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No more decisions just yet

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 29, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Nothing new to announce about the Yankees roster.

Neither Steve Garrison nor Luis Ayala will break camp with the team, but if the Yankees can’t find a replacement for Pedro Feliciano, one of those two will come up on Wednesday night.

Curtis Granderson and Chris Dickerson are both playing at the minor league complex the next two days. Dickerson’s assignment depends on Granderson’s health.

Gustavo Molina will go north with the team, but he won’t be added to the roster just yet.

 
 

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53 Responses to “No more decisions just yet”

  1. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    And Sanchez has not been traded?

  2. Patrick March 29th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    And Sanchez has not been traded?

    They sold him to Japan

  3. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Patrick

    For real? For someone like him that would usually make a lot of sense. Right now, I would have second thoughts if I were him.

  4. Crawdaddy March 29th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    A good article in USA Today about the Yankees with Paul White giving Chad some credit for the article.

  5. m March 29th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Rich,

    I almost put “behind the plate”. But I was really tired if writing that.

    The kids have not surpassed Cervelli defensively. I don’t understand why people can’t accept that they’re just not quite ready.

    People can read and twist Girardi, Cashman, and other commenter’s words. But Montero isn’t quite ready. And the funny part is he knows that and accepts it for what it really is.

  6. Patrick March 29th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Rich,

    Yeah for real, nothing official yet though.

  7. LGY March 29th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Cervelli was one of the worst defensive catchers in baseball last season.

    I don’t believe his true talent is as bad as he was last year, but we really don’t know what Cervelli is as a defensive catcher at this point.

  8. Crawdaddy March 29th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    “You made it sound as if Mick played a full regular season, and then was sent down, which is not the case.”

    Big Al,

    Shoot me for poorly stating what happened to Mick, but it doesn’t change my point that fans shouldn’t be concern when a young player is sent down for further seasoning or to get him to a better place playing-wise.

  9. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    m

    OK, my bad.

    Again, I’m really out of the Montero discussion. I accept it and have moved on.

    I’ll only revisit it IF the catching situation is suboptimal as July approaches.

  10. Irreverent Discourse March 29th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    LGY – What we do know is that the yankees as a team can be successful with Cervelli as the backup, as proven by the last 2 seasons. Regardless of what you think his defensive level is, he is not costing the Yankees games. Montero and Romine are worse than that…

  11. Against All Odds March 29th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    # Rich in NJ March 29th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    “I took “hot on Cervelli” to mean that they knew he was the one they were taking north. I think ID probably meant it that way. I agree that they were not ready to bring either Montero or Romine up just yet.”

    I think they set the bat too high for Montero, and as blake pointed out, that set him up to be labeled as a failure.

    ————————————————

    It’s something they have a habit of doing

  12. LGY March 29th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    I was going to opt out of the Montero discussion as well today, but I couldn’t resist responding to stuckey :(

  13. stuckey99 March 29th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    “They should have been prepared for a 21 year old to struggle and have ups and downs.”

    I’ll ask again. Isn’t it possible the nature of his struggles concerned them and perhaps was something they weren’t expecting?

    My working theory is the Yankees judged him perhaps mentally unprepared to assume the role they wanted him to assume, and they feel this experience will be a learning one he can grow from.

  14. LGY March 29th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    I don’t know if Montero/Romine are better than Cervelli defensively, but considering how bad Cervelli was last season I would definitely say his poor play cost the Yankees games.

  15. Patrick March 29th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    I’ll only revisit it IF the catching situation is suboptimal as July approaches.

    If Martin hits like he did last year and the year before we both know that conversation will take place a lot sooner than July :)

  16. Irreverent Discourse March 29th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    The only bar that was “raised too high” was by the fans who thought 30 days of spring training would turn montero from a pumpkin into a catcher.

    The media perception only reflects this sentiment. It is only read and “worried about” by fans also reflecting this sentiment. The yankees don’t care what Sherman thinks of Montero, his talent or how they have handled him.

  17. austinmac March 29th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Not adding Molina to the roster sure makes it look as the Yankees are checking to see who may become available. I can’t imagine much will be available, but we shall see. Who would have thought the Yankees would be checking the waiver wire for a catcher? Baseball, like life, is unpredictable.

  18. 108 stitches March 29th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    “Gustavo Molina will go north with the team, but he won’t be added to the roster just yet.”

    This can be interpreted that Cashman is actively searching for another catcher until Cervelli is rehabbed and ready to return.

  19. m March 29th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Well, the fact that we’re all waiting on Cervelli should tell you something about the readiness of the kids. I mean it should be obvious.

  20. Doreen March 29th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Joel Sherman when Cervelli first went down. Girardi said Montero was in the mix with Romine and Molina. So Molina was always in the mix, number one.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....knrJyVwIpN

    Number two, at the time Cervelli went down, they were still taking it easy with Martin, as I recall. So, it could be that back then, they may have been thinking the BUC would play more. As Martin as shown he’s healthy and can play everyday, the requirements for the BUC change alot.

  21. Bronx Jeers March 29th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Photoshop fun from the It Is High blog.

    http://i55.photobucket.com/alb.....llwood.jpg

  22. Irreverent Discourse March 29th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    LGY – Games that meant what? The team made the playoffs. Did he cost them a playoff game some how against Texas? Was is Cervelli that was up there not hitting at all for that series?

    Obviously the pitching staff likes throwing to him or he would have been gone by now… does that not also count in favor of his role?

    His defense never even crosses my mind when he is playing. Overthinking the contribution/detriment a little bit I think?

  23. Pat M. March 29th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    108 stitches…..Cashman is waiting on who pops up on the waiver wires

  24. Irreverent Discourse March 29th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    “Gustavo Molina will go north with the team, but he won’t be added to the roster just yet.”

    I interpret this as they don’t want to make a roster move until they have to.

    He won’t be put on the roster until just before Thursday’s game. If he gets hurt between now and then you wasted taking another player off of the roster.

  25. stuckey99 March 29th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    “I don’t know if Montero/Romine are better than Cervelli defensively, but considering how bad Cervelli was last season I would definitely say his poor play cost the Yankees games.”

    Which in my mind just lends support to the theory Montero had the job to lose. Cervelli’s offensive limitation are well-known. If the Yankees know what you know about his defense last year, then doesn’t it make sense they were looking for another option?

    K.I.S.S… Occam’s Razor, or whatever term you prefer.

    That Montero was seen as the back-up going into spring training, and lost hold of the job during spring training, is the most simple, straight-forward explanation for why things transpired they way they did.

  26. BeholdArNo March 29th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    I have no problem with Cashman and/or Girardi lying to keep the Yankees strategy from the public.

    I do have a problem with Cashman when he discredits Girardi i.e. Girardi says one thing and Cashman comes out to the media for no reason and contradicts what Girardi said.

  27. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    “The only bar that was ‘raised too high’ was by the fans who thought 30 days of spring training would turn montero from a pumpkin into a catcher.

    The media perception only reflects this sentiment. It is only read and ‘worried about’ by fans also reflecting this sentiment. The yankees don’t care what Sherman thinks of Montero, his talent or how they have handled him.”

    Wow ID, I have to go with you on this. Whether Montero came as a pumpkin or just not completed enough, I do agree that fans’ desires for Montero to come up is what led that parade, not a few comments by Joe Girardi. Those same fans may have run with Girardi’s comments because they were already on the Montero bandwagon, but nothing Girardi said caused the entire populace of Yankee fans to believe Montero was the pick. Witness all of the people on this forum alone who didn’t think Montero would be coming north, from day one.

    I also agree with the silliness of paying attention to what the media put out. I doubt Montero is, and I’m sure the Yankees aren’t. The kid has more savvy and common sense than all of the people fretting about what has been said. Read his comments and then try to center yourselves, those of you who may be off kilter about this.

    He is going to do what he needs to do to get back here. While fans have nothing but time to spin out of control and get all agog about nothing, the players themselves are busy having meaning conversations with the experts about what they need to do to get their game right. And they are concentrating on that and nothing else, believe it.

  28. LGY March 29th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    ID,

    Why do you jump from conversation to conversation so much? It makes it impossible to respond, because you just keep moving the goalposts.

    Among catchers, Cervelli had the 2nd most errors and only caught 14% of baserunners last season.

    His poor defense was a huge topic of conversation throughout the season.

  29. BIG AL March 29th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    trisha -

    Put me down for 98 wins.

  30. BBFan March 29th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Trisha,

    97 wins.

  31. austinmac March 29th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Irreverent,

    You may be right about the reasoning behind Molina not being added yet. I sure hate to see a guy who hits like a pitcher, to be in the lineup, but such is the situation, and I don’t see it changing until Cervelli is ready.

  32. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    meaning = meaningful

  33. Irreverent Discourse March 29th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    LGY – because i’m still bitter you all ruined the “threads”. :)

    Regardless of what his defensive ranks were, I don’t recall anything cervelli did last year causing the yankees to lose in the ALCS (can’t actually recall him causing them to lose a single game last year). I don’t recall anything he did causing the team to miss the playoffs. All I recall is that he answered the call when it was necessary, went out and caught games even though he’s not the best catcher in the world.

    Obviously he’s good enough of a backup if the 2 catchers that employ him think he is. no?

    Maybe, just maybe there’s more to it than CS%’s and errors?

  34. BIG AL March 29th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Crawdaddy -

    I agree with your point, it should not be surprising to see our young prospects moved up and down, until they show they belong here full time.

    There is no need to rush Montero, or others. They are very young, and need time to develop. I just wish they had thought long and hard about Joba, and sent him back down to get himself both physically and mentally ready to be in the majors full time.

  35. m March 29th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Pulling up stats is great. But from which team would you like to pluck a BUC or starter if you want to aim high?

    Or should we just ride out Cervelli until Montero develops more? Since most of you seem to think he could do it NOW, the wait shouldn’t be too long.

  36. Bronx Jeers March 29th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Gardner’s leading off Thursday against Verlander.

    That’ll shave about 200 comments off this site.

  37. Bronx Jeers March 29th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    And Manny officially wins the Dawson award.

    Congrats to him.

  38. stuckey99 March 29th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    “That’ll shave about 200 comments off this site.

    No it won’t. 197 or so will be posted by LGY, Jerkface and Rich in N.J. reminding me I got it wrong… :-)

    Which is their right.

  39. stuckey99 March 29th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Oh, and Nick will get a “101″ thing in there too.

  40. BIG AL March 29th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Bengie Molina is still a free agent, why not use him as a BUC.

    He’d make a good insurance policy when Martin goes down.

  41. Patrick March 29th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    trisha if you’re still around, 100 wins for me :)

  42. austinmac March 29th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Gardner should be leading off. He needs to see a lot of pitches and help get Verlander’s pitch count up.

  43. Nick in SF March 29th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    “That Montero was seen as the back-up going into spring training, and lost hold of the job during spring training, is the most simple, straight-forward explanation for why things transpired they way they did.”

    You’re reaching and drawing a bad conclusion. Lots of fans do this, so its not surprising.

    It is at least equally simple and straightforward to suggest that Cervelli was seen as the back-up, or was at least the front-runner, until his injury.

  44. jacksquat March 29th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    SJ44 March 29th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    As far as his [Montero's] bat is concerned, I would rather have him with the big club when he is swingin’ it well.

    He did not swing the bat well in ST.

    It’s amazing how much flip flopping there is here when it comes to whether spring training performance matters or not.

    Montero’s hitting in this spring training should have been completely meaningless. He has already mashed AAA pitching and has nothing left to prove there with the bat. So what you are really saying is that he has to prove he can hit in spring training before joining the team for the regular season.

    I can’t believe Girardi even mentioned it. He was right earlier when he said “I know he can hit”.

    And I don’t know about Girardi as a catcher evaluator, considering when he played he ranked in the top 3 for errors committed by a catcher 4 times, top 5 for passed balls 4 times, and his career CS% is a pedestrian 32%.

  45. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Many Banuelos wins James P. Dawson Award as top rookie in camp.

    http://bombersbeat.mlblogs.com.....ng-rookie/

  46. LGY March 29th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    “Obviously he’s good enough of a backup if the 2 catchers that employ him think he is. no?

    Maybe, just maybe there’s more to it than CS%’s and errors?”

    ———————–

    Because the alternative is Gustavo Molina :mad:

    Cervelli could be a really good BUC if he got his defense back to an acceptable level. I have always like Cervelli as a BUC, but last year he was really bad, and I don’t think there should be a problem recognizing that.

  47. Irreverent Discourse March 29th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Bengie Molina batted .249/.297/.326 last year… I’m sure that would go over well around here.

    For that kind of production I think the fake Molina will be just fine for a month until Cervelli gets back.

    Again, we are talking about 1 or 2 games a week… Martin has shown nothing but health and he is not actually “injury prone” as we discovered yesterday.

  48. BIG AL March 29th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    jacksquat -

    Posada’s career CS % is 28%, so Girardi at 32 % CS is better than that of his successor.

  49. Irreverent Discourse March 29th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    LGY – Cervelli also got exposed way more than he should have for the last 2 seasons. He’s obviously not a starter, but he was playing as much as most of them in the league.

    In a true BUC role (which the yankees have not employed for a few years now) the exposure is minimum, as is its effect on the season.

  50. Bronx Jeers March 29th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    All pro-Cervelli statements coming from SF need to be prefaced with the following;

    As founder and president of PFOF…

  51. SJ44 March 29th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    He “mashed” AAA pitching for half a season. He was awful the first half. That’s often missed when discussing his bat.

    His ST AB’s were important in the sense that if his defense waned, which it did, swinging the bat well right now would have given them more of a reason to think about keeping him with the big club to start the season.

    However, the combo of him not swinging it well right now and his slippage defensively made the decision easy for the Yankees to start him in AAA.

  52. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 29th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Patrick – got it. :)

    I will post the udpated chart in a while.

    ****************

    I don’t have to be around for you to be added to the chart, but just be sure you put my name in the post where you give your prediction. I will check later to see if there are additional predictions and the easiest way for me to do it is to do a search using my name.

  53. MG March 29th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    How in Montero supposed to start swinging the bat well after not swinging it well in the spring while sitting on the bench at least 5 days a week and maybe 6? This isn’t a video game, you don’t improve because your fingers get more nimble.

    Batting practice and hitting drills can never replace live pitching in game situations, he’s far better off playing every day at AAA, against good pitching, until he starts tearing the cover off the ball. It might take a month or two but what difference does it make for a 21 year old with his whole career in front of him?


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