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Sabathia’s good work wasted

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Apr 06, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Last night’s 5-4 loss in 10 to the Twins turned into a story about the bullpen melting down, overshadowing how good CC Sabathia was. You can’t waste starting pitching like that, especially when you have a 4-0 lead going to the eighth.

The third-place finisher in last year’s AL Cy Young voting looked in Cy Young form.

The lefty could be 2-0 already instead of having two no-decisions. He gave up three runs in six innings against the Tigers on Opening Day, and then improved in his second start, showing great command of his fastball in the cold while working on a two-hit shutout through seven. Sabathia put down the final 17 Twins that he faced.

“I feel a lot better this year,” Sabathia said. “I’ve been able to command my pitches and use both sides of the plate. … I’m still struggling with my changeup a little bit, but we’ll work on that in the bullpen.”

Sabathia took everything in stride, from Joe Girardi pulling him after 104 pitches (“I know Joe and how he is early in the season. He’s just trying to protect us.”) to Rafael Soriano and David Robertson blowing his four-run lead (“The bullpen is really the strength of our team. Nine times out of 10 they’re going to come in and shut the door.”).

Now Sabathia will look for his first win Sunday night in Boston against the team perceived to be the AL East favorite — the conclusion of the early three-game showdown. The Red Sox are off to a slow start, losing all four of their games.

“I’m looking for it to be fun,” Sabathia said. “It’s always fun. It’s exciting to hook up with those guys. It’s just another big series. You always want to win the games in your division. That’s the first step in winning the division. It starts on Friday night.”

There are still two games to go against Minnesota. Tonight, if the forecasted showers don’t get in the way, Freddy Garcia will make his Yankees regular-season debut, his first chance to show that they made the right choice in naming him the fifth starter over Bartolo Colon.

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222 Responses to “Sabathia’s good work wasted”

  1. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    The case for the opt-out and/or leverage to gain a contractual enhancement is looking pretty good.

  2. Mell April 6th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    “The case for the opt-out and/or leverage to gain a contractual enhancement is looking pretty good”

    Sure is.

  3. Mike Ri April 6th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    A nice win tonight will wipe away last nights loss !

  4. Erin April 6th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    I heart CC :)

  5. Erin April 6th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    russell_martin Check my man Tex. out on Twitter @teixeiramark25

  6. Mell April 6th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Son of a B*tch!!!!

    Adam Dunn with the appendectomy this week. I’ll be searching the waiver wire for for that freakin’ Hawaiian dude on the Royals.

  7. pat April 6th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Low ERA and low win total? CC’s gonna think he’s playing in Seattle. :wink:

  8. LGY April 6th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    So why Soriano in a 4-0 game?

    “Soriano is my eighth-inning guy,” the manager said. “By no means is a four-run game in the bag, as we just saw.”

    ——————

    Maybe he does plan on using Sori for 107 innings like Mo in 96 :???:

  9. upstate kate April 6th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    obliques and appendectomies are this year’s injuries…Holliday thinks he will be back this weekend

  10. blake April 6th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    What’s up with all the appendix issues.

  11. jacksquat April 6th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    I really don’t care if a player sticks around to talk about how much he sucked after the game.

    And “he’s my eight inning guy” is exactly what I expected Joe to say. No excuse for leaving a pitcher out there who clearly isn’t right, nevermind that there wasn’t a reason for him to be out there in the first place.

  12. blake April 6th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Pounding Pavano tonight certainly would make me feel better.

  13. MTU April 6th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Blake-

    Just check the injury report and either look it up in the table of contents or the “appendix”.

    I’m sure you’ll find the answer there.

    ;)

    Go to run.

  14. Don Vito A. Bellamo April 6th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Plain and simple, Girardi’s DECISION to use and stick with and obviously tired and ineffective Soriano was the reason we even had a CHANCE to lose this game. Start counting now……ONE….This is the first game of the season that is on Jughead for the “L”. Hopefully there won’t be many of this year.

  15. Mell April 6th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Back to backs didn’t seem too big a deal for Soriano. If my count is right, he did it 22 times last year. Even pitched 4 nights in a row on two separate occasions. Still don’t think last night’s 8th inning was the spot for soriano, but back to backs certainly aren’t a foreign concept to him.

  16. blake April 6th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Positives :

    Tex continues to look great early.

    Sabathia despite being mad at himself the entire game dominated a good Twins lineup for 7 innings. His stuff looks likes its progressing nicely….he’s.just a stud.

    Rivera threw another scoreless inning.

    Jones hit a homer

    Its 1/162th of the season…..

  17. Tom in N.J. April 6th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qp8j.....2B2011.jpg

  18. Guru Man April 6th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Girardi screwed this up royally. I agree 100% with this guys take. http://www.stevewigdor.blogspot.com/
    CC should have stayed in the game for even a few more batters, but you don’t give the other team life. a 4 run lead is OK for Soriano to be in the game, but with a 4-0 lead is different than a 10-6 lead; Soriano was probably not ready. I assuem Soriano and Rivera are not available tonight?

    Rich, what did you mean by the opt out clause looks good? Wouldn’t you think another good year by Soriano would make him more likely to opt out? I think Rivera pitching well again would also be a factor, but if Soriano pitches poorly, he won’t opt out?

  19. upstate kate April 6th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Tom
    :)
    how is Mr Cuddles?

  20. LGY April 6th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    It’s going to be really annoying if the horrible bullpen management last night affects the game tonight.

  21. Mell April 6th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Guru:

    I think Rich was referencing Sabathia’s opt out.

  22. upstate kate April 6th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    CC was at 104 pitches early in the season on a cold and windy night. I see no reason why he shouldn’t have been taken out, especially since the BP has been so good.

  23. Tom in N.J. April 6th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Kate, Mr Cuddles is doing very well. I think his favorite Yankee is Jorge. I was intoducing him to the Yankees over the weekend and he tilted his head when I would say “Do you like Jorge?”

    I need to find him a Yankee dog sweater.

  24. Mike Ri April 6th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Im not sure how Joe “mis-managed” the bullpen last night .

  25. Guru Man April 6th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Mell, Thanks, that makes more sense. Maybe I am in the minority but i am not worried about CC opting out; I feel he likes it here

  26. UnKnown April 6th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    One thing that I really hate is everytime we face Pavano example tonight and the previous two times in the postseason, there are all these articles written about how the Yankee players don’t hold a grudge against him for what happened in NY etc.

    I know fans get caught up in all this stuff way more than the players do, but it would be at least nice to pay Pavano back a little bit tonight for him sitting on his butt and collecting a huge check, while all the other players were busting their tails for their checks.

    One Time I would like to light this fraud up.

  27. pat April 6th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Audio of Tex with Boomer and Carton this morning

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/20.....nt-for-me/

  28. blake April 6th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    No way Sabathia should have gone back out for the 8th. It was cold, its early in the season, and he was already over 100 pitches. Sure he could have…..he could have thrown the 9th as well likely if asked but the Yanks have a deep own and had a 4 run lead. CC did his job…..

  29. Triple Short of a Cycle April 6th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Mike Ri,

    Well lets see. In a classic Joe Torre move he brings in Soriano with the team up by 4 which knocks him out of todays game. I assume if he would have gotten out of the 8th still up Rivera comes in which knocks him out for today leaving Joba to close. Soriano clearly didn’t have it fromt he first pitch yet Torre I mean Girardi leaves him in to implode. Then instead of leaving Robertson in to pitch the 9th and using Rivera for the 10th you bascially had the 9th and only the 9th to score to win since as soon as Rivera left the game it was over

  30. Triple Short of a Cycle April 6th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    UnKnown,

    Yankees rarely speak their minds. Its why I find Swisher so refreshing

  31. blake April 6th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    I think CC will opt out but I think it will be announced as him signing an extension to.his current deal…..so I think that will get done before we ever knew he exercised the opt out clause.

  32. Guru Man April 6th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Upstate Kate – 104 pitches is not a lot. You are talking about a guy who routinely throws 115 pitches and who had a low total game 1. For the record, CC threw 111 opening day last year. The main issue is the fact he was cruising and while you don;t want to wear CC out, there is nothing wrong with him throwing 110-115 pitches if nobody is getting on base against him; you want to win the game and not give the other team life. The other issue with bringing Soriano in is what happens in the 9th? Do you bring Rivera in? Now you have lost both your 8th and 9th inning guys for the next game (would be 3 in a row) because you didn’t let CC throw 110-115 pitches.

  33. 108 stitches April 6th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    I believe Soriano’s mindset would have been better by pitching the 9th inning to show he’s still got a closer’s mentality. Mariano wasn’t expected to be used last night. A mix & match of Robertson and Logan could have worked better in the 8th inning.
    Girardi found out that Luis Ayala can be an option for the time he’ll be on the roster.

  34. bruceb April 6th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    I was shocked by the lack of atmosphere – and fans for that matter – at the Stadium last night. Did everyone leave after the second inning? I guess this is the way of the world these days. Tickets go the corporate fat cats rather than the real fans, who actually want to watch the game up to its conclusion. Sad.

  35. JM April 6th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    I agree with not putting CC back out there in the 8th. But my problem with Joe, as others have stated much more eloquently than I will, is that he left Soriano out there to fail when it was quite obvious from the start that he just didn’t have it last night. DRob was basically brought into a no-win situation; he’s not exactly a control pitcher and he comes in with bases loaded…

    Well, it’s just one game. Time to get back at it tonight and get rid of the sour taste from last night.

  36. Guru Man April 6th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    108, I agree with you.

    BruceB, a lot of people left after the 7th inning because it was cold

  37. Guru Man April 6th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    JM, we have seen this scenario play out time and time again; once the started comes out the bullpen gets hit. You stick with the hot hand as long as you can because you never know who doesn;t have it. Girardi painted himself into a corner by taking CC out and then bringing in Soriano; he had no out plan. Honestly, bringing in Rivera in the 8th was a better option than Robertson. That was the key inning and Girardi never played his ace in the hole until it was too late.

  38. bruceb April 6th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Guru Man April 6th, 2011 at 10:06 am
    108, I agree with you.

    BruceB, a lot of people left after the 7th inning because it was cold

    Shame the team did too!

  39. Mell April 6th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    “Maybe I am in the minority but i am not worried about CC opting out; I feel he likes it here”

    Opt out won’t have anything to do with whether he likes it here (which I agree he does). It has to do about positioning himself as a free agent at the age 31, rather than 35. Opt out presents him the opportunity to extend his present contract another 2-3 seasons, that may not be there when he’s 35 years old. That said, I think he opts out and re-signs with the Yankees or the Yankees extend him 2-3 seasons before he opts out.

  40. pat April 6th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    There were over 5000 seats on Stubhub for last nights game and there were $1 tickets.

    All the “real” fans who have been “priced out of the stadium” could have been there. Where were they?

  41. J. Alfred Prufrock April 6th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Mike Ri April 6th, 2011 at 9:52 am
    Im not sure how Joe “mis-managed” the bullpen last night .

    ///
    All I know is, my wife shouts from the kitchen “who are they bringing in?” for the eighth & I reflexively answer “Robertson.” Very surprising to see Soriano & reflexively I say “you kidding??”

    For one thing, Soriano ain’t used to the cold & he pitched the day before. What I found ironic was Joe’s defensive reply when someone asked him why did he go & get Soriano (out of the game) & he said “He’d thrown 19 pitches….it’s April 5…” I’m like, yea Joe, & he pitched the day before, so why wasn’t D-Rob in there to begin

    It’s not that it’s mis-management,it’s just being formulaic over being smart.

    P.S. I got no problem at all with Soriano blowing off the press. Better he cools off then says something regrettable to a bunch of vultures waiting to swoop. He’s not the kind of guy to make nice with the media any way, so they may as well get used to it. If he talked to no one, no one gets beat so they have no complaint IMO.

  42. blake April 6th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    CC is likely going to opt out….but I just think the net result will be 2-3 years added onto his current deal…..which is fine with me.

  43. LGY April 6th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    There were over 5000 seats on Stubhub for last nights game and there were $1 tickets.

    —–

    You didnt even need a dollar. I saw a couple tickets for 89 cents!

  44. ADam April 6th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    What did the 12 million dollar version of Kyle Farnesworth have to say for himself last night???

  45. G. Love April 6th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    It’s one game and it’s over, but I’d be lying to you if I didn’t blame boyscout Joe for this loss. Yes, Soriano came in and spit the bit, but that inning was Dave Robertsen’s from jump street. If he can’t be trusted to protect a 4 run lead then he has no business being on the team in the first place.

    Girardi is stubborn and is awful with the media. His in game strategy leaves something to be desired, but no one is perfect. That said, if the players like him it doesn’t matter.

    But if he keeps giving away games like last night because he’s a slave to what the computer printed out and told him to do and ignores what he and everyone else is seeing, he’s eventually going to lose these players.

    Soriano clearly wanted off that mound last night. Girardi just tilted his chin up like a little emperor and refused to deal with what was happening on the field until he had no choice.

    Soriano and Girardi blew the game last night. As someone said above, that’s 1 on this season for Girardi. After watching him give up home field advantage last season like it was trivial I really believe the guy overthinks everything and the voice in his head is a stubborn mule.

  46. Irreverent Discourse April 6th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    pat – the good news is there will be plenty of full and partial season ticket plans available next year when the stubhub jockeys move out of the market.

  47. Tom in N.J. April 6th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Fat Cats make me long for a grease truck sandwich

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock April 6th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    The worst ambassador for keeping guys is our chilly April weather. Cano’s slow bat & probably Jete’s too will warm up when the weather does. I bet the reason the team seems to have a collective cold (AJ’s head cold or what ever) is the dramatic change in temperature from Tampa to here. The weekend games felt more like October,but at least in the fall you’ve already played all season long.

  49. Joe from Long Island April 6th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    blake – if he does, it will for business ($$$) reasons. Nothing wrong with that, if you have the chance for more money, why not. But, I get the impression he wants to stay in NY. As you said, more money and years on his deal.

    It’s called free market.

  50. G. Love April 6th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    And I also have no issue with Soriano blowing off the press. The radio morons and the print media will make this out to be some capital offense, but if anyone from the Yankees checks in here, let Soriano know the real fans could care less if he stood at his locker to “Face the music” last night.

    I’d rather he be pissed off and leave and put it behind him then stand there and do a mea culpa for his managers moronic decision last night.

  51. bruceb April 6th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    It’s one game and it’s over, but I’d be lying to you if I didn’t blame boyscout Joe for this loss. Yes, Soriano came in and spit the bit, but that inning was Dave Robertsen’s from jump street. If he can’t be trusted to protect a 4 run lead then he has no business being on the team in the first place.

    That sums it up perfectly. Bringing in Mariano for the 9th just compounded Girardi’s poor handling of the situation. It was a classic case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

  52. mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Soriano told Girardi, in so many words, that he is not used to being brought into a mop up role, which is what it was. Like someone said a 4-0 lead i not the same as a 10-6 lead. When was the last time he was brought into a game like his where a Robertson would have done fine?

    You can be sure Girardi won’t do it again. I give him this one…it’s a long season and some things are experimental and this one failed.

  53. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    “The bullpen is really the strength of our team. Nine times out of 10 they’re going to come in and shut the door.”
    ——————————————————————-

    CC-I hope you’re right, because so far the two losses are attributed to the bullpen not doing their job, the first by not letting the Yanks get back into the ballgame after a poor showing by Hughes, and last night.

  54. mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Cano is swinging at bad pitches. He got off to a great start finally last year because he did not expand the zone. Now he is doing it again.

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock April 6th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Soriano clearly wanted off that mound last night. Girardi just tilted his chin up like a little emperor and refused to deal with what was happening on the field until he had no choice.

    ///
    Lol. Funny image & apt. yea he’s not good with the media. I don’t care too much about that, except he’s getting defensive over really reasonable questioning. If you did it & you believe in it,you don’t need to act so put upon.The D-Rob thing is troubling because he’s walking into bases loaded without having worked much at all.

    Helps that Tampa & Boston keep losing,though it would have been nice to gain another game on both & draw closer to O’s/Jays.

    Highlights of Josh FB looking like BP. Always a comfort.

  56. Patrick April 6th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Soriano is a bit of a prima donna.

    He refused to pitch against teams in the AL East during spring training. After one outing he said it was his last for the spring, then Girardi made him throw again. Now he doesn’t like pitching a 4-0 game because it’s a “mop-up” role? And he doesn’t show up to face the music after he blows it? Give me a break dude, you aren’t that good.

  57. Mell April 6th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    “I’d rather he be pissed off and leave and put it behind him then stand there and do a mea culpa for his managers moronic decision last night’

    His manager didn’t throw the pitches. Right or wrong, and we agree that it was probably not right, once he’s sent into the game, he has a job to do. In this case he failed miserably. That’s not Girardi’s fault. He should have stuck around like fellow bullpen breakdown culprits Robertson and Logan did and faced the music.

  58. Irreverent Discourse April 6th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    mick – actually not true, cano is swinging at less pitches outside the zone so far this season.

  59. J. Alfred Prufrock April 6th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Worry about Cano is wasted. He doesn’t like the cold.

  60. UnKnown April 6th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Mick that is right on. Cano is just hacking away with what doesn’t look like to be much of a plan.

  61. Irreverent Discourse April 6th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    mick – the problem is he’s not missing any of the pitches outside the zone he swings at, 90% contact rate.

  62. pat April 6th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    I think keeping Soriano in the 8th inning last night might have been about mindset and similiar to what they tried to do with Jorge in ST- think like the position you are being asked to play this year and not what you were.

    Girardi stressing, “He’s our 8th inning guy” sounded an awful lot like the “He’s our DH” or even “he’s our SS” messages we have heard alot in the last few months.

  63. Irreverent Discourse April 6th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    hate to burst your cano bubble with facts but…

    http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....discipline

    He’s swinging at pitches outside the zone 10% less than he has for his career. The problem is his 90% contact rate on those pitches inducing weak contact.

    he’s not “hacking at bad pitches” in the slightest.

  64. Joe from Long Island April 6th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Interesting how so many people were in that locker room last night, and know the conversations between Joe, the coaching staff, and Soriano. It must have been quite crowded.

  65. Against All Odds April 6th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Cano will be fine

  66. Mgumpher April 6th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    The last year that Torre managed the Yankees there were about 8 or 9 games that his management cost the team.

    Girardi cost them one last night and with Garcia pitching, he burned the bullpen a bit. Soriano isn’t coming in, or at least shouldn’t. Mariano shouldn’t be pushed into a third game in a row.

    Costing a game is bad enough, but then going to an extra inning and using 80 pitches to get the last outs after CC left is absurdity. While some is on the pitching, it was a move that should have been corrected far earlier than he did.

  67. mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Soriano, like Tex this year, had something to prove last year. They put their minds to it and got off to a great start. Eliminated bad habits. Cano is swinging like a prima dona , as if he is a batting champion, and he is not.

    Before you know it a month will be gone and he will totally mired in bad habits again.

    Like Girardi learned last night, although this team is good, it is not a push button operation.
    Some thought is required.

  68. blake April 6th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Last night’s loss stings but if Joe learns from it and it helps prevent the same thing from happening in a later and more important game then that could be a silver lining.

  69. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    How is Girardi responsible for this loss? I’m still so confused. The guy brings in the second best closer on the team with a 3 run lead and that makes him an idiot?

  70. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Joe-

    I think Soriano, who went straight to the locker room after being lifted was long gone before the game ended.

    The Angels sure could use a closer. Jered Weaver for Soriano? :)
    The White Sox for Danks?

  71. mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Sure he’s making contact…he would have made contact last year IF HE SWUNG at those pitches too. He like Guerrerro can hit any pitch BUT WHY SWING at em is my point???

  72. BIG AL April 6th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    First, I love Joe Girardi, and have defended him here many times.

    Last night Joe over-managed the game bringing in Soriano with a 4 run lead, you don’t take innings out of his arm in a situation like that.

    Its tough to bring D-Rob into the game with bases loaded, and the game on the line, as abused to starting the 8th inning clean.

    If the BP pitchers are not going to be used properly in these situations, they’ll not keep sharp, and when you need them later, they most likely don’t get the job done.

    A loss now is as important as a loss in September, but mostly I feel for CC not getting a win he earned last night.

    Why did no one see what was happening after the first 2 batters walked, why no mound visit, who knows?

  73. 4 NYY April 6th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Yanks need another situational lefty in the bullpen.

    Horrible loss last night…… but that’s baseball, sometimes.

    Twins prolly think they’re on a roll now in N.Y. (they could be )

  74. mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    How is Girardi responsible for this loss? I’m still so confused. The guy brings in the second best closer on the team with a 3 run lead and that makes him an idiot?
    ==============
    Shame….Soriano is a prima dona, again he is telling Girardi don’t bring me in in this situation again. He has a closer’s mentality.

  75. J. Alfred Prufrock April 6th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Cano swings like a “prima donna”

    Soriano is “a bit of a prima donna”

    Ok, that’s enough blog time for me.

    Time for a coffee rescue…

    Good one, all.

  76. BIG AL April 6th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    dah … opposed not abused

  77. upstate kate April 6th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Soriano was the league leader in saves last season…he has one bad outing and we are ready to kick him to the curb? Really?

  78. I Like Inge April 6th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Shame Spencer April 6th, 2011 at 10:34 am
    How is Girardi responsible for this loss? I’m still so confused. The guy brings in the second best closer on the team with a 3 run lead and that makes him an idiot?

    —————-

    He’s not responsible. Fans are just bugging out. The team lost the game. They got outplayed at the end. Move on to the next game. Still an opportunity to get 3 out of 4 and thats the goal vs. the Twins.

  79. Wave Your Hat April 6th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Last night was on Soriano, not Girardi. And for $10M this year to be the set-up guy, talk to the press rain or shine for crying out loud.

  80. mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    How would Mo have felt being brought in in that spot?
    Any novice could see CC had another inning in him.
    Maybe they score some more in bottom of 8th.
    WHY USE SoMo if you don’t have to?
    Just a lesson to be learned, kinda glad we got it out of the way.

  81. mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Just because your team is great doesn’t mean you have to be a push button Mgr.

  82. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Is this the Yankee lineup tonight?

    Gardner LF
    Jeter SS
    Tex 1B
    A-Rod DH
    Cano-2B
    Swisher RF
    Chavez 3B
    Granderson CF
    Molina C

  83. upstate kate April 6th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    and if CC had been left in for the 8th and struggled, how many would be calling for Girardi’s head?

  84. mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    ok prufrock what is your interpretation?
    sorry if my words offended you

  85. Patrick April 6th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    How is Girardi responsible for this loss? I’m still so confused. The guy brings in the second best closer on the team with a 3 run lead and that makes him an idiot?

    —-

    Because it was obvious Soriano had nothing from pitch #1. He should have taken Soriano out

  86. 4 NYY April 6th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    If Soriano doesn’t have a good year, he won’t be going anywhere.

    Not pitching against the A.L. East in ST, like they haven’t faced him before ?

    These guys need to pitch more inn. in the spring, not less.

    Would be nice to hammer Pavano and not stop at 4 runs !

    Twins could be hammerin’ back today against Garcia.

  87. mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    They got outplayed at the end. Move on to the next game. Still an opportunity to get 3 out of 4 and thats the goal vs. the
    ===================
    A pop fly dropped. Soriano was squeezed.

  88. blake April 6th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    I think its on Soriano and Girardi…..Soriano for not performing and Girardi for not acting when it was clear he wasn’t performing. Either way….its over with…..time to.move on

  89. Patrick April 6th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Last night was on Soriano, not Girardi. And for $10M this year to be the set-up guy, talk to the press rain or shine for crying out loud.

    Soriano didn’t do his job, he looked tired (which is his fault for not pushing it harder in the spring) but Girardi didn’t do his job either. He left Soriano out there way too long, it was a massive mistake.

  90. mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    He should have taken Soriano out
    ========================
    Why bring him in?

  91. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    But mick.. really? So that was Soriano sending a message, huh? If thats the case (which I honestly don’t think it is) then if I’m Girardi I send a message right back and throw him out there in the 8th the next time we’re up a few runs.

    There was no reason for CC to stay in. He did his job. With all the arms in the pen that we have, the win should’ve been ours. If Soriano can’t pitch with a lead, what the hell is he good for, exactly?

  92. Irreverent Discourse April 6th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    mick – Sure he’s making contact…he would have made contact last year IF HE SWUNG at those pitches too

    I don’t follow what you said at all. Cano is swinging at less bad pitches so far this season than he ever has at any point in his career.

  93. mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    and if CC had been left in for the 8th and struggled, how many would be calling for Girardi’s head?
    ===========
    If he struggles then you pull him….at least Soriano would have been in his comfort zone…these relievers are used to high pressure situation.

  94. Patrick April 6th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Why bring him in?

    He’s a good pitcher, why not? I wouldn’t have brought Soriano in at that point but it’s not a big deal. The bigger deal was leaving him in

  95. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    “He left Soriano out there way too long, it was a massive mistake.”

    This… I do agree with. Then again, maybe Girardi was playing the ego game and hoping Soriano would work out of it without giving up 4 runs. Because we still could’ve won last night if he only gave up 3… I don’t feel like thats asking a lot. Maybe if Swish got to that blooper more cleanly Mauer is still on 3rd..

  96. mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    But mick.. really? So that was Soriano sending a message, huh?
    ============
    Shame, subconciously it could be….while the 8th inning is his job, this situation wasn’t.

  97. mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    He’s a good pitcher, why not?
    ==================
    You can’t trust DRob in that spot? They are all good pitchers.

  98. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Some people seem to have trouble differentiating between a manager making a move, whether it’s reasonable or not, and having the mental flexibility to correct the move if it becomes apparent that the move isn’t working.

  99. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    BIG AL-

    Why no mound visit by Rothschild? I think Larry was afraid to come out and get his #ss chewed out after seeing Soriano not even looking at Martin when he came out to the mound! LOL.

  100. G. Love April 6th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Here’s my issue; By not bringing Robertsen into a 4 run game in the 8th when everyone in the 7-8-9 Legion of Doom pitched the night before, you’re telling Robertsen he’s a useless bullpen arm only to be used in mop up situations.

    Robertsen is better than that. We all know that. I don’t think for one second he would have given up 4 runs in the 8th if he started the inning.

    Instead, Girardi is showing no confidence in the guy.

    As blake said I hope Girardi learned from this debacle last night. Soriano was awful, but Girardi’s decision making was worse.

    He had a fresh Robertsen to go in there and possibly give us 2 innings and he ignored him for a guy who threw the night before and probably could have used the night off.

  101. mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Joe was laughing in the dugout all night. He thinks this team will run on cruise control all year and he is probably right. There aren’t any teams that have what we have offensively and in the pen.
    He just got lazy last night. It is a lesson to be learned.

  102. Shame Spencer April 6th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Just to add: a part of the decision making involved in correcting the move of putting Soriano in also involves pulling your $10 million dollar set-up guy out of a situation where he only needs to give up less than 4 runs. I’m just sayin..

  103. Patrick April 6th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    You can’t trust DRob in that spot? They are all good pitchers.

    Yes I trust DRob in that spot, but it’s not necessarily a big mistake to put Soriano in for the 8th. The mistkae was leaving him in when it was obvious he had nothing

  104. upstate kate April 6th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    I agree G Love, I would have liked to see D Rob brought in

  105. mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Soriano is not ready to handle the press and their myriad of questions here.
    Perhaps it’s another reason for the opt outs.
    He may never answer questions.

  106. UnKnown April 6th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    4 NYY April 6th, 2011 at 10:35 am
    Twins prolly think they’re on a roll now in N.Y. (they could be

    Oh yeah the Twins already have said on multiple interviews that “the monkey is off their back”.

    Uh, not really. I mean 2 wins now out of the last 16 at YS and 3 wins out of the last 21 overall. Being swept out of the playoffs each of the past two years. I don’t consider the win last night to have “the monkey off your back” when your staring down those numbers.

    Twins fans, well there constantly delusional because they play in that pathetic division they call the Central. So there standards of success are pretty pathetic.

  107. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    “Just to add: a part of the decision making involved in correcting the move of putting Soriano in also involves pulling your $10 million dollar set-up guy out of a situation where he only needs to give up less than 4 runs. I’m just sayin..”

    But once it became apparent that his mechanics and his command were off, the chances that he could hold any lead were greatly reduced.

  108. mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Why put Soriano in with a 4 run lead when you have capable pitchers or even CC for one inning?
    Soriano hasn’t pitched in a “mop up” role in how many years? He probably took it as an insult.

  109. Irreverent Discourse April 6th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Perhaps Soriano comes out Friday and shuts down boston for an inning and you all stop talking about this.

    Nah, lets continue overreacting to last night, that conversation is clearly going somewhere.

  110. Guru Man April 6th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Upstate Kate – not everyone is a hindsight manager; at the time it was a bad move to take CC out and it was compounded by not bringing in Robertson in that spot. i didn’t have a huge issue with leaving Soriano out there as he did turn it up a notch before walking his final batter, but Girardi’s job is to put the team in the best position to win the game with a focus on player safety and future games; he didn;t do a good job of that last night. Not only did we lose a 4 run lead in the 8th, Rivera and Soriano are not available unless he wants them to pitch 3 days in a row.

    I would have let CC stay out there and tried to avoid using Soriano or Rivera; but I would have planned that one of them would have been needed.

  111. Irreverent Discourse April 6th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    He probably took it as an insult.

    OH MY GOD. STOP.

  112. RayVT April 6th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Soriano is not a prima donna! He is a class guy who was one of the best closers in 2010 & the Yankees convinced him to be the 8th inning guy & part-time closer for close games.

    I am sure he was as stunned as the rest of us when he was called to go in for the 8th inning in a non-close situation 4 run game. These guys attack games and pysche themselves to be the guy. It wasn’t the right spot to use him. DRob who was warming up in the 7th was the right choice. If DRob got in trouble, then you choose Soriano or Logan (LH Batter) or Joba.

    Joe G blew this one. Now he has a depleted bullpen going into a game where the BP may be needed more because Garcia probably will go 5 innings or less. Of course maybe it will rain! LOL!

  113. Irreverent Discourse April 6th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Made perfect sense to bring in Soriano.

    He gets out of that inning then team cruises to a win… they get to rest guys tonight in a game they are most likely going to lose… and they move on.

    It didn’t work out. Get over it.

  114. Rich in NJ April 6th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    “Perhaps Soriano comes out Friday and shuts down boston for an inning and you all stop talking about this.”

    Well yeah, because no one is saying that Soriano isn’t good. only that it was readily apparent that he wasn’t going to be good last night.

  115. mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    ID

    Cano is a natural bad ball hitter. He will swing at anything and is.
    He can get his bat on any pitch. The key to last year is he layed off them.
    He just isn’t now. He looks impatient. No biggie but could put him in a slump that he has to dig out of.

  116. Patrick April 6th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    4-0 isn’t mop-up….

  117. Guru Man April 6th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Anybody saying that Soriano isn’t good is making a mistake. But every pitcher has bad days (so rare with Rivera we get spoiled). the issue was the situation he was put in and also knowing your personalities. Soriano is supposedly a real surly a-hole so you are dealing with a personality that it makes no sense to tick off. He should be treated like a closer in the 8th inning; which means unless you have no other choice because the rest of the bullpen is used or it is a real high scoring affair (for example 14-10 going into the 9th, i could see bringing in Rivera) you go to D-Rob if you have already made up your mind incorrectly to take CC out.

  118. Irreverent Discourse April 6th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    mick – <i.He will swing at anything and is.

    You can keep saying that, but in this place called reality it is physically NOT happening… he is swinging at less pitches outside of the strikezone than at any point in his career.

    You can’t just make something up and repeat it ad nauseum until you believe your own BS. Whether you think you “see” this is irrelevant, it is not physically happening.

  119. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    RayVT-

    I would think, or at least hope, that the manager sat down with each of his pitchers and told them what their role would be before opening day. It was cold and windy last night and who knows if anyone in the bullpen would have stepped up to close the door.

  120. mick April 6th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Nah, lets continue overreacting to last night, that conversation is clearly going somewhere.
    ==================
    Yeah lets not talk about it at all.
    That’s nonsense.
    You talk it over as Joe has privately and learn from it, that’s the point.

    You can be sure he won’t bring him into a situation like that again.

  121. mick April 6th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    You can keep saying that, but in this place called reality it is physically NOT happening… he is swinging at less pitches outside of the strikezone than at any point in his career.
    ====================
    Last year ID, not so far this year.

  122. randy l. April 6th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    that didn’t go too well last night.

    maybe it would have been good to have thought about soriano being available for tonight too.

    i’m assuming no soriano and no mo, so that’s not a good situation to manage into.

    hopefully the yankees will have a really big lead so no closers are needed.

  123. Guru Man April 6th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    RayVT, Soriano had the reputation as a prima donna before he came here.

    ID – even if Soriano does get out of the inning, you now have Rivera pitch the 9th and neither is available tonight; that is not smart if the only reason why you wouldn;t let CC pitch more than 105 pithes after retiring 17 in a row row is because you are worried about the future. There is no consistency in your logic

  124. West Coast Yankee Fan April 6th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    The attendance at Yankee Stadium was pathetic as was the noticeable lack of enthusiasm. I can’t believe that “it was cold” is an excuse. People can’t watch a weather report and bring a warm coat and gloves? Do football fans not go to see games in Green Bay or Pittsburgh because it’s cold?

  125. upstate kate April 6th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Guru
    I still think taking CC out was the right move early in the season on a cold and windy night with a 4 run lead. He probably would have been fine, but why risk it.

  126. 4 NYY April 6th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    # mick April 6th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    ID

    Cano is a natural bad ball hitter. He will swing at anything and is.
    He can get his bat on any pitch. The key to last year is he layed off them.
    He just isn’t now. He looks impatient. No biggie but could put him in a slump that he has to dig out of.

    ===============================================

    Exactly right! Gotta get back to swinging at the good stuff like last year.

  127. mick April 6th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Girardi screwed up last night, all the way around. You live and learn.

  128. I Like Inge April 6th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    All you guys complaining about Soriano and Girardi’s use of him, how about D-Rob not getting ahead of Young forcing him to throw fastballs the entire at-bat, or Swisher sliding for a ball he had no chance at that lets Mauer advance home for the tying run, or Logan walking Span to lead off the 10th, or the lineup not hitting well last night. It’s a team loss. Too much made on one move. 9 inning game and they sucked in the later innings that’s all it was.

    The team did not execute not just the set-up man and the manager. It’s a loss and you keep it moving. Think like a player and your morning will feel a lot better.

  129. mick April 6th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Guru
    I still think taking CC out was the right move early in the season on a cold and windy night with a 4 run lead. He probably would have been fine, but why risk it.
    ============
    CC is a horse. You don’t baby him and manage scared.

  130. Mgumpher April 6th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    I don’t think Soriano is sending any kind of message. His pitching mechanics were off last night, and it looked as though he was tired. Its early in the season, he pitched the night before.

    If I can see that Soriano doesn’t have it after just a few pitches, why give a pass to Girardi for not seeing it?

    It wasn’t a 3 run lead it was a 4 run lead when Soriano was brought in. He couldn’t buy an out last night, and while there are times when you have to get outs even without your “stuff”, last night was not one of those type of games.

    Its just dumb to bring in Soriano in last nights game with the circumstances being what they were in the first place. Just because “he’s the 8th inning guy” isn’t cutting it.

    You know when Girardi knows he blew it when he offers up lame stuff like that. It doesn’t make sense and he comes off sounding like a rube.

    The impact of the game last night means Mo and Soriano are probably not going to pitch tonight. The only silver lining might be if the game gets rained out. Not a good way to manage. He had Soriano’s ERA take a big hit to cover his boneheaded move. 32 pitches were thrown by Soriano last night. That is a lot of pitches for the results that he got. With his usual control him walking multiple batters should have been a huge red flag, rather than time to sip green tea.

    Its not like they aren’t going to lose a game. Its about HOW the loss came about. I can take team effort losses, where players just don’t have it on a particular night. I can’t stand a loss that comes from being pigheaded about pitching change where you just let it unravel as Girardi did last night.

  131. West Coast Yankee Fan April 6th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    The Yankees should be 4-0 IMO. This hasn’t helped.

    Derek Jeter
    3-18 .167

    Curtis Granderson
    3-17 .176

    Brett Gardner
    2-16 .125

  132. hman23 April 6th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Tough loss. A real giveaway. Not only the failure to find the plate, but Swisher’s awful play in the field on Young’s ball. I did not catch a replay of Swisher’s first move, but I have to wager he got a terrible jump. When that ball came off the bat, it did not look like a clear bloop hit to me. Maybe I am wrong, but I exhaled and thought quickly, “caught ball.”

    Did anyone else see what kind of jump Swisher got?

    And, he compounded it by making a terrible slide when he had no chance. Swisher has go to know the situation. If he plays it clean without the drama, I have to believe Mauer either holds up at third or we have a play at the plate — even though he was moving on the pitch, Mauer is no speed demon. Could have stayed at 4-3.

  133. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Rivera only threw 13 pitches last night, so he might still be available.

  134. Guru Man April 6th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Kate; OK we can agree to disagree, but at the time it happened I was very upset with the decision even though I did not expect it to cost us the game. Girardi also should have let D-Rob start the 9th inning as we are in extra innings so why not get another inning out of him?

  135. LGY April 6th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    8th inning guy & part-time closer for close games.

    ———

    Considering his usage last night, I’m not sure there is much evidence for this whole part time closer thing.

    Seems like more of a fan creation.

  136. mick April 6th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    With his usual control him walking multiple batters should have been a huge red flag, rather than time to sip green tea.
    ===================
    I agree with the Green Tea syndrome, if you know what I mean. The team is hungry but is the Mgr?

  137. mick April 6th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    The Yankees should be 4-0 IMO. This hasn’t helped.
    ================
    Since his shot in the 1st inning Alex has been feeling for the ball, maybe it’s the off speed stuff he’s seeing

  138. Guru Man April 6th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    hman23, you are correct about Swishers poor play, he can’t let it by him. His jump was average.

    YTrader – Rivera has pitched 2 games in a row and Girardi stated he did not want him pitching 3 in a row.

  139. Wave Your Hat April 6th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    6th game of the year and the pen is already thin tonight. If Feliciano was active it would be even thinner.

    Here’s a radical notion, why not have had Mo pitch to Mauer? Not kosher I guess.

  140. Yankee Trader April 6th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    The Yankees should be 4-0 IMO.
    ———————————–
    WCYF-
    6-0
    Despite a poorly pitched game by Hughes the bullpen let the Tigers tack on too many runs, making the Yankees play catch-up.

  141. YsGuy April 6th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    girardi does a great job with the bp. he knows them, he knows what to do with them.

    i’ve never agreed with every decision any manager has made, but i know that he knows what he’s doing, so i cant get upset about it.

    in the end, soriano blew the game. nothing you can do about it now, you move on.

  142. RayVT April 6th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    For a good overview of Japan’s state right now see this:

    ANS?s Corradini testifies to Congress on Fukushima

    http://ansnuclearcafe.org/

  143. Guru Man April 6th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Back to Rivera, if Girardi does use Rivera, it is interesting that he is not worried about Mo pitching 3 days in a row at his age, but he won’t let CC throw 110-115 pitches when he is already warmed up and cruising along. He hasn’t used Mo yet tonight, but it will be interesting to see. My bet is that he does use Rivera if needed and he says Mo felt good so we went with that.

  144. Patrick April 6th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    WCYF,

    Granderson has been hitting the ball hard, quoting his numbers at this point is silly

  145. pat April 6th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    “The Yankees should be 4-0 IMO”

    What happened to the 5th game?

  146. Mgumpher April 6th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    D-Rob was brought into a situation that was a lot different than Soriano was. Not copping out on D-Rob, but coming in with bases loaded is like being handed a stinking pile of CR*P that oozes down your arms.

    One run already walked in at that point too.

    Yes, it happens, but it was predicated on making a dumb move in the first place.

    I wouldn’t be happy about a loss, but everyone was surprised to see Soriano coming in at that point. Why not hold him till the 9th which would have meant really working to keep Mariano from having to be brought in. And in the end, Mo was brought in to a game that was a loss, burning him for tonight.

    Last night Gardenhire was playing Chess while Girardi was playing Checkers. Girardi got schooled.

  147. Tom in N.J. April 6th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    “Do football fans not go to see games in Green Bay or Pittsburgh because it’s cold?”

    I’m sure that if there were 8 regular season home games a year YS would be sold out.

  148. Irreverent Discourse April 6th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    mick – Last year ID, not so far this year.

    Again, totally false. Last year he was (to this point) swinging at worse pitches.

    seriously, i think you’re just trying to get me riled up.

  149. YsGuy April 6th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    looks like my boy joba is the closer tonight.

    right back at em.

    Lets Go Yankees!!!!

  150. West Coast Yankee Fan April 6th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Girardi made the right move, this loss was on Soriano. This is all second guessing. If Soriano pitches well and hands the ball to Mo – this dialogue never occurs.

    1. Sabathia had thrown over a 100 pitches on a cold night and had a 4-0 lead.; it’s a long season.

    2. Soriano is a shut the door type of relief pitcher, there was no reason to think he wouldn’t be good last night. When he got into trouble, you also believe he will figure it out and get out of the jam. He struck out Nishioka on 3 pitches.

    3. The Yankees didn’t score a run for 8 consecutive innings.

    4. On the Swisher dink hit that ball was not catchable and with two outs and a 3-2 counts Mauer was running head down. He got caught in no-man’s land, these things are split second reaction plays; you don’t blame him.

  151. YsGuy April 6th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    i watched the indians game last night, they drew a whopping 9000 to see the greatest collection of hitters ever assembled…

  152. Irreverent Discourse April 6th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Last nights game showed not that Girardi can’t manage a bullpen, that’s ludicrous.

    It showed the flawed usage of closers in baseball.

    Waiting for the 9th inning to roll around to get your best reliever on the mound, when the game needed to be “saved” as soon as there were 2 baserunners in the 8th is a systemic problem in ALL of baseball, not just on the Yankees.

    Trying to fill some pointless and made up stat category with your best reliever only means that you are not putting your best pitcher in the game in the highest leverage situation.

  153. West Coast Yankee Fan April 6th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Typo – 5-0 sorry.

  154. Mell April 6th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Yankees batted 1.000 with RISP last night.

  155. dan l April 6th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Girardi stinks! He is a terrible game manager and needs to go! He should be FIRED for cause!
    A child could do better!

  156. hman23 April 6th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Hindsight I know, but I cannot understand why Girardi did not go to D-Rob or even Joba or Ayala to start the 8th. I know Soriano is his “8th inning guy,” but no matter what? In a 4-0 game? I wonder when Girardi thinks it is “safe” to go off the script and use the rest his pen? You are telling me that Joba is the move in a 4-3 game — only so long as it is the 7th inning? But not 4-0 in the 8th? That is ridiculous.

    I think the move was to start D-Rob or Joba, and if it got hairy, bring in Soriano. If either looked sharp and it was still 4-0 (or an even larger lead), hell, let him pitch the 9th too. But with Girardi, that would never happen.

  157. upstate kate April 6th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Guru
    agreeing to disagree is fine w/ me! and had it been a month further into the season , I would not be disagreeing!

  158. Patrick April 6th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    If Soriano pitches well and hands the ball to Mo – this dialogue never occurs.

    Well first of all, the main mistake was to leave Soriano in when it was obvious he was tired and wasn’t pitching well. As CB mentioned several times last night, his mechanics were a complete mess. It was obvious he wasn’t going to get out of the inning and it was maybe even dangerous to his arm to leave him in.

    Even if Soriano comes in and pitches well, of course the dialogue occursr, I know for a fact I would have talked about the mistake of bringing Soriano in.

  159. pat April 6th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    This made me chuckle…..

    LadyBlueICU Onion Rings RT @NinaSaidSoARod RT @Nebkreb Girardi RT @craigcalcaterra: Soriano. RT @YahooNews If the govt shuts down, who gets blamed?

  160. hardwired7 April 6th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Initially, I was thinking that Soriano wasn’t getting the high strike called, but looking @the PitchF/X info, the ump was dead on last night.

    He had never walked three men in an appearance before. “That’s baseball, Suzyn. You just can’t predict it.”

  161. Mike Ri April 6th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    How about Soriano doesn’t walk 3 guys in a row. Thats why we lost .

  162. West Coast Yankee Fan April 6th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Joba was not available and as last night proved, 4 runs is hardly an insurmountable lead. We can make fun of the Twinkies but they are a very good team.

    I can only imagine if D-Rod started the 8th and did what Soriano did. Everyone would have gone crazy as to why Girradi didn’t go to his lights out setup man Soriano.

  163. BIG AL April 6th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Yankee Trader April 6th, 2011 at 10:48 am
    BIG AL-

    Why no mound visit by Rothschild? I think Larry was afraid to come out and get his #ss chewed out after seeing Soriano not even looking at Martin when he came out to the mound! LOL.

    ************************************************
    If what you saying had any truth to it, then both Rothschild and Girardi should be put out to pasture by the FO. If a coach is afraid to talk to a player, he’s worthless. Besides, its Girardi’s call to send his PC out to the mound.

  164. austinmac April 6th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    I have been a bit amazed by the empty seats. I said in the off-season that free agent signing and trades lead to fan excitement and attendance. I believe, while still factoring weather, that the naysayers and gloom and doom forecasts have impacted attendance.

    We must remember the usual 45,000+ at the game are not like us, the over the top fan and obssessed fan who study the team. Most folks that usually come to the games know no more than what what they read or hear.

    Winning will change perception, but that is my non-expert belief.

  165. pat April 6th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Pirates release Craig Hansen. Gammons weeps for expectations unfulfilled.

  166. Gary April 6th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Kind of reminded me of the Giants last night, they are either in control of the football game (or think they are), and the game starts to get away, then it gets away a bit farther and then the game gets lost. Everyone wonders at the end what the heck happened.

  167. G. Love April 6th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    austinmac,

    Guys, the attendance being low is the weather plain and simple. Once it warms up the place will be packed. That said, the new stadium has a lot of place to go and not be in your seats. I know we sometimes hit the Hard Rock or NYY Steak before the game and don’t enter the game until the first few innings. The Hard Rock, in particular, is packed right around game time.

    That said, this is all weather. It’s not NY not embracing this team and it’s chances. It’s people have jobs, school and they don’t want to sit in 30 degree temps and drop several hundred dollars in the process.

    I also do think the economy is definitely stopping people from attending games. While all of you know about the deals you can get on stubhub, the average fan isn’t obsessively checking the ticket prices looking for deals. And if you buy face value, it’s a fortune, so you may as well wait until the weather heats up.

    Texas can sell out their games this early because they are good and it’s 85 and sunny there and the tickets don’t cost what they cost here.

    If the secondary ticket market stays flat all year, the Yankees are going to have adjust their face value ticket prices.

    The good news is a lot of disgusting brokers are going to lose their shirts this year and hopefully that will cause them to give up their seats.

  168. Joe from Long Island April 6th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    pat – did they? Boy, when the Pirates can’t use you as a pitcher…. His career has really disappointed to date.

  169. 108 stitches April 6th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    It was the understanding that Soriano was not (strictly) the 8th inning guy and would close when the situation called for Mariano to have the game off.
    Such was the case last night. Girardi had Robertson, Logan and Ayala available for 8th inning use and Soriano to close it out. It was all in reverse.

  170. Irreverent Discourse April 6th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    From Pinstripe Alley:

    Don’t let the score dictate pitcher use. I’m glad to see Joe going to his best pitchers, and not just saving them for save situations.

    Always monitor pitcher workload. Joba Chamberlain has already pitched in 3 games, including Sunday and Monday. He’s unavailable.

    Play to win. How would you have felt if Girardi had gone to Luis Ayala? The binder must have said, “Never save a pitcher for tomorrow; tomorrow it may rain.”

  171. LGY April 6th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Before last night, Soriano had given up 4 runs or more in an appearance only 3 times. Twice in his rookie year all the way back in 2002 and once in 2009 in a game where his team was ahead 6-0.

    He gave up 4 runs or more in an entire month only one time last year.

  172. Joe from Long Island April 6th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    GLove – about the ticket brokers- that’s exactly what I hope happens. My friend and I have split a Saturday partial plan for 8 years now, and we’d like to get better location, without handing over my paycheck.

  173. Irreverent Discourse April 6th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Tampa and Boston have both started 0-4 and all we are worried about is a freak occurrence of one of the best RP’s in the game walking 3 guys.

  174. LGY April 6th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    “It was the understanding that Soriano was not (strictly) the 8th inning guy and would close when the situation called for Mariano to have the game off.”

    ——————-

    Like I said above, this understanding seems to be more fan fiction than reality.

    Mariano is the closer on this team and that’s it.

  175. LGY April 6th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Correction.

    Soriano has only given up 4 runs or more two times prior. One of the instances in 2002 was a game he started so that doesn’t really count.

    The other instance in 2002 he was acting as a long reliever, so that is borderline.

    As a normal reliever he had only given up 4 runs or more one time prior to last night.

  176. blake April 6th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    “Don’t let the score dictate pitcher use. I’m glad to see Joe going to his best pitchers, and not just saving them for save situations.”

    You shouldn’t let the save stat affect decisions but the score should absolutely factor into any pitching decision.

  177. Gary April 6th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    I also do think the economy is definitely stopping people from attending games. While all of you know about the deals you can get on stubhub, the average fan isn’t obsessively checking the ticket prices looking for deals. And if you buy face value, it’s a fortune, so you may as well wait until the weather heats up

    ________________________________________________________________________

    Well Gas is $3.75 here this morning. I think alot of people are struggling to just put food on table which is also at record levels and trying to keep Gas in the tank. As long as it stays like this attendance will take a hit

  178. Irreverent Discourse April 6th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    http://www.baseballprospectus......cleid=2603

    Nice article from BP about how to properly use a bullpen.

  179. LGY April 6th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    So basically, last night was Soriano’s worst appearance in his career as a reliever.

  180. SJ44 April 6th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Is it April or October with all the hysterics here?

    Fire Girardi? lol. Comedy night has arrived.

    Look, last night was a bad night on all fronts.

    No offense after the second inning.

    Strange bullpen management by Girardi.

    Soriano was awful and the play that nobody talks about, Swisher’s needless dive, when his job is to just keep the ball in front of him, is what enabled the tying run to score.

    Bad night all around. Turn the page and move on.

    Don’t be foolish enough to attach long term trends after 5 games.

    The attendance? Most of the seats are sold.

    Who wants to go to a game when it’s 35, windy, and you are freezing? For those that do go, there are plenty of places in the new place to escape the elements and watch the game.

    If no one is in the seats in July, then it’s a story.

    Now? A non-story.

  181. MG April 6th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    In 1998, the year of possibly the best Yankees team of all time, they drew 2.9M in 81 games, or about 36,000 per game, the stands weren’t exactly packed for every game back then in a ball park with a larger seating capacity.

    What is the big deal if the ballpark was half empty for a midweek April night game with the temperatures in the 30′s?

    The way some of you talk it’s both an embarrassment to the fan base and could prevent the Yankees from winning a game, neither of which is true. GB can correct me if I’m wrong, but there were less than 20,000 at the Stadium the day Maris hit #61-that number, of course, has risen to well over 1,000,000 in the ensuing years.

  182. Erin April 6th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    eboland11 @TeixeiraMark25 announced today he’s made a $1 million donation to the East Harlem charity, Harlem RBI.

  183. munson15 April 6th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    I can’t even imagine what it would be like here if the Yankees were 0-4. C’mon people, Chill.

  184. MG April 6th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    As for last night, Soriano bad outing made Girardi’s questionable move into a bad one, Swisher never should have dove for the Young blooper, Logan was bad, the Yankees offense went to sleep, and they lost the game.

    I didn’t see the issue with Soriano pitching the 8th but he didn’t do the job so it’s a bad decision. You never know what could have happened if Robertson started the 8th, he could have gotten 3 quick outs or gotten lit up, we don’t know.

    I didn’t like Girardi answer about using Soriano in the 8th but that’s Girardi, he is stubborn in his ways and doesn’t exactly like backing off from positions.

    Today is another game, last night is over, it’s 1 out of 162 as some of you have already mentioned.

  185. Erin April 6th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    I Like Inge-great post @ 11:05 :)

  186. Erin April 6th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    munson15 April 6th, 2011 at 11:54 am
    I can?t even imagine what it would be like here if the Yankees were 0-4.
    ******************************

    Ugh-I wouldn’t even want to imagine what the reaction would be like on here if they were 0-4. LOL

  187. Joe from Long Island April 6th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Irreverent One – ah, perspective.

    Speaking of which – that’s nice, that Tex is making that huge donation. That’s real nice. This must be some of what he was talking about when he dropped Boras.

  188. blake April 6th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    The Red Sox are 0-4 but not to fear…..Dice K is pitching tonight.

  189. YsGuy April 6th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    speaking as one who hates to be crowded, has long legs and doesnt usually know whether i can

    make a game till a few days before, i’d like it if attendance was a little lower all year and i could

    buy tickets at the park.

  190. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 6th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    “Perhaps Soriano comes out Friday and shuts down boston for an inning and you all stop talking about this.

    Nah, lets continue overreacting to last night, that conversation is clearly going somewhere.”

    :D

  191. Gary April 6th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    munson15 April 6th, 2011 at 11:54 am
    I can’t even imagine what it would be like here if the Yankees were 0-4. C’mon people, Chill.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    To me it’s more shock than anything else, there are a few though that are over the top. One of the bad sides of having such a great BP is that when it doesn’t do it’s job no one expects it and everyone says what the heck!!

    It’s pretty simple the job of a reliever is to come in and throw strikes, strand the inherited runners and don’t put on any yourself. Neither Soriano or Robertson did that. Soriano walked three and Robertson came in and went 3-1 on the batter with the bases loaded before giving up the base clearing double. You don’t have to look any farther than that, that’s why the game was lost.

  192. Mell April 6th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    “but there were less than 20,000 at the Stadium the day Maris hit #61″

    Weren’t many more than that their last night. Like SJ said, the tickets are sold (40,000 of them anyway for last night’s game). People will show when the weather turns and school is out.

    Paid attendance of 9,000 in Cleveland last night. Might not have been 5,000 in actual attendance.

  193. Mell April 6th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    there > their

  194. LGY April 6th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    I’m just grateful Sori decided to save the first appearance in his career for us Yankee fans :mad:

    Rays mole???

  195. Bronx Jeers April 6th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    # Joe from Long Island April 6th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    GLove – about the ticket brokers- that’s exactly what I hope happens. My friend and I have split a Saturday partial plan for 8 years now, and we’d like to get better location, without handing over my paycheck.

    ——————————————

    Do you have the “mandatory” tickets for tomorrow?

  196. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 6th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Something I’m wondering about. Has the loss of the Boss done anything to cut down on the fan base at the Stadium. If I need to elaborate I will. Sometimes I talk in shorthand figuring that posters will know exactly what has gone into the thought process.

  197. Gary April 6th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Trisha, per my earlier comment I think it’s more the economy.

  198. LGY April 6th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    *worst* not first

    This damn new phone us killing me. I type like GB now.

    Is it disturbing that everytime I try to type “for” the phone changes it to die??

  199. Mell April 6th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    “Has the loss of the Boss done anything to cut down on the fan base at the Stadium.”

    No telling at this point. When school’s out and it’s warm is the measuring stick. If 10,000 people are coming to the games dressed as empty seats in June, then there may be an issue.

  200. Irreverent Discourse April 6th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    trisha – not sure how many people were going to the stadium just so they could line BigStein’s pockets :)

  201. 108 stitches April 6th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    blake April 6th, 2011 at 11:59 am
    The Red Sox are 0-4 but not to fear…..Dice K is pitching tonight.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    If we can wait, the Rays follow the Yankees into Beansville next week. One of the teams is bound to win a game.

  202. Wave Your Hat April 6th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    Maybe Girardi just wanted to get Soriano some more work, who really knows? Soriano pitched Monday, before that not since Thursday. This pasting of Girardi in the fifth game of the season is silly.

  203. Wave Your Hat April 6th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    “Has the loss of the Boss done anything to cut down on the fan base at the Stadium.”

    Sure, I used to go there all the time just hoping to catch a glimpse of him.

  204. Joe from Long Island April 6th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Jeers – my first game is the 16th, against Texas.

  205. YsGuy April 6th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    went onto stubhub and checked. a ticket for tonight in section 324 (the first section of unpadded seats on the 300 level) which normally sells for $85 can be had for 14.95 tonight (row 3).

    wish i could go.

  206. blake April 6th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    I think its the weather more than anything. L

  207. Erin April 6th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    New Post: Teixeira continues work with Harlem RBI

    :arrow:

  208. YsGuy April 6th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    $100 tickets for section 130 going for $30 on stub hub

  209. eric in brooklyn April 6th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    I don’t know if this has been brought up here or not, but a contributing factor to the stadium being so empty is the fact that the Yankees allow season ticket holders to exchange tickets for future games.

    There are few limitations on this right, and there have been hoards of ticket brokers exchanging tickets to April games for games later in the season (they’re well aware of the low resale value).

    These exchanged tickets are supposed to go back into the Yankees inventory, but with Grandstand tickets selling for .85 cents last night they have no chance to be sold by the Yankees at face value.

    It is true that these tickets were once sold, but they have since been returned. I would not be at all surprised if the Yankees publicly consider these exchanged seats “sold”, and factor this into their attendance figures.

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