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Jeter sticking with the game plan

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 11, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post


After last night’s game, hitting coach Kevin Long took offense to the idea that Derek Jeter had abandoned the mechanical changes that were the subject of so much discussion this spring.

“Everybody is talking about abandoning stuff. That’s so far from the truth,” Long said. “I think it’s wrong to write because that’s not right. He really has stayed to the plan. What you want to do when you step in the box is compete, and that’s what he’s doing.”

Jeter’s lead foot has been easy to spot. That foot hasn’t stayed on the ground for every swing, proving that Jeter’s stride has not completely disappeared. And the stride was the most visible part of the changes.

The stride, though, was only a product of the greater goal, Long said. Primarily, Jeter is working to move directly and quickly to the ball. The important thing is that his foot doesn’t cross over toward the plate.

“He’s trying to keep his stride direction and keep his stride short,” Long said. “You work on it as long as you can, and when you go into the game, really all you can do is compete. And that’s what he’s doing… We talked about getting him more in line. That’s it. When we started it we did it with no stride. He’s picked up at times and set it down. And there’ll be times when he goes in, and we’ll discuss it.”

On Saturday, Jeter made it clear that he didn’t want to keep discussing his swing. The subject seems to have worn thin. Jeter is hitting barely better than .200 – and he’s hitting a lot of balls on the ground again – but Joe Girardi said he won’t make any judgments until Jeter’s had 100 to 150 at-bats.

“Obviously I would love for the results to be there, but all you have to worry about is being comfortable,” Jeter said. “I felt pretty comfortable the last few games. (Sunday) I’m sure you could have thrown anybody out there that was comfortable and it would have been an uncomfortable day for them. As long as I’m comfortable, then I’m confident the results will be there.”

There’s no denying that Jeter’s not hitting right now. At this point, it seems the Jeter followers fall into two camps: Those who believe he’s finished based on what he’s shown so far, and those who are reserving judgment until he’s played more than a week and a half. What Long took exception to was not that Jeter’s struggling, but rather the idea that he’s no longer working on the things he set out to master.

“For somebody to say he’s not doing things the way we set out to do, that’s not the truth because he’s really worked hard at it,” Long said. “I don’t agree with that. I think it’s completely opposite of what he’s been trying to do and trying to accomplish.”

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172 Responses to “Jeter sticking with the game plan”

  1. MTU April 11th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    “At this point, it seems the Jeter followers fall into two camps: Those who believe he’s finished based on what he’s shown so far, and those who are reserving judgment until he’s played more than a week and a half.”

    Put me down in the reserving judgement camp.

    ;)

  2. Erin April 11th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    I love that picture of Jeter and Cano so much I had to add it to my cubicle wall this morning. :)

  3. ConcernedCitizen April 11th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    “…those who are reserving judgment until he’s played more than a week and a half.”

    Sign me up for that camp. Yes, what we’ve seen so far is terrible, but give the guy a couple of weeks. Remember, Teix had that miserable start and heated up later in the season. Not saying that’ll happen with Jeter, but we’ll see.

  4. Erin April 11th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    And I almost forgot-

    Happy Birthday Teixeira!!!

  5. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 11th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    (repost since I posted and then saw the thread change)

    I’m not worried at all about Josh Beckett. We all know what adrenaline can do to a competitive person. It isn’t like the guy doesn’t know how to pitch. Do I expect to see that kind of performance from him again this season? Only if he’s pitching when the Sux have a 1-7 record.

    I will admit that last night’s game wasn’t a lot of fun to watch and I can thank my bronchitis (among other things?) for causing me to fall asleep at the bottom of the 8th and waking up when the game was over. So I don’t know who pitched the 9th or how it went down, just that it obviously did.

    My biggest regret about last night’s game? The ahole trolls that have been allowed to overtake our forum with nothing more to add to the forum than continual taunts. When something isn’t going right in a game, it becomes impossible to have any kind of dialogue with other Yankee fans here because of their interjected stupidity. Poor Chad has been run ragged with trying to help us out with all kinds of poster issues, but I think I’ll fine-tooth the TOS to see if those dopes are violating any rules at all. I know that Pete Abe had his own “If you’re coming here just to be an idiot, you’re getting tossed” rule. That’s one thing I give him serious credit for. We were actually able to post without E.R. and Bunny (doesn’t anyone remember Bunny, I don’t remember the entire screen name) around because all they did was posted stupid-ass taunts and really disrupted the flow of the forum.

    Anyway, ONWARD AND UPWARD.

    5-4, 2-7. You pick

  6. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 11th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    MTU – I am definitely in the second camp but in the meantime, I am benching him on my fantasy team. Just being honest.

    :)

  7. 108 stitches April 11th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    It’s good that the Yankees got away from that filthy sewer and are home to a real ballpark. Take Baltimore and Texas very seriously.

  8. MTU April 11th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Trisha-

    response in the last thread.

    ;)

  9. MTU April 11th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Trisha-

    Right now all we can do is hope for the best with Jeter.

    Hope he comes around.

    No point in surrendering before the battle is over.

    ;)

  10. blake April 11th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Trisha,

    Tell Doreen thank you and that I hope.she’s able to return here soon.

    A lot of posters have quit the game threads and Im about to do the same. I love them when you can actually talk to people but its nearly impossible…..its sad its not worth wading through 800 comments of nonsense to try and read the 200 good ones.

  11. blake April 11th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    The Fenway super bowl is over…..the Sox are 2-7. Time.for the Yanks to settle into the season and get on a roll.

  12. Shame Spencer April 11th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    I’ve avoided the game threads for years! I only do the occasional popping in but it was clear to me pretty early on when I first started visiting the blog that game threads became a bit… contentious.

  13. MTU April 11th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Blake-

    Tonight is win-win for us.

    I’m pulling for the Rays to take down the Sux.

    Battle of the basement dwellers.

    Just sit back and enjoy the show.

    :)

  14. Erin April 11th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    blake April 11th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    A lot of posters have quit the game threads

    *************************
    I quit game threads after about my third or fourth one. I think I’d have a better time getting a root canal.

  15. MTU April 11th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Erin-

    You shouldn’t say that with Blake around.

    :)

  16. blake April 11th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    At it’s best the game threads are my favorite time to post because you can discuss what’s going on live with people etc…..at it’s worst though it’s just a troll and complain fest and it seems lately that unless the Yanks are up 5 runs or more then its more that than the former.

  17. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 11th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    While it may not have made a whit of difference in the outcome of the game, the two walks that hurt Joba didn’t come on ball four. I know one of them came on ball three for sure.

    And CC did a magnificent job of keeping the team in it, but he also got jobbed on the outside continually.

    It looks like the HP ump’s strike zone did work for Boone Logan though.

  18. MTU April 11th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Game threads remind me of a song.

    “Teenage wasteland”.

  19. Mike Ri April 11th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    big deal . The sox picked up one game on us….

    I just a bad feeling when Arod was scratched .

  20. LGY April 11th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    To be fair, the concern about Jeter should really be about last year+9 games. Not just 9 games.

  21. brownies April 11th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Our bazzillion dollar line up can’t get 1 run off of beckett! He was just too good and our guys were psyched out. ” ya just tip your hat to him ” . Really? How about showing a little fight and mettle and try to manufacture a Damn run. Disgusting how they wilt in front of the pitching robot josh beckett. Show a little fight

  22. Erin April 11th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Mike Ri April 11th, 2011 at 9:28 am
    big deal . The sox picked up one game on us?.

    I just a bad feeling when Arod was scratched .

    ********************
    Mike-I did too! lol

  23. Doc Iac April 11th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    When do we start worring about jeter?

    Ive seen him drive one ball this yr…and it was an out. (2 if you count 1 foul ball)

    I love jeter, but hes turnin into what bernie williams was for us in 2005/2006…an automatic out…

    that said, the biggest problem is hughes, and ive said it even last yr when he was lucky. You watch his games last yr he consisttly missed his spots, got away with it cause he was throwin decent speed..now..idk

  24. JoeyA April 11th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    agree 100% with LGY.

    People here forget two main things:

    1. Tex is a power hitting 30 yr old who plays 1B. Comparisons of his bad start last year to Jeter is apples to oranges.

    Jeter is 36 yr old SS known for high avg and OBP.

    2. Jeter’s slump isn’t 9 games. It’s about 90 games, considering he didn’t hit all of the 2nd half last season. he’s continuing to put every ball he makes contact with on the ground. He’s wasting any good momentum @ the top of the order with his ground balls and inability to drive the ball.

    I’m not completely giving up on the guy, but he’s clearly lost more than a step.

  25. blake April 11th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    To be clear…..I can’t stand Josh Beckett, but there isn’t a lineup in baseball (including his own) that he wouldn’t have dominated last night. That’s the allure of him….like AJ he can be nearly unhittable on a given day…..he just doesn’t pitch like that or even close to that every game.

  26. Mike Ri April 11th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    I love Jeter. ….. but Jetes is fading ! . ( i hope he proves me wrong ) we just to be patient and ride it out for next 3 years. But he’s the least of our problems right now.

  27. Triple Short of a Cycle April 11th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    MTU,

    You mean Baba Oreilly?

  28. West Coast Yankee Fan April 11th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    The concerns about Beckett were always health related due to his back issues, etc. There’s no question how good he is when healthy.

    And unfortunately, the best player in the series was Dustin Pedroia.

    We lost – moving on.

  29. Triple Short of a Cycle April 11th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    The amazing thing is Jeter because he is Jeter managed to be insulted to get a what amounts to a 4 year deal coming off an awful year. He had his 2009 year last year what would have gotten 5 year 100 million dollars?

    He should have gotten 2 years at 24 with a player option for the third

  30. MTU April 11th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Triple-

    Yeah. Close enough.

    Dating myself, huh ?

    :)

  31. mick April 11th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    For those who noticed I called it right. Chavez did play. Girardi will ride the hot hand and gave Alex a rest against headhunter Beckett. Kudos to CC who retaliated by plunking AGon after Beckett tried to cool down Martin. And yes, Tex is officially in a slump with 3 more strikeouts .

  32. LGY April 11th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Mick

    Alex was a late scratch because he has the flu.

    Unless you are saying you called that Alex would get sick??

  33. blake April 11th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Pedroia is Boston’s best player.

  34. MTU April 11th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    He gave A-gon the Pena treatment.

    Really thought he broke his hand.

  35. mick April 11th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    LGY

    Not convinced of the Alex “flu” thing.
    Beckett would have been gunning for him as he did Martin.
    Chavez deserved another game.

  36. Triple Short of a Cycle April 11th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    MTU,

    Not at all. I love the Who. A lot of people think its called Teenage Wasteland since its the most popular part of the song and featured in the chorus

  37. Shame Spencer April 11th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    blake – I just saw the news in the last thread: Congratulations!! Nothing makes me happier than new generations of Yankee fans.

    And thats a shame about Doreen! I hope she comes back, the blog isnt the same without some of the regulars we’ve lost. And I don’t comment very much but I’ve always enjoyed reading what you guys have to say.

  38. Triple Short of a Cycle April 11th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    blake,

    I would take Youkolis and Agon anyday of Pedroia

  39. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Pedroia had a great series and lifted the rah rah red sox spirits.
    Unfortunately for them Beckett can’t pitch every game.
    Their staff has to come around.
    They always get up for the rs, more than we do for them. It means more to them to beat the big bad Yankees.
    Watch for a letdown tonight against TB.

  40. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    They always get up for the rs
    ==================
    They always get up for the Yankees

  41. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 11th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    I don’t think it’s heretical to say that we may feel Jeter’s best days are behind him, that we may feel that he’s pretty much finishes, or anything else we might feel. The reason I say that is because in my heart of hearts I think there won’t be a Jeter re-emergence. Hopefully my saying that will turn things around.

    I’m never averse to fans expressing that kind of opinion. What I hate is when so-called fans follow it with things like – he’s a bum.

    JMO

  42. LGY April 11th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    LGY Not convinced of the Alex “flu” thing. Beckett would have been gunning for him as he did Martin. Chavez deserved another game.

    —-

    So you are saying that Girardi made up the flu thing so he could sit the Yankees best hitter in favor of Eric Chavez?

    You can’t be serious.

  43. Doc Iac April 11th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    mick r u serious? bench arod for chavez? thank God your not the manager…wow…

  44. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Since you or I do not have the facts, you can believe what you want, it really doesn’t matter what we believe, anything’s possible.

  45. Mell April 11th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    “They always get up for the rs, more than we do for them. It means more to them to beat the big bad Yankees”

    Utter hogwash.

  46. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    So much for Tex hot start, slaying the demons of April.
    He is as cold as ice and needs a day off, not a rainout, to collect his thoughts.

  47. Erin April 11th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    YankeesPR Yankees OF @NickSwisher will join @JoeandEvan on @wfan660 (also wfan.com) at 11:00 am

  48. SJ44 April 11th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Considering Alex was in the regular lineup, and tool BP, believing there was some grand conspiracy going on to bench him for Chavez makes no sense.

  49. Doc Iac April 11th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    think about what u are sayin…bench arod for chavez…arod is off to a good start and the best hitter on the team, ur gona bench him for a guy who had a good game? makes no sense, if giradi wanted to get chavez in wouldnt it make sense to bench posada whos strugglin and have arod dh and chvez at third…ur agrument shows you have no knowledge of the game

  50. Triple Short of a Cycle April 11th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    mick,

    Do you think 2pac is still alive as well?

  51. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    The rs use us to revive themselves.
    They ALWAYS look at Yankee games as a measuring stick.
    Look at their crowd. The Little Engine That Could.
    Ever read that book?
    It is about the lovable Boston rs. Check it out.

  52. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    2pac is dead, andy kauffman and jim morrison are alive.

  53. Erin April 11th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    mick-Alex was in the trainer’s room for most of batting practice because he didn’t feel well.

  54. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Considering Alex was in the regular lineup, and tool BP, believing there was some grand conspiracy going on to bench him for Chavez makes no sense.
    ===================
    We will never know that. It was a day off, that’s all.

  55. SJ44 April 11th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Why would today not be a “day off to collect his thoughts”?

    He doesn’t need 2 days off in April to “collect his thoughts”.

    That’s as ridiculous as believing there was a grand conspiracy to bench Arod and put Eric Chavez in the lineup last night.

  56. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    -Alex was in the trainer’s room for most of batting practice because he didn’t feel well.
    =========================
    Were you in there with him? :)

  57. Bronx Jeers April 11th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Who’s Baba O Reilly anyway?

    I believe Jeter will improve at the plate. His D is not looking so good though.

  58. SJ44 April 11th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Of course we will know that. It’s what actually happened.

    I guess your plan is to dumb down the blog all day with conspiracy theories.

    Looks like it will be a light day here if that’s the plan for the day.

  59. West Coast Yankee Fan April 11th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    A couple of thoughts from last night:

    I don’t think either of the hit batters last night were intentional. Good pitchers like Beckett and Sabbathia throw inside to keep hitters honest and setup the outside corner.

    We all know that winning depends in large part on who stays healthy, and last night we saw how good a healthy Beckett is, and how much he contributes to the Red Sux chances. Ditto with Pedroia.

  60. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    If Tex this keeps up , his plans for a healthy April are squashed and maybe it continues thru May, as did last year.

    What’s wrong with a day off?

  61. MTU April 11th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Jeers-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_O%27Riley

    That should answer your question.

    :)

  62. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    I guess your plan is to dumb down the blog all day with conspiracy theories.
    =============
    From what I’ve seen in here lately , this is a step up.

  63. West Coast Yankee Fan April 11th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Why on earth would you sit one of the best hitters in baseball? If Girardi wanted to play Chavez he would have; at DH. He had the flu! Jeez Louise!

  64. Erin April 11th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:14 am
    -Alex was in the trainer’s room for most of batting practice because he didn’t feel well.
    =========================
    Were you in there with him?

    ************************
    lol….no.

    Somebody (McCarron??) had it on Twitter before the game

  65. Joe from Long Island April 11th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    John and Suzyn reported last night that Alex had flu symptoms. Olney did the same on the ESPN pregame.

  66. Shame Spencer April 11th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    “From what I’ve seen in here lately , this is a step up.”

    Hehehehehehe :D

  67. Shame Spencer April 11th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Can I just add something? I can’t take anyone named Orel seriously. That is all.

  68. Triple Short of a Cycle April 11th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Bronx Jeers ,

    It was a combination of Meher Baba and Terry Riley. 2 of their influences.

  69. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    I don’t think either of the hit batters last night were intentional. Good pitchers like Beckett and Sabbathia throw inside to keep hitters honest and setup the outside corner.
    ===============
    And if they hit a batter, so be it.
    These guys can pinpoint a pitch anywhere they want to.
    Martin was hit on purpose to cool him down.
    Agon was a retaliation.
    Both were mild but intentional.

  70. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Let’s pray for Posada as he looks dumbfounded.

  71. Joe from Long Island April 11th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    very possible that Martin and Gonzalez were thrown at intentionally. only the players know for sure.

  72. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Hopefully Grandy, Posada, Tex, Jeter, and Swisher wake up for the O’s.

  73. West Coast Yankee Fan April 11th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Total speculation on the hit batters; pitchers don’t always have pinpoint control, if they did they would never walk anyone.

  74. TheStraw April 11th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Finally some real baseball discussion here. Last night was a horror show on this blog, but sometimes it is hard to resist the urge to not let these trolls run roughshod over the blog.

    Despite last night’s game, I still believe the Sox are way overrated, especially their pitching staff. No way are they 10 games better than the Yanks, as some predicted. They will need to play well just to make the playoffs in the competitive AL.

    The Yankees are not without their problems, but it is way too early to push the panic button on the hitting woes. Nothing you can do when Beckett throws a game like that.

  75. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Yanks have depended too much on the long ball to win games.
    Also , yes, the formula of josomo is working but it can’t be used everyday.

  76. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    These pitchers can have a gum wrapper for homeplate and hit it.
    Martin was pitched inside, he hit 2 HR’s the day before, Beckett was testing him, being a newbie here.
    Beckett would have beaned Alex to wake up the sox.

  77. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Not buyin “he wouldn’t put the leadoff on there,” or “pitchin inside & the pitch just got away from him.”

    I don’t think AGon would have been hit if Martin had not been.

    CC protecting not only his teammate & preventing any further s*** from Beckett but also protecting his catcher.

    & to that Yankee fans should say CC, YouDaMan.

  78. TheStraw April 11th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    I think Gardner is a bigger problem than Jeter right now, to be honest. One game aside, he is not getting on base enough. His bunt last night was pretty lacking as well. If he can’t get it done, I say let Andruw have a shot at playing everday.

  79. TheStraw April 11th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    And let Derek lead off…the current structure isn’t working.

  80. mypalfish April 11th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    gotta laugh at the article trying to say people are judging jeter based on a week and a half when the truth is the entire second half of last season is factored in, as well. and no word about the crappy effort going to his left.

    i watched henry aaron when he came back to milwaukee and each AB got sadder and sadder. he had lost all bat speed and sometimes would swing when the ball had already hit the cather’s mitt.

    jeter is only going to get worse. that’s what happens when age takes over. striding and swing mechanics do nothing to ward away father time.

  81. Tom in N.J. April 11th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Alex, in preparation for his film debut with his girl, went full method actor last night. He pretended to have the flu because he didn’t want to play against Beckett. He was afraid he’d get hit. Daniel Day Lewis iwas not impressed.

  82. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Gardner is an unproven quantity, small sample size as they say.
    He was a walk on in college.
    He has speed but doesn’t know how to use it.
    Not a long term fix here.

  83. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 11th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    “Despite last night’s game, I still believe the Sox are way overrated, especially their pitching staff. No way are they 10 games better than the Yanks, as some predicted. They will need to play well just to make the playoffs in the competitive AL.”

    Alpha

    “The Yankees are not without their problems, but it is way too early to push the panic button on the hitting woes. Nothing you can do when Beckett throws a game like that.”

    Omega

  84. Shame Spencer April 11th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Brett Gardner > Andruw “my parents didn’t know how to spell” Jones

  85. West Coast Yankee Fan April 11th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Garcia’s start is going to be really interesting for me. I have my doubts his 2011 stuff translates into being effective in the AL East. Every tea in this division can hit (well maybe not TB) and unless he has great command, that soft junk he throws is going to get jacked. He looks like a potential Javy reincarnate.

    I don’t think he will have a long leash at all in that slot; Colon looks much better. You have to love that two-seamer to lefties and that he’s throwing 92-94. And Cashman is going to make a deal for a pitcher; I’m as positive as I can be about that.

  86. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 11th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    I see the lead ahole troll, “mypalfish”, has slithered in.

    PLEASE DO NOT FEED THAT TROLL ANYTHING.

    PLEASE!

  87. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Gardner is a slap hitter with a good eye who is easily overpowered.
    He is not the answer, not a good enough hitter to manage 100 walks which would lead to 75 stolen bases.
    When will Heathcott be ready? I hear he is tearing it up.

  88. mypalfish April 11th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Someone said that AJ was comparable to Beckett. When was the last time AJ was as dominating as that gem Beckett tossed last night?

    Fans are giddy now when AJ gets through five innings and gives up three runs.

  89. hardwired7 April 11th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    I wonder of Bobby Valentine woke up this morning still talking about Varitek’s trip to the mound, otherwise known as the Greatest Display of Leadership in the History of the Universe?

    I still don’t miss Joe Morgan, but that was honestly just brutal last night.

    How about this classic: “They forgot to measure his heart.”

  90. mypalfish April 11th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Trisha,

    You really make it look EFFORTLESS!

  91. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    mypalfish makes some cogent observations…

  92. Shame Spencer April 11th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    “Someone said that AJ was comparable to Beckett. When was the last time AJ was as dominating as that gem Beckett tossed last night?”

    When was the last time Beckett was as dominating as that gem?

    2003?

  93. Shame Spencer April 11th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    “I wonder of Bobby Valentine woke up this morning still talking about Varitek’s trip to the mound, otherwise known as the Greatest Display of Leadership in the History of the Universe?”

    HAHAHAHAHAHA! Hardwired, you read my mind. I was watching the game with my friends and we were sorta shocked that a trip out to the mound could be considered such a vet move.

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    ANdruw knows how to hit LHP. THat’s what counts.

    Heathcott isn’t ready,so forget about that. Gardner needs to find a balance between taking pitches & looking for a pitch to hit. If he can’t, just like with pitching,the Yanks have chips to make moves for upgrades if they choose that road. I hope that does not happen if it involves any Bs or Montero (or Sanchez).

    good thing is Baltimore & Toronto fell last night. Alex didn’t play, we’re in the driver’s seat & Hellboy may have a lot to say about Boston putting together a 2-game win streak,which would be their first of the season.

  95. TheStraw April 11th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    See, I think Gardner is great as a part-time platoon player/change of pace. I agree that he is not a long term solution at an outfield spot. People fall in love with him because he is still cost-controlled, but I would rather pay a little more and get more consistent production, although who that is I am not really sure.

  96. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    hame Spencer April 11th, 2011 at 10:37 am
    “Someone said that AJ was comparable to Beckett. When was the last time AJ was as dominating as that gem Beckett tossed last night?”

    When was the last time Beckett was as dominating as that gem?

    2003?

    ///
    AJ pitched a very good Game Two in the 2009 WS to keep the Yanks from goin down 0-2. Was the biggest game of that series.

    He was dominating in that 15 inns game in August of that yr (opposite Beckett if IIRC & Alex HR off the Japanese kid, I think we won 2-0).

  97. mypalfish April 11th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    “How about this classic: “They forgot to measure his heart.””

    If Pedroia played for the Yanks, fans would want to enact a monument for the guy. A guy that actually hustles and produces would be golden in NY.

    Heck, Swisher is a favorite with some because he comes to the plate with a stupid grin on his face, and it never fails that he then swings wildly at the first pitch in the dirt. He then nods his head like a fool and proceeds to get himself out after a few more pitches.

    Pedroia can actually play the game well and has a high baseball IQ. He’d be the most popular Yankee if he played in NY.

  98. Triple Short of a Cycle April 11th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan,

    He could have had Haren last year but turned it down. Joba,Nova who else was in that deal that Cash wouldn’t do?

  99. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    I think when they got Jones thy did it as insurance for Gardner.
    Thames could not play the field and Jones can.
    This will be a platoon if he keeps hitting and he might get a shot against rightys as well.

  100. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Pedroia can actually play the game well and has a high baseball IQ. He’d be the most popular Yankee if he played in NY.
    ===================
    As would Youkilis.

  101. TheStraw April 11th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    And Jeter, whether anyone likes it or not, has earned the right to keep trying until he decides he can’t do it anymore. 5 rings and 3,000 hits will earn that for you. It may not be ideal, but it is what it is.

    Imagine if people were calling for Mo’s ouster every time he blew a save.

  102. Shame Spencer April 11th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Straw – you make a fair point but I just don’t see Andruw as the answer. I’m really hoping he proves me wrong this season but I think its more likely the guy isn’t on our roster by the All-Star break.

  103. Erin April 11th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    hardwired7 April 11th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    How about this classic: ?They forgot to measure his heart.?

    ***************************

    :roll:

    It’s really sad that I actually missed Miller and Morgan last night. LOL

  104. Patrick April 11th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Obviously 9 games or whatever is too early to say Jeter is done, but man he looks finished. To say he’s “not hitting” is kind. He’s not hitting, he’s not making solid contact, he’s not getting the ball out of the infield and his bat just looks slow.

    I’m going to reserve judgement but he doesn’t look as bad as last year. He looks worse.

  105. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Straw,

    It would be nice if Melky Mesa could take a giant step forward. I’ll see a lot of him now he’s in Trenton,too bad he can’t work with Kevin Long day & night, same for Golson. I’d put Gardner back at the nine spot & see if he can become more assertive while still takin his walks before having him carved into the LO spot.

  106. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    I don’t see the Yanks giving Swisher 10.25m next year.

  107. Shame Spencer April 11th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock – I’ve seen AJ be fantastic. My point was not that Aj hasn’t had shinning moments recently but that neither has Beckett.

  108. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    I think when they got Jones thy did it as insurance for Gardner.
    Thames could not play the field and Jones can.
    //

    yea that’s pretty clear. Jones hits lefties & isn’t what he was as a defensive player but can still get to balls well enough to coast.

  109. mick April 11th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Nobody is really hitting on this team.
    Martin is our MVP at the moment.

  110. TheStraw April 11th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    I’d give Golson a shot. He has plus speed, is just as good defensively or better than Gardner and might be able to do as good or better job with the bat. Jones is nothing but a short term fix, but he has been raking so far this year. If he can put together a full season, that would be more than enough. He won’t be on the team next year anyhow.

  111. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Shame Spencer April 11th, 2011 at 10:47 am
    J. Alfred Prufrock – I’ve seen AJ be fantastic. My point was not that Aj hasn’t had shinning moments recently but that neither has Beckett.

    ///
    I agree & I think AJ is better disposed to having more shining moments than Josh,who has more chronic body ailments.

  112. West Coast Yankee Fan April 11th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Triple – so true about Haren. I’m not sure what the final offer was.

  113. Triple Short of a Cycle April 11th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    TheStraw,

    Other then Rivera throwing less innings and his K rate being down he has not shown a decline in the results he is being paid to do and that is get saves so that comparison to Jeter is not accurate. Because Jeter is Jeter is should dictate where he hits in the lineup and how long he stays there? This is a business. If Jeter is still hitting this way come June he will be moved down. If he is still hitting this way in year 3 he will be a part time player

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 11th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    “mypalfish makes some cogent observations…”

    Why does this not surprise me coming from you.

    You weren’t around during the game to have to listen to his continuing swill trashing the Yankees and elevating everything about the Sux.

    SJ has called you right.

  115. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 11th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    cogent my ass

  116. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    TheStraw April 11th, 2011 at 10:51 am
    I’d give Golson a shot. He has plus speed, is just as good defensively or better than Gardner and might be able to do as good or better job with the bat. Jones is nothing but a short term fix, but he has been raking so far this year. If he can put together a full season, that would be more than enough. He won’t be on the team next year anyhow.
    ///

    Golson is IMO the best defensive outfielder in the organization (of course haven’t seen all the OF prospects we have in the lower levels who are still developing). But he doesn’t take walks like Gardner & strikes out a ton. If he could cut down on that & get on base,he’d be in the mix. But that’s a major IF & I don’t know how much the Yanks will invest in helping him try to develop those skills. I do like him a lot though. yea Andruw like mick said is basically Thames with a better glove, so he should play that role well enough IMO.

  117. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 11th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    EVERYBODY ELSE – PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL KNOWN AS MYPALFISH.

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  118. yankeefeminista April 11th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Beckett is only “healthy” b/c it is two weeks into the season. He is a #4, #3 pitcher at best. Why is there any conversation about him being able to sustain what he did yesterday? He hasn’t be able to do so since 2007.

    ARod would not be benched in a million years in order to avoid Beckett. What a concept!

    I am definitely in the second camp on Jeter. No panic about our lineup in general.

    Hellickson vs. Matsuzaka on ESPN tonight. Go Hellboy and Rays! (Something to do while we have an off day)

    FTR, Manny Banny, Bryan Mitchell and DJ Mitchell, all pitch tonight.

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 11th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    OT – does anyone know how you get a window to open to a full page when all of the windows are opening with just the top of the page showing?

    Thank you.

  120. Bronx Jeers April 11th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    So Baba O Reilly is kind of like “Pink- Floyd”

    Or my future son who will be named “Mariano Jeter”

  121. TheStraw April 11th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Triple-

    I agree with you, there is no question he is not what he once was. But I think he has earned the right to have more than 34 at bats before saying that this year will be as bad as last year. I would not be against moving him down if they had legitimate options for the top of the order. But, Brett isn’t faring any better and I don’t see many other options for the top of the order other than taking a shot on some of the minor leaguers.

    Like I said, it is what it is. Not optimal.

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 11th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    “Beckett is only “healthy” b/c it is two weeks into the season. He is a #4, #3 pitcher at best. Why is there any conversation about him being able to sustain what he did yesterday? He hasn’t be able to do so since 2007. ”

    Yankfem, I am doing a lot of skimming b/c of multitasking necessities, but I wouldn’t think any lucid person would make any kind of assumptions about yesterday and Beckett other than it was a major aberration. A blind squirrel finding a nut.

    “ARod would not be benched in a million years in order to avoid Beckett. What a concept”

    More nuttiness apparently. Maybe some posters drank themselves to sleep and are still hung over?

    :roll:

    If Arod were “benched” for any reason other than illness, you can bet your sweet backside he would have come into the game as a pinch hitter at some point.

  123. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Pedroia can actually play the game well and has a high baseball IQ. He’d be the most popular Yankee if he played in NY.

    ///
    Pedroia’s a fine player but the Yanks have the best 2B in baseball possibly the best position player in all of the game.

  124. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 11th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    J AL – the guy’s a troll. You’re making it worse for those of us who have to be on game threads with him. Please don’t engage him.

  125. yankeefeminista April 11th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2011 at 11:01 am
    Pedroia can actually play the game well and has a high baseball IQ. He’d be the most popular Yankee if he played in NY.

    ///
    Pedroia’s a fine player but the Yanks have the best 2B in baseball possibly the best position player in all of the game.
    ______
    Yeah, but Pedey is scrappier, dontcha know? ;)

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  127. TheStraw April 11th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    And let’s not forget–that was a close to a “must-win” series for Boston as there can be in April. They were desparate and dropping two of three to the Yanks at home would have been a sh-tstorm for them. And yet they still didn’t look that great in the two games they won, aside from Beckett’s first good outing in two years.

  128. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    yankeefeminista April 11th, 2011 at 10:57 am
    Beckett is only “healthy” b/c it is two weeks into the season. He is a #4, #3 pitcher at best. Why is there any conversation about him being able to sustain what he did yesterday? He hasn’t be able to do so since 2007.

    ARod would not be benched in a million years in order to avoid Beckett. What a concept!

    I am definitely in the second camp on Jeter. No panic about our lineup in general.

    Hellickson vs. Matsuzaka on ESPN tonight. Go Hellboy and Rays! (Something to do while we have an off day)

    FTR, Manny Banny, Bryan Mitchell and DJ Mitchell, all pitch tonight.

    ///
    Yup, yup & yup. Hell yea on Hellboy! Maybe he can put up 10 Ks again. Speakin of Ks, some of those hilites on Weaver were just filthy. He’s really reached a nother level.

  129. Triple Short of a Cycle April 11th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    TheStraw,

    I’m not saying to move him down right this second but Swisher was good last year in the 2 hole. To me Martin would be a great guy to have in the 2 hole. He is a good on base guy with some pop and some speed mixed in. I think Gardner will be ok. I have more confidence in him then Jeter at this point.

  130. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Yeah, but Pedey is scrappier, dontcha know?
    ///

    yea scrappy is better than better we know that ;).

  131. TheStraw April 11th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Triple–

    Might be worth a shot putting Martin at 2. I have not a lot of confidence in either Jeter or Gardner at this point.

    For that matter, I would bat Cano third, and Tex fifth.

  132. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 11th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    I have a great idea. Maybe we can ask Chad if we can have trolls banned just from game threads. Let them get their jollies when it doesn’t matter. If they don’t do something, the only people who’ll be left on game threads will be the trolls!

  133. Triple Short of a Cycle April 11th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Weaver has 4 pitches working for him. People thought the K’s jump were a mirage last year but so far he has proved them wrong. With a better offense and a better pen last year he would have won 18 games. So far I am glad I chose him over Price in my fantasy league

  134. backbench April 11th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Gardner has some talents but really appears to be lost at the plate. He doesn’t seem to realize the full scope of what’s going on.

    Case in point last night was his at bat in the top of the 6th. His pitcher had just come off the field after throwing 30 pitches and he doesn’t take a single pitch. He pushes a hard bunt to Pedroia.

    Gardner, Jeter and Tex strained Beckett for a total of 7 pitches and put CC right back out on the mound. Ouch.

  135. Patrick April 11th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    It’s too early in the season to do lineup shuffles…

  136. TheStraw April 11th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Or Alex third, Robbie fourth and Tex fifth. Tex should really not be batting third.

  137. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue April 11th, 2011 at 11:03 am
    J AL – the guy’s a troll. You’re making it worse for those of us who have to be on game threads with him. Please don’t engage him.

    ///
    huh?who??

  138. Shame Spencer April 11th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    I really like Martin down low in the order. He has a lot of tools and with all the other players on our team, we don’t need him hitting at the top. I like him around Gardner and Granderson especially because they all have speed. Its a plus that Martin and Granderson can show flashes of power. When those guys get on in the 7-8-9 spots, it can only spell trouble for the other team.

  139. mick April 11th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Martin at the bottom is like Broscius and his 100 rbi;s…let him be.

  140. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle April 11th, 2011 at 11:08 am
    Weaver has 4 pitches working for him. People thought the K’s jump were a mirage last year but so far he has proved them wrong. With a better offense and a better pen last year he would have won 18 games. So far I am glad I chose him over Price in my fantasy league
    ///

    seeing is believing. His stuff looked crazy good.I was lurking on a Red Sox board & those guys were sayin we need to get Weaver & I’m like dream on (didn’t post just laughed). He’s gonna be fun to watch (though not to face).

  141. TheStraw April 11th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Another big problem is that if Jorge doesn’t start hitting, it presents a nightmare for roster construction. If he can’t catch and he can’t hit, then he is taking up a valuable spot on the 25 man roster. And while I think it is too early to pull the plug on him just yet, if he continues slumping into say, June, it needs to addressed.

    But, like with Jeter, the problem is how. At least Jeter provides some value in the field. May just have to bite the bullet, send Molina down at get Jorge ready to be the backup catcher. Giving him the fourth year really was a bad move–which is why they insisted on the team option for Jeter for the fourth year.

  142. tyanksfan36 April 11th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Yankeefem

    Are you still around?

  143. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Posada will hit not worried about him. He can’t catch though without putting his health at great risk. too many concussions.

    well time for some java at small world. good one, all.

  144. yankeefeminista April 11th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    tyanksfan36 April 11th, 2011 at 11:18 am
    Yankeefem

    Are you still around?
    _______
    Yes, for a little while longer. What is up? How did your morning go?

  145. yankeefeminista April 11th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2011 at 11:20 am
    Posada will hit not worried about him. He can’t catch though without putting his health at great risk. too many concussions.

    well time for some java at small world. good one, all.
    ______
    Small World FTW. Best coffee in the world. Have one for me!

  146. Erin April 11th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    New Post: Swisher making unannounced appearances today

    :arrow:

  147. Triple Short of a Cycle April 11th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    TheStraw,

    I thought it is a player option for Jeter?

  148. tyanksfan36 April 11th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Yankeefem

    my morning went well. My observation was at 10am but I started late since the kids got out of PE late. My supervisor didnt even get to see my group activity so I hope she saw enough good things while she was observing.

    I went to bed before I could respond to your last comment. On Thursday when Brett Marshall pitched, he said that the balls that they hit hard were changeups. I dont know if he wasnt locating them or what, they said that his pitches were elevated. He only got up to about 92 was his highest pitch mph. I hope that answered what you had wanted to know.

  149. cs in la April 11th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Oh my god, you all sound liek Red Sox fans….panicking when we lose. A TIGHT GAME.

    For the first week of the season, we were arguably the best team in baseball – we would have won on Friday night if Girardi had pulled Phil earlier, we crushed them on Saturday and last night was a classic pitchers duel. As much as I really dislike Beckett, he pitched well and avoided his usual 4th inning meltdown- I really was waiting for him to give up a few hits, bean someone, throw the game away and toss the Gatorade cooler in front of the national media like he usually does. But last night they got lucky.

    One game, I really does not make a season. Doesn’t even make a week. We’ll be fine, we always are. And if I was a Red Sox fan, I’d be worried, they’re not as good as they think.

  150. yankfanne April 11th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    I’d like to know which it is – “Jeter Sticking WIth the Game Plan” (article here) or “Yankees Coach: Jeter Nixed New Stride” http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=6324954

    Either way, we are looking at a continuation of last season’s decline & I would be shocked to see Jeter defy Father Time. Should be real “interesting” to see what he can bring to the table in the last yr of his contract 3-4 yrs from now.

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    # TheStraw April 11th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    I’d give Golson a shot. He has plus speed, is just as good defensively or better than Gardner and might be able to do as good or better job with the bat. Jones is nothing but a short term fix, but he has been raking so far this year. If he can put together a full season, that would be more than enough. He won’t be on the team next year anyhow.

    ================================

    Jones. is “raking”? Is he working the field before games or what ?

    He’s got 2 hits in 5 AB’s.

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