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Martin is without a doubt my favorite new addition to the team. Pat M was so right about how we’d react to him. I’m a little stunned Boston didn’t offer him more money to get him but I know the health issues troubled everyone. If the guy stays healthy and plays with the kind of motor he’s showing every night, it’s one of the acquisitions of the year.
That said, it’s important to have a good backup catcher that can hit so Girardi doesn’t play Martin into the ground.
As for what’s going on in Boston, I’m sure they will turn it around once they hit Cleveland this week and return to their 1927 Yankee form. The good news is Ortiz is hitting HR’s. Why is this good? Well they haven’t helped them win a game yet, but the main reason it’s good is if he gets off to a hot start, he’ll start wanting his contract addressed and start barking in the media about it.
And for the record, I do think Carl Crawford will regret that decision for the rest of his life. They will eventually force him through the media to hit leadoff and play CF. Any promises they made him in the off season about not doing those 2 things will be out the window and the press will pressure him into playing along with what the mob mentality up there thinks is right for the team. He’d never have had those issues in Anaheim.
And my bank account lives to tell another day…
I still think Granderson should be hitting 6th
“Pat M was so right about how we’d react to him. ”
one thing most all Yankee and baseball fans in general appreciate is playing the game hard and the right way.
As long as the yankees keep hitting like this I perfectly fine with this lineup! I hope gardner can lead of against lefties as well!
but, can’t complain about the results so far
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.2797379
But the fact that Martin repeatedly stressed to Burnett that very message — to keep throwing his curveball and not to worry about bouncing it past Martin — is exactly the type of moment that can prove to be a turning point in an evolving pitcher-catcher relationship.
Burnett said he appreciated the message from Martin and followed through on his request to keep throwing the curveball; 25 of his 86 pitches were curves. And even though his fastball sits in the mid-90s and has late movement, he knows he can’t get by without a curveball to balance it out.
I would consider flipping Granderson and Posada but it’s not that big a deal….you hate to hit a guy like Granderson 8th but it just shows how good and deep this lineup is.
If Martin is going to hit then there isn’t an easy out in the 9…..it’s going to really wear on pitching staffs.
To me that’s the biggest difference in NY’s and Boston’s lineups. The Sox are comparable 1-6….but pitchers do get a little rest down at the bottom with Boston, there is danger 1-9 with the Yanks and Rangers.
“Larry came out and asked, ‘Do you have a third pitch?’” Burnett recalled after the game. “And, yeah, it was a changeup, and it really helped me there.”
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo…..z1IT7z9nzo
Blake, I would flip flop Granderson and Swisher…………
HUUUGHESSS!!!
Crawford will start to hear it in Boston if he doesn’t start to hit soon….they questioned Ellsbury’s effort and toughness last year when he was hurt. They didn’t sign him to have a sub .700 OPS against lefties….but that’s what he’s been for his career. He’s a good player but I’m not sure he’s the difference maker that the Sox fans and media think that he is
Any thoughts on when CC’s next start will be? It seems (to me) that it makes sense to start him on Tues, then Garcia on Wed, so he’ll be lined up to start Sun against Boston. After that the off days make it easy to line the rotation back up again 1-5, if they so desire.
I woulnd’t flip flop anybody until Girardi needs to do something with the lineup.
It’s not Crawford’s fault that he’s being paid like a superstar – any team would like to have him, but that contract is going to put a target on his back. If he doesn’t play to that contract, will fans get on his case? I don’t think so as long as the Sox are winning
Betsy,
the reason for not doing that is putting 2 lefties back to back with Cano and Granderson……
I would probably go Cano, Swisher, Granderson, Posada, Martin…..I don’t think its a big issue.
Blake + MTU
Here is the video I took of Banuelos pitching yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U–x8DZYtF8
tyanks,
thanks for the video…looks like he’s playing catch
“Martin is without a doubt my favorite new addition to the team.”
Mine is Rothschild.
Betsy,
nah it’s not his fault….but he is the highest paid outfielder in history so Sox fans are going to expect him to have that sort of impact. He’s probably the 4th best player on their team IMO (Gonzalez, Youkalis, Pedroia).
Blake, that’s a good point……..ok, I like your lineup better then. Granderson is fast – I wish there was a way to take advantage of that without batting him at the top of the lineup
Betsy,
it’s called having too many good hitters……a nice problem to have
Good morning everyone.
G. Love,
Good post at 10:01. Martin could turn out to be one of the best signings. The pitchers seem to like working with him and his offense is an added bonus.
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tyanks,
And you do videos too
Nice recap of the final spring game yesterday.
Granderson could hit 3rd for a bunch of teams right now.
“Mine is Rothschild.”
If Martin continues to play well then you’re going to have to admit you were wrong about him.
It should come as no surprise that the Red Sox are having major issues with Texas this weekend. They’ve had a lot of issues with Texas the last couple of seasons.
They were 2-7 against Texas in 2009 and 4-6 against Texas in 2010.
Essentially, 3 of their 5 starters have no chance right now against that Texas lineup.
Craw
I would be happy to do that; I just want to win, although I still wouldn’t trade Montero, almost no matter what.
But I still think Rothschild will be, and has been, huge.
Great pitching matchup with 2 good young righties today. Scherzer is good. Interested to see Hughes’s new slider/cutter today….haven’t seen him throw since he introduced it.
Oh, and it’s not that I thought Martin would be bad. The questions relate to his durability. That will take some time to answer.
Blake, I like having nice problems – it’s the other kind that give me trouble!
Texas’s lineup is legit if they stay healthy……they’ll likely be competing with the Yankees at the deadline again to add a starter if the Yanks need one.
Wonder when Martin will get his first day off…..Yanks don’t have an off day until the 11th which is next monday…..I’m guessing Tuesday or Wednesday of this week.
I’d give him a day off when CC is pitching…………
I’d say Tuesday. Sabathia can throw to anyone.
This way Martin catches all the starters on their first start.
Fran
I aim to please
Glad you enjoyed it. I would be up at the complex this morning to see the final intrasquad games before they depart but we’re going to my grandparents to celebrate my grandpas 80th birthday.
Granderson is a better hitter than Swisher, so switch them in the order.
Martin is exactly what, I feel, Cervelli will turn into in a few years. We get lost in the offense by catcher numbers but a catcher like Martin is worth a half to a run off, pitchers’ ERAs and that’s not something you can quantify.
That Rothschild/Martin combo is pure gold. Love that Rothschild question “Do you have another pitch?”. AJ throwing nine changeups in a game is a Eureka moment. It’s Hosanna on the highest. Then, comes the Nova development phase, the ones coming after him. The Yankees finally have a catcher and a pitching coach, Hallelujah.
Martin brings an authority to his position. We know AJ needs a nursemaid and the Yankees finally got one. The only caveat is that Martin not get overworked and I have confidence the Girardi/Pena combo will look after that.
CC will probably pitch either Tuesday or Wednesday depending if they want him to go on regular or 5 days rest. My Guess is they throw Garcia on Tuesday and CC on Wednesday….Garcia has to pitch one of those days to give AJ 4 days rest before his next start.
Cervelli can’t sniff Martin’s offensive upside.
tyanks,
I’ll excuse you today since you have a good reason
Happy birthday to your grandpa.
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I might give Martin a day off on Thursday-day game after a night game.
RE:blake
I’ve been wondering the same thing myself. I’d like to see Martin catch Nova tomorrow then get a day off when Garcia gets his first start, but if CC starts Tues and Garcia Wed, Girardi might not want Martin to catch that many games in a row to open the year. Anyway, I’m hoping CC starts Tues (on 4 days rest) and Martin catches Nova/CC on Mon/Tues, so the #1-4 starters all get to pitch to their #1 catcher, and CC lines up to pitch next Sun (if you keep stay in order and pitch Garcia Tues, the CC misses the Boston series).
Stuckey,
they might throw CC on Tuesday just to keep him on regular rest but AJ can’t throw until Thursday so Garcia will have to throw one of those games by my count….I agree though, play Molina whenever CC throws because he can pitch to anyone and because they hopefully wont need to score as much that day.
Blake,
CC on Tuesday lines him up for Boston on Sunday. Garcia on Wednesday gives everyone the necessary rest.
ESPN’s schedule already has that alignment up. Don’t know if they are just guessing, but it’s a good guess.
And let’s not forget that a huge reason why the Yankees have won 4 WS with Posada at C is that they had a huge offensive advantage over other teams’ catchers.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/sc.....rk-yankees
stuckey,
makes sense…
And next Monday’s off-day provides an opportunity to get the rotation back to it’s natural 1-5 line-up.
RE: stuckey99
mlb.com also has CC as the probable starter Tues. I really think it’s the only way to go. It’s the difference between Hughes/Nova/Garcia or Hughes/Nova/CC next weekend in Fenway. The Mon off day after that lets you re-order the starters 1-5 on full rest if they want.
Good points….CC hates extra rest anyway.
The other critical phase is the development of young pitchers. The Yankees have a slew of them coming up. The Dodgers had a number of young pitchers develop under Martin’s tutelage. Again, Martin is just getting to know these pitchers and trying to establish himself but boy, he looks good. An hones to God catcher with the Yankees. Yeehah.
Its either Garcia or CC on Wednesday and it won’t be CC as he would miss the Boston series.
“An hones to God catcher with the Yankees. Yeehah.”
I’ll take the last 15 years of Posada over virtually any other catcher in MLB.
Fran
AJ is due to pitch next Thursday day game vs Minn and I doubt they have him pitch to Molina.
Maybe Wed. night when Freddy pitches will be his day of rest.
I’m thinking Wednesday with Garcia.
Side note….I think the NL West is going to be a lot of fun to watch this year. The Dodgers are going to be a lot better than people think, the Rockies are good, and of course the Giants have great pitching and 2 really exciting young players in Posey and Belt (who is going to be a stud, his swing is awesome).
Home runs are down right now but baseball in general is producing more young complete players than I can remember in a long time…..every year it seems several young guys that can play both ways are breaking in.
Please tell me the AJ and his catcher relationship narrative is not starting again.
If there is anything Yankee fans should have learned about AJ the past two years it is that his catcher has next to nothing to do with how he pitches.
Lackey looked great last night, great contract.
Where was Buccholz?
Granderson could hit 3rd for a bunch of teams right now
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He could hit 3rd for Boston.
If there is anything Yankee fans should have learned about AJ the past two years it is that his catcher has next to nothing to do with how he pitches.
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With AJ anything is possible, although he does seem very relaxed and gets points for gutting it through the 5th inning, he was obviously sick and struggling out there.
Lackey is a middling major league starter these days that happens to make 15 million a year…..of course you could say the same thing about AJ, but at least it’s been shown that AJ still can have plus stuff.
Along with the overall economic weakness, I think that’s also due to sabermetric thinking. GM have a better understanding of the dollar value of a marginal win.
Any pressure on Buchholz today to avoid 0-3?
It’s just 3 games, of course, but the Sawx fans will be hurtin if they do lose.
Unfortunately, I think the Sox take this game 8-4, but I’ve been wrong before, and I hope I’m wrong this time.
“He could hit 3rd for Boston.”
well he could but Crawford should be either….Youkalis or Gonzalez should be. That said, Granderson is a better player than Crawford right now….more power, plays CF, and can now hold his own against LHP.
*shouldn’t*
“Along with the overall economic weakness, I think that’s also due to sabermetric thinking.”
That’s probably true….either way, these young kids coming into the game can play.
Even though it’s Sunday, I’m not going to start preaching about the value of catchers, offense and so on. Cervelli was not given a chance to develop, thirty seven games at AA.
Posada was Posada. We’re here to honor Posada for all he meant to the Yankees not to demean him. Life goes on.
One point. Everyone praises the Genius Boston GM. Why do you think Varitek has hung around for so long on that ruthless Boston team. It sure isn’t for his offense. So why is he still there?
Following up on last night’s discussion of all the payroll coming off the Red Sox books (and is IS significant), the 2nd part of the equation is the 2012 free agent class, and besides the 1st basemen, the cupboard is pretty bare.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.c.....-2012.html
Yadier Molina has a 2012 club option. As does 2012 Chris Carpenter.
Only other things marginally attractive is perhaps Kubel or Cuddyer as a replacement for Drew, and maybe Heath Bell if they cut times with Papelbon.
But it seems more like a save-your-money-for-next-year type year. Though i can’t say I know who is lining up for that year.
Crawford steals bases at will though. Granderson’s the better value, no doubt. Crawford’s good but probably not worth that contract.
Good job by Sanchez yesterday throwing out two runners and playing good defense -see ya in Charleston Gary.
Boston does have money coming off but a point many miss is that unless you can replace those players cheaply from within….you often have to turn around and re-spend to replace them…..such is the case with Drew, Ortiz, Dice K, etc. They will either have to be re-signed or replaced.
Maybe Wed. night when Freddy pitches will be his day of rest.
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Mick,
Good idea. Didn’t think of it that way-give Martin the night off before the day game and then have the #5 starter pitch to the BUC.
Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2011 at 10:40 am
And let’s not forget that a huge reason why the Yankees have won 4 WS with Posada at C is that they had a huge offensive advantage over other teams’ catchers.
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It has in fact been so much a function of the way the Yankee lineup in particular has produced that some have a kind of amnesia about it being all that relevant or even ever having been there.
I think it’s the opposite of Bo Knows’ observation “we get lost ” in offense from the catcher position. If anything the opposite is true. Offense from catcher has become so systemically bound with New York Yankee offense in general that it almost goes unnoticed,as if it will just be there no matter who plays the position.
Blake
True. Neither Crawford nor Grandy shouts be hitting third.
Really don’t understand what Tito is thinking over there with Craw in the 3 hole.
“Cervelli was not given a chance to develop, thirty seven games at AA.”
Which is why he should be in the mL right now (at least when he is healthy), and at this point, any claim that he projects to be similar to Martin in terms of upside is not based on any hard evidence.
“Posada was Posada. We’re here to honor Posada for all he meant to the Yankees not to demean him. Life goes on.”
Your posts on this thread implicitly dissed him.
Bo knows April 3rd, 2011 at 10:37 am
Martin is exactly what, I feel, Cervelli will turn into in a few years.
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Bo–
I agree. I would be very happy with a catching duo of Martin & Cervelli for the next few years…with Romine possibly breaking in if good defensively. Montero can DH. And I’ll wait to actually see Sanchez play at AAA before he enters the conversation.
LGY,
I think he’s just trying to get his 6 best hitters in the 1-6 slots to be honest and is trying to break it up lefty/righty.
If they want Ellsbury to lead off then they either have to hit Crawford 3rd or 5th….or have back to back lefties.
“I agree. I would be very happy with a catching duo of Martin & Cervelli for the next few years…with Romine possibly breaking in if good defensively. Montero can DH. And I’ll wait to actually see Sanchez play at AAA before he enters the conversation.”
Romine hasn’t played a game at AAA and you have him in the equation.
Just sayin’
If there is anything Yankee fans should have learned about AJ the past two years it is that his catcher has next to nothing to do with how he pitches.
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It’s not just Martin, it’s Rothschild. Nine changeups in five innings, NINE. It’s a new day in the saga of the “Million dollar arm, ten cent….
Early as it may be, 2 games in the loss column is better than the alternative.
“It’s not just Martin, it’s Rothschild. ”
I agree. 9 Changeups and much better mechanically…
Not sure why Joe had to go here:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/
During spring training Joe Girardi said that Phil Hughes’velocity was between 88-90, confirming reports, including one from this site, that Hughes’ fastball was down. Girardi and Hughes said the velocity was the same as last year so thre was no real concern.
Still, the manager is “curious” about how hard Hughes will throw today.
“I don’t question if he will hit 90, you question if he will be up to the 93-94s that he was at last year,” Girardi said.
stuckey99 April 3rd, 2011 at 11:05 am
“I agree. I would be very happy with a catching duo of Martin & Cervelli for the next few years…with Romine possibly breaking in if good defensively. Montero can DH. And I’ll wait to actually see Sanchez play at AAA before he enters the conversation.”
Romine hasn’t played a game at AAA and you have him in the equation.
Just sayin’
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Valid point. Kill him.
9 or so changeups is really all AJ needs….he doesn’t have to throw it a lot to put it in hitter’s minds. It’ll make that 95 mph fastball and hammer curve even more effective and give him more leeway with mistakes.
It will be interesting to see, because late in ST last year, Phil was around 91-93, not 88-90. However, for a guy that claims velocity is no big deal, it’s sure puzzling why Joe would even wonder about this publicly. If Phil doesn’t hit 93-94 often today, then the media is going to make this an issue
I almost wish we still had Ross Ohlandorf (sp?) back on the team. Would love to hear Joey talk about the duo of Martini and Rossi.
AJ throwing his change makes AJ a different pitcher. His reluctance to use it may finally be at end with Rothschild around. It’s early yet,but it looks like we have a major plus at PC where it’s been a deficit the last few yrs.
All you gotta do is listen to AJ & Chamberlain talk about the guy & see how they’ve responded so far. It was warmer at the Stadium yesterday but there was still a chill & wind. Props to AJ for getting through five even though he looked & probably felt like a ghost.
In addition to just giving hitters a different look….AJ’s changeup is very good. I have no idea why he has avoided throwing it so much in his career.
Really don’t understand what Tito is thinking over there with Craw in the 3 hole.
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Crawford doesn’t want to hit leadoff or play CF.
Diva.
Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2011 at 10:38 am
Cervelli can’t sniff Martin’s offensive upside.
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I don’t even want to think about that picture.
If AJ can pitch with the control he had yesterday , he could win 20.
He was a different guy out there and under the influence of a bad cold.
He threw nice and easy, his stuff could be the best in baseball.
tyanksfan36 April 3rd, 2011 at 10:17 am
Blake + MTU
Here is the video I took of Banuelos pitching yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U–x8DZYtF8
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Thanks, tyf! Sanchez supposedly hit another shot today and Heathcott tripled. Banuelos is on course to start this Thursday in opener at NH and home in Trenton on the Sunday. Keep up the good work. You will have a whale of a team at Tampa this year. Marshall is supposed to open, I believe. Not sure if that is home or on the road. I’ll look forward to your report.
Heading to the Stadium, go Huuuuuuughesssssssssssss!
Well Francona isn’t batting Crawford 3rd today. He’s batting 7th.
“I don’t even want to think about that picture.”
I don’t even want to think about Cervelli in 2011.
Well Francona isn’t batting Crawford 3rd today. He’s batting 7th.
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Really?
yankeefem,
Have fun at the game
He is. WTF is Tito doing?
Nice confidence boost for your huge FA signing dropping him to 7th three games in.
Yes, LGY. According to Pete Abe on Twitter.
Yankeefem
Yes Marshall will open the season for Tampa, his mom told me he was going to, 2 weeks ago, but now that he started yesterday he will definitely make the first start. Its away and I won’t make it but I will be there for the home opener, not sure who will start that one. Have fun at the game today. You’ll have to do a guest post on my blog after you see either of the B’s pitch. Heard yesterday too that Suttle hit a home run.
Ellsbury CF Pedroia 2B Gonzalez 1B Youkilis 3B Ortiz DH Lowrie SS Crawford LF Saltalamacchia C McDonald RF
1000 runs. LMAO.
Heading to the Stadium, go Huuuuuuughesssssssssssss!
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. Good pitching matchup today we’re goin to see. We’re off, too. Go Yanks!
See you there, YF. Well, at least I will know you’re there
go yanks
Your posts on this thread implicitly dissed him.
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Oy, Okay I’ll take a swipe at both icons. Jeter does not have range, Posada was not a good catcher. He was at best average behind the plate and too confrontational with pitching staffs. The sun rises in the East. Reality is not good or bad, its reality. Something that is self evident, Posada has always been a terrible base runner. What does that have to do with who they are? The sum of their parts is that they are great ball players. They were great members of the Yankees. They are part of great Yankee teams. Both their records speak for themselves.
Martin is a better catcher, Posada is better offensively. And?
Predictions for C . B . today :
8 innings
1 hit
0 runs
9 K’s
C . B . , after all , is the 2011 A . L . Cy Young winner .
The Yankees are not going to turn Montero into a DH IMO. He is destined to be the backup catcher in 2012 and the starting catcher in the spring or mid 2013, or, he will be traded. Of course this will be influenced by Martin’s performance and health. Cervelli has value as a part time backup for Martin this year and that’s all. He should play as little as possible.
Is a lefty pitching for Texas? That would explain why CC is batting 7th.
Predictions for *dr**n G*nz*l*z today :
5 for 5
3 HR’s
5 RBI’s
*dr**n G*nz*l*z , after all , is the 2011 A . L . M . V . P .
AGon is their best hitter is why he’s not up 3rd.
Ortiz up to 5th vs a lefty?
I smell disarray.
Prediction for the game today :
R*d S*x — 10
Rangers — 0
The R*d S*x , after all , is the 2011 World Champions .
Health permitting, Martin is a better catcher period.
That is not dissing Posada. He is a better offensive catcher and contributed for 4WS.
L . o . l .
Matt Harrison , a lefty, is pitching for Texas.
Hey Romeo, Juliet dumped you?
Get out of here.
Come back when Sux win a game
“Health permitting, Martin is a better catcher period.
That is not dissing Posada. He is a better offensive catcher and contributed for 4WS”
Extending your logic, there have been numerous SS over the last 15 years that are better than Jeter because they are better at the position.
But baseball is about offense and defense combined, so rMartin isn’t in Posada’s universe just as most of the SS in MLB have not been in Jeter’s.
Rich–
Posada’s universe is getting very small…age and concussions have caught up to him.
But I agree with Bo–cause Bos have to stick together.
Martin is a better catcher when healthy. He may well be a step up from Jorge.
Jorge had 1 super year–2003…Aside from that year, I would take Martin’s 2007 production over Jorge.
BoJo
The point isn’t that Posada should catch now, it’s that he has been a near HoF catcher over his career. Martin will never come close to that.
It makes you wonder how good Burnett would have done if he were not gassed because of the deep cold he’s had for a week.
He may never have the changeup of Halladay but he doesn’t have to. He only needs to give hitters another thing to think about.
I just posted the same predictions on Peter Abraham’s blog .
L . o . l .
Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2011 at 11:51 am
BoJo
The point isn’t that Posada should catch now, it’s that he has been a near HoF catcher over his career. Martin will never come close to that.
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Ok–I can but that argument. Martin would have to match his peak year for the next 10 years to be worthy, and I wouldn’t bet my house on that.
AGON to be impaled by a broken bat today, in the skull! If you believe it, it will happen!
Martin is just 28. He’s already had two outstanding years at a time when Posada was just breaking in. Let’s give it a little time.
Jeden are you for real?
Posada has OPS’d over 9 three times in his career.
His lifetime OPS is higher than Martin’s best season.
Like Rich said, he us not even in Posada’w universe.
I will still take a great defensive catcher combo like what I believe Martin and Cervelli can provide over anything. Until Sanche and Romine knocks down the walls to make the roster, I hope this combo stays and Montero DHs.
*is* *Posada’s*
Of course. I wouldn’t mind, though, if Clay got the broken bat to the skull. That’d hurt their team more!
Lgy–
I place a high premium on defense for catching…perhaps more than most. I would take the better glove if Martin was able to put up his 2007 numbers all the time.
Jeden–
What did you think of the umpiring yesterday?
Okay a freebie.
“What kind of name is Bo”?
“Well, you know, Bo Diddly”
“Oh, yeah”.
“Well I don’t”.
Part of my in stock, material.
Feel free to use it, as long as you reference the source.
B . T . W . ,
I also predicted the R*d S*x would start the season 36 – 5 and C . B. would have a 1.33 E . R . A . for the 2011 season .
Echo . Romeo . Returns April 3rd, 2011 at 11:52 am
I just posted the same predictions on Peter Abraham’s blog .
L . o . l .
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Yeah, that’s “funny,” Ruby.
Go press your mom jeans, idiot.
BTW–I do think it will be a close call for Jorge to make HOF…may eventually get in.
BoJo
I place a high premium on winning for catching, so I would take Posada all the time.
Comparing Martin favorably with Posada? You have to be kidding me. Great catchers are known for their offense no matter what their defensive skills are. Mike Piazza, Mickey Cochrane, Roy Campanella, Yogi Berra, Bill Dickey, Johnny Bench, Carlton Fisk, Gary Carter, etc.
Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2011 at 12:02 pm
BoJo
I place a high premium on winning for catching, so I would take Posada all the time.
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Winning starts with great pitching, and a great defensive catcher can save a run a game.
Umpiring was fair yesterday. The most fair it’s been in a long long time.
I was thinking during yesterday’s game, when we get treated fairly, we dominate. Like yesterday.
Ruby-
Just forward your prognostications to the No One Gives a Sh*t Dept.
It’d be a real time saver for all of us.
West Coast Yankee Fan April 3rd, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Comparing Martin favorably with Posada? You have to be kidding me. Great catchers are known for their offense no matter what their defensive skills are. Mike Piazza, Mickey Cochrane, Roy Campanella, Yogi Berra, Bill Dickey, Johnny Bench, Carlton Fisk, Gary Carter, etc.
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John, what you have just said, is one of the most insanely idiotic things i’ve ever heard, At no point during your rambling, incoherant response, were you even close to anything that could have been considered a rational thought. Everyone in this blog is now dumber having read it. i award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....&NR=1
Let’s see….
Jim Pir = CRnine = Behold = Fitness
What other names are we missing?
Gotta love how someone has to change his name more often than he changes his underwear just to post in this forum.
Fitnesscenter For-Jeden April 3rd, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Umpiring was fair yesterday. The most fair it’s been in a long long time.
I was thinking during yesterday’s game, when we get treated fairly, we dominate. Like yesterday.
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Are you the poster that used to complain last year about the umpiring?
Dont forget 100RIX!
I dont wear underwear, though. I generally go commando.
Ron Karkovice was probably the best defensive catcher of all times. Who? Exactly.
Yes, Bojo. – CRnine!
HOF catchers
Johnny Bench
.267
.345
.476
2,048
389
1,376
1,091
68
Yogi Berra
.285
.350
.482
2,150
358
1,430
1,175
30
Roger Bresnahan
.279
.386
.377
1,252
26
530
682
212
Roy Campanella
.276
.362
.500
1,161
242
856
627
25
Gary Carter
.262
.335
.439
2,092
324
1,225
1,025
39
Mickey Cochrane
.320
.419
.478
1,652
119
832
1,041
64
Bill Dickey
.313
.382
.486
1,969
202
1,209
930
36
Buck Ewing
.303
.351
.456
1,625
71
883
1,129
354
Rick Ferrell
.281
.378
.363
1,692
28
734
687
29
Carlton Fisk
.269
.343
.457
2,356
376
1,330
1,276
128
Gabby Hartnett
.297
.370
.489
1,912
236
1,179
867
28
Ernie Lombardi
.306
.358
.460
1,792
190
990
601
8
Ray Schalk
.253
.340
.316
1,345
11
594
579
177
“Winning starts with great pitching, and a great defensive catcher can save a run a game.”
BoJo
I disagree. Winning starts with finishing the game with a score that exceeds that of your opponent. That can be done with offense, defense, and/or pitching.
Posada contributed more to all of that than most catchers in the history of the game.
Again, if defense is the be all and end all, then SS defense should matter a lot too, yet I mostly hear Posada dissed for defense by Yankee fans, and not Jeter.
Interesting move by Francona to hit Crawford 7th in the 3rd game of the season….however that’s probably where he should hit against LHP.
It was a big development about AJ’s throwing his change yesterday but the bigger story was his breaking ball. The one he threw Vmart was classic AJ and was the one he destoryed Howard with in the 2009 WS…(12-6 with incredible depth)….not the one that he was hitting RH hitters in the foot with last year because he was getting on the side of it.
Posada is a HOFer in my book….but that doesn’t mean I don’t like what Martin is doing now.
Brad your baseball acumen is a zero. Go propose trading Cano for Hill again why don’t you and push for moving A-Rod to right and dumping Swisher. Your baseball comments and predictions over time have been the dumbest imaginable.
The catchers I named were great primarily due to their offense; that some were great defensively was an added bonus. Are you telling me that with Berra’s and Bench’s offensive numbers they wouldn’t have been in the HOF if they were average defensively. You are an idiot.
After a mere two games, some on this board are ready to annoint the Martin/Cervelli combo (with Cervelli on the DL, mind you) as the second coming of Bill Dickey/Yogi Berra. Get real. Let’s see how Martin holds up and whether he’s hitting like he did in 2009-2010 or how he did earlier. Let’s see if he can throw out base stealers. And let’s see if Cervelli remembers how to catch as he did in 2009, not as he did in 2010.
Rich–
Posada is a much worse defensive player than Jeter.
I could go into detail as to why I did not like Jorge’s defense and would be willing to give up a little offense for the better glove, but really–why bother? You are entitled to your own opinion and I have mine.
Posada’s age 28 season, same age Marin is this year:
.287, 28 home runs, .943OPS, 139OPS+. He also threw out 33% of would be base-stealers.
Posada belongs in the Pantheon of Great Yankee Catchers. Bill Dickey, Yogi, Howard, Munson, Posada.
Pudge Rodriguez was the best defensive catcher ever, especially in his prime.
“Officer Karkovice” as the imbecile Hawk Harrelson used to call him – was a backup catcher for the White “trash” Sox for about 10 years in the 80s and 90s.
He was an outstanding defender but he could barely hit his weight.
Oh, how I loathe that franchise.
BoJo
Based on what?
John–
If you like, I can go get info that Jose put together on all the stupid comments you have made in the last two years alone. You are a moron. There are like 30 different things you said which are still drawing laughs whenever the list is read.
But why bother? No one cares about your opinions. Few respond to your comments. Everyone can see how you try to confront me, and how you continue to act like a troll.
So, NO ATTENTION FOR YOU TODAY. Go away.
Crawford hitting 7th? I don’t think anyone had that in mind when he was signed.
Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2011 at 12:16 pm
BoJo
Based on what?
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Posada IMO does a poor job framing pitches and getting calls, does a poor job blocking balls, does not inspire confidence in pitchers like AJ and Joba, did not halt running game most of his career, was never a plate blocker, and had bad breath.
New Jersey’s own Ron Karkovice.
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Montero and the killer B’s for Harper, Joba is an Ace. Trade for Santana. Childish nicknames that no one pays any attention too. Inane, dumb, lame jokes that DON’T attract others attention.
Go watch Romper Room George.
Tom–I agree JP had a few great years….and some years he even had a good coach to help him with throwing out runners.
Let me put it this way–for this pitching staff, I would prefer a catcher like Martin to Posada in his average years. This staff is built on power pitching to get strikeouts, but has some pitchers needing more guidance. I believe Martin is the better catcher for that.
Brad you have always been a laughing stock – from your plagiarism of Buster Olney to your absurd lack of baseball knowledge and ridiculous opinions. There are so many examples it’s beyond credulity. Get lost little child.
What a surprise! Vinnie shows up when John’s feelings are hurt.
I wonder why no one has taken up the invitation for a conference call…Oh, I know. No one cares about you or even if you are one or ten people. No one likes a humorless troll.
John–you continue to lie in statements and try to pass them off as ceredible accusations. Hint–everyone knows you are a pathological liar, and no one cares. Bye.
BTW–I love it that my humor seems to irritate you!!
I’ll make sure to keep it up.
Brad you are a joke to me and countless others. I laugh at you.
New Post.
Nothing you do irritates me in the least – game day. Done wasting my time with you. You can have the last word baby. Dismissed.
Bojo, I unfortuantely don’t have time to do it now because I am going to be going out soon but there are tons of articles on the internet about Posada’s problems behind the plate, about problems he’s had with calling games, etc. I will try to link to a few. I absolutely agree with what you are saying, and so do a lot of others out there.
You might want to start with this one.
http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....n-baseball
I’ve always been a fan of Posada’s bat. His stubbornness I don’t believe always served him well behind the dish. It isn’t totally unknown that Yankee pitchers had a much easier time with Molina (and better results) than with Posada.
Those who want to annoint Posada the next pope have difficulty hearing ANYTHING about him other than he is totally perfect.
Enjoy the game.
GO YANKEES!!!
GO RANGERS!!!
Huge difference between good humor and being a complete idiot, but then again you are the king of idiocy Georgie boy. If you can’t find Romper Room try Captain Kangaroo.
You are not funny, constantly make dumb comments and have zero sense of REAL humor.