to get the extra year of control. I don’t know that, but I bet they would have if Bobby hadn’t been retiring.

  86. stuckey99 March 28th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    “Yes there is a difference between hoping the Yankees step out of their comfort zone and show a shift in philosophy and saying definitively what the Yankees will do.”

    Did you ever give voice to that? :-)

  87. m March 28th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    How long has Montero been catching? Since the age of…?

  88. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    WCYF -

    Thanks.

    Do you submit lineups for day games or just night games? And if I opened up GTLU the night before day games would you be more likely to submit a lineup for a day game?

  89. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    blake,

    good point.

    but still, what other teams do vs. the Yankees isn’t always apples to apples.

  90. Asd March 28th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    >BTW–Many of the greatest ballplayers had their best seasons before the age 25. Keeping a top prospect down on the farm might mean you lose his best years.

    =====

    I would think you could say the first sentence, or the second sentence, but not defend one with the other, meaning, if Montero’s good years are only in the beginning he wouldn’t become “one of the greatest ballplayers”. That would involve lots of great years, not just some.

  91. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    How long has Montero been catching? Since the age of…?

    Since he was a wee lad in the sweltering desert of Venezuela.

  92. 108 stitches March 28th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    It’s hindsight but the 1st thing Cashman should have done when Cervelli went down was to scan rosters everywhere (but Boston) to get a catcher with more experience than Molina if the intention was to send Montero and Romine down to AAA and AA.
    It would have given that catcher time to learn the staff. It was known all along that Romulo Sanchez wouldn’t make the team and he could have been at least part of a deal to get a more experience catcher than Gustavo Molina. Wil Nieves for one would have been an upgrade over Molina.

  93. pat March 28th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Girardi: Mo going to minors…

    Ledger_Yankees … to pitch tomorrow weather permitting.

    :smile:

  94. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
    Jerkface–Can’t he just be pulled back from waivers and traded? I think the answer is yes.

    Depends on the waivers.
    _________
    That’s right, and these are his first waivers so I think he can be recalled.

  95. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    That would involve lots of great years, not just some.

    You can definitely lose out on a lot of great years. A-rod’s best 3 year run came at 24-25-26.

  96. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Atlanta is not NY.

    Outfield is not catching.

  97. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    pat -

    Hardee har har. ;)

  98. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    That’s right, and these are his first waivers so I think he can be recalled.

    And reading up on DFA, they have 10 days to do something and could have traded him before putting him on waivers. If he is on waivers now, I’m not sure how the Yankees can acquire him due to the difference in waiver types.

  99. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    “BTW–Many of the greatest ballplayers had their best seasons before the age 25. Keeping a top prospect down on the farm might mean you lose his best years. ”

    ———–

    wow, do you have a link where Cashman said they plan to keep Montero down in the farm for the next few years, or even all year this season?

    that’s breaking news if true…

  100. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    Joe from Long Island March 28th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
    1. I really don’t think we need to invoke anything like arb considerations for Montero being sent to AAA. Does anyone think a team that spent a-half-a-billion dollars on three guys is trying to save a few sheckels at the expense of winning? Maybe Joe Girardi and Tony Pena – who know a bit more about baseball in general and catching in particular than anyone on this blog – really believed that his career would be best affected by spending more time in AAA, particularly at the start of the season.

    2. GB7 – you should really read Allan Barra’s book on Yogi. It’s a great read, and brings to life that era in baseball.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Thanks for the book suggestion, Joe. I’ll order it tonight. My favorite era that I remember was mid-50s through mid-60s. Too young to remember much before 1955 and missed much of the late 60′s through mid 70s. Love reading the “Golden Age Of NY Baseball” though.

  101. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    Asd March 28th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
    >BTW–Many of the greatest ballplayers had their best seasons before the age 25. Keeping a top prospect down on the farm might mean you lose his best years.

    =====

    I would think you could say the first sentence, or the second sentence, but not defend one with the other, meaning, if Montero’s good years are only in the beginning he wouldn’t become “one of the greatest ballplayers”. That would involve lots of great years, not just some.
    ________________
    Not sure I understand your point…but if you look at great players like Ruth, Mantle and many more, their best years were the ones under 25 or so. They still had good years after that, but not as good.

  102. m March 28th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    Maybe you should be comparing Montero to other catchers, instead of SS and OF.

  103. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    Almost all players have their best years at young ages, its why cost controlled good players in their early 20s are so valuable.

  104. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
    “BTW–Many of the greatest ballplayers had their best seasons before the age 25. Keeping a top prospect down on the farm might mean you lose his best years. ”

    ———–

    wow, do you have a link where Cashman said they plan to keep Montero down in the farm for the next few years, or even all year this season?

    that’s breaking news if true
    _______________
    Did I say he did?

  105. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Joe Mauers best years 23 and 26 :)

  106. blake March 28th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    “Atlanta is not NY.

    Outfield is not catching.”

    true, the point was that it’s about the readiness of the player….not their age.

  107. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    Piazza’s best 3 year stretch 26-28 :)

    The Yankees should want Montero broken in so that he is coming into his own by Age 23. Come into the majors this year, first full year next year, start to break out at age 23 in 2013.

  108. SAS March 28th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    Doreen,

    I like to play…just got in. The dog had some surgery today.

  109. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    blake March 28th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
    “Atlanta is not NY.

    Outfield is not catching.”
    ____________
    Thanks Blakey–those two issues have been confusing me for a while.

    :-)

  110. blake March 28th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    “Thanks Blakey–those two issues have been confusing me for a while.”

    Thank Doreen :)

  111. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    “The Yankees should want Montero broken in so that he is coming into his own by Age 23. Come into the majors this year, first full year next year, start to break out at age 23 in 2013.”

    ————-

    sounds good to me.

  112. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Thanks Doreeny!

  113. tyanksfan36 March 28th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Clearly I should be most upset about Montero being sent down. He is on my fantasy team.

  114. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    blake -

    I know.

    But we who have had no personal dealings with these players are really not in a position to make definite statements about who is ready and who isn’t, and the players that are being cited, well, it’s looking through the rear view mirror.

    We’re talking about a kid who just turned 21? As a catcher who has had to work double time to get to be average behind the dish?

  115. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Anyone else here feel a trade coming up for Max Ramirez?

  116. Erica in NY March 28th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    tyanksfan36 March 28th, 2011 at 7:43 pm
    Clearly I should be most upset about Montero being sent down. He is on my fantasy team.

    ***************

    I bet Patrick would still take him….

    Patrick is a sucker at trading

    (Patrick, please don’t hit me :-) )

  117. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    Max Ramirez isn’t very good defensively, I’m not sure they go after him. But he is better than Gustavo Molina all around.

  118. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Daily News headline to read: “Maxi Brings His Pads to NY”

    Or more likely the Post.

  119. blake March 28th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    I think perhaps the Yankees weren’t sure enough about Montero’s readiness to forgo the extra year of control they could get by sending him down for awhile.

    They don’t normally operate with an eye on the arbitration clock….but if you’re thinking about giving him a little extra time at AAA anyway then it’s a nice cherry on top and could make the decision a little easier.

  120. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    I’m opting out of further Montero readiness discussions. :)

  121. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    IIRC, Maxi threw out 17% of runners…a little better than Molina.

  122. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    “Anyone else here feel a trade coming up for Max Ramirez?”

    ————

    I wouldn’t be opposed to that.

    I imagine the Red Sox are discussing it themselves as well.

  123. Erica in NY March 28th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Okay- I am leaving work

    Since I am literally a run down mess, I am trying not to work past 8 unless I really have to.

    Bye for now!

  124. Betsy March 28th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    BD, I just have no desire to live or even visit Japan – or anywhere in Asia. I’m sure it’s wonderful, but I’m more inclined towards Europe.

    Ah, so Prior does have an opt-out. I hope he doesn’t use it…………

    Good news about Grandy………Chad anything about Di ckerson?

  125. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    But we who have had no personal dealings with these players are really not in a position to make definite statements about who is ready and who isn’t, and the players that are being cited, well, it’s looking through the rear view mirror.

    Good point Doreen, we don’t know how ready any of these players are and neither does the team. They can only guess. Its not until you are put into the crucible and are tested do we find out. Even players with lots of experience and who are ‘ready’ might fail at the major league level.

    But thats why I am for Montero coming up now, because you can see what you got and worst case send him back down.

  126. Betsy March 28th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Romine was never going to make the team – I’m sure he knew that

  127. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    SAS -

    Would you submit a lineup the night before a day game, if it meant you could play?

  128. blake March 28th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    “We’re talking about a kid who just turned 21? As a catcher who has had to work double time to get to be average behind the dish?”

    no argument….my only point was that the reason he’s not with the team is because they likely don’t think he’s quite ready, not because of how old he is.

  129. blake March 28th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    don’t know if this has been posted

    Dodgers, Billingsley Agree To Extension
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [March 28 at 6:06pm CST]

    The Dodgers have agreed to a three-year extension with Chad Billingsley that will pay the right-hander over $30MM, according to Joe McDonnell of FoxSportsWest.com (Twitter link). Anthony Jackson of ESPNLosAngeles reports that the deal would cover the 2012-14 seasons and could include a 2015 option (via Molly Knight on Twitter).

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

  130. pat March 28th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Cliche segment on MLB Network is hysterical.

  131. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    “BD, I just have no desire to live or even visit Japan – or anywhere in Asia. I’m sure it’s wonderful, but I’m more inclined towards Europe.”

    ————

    fair enough. It would make more sense if you had been there but it’s your opinion so it’s fine by me. Europe is nice of course….

    I still don’t think you can blame somebody for taking $800k a year to live in Japan for a year. I’ve heard it’s a great country – would love to visit someday.

    I hope Romulo does well and enjoys it.

  132. Doreen March 28th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    jerkface -

    Ugh – don’t pull me back in.

    It’s a total crapshoot.

    And I don’t know if you want up and down, up and down.

    I have no clue, and I think the Yankees have a better clue (maybe not the best, but better), so I am henceforth resisting any urge to opt back into this discussion. :)

  133. Fran the original March 28th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    I am going to open the GTLU on Wednesday night at 9 pm (not 6).
    *******************
    Doreen,

    Good plan. And if by chance the line-up is posted before Wed. at 9, then we know that Joe is reading the blog and is out to sabotage us :)

  134. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    And I don’t know if you want up and down, up and down

    It works for the Twins according to Randy :)

  135. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    “my only point was that the reason he’s not with the team is because they likely don’t think he’s quite ready, not because of how old he is.”

    —————

    I think Montero is in AAA, not for one reason, but for the combination of several reasons.

    Perhaps if he had done well in ST, those other reasons would have been trumped. But he didn’t, so the Yanks took all of the information they had and decided to send him down for the time being.

    If he’s still down there, tearing it up in AAA, in late May, we should revisit this conversation :)

  136. blake March 28th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    “Cliche segment on MLB Network is hysterical.”

    yea it is…I love Leiter

  137. Fran the original March 28th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Seems like good news on Granderson. Hope is is good to go on Thursday.

    Now let’s hope it doesn’t rain.

  138. blake March 28th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Love Smoltzy too.

  139. tyanksfan36 March 28th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Erica

    I think I’m going to hold onto him. I love hugging my prospects.

  140. BD (Boston Dave) March 28th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Agree Fran.

    The Tigers throw 3 righties to start the season too!!

  141. Fran the original March 28th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    BD,

    It would be nice to see Curtis get off to a fast start :)

  142. Pat M. March 28th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Montero’s time in AAA is going to be predicated on his improvements defensively and they are significant at this time…….Getting down to crunch time for my 30 team over / unders……Show some logic and patience when it comes to Jesus Montero, for when he arrives in The Bronx it’ll be with the intent that he’ll be there for good……That time has yet to arrive

  143. Asd March 28th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    What do we think is going to happen to Tex in the beginning? Slow start as normal or miracle good start?

  144. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    One of Bo Wilson or Jeff Mathis of the Angels will be on the block within the next day or two. They’re trying to make room for Conger and both Mathis and Wilson are out of options.

  145. Betsy March 28th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    I might hold off on starting Granderson considering the fact that the weather is going to be downright nasty

  146. West Coast Yankee Fan March 28th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Doreen I am up early so day games are not an issue for me.

  147. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    I like Mathis as a pick up

  148. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Mathis sucks. One of the worst defensive catchers last year.

  149. SAS March 28th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Doreen,

    I will submit a line up tomorrow night if I can. I just hope I know if Granderson is OK or not.

  150. MTU March 28th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Are the Yankees trying to corner the Market in catching like the Hunt Bros. tried to corner the market in Silver ?

    What’s going on here ?

    Trying to create a Catching monopoly.

    That’s a punishable offense.

    ;)

  151. SAS March 28th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    WYCF,

    You seem to be up all the time.

  152. MTU March 28th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    Or is it, “that punishes offense” ?

    Whatever.

    :)

  153. SAS March 28th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    MTU,

    I haven’t caught you on here in ages. We went to the Apache Trail yesterday. It is magnificent. You drive it on a dirt road. There were a few hikers, but the scenery was magnificent.

  154. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Yanks aren’t trying to uncover the next catching great. Only looking for a tire patch for the spot. Both Mathis and Wilson are better than Cervelli…..now or later.

  155. West Coast Yankee Fan March 28th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    The one bad thing about living on the West Coast MTU. Clients don’t understand the time difference.

  156. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Cervelli is better than Mathis. Now and later. Though I will give Mathis an edge over Molina.

  157. Pat M. March 28th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    Martin does not suck defensively Face……

  158. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    I never said he did, pat M. I said Jeff Mathis sucks defensively. Which is true.

  159. MTU March 28th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    SAS-

    Good to hear from you.

    You mean Ole’ leadfoot took you off road in the Bentley ?

    I’m definitely impressed. I thought he only did freeways at 100.

    Seriously, that sounds like fun. Hope you are well.

    Goin’ back East soon ? Son OK ?

    :)

  160. pat March 28th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    Not sure this answer would fly in NY.

    SPTimesRays #RaysLongoria said AK-47 rifle stolen from spring house was a “personal item,” declined to discuss further.

  161. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Not sure this answer would fly in NY.

    Why? what would a gun be other than a personal item?

  162. MTU March 28th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    WCYF-

    Wherever they are people always seem to be a little too early or a little too late.

    And a dollar short.

    (at least me).

    ;)

  163. m March 28th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    Plaxico probably wishes he wasn’t carrying a similar personal item on that fateful night. :(

  164. SAS March 28th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    MTU,

    Our son is here until tomorrow morning. He’s been terrific. Finger’s crossed.

    We are not leaving until the end of May. We are AZ residents now. We have to be here 6 months, and that would allow us time in the Fall, if necessary. We’ll see just how hot it gets by then.

    25 mph on a dirt road. Spectacular.

  165. SAS March 28th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    MTU.

    I used the Rolls. It held up pretty well..just needs washing.

  166. West Coast Yankee Fan March 28th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    MTU – ditto. Net 30 has become Net 60-90 accompanied by a shrug.

  167. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Plaxico probably wishes he wasn’t carrying a similar personal item on that fateful night.

    I’d like to see him carry a long rifle down his pants :)

  168. MTU March 28th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    SAS-

    Where’s my pictures ?

    Sounds great. Glad you got away from it all. Fills up the soul container doesn’t it.

    I know you must really appreciate it.

    Mrs. MTU and I did a bit of splorin’ ourselves this past Sun.

    Visited old Ft. Pearce and saw some really cool dino tracks.

    The pooches had a blast.

    :)

  169. Pat M. March 28th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    My error….Mathis doesn’t suck either….He was never right last season after breaking his wrist, but as a backup catcher he’d been more than fine

  170. MTU March 28th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    JF-

    Plaxico always carries a big rifle down his pants.

    ;)

  171. m March 28th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Mathis would be subtraction by addition. He only hit Yankee pitching. :mad:

  172. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Mathis doesn’t suck either

    Beg to differ, career under .200 hitter, throws out less than 25% of runners, always has copious amounts of passed balls and wild pitches.

  173. MTU March 28th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Is there any truth to the rumor that if your Karma has turned bad temporarily 3 bad things will happen to you ?

  174. SAS March 28th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    MTU,

    We don’t think our dog has long for this world. Doggy Heaven seems to be calling. Not right this minute but………………..

  175. MTU March 28th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    SAS-

    I am very sorry to hear that. Can’t imagine bein’ w/o mine.

    :(

  176. Jerkface March 28th, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Perhaps Mathis does things that cannot be observed to help a team win, but I doubt it.

    here is a good article on his shortcomings: http://www.thehaloislit.com/20.....n-life.php

  177. Bronx Jeers March 28th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Plaxico always carries a big rifle down his pants.

    ——————————————————————–

    This is my rifle, this is my gun
    This is for fightin, this is for fun

    http://media.photobucket.com/i.....jacket.jpg

  178. SAS March 28th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    MTU.

    Me too. However, she is 12 1/2, and we think has cancer. That’s what the surgery was about today. We’ll see.

  179. SAS March 28th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    :arrow: New post

  180. MTU March 28th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    It must be true because 3 lousy things just happened.

    1st the fridge broke w. H2O all over the floor.

    Then one of dogs was sick and needed to see the Vet.

    And finally, I was taking the ATV out today to do some routine maintenance and the radiator gave way. In for a big repair.

    Now that I have paid my debt in time and money things will turn around.

    Right ?

  181. MTU March 28th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    SAS-

    Your Son beat the odds maybe your dog will too.

    ;)

  182. BoJo March 28th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    m March 28th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
    Plaxico probably wishes he wasn’t carrying a similar personal item on that fateful night.
    _____________
    And all this time, I thought he was just happy to see me.

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