Off day notes and links: Teixiera starts strong
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Apr 01, 2011 
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“Last year was awful. It was embarrassing.”
Those are Mark Teixeira’s words after yesterday’s Opening Day home run. It seemed that Teixeira dismissed his slow start last season, saying he always trusted that he would eventually live up to the numbers on the back of his baseball card. This winter, though, Teixiera put extra time and effort into his swing, taking more hacks than usual.
“Sometimes your swing is the last thing you think about,” he said.
Teixiera thought about his swing this winter, and he went to work keeping it in shape hoping to avoid last year’s slow start. He had a terrific spring training, then hit a massive three run home run in the opener.
Today Joe Posnanski posted his prediction of the top 32 players in baseball this season. He has Teixiera barely on the list, coming in at No. 32. It’s probably about right considering last year’s numbers, but there’s certainly the potential for more this year.
“I have a suspicion that this year he will have a massive season,” Posnanski wrote.
Here’s Teixeira after yesterday’s game.
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• FanGraphs put the Yankees at the top of their organizational rankings.
• Cool post over at The Yankee Analysts detailing how and when each member of the Yankees Opening Day roster came to the franchise.
• He didn’t have much impact with the Yankees, and now Randy Winn has decided to retire. One of the most polite players I’ve ever met.
• After he was released from Yankees camp, infielder Ronnie Belliard signed a minor league deal with the Phillies.
• Ian Kennedy got the Opening Day start for the Diamondbacks this afternoon.
• Some other familiar faces winning jobs in new places: Mark Melancon made the Astros bullpen, Sergio Mitre will be in the Brewers pen, Lance Berkman really did open as the Cardinals right fielder, Juan Miranda started at first base for the Diamondbacks, Shelley Duncan made the Indians bench, Dustin Moseley is in the Padres rotation, Ross Ohledorf is the No. 3 starter for the Pirates, Jeff Karstens and Jose Veras are both in the Pirates bullpen, and Jose Tabata is the Pirates starting left fielder.
Associated Press photo
Equally good article from The Yankee Analysts re: Gardner’s bunting: http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/.....anza-27928
Talks about what bunting can mean for Gardner and more importantly when he decides to bunt.
Thanks for the links, Chad. But where’s the one comparing Gardner and Ellsbury?
What a picture. Swisher has added such a positive atmosphere and special feeling to these last 3 Yankees teams. They’re like brothers instead of just teammates and you can see it in their faces.
Makes you feel really good and proud as a fan.
Who was on the 405 today?
TylerKepner Stuck in traffic today on the 405, I saw a car with a California plate: C YA N OCT. Yes, it had a Yankees’ frame. NYY fans are everywhere.
Gardner 2010: 5.4 WAR
Ellsbury 2009 : 2.7 WAR
not a perfect stat….but both players are good and contribute to their teams, just in different ways. Gardner was one of the best defensive outfielders in baseball last year. If he can play that level of defense again and get on base 38 % of the time again then he’s going to be of great value to the Yankees….he doesn’t necessarily have to be a better player than Ellsbury individually to contribute as much or more to his team winning games…..that’s all that matters.
Thanks people, that was entertaining. Good stuff both sides. A few insults, some snark.
Good stuff around . Everyone can walk away, muttering “Told him, eh.”
You need two to argue or in this case “One and fourty two”
Borgata 4/18…4/19 …kind of a little excited but I hate the drive home
I think I shall stay up for at least a couple innings of Felix mowing down the A’s.
http://oneifbylandsports.blogs.....balls.html
Repost
Even includes video evidence
pat April 1st, 2011 at 9:53 pm
Who was on the 405 today?
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as a former los angeleno i am very very happy to say i havent been on the 405 in about 10 years…
all I know is that on Offense Ellsbury is the better player…On Defense Gardner is a little better….
Of course the Red Sox were so confident in Ellsbury that they brought in 38 year old Mike Cameron to play center and moved Ellsbury to left
Ellsbury is a better pure hitter…not sure he’s better at any other aspect of the game though.
gardner is the better player unless they trade him straight-up for ellsbury, in which case ellsbury would be the better player…
LGY….Cb, yourself and even Face have opened my eyes to the new world of stats which I’m beginning to embrace somewhat….However, explain to me how an outfielder who has made 2 errors in over 800 chances carries a lower war than another outfielder who has made 3 errors in 570 or so chances ???? Face, aren’t you the guy who ragged on Curtis Granderson’s outfield play when he arrived in the Bronx ????
Of course, in talking about Ellsbury and Gardner, I would rather have a healthy Grady Sizemore over either of them.
Gardner has demonstrated he can be above average offensively in this league demonstrated by his OPS+ last season, a great base stealer, and elite OF.
Ellsbury has shown he is an excellent base stealer. Never has been above average offensesivly and is at best a below average OF.
MLB.Com……has their player rankings it’s for offense…OF, Ellsbury #19 & Gardner #40…..
Just thought I’d stir the pot a little more.
Tons of trash being thrown all the field by Jays fans all game long. What wrong with those Canadiens.
“BoJo April 1st, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Of course, in talking about Ellsbury and Gardner, I would rather have a healthy Grady Sizemore over either of them.”
no such thing…
Who plays CF again for the Yankees?
Jerkface April 1st, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Of course the Red Sox were so confident in Ellsbury that they brought in 38 year old Mike Cameron to play center and moved Ellsbury to left
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you know thats not the reason why they brought MC in
Ys Guy April 1st, 2011 at 10:05 pm
“BoJo April 1st, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Of course, in talking about Ellsbury and Gardner, I would rather have a healthy Grady Sizemore over either of them.”
no such thing
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I know…a healthy Grady Sizemore is an April Fool’s joke.
Face, aren’t you the guy who ragged on Curtis Granderson’s outfield play when he arrived in the Bronx
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I did not rag on him, only said that Gardner is better and I wanted Granderson. They can both be good and one can be better than the other. The Tigers were worried about his defense the last 2 years he was on the team and that was part of the reason they traded him. He has been very good defensively for the Yankees, better than he was down the stretch for the tigers (seriously if you followed the AL central battle with the twins, Granderson did some very strange things in the outfield). Such that I don’t really care about it anymore.
But that doesn’t change the fact that he was struggling defensively at the time and that Gardner could be better in center than Granderson.
And Pat, seriously, how do you not realize errors don’t make outfielders? Its like really basic, given the rules of the game and how errors are awarded.
Gardner’s WAR is better because he gets to and catches more balls.
Pat
Gardner gets to significantly more baseballs than Ells and has the better arm
you know thats not the reason why they brought MC in
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So it was just a by product that Ellsbury was moved to the smallest LF in the league?
“Tons of trash being thrown all the field by Jays fans all game long. What wrong with those Canadiens.”
They are not Yankees fans.
*Wanted Granderson in left field.
I admittedly don’t know exactly how WAR is calculated but I do know that the newer stats that attempt to quantify range are big factors in it…..those stats love Gardner. Range and throwing ability really is everything for an outfielder because even Manny Ramierez can catch a routine fly ball and toss it to the cut off man.
Basically it’s hard to compare the two offensively until Gardner puts in a healthy full season. Optimally Yankee stadium really needs two CFs due to it’s huge LF. Full credit to the Yankees that they realised Gardner’s value and didn’t go for the Big Bopper like a Dunn, the walking pylon.
BTW–Grady Sizemore–another player with his best years before 25…just saying.
You know if Crawford played LF, they could hide Ellsbury’s glove in LF.
Range and throwing ability really is everything for an outfielder because even Manny Ramierez can catch a routine fly ball and toss it to the cut off man.
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Yes. This. I am glad someone understands the components of outfield defense.
Its why “Well he can catch everything hit to him” is not a compliment for a player in the outfield.
# Jerkface April 1st, 2011 at 10:07 pm
you know thats not the reason why they brought MC in
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So it was just a by product that Ellsbury was moved to the smallest LF in the league?
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it was easier to find a CF than a LF & Ellsbury had some experience playing there (LF) no other reason
That would be quite a trick. If they played Crawford in CF, they could hide Ellsbury’s glove in LF..
What makes a great outfielder are the catches they make on stuff not hit to them. See: Granderson’s great catch for Mo and Gardner’s WS dive into the wall to rob Werth
Crawford should be in CF.
Face….Until that error cost you a ballgame
it was easier to find a CF than a LF & Ellsbury had some experience playing there (LF) no other reason
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So you’re saying that Cameron couldn’t handle patrolling the postage stamp in fenway? That is the reason they put a player that should be better defensively than a 38 year old mike cameron in said postage stamp? Because Cameron couldn’t shift over?
Ok, I have a bridge to sell you.
# blake April 1st, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Crawford should be in CF.
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nope
Until that error cost you a ballgame
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Until ellsbury misses a ball over his head and the runs come around to score. This line of argument is just not good, Pat.
I have a very strong recollection of the reasons Theo brought in MC last year, and they had to do with improving the defense in CF as he fell in love with the Mariners focus on defense. Theo didn’t think highly of Ells in CF and wanted an upgrade. Of course, if they had been able to keep Bay, he might not have shifted focus to defense…but he did.
yup, he doesn’t like to play there or he would be.
Agree, Crawford should absolutely be playing CF.
However, as far as Gardner is concerned, he is a very good defensive LFer. However, Granderson is a superior CFer to Gardner.
Everyone but Crawford and joeman thinks that Crawford should be in CF.
And I’ll take the 12 more assists to go with the occasional throwing error.
Re: The Posnanski Article.
I can’t take any list of “Top 32 Players in Baseball” seriously that doesn’t include Mariano and chooses a not-in-contract-year Adrian Beltre over a healthy Alex Rodriguez.
i forgot sizemore was part of that bartolo colon trade with the expos. was that another omar gem?
Cahill’s sinker is very heavy.
# Jerkface April 1st, 2011 at 10:12 pm
it was easier to find a CF than a LF & Ellsbury had some experience playing there (LF) no other reason
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So you’re saying that Cameron couldn’t handle patrolling the postage stamp in fenway? That is the reason they put a player that should be better defensively than a 38 year old mike cameron in said postage stamp? Because Cameron couldn’t shift over?
Ok, I have a bridge to sell you.
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I’m into buying real estate at this time what do you have
“i forgot sizemore was part of that bartolo colon trade with the expos. was that another omar gem?”
Along with Cliff Lee
m April 1st, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Everyone but Crawford and joeman thinks that Crawford should be in CF.
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and at this time the manager of the RS
yankeefeminista April 1st, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Agree, Crawford should absolutely be playing CF.
However, as far as Gardner is concerned, he is a very good defensive LFer. However, Granderson is a superior CFer to Gardner.
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I’m not sure I would agree. Hard to say, but I like BG in CF a lot. I’d like to see af foot race to see who covers more ground…
But as hard as it may be to prove one way or another, it doesn’t matter. We are lucky to have them both…
I will admit that I would have preferred Josh Hamilton proir to last year when there was talk of his availability. I would have much preferred Hamilton in LF and BG in CF.
I’m pretty much sure that Crawford made it clear before he signed that he wouldn’t play CF. Sorry, no link available.
“i forgot sizemore was part of that bartolo colon trade with the expos. was that another omar gem?”
Along with Cliff Lee
…and brandon phillips…. OUCH (no offense Bart!)
Woah, here we go again, Gardner vs Granderson. Even better discussion. Gardner is much faster so theory says that should give him more range and he does. Granderson has style points, can’t argue that. But then Grandy had to dive to make up for the two step shuffle.
To quote Billy Martin “I have Strong feelings both ways”.
Yeah, but Joeman, I’m sure francona has made a career of making irrational changes after 1 regular season game so he’ll decide crawford belongs in CF too.
Granderson is pretty darn good in CF…as someone else mentioned you really need 2 CF’ers in YS ideally because LF is so big….so either way their outfield defense is great.
I actually love seeing Crawford in LF for Boston. It will absolutely kill his WAR value….and make that contract ook really stupid.
Who gets a better jump on the ball, Granderson or Gardy?
# Carlo April 1st, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Yeah, but Joeman, I’m sure francona has made a career of making irrational changes after 1 regular season game so he’ll decide crawford belongs in CF too.
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thinking about it right now..I’LL bet
i could see beltran in pinstripes for the pennant race if andruw jones doesnt cut it…
RMS April 1st, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Who gets a better jump on the ball, Granderson or Gardy?
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Granderson, not even close.
Bojo – there are a lot of WAR abnormalities……there are also a lot of intelligent baseball minds who play the game and make decisions that disagree with WAR all the time……thus, why is WAR the definition of a smart or stupid baseball decision?
Son if I wanted to go to a picnic I would have stayed home with my wife and kids
Crawford isn’t going to play CF, he never has because he doesn’t like it for whatever reason. The point was that with his speed, athletic ability, and instincts….that he should be in CF because that’s where he’d be most valuable.
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Willingham just took Felix deep…2-0 A’s
“you really need 2 CF’ers in YS ideally because LF is so big”
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melky and damon? LOL!
Can’t we just agree that Granderson is the best OF on either team?
Don Mattingly.: “A-Rod texted me to congratulate me on the win, we always got along but it surprised me.” #Dodgers #MLB #Yankees
so if all these stats mean so much how did the Giants win the WS last year?
Show me the advanced stats that could have predicted a team that was below average defensively, had very little offense, had a rotation that was headed by a guy who was lit up the entire month of August, and finished poorly in the regular season beat the Phillies, a team that was the best team in baseball the last two months of the season and had the games’ best pitcher as the #1.
The Phils top two pitchers had a total WAR that was 7 higher than the Giants top two, how do you explain that other than the old adage, ‘you can’t predict baseball’?
Josh Willingham , definitely better than James Loney
Hideki in his first official at-bat as an A. Bases empty after Willingham took Felix to the woodshed.
“melky and damon? LOL!”
hey damon used to play CF
Red Sox and Rays lost, and Carl Pavano got his ass kicked.
Good day.
Ys Guy April 1st, 2011 at 10:24 pm
i could see beltran in pinstripes for the pennant race if andruw jones doesnt cut it…
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I was saying that since December…would be a great pickup
# Ys Guy April 1st, 2011 at 10:24 pm
i could see beltran in pinstripes for the pennant race if andruw jones doesnt cut it…
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I could see Chris Carpenter in the pinstripes this summer
Watching Ellsbury in the field reminds me a declining Damon, Kind of a scary thought (sorry Erica
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No comment on his offense.
I really want to see Brett get aggressive in the zone. Do things like go hard after that first pitch once in awhile. If he becomes too predictable, he will not last. I did like what I saw on his bunt attempts.
Defensively I take BG over Ellsbury without a second thought.
Granderson, not even close.
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Is that why he had to dive on the first inning line drive, after he took two steps in the wrong direction?
My dream is the Yankees package some of those arms for top RF. A Bruce type or even Rasmus. Love that Seattle OF defense.
Tar April 1st, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Watching Ellsbury in the field reminds me a declining Damon,
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that’s not even fair
Carlo April 1st, 2011 at 10:26 pm
Bojo – there are a lot of WAR abnormalities……there are also a lot of intelligent baseball minds who play the game and make decisions that disagree with WAR all the time……thus, why is WAR the definition of a smart or stupid baseball decision?
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Carlo–the point is that one of Crawford’s valuable assets is his range in LF, but playing in Fenway cuts that advantage down significantly because it is so small that even Jason Bay seemed okay in it.
With the decreased value of his range, he needs to contribute more on offense to justify his contract. Personally, I think he just had a career year, UNLESS he learns to hit off the green monster like Boggs and Lynn used to do.
Eroc April 1st, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Can’t we just agree that Granderson is the best OF on either team?
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No, Crawford is the best OF.
so if all these stats mean so much how did the Giants win the WS last year?
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By hitting the ball and having an amazing pitching staff. By the end of the season they had an above average offense and they had great pitching.
Once you get into a short series it all goes out the window. Any 1 player can hit a HR in a short series, any pitcher can spin a gem in 1 game. The point is to put yourself in the best position. No one is going to predict who wins the WS every year.
Bo knows April 1st, 2011 at 10:29 pm
My dream is the Yankees package some of those arms for top RF. A Bruce type or even Rasmus. Love that Seattle OF defense.
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There is only one RF I want to acquire…Bryce Harper.
Also speak of the devil, Jeff Mathis had a throwing error like 20 minutes ago.
No, Crawford is the best OF.
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True, dat.
Again, the best OFer would be a healthy Grady Sizemore…Josh Hamilton would be in the discussion too.
Granderson is pretty good, but I see him hesitate a lot on balls, and then have to make it up with his speed. I’m not sure who said he gets the best jumps, but that is not what my impression has been. I think BG gets good jumps…Ells gets popor jumps…
Jerkface April 1st, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Granderson, not even close.
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Is that why he had to dive on the first inning line drive, after he took two steps in the wrong direction?
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We have already had this discussion multiple times. Granderson gets a better jump, has better reads and goes back better on the ball. Gardner has more speed. Both very good, Granderson covers CF better.
Minus Hernandez I think the Mariners might be the worst team in baseball….they just have dud after dud in that lineup after Ichiro….bring up Ackley, why the heck not….I’m sure the Arbitration clock.
I meant as a player, not exclusively as a defender.
Crawford is an elite defender, his skills are wasted in LF though.
Bojo – he isn’t living up to his contract regardless. That’s for sure.
career-wise the best OF on the 2 teams is andruw jones.
I think Granderson 2.0 is better than Crawford.
Watching Derek on Yanks Magazine show.
Very bizarre seeing him talking about himself in terms of having a chink in the armor. He’ll probably get 3 hits tomorrow.
Jerkface April 1st, 2011 at 10:32 pm
so if all these stats mean so much how did the Giants win the WS last year?
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By hitting the ball and having an amazing pitching staff. By the end of the season they had an above average offense and they had great pitching.
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they scored 106 runs in their last 29 games, you consider that above average offense? Is that based on any advanced statistic that you seem to be able to pull out whenever it suits your position?
I love Joe Pos, but A-Rod in a tie for 27th? Nyet, I say.
Crawford is probably the best defensive OFer of the group we are discussing (SOx and Yankees only), but he is being wasted in LF at Fenway, and offensively, he doesn’t hold a stick to Grandy IMO…especially for the money.
If I had to pick two of them to play for Yankees and was considering money, it would be Grandy and BG. If money was no object, it would be Grandy and CC–but not by mcuh over BG.
Ys Guy, Andruw Jones in his prime, of course, put everyone else to shame.
So when Ellsbury was in left field it reflected upon his war rating??? But when he’s playing center in Fenway it’ll be higher ??? Your condescending nature is interesting Face for a guy who is a banjo hitter
one of the boys where I work knows that I am a Yankees fan, my director told me the first thing he asked her in the morning was “i wonder if she(me) saw Mark teixeira hit that 3 run home run yesterday” how cute.
they scored 106 runs in their last 29 games, you consider that above average offense? Is that based on any advanced statistic that you seem to be able to pull out whenever it suits your position?
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By the playoffs they had: Buster Posey catching, Andres Torres in CF, and Cody Ross in RF. To go along with the above average bats of Huff and Burrell. And the league average group of Sanchez, Uribe, and Sandoval.
Your condescending nature is interesting Face for a guy who is a banjo hitter
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You guys start it by condescending to those you perceive as being outside of the game, younger, or whatever. Its like war, atrocities on both sides, please don’t point fingers when yours is equally dirty.
There is only one RF I want to acquire…Bryce Harper.
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Now that would be from “your mouth to God’s ear”
That’s a franchise player already. There is no package that would pay for his value. And by the time he becomes a free agent the other two would be old men.
Besides I’m a long time Montreal fan. Still miss that organization.
Hate Gary Carter to this day. That bad call on Monday’s homer.
Called for a fastball and set the target in the middle of the plate. Monday hammered it foul by inches. Called exactly the same pitch and target.
Poor Felix, gave up 2 runs in the first inning and the game is likely over……
Healthy Ellsbury > Healthy Gardner
I think the Yankees love having a great defensive team, which is ironic. A year ago, all the buzz was about the turnaround in Seattle due to the focus on defense. Theo made a big deal of it with signing Beltre and MC…others talked it up…
But today, the Yankees can field a team with a GG winner at every position except CF and RF..(Chavez and Jones). And the team has quietly moved to be one of the best defensive teams in baseball, with an emphasis on defense when looking at acquisitions.
Even the 40 man roster fellows are defensive studs (Golson, Pena, Maxwell, Dickerson).
So when Ellsbury was in left field it reflected upon his war rating??? But when he’s playing center in Fenway it’ll be higher ???
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WAR does include positional adjustments, but it would only be higher if he actually fielded better. In 2009 he played the entire year in CF, so there was no LF component in his WAR. The reason it was low is because he is not a good defender.
BoJo April 1st, 2011 at 10:36 pm
Again, the best OFer would be a healthy Grady Sizemore…Josh Hamilton would be in the discussion too.
Granderson is pretty good, but I see him hesitate a lot on balls, and then have to make it up with his speed. I’m not sure who said he gets the best jumps, but that is not what my impression has been. I think BG gets good jumps…Ells gets popor jumps…
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Granderson will somtimes stutter-step coming in for the ball, but he normally makes the play. He almost always gets a good jump on balls hit over his head and into the gap. He is pretty flawless actually.
Healthy and Grady Sizemore is an oxymoron.
106 runs in 29 games was enough to dispute the point. No use trying to combat it. Losing battle.
*sometimes*
And the team has quietly moved to be one of the best defensive teams in baseball, with an emphasis on defense when looking at acquisitions.
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Cashman made it a point to acquire 2-way players. And for the guys that weren’t quite as good they at least made an effort to improve (swisher working on his fielding). Unlike some teams which eschewed offense to go for defense, cashman managed to get both
Bo knows April 1st, 2011 at 10:43 pm
There is only one RF I want to acquire…Bryce Harper.
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Now that would be from “your mouth to God’s ear”
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From my keyboard to God’s monitor.
JF–Yes he did…Smart moves by Cashman.
I think BG gets a GG this year, and perhaps Grandy as well…
I hope Chavez stays healthy and sticks around a few years….
From my keyboard to God’s monitor.
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Point!
I love good defense in any sport, and would love to see Martin and Cervelli solidify the defense for the next 2 years, and Montero just hit DH…where his defense iss more than adequate.
Jerkface April 1st, 2011 at 10:41 pm
they scored 106 runs in their last 29 games, you consider that above average offense? Is that based on any advanced statistic that you seem to be able to pull out whenever it suits your position?
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By the playoffs they had: Buster Posey catching, Andres Torres in CF, and Cody Ross in RF. To go along with the above average bats of Huff and Burrell. And the league average group of Sanchez, Uribe, and Sandoval.
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You mean the Andres Torres who batted .164/.188/.328/.517 in Sept/Oct
or the Cody Ross who had 5 RBI the entire month of Sept/Oct?
Posey was with the team the entire 2nd half of the season, he didn’t magically appear at the end of the season.
You have to be kidding about this. The whole point of baseball is that you play the entire season to get into the playoffs, at which time anything can happen.
Picking holes at a player for alleged flaws all season doesn’t mean anything when guys like Cody Ross, picked up by the Giants as a throwaway by the Marlins, Pat Burrell, who didn’t hit a lick in the AL and was booed out of Tampa, and Edgar Renteria, who is 10 years past his prime, are the key elements in a WS win from the offensive side.
You can pick out all the holes in Derek Jeter’s game at this point in his career because it doesn’t matter. The Yankees, as a team, have more than enough to make the playoffs and I’d rather have Jeter playing for me in a big game, at SS, than anyone else because he knows how to handle it and knows how to win, period.
If Beltran is available and picked up by Yankees. he would be a wonderful addition like Chavez…play enough 4th OFer and DH…sign him for next year at around $7M…Cashman could have a powerful bench both offensively and defensively.
Or get Melky back as fourht OFer…whatever…I think both would be an upgrade over Jones.
The Yankees, as a team, have more than enough to make the playoffs
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I have never ever said the Yankees did not have what it takes to make the playoffs, infact I argue vehemently that they will. But you asked how the Giants could have possibly won the WS, which if you look at the collection of players they had, was an above average group of hitters and great pitching. They had 3 starters with 130 ERA+, and their 4th worst pitcher by ERA+ was Tim Lincecum!
Why does it matter what Torres did in august and september? It is only important that they made the playoffs and then had those good players together for the playoffs.
Jerkface reminds me of apollo creeds corner here in the fight with drago. Its obvious he is getting killed but just won’t throw in the towel.
Andres Torres. Classic
Chavez, what an acquisition as backup for Alex. You have to like Cashman’s thinking. Out of the box, quality thinking.
If Chavez doesn’t develop an ego, this could prolong both careers and yield big benefits to all concerned.
.268 .343 .479 .823 <– Andres Torres 2010, in Center!
BTW–I think Grady will be back by the end of the month and be a big trade in July.
that’s the Andres Torres with the career OPS of .751, which, according to Bill James, makes him a ‘D’ level hitter? Since when is ‘D’ above average?
.290 .385 .506 .891
.305 .357 .505 .862
.266 .364 .509 .872
.268 .343 .479 .823
.288 .354 .466 .819
.248 .310 .440 .749
.292 .342 .397 .739
.268 .323 .409 .732
Good lineup when you’re throwing out Cain, Lincecum, Bumgarner, and Sanchez and a bullpen that had 3 guys with ERA’s under 2.2
The only hting Cash did wrong in signing Chavez was not to get an option for two more years.
Just want to say that I am SO happy for the Orioles and KC. Both won tonight. Also so happy for Jeremy Guthrie. I still believe that Buck is finding a way to help those kids realize their potential.
Patrick is killing me in fantasy baseball and has Guthrie on his team, but I’ll take it every time if it means an underdog player or team can get the job done.
GOOD ON YA ORIOLES!!!
the Andres Torres who struck out 128 times in 506 ABs, that Andres Torres? the one who spent his prime career years in the minors? The one who had 1 HR and 3 RBI in 15 post season games? That is ‘above average’?
Trishy–
Buck will do wonders with that team this year. I really believe in him.
Trishy–
When is your list finalized? The committee has been getting requests for final version of official nicknames, and they are basing the list off your final list.–mainly because they are too lazy to put a list together themselves.
Jerkface April 1st, 2011 at 10:46 pm
And the team has quietly moved to be one of the best defensive teams in baseball, with an emphasis on defense when looking at acquisitions.
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Cashman made it a point to acquire 2-way players. And for the guys that weren’t quite as good they at least made an effort to improve (swisher working on his fielding). Unlike some teams which eschewed offense to go for defense, cashman managed to get both
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Ross hit .293 .369 .517 .886 in sept/october of last year.
MG April 1st, 2011 at 11:02 pm
the Andres Torres who struck out 128 times in 506 ABs
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You’re looking at the glass as half empty, whereas Andres would point out that he didn’t strike out 378 times.
MG,
Torres came back to early from an appendectomy. That is why his numbers look like they did in those 2 months
Face….I never thought I came off that way so if I did I owe you and anyone else an apology
MG,
Not sure what your point is? Are you just arguing about Andres Torres now?
Torres had not been in the majors since 2005, but since he came up for the Giants he has hit: .269 .343 .492 .835 which is excellent.
He hit .350 in the NLCS with a .400 OBP and OPS’d .900 in the world series. Scored 4 runs and 3 RBIs, they only played 5 games!
You seem to have lost the script for your argument. If you look at the collection of talent the Giants had, you could reasonably predict them to win the world series once they made the playoffs.
The Giants should be much better offensivly this year with a full year from Posey, a slimmed down Sandoval and Belt there
Unless there’s a major injury in the outfield, there is no way that Beltran is getting $8-9 mil worth of at bats, not to mention the talent required. How about waiting to see if he’s still “looks great going back to the wall” to look at a home run ball. Right now Molina has more value to the Yankees than Beltran would.
I thought the Giants were the team to beat going intot he playoffs last year because they seemed to gel at the last moment. I think they could have been predicted to win based on pitching and a revamped offense…
And the point of sabermetrics is not to predict who will win the world series, but to give us a better understanding of what is happening on the field. For GMs it should help them to assemble the best collection of talent along with their scouting.
Trying to use predicting winners or something as a measure of utility is futile, because no one is going to be able to predict all the winners of anything. Or else they’d be making a killing off sportsbooks.
I thought the Giants were the team to beat going intot he playoffs last year because they seemed to gel at the last moment. I think they could have been predicted to win based on pitching and a revamped offense…
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I’m pretty sure I took them in the LOHUD playoff guessing game.
GreenBeret7 April 1st, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Unless there’s a major injury in the outfield, there is no way that Beltran is getting $8-9 mil worth of at bats, not to mention the talent required. How about waiting to see if he’s still “looks great going back to the wall” to look at a home run ball
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That’s a great point. In my mind, I expect an injury to the OF that will require picking up someone at the deadline. I do so because the team has been pretty lucky the last few years, and the law of averages catch up. But you are right in that things whould be allowed to be played out…My speculation may never happen.
Ethier showing off his range.
the Giants won because Lincecum and the rest of the starters pitched great throughout the playoffs and the bullpen was terrific. They rode the hot hand all the way but there was nothing that could predict that guys like Ross and Renteria would consistently get key hits.
And, if nothing can predict that, how can you claim that the advanced statistics and crap like WAR (the work of one person, Sean Smith, who admits on his blog that the correlation coefficient among the various systems is only 0.02 is absolute bible for determining player values?
http://apps.baseballprojection.com/blog/
Bojy – this is the final night for people to get their predictions in.
The committee might want to take note of the current chart.
http://members.cox.net/lsdorga.....0CHART.pdf
I have never made a claim about WAR being the best blah blah blah??? Why are you projecting that argument onto me?
Dickerson is quite capable of filling in all 3 outfield spots and he’ll cost barely over prorated league minimum.
Thx Trishy!
MG–As JF states, the stats and WAR are not about predicting outcomes…they just provide insights into performance. How a GM assembles his team to win also needs to take into account budget, home field, division competition, etc. Once that strategy is devised, the GM can find players who meet his strategy through these tools.
GreenBeret7 April 1st, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Dickerson is quite capable of filling in all 3 outfield spots and he’ll cost barely over prorated league minimum
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Another good point–EXCEPT what happens if Jones sucks and Swisher gets hurt? Cash mgiht want a right handed bat as a pick up, and if Mets eat some of Beltran’s contract in order to get back some prospects, then Carlie would be an attractive acquisition.
All this is speculation of course.
No one can predict with absolute certainty the outcome of anything. The goal of a GM should be to put his team in the best position to win though. Which means staffing the rotation with good pitchers and the lineup with good hitters. Anyone can hit a HR in 1 game, but A-rod is going to hit more HRs than most other players over the course of a season. Stats can tell us this.
WAR is good for looking at the impact a player had overall for their team.
trisha – true pinstriped blue April 1st, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Just want to say that I am SO happy for the Orioles and KC. Both won tonight. Also so happy for Jeremy Guthrie. I still believe that Buck is finding a way to help those kids realize their potential.
Patrick is killing me in fantasy baseball and has Guthrie on his team, but I’ll take it every time if it means an underdog player or team can get the job done.
GOOD ON YA ORIOLES!!!
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I am happy too that the Orioles won tonight for obvious reasons, Im sure that Maddon will come up with some co ckamamie story about how they got cheated yet again(always blaming everyone else) but Guthrie pitched a gem
on the fantasy stuff, Logan Morrison was nice enough to get me a good amount of points by hitting a home run but I still didnt have enough to beat whoever it is thats head to head with me. I even got some points by a few s uxers.
I never understood why in baseball, if one uses numbers to keep score, a run saved counted less than a run scored. One of those “whiskey tango foxtrot, over”.
Vin Scully just said that Brandon Belt belted one. For shame Vin!
Trishy–
I’ll post that list later with it sorted by win projections. And the committee will get out it’s final list before game time tomorrow,unless those lazy bums oversleep again.
Bojy – I absolutely believe in Buck. I don’t know the last time Jeremy Guthrie mastered the Rays, in fact the last time he really mastered any team, until Buck showed up. 8IP, 3h, 1BB, 6K. The one run in the game came after he left the game. I also don’t remember him pitching 8 complete innings almost ever!
On the other hand -
“Orioles left-hander Brian Matusz is going to the disabled list with a back strain that could sideline him anywhere from three to six weeks, according to president of baseball operations Andy MacPhail”
TYanks, if it weren’t for Joakim Soria and now Sanchez I would have basically no fantasy points. I have to believe that my position players are in last place. My position players have one point total! And that’s thanks to Andres Torres.
. I also don’t remember him pitching 8 complete innings almost ever!
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If only we had stats to help us learn things
He has 2 career complete games, almost ever indeed! He has also pitched 8 innings 14 times.
Beltran and Vladdy should have been patrolling the Yankee OF for years. Another legacy of GMS. Unfortunately that ship has sailed. As Cashman would say “Not an optimum transaction”. Big picture.
Jerkface April 1st, 2011 at 11:19 pm
No one can predict with absolute certainty the outcome of anything. The goal of a GM should be to put his team in the best position to win though. Which means staffing the rotation with good pitchers and the lineup with good hitters. Anyone can hit a HR in 1 game, but A-rod is going to hit more HRs than most other players over the course of a season. Stats can tell us this.
WAR is good for looking at the impact a player had overall for their team.
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Building on that, let’s take a look at a real world example of the impact these tools have had.
In the 90s, Gene Michael crafted the long-term strategy for the club he wanted to field.
Patient hitters who worked the count on pitchers…drew walks (high OBP)…good situational hitters
Good starters who could go 6 innings…and a strong bullpen
Cashman around 2005 updated strategy to include
Power pitchers whith high swing and miss…high percentage of quality starts…
Better defense ansd 2 way players
Now, with that blueprint, they looked for players that fit that mold. Using the stats, they were able to get gems like Swisher, Grandy, Gardner…etc.
Trishy–
Too bad for Matusz–I like his potential…will be painful for Bucky…
Yanks aren’t paying out $8 mil+ for a what if. You’re not talking about the Beltran of old. You’re talking about the old Beltran.
Trisha
haha, well the ones that ive expected to do well havent done a darn thing for me. I forgot to take Montero off and put him on the bench and peter bourjos is rocking and sitting on my bench and all his points are going to waste. I dont know who it is on here that im head to head with but he has aces for pitching and I got all 4th and 5th starters. I think my draft priorities were all wrong. oh well, live and learn.
I love Cash’s story about how the Yankees ALMOST had Soria years ago when he was a rule 5 draftee. Too bad he didn’t think to trade for him prior to draft.
Good analysis of the stats also told them that Swisher would bounce back, and surprise he did.
I love Cash’s story about how the Yankees ALMOST had Soria years ago when he was a rule 5 draftee. Too bad he didn’t think to trade for him prior to draft.
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No thank you, that would have been Joba 2.0, soria to the pen soria to the rotation, he has 3 plus pitches!
Granderson pre Long tinkering was meh. Could argue, a suboptimal transaction. Long is probably Yankee MVA, as in most valuable asset.
GreenBeret7 April 1st, 2011 at 11:31 pm
Yanks aren’t paying out $8 mil+ for a what if. You’re not talking about the Beltran of old. You’re talking about the old Beltran.
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Nice play on words.
I think he would cost about $4M to Yankees IF the Mets hoped to get any decent prospects back. They could live with that. And I think he has value at that price for a 4th OFer and bat off the bench. He could play RF and DH a few times a week IF Jones is let go.
Jerkface April 1st, 2011 at 11:32 pm
I love Cash’s story about how the Yankees ALMOST had Soria years ago when he was a rule 5 draftee. Too bad he didn’t think to trade for him prior to draft.
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No thank you, that would have been Joba 2.0, soria to the pen soria to the rotation, he has 3 plus pitches!
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I do like Soria, and truth be told, I think he will be the guy who replaces Mo when Mo retires.
“I don’t remember”
Not HE DIDN’T
“almost ever”
IS NOT “NEVER”
14 times out of 123 games started is probably the reason “I don’t remember him pitching 8 complete innings almost ever.”
I have a great idea. Instead of ever trying to pull anything from memory of watching games, why don’t you go to your stat sheets and figure out league average in pitching 8 innings so you can maybe tell me that Guthrie’s 14 times is above league average…
Opps–it’s bedtime for Bonzo–I mean Bojo…Good night all!
I was just trying to help you remember about Guthrie, no need to get up in arms!
# BoJo April 1st, 2011 at 11:35 pm
Jerkface April 1st, 2011 at 11:32 pm
I love Cash’s story about how the Yankees ALMOST had Soria years ago when he was a rule 5 draftee. Too bad he didn’t think to trade for him prior to draft.
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No thank you, that would have been Joba 2.0, soria to the pen soria to the rotation, he has 3 plus pitches!
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I do like Soria, and truth be told, I think he will be the guy who replaces Mo when Mo retires.
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I can see that happening based on the fact that he would be the best option to take over
Unless there’s a major injury in the outfield, there is no way that Beltran is getting $8-9 mil worth of at bats, not to mention the talent required. How about waiting to see if he’s still “looks great going back to the wall” to look at a home run ball. Right now Molina has more value to the Yankees than Beltran would.”
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this is of course ridiculous. how much of his contract would be paid by whom and how much talent it would take to get him would of course be subject to the trade negotiations.
and the molina comment is beyond stupid because nobody suggested getting beltran now. i have a feeling that between now and the end of july we might see whether beltran can go back to the fence.
and where will g. moilna be in july? japan? mexico? tacoma? we will find out.
That was nice of Alex to congratulate Donnie……………
“I was just trying to help you remember about Guthrie, no need to get up in arms!”
But then again, you never know how accurate any of the calls were from behind the plate so who knows if Guthrie’s or anyone else’s stats are really accurate. In fact, who knows whether bad calls going against the pitcher caused Brett Gardner to get hits he wouldn’t otherwise have had, and bad calls going against the hitter caused Jacoby Ellsbury to miss opportunities to have hits that he would otherwise have had.
Stats suck.
i wonder what gb would have said last seaason at this time:
unless there’s a major injury in the outfield, there is no way that berkman is getting $8M worth of at bats. not to mention the talent required. how about waiting to see if he ‘s still ‘looks great going back to the wall’ to look at a home run ball. right now, randy winn has more value to the yankees than lance berkman.’
Logan Morrison said that the home run was for his dad who passed away this December from lung cancer, he did a salute to him at home plate. How sad, poor LoMo
hahaha did anyone watch the end of the Mets game? Someone from SNY accidentally started playing audio of the Family Guy Mets spoof (opening day, here’s the first pitch, and the season is over!) for a couple seconds, then abruptly shut it off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0a36BPaYAU (about 15 seconds in)
WCYF -
Thanks for the link to the WSJ story.
It appears the youth of today want their sports to match their life style, fast paced.
Logan Morrison said that the home run was for his dad who passed away this December from lung cancer, he did a salute to him at home plate. How sad, poor LoMo
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I saw that. He high-fived the air.
Poor Marcus
Rare pick off of Ichiro followed by the not so rare failed catch by Marcus Thames!
no harm no foul
Followed by the rarer figgy HR!
OT but terrible
http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH.....l?iref=NS1
Matt Kemp just went first to third on an infield grounder to sandoval.
patrick is en fuego! 95 points so far today, powered by 41 jeremy guthrie points
Jon Heyman shares his wisdom:
2. Are the Red Sox still the AL favorite?
In a word, yes. Jacoby Ellsbury, Dustin Pedroia and Kevin Youkilis are back from injury and winter acquisitions Carl Crawford and Adrian Gonzalez should give them one of the best lineups in baseball, if not the best. The pitching staff is so talented and deep that proven performers Alfredo Aceves and Hideki Okajima were optioned out. If there are questions, it is these: 1) Is Jarrod Saltalamacchia really ready to be a starting catcher now? 2) Can they win with a 36-year-old starting shortstop (Marco Scutaro)? And 3) Is there enough starting pitching depth, considering the questions surrounding Josh Beckett and Daisuke Matsuzaka?
9. What will happen with CC Sabathia’s opt-out clause?
The smart money says he opts out but re-signs with the Yankees. “He’s definitely opting out,” one competing GM said. In reality, there is no reason not to. Assuming Sabathia has his usual year, it would be unwise business not to turn the four years and $92 million that would remain into something at least a little longer. The Yankees were willing to give Sabathia’s good friend Cliff Lee at least $148 million over seven years at age 31, so figure Sabathia might be able to add three years onto his deal, especially if he stays off the Cap’n Crunch.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....z1IKpk1uVb
“41 jeremy guthrie points”
That is just beautiful.
why such an orioles fan? in my book the orioles are public enemy 1b
Don’t think Sandoval could have gotten there in time anyway.
Ys Guy April 1st, 2011 at 11:44 pm
i wonder what gb would have said last seaason at this time:
unless there’s a major injury in the outfield, there is no way that berkman is getting $8M worth of at bats. not to mention the talent required. how about waiting to see if he ‘s still ‘looks great going back to the wall’ to look at a home run ball. right now, randy winn has more value to the yankees than lance berkman.’
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Those were Collins’ words, not mine. Right now, the Yankees have more need for a back-up catcher than a crippled outfielder/DH.
“why such an orioles fan? in my book the orioles are public enemy 1b”
I am a Yankee fan above all, first and foremost, let there be no question. But I am also a baseball fan and especially of teams that I feel have struggled; teams whose players have really put out an effort and have nothing to show for it; teams who can’t be as competitive as others because they don’t have the Yankees payroll. Because I believe that players go and leave their hearts on the field, I am so happy for them when they achieve.
My only exception is the Sux.
I have a soft spot in my heart for the Orioles because I have seen them really do a good job only to have the pen lose it for them. Buck has turned things around.
Looks like Jonathan Sanchez won’t be getting me a win tonight.
Thank God for Soria!
Not sure what Heyman said, but I’m sure it contains many pearls of wisdom….not
Betsy, agree. I personally don’t know why anyone bothers to post Heyman tripe here seriously.
A cloud of bad defense has wafted over the Cali teams.
Trish, I’m just tired of reading about how wonderful, fantastic, supercalifragilistic expialidocious, magnificent and superb the Red Sox are.
“9. What will happen with CC Sabathia’s opt-out clause?
“The smart money says he opts out but re-signs with the Yankees. “He’s definitely opting out,” one competing GM said. In reality, there is no reason not to. ”
He’s right.
Heyman, that is.
whatever, i dont root for other teams in the yankees division unless they are playing the one closest to us in the standings. i spent alot of time rooting for the hapless red socks against the soul-crushing Orioles in my lifetime.
and mr. ‘separate hotels, separate transportation’ ripken makes me sick when he talks about teaching the kids teamwork.
i will always hate the orioles.
if cc opts out and santana comes back healthy, the yankees might be more interested in taking the remaining 3/$75 off the met’s hands than offering sabathia a lee type contract.
“Trish, I’m just tired of reading about how wonderful, fantastic, supercalifragilistic expialidocious, magnificent and superb the Red Sox are.”
Betsy especially after watching them today!
Isn’t Heyman the Sux shill who reports from all of their games, or do I have him mixed up with some other suck up.
“i will always hate the orioles.”
Certainly your right.
I’d rather wait for Banuelos to come along, than pay Santana big $$$. He’s also had an injury-riddled tenure with the Mets.
I’d rather wait for Banuelos to come along, than pay Santana big $$$. He’s also had an injury-riddled tenure with the Mets.
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if you want to call 599 IP in 3 years ‘injury riddled’ that’s your right.
Betsy, actually I think it’s obnoxious at this point for anyone to trot out crap predicting the eminence of the Sux. We don’t need to have any more of it rubbed in our faces. It’s not like we haven’t read all the stupid hype all off season.
On top of it, it’s total crap. So I wish Yankee fans would keep it off here. If they REALLY need to post it, perhaps to calm their own frayed nerves by dumping it on others, how about just linking to it so that the people who want to read every word of it can do so and the rest of us don’t have to be treated to it.
Okay, I’ll give that. 234 innings offset the 166 the next season. But Santana’s had knee and shoulder surgery in recent years. No, thank you.
And yes, I realize that CC had knee surgery, too.
m ok if you prefer paying cc $25M/yr till he’s 39 i can accept that. i disagree but i can accpet that.
Heyman actually mentioned the Sox question marks. Nothing inflammatory at all from the above cuts.
Heyman was also pretty much the only one who didn’t pick the Sox to make it to the WS. Picked the Rockies/Rangers
# Ys Guy April 2nd, 2011 at 12:19 am
if cc opts out and santana comes back healthy, the yankees might be more interested in taking the remaining 3/$75 off the met’s hands than offering sabathia a lee type contract.
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You can’t be serious.
There’s a better chance the new Wonder Woman will show up on my doorstep in full costume than the Yanks preferring Sabathia over Santana.
They preferred Sabathia even before the non-trade. No chance they’d prefer him now with the declined velocity and problems he’s had with the Mets.
If CC opts out, I prefer to say “goodbye”. But I wouldn’t want to pay Johan anything until he shows that 1) he is healthy 2) he can pitch like CC
“2. Are the Red Sox still the AL favorite?
In a word, yes. Jacoby Ellsbury, Dustin Pedroia and Kevin Youkilis are back from injury and winter acquisitions Carl Crawford and Adrian Gonzalez should give them one of the best lineups in baseball, if not the best. The pitching staff is so talented and deep that proven performers Alfredo Aceves and Hideki Okajima were optioned out.”
Total crap.
Link to crap about the Sux. It doesn’t belong here. Period. Only the faint of heart force us to even have to look at this crap.
None of the Red Sox fluff bothers me because I don’t waste time reading any of it.
The games are played on the field. We’ll see which team is better by the end of the season.
The Sox and their fans won’t have any excuses.
The writing was on the wall, re: CC, the moment he backtracked in ST from his “I’m not opting out!” stance that he had all of last year.
After seeing the Yankees fall over themselves for Lee, a guy older, less durable, with less of a track record, CC smartly recognizes this as an opportunity to get a bigger payday.
I can’t take too much stock in Boston’s loss today. But that being said it was wicked fun.
I don’t know a handful of posters here who pay a whit of attention to anything predicted by the “experts”. Maybe people who can’t think for themselves and need to be guided by the opinions of others. That certainly isn’t the majority here. So I doubt they’d be wanting to read any more crap about the vaunted loser Sux.
trisha,
Just skip over it if you don’t want to read it
“You can’t be serious.
There’s a better chance the new Wonder Woman will show up on my doorstep in full costume than the Yanks preferring Sabathia over Santana.
They preferred Sabathia even before the non-trade. No chance they’d prefer him now with the declined velocity and problems he’s had with the Mets.”
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this is ridiculous. they preferred cc because they could sign him without giving up talent. i’d say all things being equal they would have been very happy to get either one of them.
also declining velocity didnt seem to affect his 2.98 era last year.
lastly, again, the alternative to paying a healthy santana $25M for 3 years would be paying cc $25M/yr till he’s 39.
“I can’t take too much stock in Boston’s loss today. But that being said it was wicked fun.”
I take total stock in it and was not at all surpised by it since I have already said that I know that the Sux have been overhyped and overrated and may not even make the playoffs with their paper tiger of a team.
But it is fun to see everyone else in the world of baseball so agog about them. It gives me something to laugh at every day.
Think I’ll watch some DVRd programming since my fantasy team night is basically over.
Night all.
“Link to crap about the Sux. It doesn’t belong here. Period. Only the faint of heart force us to even have to look at this crap”
Trisha, as you may remember, I’m hardly of the faint of heart. I’m pretty well convinced both the Yankees and Red Sox are going to make make the postseason.
Sox are the shiny new toy, people are going overboard, and that’s fine. But you seem to be going too far the other way denying they’re a talented roster.
I also THINK I remember you quite defiantly defending your right to talk about whatever you wanted on this board a couple of weeks ago.
Not sure why double standard applies.
“trisha,
Just skip over it if you don’t want to read it”
Nah. I want it linked to. You want to read it, seek it out. It doesn’t have place on this forum. Unless of course you’re a Sux believer.
Oh yeah, you are that.
Night now.
im not a socks basher, i respect them alot and i can certainly see why people are picking them, but honestly, throughout their game today, i felt all along that it was setting up for a socks bullpen letdown. the only difference was that bard beat paps to the punch.
Santana would also be pitching half his games at the Stadium – a place where Sabathia thrives.
Santana would no longer be pitching in the Grand Canyon.
There’s no way to prove it but you can bet your ass that the Yanks would hedge their bets on Sabathia staying healthy long term over Santana.
“The writing was on the wall, re: CC, the moment he backtracked in ST from his “I’m not opting out!” stance that he had all of last year.”
Writing was on the wall long before that, the moment he signed the contract, in fact. Anyone who ever believed that was put in their solely in case he didn’t like NY were fooling themselves.
lastly, again, the alternative to paying a healthy santana $25M for 3 years would be paying cc $25M/yr till he’s 39
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i meant to say ‘could be’ not ‘would be’. obviously we dont know anything its all speculation.
i was really just trying to point out that should cc opt out, we have options, too and i am concerned that we are heading towards fielding an old-timer’s team by the end of these crazy contracts.
stuckey,
Oh I agree. I meant for people who tried to convince themselves that CC would not opt out based on his quotes last year. Well, his ambiguous quotes this year should clear that up.
He was always opting out if he had a good season though
if you want to call 599 IP in 3 years ‘injury riddled’ that’s your right.
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In an airport in the NL East. In the last 20 years, Santana’s pitched 350 innings. He might get another 100 innings this year….if he’s lucky. He’s not a $25 mil a year pitcher any more.
“But you seem to be going too far the other way denying they’re a talented roster. ”
Hardly. But as you may remember when you predicted that they were evenly matched and both would make the postseason, I made swiss cheese out of your “evenly matched” argument.
It hasn’t changed.
I see you as just another fence straddler, afraid of the Sux.
That’s your right.
I admit it nauseates me to see any Yankee fans lapping that stuff up when anyone who possessed intellectual honesty would back up their talk with hard and cold analysis. But if you tried to do that, the holes in your argument would be so apparent as to be embarrassing.
However, stay right there in the middle stuckey. It’s safe.
trisha,
Issues much? Your the one singing Ellsbury’s praises not me
“There’s no way to prove it but you can bet your ass that the Yanks would hedge their bets on Sabathia staying healthy long term over Santana.”
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all things being equal this is very true. but all things arent equal. we’re talking about a commitment of 3 / $75M for santana vs. maybe 7/ $150 for cc.
now which is the bigger injury/decline risk?
Bard was the shocking part.
I know is fastball can be rather straight. But he had some movement today.
No way you expect Bard to give up 4 runs. Maybe it’s because it’s early in the season, but I hope we see more of that.
“Issues much? Your the one singing Ellsbury’s praises not me”
Only with Yankee fans afraid of their own shadows who spend too much time bending over to praise the Sux.
Singing Ellsbury’s praises? Once again, you miss the mark with your mischaracterization.
In an airport in the NL East. In the last 20 years, Santana’s pitched 350 innings. He might get another 100 innings this year….if he’s lucky. He’s not a $25 mil a year pitcher any more.
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look at his last year’s stats and you will see a $25M pitcher. 2.98 era 179h in 199 ip.
and how much of a $25M pitcher will cc be in 7 or 8 years?
trisha,
The Sox are the worst team in baseball. They will win no more then 60 games. Better?
Personally, I can’t stand seeing anyone giving a sux player excessive praise. But I wouldn’t tell them to cut it out.
..and on top of that, i started the whole premise by saying ‘if santana is healthy’.
Triple, I just checked the chart and you came in at the bottom in predicting Yankee wins.
Good job.
You you actually think that Cashman didn’t know that the probability of Sabathia opting out wasn’t nearly 100%? I’ll take Sabathia and extention over Santana any time. Then, too, you think picking up a game legged $8 mil extra outfielder for 2 months is a good idea.
Of course CC is going to opt out. Another player to hold the Yankees ransom for more money. Our payroll would be 20 million less if we didn’t have to pay the Yankee tax. I miss Paul Oneill
btw, 366 IP the last 2 years, i dont really know what you were going for with that 350 in 20 years thing.
Santana hadn’t had knee and shoulder surgery last year either. They don’t even know how good he’ll be…if he pitches at all this year.
trisha,
Was I not towing the company line?
“Personally, I can’t stand seeing anyone giving a sux player excessive praise. But I wouldn’t tell them to cut it out.”
Here’s the difference. I don’t mind any excessive praise when it’s earned.
350-366, what the hell;s the difference, and the 20 was a typo and you know it.
so you think that paying cc $25M per year is smarter, ok. i disagree.
you’d bettter believe there will be alot more lost velocity in cc by the time he’s 38 than in johan by the time his contract ends after he’s 35. then for those last 4 years you can get another guy who will actually be worth top dollar and not 4 years past his prime.
but that s just my opinion.
“Hardly. But as you may remember when you predicted that they were evenly matched and both would make the postseason, I made swiss cheese out of your “evenly matched” argument.”
As I’ve never made any argument comparing the two teams, I believe you have me confused with someone else.
It hasn’t changed.
“I see you as just another fence straddler, afraid of the Sux.”
Then you’re choosing to overlook and disregard everything I’ve ever written on this forum in favor for something I never did.
Which is also your right.
“I admit it nauseates me to see any Yankee fans lapping that stuff up when anyone who possessed intellectual honesty would back up their talk with hard and cold analysis. But if you tried to do that, the holes in your argument would be so apparent as to be embarrassing.
“However, stay right there in the middle stuckey. It’s safe.”
Frankly Trisha, your anti-anything Red Sox tone and rhetoric is odd and reminds me of one of our most infamous trolls.
But that too if you right.
But for the record, if you’d ever like to discuss the Yankees AND Rex Sox chances for the post season with hard and cold analysis, you know the number.
i guess the difference is i actually looked at his record and you didnt. not surprising.
GB
Here is a link to a video I posted on Youtube of Gary Sanchez, its just one swing but he hits a single. I have the whole at-bat but its broken into two parts, the first is all the pitches before this and at the end the catcher cusses so I decided not to upload it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qMqrC-NQtI
“trisha,
Was I not towing the company line?”
You were putting on the line exactly what you thought of the Yankees.
I will say the few people down there at the bottom with you, who have been posting regularly, have also sung high praises of the Sux.
Not surprising then that the few down there would also devalue the Yankees.
Hey you feel how you feel. Time will tell whether you called it right or wrong.
Maybe, MAYBE, we can revisit the idea if and when Santana pitches again.
As far is this year? We have pitching. But unless you’re getting Halladay or Felix, not much else to get excited about Greinke doesn’t want to be here, Johnson is improbable.
Personally, I don’t like making a trade just to make a trade. I think Cashman feels the same. Inventory is low AND it stinks. Hold for now.
I’m not exactly enamored of CC opting out and having to give him another 4 years……
“Of course CC is going to opt out. Another player to hold the Yankees ransom for more money. Our payroll would be 20 million less if we didn’t have to pay the Yankee tax.”
You know why there is a Yankee tax???
This: http://blogs.forbes.com/kurtba.....ble-teams/
Anyone expecting players and agents to pretend this disparity doesn’t exist are just being unrealistic.
I didn’t have to look. I was well aware of about what his numbers were. Until he and Beltran prove they are productive and healthy, they aren’t worth a nickel, and they haven’t proved squat.
m were talking about alternatives IF cc opts out. obviously since he cant opt out till after this year we will by that time already know what became of johan (and cc for that matter) over the course of this season.
and depending on how it goes, i might prefer signing cc by then, or cj wilson or we may have 3 killer b’s dying for rotation space and decide to just sign a cj wilson or mark buehrle to tide us over.
i was just laying out an alternative to an extention that might take cc up till hes’ 38-39, which no matter how you feel about him now, would be very very risky especially considering the salaries and ages we are already committed to at this point.
chill guys, its only a suggestion of what may happen.
Trisha,
You wouldn’t believe how bad my team is performing except Doc and Figgins. I have almost no points but neither does Upstate Kate. She is ahead.
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On an entirely different subject I thought the guys in here acted like school children for hours tonight over nothing. I stupidly read the whole thing. When I eventually caught up, they were back where they started.
“But for the record, if you’d ever like to discuss the Yankees AND Rex Sox chances for the post season with hard and cold analysis, you know the number.”
No need since I already know how it’s going to play out.
Y’s Guy,
You ought know by know that the guys in here aren’t happy unless they have something to worry about.
Unfortunately, the Yankees will extend CC. I doubt they use Santana as a hedge, leverage, or viable option.
They convinced themselves they didn’t need Santana before, and if CC opts out, Johan will cost a lot in prospects. 3 years later than the first time they considered trading for him.
“On an entirely different subject I thought the guys in here acted like school children for hours tonight over nothing. I stupidly read the whole thing. When I eventually caught up, they were back where they started”
SAS – at least you have Doc and Figgins! If it weren’t for Soria, at this point I’d have nobody!!!
“Frankly Trisha, your anti-anything Red Sox tone and rhetoric is odd and reminds me of one of our most infamous trolls”
What’s even more odd is that you act as if you’re noticing my anti-Sux tone for the first time.
How strange.
“No need since I already know how it’s going to play out.”
I’m frankly embarrassed for you.
i said yesterday something about maybe giambi ends up back with the yankees if andruw jones doesnt work out and the rockies fall out of it and you would think i assasinated the president.
just throwing an idea out there and people just go crazy with stuff that doesnt enter into it.
if i start a statement with the premise ‘if he’s healthy’ they still go on and on about how injured the guy in question is. okay but that on its face falls outside the premise that i throw out.
but there is not stopping some people’s desire to crap all over an idea that wasnt even suggested.
“I’m frankly embarrassed for you.”
Hopefully I don’t lose any sleep over it…
SAS
The person I am head to head with has King Felix. He pitched a complete game so he got 43 points. The only points I got from my pitching today was -6 cause the RP blew the tie and got the loss. This fantasy baseball stuff is a lot more stressful than I thought it would be. I am highly competitive and it makes me mad that I didnt do well today.
“What’s even more odd is that you act as if you’re noticing my anti-Sux tone for the first time.”
I genuinely thought it was in good humor.
Had no idea you were serious.
It appears it is in fact you who is overcompensating due to insecurity.
Yankees AND the Red Sox together are two of the most talented rosters in the Majors.
That you feel the need to turn anyone who expressing that into an enemy is childish.
TY, thabk you for the great videos. Sanchez has the sound and swing of Montero when he hits. Great clip. He’s going to be Montero huge in Charleston this year. I’m anxious to see if he can match two titanic blasts that Montero belted at Grayson Stadium in Savannah, pne night. One to dead center and into the pine trees and another onto Victory Drive to left center.
http://www.ballparkreviews.com/savan/savan.htm
It is truly amazing how they carry on like a bunch of cackling hens. Even the people whose opinion I value get involved…however, my ‘bad’ for reading it all/
“I am highly competitive and it makes me mad that I didnt do well today.”
Tyanks, thankfully I’m not highly competitive with that stuff. I am competitive with myself so if I can improve by adding and dropping, etc., it’s okay. If I were highly competitive I would be seriously devastated right now!
“They convinced themselves they didn’t need Santana before, and if CC opts out, Johan will cost a lot in prospects. 3 years later than the first time they considered trading for him.”
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i dont want to get all wrapped up in what was a throw-it-out-there idea, but obviously johan would not cost anywhere near what he did the last time, especially coming off an injury (i repeat here for emphasiss that the premise is ‘if he is healthy). and again i think even the yankees would be hesitant to make an offer to cc that brings him up till he’s in his late 30′s at top dollar, but they did it last offseason and happily (imo) it was not accepted.
I think that others, as well as myself, try to think like the Yankees would.
I think there’s very little chance that neither Santana or Giambi will be in pinstripes.
If you throw those ideas out there, there’s bound to be a reaction. Probably one that you’re not going to like.
I try to be tactful about it, but we all pretty much think the same thing. Which is no way in hell…
Poor Felix, gave up 2 runs in the first inning and the game is likely over……
Ye of little faith.
Granted, A’s committing FIVE errors is ONE way for the M’s to score runs
But seriously, awesome job by Felix.
Hey fantasy players~
Is that the first complete game of the season?
(our commissioner was a bit tardy this year … my draft isn’t until Sunday)
Go Mattingly
btw, gb7, I know we clash occasionally,but i love the attention you give to the lower minor leagues, its pretty easy to find out what’s happening in trenton and scranton (like get in your car and drive there easy) but its hard to get anything beyond bare bones stats for the lower minor league guys and you give us a great preview of what we are going to get soon in trrenton. i love that and thanks.
now, back to the usual…)Y^*^I(Y your guy, my guy is WAY better!…
trisha – true pinstriped blue April 2nd, 2011 at 1:15 am
“Frankly Trisha, your anti-anything Red Sox tone and rhetoric is odd and reminds me of one of our most infamous trolls”
What’s even more odd is that you act as if you’re noticing my anti-Sux tone for the first time.
How strange.
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Wait a minute!!! You’re anti-Red Sox? For 3 years, I thought that was just an act. I gotta read more carefully.
The fantasy league is a whole different world from real baseball though. It is a game over which you don’t have any control once the teams are locked in. Like who would have thought Guthrie would have pitched that well. Who would have believed Fausto Carmona, one of my terrific No. 1 pitchers would give up a zillion runs. He and that closer took away all the point Doc Halladay gave me. The closer is/was highly rated.
You are helpless, but it’s fun so far anyway.
Sweet Trisha is anti-Sux. I thought she always rooted for the underdog. Who would have thunk it.
“It appears it is in fact you who is overcompensating due to insecurity.”
Now you have definitely descended into the category of total stupid ass. When someone is in that category I am forced to disregard everything they put out.
So let me respond to any future posts you may direct to me.
WHATEVER.
Compass, then draft felix!
seriously i had felix at #13 on my (12 team) draft board.
Sorry Trisha, but I had to do that…hope you thought it was funny.
SAS
Yeah, I know fantasy baseball is something you cant control. I was happy to see Logan Morrison hit his home run, not just because it would get me points but his salute at the end to his deceased father when he got to home plate was really great. I am glad there is meaningful baseball being played now.
I guess if I truly cared about my fantasy team then I would have remembered to move Montero onto the bench. c’est la vie
“Sweet Trisha is anti-Sux. I thought she always rooted for the underdog. Who would have thunk it”
You must have missed the fine print in all of my posts that says “EXCEPT FOR THE SUX”
CompassRosy April 2nd, 2011 at 1:24 am
Poor Felix, gave up 2 runs in the first inning and the game is likely over……
Ye of little faith.
Granted, A’s committing FIVE errors is ONE way for the M’s to score runs
But seriously, awesome job by Felix.
Hey fantasy players~
Is that the first complete game of the season?
(our commissioner was a bit tardy this year … my draft isn’t until Sunday)
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Evening, Rosey. Hope you enjoyed your win. I actually watched the Seattle broadcast tohight and semi-enjoyed it. I’ve always avoided their broadcasts before like poison because of the broadcast crew. Tonight was actually listenable.
“Sorry Trisha, but I had to do that…hope you thought it was funny.”
SAS, as you saw, I thought it was great.
m, didnt see lance berkman coming did you? or cecil fielder?
you never know…
“Wait a minute!!! You’re anti-Red Sox? For 3 years, I thought that was just an act. I gotta read more carefully.”
LMAO!!!!!
“Now you have definitely descended into the category of total stupid ass. When someone is in that category I am forced to disregard everything they put out.”
Just as well. I believe it’s a good thing we avoid one another, because it just occurs to me that in the future if I’m going to attempt to have a serious discussion about baseball, I should limit it to someone who actually understands basic fundamentals like how a win in Major League baseball is awarded.
I know, I know…
“Whatever”…
GB
I am going up to the complex for the last of the minor league spring games. Its Low and Hi A. If Marshal pitched on Monday then he would pitch tomorrow, no? which would also put him on pace to start the season on Thursday?
When I went up to the complex on wednesday it was late in the games so I didnt get to see much, ill try to get some of Culver, maybe if I get lucky then ill be able to get some video of him fielding. He looked pretty good on the two balls that came to him, he and Anderson Feliz were able to execute a great double play, Culver had a strong accurate throw to first.
Sis, happy you’re here. You have known me for about 12 years now. And you’ve seen me from a different perspective because we have different rooting interests.
Perhaps you can weigh in on whether my feelings about the Sux come from “insecurity” or whether it is the way I truly see them.
Thanks.
*Marshall
and tyanks, again, thanks for all your insight into the goings on in tampa. so right here we have our ‘man’ in tampa and our man in charleston.
do we rock or what?
TY, that sounds great. Maybe you’ll get a Marshall/Bryan Mitchell match-up. Take plenty of pix and videos. And thank you for your time and work. It’s much appreciated.
When Rosey comes around again I’m sure she will answer the question. And if anyone here has a clue as to what she is all about, you know she’ll answer it honestly.
ill be our man in trenton 2 weeks from sunday. hoping very very much i will see dellin or manny. its the 11th game of thier schedule, so with no rainouts or skipping in the rotation (and barring gb7s suggestion to go to a 6 man rotation) one of them would be on turn.
Sis ~
“truly” about sums it up
Let there be no question in regard to the “true pinstriped blue” and her feelings for all things northeastern red.
GB, Y’s, Trisha,
Good night all. See you in the morrow. Maybe the conversation will be more intelligent. The game is on FOX. I ought to be able to catch the end of it. I have to take a friend to lunch for her birthday.
Hi and goodnight Rosy,
Nice of you to stop by.
night sas, night gb7, night trish, night elizabeth, night john-boy, nite grampa…
“Maybe the conversation will be more intelligent.”
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
Cecil Fielder was before my time.
As for Berkman, he was a late season DH/bench pick-up with the agreement that they wouldn’t pick up his option. In fact, they may have paid us to take him.
Hardly comparable to Santana. Closer to Giambi.
I will say this re: Giambi. I think that Cashman chooses to pass rather than have players come back through the clubhouse. Especially if their tenure was fruitless and expensive (Giambi) or fruitless and painful and expensive (Pavano). Yes, I know there was talk of Pavano coming back this winter. But who really thought it would happen? Not me.
Closer to Giambi in that Giambi would be a short-term, cheap bench option.
But who really thought it would happen? Not me.
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They did make him an offer.
I realize that, JF.
But I thought he wouldn’t have the guts to come back. Yes, I’m being serious.
But that would be Pavano passing, not Cashman
Cashman obviously chose not to pass on that!
He obviously didnt have the guts to come back. Say what you will about a contract with more length but from the sound of it he would have made like 80% of his full 2 year salary in 1 year with the yankees.
Oops. I see what you mean. I guess they didn’t want him THAT much.
Ys Guy
How about I be the WOman in Tampa? Keep my up to date about all my Tampa Yankees that were promoted, ill miss them. Ill keep you updated as to all the goings on down here.
GB7
That would be cool if Mitchell and Marshall were both playing but then Id only get to watch one of them since they play on opposite fields. Ill try to get some good video and post it tomorrow. I will miss the final camp day on Sunday because its my grandfathers 80th birthday and those dont come around often.
I will say that I don’t think that Giambi will ever be back on the roster. Isn’t he embroiled in the steroid thing? That’s one strike. The second strike is that he’s old. The third is the money they already spent on his sorry ass (sorry, it’s just that the end of that contract was really painful). Maybe if he came back for like 10 cents they’d think about it.
I know they talked to Damon, too. But he wanted PA. And probably didn’t like the number$.
I will shut up now.
Can’t wait for game time.
A “NY Yankees”, “NY Mets”, and “Red Sox” fan are climbing a mountain, and arguing about who loves his team more. The Mets fan insists he is the most loyal. ”This is for the Mets”, he yells, and jumps off the mountain. Not to be outdone, the Yankees fan is next to profess his love for his team. He yells “This is for the Yankees!!!” and pushes the Red Sox fan off the mountain.
Don’t learn safety by accidents
just tossing this out there….27 year old R Martin has a VG year O & D along with staying healthy…Montero hits well in the minors but doesn’t improve much on D by mid season would you put him in a trade for a SP
RIB
that was great, I will have to remember that!
congrats to your boy Jimmer.
Caught only a couple of minutes of the BoSox game, but it was right after the three run shot off Lester when Texas took the lead at 5-4. Picked a good time to tune in.
Interested to see what happens in todays game. Can the bats be a little more productive against Penny, and how will AJ pitch. Good start against Verlander in the opener, hope it continues against a weaker pitcher today.
Thanks Kate
Just checking on yesterday’s games,I see Pavano took a nice pounding…..
..Jose Bautista had a nice day maybe his breakout last wasn’t a fluke
monring! brian matusz is going on the dl for 4-6 weeks. i have a feeling the O’s are going to
take a big step back towards where they were before buck got there this year.
i think D Lee is done and i think vlad is right behind him. after that they are the same ol same ol orioles imo.
King Felix pitched a complete game
The Ms getting as many innings as they can from him while they still have him and before they are in last place
Matusz is a big loss for them….I was thinking he might break out this year
I don’t think Bautista was a fluke….he drastically changed his swing and the way he hits….but I highly doubt he repeats 2010. Maybe 30-35 homers
joeman April 2nd, 2011 at 7:14 am
just tossing this out there….27 year old R Martin has a VG year O & D along with staying healthy…Montero hits well in the minors but doesn’t improve much on D by mid season would you put him in a trade for a SP
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I think that depends on who the pitcher is and how Sanchez and Romine are doing at the time….and also how bad the Yanks need a starter. If Sanchez is destroying the Sally league the way he did the GCL and Felix becomes available then sure….but there are only a few pitchers that you can deal him for at this point IMO.
joeman, gotta have names. i think there are a few pitchers who, if made available anyone who knows about baseball would trade him for. but it depends on the cost and who exactly you are getting back.
there are only a couple of delusional hardcores here who wouldnt trade him straight up for king felix, but there are some…
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