Yankees postgame
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Apr 07, 2011 
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Nick Swisher expressed remorse after the Yankees’ 4-3 win over the Twins.
“It’s sad,” Swisher said. “I didn’t mean to do that.”
He injured Minnesota’s new second baseman, Tsuyoshi Nishioka, with a hard take-out slide to the inside of the bag in the seventh. Swisher broke up the double play, but he also fractured Nishioka’s left fibula. Before Nishioka left Yankee Stadium, Swisher visited with him and told him that he was sorry.
“I’m glad I got a chance to talk to him,” Swisher said. “It definitely eased my mind. He told me, ‘It’s not your fault. Don’t feel bad.’ I know I play hard, but you don’t ever want to go in there trying to hurt somebody.”
Ron Gardenhire gave Swisher a pass.
“It was a good slide,” the Minnesota manager said. “Swisher is a clean player.”
A.J. Burnett was healthier than during his first start when he was plagued by sinus and throat infections, yet the result was the same. He won again. But he has been Mr. April for the Yankees, now 7-0 with a 3.91 ERA in 12 starts during this month in three seasons here. He knows he needs to find the consistency in the rest of the months.
Still, his changeup has been effective for him so far.
“I’ve said all along it’s a big pitch for me,” Burnett said. “Hopefully this year the stubbornness is gone and I can use it more like I did today.”
Joe Girardi likes what he has seen so far. Burnett has tweaked his delivery slightly since last season.
“I’ve seen a difference in his stuff,” Girardi said. “His breaking ball is totally different from last year. It had more of the downward (movement) that we were accustomed to seeing in 2009 and that I watched so much on tape in 2008, when I watched him pitch against us.”
Rafael Soriano pitched a one-hit eighth and certainly had better command than Tuesday night when he walked a career-high-tying three and was charged with a career-high-tying four runs in the 5-4, 10-inning loss. He said his arm was looser in this appearance.
“I felt better today,” Soriano said. Yes, he did meet with the media, unlike after the previous outing.
So now it’s Yankees-Red Sox. The three-game series starts Friday at 2:05 with the Phil Hughes and John Lackey as the starters. The Yankees, as they should, are still expecting Boston to be formidable despite its surprising 0-6 start. This will be the Red Sox’s home opener.
“They know they’re a very good club and we know that as well,” Girardi said. “They have veterans. I’m sure there’s no panic in that room.”
It will be interesting to check out the mood outside that room, specifically with the fans in the stands.
“There are 156 games left,” Derek Jeter said. “I’m pretty sure they’ll win their share of games. I think a lot of times people pay too much attention to the first week of the season.”
Again, so happy to read the stuff about Swish, Gardenhire’s take, and Nishioka’s reaction.
My fervent hope is that he is well enough to play again sooner rather than later.
I think the Sox being 0-6 means nothing – it’s just a bad streak and they will be fine; they are too good not to be. It’s an incredibly long season – and there willl be plenty of good and bad streaks, for both teams
I think the Sox being 0-6 means nothing – it’s just a bad streak and they will be fine; they are too good not to be. It’s an incredibly long season – and there willl be plenty of good and bad streaks, for both teams
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In the end they will be in the playoff hunt as usual, but I don’t begrudge them giving us a 6 game headstart
Not a 6 game headstart – I think it’s 4, lol.
“In the end they will be in the playoff hunt as usual, but I don’t begrudge them giving us a 6 game headstart
”
Not sure I agree that it means nothing and they will find their footing in time to count (if they do indeed find it), but reasoable minds can always disagree, right?
If the Red Sox wind up losing to the Yankees…their fans will certainly remember the first week of the season.
that should be reasonable, and maybe jerkface had a vision of what the weekend was going to look like when he said 6!
Reposting this in a new thread:
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......d=11204701
Compare this video from 2010 with Jeter today. Strides’ back to what it was pre-long work. What does this mean going forward?
“If the Red Sox wind up losing to the Yankees…their fans will certainly remember the first week of the season”
True that. Any fanbase is going to feel the sting of an 0-6 beginning long after the first week of the season, and every time something goes south for the team, they will remember it more and more. Think lohud and you’ll get it right every time.
Think I’ll go work out a little bit. I’ve been too stagnant. And now that I’m on antibiotics I’m not worried about it morphing into pneumonia. (Hope that’s a correct assumption!)
Later sports fans.
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yankeefeminista April 7th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
J. Alfred Prufrock April 7th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
YF, are you listening to the R-Dogs game live?
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Yes and no, the feed is terrible. Here is the lineup. Sosa’s not playing. But what a lineup! Interesting that they have DeLeon batting 7th. New kid on the block with all that power, but a holey swing; nice way to get him acclimated. Can’t wait to see that pitch he hit.
Edit: Dog Lineup in last thread, but not updated to current inning.
Later, Trisha.
yankeefeminista April 7th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
J. Alfred Prufrock April 7th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
YF, are you listening to the R-Dogs game live?
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Yes and no, the feed is terrible. Here is the lineup. Sosa’s not playing. But what a lineup! Interesting that they have DeLeon batting 7th. New kid on the block with all that power, but a holey swing; nice way to get him acclimated. Can’t wait to see that pitch he hit.
Heathcott CF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Feliz, A 2B 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Murphy, JR DH 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Sanchez, G C 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.000
Segedin 3B 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Flores, R LF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
De Leon RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Roller, K 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Mojica SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
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YF,some interesting names in that lineup. Kelvin D. I’m familiar with. Raw power & “learning” how to play the OF. I see Melky Mesa has doubled for the Thunder. Both those kids have swing &/or pitch recognition issues. I’d esp love MM to figure it all out cos he’s such a plus defender. I’ll probably watch the R-Dogs after the O’s game. Damn, Vlad hits it out. Catch you later.
“I think the Sox being 0-6 means nothing – it’s just a bad streak and they will be fine; they are too good not to be. It’s an incredibly long season – and there willl be plenty of good and bad streaks, for both teams”
Really?????
Minny announcers said it was a clean slide by swish,
Nish just forgot to get out of way..
Just catching up–
Betsy April 7th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Thanks to all who asked, but I got awful news on my car – it’s totalled. The frame is bent (this per the adjuster), etc…. They said the settlement amt would be about $10,600.00. I will never think positive again, lol. I’m livid – absolutely livid – and the idiot who nearly killed me. Now if I want to get a new Honda Accord, I’m going to have to pony up probably close to $15, 000.00 while that guy gets his SUV fixed for a few thousand.
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Bets–call a liability lawyer and your next car might be a Mercedes. It won’t hurt to see what he/she has to say.
WCS – you are a renaissance woman when it comes to technology. It doesn’t surprise me that you would appreciate Twitter!
I ignore it. I know where to go for information if I need to find it. It’s enough for me.
Then you’ll probably hate this idea…
http://tinyurl.com/3ldyh38
btw ~ hope you feel better soon!
Probability that
*dr**n G*nz*l*z
will hit a homerun
against
Phil-Phil ” Mr. 87 M . P . H . ”
in his first at-bat
== 100%
“I think the Sox being 0-6 means nothing – it’s just a bad streak and they will be fine”
Not terminal but “Nothing” may be an oversell.
If the Yankees had started 0-6, not sure it’s nothing is what would be said?
J. Alfred Prufrock April 7th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
yankeefeminista April 7th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
J. Alfred Prufrock April 7th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
YF, are you listening to the R-Dogs game live?
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Yes and no, the feed is terrible. Here is the lineup. Sosa’s not playing. But what a lineup! Interesting that they have DeLeon batting 7th. New kid on the block with all that power, but a holey swing; nice way to get him acclimated. Can’t wait to see that pitch he hit.
Heathcott CF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Feliz, A 2B 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Murphy, JR DH 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Sanchez, G C 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.000
Segedin 3B 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Flores, R LF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
De Leon RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Roller, K 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Mojica SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
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YF,some interesting names in that lineup. Kelvin D. I’m familiar with. Raw power & “learning” how to play the OF. I see Melky Mesa has doubled for the Thunder. Both those kids have swing &/or pitch recognition issues. I’d esp love MM to figure it all out cos he’s such a plus defender. I’ll probably watch the R-Dogs after the O’s game. Damn, Vlad hits it out. Catch you later.
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That Charleston lineup is stacked. And the thing is seems like the Dogs will be a regular if archived feature of milb b/c they are also listed tomorrow night. Imagine watching Sanchez, JR, DeLeon et al daily. Also tonight we get our first look at Greene and Nik Turley, who I have always liked, lefty, pitches tomorrow. Christmas in April. If they stay on sched, Greene and Turley should pitch end of that Charleston week in Lakewood, but weather will likely skew the order.
Yes, hopefully MM progresses again this year. Next week we’ll get to see him live.
Hard to taunt Phil Hughes when the Sox starter tomorrow has a 20+ era.
BTW Bets–BD was right…you do not have to accept the amount the appraiser offers. Insurance companies try to get the damage apprasied ASAP and make an offer before the victim talks to a lawyer to keep their costs down. The longer it drags out, the more expensive it usually becomes for them to settle.
Is this series over yet?
I’ll be glad when Monday is here. I’m already sick of the Red Sox. Couldn’t care less what they’re doing on a day-to-day basis.
Bojo, I’m not suing anybody………
What’s your problem, Crawdaddy? If you’re trying to pick a fight, I’m not interested.
Re; mypalfish– I am pretty sure he is a former Daily News poster who disliked Redfish, but he could be one of three people. One was sometimes negative but more often funny and even made good comments from time to time. A second was an alcoholic who was often negative, often funny, but just mainly nuts. A third wasn’t funny, just negative. But all 3 were long time Yankee fans….just had different ways of showing it.
Next time he is around, ask him if he used to post on Daily News…then you’ll have a better idea of what level of troll you may be dealing with.
Bojo, my father s/w with the adjuster and he didn’t get any “iffy” feelings from him. He got the idea that the adjuster just didn’t want to put me back in a car that was unsafe. I will speak to him again tonight just to be sure, but I trust my father when it comes to these things. The settlement offer was what my insurance company decided – at least from what I can tell. Maybe the terminology was wrong, but it was my insurance company that inspected the car.
Bets–
You don’t have to sue. But just having talked to a lawyer and having the insurance company know that may bring you more money. They hate going to courts!
The R*d S*x are due for a huge breakout game offensively .
That will happen tomorrow night :
home opener + against our Yankees + facing ” Mr . 87 M . P . H . ” == Win .
I would think that a player like Swisher is, he would feel bad about injuring another player bad enough to break a bone or take them out of the game. Most players don’t want to hurt the other players, even if there is little love lost between them.
I remember Abreu hitting a Twinkies pitcher with a line drive. That put him into a slump afterward.
Thinking about the Red Sox start… yes, its just the early part of the season and while wins in the beginning of the season mean the same as wins at the end, it doesn’t mean that the RS season is in jeopardy. The one trouble with this start is that it can get in their heads a bit, it could cause them to prolong slumps or losing streaks because of trying too hard to make up for it.
They are a very good team, even if I don’t think their pitching is as good as the media people seem to think.
I also don’t put a whole lot into Baltimore’s hot start. I do think they will be adding pressure to the East, as will Toronto, but I would be surprised if they are able to hold on to the top slot for long. Baltimore has started well before and faded.
Yankeefem
It is not looking good here. The tigers had a 5 run inning. Rob lyerly missed a ball that should have been caught and it just went downhill from there. They got hit after hit on his changeup apparently. Brett was livid. The TY bats have been pretty silent so far in the top of the 5th, just 3 hits so far.
Echo…..Go back to the Boston Globe with you crap……Boston struggled the last 2 weeks of March as Tricia had pointed out….Good players no doubt, but are they a good team at this point ???? Their staff is questionable after Lester and Buckhotz, bullpen after Bard, questionable…..Lefthand dominated lineup, is a concern……Listen, very few clubs are built to deal with a 6 game skid, it’s just that when you open the season on a 6 game losing streak even the real good clubs end up paying a price for it…….They have to go on a 14-4 streak just to be at .500……..They’ll be in the hunt for October…As The Wild Card
Bets–
I’ll see if I can provide you any links on the topic from “experts.” My knowledge of it comes from working in the industry at the start of my career…as well as having read a book on the topic when I was crashed in to.
Here’s a small sample of what their fans are saying about ” Mr . 87 M . P . H . ” –
DaleNichs wrote:
” I think Crawford is going to eat up Hughes tomorrow. Can’t wait. It’s time to rock and roll! “
Andrewvrpatriots wrote:
” Friday’s game is critical. Hughes blows so we should end the streak. “
Bojo, thanks! I appreciate your help, but I’m just going to follow my father’s lead. I will ask him about the settlement thing, but there just wasn’t enough time. I just have to keep reminding myself that the most important thing is that I’m ok and that a car can be replaced.
The-2011-World-Champion-Red-Sox wrote:
” Phil Hughes and his 87 mph fastball will be lucky to get out of even the first inning Friday night . “
Ok Bets—best of luck to you.
The -2011- World -Champion-Red-Sox is hardly a good fan since he doesn’t know that the game is being played in the afternoon. Nice try, though!
Gary Sanchez crushed a HR. Wish I could see it.
Betsy – I’m not shocked that the appraiser wants to total your car. I think it’s just plain less expensive for them rather than paying for a full repair.
Believe me, I know you’re upset. It is totally unfair. But remember the most important thing. You are safe and sleeping in your own bed.
Gary Sanchez for backup catcher!
FYI
http://answers.yahoo.com/quest.....717AAKsiYa
will the media get over themselves already. this guy doesnt talk to the media one time and they will never let him/us forget it. Frankly, as a fan I could care less if the players talk to you after the games. I understand its important to be accountable for your play on the field, but the only ones who make this an issue are these snotty lil writers who place way too much importance in what they do and act as if its a personal insult players dont talk to them. that said i appreciate all you guys do here to get us access and the coverage you provide just please please please stop acting like this is the biggest deal in the world.
We will see Sanchez’s HR once it is archived.
A breakout game for Boston is scoring a run.
Sanchez also rocked a line drive single off of the top of the right field wall that was played and held Sanchez to a single.
Joe, with what Bojo is saying…..and now you – I guess I should be suspicious of the appraiser?
Life is unfair, you know? However, there are others far worse off than I am – I need to think about that.
tyanksfan36 April 7th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Yankeefem
It is not looking good here. The tigers had a 5 run inning. Rob lyerly missed a ball that should have been caught and it just went downhill from there. They got hit after hit on his changeup apparently. Brett was livid. The TY bats have been pretty silent so far in the top of the 5th, just 3 hits so far.
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His changeup was supposedly nasty in ST, but he is still working on it. Probably just one of those nights. How many did he throw? How were his other pitches, if you have any info (I know pitching isn’t your strong point).
How are Abe Almonte’s AB’s and how does Angelini look at SS?
Never have a collision appraiser that’s recommended by the insurance company. Get at least 2 appraisals.
GB
Lyerly is living up to his reputation. He missed a ball that anyone could have gotten to(it just rolled right under his glove) and the wheels fell off, they scored 5 runs in the 1 inning. The TY has hardly been able to get the ball out of the infield.
The change Burnett was throwing today could give him a legitimate additional weapon, particularly against lefties. low-to-mid 80s w/down and away action.
Also, I think he’s benefiting greatly from having Martin behind the plate. He seems pretty adept @blocking AJ’s breaking pitches in the dirt. The less things AJ has to worry about the better, it seems.
Appraisers get judged on how much they save their insurance company, and you should check with each assumption made in his appraisal. How did he classify the condition of the car before the accident? Did he get the mileage right? Did he include all options correctly? What is he basing the valuation on?
His offer is a part of a negotiation. If you just take it without review, he wins. Usually you can squeeze more money out of it. Especially since the more time it drages, the more expensive it gets for them covering rentals and garage storage.
That’s all I’ll say on it…and leave the rest for you to decide. Again, best of luck.
GB and Bojo, thanks – Bojo, I’ll bring this up with my father tonight and see what he says. Our family mechanic (I know, sounds funny, but we’ve used him for years) told me that he thought he could fix the car and that it would be fine. I guess I’m not sure if he looked at it thoroughly or just gave it a once over……………
It can’t be a 6-game lead. If we sweep, it’s 7-games. If we win 2, we only gain a game to make it a 5-game lead. Or the other alternatives take it below 4. I think I got it right
But I’m all a 7-game lead.
Apparently Albers going on the DL and Aceves coming up for the pen in Boston. Interesting. Wonder if we see him this weekend.
Tillman throwing 86-87 mph, hughes who?
For those that think ST is unimportant, Boston is showing that all the time and effort they spent learning to extend a losing streak can really pay off.
It can’t be a 6-game lead. If we sweep, it’s 7-games. If we win 2, we only gain a game to make it a 5-game lead. Or the other alternatives take it below 4. I think I got it right
But I’m all a 7-game lead.
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I had meant the red sox just spotted us 6 red sox losses, not anything about games ahead. The yankees obviously chose to squander 2 of them
Is there an over/under on how many games into the season before Aceves goes on DL?
tyanksfan36 April 7th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
GB
Lyerly is living up to his reputation. He missed a ball that anyone could have gotten to(it just rolled right under his glove) and the wheels fell off, they scored 5 runs in the 1 inning. The TY has hardly been able to get the ball out of the infield.
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That’s always going to be an issue with Lyerly. Great bat, but, no glove what so ever.
Yankeefem
Apparently he was throwing a lot of them in the inning he got rocked. I think he threw 55 pitches through the bottom of the 5th. Apparently he was throwing with less velocity than normal, they said his pitches were elevated.
Almonte has looked good at the plate but he looked better in the field, he caught a ball at the wall in center that was between the wall and Zoilo, he caught it like backhanded. It was a nice play. Angelini also made a great play on a ball up the middle, he has looked good. Lyerly makes me really wish Bradley Suttle, a lot.
For those that think ST is unimportant, Boston is showing that all the time and effort they spent learning to extend a losing streak can really pay off.
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Funny.
So Jon Heyman thinks Swisher’s slide was dirty yet Gardenhire doesn’t, and some people actually think Heyman knows something about baseball, when in fact he knows less than nothing.
GB
Lyerly has looked awful, he should have gotten an error on that ball and as I was typing, he threw a ball into the stands. Its going to be a long season if they leave him out there the whole season.
I don’t care how or when the Sox improve. I just want to go in there this weekend and punch them in the mouth and leave them spinning.
Shane Greene is pitching a beauty for Charleston. 6 innings, 4 hits, 1 run (unearned), 0 walks, 4 strikeouts.
Heathcott is 1-4 (double) and scored from 2nd on a groundout to 3rd to 2nd.
Greene had 10 ground ball outs an 2 flyouts
But who cares what Gardenhire says when Heyman is the voice of reason……….What’s next? Heyman blaming AJ for the injury?
Tony sanchez is 1-2 so far
I must have missed something. Where did Heyman say Swisher’s slide was dirty?
Yankees with the superior sanchez
tyanksfan36 April 7th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Yankeefem
Apparently he was throwing a lot of them in the inning he got rocked. I think he threw 55 pitches through the bottom of the 5th. Apparently he was throwing with less velocity than normal, they said his pitches were elevated.
Almonte has looked good at the plate but he looked better in the field, he caught a ball at the wall in center that was between the wall and Zoilo, he caught it like backhanded. It was a nice play. Angelini also made a great play on a ball up the middle, he has looked good. Lyerly makes me really wish Bradley Suttle, a lot.
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Thanks for the detailed info, tyf. Good to hear about Abe and Angelini. I have heard that Suttle’s D has improved; so I will be watching him closely in Trenton next weekend. He is in fact playing 3B tonight. I am assuming Lyerly’s defense is markedly worse.
http://twitter.com/#!/SI_JonHe.....3495622656
@SI_JonHeyman
Jon Heyman
I’m sure all the yankee honks will come after me, but I didn’t love that swisher slide. Too late. Best wishes to nishioka
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Angelini still plays baseball? Good to know.
Thank Rich. As I suspected, he didn’t say Swisher’s slide was dirty did he? He said he thought he slid late. Big difference.
GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Greene had 10 ground ball outs an 2 flyouts
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Good to hear. I have given up on the radio broadcast and am impatiently awaiting the archived video.
It looks like SWB is also not being shown on milb tomorrow night. Maybe it has something to do with the Lehigh Valley location???
If it was late, it was dirty. You really can’t see that? Really?
Betsy……It’s a light car you drive and frames are like paperclips, once they’re bent and you bend it back into place the integrity has been compromised…..As I told you the other day, replace the car and if your insurance company is going to cut you a check then take the dough because the damages exceed the value of the car……I consult Dealership Service Departments and as stated by several here buy a Factory Certified previously owned ( Lease Return if possible ) ……Your Honda Car would never have been the same
The rs have a very questionable pitching staff,maybe one that is simply not that good.
Becket & lackey have not been that good for some time now & i doubt they will ever be more than ok pitchers.
Lester is going to be good,buchholz with his low strikeouts,doubt he is ever an elite pitcher.
Dice-k is never around long enough to get a decision.
What it is with the rs pitching staff is a lot of big names that look good on paper,thats all.
Rich, you put inflammatory words in his mouth. He said in his opinion he thought Swisher slid late. He didn’t say it was dirty.
Agree that the play is fine, disagree that the play is fine. In other words, clean or dirty. In other words good or bad. It was a good play, with a bad result.
Please, white knight Heyman some more
No, I merely stated the obvious implication.
You love him, don’t you? NTTAWWT
Tim Norton is pitching again with trenton. perfect inning with 3 strikeouts.
“I’m sure all the yankee honks will come after me, but I didn’t love that swisher slide. Too late. Best wishes to nishioka ”
Heyman called the slide dirty w/o calling it dirty….
Yankeefem
I know its only the first game but if he doesn’t get better, I might have to get vocal. I think Angelini just made an error. So far the TY have 1 run, 6 hits and 3 errors. They haven’t hit one out of the infield. The tigers have 7 runs, 8 hits and 1 error.
Its just the first game though so ill give them time to improve before I start throwing my tomatoes.
Heyman also tweeted:
“Gardy said Swisher’s play was clean.” (and)
“Swisher says he told Nishioka, I thought u were going to jump. Also says Nishi told him, it’s not your fault.”
So stop trying to create a controversy when there is none.
Its not a controversy, its pooping on heyman for being a haybrain. Though I like how you characterize it as a controversy since that would be most damaging to JonJon.
Rich in NJ says:
April 7, 2011 at 9:04 pm
No, I merely stated the obvious implication.
You love him, don’t you? NTTAWWT
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Gary Sanchez is gonna climb that top 100 prospects list on a hurry if he does anything close to what he did in the GCL at Charleston.
Nah he didn’t call anyone dirty. He said he thought he slid late. That was his opinion watching the play. I don’t agree with Heyman, I thought it was a clean slide and not late. But “dirty” has an entirely different connotation.
Do you watch the NFL? A late hit is a dirty hit, and is penalized.
Yeah, you love him.
The only genuine thing in that tweet was wishing Nishioka the best.
What the heck is a ‘honk’?
Rich in NJ April 7th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
No, I merely stated the obvious implication. You love him, don’t you? NTTAWWT
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No Rich, I just don’t care for you making things up. Heyman never it was a dirty play.
But a late slide in baseball is considered a “dirty” play, right?
Heyman’s my uncle don’t you know? : )
Heyman also took another unprovoked shot at AJ today…..would have been funny if AJ would have found out where he was sitting and uncorked one in his general direction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ1lc6KASWg
Watch this, WCYF doesn’t understand it.
Well, if we’re going to be literal, nobody liked the play.
But a late slide in baseball is considered a “dirty” play, right?
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Just like a pitcher letting one get away from them. Everyone knows it.
No Tom, dirty speaks to intent. If someone slides late it could be unintentional and I wouldn’t call that dirty. It’s a bang-bang play. The point is that Heyman never used the word dirty – you are subjectively assigning that meaning.
Jerkface April 7th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
Angelini still plays baseball? Good to know.
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He actually had a torn labrum in his hip last year.
You’re subjectively assigning meaning to the word dirty
Good example Jerkface. So, if a pitcher hits a batter is it always intentional? No, sometimes he just makes a bad pitch. And sometimes trying to break up a double play like you are taught to do since high school, you may slide late. Unintentionally.
“Just like a pitcher letting one get away from them. Everyone knows it.”
It’s a much grayer area due to the brushback being part of the game, but if a player gets hurt, it’s often thought to be dirty.
Again, calling a slide that injures a player late is tantamount to calling it dirty.
No, the word dirty has a specific connotation in sports. A very negative one. Heyman never said that. Case closed. Slam dunk.
Not to mention the beanings of the series! Twice vs the twins.
“Case closed. Slam dunk.”
Only when it comes to your everlasting love for the man.
A play can be dirty without the player being a dirty player.
When Heyman says he’s “not in love” with Swiser’s slide, he’s saying “I don’t like it” and the “too late” is just another way to say ‘dirty’. It’s not hard to read into what he was tweeted…
It was unfortunate and unintentional and no one feels worse than Swisher. I am sure there were many fans watching in Minnesota that thought it was late. If that same play happened to Cano – you think fans wouldn’t have been thinking it was a late slide?
“A play can be dirty without the player being a dirty player.”
I agree with that.
Betsy, I am so glad you escaped injury but I am sure you wish you hadn’t mentioned it. Everybody has an opinion….. Do what you & your Dad feel is right… Everybody means well but it is your car & your decision.
Grote hit a 2 run home run. Were still losing 5-7
My knee woes started on a play just like that during an American Legion game…..
Late is a euphemism for dirty. Especially in Heyman’s context.
keithlaw keithlaw
Just saw the Nishioka injury … Swisher was closer to Senegal than he was to second on that slide.
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Go figure. another idiot that doesn’t like the rule. Says it doesn’t matter where his hand was…”Look at his legs”. Wants all contact eliminated…including the catchers. This whining pissbag needs to take up knitting.
I am not defending him, I happen not to agree with him. I think his assessment of the play was wrong it was a clean slide and was not late. What I object to, is in the haste to slam Heyman, they put words into his mouth that he never said.
Why did he tweet about the slide at all if he thought it was innocuous?
I’m pretty sure all late slides are dirty. Thats the point of a late slide.
Wonder what these two teabags (Heyman and Law) would say about Frank Robinson, Brett, Hal McCrae and Mantle?
I just finally got to see the play. Kay and Flaherty said it was a clean slide. The player has to be able to touch 2nd base and Swisher’s hand brushed the bag.
It’s too bad that the player got hurt.
Heyman’s a daisy.
tyanksfan36 April 7th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
Grote hit a 2 run home run. Were still losing 5-7.
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Grote was killing it in ST. What inning?
Btw, how is Higgy looking behind the plate? He is a very good defensive catcher and he also has an underrated bat. I saw him play both in SI and Charleston over the past two years.
Reggie Jackson’s barrel roll…
A dirty slide is an intent to injure.
A late slide is not.
Exactly RMS.
Nishioka is a SS by trade, and I think playing 2nd is new to him…….You have to clear the bag on around the horn dp’s…..Sad to see any ballplayer getting hurt to that degree….
““I’m sure all the yankee honks will come after me, but I didn’t love that swisher slide. Too late. Best wishes to nishioka ”
Yeah he’s calling it dirty.
And why the hell is he calling us honks?
Trenton’s final box score 5-1 Trenton
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....x_nhmaax_1
A dirty slide is an intent to injure.
A late slide is not.
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What about players who are going out of their way to take a guy out?
Dirty’s direct denotation is a play that is against the rules. Doesn’t have to be intent to injure a guy.
Yankeefem
He has looked good. He was framing some I think, the ump was not calling the low pitches strikes, so it looked like he was pulling them up a bit. Apparently it was a tight strikezone.
West Coast,
Not to pile on here, but in sports, a hit or in this case, slide, characterized as “late” means after the fact, gratuitous, even flagrant, IOW, “dirty” or at least with intention.
Tar April 7th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
““I’m sure all the yankee honks will come after me, but I didn’t love that swisher slide. Too late. Best wishes to nishioka ”
Yeah he’s calling it dirty.
And why the hell is he calling us honks?
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Is that like callin us cracker face? I don’t think the folks in the Bronx & Heights would appreciate that
Final Charleston box score, 6-1 Charleston
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....x_lexafx_1
No piling on inferred Alfred. I just do not believe a late slide is always intentional.
YF, when Os end,I’m cueing my R-Dogs archive.
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Tom in NJ…..” Puff” Nettles had a very heavy slide
I personally am more disturbed with him calling Yankees fans honks, whatever that means. I think that is stupid and uncalled for. His opinion on whether the slide was late – I don’t care.
“keithlaw keithlaw
Just saw the Nishioka injury … Swisher was closer to Senegal than he was to second on that slide.”
keith law is about as close to knowing baseball as someone in senegal who’s never heard of it.
Exaxtly when was he supposed to slide? 30 feet from the bag? It was neither dirty nor late. It was a hard slide. had it been a rolling block/slide, that would have been dirty and in illegal. Of course, he could have came in standing up and sent Nishioka over the left field wall.
A late slide is not always intentional, but Heyman clearly states that he didn’t like this particular one.
Pat M. April 7th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Tom in NJ…..” Puff” Nettles had a very heavy slide
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Willie Randolph knows dirty slides. he’s still got scars from McCrae.
West Coast,
I just googled “late hit” and this popped up. It’s part of the sports lexicon & doesn’t vary in meaning:
http://offsidesportsblog.blogs.....e-was.html
What a clown
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
wheres the remorse? remember nishi? RT @nickswisher Great series win for the Bombers today … Off to Boston baby!
Even Gardenhire said it was a good slide, and it was his player who was hurt.
I missed the game, anyone want to give their condensed version?
the problem is that Nishioka dpesn’t know how to play second base and turn the pivot.
he can’t just plant there to get more on the ball without expecting to have his legs taken out from under him.
You are assigning subjective meaning to the term honks.
McCrae was the one that the rule against rolling block/slides was started
TY loses 5-7 they got 10 hits, 3 errors to the Tigers 7 runs, 8 hits and 2 errors.
m April 7th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
A late slide is not always intentional, but Heyman clearly states that he didn’t like this particular one.
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A late slide isn’t always intentional, but calling a slide “late” carries zero ambiguity. It means it was premeditated.
“It was a good play, breaking up the double play,” manager Ron Gardenhire said. “Not even an issue.”
Shortstop Alexi Casilla said Nishioka would have to learn how his new counterparts in America try to disrupt double plays—and to stay behind the bag while turning two. “In Japan, they play clean,” Casilla said. “They don’t want to hurt anybody.”
Swisher sought Nishioka out in the X-ray room after the game to apologize. “He definitely eased my mind,” Swisher said. “He told me, ‘Hey, it’s not your fault. Don’t feel bad.’ I know I play hard, but you never want to go in there trying to hurt anybody.” – Yahoo Sports
“Even Gardenhire said it was a good slide, and it was his player who was hurt.”
that’s because gardenhire is a solid baseball guy and keith law is a pinhead.
“A dirty slide is an intent to injure.
A late slide is not.”
That’s a false distinction and makes little sense.
Sometimes slides that are not late are intended to injure.
As for intent, there is also recklessness, ie, a conscious disregard of a known risk.
PeteAbe Pete Abraham
New blog post: Calhoun has first pitch on Saturday – Jim Calhoun, coach of the NCAA champion UConn Huskies, will thr… http://ow.ly/1c5CMg
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A fresh arm won’t help boston. The Yanks will take Calhoun out of the park, too.
Hey Casilla called Swisher dirty
J. Alfred Prufrock April 7th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
m April 7th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
A late slide is not always intentional, but Heyman clearly states that he didn’t like this particular one.
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A late slide isn’t always intentional, but calling a slide “late” carries zero ambiguity. It means it was premeditated.
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Exactly, a “late” slide implies time to take another route to avoid said player because you realize the play is over; yet you slide into the player anyway. The connotation of late = dirty, not above board.
Mark Cuban, of all people, summed up twitter an how reporters who work for ESPN use it; he may as well be writing about Heyman :
“Their reporters have a far better chance of attracting a following if they are throwing out witty one liners ala Bill Simmons than by throwing out dry facts or quotes. Facts and quotes aren’t going to entertain or attract the masses. Wit and controversy and rumors might.”
What’s a “honk”?
Should I be insulted or do I need to know Heyman’s intent before I am?
Keith Law would be the biggest queen in senegal. That’s for sure.
when I was passin’ the hooch on the back field in spring training with Kettlecorn Willsby under ole Jimmy L, he used to say, ‘Late slide just like woman’s late, you know things gonna get dirty’. He had 10 illegitimate kids, but he could whip a stick.
Heyman’s next tweet is even stranger: “I honk for lunch companions #desperateandlonely”
Honk:
6. ‘A person who is so blindly devoted to something or some person/group, especially regarding sports, that they continue to stand their ground no matter the opposition.’
http://www.urbandictionary.com.....?term=honk
Tin Cup ( The Original Randy I )…..Gardenhire was a tough as nails 2nd baseman and he’d know…..My shins have crater like scars from guys cleated me on dp takeouts…..Did you see Arnie & Jack teeing off at The Masters today ????
Also why preface the statement with
““I’m sure all the yankee honks will come after me,”
If he wasn’t calling it dirty, what need would there be for us “Honks” to go after him if his statement was innocuous.
A late slide is taking a player out after the play is over and is closer to jumping into the fielder or bag than an actual slide. Again, Swisher did not slide late.
Please don’t continue to expose the truth, West Coast can’t handle it.
Aceves being recalled to Boston to replace Albers
Detroit blowing it. Goodnight.
pat m-
i would be fine with gardenhire as a yankee manager if he was ever so inclined and there was an opening. good baseball man.
i would have liked seeing arnie and jack tee off, but i was out at the range working on my lefty swing. i do that to balance out my body. you get too one sided if you only swing on one side.
AUstin Jackson catches everyhting, but Os take the lead. Oh, well.
Tampa yanks final box score 7-5 Lakeland
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....a_lakafa_1
Tar April 7th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Also why preface the statement with
““I’m sure all the yankee honks will come after me,”
If he wasn’t calling it dirty, what need would there be for us “Honks” to go after him if his statement was innocuous.
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Excellent point, Tar.
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Yankfem – I’m giving up on the archive tonight. Have a good rest of night:).
Tin Cup….Tell the truth, you’re doing the lefty swing for tomorrow’s hustle round……You’re golf’s equivalent to Fast Eddie …Bythe way what did you card yesterday ???? I think I mentioned a 74 yesterday
J. Alfred Prufrock April 7th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Yankfem – I’m giving up on the archive tonight. Have a good rest of night:).
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The RiverDogs keep disappearing and reappearing on the list of watchable games. Let’s just hope it was indeed recorded and archived.
YES and Direct TV agreed to terms.
Scranton final box score, 7-2 Lehigh Valley
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....a_lhvaaa_1
New post – Pitching matchups vs. Boston plus a chat
GB and Tyanks,
Thanks for all of the minor league updates.
pat m-
people do get ticked off when i’m playing lefty on the front nine and they bet me on the back nine , and i start hitting the ball righty.
it’s not my fault they didn’t look in my bag and see half righty and half lefty clubs.
i’m not touching 74 yet. maybe by summer.
Fran, I’ll have more up on the board in later days. Just need to stay awake long enough to do it.
Thanks again GB.
“If the Yankees had started 0-6, not sure it’s nothing is what would be said?”
Thought the same thing, Pat. I played it out in my mind, reversing the scenario. The Sux come into the Stadium with a 4 and 2 record while the Yanks are 0-6. Worse, the Sux would have been 5 and 1 if it weren’t for an unusual outing by their “excellent” 8th inning man.
How many on this forum do you think would be singing the praises of the Yanks and saying the 0-6 means start “nothing.”? How many wouldn’t be convinced that “the old AJ” was back, just as they knew he would be?
I personally would be walking around without a head as I counseled patience and guaranteed that the Yanks would be in the playoffs.
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Pat M – I think you called the whole thing right. My favorite part was when you said the Sux would be there in the end – AS THE WILD CARD! Though I think you may have been being too generous, I can understand how you could get there.