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If Gardner sees more than 6 piches to lead off the game, Beckett might lose it and plunk Jeter.
He might plunk Jeter anyways.
Thome just bombed #590 over the batter’s eye in Target Field. Still 5-3 Oakland. Brandon McCarthy was really good today. He could have been a fine pitcher except for injuries.
Matsui has a blast in the game, too.
Let’s send him to the showers early. Love feasting on Red Sox pen.
About the golf debate in the last thread, my B&B is filled with Brits who are all at the Masters. They all root for Tiger. All I want from him is to throw a scare into the rest of them. Meanwhile, watching the Mets on MLB.com.
Posada back in the lineup ???? I would have given Chavez the start tonight and save the switch hitting Posada for later in the game
Why not let Chavez DH as he is hot???
tomingeorgia,
Looks like you’re getting your wish with Tiger making a push.
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GB,
Since Manny retired, is Thome is the only other active player besides Alex on the all-time HR leaders list?
Good thing the Yanks didn’t want to play a DH who could actually hit in Chavez. I’m sure Jorge is good for a bunch of swings and misses at low and inside breaking balls, though.
Under Girardi, there is never any reward for playing well or consequences for playing poorly.
repost from previous:
Pat, if Heathcott is doing this at the end of April/middle of May, he’ll be in Tampa then.
Sanchez is only slightly older than Harper and holding his own with the bat. Now 1-4 but just smoked the second basesman with a hard line one hopper
Thome is one of the few clean power guys along with Griffey and Frank Thomas (as far as we know)…from the ‘steroid era’.
Remember when Posada had a 1.3 OPS 12 AB’s ago? Funny how fast he lost it.
Posada is this team’s DH.
That’s why he is in the lineup.
Fran, in the top 10, yes. I think that the Jones boys are climbimg up a bit. Well over 400.
If Beckett hits Jeter, sh*t will hit the fan.
He hit Jeter last year very intentionally and Derek was NOT HAPPY.
Beckett is like a little child who when he doesn’t get his way, he starts throwing a fit and throwing at people. His team winning the game becomes secondary, as he focuses on getting retaliation.
Girardi has been known to take guys out of the lineup when they get hot, I’ve watched him do it for 3 years…
Chavez earned another start especially against
a righty.
Book must say Jorge has good #’s against
Beckett.
Thanks GB
Fran the original, I’d be glad except I promised them a full Southern BBQ when they come home. Looks like 8:30, now.
Chavez has played in 2 games. He has 6 AB’s on the year.
Chavez played in one game and went 3-5.
That’s not “hot.” That is one good game.
Gardner went 2-3 with a 2B, 3B, and 2 BB on Friday. He followed it up with an 0-5 on Saturday.
My pleasure Fran. Here is a list of the all time leaders in every hitting, pitching and fielding category.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/
tomingeorgia,
Full Southern BBQ sounds good, but I guess it will interfere with the Yankees game.
If the Masters ends up in a tie after 72 holes, do they have a play-off today or do they play a full round tomorrow?
“Book must say Jorge has good #’s against
Beckett.”
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.267 AVG, .704 OPS.
Fran the original: They play sudden death.
LGY, I’d agree with you with the small sample size… but Chavez has looked incredible at the plate since the very beginning of ST. He looks amazing.
But, the manager made the 100% correct choice. Jorge is our DH. That is why he’s in the lineup.
Chavez will get more than enough of his share of ABs this year. Trust me.
LGY-
Thanks. Your the #’s guy.
The AL Central had better watch out for KC up through the middle of the season. They may fall back, but, they’re making life miserable for other team right now. They have some hitting, getting good defense and pitching and running wild on the bases.
Chase,
Yeah I agree Chavez has looked great and ideally I would love to see him in the lineup if there was a spot for him tonight. But there is just nowhere for him to play.
You don’t bench Jorge Posada, your starting DH, on the 9th game of the year.
Whatever,if you’d rather have Posada play tonight, then you’ve got your wish…I’d rather see Chavez, I feel he earned another opportunity….we can agree to disagree….
100% agree, LGY.
The BBQ include ribs, pulled pork, mac and cheese, what we call “stew”, which is a Georgia derivative of Brunswick stew, only without squirrel, coleslaw, collard greens, Eastern and Western style BBQ sauce, corn bread and banana pudding with vanilla wafers. Smells good now.
Jorge has bad numbers against Beckett, but, he is Girardi’s guy, so regardlees of what Chavez, or anyone else does, Jorge will play, even if his numbers continue to fall like a rock.
I believe in playing the hot hand, Girardi believes in playing the favorites and old guard.
It should be team first, friends and favorites last.
Wow. Tiger is on a mission it seems.
I’m not saying bench Posada permanently,it won’t kill him to sit 2 games in a row…
GB,
That is an awesome site. I will save that link.
Thanks.
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tomingeorgia,
getting hungry just reading you description of the BBQ menu.
?He’s our DH,? said Cashman. ?That’s what he is, unless he plays himself off it.?
Quote from December. And it’s pretty clear now Cashman didn’t mean Jorge might play himself into catching role. If he doesn’t hit well enough, a move will be made.
Bedard is getting lit up by Cleveland. Hannahan has a homer as does Cabrera. suzuki is off to a slow start and now has 2 errors. Appears to have slowed down a little bit, too.
LGY -
Your the manager, at what point does Jorge sit, and Chevez, or another bench player get a chance to produce?
Is it after 20 games, and he’s still below .200, 30 games, when?
Do you pull Hughes, your starting #3 pitcher if you have someone that can do better right now?if so, why wouldn’t you sit your regular DH if someone might do better?
Wait until Chavez cools off before you take him out of the lineup
And it ain’t like Jorge is lighting it up anyway these days…
Girardi made a good move giving Chavez an opportunity, and he came through..I just don’t see why he can’t play once again…
Mariners are a heck of a team…let’s hope they are begging for a Hernadez blockbuster by July.
Fran the original,
I’ll take my wireless laptop outside to at least listen to the Yanks during the meal.
No reason for Posada to be in there tonight after the way Endy Chavez has swung the bat. Have to reward good performance and maybe Chavez gets in a groove.
IMO, they don’t want to cause a controversy by giving Chavez too much playing time (with him producing). Then they have no choice but to cut down Posada’s playing time.
Real shame that he can’t play the OF. Then he could slide in Gardner’s spot.
Big Al….you are right on…Joe will defer to the vet regardless of what it means to the team. I hope Jorge starts to hit but am dissappointed Chavez goes back to the bench. Posada’s deal was 1 year too long.
Would be Seattle’s 7th loss in a row if the score holds.
Very Red Sox like LOL
tomingeorgia,
Sounds like a plan to me. With so many golfers tied at the top, the tournament might not end for a while.
They way I look at it, Posada gets paid whether he plays or not…he probably won’t be a Yankee next year, so why not sit him if Chavez can help the team….I’ll stop there, Girardi has the last word, hope he’s right and Jorge hits a few dingers!
My pleasure, Fran. enjoy it. If you go to that site, the next tab over is all awards and voting totals. An interesting look. Also they have gone back and included every game played back through at least 1951. Great stuff on there. Still looking for all of the rules changes for the game and in the scoring rules changes, like on homers where what is now a ground rule double on a ball bouncing into seats was a home run and if a player hit a home run in the home half of a game and 2 runners on base and team tied or only down by one, it was only scored with a hit that would score the winning run. i.e., 3-1 game and bases loaded, a homer would be ruled as a 3 run triple
“Bedard is getting lit up by Cleveland. Hannahan has a homer as does Cabrera. suzuki is off to a slow start and now has 2 errors. Appears to have slowed down a little bit, too.”
Seattle has been utterly horrible once again to open this season. Just terrible.
This is why I don’t find it likely at all that Felix is going to get traded. Jack Z was in significant trouble already last season.
They may be worse this season. I was very surprised to see them throw Michael Pineda into the rotation as he doesn’t seem particularly ready. That’s a rotation spot where he may really go through some lumps with.
If their season goes as badly as it looks like it will, I don’t see how Jack Z is going to have the power and support in the organization to move the player who really is the entire franchise. I don’t see him having the authority needed to do so if their season just goes down the tubes like it did last season.
Filling out the lineup card has never been Girardi’s strong suit IMO. Chavez peppers the wall effortlessly yesterday and his swing seems to be in a groove, yet he sits him for Posada. But if Jorge has a good game he’ll look like a genius. So it goes; he’s the manager.
Just like old home week around here. Same idiots whining about the line-up because one player had a good game or you don’t like the way a player combs his hair.
How many games has your team won while you ran the team?
The team doesn’t matter to Girardi. Player’s feeling are the important thing to him.
The stupidity here never ceases to amaze me.
Posada had the day off yesterday and now he has to sit another game because the backup had a great game yesterday?
Posada is the starting DH. Period. Chavez is playing a backup role.
Not sure why that has to be spelled out for people.
Posada is batting .154, and his average is going in the wrong direction.
Jorge is batting .267 lifetime against Beckett, with 13 SO in 45 AB, that’s nearly a 29% SO ratio.
So, based on this info, Girardi puts Jorge in the line-up, and Chavez sits, makes sense – NOT!
Go play with your guns little man.
GB7….we are just debating the lineup….relax,no one is trolling,we are just giving our opinions on the lineup…..jeez…..
Giuseppe..why was Jorge given a day off yesterday?? Was he exhausted from DHing? Or was Girardi trying to see if Chavez might have some success?
Pretty ridiculous to call others stupid and idiots for giving their opinion on a single change in the lineup.
Why does Posada HAVE to be the DH? If he continues to struggle does that hold?
Saying that I hope Jorge has a big night.
Giuseppe Franco April 10th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
The stupidity here never ceases to amaze me.
Posada had the day off yesterday and now he has to sit another game because the backup had a great game yesterday?
Posada is the starting DH. Period. Chavez is playing a backup role.
Not sure why that has to be spelled out for people.
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So what you’re saying, if a player is doing poorly, but is designated a starter, he should stay in the line-up regardless of performance.
You want your back-up players to be able to contribute, but make it difficult for them to remain shape by not playing them, and when they do play, and contribute, you reward them by sitting them if favor of the “starter”.
I’ll ask you the same question I asked LGY, at what point would you as manager consider moving Posada out of the line-up, if he continues to not hit?
I come here for entertainment, not ranting or trolling. I have to agree with Trish, most of the time. I love baseball, Yankee baseball in particular. I’m not going to quibble over the lineup, the pitching choices, or anything else. Does anybody else just like to watch baseball?
# West Coast Yankee Fan April 10th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Pretty ridiculous to call others stupid and idiots for giving their opinion on a single change in the lineup.
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Pretty ridiculous to whine about the same damn thing every single say, especially regarding Girardi sending his “A lineup” out there tonight against the Red Sox.
I would have thought you had your fill of that kind of nonsense complaining about Cashman and Hal Steinbrenner everyday during the offseason.
BIG AL….That’s what I said too….Posada is your starting DH, so he HAS to play?? Even if someone could possibly play better?? That’s like saying a struggling Hughes HAS to stay in the rotation because he’s your #3 starter…there is nothing wrong with tweaking the lineup or rotation where need..That’s why it’s called MANAGING people!!
You still did not answer the question Giuseppe…why wasn’t Posada in the lineup yesterday? Was he too exhausted from DHing?
Why is it “whining” to give one’s opinion on a single lineup substitution. Is one obligated to agree with everything Girardi does? If one doesn’t it’s “whining”? It’s a perfectly valid perspective to think it’s a good move to play Chavez.
You also might start telling the truth GF. I have said repeatedly for a long time now that Cashman deserved great credit for signing Martin, Jones and Chavez.
I’d personally let Posada play poorly for at least 8 games before I remove him.
I want the A+ lineup out there, you and Girardi can keep your A lineup…
Big Al,
The Yanks have played eight games. Eight. Now one of the starters needs to sit for a few games due to his “struggles” because the backup had a good game yesterday?
How does that make any sense at all?
I like Chavez on this team, too. But he’s a backup and he knows it. He signed with the Yanks knowing that full well.
Also keep in mind that the guy people want benched also had three home runs and six RBIs in 8 games.
I hope the rest of the team struggles like that when things are going south.
GB……I took KC on the over 69.5 line…….Mr. Franco, all my point about Chavez being in the lineup was simply this, he swung the bat real nice yesterday and I thought that he would be in today’s game…..Didn’t see that as that stupid of a concept…
The Yanks aren’t going to give up on Jorge after a few bad games…
mind you – most of this blog was suggesting he’d be a great DH after the 1st series.
He can still hit…. though Chavez also deserves some AB’s to show what he can do.
# West Coast Yankee Fan April 10th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
You also might start telling the truth GF. I have said repeatedly for a long time now that Cashman deserved great credit for signing Martin, Jones and Chavez.
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So that makes up for the continuous whining about the GM and owner EVERY SINGLE DAY for three months?
Some of us repeatedly said to be patient because the season hadn’t started yet and Cashman had more than enough time to make moves to help the team.
Those are the facts whether you want to admit it or not.
GB7
Mark prior pitched today, didn’t do too bad except walk a guy and allow a stolen base. He got into some deep counts, I only kept track of Ramirez but I did notice Prior went deep into counts in his inning just not how many pitches. To make room for him on the roster they had to move Kevin Mahoney to the EST roster for these 2 days.
Fran–
Home run hitters list
http://www.baseball-reference......reer.shtml
The only whining I see GF is you calling others idiots for giving their opinions on a lineup. That makes you an arrogant pompous a**. Those are the facts whether you want to admit it or not.
Here ‘ s a sobering thought : C . C . Sabathia could get injured tonight and then the whole season goes down the drain .
Let’s hope that won’t happen .
But I always prepare myself for the worst .
Good grief, Posada wasn’t in the lineup yesterday mostly to give Arod a DH day and get Chavez into a game. That’s been accomplished. Now it’s back to normal.
Big Al, should post a disclaimer that you fantacized about Posada retiring this weekend so people know where you’re coming from.
And finally, it’s not the act of giving one’s opinion that’s stupid, it’s the opinions themselves. Why must that be explained????
It seems those whinning the most are the one’s complaining about what some of us are discussing, on a discussion board.
LGY and Giuseppe France have refused to answer a simple question; If you were the manager, and Posada continued to struggle, and not show improvement, not hit well, and not contribute, when would you, if at all, remove him from the line-up in favor of a bench player. Would it be after 20 games, 30 games, 40 games – when?
IMO, just because a player has been designated a starter doesn’t mean he remains in the line-up, if he continues to fail over a long period of time. Remember, a DH, unlike a position player can contribute in one manner only, hitting, as opposed to the position player that might slump, but still be very valuable in the field, while he works through his slump.
# Pat M. April 10th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
GB……I took KC on the over 69.5 line…….Mr. Franco, all my point about Chavez being in the lineup was simply this, he swung the bat real nice yesterday and I thought that he would be in today’s game…..Didn’t see that as that stupid of a concept…
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Pat,
My comments were not at all directed towards you. Just the same people whining about the same things everyday here.
The usual suspects complain when Girardi doesn’t trot his Opening Day lineup out there, especially against the Red Sox. Today, people are whining because he is.
Talk about irony.
Earlier, it was Teixeira who was the whipping boy. Now, it’s Posada. I’ll never understand the constant gripes.
Jered Weaver today
7.2 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 15 K
flashback pic of the day….
http://sportscracklepop.com/wp.....ghetti.jpg
Nick in Sf -
So on a discussion board, people are only making smart statements, when you, and a select others agree, therefore this is a closed discussion board where we can’t have differing thoughts or opinions, without you and your select group calling us stupid.
It must be great being one of the most knowledgeable persons here, so you can correct our thoughts when we stray from your points of view.
I’ll ask you the same question I posted above as to when you the all knowing, would consider a change at DH?
A guy has a few hits,so he’s taken out of the lineup the next day…you may call it whining, but to a few of us it just doesn’t make sense….sorry if you can’t grasp it….
Big Al,
All I know is that Posada has had a borderline Hall of Fame career, struggles and all over the years, and he’s going to get plenty of rope before Girardi even considers sitting him for a few games.
Girardi believes in his guys, as he should. Teixeira certainly had the backing of his manager last season and he had a horrific two months. Didn’t even consider moving him out of the #3 slot.
As I said, I like Chavez too, but that doesn’t mean he should be taking ABs away from your DH after 8 games.
Big Al…if you don’t agree with the all knowing on the board, be prepared to be called a whiner or stupid….It’s a discussion board, were people can give their point of views and opinions….or at least that’s what I think it should be..
Bojo,
Thanks for the link
I for one was never a fan of using the DH spot for Posada this year. That said, Chavez is 2-8 with a .625 OPS vs Beckett in his career. Not exactly a move where the numbers speak loudly either way.
GF – I find it curious that folks feel they know more about the team, it’s workings, matchups, who’s nursing whatever injury that the Yanks don’t want to let out to the other side, in short – what the REAL STORY IS – than the manager and coaching staff who are actually in the clubhouse and have a lifetime of baseball, actually playing and coaching it at a level that greatly exceeds anyone who posts here.
But, that’s just me.
Big Al, I neither called you stupid nor corrected anything.
This is not the first time you’ve become highly emotional about the subject of Jorge Posada.
I don’t have an answer to your question, except that today is clearly not the day to bench Posada because of “struggles”. Unless one is already disposed against him.
Big Al,
Here’s a counter question….
If Jeter was the guy who had the day off yesterday and Nunez tore it up for one game would you be advocating that Jeter should sit for a few games in favor of Nunez?
I don’t see how that situation would be any different than the Chavez/Posada conundrum.
heck, GF – some might actually believe they could teach you or me a thing or two about demyelinating polyneuropathy. After all, they could read something on the internet and instantly become an expert.
More so than you or I.
Blow it off. It isn’t worth it.
It’s a Yankees discussion board. What on earth is more appropriate for fans to give their opinion on than the lineup?
Everyone was all over Posada’s nuts when he hit 3 homers in 2 games. Now it’s time to bench him?
Maybe this is why Posada is starting.
http://www.baseball-reference......ubmitter=1
Mr. Franco….All’s good…..Back to The Masters
GF -
I respect you as a good poster, and agree with many of your posts, but, all I was asking was at what point does Girardi start to think of a move, after how many games or AB are you willing to wait, if the current trend continues with Posada.
As I mentioned above, a DH can contribute in one manner, hitting. Tex did struggle last year, but his glove was still great, and he still managed very good numbers with RBI’s and HR, thus he stayed where he belonged in the line-up.
I love the Yankees, and all the contrbutions made by each player, and Posada has been a big part of the winning, but, there comes a point in every players career that he begins to have a down turn, and I personally think Jorge is at that point.
I hope I’m wrong, and perhaps he gets back on track, but I’m not expecting he’ll be more than a .230 – .245 hitter at best for this team.
Pat M. April 10th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
GB……I took KC on the over 69.5 line…….Mr. Franco, all my point about Chavez being in the lineup was simply this, he swung the bat real nice yesterday and I thought that he would be in today’s game…..Didn’t see that as that stupid of a concept…
Pat, I think KC’s going to surprise teams early on. It’ll be interesting to see what happens when some of the kids show up. Gordon had a big spring and has carried it over to the start of the season. Is this the guy they’ve been waiting on to finally replace George Brett? Of all of the players on that team right now, the one I really like is Billy butler. What a sweet swing. Pity that he can;t play defense.
This is the dumbest argument I can remember.
If this game comes down to us needing to have the backup Chavez instead of Jorge Posada at DH, then we deserve to lose. Bottom line.
New post for the live chat
I love the Yankees, and all the contrbutions made by each player, and Posada has been a big part of the winning, but, there comes a point in every players career that he begins to have a down turn, and I personally think Jorge is at that point.
I hope I’m wrong, and perhaps he gets back on track, but I’m not expecting he’ll be more than a .230 – .245 hitter at best for this team.
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Not after 8 games.
Good night folks, enjoy the game.
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