Game 11: Yankees vs. Orioles
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Apr 14, 2011 
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YANKEES (6-4)
Brett Gardner LF
Derek Jeter SS
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher RF
Jorge Posada DH
Curtis Granderson CF
Russell Martin C
RHP Phil Hughes (0-1, 16.50)
Hughes vs. Orioles
ORIOLES (6-4)
Brian Roberts 2B
Nick Markakis RF
Derrek Lee 1B
Vladimir Guerrero DH
Luke Scott LF
Adam Jones CF
Mark Reynolds 3B
Matt Wieters C
Cesar Izturis SS
RHP Jake Arrieta (1-1, 8.68)
Arrieta vs. Yankees
TIME/TV: 7:05 p.m., YES Network
WEATHER: Finally, a nice night at Yankee Stadium. It was actually a terrific day here in New York. Only slightly chilly at game time. Not too bad. I’ll take it, for sure.
UMPIRES: HP Dana DeMuth, 1B Kerwin Danley, 2B Paul Nauert, 3B Doug Eddings
CELEBRATING JACKIE: Tomorrow is Jackie Robinson Day. All MLB players, coaches and umpires will wear No. 42. The Yankees will have an on-field ceremony that will include Rachel Robinson — Jackie’s wife — along with their daughter Sharon, two scholars from the Jackson Robinson Foundation and members of the Tuskegee Airmen.
STILL CATCHING, STILL SITTING: According to the Elias Sport Bureau, Russell Martin is the only Major Leaguer to play every one of his team’s innings behind the plate this season. Gustavo Molina is the only MLB player who has been active since Opening Day and has yet to get in a game.
ON TO THE NEXT ONE: Alex Rodriguez needs five RBI to tie Carl Yastrzemski for 10th place on baseball’s all-time RBI list. Yesterday he tied All Simmons and Ted Williams for 11th place.
UPDATE, 7:09 p.m.: Didn’t catch the velocity on Hughes’ first pitch, but I saw all 90-mph fastballs, then a 91, then a 92. The fly ball by Markakis was 90 on the stadium gun.
UPDATE, 7:35 p.m.: A fan right in front of the press box just reacted to a routine pop to second base as if it were a home run. He clearly thought it was gone off the bat. The ball didn’t leave the infield. Meanwhile, Hughes has been 90-91 with his fastball. A few have been 89, but I feel like I’ve seen more 90 and 91. Either way, it’s pretty much the same as before. Nothing drastic one way or the other.
UPDATE, 7:40 p.m.: Nick Markakis hit an 86-mph cutter for a two-run homer.
UPDATE, 7:55 p.m.: Now it’s looking like more 89 than 90 out of Hughes, pretty much exactly what we’ve seen in the first two starts. He just allowed another run on a deep sacrifice fly in the fourth. It’s 3-0 Orioles.
UPDATE, 8:16 p.m.: Hughes is finished after 4.1 innings. He was pulled after an RBI double that put the Orioles in front 4-0. It’s actually been his best start of the year, but his fastball velocity was right back where it’s been, 89-90 and touching 92. Bartolo Colon is in out of the bullpen.
UPDATE, 8:53 p.m.: The Yankees are chipping away, one run in the fifth inning and now a run on Mark Teixeira’s RBI double in the sixth. It’s 5-2 with two on and the heart of the order up.
UPDATE, 8:55 p.m.: Make that 5-3 on Alex Rodriguez’s sacrifice fly.
UPDATE, 9:31 p.m.: After the Yankees pulled within one in the seventh, they now need Joba Chamberlain to keep it there. He’s out of the pen with runners at the corners and one out in the eighth. Nice work by Bartolo Colon to give the Yankees a shot. I still can’t believe how well that signing has worked out so far. Even if this is all the Yankees get out of Colon, he’s been a good low-money gamble by Brian Cashman. Kind of the opposite of the Pedro Feliciano deal.
UPDATE, 9:34 p.m.: Seeing it live, I thought Pie touched the plate. Seeing the replay, I think he was out. See, that extra weight on Joba came in handy. It’s hard to move him.
UPDATE, 9:48 p.m.: Had a chance to tie there in the eighth, but Swisher grounded to second with two on and two outs. It’s still 5-4 heading into the top of the ninth.
UPDATE, 10:04 p.m.: The Yankees have officially overcome the Phil Hughes deficit. Jorge Posada’s leadoff homer in the ninth has sent us into extra innings. Curtis Granderson followed the home run with a double, but Martin, Gardner and Jeter left him stranded. Here’s Rivera in the top of the 10th, tied at 5.
GO YANKEES!!!
Enjoy the game everyone.
Hughesie will hit 99 on the gun.
Come on Hughes. Show us something tonight
lets go Phil!
trisha – true pinstriped blue April 14th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Triple, you’re all underestiming just how smart he is. Someone doesn’t have to post like a rhodes scholar to be highly intelligent.
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Just keep complimenting the troll/script kiddie…
Replay of last night, score early and Often. Go Yanks.
hughes- I’ll take 5 strong innings of 3 run ball please.
4 straight 90 fastballs….
still 90 but location better early on.
Here is the early report on Hughes fastball. 90 mph but with an incredibly high PFX value, which means it isn’t dropping as much as anyone expects. This value will decrease HRs on flyballs and represents good ‘life’.
At the very least he might be able to live with that.
Hopefully he can pump it up faster though.
Hughes at 90-91…
91 and 92….. good news.
92
Phil, Phil, Phil, and Phil.
Furthermore, Phil.
Concluding, Phil.
he’s location a little better. Looks slightly better tonight so far.
wish Jorge Vazquez could play the outfield corners. He is a beast.
all we need from hughes is quantifiable improvement from start to start
it’s a long season, we need him strong for the playoffs
jacksquat – whatever.
Just concentrate on the game.
Bye.
It really isn’t about velocity. Phil had elite command numbers coming up through the minors. He needs to locate if he’s going to dominate.
Location and speed a bit better… maybe a couple more games and he is back to 94.
Well that’s a very, very nice thing to see.
That last pitch was a hanging cutter, Hughes got lucky.
But I’m not complaining, he got a 1-2-3 inning, has he done that yet this year?
i like strikeouts!
solid opening inning
Velocity is a little better….though I think he beat Lee there more because Lee is old. I do see improvement since last start though so that is good
It did hang a bit, though Derek Lee wasn’t likely to do much but foul it off. He’s no good with pitches up and in at this point in his career.
Still, the pitches away set it up. He wasn’t *just* lucky.
Hey, 90-91 is better than 87-88.. Ill take it.
i think that last 89 was a cutter and not a straight fastball…
Better location. I would not celebate yet though. A couple of those outs were on pitches that were in not the best location.
It was a 90 mph hanging cutter, not really a hanging cutter. It wasn’t the slider-type cutter. Its the subtle movement one that gets 10% swinging strikes for reasons like that.
Very happy with that inning for Hughes going forward,. His fastballs all have incredibly high PFX values which means the ball isn’t dropping as much as a hitters brain would think. This will lead to them swinging through/under it. Its what keeps his fastball in the park relative to league average.
Unfortunately the one curve he threw kind of sucked.
Nick, Phil?
There ya go kid!
I really feel like Brett doesn’t have the track record to stay in the leadoff spot when he’s struggling like this.
bojo – answered you on previous thread,
“but with an incredibly high PFX value, which means it isn’t dropping as much as anyone expects. This value will decrease HRs on flyballs and represents good ‘life’. ”
I am not sure what you mean by it “isnt”dropping as much representing good life.
Does that mean batters are hitting under the ball.
We are just looking for improvement tonight I think…..it may not be significant but we just need to see the lines going up so to speak….good first
It was a 90 mph hanging cutter, not really a hanging cutter. It wasn’t the slider-type cutter. Its the subtle movement one that gets 10% swinging strikes for reasons like that.
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I know, which is why I said I wasn’t complaining.
Never mind.
Yes, Phil.
Jerkface, the real question is, what was the nasty factor on Phil’s pitches???
Nice change-up to get Tex
I am not sure what you mean by it “isnt”dropping as much representing good life.
Does that mean batters are hitting under the ball.
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When a hitter is looking at something flying at them, like a baseball, their brain is calculating how much they think it is going to drop due to gravity. This is one of the ways a hitter is going to hit a baseball.
The high PFX value means that Hughes fastball looks like its going to drop 2 inches, but in reality only drops 1 inch. Thus creating the illusion of the ‘rising’ fastball.
Hitters are going to swing under/through it. Someone did a study with pitchfx data and found that pitchers with a PFX value on their fastball around 10+ has a correlation with giving up less HRs than average on those pitches.
Without highly visible movement the PFX variable is one of the ways to check out a guys fastball. David Robertson is another guy with good PFX variable.
Where was that pitch!?!?
Vlad is potentially a dangerous matchup
why do you throw anything close to the plate ahead 1-2 on Vlad…..just make no sense.
So far so good. I admit I was all for taking Phil out of the rotation until he found his way.
Okay so Vladdy just got a single. I’m not thinking it’s the beginning of the end…
blake, as you were saying.
if phil cant get the borderline calls, it is going to be rough for him…
Also, and just as an aside (unless people are still showing up) the Stadium looked pretty empty.
made a good pitch there….good spot up and in.
Very poor pitch selection (and location) to Vlady. The guy swings at curveballs in the dirt…
Hughes velocity still isn’t really there, but his fastball looks better.
I’ve always thought that part of the reason that Vlad is always dangerous is that he has arms that almost hit the ground. He can reach anything!
Trisha, they are probably in shock that it’s not raining. They’ll be there
Or maybe they went to CitiField for the DH, and then to Yankee Stadium tonight
Hughes looks much better. The strike zone is very small so far…
“Hughes velocity still isn’t really there, but his fastball looks better.”
yes, a little better velocity but looks more alive and less flat. Helps that he’s locating better and throwing less cutters,.
I’m not concerned about Hughes. I’m more concerned about the organization’s apparent inability to help him expedite the process to find his fastball.
Phil can be a good pitcher throwing this way, but he can be one of the best pitchers in the major leagues with his normal fastball.
The impact of the latter is significant enough that it could be the difference between us having to mortgage prospects at the deadline to acquire another starter, or significant enough to be the difference between us running away with the division or making it close.
i agree, the velo is slowing rising, but it looks more explosive tonight.
looks to me like Phil is rushing to the plate..
what a pick by Martin.
85 mph down the middle…
good thing it’s Reynolds and not Cabrera
:O
looks like his breaking ball is nowhere to be found tonight.
that was a nice looking curve….
best curveball he’s thrown in I don’t know how long.
Hughes looks somewhat better than he has so far this season.
But he’s still simply not finishing his pitches normally.
Jerk
How is PFX measured? For that matter I am not sure how pitch FX is measured either.
There’s the curve. Nice one.
GREAT off speed breaking ball.
nice pitch
So far so good for Phil
Now that was a good curveball. Hughes is still fighting his location, but he looks worlds better than his first two starts.
His velocity might not be what it should but you can see he has a lot more life on the ball. In his 1st 2 starts he had nothing.
Hughes does look better but he’s made far too many mistake pitches so far.
And as I type that he throws his best pitch of the night… Yes, please.
Sorry, but 90mph more often than not will result in Hughes getting pounded.
“But he’s still simply not finishing his pitches normally.”
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CB, can you quantify it for me a little bit?
I’m blacked out on MLB.tv and my dad isn’t watching at home.
Rumor has it, Yanks turned tweaked the calibration on the radar gun by 1mph.
Very nice pitch by PH!
P you were saying.
Where was that curve to Vlady?
CB,
no he’s not but he does appear to be locating better and does look a little stronger…..fastball looks more alive tonight.
Salliedogs7,
Yeah, thought that myself.. that was a beautiful pitch !
I’ll take it…
i feel like you have to jam Vlad in…
Hughes looks somewhat better than he has so far this season.
But he’s still simply not finishing his pitches normally
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CB -
What exactly are you seeing?
Feel like Yanks will need 5+ runs tonight. Time to get after Arrieta.
The key to Vlad is never throwing him a strike….especially if you are ahead of him.
Good eye Arod.
It’s not the velocity it’s the location. Hughes looks good. He’s throwing 90-91 and he averaged 92.5 last year. He’s throwing a fastball, cutter and breaking ball. No big deal.
Cano is due….
How is PFX measured? For that matter I am not sure how pitch FX is measured either.
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3 cameras measuring the pitch out of the pitchers hand as it goes to the plate.
The “Pitch-f/x” value is the measurement of the distance between the location of the actual pitch thrown over the plate, and the calculated location of a ball thrown by the pitcher in the same way, with no spin; this is the value MLB.com provided in Enhanced Gameday last season as “Break.”
“Break” is now defined as the measurement of the greatest distance between the trajectory of the pitch at any point between the release point and the front of home plate, and the straight line path from the release point and the front of home plate. By this definition, for example, a Barry Zito curveball will have a much greater Break value than a Brad Penny fastball.
Hughes is averaging 89.83 on his fastball, I don’t see any improvement w/ velocity. The reason he’s had success thus far is location
Hughes is hitting 91 and 92 when he didnt before….
for that crap…
Hughes is hitting 91 and 92 when he didnt before….
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He maxed out at 90.9 mph
G-C,
I can’t really quantify it as it’s a qualitative issue. It’s just how he’s throwing the ball. You have to see the way he throwing the ball.
It’s a bit better but not normal.
I’m encouraged but on the whole I just don’t like watching it. It just doesn’t feel right.
His arm still isn’t as fast. And he’s not getting on top of the ball. His extension through the ball isn’t like hit normally is. He’s less kinetic to the plate.
But given how bad he looked last time there was almost no way he was just going to return to normal 4 days later.
This is going to take small incremental improvements. Let’s hoping we’re seeing the start of that trending process.
Patrick,
He’s also had success bc Baltimore hasn’t made him pay for several mistake pitches.
He can’t continue like this or they’ll eventually get to him.
He is locating better, but still not good enough.
He maxed out at 90.9 mph
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Not according to the gun on tv. have seen a few 92.
I don’t see that Patrick. Whoever is measuring that must be including a couple of cutters. He hit 92 and has thrown 90-91 most of the time.
patrick, will you take a 90 mph fastball with good location as long as the changeup is a lot slower?
Maybe its time to move Swisher down a little
lucky…water walker…..this won’t last for Areolla.
God, sometimes I wish hitters would take a walk instead of trying to do to much.
down where? Posada and Granderson are batting under .200 too.
patrick, will you take a 90 mph fastball with good location as long as the changeup is a lot slower?
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For a number 5 starter yes.
For a future ace like Hughes showed flashes of last year? hell no
Also – it doesn’t look to me like he driving through the pitch with his legs the way he does when he’s throwing well.
In turn he’s not getting over the ball the way he usually does.
ac1,
Id rather see Martin hitting ahead of him
CB-
Is it the short stride length- not using his legs- that might be attributing to the loss of velocity with Hughes?
hughes is getting outs and that confidence will build, hopefully for the next starts…
nice….no walker still in tact.
Phil isn’t locating his changeup at all (unless those 84-85 balls were cutters with little cut.)
And hes thrown one curveball.
Orioles hitters are letting him off the hook, which is fine, but I agree with CB. Still not looking great.
Id rather see Martin hitting ahead of him
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Maybe, but then you have posada, granderson, gardner in a row.
Poor Pedro
Hughes’ velocity is even worse this inning
You must have been reading my mind CB-you just answered my question.
what happened to Pedro?
Sounds like Marte will be back for the playoffs, if at all.
Yankee Trader,
That could be part of it. Or it could just be that his arm doesn’t feel right so he’s trying to do some weird compensation thing with his legs.
For example, if he’s not able to stay on top of the ball normally through his arm action he may be trying to stay taller on the mound to create angle which prevents him from driving through his legs.
He just looks ugly out on the mound. It’s marginally better but still far from what he usually is. It’s not even close.
Gameday rounds fastball velocities. So 91 on gameday was actually 90.7 and 90.6
Too many 89mph fastballs. Maybe he’ll get away with that tonight, but Baltimore has missed a bunch of very hittable pitches.
And there we go…HR Baltimore.
Hughes is not good.
Hammered again off his crappy cutter
crud….not worried
I see what some of you are saying…
Patrick,
Yep.
I would tell Bartolo to get ready.
And there you go. That was inevitable. He’s not even close to where he should be.
And now it’s the second time through.
is it possible that phil has a hamstring issue? it seems his legs just aren’t there
That was a mistake. Over the plate – missed location.
grrr..the cutter
Terrible cutter. His fastball is getting guys out.
middle of the plate…
and now he is back to 89…
Velocity means nothing if he can’t control his pitches. That’s Phil’s biggest problem right now.
This has to be at least somewhat mechanical. His command last year was much better.
Phil: 90.3 on FB in inning 1; 89.2 on FB in inning 2; 88 in inning 3.
Followed by a crappy cutter.
Something is wrong with Phil. I think he’s hiding an injury.
It was only a matter of time. Phil hasn’t looked good.
Ugh.
yeah hughes needs to just stop throwing the cutter
Phil needs to abandon that slider/cutter he adopted in spring training, it is far inferior to the one he threw a lot last year
Will Hughes ever pitch another game when he doesn’t give up at least 1 home run?
Hughes needs to shelve that cutter man.
It’s literally like batting practice now when Hughes pitches.
Get up the pen if you want to win this game Girardi. Hopefully Hughes can improve but you can’t count on it.
Bad curve ball. Followed by a horrible fastball.
This is not normal baseball. Let’s see if the yankees baseball people can understand this.
with 2 outs…
Seriously, junk the cutter. His changeup has to be a more useful pitch at this point.
“Velocity means nothing if he can’t control his pitches. That’s Phil’s biggest problem right now.”
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Easy to say – but more likely the problem is causing both issues…. whatever it is.
The cutter has very little to do with it. Almost nothing.
It’s a symptom not the cause.
The problem is how he is throwing the ball – regardless of pitch.
Unless the way he’s physically throwing the ball changes it doesn’t matter what pitch he throws.
Another horrible curve ball.
CB,
Agree 100%
Let Phil work it out without costing games.
Honestly? This is an improvement.
no-walker through three!!! Call your friends!!!
Now they need to actually make Arietta work. He’s got good stuff, but his command isn’t much better than Phil’s.
Hughes was lucky that awful rolling curveball wasn’t hit ten miles by Vlad.
Only 1 fastball at 90 that inning and it was technically 89.5
Pitching is about command, changing speeds and movement. 90mph is plenty if you can do the former. Greg Maddux never touched 92 after the first few years but he had that nasty moving two-seamer and owned the outside corner. Hughes doesn’t.
Phil needs to just say no to the cutter…until he can fix the issues with it
The cutter has very little to do with it. Almost nothing.
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All of his pitches are getting hit but the cutter seems to be the worst of all. Just my opinion based on watching the games…
Shouldn’t Rothschild be able to spot poor mechanics? CB, we always heard about how sound and repeatable Phil’s mechanics are/were, so what could have happened from last season to this? Did he just start off in ST for some reason with poor mechanics? I hope the Yankees don’t keep pushing him to go out there – he’s obviously not right; the only way to fix him is to send him down, where he can work OUT of the spotlight in games that don’t count
Leiter was showing what you guys are saying. The location is off and the ball isn’t breaking.
LET’S GO PHILL!!!!
PHREAK them BIRDS!!!
If have started Colon personally, but Girardi should have already seen enough to make the switch.
Of course, he won’t until the O’s have 4-5 runs.
Hope I’m wrong but I don’t see it. O’s have taken many bad swings or they’d be up more.
Pitching is about command, changing speeds and movement. 90mph is plenty if you can do the former. Greg Maddux never touched 92 after the first few years but he had that nasty moving two-seamer and owned the outside corner. Hughes doesn’t.
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Wow so all Hughes has to do is develop a hall of fame repertoire?
I feel bad for Phil…………Under optimum conditions, he doesn’t have good breaking pitches, but now they’re even worse.
Markakis HR was a cutter that did not cut. Got lucky with hanging curveball to Vlad. Without command the velocity doesn’t matter.
He knows the cutter stinks. He’s out there throwing it.
Why then is he using it?
Because he thinks the fastball is worse.
He using the cutter to try to guile his way through 5 innings by keeping the ball off the sweet spot.
It’s only a symptom.
Or maybe he needs to keep pitching until he gets it right. I know it’s nice to think oh, he can just go to Tampa and then come back all fixed. But he may need to pitch through this. If he’s pitching like he has in this game, he’s staying in the rotation.
cb-
the yankees are in denial saying they are not worried about hughes velocity.
i said it before the game that if he doesn’t touch 91-92 there’s a problem.
cashman can say that he just needs to pitch, and i’d agree.
i would tell him to air it out even if he can only last 3-4 innings.
that’s how he would build velocity.
if hughes simply can’t build velocity doing this they need to have him stop pitching and see what’s up.
So maybe I’m back to letting him find himself in Tampa.
While CB and BD say it has nothing to do with the cutter, it seems that when he concentrates on one pitch, the other one suffers. He threw a ton of cutters in one of the games and his fastball was straight as a string and not too fast. Tonight it seems that he’s picked up a little velocity on his fastball and it certainly has movement on it. And his cutter is off.
Why is Posada swinging at ball four? Yanks have horrific baseball IQ.
Jerk
That’s great info, thanks.
So if I understand it correctly, there are 3 cameras that are in location for every game played that is used to gather this data.
Is this a proprietary program that MLB is receiving fees for allowing the cameras? Or how does that dynamic work.
Thanks again.
Arm strength. It is building.
Phil needs to never use that cutter again. It’s his worst pitch, always 86-89 and flat, never good location.
I have NO CLUE why he is in love with it. Maybe because it worked so well for him when he was in the pen when he had more velocity behind it.
They should get Colon up or something.
No HR’s…no runs for NY.
CB, do you think Phil’s problems locating have to do with the fact that his arm is still “weak” or is he just having problems just because he’s having problems? He has to be fixed – both for the Yankees good and for his. He’s 24 years old………..something is wrong.
I don’t know about that, a company named Sportsvision developed it.
If Hughes got blown out, they should skip his next start
He’s been pitching well today up to that homerun. What is everyone talking about?
Meanwhile, the offense has been pathetic the first time through the order against Arietta. He’s faced the minimum.
Jeez…. we have to hit this stool pusher.
The Yankees need to make Arietta work a little bit harder.
At this point, the Yankees need to check to see if there is something wrong with Hughes. Do an MRI. Don’t they have one at the stadium?
Colon doesnt need a long time to warm up.
I’m waiting for Nick and jerkface to use that quote from last night. Cat got your tongues?
Phil has been in love with the cutter for a few years at the expense of his other pitches. Seriously, if he’s afraid to throw his FB, and has no faith in it, how on earth can the Yankees keep sending him out there? All it’s going to do is ruin his confidence and he may never get it back – or it may take a long time.
Yankee hitters are bailing this guy out.
Hughes throws the cutter because it moves….he doesn’t trust his fastball even though it’s still his best pitch even now.
Hughes has thrown 33 fastballs and 6 cutters. I don’t see the cutter as a “symptom” at all, it’s just a bad pitch.
wow, this yankee offense is as purtrid as hughes’ cutter.
Or maybe Martin/Girardi/Rothchild need to make him throw his fastball on the mound in real games for him to regain confidence.
Phil’s been pitching well today up to that hr. What is everyone talking about.
jeez. Cheap hit on that heater.
It doesn’t matter what Phil does or doesn’t do if the Yanks get no-hit by the likes of Arrieta.
What are the chances girardi gets hughes out of this game before its out of hand? This game feels like we’re just waiting to be down 6-0. Hope I’m wrong, but again, Hughes has nothing.
And let’s stop with the 18 game winner comments. Right now, its akin to talking about the two time all star esteban loaiza deal a few years ago.
Houston, we have a problem. A real problem.
Betsy maybe I was right to have concern.
that wasnt a bad pitch…
Trisha,
I don’t see any improvement in velocity – maybe a few pitches in the first…
and he’s leaving pitches right out over the plate.
A better offense, or an O’s team that’s hitting better, would be crushing the ball so far.
Id pull him now so the Yanks have a chance, and let him work out these problems without costing the team games.
That wasn’t a bad pitch. I wouldn’t have backed-up changeups, but he got it where Martin wanted it.
He doesn’t have ANY faith in his curve- but that’s been that way for a few years and no faith in his change. Even if he gets his “stuff” back, he’s not going to be successful that way………….but I really do feel sorry for him and I don’t think the Yankees are doing anything to help.
As I’ve been saying, he’s toting with all these different pitches.
He lives on the outside corner and has no feel for his curve.
Come on Phil. Use the Force.
What are the chances girardi gets hughes out of this game before its out of hand?
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zero
Yankees are being no hit.
yanks should have traded phlop when they could have gotten a great return. now nobody would want the guy.
CB-I’ll attach this article about how Chapman is able to achieve his velocity.
http://www.pitching.com/blog/p.....-the-ride/
“In order to maximize pitching velocity a pitcher must learn how to use his body so that his arm gets involved as late as possible so it can take advantage of the body’s momentum and the elastic energy that is stored once the pitcher lands. This stored energy by the body stretching out is what allows the trunk to whip the arm through at high speed.”
“You can also see that at landing, Chapman’s arm is positioned so that his elbow is well behind the line of his trunk thereby creating maximum distance away from the plate. This position of Chapman’s arm is called horizontal ABduction and is what helps create the “rubber band” effect of the arm once trunk rotation begins.”
“Long toss does not help a pitcher with either velocity or ball control.”
Is this why Hughes is struggling??
*toying
Trisha, what are you talking about? When did I say you weren’t ? I got crucified for suggesting that Phil be sent to Tampa to work out his problem – as if it would be a punishment. For those that want to see him do well in his career, how good is it for him to keep sending him out there like this?
O’s are really bailing Phil out so far.
Hope it stays that way.
Adam Jones misses a pitch practically tee’d up, then tries to bunt… thank you.
Hughes=DiceK?
Let us see how he finishes tonight
Beware the Showaltimore Orioles?
Is that controversial in some way?
If Phil stumbles, lets see how quickly Girardi moves. Hopefully quickly.
baltimore is toying with ny now. who actually thinks the yanks can come back and win?
3 runs is more than enough for baltimore with the crappy ny offense.
Hughes is either hurt or he’s shot. U can’t keep running him out there like this. Hurts the team
Nice catch by Curtis. That ball was hit hard.
very fortunate there….missed his spot and Reynolds just missed that
narrow escapes…
Another bad ball up.
I would definitely have Colon warming.
No-Walker still in effect.
cs in la,
If? Phil could be down 7-0 the way he’s pitching.
He just doesn’t have it. The 3-0 score is deceiving.
That was nice. <<>
You know Girardi is going to take positive things from this outing and will continue to send Phil out there like this.
ignoring phil for a second, why cant this team ever hit a young rookie?
3ER for 5 is ok
Hughes is throwing his curveball even slowwwwwwwwwwwerrrr
Hughes has to start hitting his spots or this is going to another early exit for him. It’s easy to hit a pitcher when you are only sitting on one pitch.
we can score runs in bunches. No lead is safe hear as long as we have innings.
ignoring phil for a second, why cant this team ever hit a young rookie?
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They hit young rookies, you just remember when they don’t.
Really? I’m listening on the radio – doesn’t seem too bad to me.
Yankees need to get something going against Arietta.
nice. Bloop and a blast….come on guys.
We need to get some hits to score some runs. That way we can triumph over the Orioles from Baltimore.
arrieta’s not a young rookie. he beat the yankees twice last year.
Hughes=Wang
Hey, Phil has reduced his season ERA to 12.6. Two more shutout innings and he’ll have a quality start. If the Yanks bothered to hit just a little, he wouldn’t be looking so bad.
Maybe some of you should transfer some of your Phil hate to some of the veteran batters.
Really? I’m listening on the radio – doesn’t seem too bad to me.
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The radio straight from the mouth of a man creating his own reality.
Does it say somewhere in the coaches handbook that u have to wait for the results to catch up to the execution before u can make a pitching change?
Again, Hughes stuff is fringe minor league worthy. Can’t keep running him out there like this. Didn’t work with Wang, didn’t work with Vazquez. Pointless. Scranton is two hours away, Phil can live with my parents.
Arrieta is all smoke and mirrors. Someone needs to put a hole in this clowns funhouse mirror.
“Id pull him now so the Yanks have a chance, and let him work out these problems without costing the team games”
I’m with you BD.
Betsy, I was just remarking on what I said to you that first night. Remember when I told you I never worry, but that I was worried about Phil. That’s what I was talking about.
cs in la,
Forget the score. Phil isn’t throwing better than in Boston IMO.
Maybe slight improvement but he’s going to get killed if he’s leaving 89mph pitches right in hitters wheelhouse. He can’t locate the changeup (though it’s harder to even identify the changeup and I’m probably confusing it with the cutter)
It’s disheartening. I think Phil will be fine – but that might take a week or two or three or….
Why cost the team games in the process?
phil definitely not getting that same strike.
bd-
as a hitter, you just love going up against hughes right now. you know you don’t have to worry about the fastball because he doesn’t have a good one.
you don’t have to worry about getting hit because he doesn’t come up and in.
instead of being nasty to hitters, hughes is comfortable to a hitter.
i would tell him to think reliever but starting off the game. if he can only go two airing it out so be it. bring in colon.
if airing it out hughes doesn’t increase arm strength he’s needs to be disabled to find out what’s wrong.
you have to remember this is the same organization that kept running wang out there until he finally broke.
I don’t think Hughes is getting corner pitches
I really don’t userstand girardi.
Ouch:
apparently Phil’s fastball in the first inning was averaging around 90.1mph; then it dropped to 89.3 in the second, and 88.4 in the 3rd.
There is something wrong with him – it’s not normal for a 24 year old, even coming off a year where he had a heavy workload, to have this drastic a drop in velocity. CB’s comments about how he’s throwing the ball are also very concerning.
What is Gardner looking at?
pitchers are coming right at Gardner….he’s going to have to swing the bat because they are making it a point not to walk him.
What is Gardner looking at?
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Borderline strikes.
this ump stinks and listening to MASN stinks too
Gardner has absolutely no idea when to be aaggressive and what pitches to swing at. He takes way too many called strikes and he seems to always be waiting for the perfect pitch to swing at.
Bottom line – this isn’t close to Phils best.
Is it better to hope he figures it out in games, neglecting that anything is wrong, and that he’ll just “work through it”?
Or give him a couple weeks off to train and try to diagnose the issue, knowing Colon is capable of filling in?
nice grounder Jeets….
Trish, you’re right – I remember. You’re right to be worried
. Seriously, it’s not just about this game or this season – well, it kills the Yankees if Phil isn’t going to be reliable – but these are issues effecting his career.
Arietta is the type of pitcher that the Yankees usually pound. His stuff is very average..
Why is he getting every borderline pitch?
BANG!!! TEX!!!!
All of you Phil haters are truly sickening. Jump on the bandwagon and jump right off after 3 starts. You should all get lives.
give me a break….. those were not strikes when phil was throwing them
With 2 strikes on you, you have to swing at borderline strikes.
No luck for the yankees so far.
dang!!!
Crap. Hughes is actually pitching well. But we’re gonna get no-hit.
Randy, that scares me – I don’t want this kid to be ruined. He can’t throw a FB and they are leaving him out there to get tattooed. Well, he never threw inside even when he had his velocity, so that’s not a surprise. I have a bad feeling about this, like the Yankees don’t have a clue how to deal with this.
“i would tell him to think reliever but starting off the game. if he can only go two airing it out so be it. bring in colon.”
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Randy,
I agree with that. Though I’d DL him and take this more seriously. If there truly is nothing wrong, he’ll be fine in 2 weeks.
If there IS something wrong, diagnose it and fix it now, not after an injury and/or unnecessary losses.
Arreita has a no hitter and Phil has a no-walker going.
Meanwhile the vaunted offense is 0-12.
I don’t see how sending Hughes to the minor leagues is going to do any good.
If his problems aren’t physical, the best coaching and advice (at least should be) that he’s going to get is going to be in New York.
This guy was one of the most dominant minor league pitchers around in the past decade. He won 18 games in the big leagues last year. He isn’t going to learn anything more or “build any confidence” down there. If anything, it will perpetuate the idea that he can get hitters out with a sloppy cutter and no fastball.
Keep him here and keep working with him. He’s done enough for the team to be in a position to win this game today. At long as he can do that on a reasonably consistent basis, this is the best place for him to be.
When Hughes had his great games it was because he had that swing and miss fastball. He is going to struggle most of the time if that velocity doesn’t return and most of all if he doesn’t improve his secondary pitches. He gets absolutely killed by his cutter and sloppy curveball. Without good or even decent secondary pitches he will never be anything more than a back of the rotation starter.
“All of you Phil haters are truly sickening. Jump on the bandwagon and jump right off after 3 starts. You should all get lives.”
Not sure if you watched him last year, but including the All-star game and beyond, Phil has been awful. He is living proof that the win stat for starters is a joke. Not to mention he got lit up twice by Texas and cost the yankees the pennant.
and out comes the trolls while the moderators sit and fiddle
Yankee big inning coming up.
technically 0-11 with a walk.
GO JORDAN ZIMMERMAN!!!!!
hey gardner, you see that bunt?
Every scouting report knows that Gardner saw the most pitches per plate appearance last year…..pitching coaches are probably writing in big letters on the chalk board: DO NOT WALK GARDNER. He has to be selective because that’s his game but he’s going to have make pitchers respect his ability to hit or they are just going to keep him behind in counts all year.
Why couldn’t Gardner do that?
and out comes the trolls while the moderators sit and fiddle
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You can’t really moderate negativity.
I don’t understand the logic of keeping Phil in the big leagues. This rotation is mediocre to begin with, putting another mediocre guy like colon in phils spot while he goes to scranton is actually an upgrade. What is the problem? Hughes looks awful, he’s not pitching with major league stuff, he has options. Why not just end the misery and send him down for a few weeks or until he has some stuff?
6 runs and girardi will get the memo. That’s my predicition. 6-0 and joe goes to get hughes.
Was Gardner watching that??
Having Bartolo Colon in the pen (if he pitches close to how he did in boston) is a luxury that few, if any, teams have.
Not using him in these situations completely wastes that luxury.
It would be like DHing Joe Mauer when he was healthy.
Having a luxury only works if you use it.
Robets, the steriod abuser.
BD, how can he be fine in 2 weeks? He has no arm strength whatsoever – 88 MPH FB?
Jeez…..wth?!!!!
Every scouting report knows that Gardner saw the most pitches per plate appearance last year…..pitching coaches are probably writing in big letters on the chalk board: DO NOT WALK GARDNER.
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2 of the called strikes in that last ab were borderline, one was definitely outside. he isn’t going to swing at that. He fouled off 2 pitches that AB. It wasn’t like he wasn’t swinging. He showed bunt first 2 pitches as well.
GhettoBlaster April 14th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
“All of you Phil haters are truly sickening. Jump on the bandwagon and jump right off after 3 starts. You should all get lives.”
Not sure if you watched him last year, but including the All-star game and beyond, Phil has been awful. He is living proof that the win stat for starters is a joke. Not to mention he got lit up twice by Texas and cost the yankees the pennant.
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he wasn’t awful
That was a stupid throw…Very rarely does a guy actually get picked off 1st base.
did the Yankees spike their water? What the heck???
very surprised roberts didnt unload on that hanging change up.
Randy,
I don’t think this is a situation where you just have Hughes air it out at max effort.
I don’t even think his arm is at a place where he can do that safely
He needs to be shut down and built up in a controlled fashion regardless of how long it takes.
On the whole I understand your point on the intention to throw hard. But I dont think it’s primarily applicable here.
I think his is break it down and build it up slowly and in a controlled fashion.
He should have been on the dl and on a throwing program down in EST last week.
That’s what they should do tomorrow but I don’t think girardi will do that as there is no recipe in the book for how to handle this
Betsy,
well, I’m saying if the Yankees truly believe this is an issue that he just needs to work through (and pitch to gain strength)…
then he should be fine in 2 weeks pitching on the side in simulated games or whatever.
why take the risk that its more serious and cost the yanks games in the process?
that’s all.
“2 of the called strikes in that last ab were borderline, one was definitely outside. he isn’t going to swing at that. ”
he better learn to with 2 strikes and a guy on the mound locating well…..strike 3 looking because it was borderline isn’t a moral victory.
yankee offense cost the yankees the series with tex, not hughes….
and there ya go, colon is up.
Phil is getting a lot of pop ups and not getting called corner strikes
uhhh…. wow swish.
Nice play by Swish
Nice play
Another narrrow escape. Nice catch Swish.
139 games against the Yankees for Brian Roberts. Most by any Oriole on this team.
Nice catch by Swisher
gotta get a K here….
Great catch by Swish. That is the 2nd almost homerun..Hughes isn’t getting inside enough on these guys.
best catch Swish might make this season…
and they need it to keep this game within reach.
Great play by Swish…I thought that was gone. Would have been on a lot of days.
Phil getting tagged. Take him out.
nevermind that K
Should have had him at 2nd
Why is Hughes still in the game?
Gotta get somebody up, Joe. Phil’s given you everything he can tonight.
jeez….Yanks are sleeping….
“Great hitting and better base running” – Palmer
Please get Hughes out now, unless we’re just going to concede this game.
WHAT GAME IS GIRARDI WATCHING?
HE’S PUNTED THREE GAMES BECAUSE HE CAN’T COMPREHEND THAT THIS GUY IS OUT THERE WITH NOTHING. ITS NOT FAIR TO HIM.
JESUS CHRIST.
Terrible pitch by Hughes. He tried to go inside once again and missed. Girardi should bring in Colon.
Now take him out.
Get Colon in there. Arrieta is throwing the ball well….can’t let them get any more .
Chris W,
Colon is up.
but the problem is he should have been up before the 1st.
It’s over….. Phil is done.
He’s pitching well. There was a bunt and a bad throw by russell to first.
there you go, short leash on phil now….
he should go into the pen and throw 30 more fastballs…
Did Kay just say the leash on Hughes was short? Is he watching the same game we are?
Roy Halladay Hughes please.
Well, you guys get what you wanted. Let me say I’m unconvinced that Colon is going to be all that much better.
THANK YOU JOE GIRARDI!
Maybe this is the last we see of Phil until he fixes his problems.
OK, I admit at 1st I thought people were over reacting to Phil’s troubles.
But I admit I was wrong. There are definite problems and I don’t think that the Yankees starting rotation is the place to work them out.
That sucks for Hughes. 2 of the 4 runs were cheap runs
they need to do something…. he touched 92 a couple times but that didnt last.
He’s pitching well. There was a bunt and a bad throw by russell to first.
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He isn’t really pitching well. And his stuff got progressively worse as the game went on. He has a really low ‘starting point’ and so as the general fatigue of a game comes on it just becomes worse and worse.
GIRARDI PULLED PHIL WITH A NO-WALKER GOING??!!!!
IS HE NUTS!!!!
No doubt Colon has looked much better than Hughes does now. That is true regardless of how he happens to pitch today.
Not a good outing. Poor command, it must be mechanical and you would think a pitching coach would help him figure that out eventually.
Wouldn’t it be ironic, if at some point this year Hughes ends up back in the bullpen, and Joba becomes the starter!
trisha – true pinstriped blue April 14th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Please get Hughes out now, unless we’re just going to concede this game.
Girardi heard you.
I would be surprised if the Yanks don’t put Hughes on the dl after this start. Obviously asking him to pitch through his issues isn’t working. He missed his spots like 1 million times in this game and his starts are an automatic loss right now.
igotid88,
i take it you’re not watching the game?
this game could easily be 8-0.
I feel really bad for Phil. I’m sure he was praying he’d snap out of it and stop hurting the team. Of course, it’s more Girardi’s fault than anyone else, IMO.
They should have taken this issue more seriously.
I have faith in phil.
His stuff looked marginally better in the first inning but he wasn’t able to sustain it. They have to act on this now…..get him out of the rotation until improvement is seen.
Are we all seeing the same game? I don’t think Hughes was that awful.
“Well, you guys get what you wanted. Let me say I’m unconvinced that Colon is going to be all that much better”
Chris W – if Colon give up three runs, he is that much better. It’s not working. Joe Girardi showed what a good manager is all about. It could be too late already but as long as he’s not on the mound his next turn, Girardi has done his job IMO
Lets keep on with the hughes experiment…no worries about giving games away. He should be in the minor leagues, not having to pitch on a team w/ a 200 million dollar payroll. Is this the best they can throw out there?
Embarrassing!
# Yankee Trader April 14th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Wouldn’t it be ironic, if at some point this year Hughes ends up back in the bullpen, and Joba becomes the starter!
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maybe both in the pen….
He was good for 2. Better than last week. =Strength.
King KORG on the hill.
The jelly donut butcher.
He looked better to me early but the stuff diminished as the game went….I don’t know what to make of that. He just doesn’t look right and they can’t continue to throw him out there like this….it’s helping nobody.
“I have faith in phil.”
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I think most of us do.
This isn’t Phil Hughes… and something is wrong. I hope the Yankees take it a little more seriously and DL him.
1 hit at least please! This lineup needs chavez ‘s bat in there . Same stuff as last year with young pitchers our veterans haven’t seen that much.
all for giving his next start to noesi…
he should be throwing more and not sitting there.
F the O’s
Enjoy Scranton, Phil.
Man Colon is fat
Understatement of the year
Interesting that when Burnett pitches better Rosthschild is given credit — but when Hughes is pitching poorly he doesn’t seem to get any blame.
Hughes is going to really damage his arm if the Yanks continue to let him pitch every 5th day. They have to send him for an mri and find out what his problem is otherwise they are going to kill his arm.
Colon probably should have come in to face Markakis
K for the Twinkie Slayer!
BD (Boston Dave) April 14th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
igotid88,
i take it you’re not watching the game?
this game could easily be 8-0.
I feel really bad for Phil. I’m sure he was praying he’d snap out of it and stop hurting the team. Of course, it’s more Girardi’s fault than anyone else, IMO.
They should have taken this issue more seriously.
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The same could be said for the O’s pitcher. It’s a matter of luck. His pitch count was low. Some of the hits were hard. But he had a few pop ups. Some good swings and misses.
Colon vs Noesi?
Seems like Girardi wanted to use Colon to stay on rotation..
I guarantee that Girardi and Rothchild know Phil’s mechanics and pitching routine a whole lot better than the rest of you arm-chair QBs.
six start combo and not a W between CC or PH
“all for giving his next start to noesi…”
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Colon would get the start.
And noesi would take his spot as long man.
It’s a luxury that most teams don’t have and would allow the Yankees to take a closer look at Phil without costing games.
Jeter didn’t even move on that ball until it was by him, holy crap.
this game is being played by …..I have no idea. No one is hustling or trying.
What the hell?
HOW ABOUT A DIVE A-ROD?
A 46 hopper gets through because nobody dives to keep it in the infield and save the run. Unbelievable.
Damn weak seeing eye ground ball.
Do the Yankees have some kind of issues when it comes to developing young pitchers? It really doesn’t give me a good feeling when Banuelos and Betances come up.
igotid88,
i hope for your sake that you just didnt watch the game.
the only luck was on Phil’s side that he didn’t give up 3 HR and more hits.
That was stupid pitching. With 1st base open they shopuld of pitched around Vlad or pitched him inside. I don’t know why they don’t try to tie him up inside.
# ac1 April 14th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
all for giving his next start to noesi…
he should be throwing more and not sitting there.
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Not a bad thought !
Alex is thinking that they wouldn’t have gotten him and they wouldn’t have….
A-Rod kind of did a Manny on that one.
YANK WILL BE NO HIT TODAY>
write that down.
time to send phil down for a while.
also, i’m wondering if the yankees plan on getting -a- hit tonight, let alone more than one.
Jerkface April 14th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
He’s pitching well. There was a bunt and a bad throw by russell to first.
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He isn’t really pitching well. And his stuff got progressively worse as the game went on. He has a really low ‘starting point’ and so as the general fatigue of a game comes on it just becomes worse and worse.
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He’s pitched better than his 2 previous starts. Not saying he was great. But people here were on him the first 2 innings.
Another disappointing out for Hughes. Since the ASB las year he’s just been giving up HR’s at an alarming rate and now arm strength issues. He was IMO the most exciting up coming player on the Yankees. The brass really babied him and now you look at it and say “was it worth it?”
Triple Short – their success with minor league pitchers has been predicated on hyping them like crazy to trade them. The hype machine still works, but they don’t trade them anymore.
Get the bats going ….game isn’t over
Hey, those left side infielders are paid WAY too much to dive. Plus, then the guys who clean the uniforms have to do more work.
Hand of Satan–
Could you possibly change your account name? You’re a very funny guy, but I’m afraid to laugh and you know, give the devil his due.
He’s pitched better than his 2 previous starts. Not saying he was great. But people here were on him the first 2 innings.
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He threw his fastball more, but it wasn’t good pitching.
They CANNOT run Hughes out there any more. It’s all but an automatic loss if they do.
about had it with Gardner too
Did Hughes’ ERA go down with this outing?
“I don’t think this is a situation where you just have Hughes air it out at max effort.
I don’t even think his arm is at a place where he can do that safely
He needs to be shut down and built up in a controlled fashion regardless of how long it takes.”
cb-
i don’t disagree at all.
i keep saying if h’s heathy and in shape he should air it out.
he’s clearly not in shape so sending back to tampa makes sense to me.
there is clearly something seriously wrong with hughes.
you just don’t take the chance on something blowing out when you see this kind of velocity loss.
though that’s exactly what they did with wang.
Alex is just locked in, end of discussion.
That’s my boy!
impressive hitting by Alex – shocker
just keeps on rolling
Those pitches were hard for A-Rod to handle last year.
And just like that Sterling answered…what service!
Alex is really good. He wasn’t hitting that pitch last year. He’s going to battle Cabrera for the MVP this year.
This is *not* over.
It’s about time we lit up this hack.
Yanks offense needs to pick up Hughes and win this game!
CB, I think he has to be broken down as well…………..they did it for Doc, they can do it for Phil. Many people have mentioned that Phil’s delivery is not the same as it was in the minors, not aggressive enough. He’s got that odd short-armed-delivery that maybe is taking it’s toll. Whatever it is – it’s multiple things. He’s worth the time and effort it may take – if the Yankees are committed to him, they will start over. They need to think about Phil long-term, not just what they need now.
Nice piece Robbie.
That ball should have been caught. Glad it wasn’t.
BD (Boston Dave) April 14th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
igotid88,
i hope for your sake that you just didnt watch the game.
the only luck was on Phil’s side that he didn’t give up 3 HR and more hits.
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he got pop ups. not every ball was hit hard. he didn’t get the corners. he probably shouldn’t have thrown the cutter. like i said he wasn’t great. but they were able to tack on 2 runs on small ball off of him. He wasn’t throwing many pitches. If Russell doesn’t throw that ball away I believe he would get out of that inning without giving up a run.
no way Sam Fuld let’s that one drop in
glad it’s Luke Scott out there!
What is going on with Swisher?
Terrible at bat by Swish
Somebody tell Swisher that he was supposed to move Robbie over to 3B.
igotid88,
we can agree to disagree then.
IMO, Phil was lucky to only give up 5 runs. He did not look good and certainly didn’t show enough improvement that he should be given his next start.
Somebody tell Swisher that he was supposed to move Robbie over to 3B.
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He was supposed to get a hit.
Need that run on second.
Does posada have a hit this yr besides a HR??
Swisher not doing much this season. And there’s a miserable Posada at bat. The Yankees remain homer happy……very difficult to manufacture runs.
This offense is basically Arod,Cano and Martin
“Does posada have a hit this yr besides a HR??”
I think he has a single and a double.
Posada keeps swinging at high fastballs that he can’t do anything with. He and Swish have to be more patient.
Jorge’s not squaring up enough fastballs. It’s one thing if he swings and misses at a curveball or changeup, but he has had some very hittable fastballs lately and is grounding out.
it’ll come, hopefully.
but they could use another run here. let’s go granderson.
I’d rather just see what Noesi can do for the rest of this game. I hope Phil can get straightened out, but I don’t want to see him start for the Yankees again until he does, I’m just plain tired of hoping he’s got his s**t together.
I’m afraid the Yankees are going to ruin Phil………….and the thing is, it’s fine for them, they’ll move on, but it’s HIS career. I don’t know that I trust them – I don’t trust Joe. Cash needs to step in – and even Rothschild. He’s been around pitchers for a long time – how can he possibly think that this isn’t worrisome?
He’ll pitch a 1 hit shutout his next start
The Yankees are insane if they send Phil out there for his next start.
Betsy April 14th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
CB, I think he has to be broken down as well…………..they did it for Doc, they can do it for Phil. Many people have mentioned that Phil’s delivery is not the same as it was in the minors, not aggressive enough. He’s got that odd short-armed-delivery that maybe is taking it’s toll. Whatever it is – it’s multiple things. He’s worth the time and effort it may take – if the Yankees are committed to him, they will start over. They need to think about Phil long-term, not just what they need now.
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That’s a bizarrely extreme suggestion.
Arrieta does look pretty good tonight.
He’s been going right after the hitters that are struggling and it’s paying off. He seems to be more careful with Tex and ARod, though Alex is hitting everything right now.
One run
2 man lineup
The 6-7-8 hitters are almost automatic outs in this lineup.
i do not like that roberts fella
This was predictable and I said so on previous thread. “Sadly.”
I’m sure Hughes is losing confidence as AJ gains some. Like in the old days, go to bullpen and work out of there for a while. Mop-up, whatever.
And of course we always ( nearly ) fail against some younster we haven’t faced.
Granderson – .152
Gardner – .162
So when does “it’s early” officially change to “it’s not early anymore?”
oh well, we have a Dice-K
It is LUDICROUS for anyone here to suggest that any of us who wanted Hughes out of the game are Hughes haters. Who loves Phil on this forum more than Betsy?
We love the Yankees, and we love Phil – in that order. The experiment is not working. It’s not rocket science. Do you remember the flippin’ David Cone experiment? When Torre kept handing him the ball every 5th day after his no hitter and how he did nothing but buried the Yankees game after game after game! If it wasn’t for Steinbrenner intervening, he would have gotten the ball all season!
When you are talking playoffs, one damned game can make a difference! We’re in the toughest division in the majors. You don’t screw around with a pitcher who is obviously in trouble, just to show your love for him. You do nobody any favors by trotting Phil out any more. He needs to work with Billy Connors to get himself straight. You undermind his confidence by trotting him out to fail. And he feels he’s hurting the team so it makes it that much worse.
Once u lose velocity it doesn’t come back. Hughes may be shot. It is y u don’t baby pitchers. They r going to get hurt anyway. May as well get their beat for a few years
wow…Grandy got robbed but he really probably should have K’d anyway.
So when does “it’s early” officially change to “it’s not early anymore?”
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June 1
Cliff Lee..stat line tonight
inn pc h er bb K
Lee 7.0 72 2 0 0 10
Betsy,
Cash is clueless when it comes to pitching. He helped to break Wang and now he is doing the same to Phil. I feel really bad for Betances and Banuelos
Are you guys serious with respect to Posada? He runs into a few home runs occassionally, but other than that he’s very pedestrian. frankly, other than martin, the bottom of this lineup is pretty awful.
BD (Boston Dave) April 14th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
igotid88,
we can agree to disagree then.
IMO, Phil was lucky to only give up 5 runs. He did not look good and certainly didn’t show enough improvement that he should be given his next start.
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are you talking about velocity or movement or both? I don’t think he went 0-60. But he was better.
LOL Ok Radio Kev.
# West Coast Yankee Fan April 14th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Granderson – .152
Gardner – .162
So when does “it’s early” officially change to “it’s not early anymore?”
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Gardner = overrated by a lot of peeps here
i do not like that roberts fella
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Brian or Dave? I don’t like either one.
“And of course we always ( nearly ) fail against some younster we haven’t faced.”
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Yankees faces Arrieta last year.
He’s pitching pretty well tonight, though the slump that some in the lineup are having right now doesn’t help.
Yanks are being somewhat patient and Arrieta is going right at them getting ahead in the count.
I’d like to see a little more aggressiveness from some of the hitters. Sit first pitch fastball and let it rip if it is.
The bottom of the lineup has been brutal. They are contributing absolutely nothing so far.
“Yankees faces Arrieta last year.”
faced*
Colon like a cat out there.
The top of the order is just brutal. Can’t score many runs when leadoff n #2 hitters can’t get on
Triple Short of a Cycle April 14th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Betsy,
Cash is clueless when it comes to pitching. He helped to break Wang and now he is doing the same to Phil. I feel really bad for Betances and Banuelos
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I know, Cashman should have ran the bases for Wang.
“I guarantee that Girardi and Rothchild know Phil’s mechanics and pitching routine a whole lot better than the rest of you arm-chair QBs.”
There is a reason why Girardi is a WS winning manager and all the I know it all kids and whiners are just bloggers…….
Colon has been phenomenal in the early going for the Yanks.
It makes giving Phil some time off much easier.
Colon looks like he can not only take Phil’s place for a few weeks, but win games.
Wow, look at the match-ups for Texas. The Texas ERAs are miniscule. The only low Yankee ERA is CC and he does’t have any wins yet.
Triple, I have never ever been one to blame the Yankees for not handling pitchers properly, but this is as good of a case of incompetence as I’ve seen. I get that Phil has issues that may prevent him from being a frontline starter, but hey, so be it. Right now this is about his career – I don’t want to see his confidence just destroyed. There is something wrong when a 24 year old drops 5 MPH on his FB and is struggling to throw 88. I mean, he starts off “eh” and gets worse from there. They can’t figure it out? This isn’t just an indictment of Cashman – it’s on Joe and yes, it’s on Rothschild as well.
Joeman – this is the same board where greg golson was being called “a great 4th outfielder”….would u expect anything else than gardner being absurdly overrated here?
Nice job by Colon
I never understood the love affair that Cash and Girardi have with Gardner. Yeah he is fast but he doesn’t hit enough to use it, can’t bunt and it takes him a century and a half to steal a base.
Laura – I Bleed Blue April 14th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
The Yankees are insane if they send Phil out there for his next start.
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I would
Who in hell is complaining about Colon?
KUDOS TO BRIAN CASHMAN. You think Theo had the brain to go out and get a bunch of major league pitchers in case his rotation turned sour? Not a chance.
Hughes cannot start the next time out. They got no chance with him on hill. He needs to find himself in Scranton.
I was out, but I guess Phil got booed loudly – it’s a shame.
“I would”
Why?
Colon has pitched too well to keep in the bullpen. It should make the decision to DL Hughes very easy.
# Carlo April 14th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
Joeman – this is the same board where greg golson was being called “a great 4th outfielder”….would u expect anything else than gardner being absurdly overrated here?
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and also people here saying he was better than Ellsbury… I’d take Ellsbury any day
Wang has a bum shoulder. Don’t blame the base running.
“There is a reason why Girardi is a WS winning manager and all the I know it all kids and whiners are just bloggers…….”
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that is true, but if you are suggesting that Girardi is right 100% of the time, you’re wrong.
why can’t people agree with Joe most of the time, and disagree with him when it seems quite obvious that he’s wrong?
it’s one thing if people criticize him in hindsight all the time.
it’s another when people are clamoring for something that seems so obvious, except to Girardi, and then we suffer through the inevitable until Girardi finally figures it out.
I like Girardi – but he has his flaws.
here’s someone who had a worse day than phil hughes.
kevin na gets a 16 on one hole today in a pga event.
http://www.golfdigest.com/golf.....ninth.html
Girardi is also the only one here with the access to become a WS winning manager. It doesn’t mean people here could not do it, but the reality is that there are only 30 jobs.
Ellsbury n Gardner or similiar. Both can’t hit a lick.
Time to “manufacture” some runs.
Betsy,
Rothschild just got here so I would give him a pass so far. I am still waiting for the Yankees to develop one young pitcher. Joba was babied to death and got jerked around left and right. Phil is a mess right now. The Wang rehab was botched. Kennedy was a disaster. I mean does Cash get no blame for any of this?
A lot of bloggers could kick ass in a front office position, but there are incredible barriers to entry for working in any sports league.
# BD (Boston Dave) April 14th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
“Yankees faces Arrieta last year.”
faced*
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Figured someone would correct me. I remember him, but wasn’t at all sure that he faced Yanks. thanks.
Martin would look really good batting 2nd. But Girardi might not want to mess with him by moving him up. He has been awesome so far and I would rather he get an extra at bat instead of Gardner.
I hope Jose Reyes enjoys living in NY. I would like to see him stay local when he signs his next contract next season.
Well I stand corrected. Phil Hughes is clearly the man.
What a stud!
# Ace April 14th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Ellsbury n Gardner or similiar. Both can’t hit a lick.
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I might take Ellsbury at this point.
trisha – true pinstriped blue April 14th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
“I would”
Why?
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cause I believe he will get better. unless there really is something wrong physically with him. people here say he was lucky he didn’t give up 8 runs. I look at it as a couple of plays of him still being in there down 3-1.
randy,
Wow. Poor guy. What do they call that? The most I ever heard was a triple bogey.
Jerkface April 14th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Girardi is also the only one here with the access to become a WS winning manager. It doesn’t mean people here could not do it, but the reality is that there are only 30 jobs.
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Lame comment. Yeah, I’m not an astronaut, but I could do that.
If you can’t play baseball on a professional level, then no, you probably can’t be a manager. It does mean you can’t do it.
Wow…amazing how short sighted many here are. The season is 12 games long…we haven’t even hit the tenth of a season yet. Things will be fine…especially as the weather warms up.
4NYY,
for what it’s worth, Arrieta pitched very well against them last time too.
I think they’ll get to him for a couple more runs eventually, and Colon might actually keep them in the game with a chance to win.
Triple, if I get into the blame game, I will spread the blame around – it’s not just one one man. I don’t think Phil’s problems are permanent, but I don’t think he’s in the best organization to try and fix him either.
**162 games long***
Lame comment. Yeah, I’m not an astronaut, but I could do that.
If you can’t play baseball on a professional level, then no, you probably can’t be a manager. It does mean you can’t do it.
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Being an astronaut requires a lot of skills which not many people possess. Being a manager requires less unique skills. The barrier to entry being that you probably have to have played baseball professionally at some point means no one here is going to be a manager any time soon, doesn’t mean they couldn’t do it.
Agree with above comments about Gardner. I have said all along, I hope he does well but want to see consistency over the course of a year. I said the same thing about Granderson.
Carlo April 14th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
I hope Jose Reyes enjoys living in NY. I would like to see him stay local when he signs his next contract next season.
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Unfortunately, Brian Cashman has already tied up $56 million in that position for at least two more years beyond this one.
What an amazing offseason… Jeter, Feliciano, stomped his feet in protest over Soriano…
The man is a genius! Executive of the year!
“Wow…amazing how short sighted many here are.”
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short sighted?
short sighted would be letting Phil work through his problems and cost the Yanks games and potentially risk injury or further issues.
I think most of us would rather tackle the issue now, so that Phil is a great pitcher for the long run.
“Wow. Poor guy. What do they call that? ”
i think a 16 on one hole where you need survival skills to make it out of the woods is called a “gb7″.
Gardner stinks….
here we go Tex.
get on for Alex.
Arrieta has pitched noticeably different and more careful to Tex and Alex.
I think Tex can draw a walk here.
der tex, just walk to get alex up.
Being an astronaut requires a lot of skills which not many people possess. Being a manager requires less unique skills. The barrier to entry being that you probably have to have played baseball professionally at some point means no one here is going to be a manager any time soon, doesn’t mean they couldn’t do it.
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No, you probably couldn’t walk in and manage a team right now with the likes of Derek Jeter or A-Rod without having played professional baseball. The barrier is the skill. Being a manager isn’t just pressing the “drop” “bench” and “submit” buttons on the fantasy baseball window. There’s no point in disrespecting these folks work here by being reductionary in an unrealistic way.
BD, that’s right………and his issues can’t be worked on here.
Derek Grounder Jeter.. I’ll take it but this guy just chops at every ball.. and he got lucky there swinging at the first pitch.
Randy – classic line. The gb7 ref. Amazing
there ya go, opposite field wide open.
Go Tex.
i think a 16 on one hole where you need survival skills to make it out of the woods is called a “gb7″
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randy,
Oh. So that’s how he got his name
Fran’s fantasy guys are getting the job done!
It’s nice to see Tex going opposite field against the shift.
first pitch to A-Rod is hittable
That’s what I’m talking about.
Colon coming in to hold it down – Yanks offense coming alive and getting a little luck too.
Need to get it all here. Don’t want the baton passed to swisher. Guy is a total mush with risp.
I think that might have been accidental, but I’ll take it.
No, you probably couldn’t walk in and manage a team right now with the likes of Derek Jeter or A-Rod without having played professional baseball. The barrier is the skill. Being a manager isn’t just pressing the “drop” “bench” and “submit” buttons on the fantasy baseball window. There’s no point in disrespecting these folks work here by being reductionary in an unrealistic way.
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You put me in a life like girardi robot suit and I will manage the game decisions as well as a lot of major league managers.
Those are the hits I like seeing with Tex, that he fights off a pitch into a double.. much better sign.. If he finished this month with .270 I’ll be happy.
this is when it has to happen…. 2 on and alex and cano up…
BD (Boston Dave) April 14th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
short sighted?
short sighted would be letting Phil work through his problems and cost the Yanks games and potentially risk injury or further issues.
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No–short sighted would be tossing Phil aside without thinking about how he is needed this year, and consequently, giving him the opportunity to build arm strength and right himself.
BTW–this game isn’t over yet with the Yankee offense and bullpen. Girardi can let Hughes work out his problems and gamble on coming back with this team.
Bojo,
tossing Phil aside?
I’m not sure what you mean by that. I haven’t heard anyone suggest doing that.
ok…. got the run.
not bad at all
Why is Jeter looking? Just run straight home. I hate when they look at the ball.
Alex just missed that, but at least got an RBI there
“that is true, but if you are suggesting that Girardi is right 100% of the time, you’re wrong.”
No, I am not suggesting that Girardi is right 100% of the time, far from it.
But the whining and ignorant comments here are unbelievable.
For example, the other day one of the very frequesnt posters here was critical of the fact that Garcia was not getting enough work (which is OK comment) and suggested he be sent to AAA for work, which is ignorant as he can not be sent without going through waivers.
Now coming to Hughes, I am as frsutrated as any one. But it is only three starts and they were evaluating if he would gain the speed by mid-April like he did last year. So, I am willing to give Cash and Girardi the benefit of doubt.
Bojo, please tell us who is tossing Phil aside ? Everyone of us likes Phil – you don’t think it pains us to see what’s happened to him? Practically speaking, you can’t leave him in to kill the team. Beyond that, if you want him to be a good pitcher again -and possibly better – then the kid has to be fixed. Forget needing him this year- he’s useless as is and it’s vital to think about his career; he’s only going to get one crack at it.
I think Cano can tie it up here.
Bal would be foolish to pitch to Cano
Why is wanting Phil sent to the minors considered abandoning him? We all want what’s best for him.
BBFan,
fair enough.
we disagree on Hughes, but there’s no doubt that this blog can overreact and change with the winds of every AB.
he is going to pitch around cano to face swish.
I want to see some pie tonight!
Can’t let the Hughes situation linger any longer. Pull him from his next scheduled start in Toronto and consider either Colon or Noesi.
well he would have if he took that pitch.
Bets–I think saying he is useless is tossing him aside.
Mark down one missed prediction there. Cano grounded out.
Bojo – why does phil have to sort out his issues at the major league level? He lost velocity and his control is sub par and his secondary pitches are mediocre (and that’s being generous). It has nothing to do with the hitters he is facing. His problems can be sorted out in the minors just as well as the can with the yanks. No reason to be at this level doing this right now.
“Bets–I think saying he is useless is tossing him aside.”
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who said that?
I’m guessing if anyone did it was a ‘troll’
Bojo, did you read my whole post? I said he’s useless as he is now – and he is.
Trisha–
Did you have to mention Cone? Painful memory to me–more than to most!
Yankee Trader – u may have to go to a gentlemans club.
BD, I said it . I said that Phil was useless as is – which he is. He’s not helping the team and it’s unfair to put him in this situation. He needs to be fixed.
“Forget needing him this year”
A bit of an over reaction on April 14th don’t you think?
perhaps just as big of a factor is how well Colon is pitching.
that cannot be lost.
despite the need to do it – the Yanks can actually AFFORD to DL Phil and address the issues he’s having.
Colon is showing that he can win games for the Yanks. Gotta take advantage of that.
Betsy,
that’s different than simply saying he is useless.
C Lee..12 K’s in 7 innings..
Also, Bojo, I don’t think it’s fair for you to take a comment I made out of context. If you read any of my posts, you know how badly I feel for Phil and how much I want him get “better”.
Bets–
He has to build up arm strength and work with a good coach…he can get his work up here and the Yankees offense can still bail him out.
I trust Larry more than any coach in Tampa to build him back up.
Colon’s 2 seamer is simply nasty right now.
they need more from gardner, swish, posada and granderson…. cant have alex, cano and martin with all the production..
BD, voila, but Bojo twisted my comments (sorry Bojo, but you did).
wonder what a Brett Myers would cost them
Bets-
I’m not picking on you when I said people were giving up on him…but since you asked and used that phrase, I used it to reply. I know you love the team and Phil.
Kay just asked Leiter the question of replacing Hughes with Colon and send Hughes to the bullpen.
Leiter said not the bullpen. Said consider sending him down to work out his issues.
“cause I believe he will get better. unless there really is something wrong physically with him. people here say he was lucky he didn’t give up 8 runs. I look at it as a couple of plays of him still being in there down 3-1″
Wouldn’t you rather let him get better without it hurting the Yankees? Three games in a row. And you can’t keep putting the offense behind the 8-ball, or the bullpen for that matter.
I don’t care that Phil won 18 games last year. That was last year. I don’t want to hear that anymore. I totally believe in Hughes and believe he has the stuff to be great. But I don’t need him to discover the answer on the mound. Let him do it elsewhere and let him come back when he’s ready. His confidence has to be in the cellar. I bet he wouldn’t mind going elsewhere for a while.
Last year at this time, Hughes was throwing 92 mph.
Bojo, but you said I said he was useless and that’s not what I said. I also don’t think it’s true that people are giving up on him……..We obviously just disagree on the best way to fix the kid.
Fran,
Leiter knows his stuff. And not just because I agree with him
I really like him as an analyst. One of the best.
But my point is “who do I want working with Hughes to get him better?” And my answer is “Larry Rothschild–supposedly one of the best PCs in the game.”
Leiter said he’d consider sending Hughes down.
Absolutely not the pen. I don’t know why everyone thinks the pen is like church, where you go to get saved.
could be worse. could be aroldis chapman, who went from 105 to 92.
Curtis covers a lot of ground out there.
Grandy’s doing it 99% of the time playing in as opposed to deep.
AC – temper ur expectations for posada and you won’t be disappointed. I’ll be surprised if he’s still the DH come july.
But my point is “who do I want working with Hughes to get him better?” And my answer is “Larry Rothschild–supposedly one of the best PCs in the game.”
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DLing Hughes wouldn’t preclude Rothschild from working with him.
agree the pen is not the place. send him to scranton and let him build strength..
Bets–I apologize for being so lazy as to use your phrase in response. It was convenient as I have a cat crawling all over my keyboard. Sorry/.
They have to start hitting their spots against Markakis
Leiter said it was too early in his opinion to send him down – maybe later if this continued.
“:Leiter said he’d consider sending Hughes down.”
I’m with Leiter.
Leiter said he’d consider sending him down, *if he’s still pitching like this after April*.
Colon has been so good in this role, i feel like they would be hesitant to put him in the rotation, and maybe start Noesi instead.
I agree with Leiter. Let Phil work on his issues out of the spotlight, in games that don’t count. He’s going to get pounded by major league hitters and he’s going to get booed off his home field – do we really want to put him through that? Let him go to Tampa, do whatever it takes, however long it takes him, to get “healthy” and at the same time work on his curve and his change. Do the Yanks want a healthy and successful Phil Hughes on this team long-term? If so, they have to start now.
“Leiter said he’d consider sending him down, *if he’s still pitching like this after April*.”
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hmm, missed that part.
I disagree with him – though he’s still a great analyst.
Colon giving yanks a chance.
Bartolo looking very very good.
Bojo, no problem!
How long does Leiter want to wait? On 1050 ESPN today, the hosts mentioned like 8 or 9 starts – that’s too long.
Joeman – myers would cost way too much. Our prospects are so unreal that its actually a curse because none of them are worth trading.
BD,
Leiter does know his stuff and because he was a pitcher who has been there, I put a lot of trust in what he says, as opposed to some know-nothing announcer.
Funny how some can hear someone say something clearly on television and get it so wrong.
“Colon has been so good in this role, i feel like they would be hesitant to put him in the rotation”
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Colon was so good starting in ST. Considering he’s started his entire career, I don’t think there’s much risk in moving him from the pen after 7 innings (albeit 7 excellent innings)
This inning would be a perfect time for the bottom of the lineup to wake up
After April? No, that’s too long………..this isn’t about potentially hurting Phil’s feelings. It’s about doing what’s right for Phil and for the team. Great job Colon – really happy for him.
this is the type of game that may really pay dividends if they yankees come back and win.
there are just games that you have to grind out and come back and win. they didn’t get a solid start from hughes. but a great time wins a few of these games.
Colon stabilizing. Now time for the bottom of the order to get in gear.
prospect hype or not, i dont trade banuelos for anyone not named Felix or Josh Johnson.
“Funny how some can hear someone say something clearly on television and get it so wrong.”
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like what?
I don’t know, Phil is lucky he didn’t give up more runs tonight. Lots of bad pitches that the O’s hitters just missed, two or more that were nearly out… but he did look slightly better than last time, but still not going to be successful pitching like he did tonight.
I’d stick Hughes in a room with some popcorn and a diet Dr. Pepper and make him watch Roy Halladay tapes 24/7 for a week. I’m kidding. Well, half-kidding.
Myers isnt a target he signed an extension with Houston last august.
I missed the after April part. I apologize, but my phone rang.
Swisher OBP: .295
You do understand you don’t get a vote in how Phil is handled, don’t you?
ump sure that wasnt a strike up and in?
Leiter said after the end of the month, after 5 or 6 starts. I guess that would be fair.
That Leiter said he would send Hughes down — when he said he would consider it but not now; that it was too early to do that. Big difference I think. It’s just Leiter’s opinion but I think he knows pitching.
Fran, no need to apologize…. a few of us also missed it. Don’t mind the gnats of the blog.
gotta use these chances to put the red sox down as far as possible…
The fact that Leiter put sending him down on the table at all is the focus.
AC – I would trade him for a lesser established name. Not a brett myers, but possibly a john danks. Let’s face it, the organization is abysmal at developing pitchers. They baby them to the point where they become ineffectibe or injury prone. We won’t see banuelos as a full time starter until about 2013 at the earliest. So much can go wrong between now and then.
Leiter isn’t saying, Hughes will work it out in time. He is saying, Hughes has to work it out soon or its obviously a bigger issue and he should be sent down.
Carlo i agree about everyone except Banuelos. I think he can be in the starting 5 in 2012.
“Not a brett myers, but possibly a john danks. ”
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why would Chicago trade Danks?
they are a contending team (at least they have to believe they will be) and he is a big part of that, IMO.
Agree Fran – no problem.
Why are people talking about DL’ing Hughes? He can be sent down. What is the problem with this for some? He can go pitch in scranton and work out his issues. Its not the end of the world.
Kay asked him, Leiter didn’t mention it.
Thanks BD
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Lead-off walk. Now a Jorge HR would be nice
Nice at bat from Swish now Posada has to do something good
“You put me in a life like girardi robot suit and I will manage the game decisions as well as a lot of major league managers.”
jerkface-
you could also walk across an 8 foot 2×4 if it was one foot off the ground, but if you tried to walk across that same 2×4 when it was up 50 stories, you would choke like a dog. you wouldn’t be able to do it
managing in a real game would be 50 stories up.
you would have an emotional breakdown.
no way would you be able to do it.
Jorge is just missing on fastballs we’re accustomed to seeing him drive.
He’s gotta snap out of it!
I don’t want Hughes out there again until he straightens out his issues. Or I want him out as soon as it’s apparent that he’s blowing up.
I get no vote. But it’s what I want. Putting him out there to fail time after time certainly doesn’t bolster his confidence.
This reminds me of the Hughes/Kennedy experiment. I think they lost 5 games in a row each before Girardi finally made some changes.
Posada is so bad. Will it ever get to a point where Chavez becomes the DH?
Posada >:-(
managing in a real game would be 50 stories up.
you would have an emotional breakdown.
no way would you be able to do it.
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I don’t need to be lectured about failure from a bullpen catcher
Girardi has to consider playing Chavez more and Posada less.
That was an ugly swing from Posada
that slider has always been Posada’s kryptonite.
good pitch….
Carlo – agree.
Damn, I thought that was out.
nice hit, wish Swish would have scored.
GRANDY!!!!!!!
The grandy man can!!!!!
Nice stroke Granderson! Jussssst missed it!!!!!
Thanks WCYF.
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Thought Curtis tied the game there.
trisha – true pinstriped blue April 14th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
“cause I believe he will get better. unless there really is something wrong physically with him. people here say he was lucky he didn’t give up 8 runs. I look at it as a couple of plays of him still being in there down 3-1?
Wouldn’t you rather let him get better without it hurting the Yankees? Three games in a row. And you can’t keep putting the offense behind the 8-ball, or the bullpen for that matter.
I don’t care that Phil won 18 games last year. That was last year. I don’t want to hear that anymore. I totally believe in Hughes and believe he has the stuff to be great. But I don’t need him to discover the answer on the mound. Let him do it elsewhere and let him come back when he’s ready. His confidence has to be in the cellar. I bet he wouldn’t mind going elsewhere for a while.
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Supposedly this is a high scoring offense where it won’t hurt them too much. But rather him work through it up here for as long as they think he can.
wow, Swish is slow
almost a dandy… but i’ll take it.
needed a gust of wind there….. big AB here now.
BD – the point I was making was more on banuelos than on chicago. I agree with you, but I must note that danks has refused to negotiate an extension and they will have an extra starter when peavy returns so maybe they roll the dice.
why couldn’t Swish score on that
crap
Sterlinged again !!
“Posada is so bad. Will it ever get to a point where Chavez becomes the DH?”
Has to be getting there soon.
Guy has become like Cody Ransom… a HR or 2 every now and then, and do nothing the rest of the time. They can’t worry about feelings.
nice job getting the run in at least.
gotta get these runs home!
Close play at 1st.
Gardner so needs a hit here
wow, I thought Martin had a sure infield single there.
ouch.
take the run but that was a great defensive play.
Too bad Lee was able to scoop that ball
chances gardner gets granderson in from 2nd?
lets just hope Tex/Alex/Cano put three together in the 8th.
Carlo…
good point.
I’d like to keep Banuelos – maybe I’m stubborn and believe the Yankees CAN in fact develop a pitcher.
Or that Manny is so good that he’s impossible to mess up
“you could also walk across an 8 foot 2×4 if it was one foot off the ground, but if you tried to walk across that same 2×4 when it was up 50 stories, you would choke like a dog. you wouldn’t be able to do it
managing in a real game would be 50 stories up.
you would have an emotional breakdown.
no way would you be able to do it”
Most sensible post of the day…..
Chavez pinch hitting for Garnder here would of been nice
Can Gardner get on top of any fastball?
Gardner OBP: .238. Yeah, he’s the leadoff guy.
Too early to be really getting on the hitters imo.
take the run but that was a great defensive play.
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Orioles defense has been playing pretty good this series. They’d been sloppy against the Rangers and Tigers
Yanks NEED to win this so I don’t have to wonder if the Yanks would have easily won 2 games if Girardi hadn’t left Phil in too long.
Cmon Brett.
Too many holes in that yankee lineup
That’s two innings in a row with runners at second and third and one out. ONE base hit would have meant a tie game.
Gardner is officially awful. Might need to start seeing some A Jones
That’s two innings in a row with runners at second and third and one out. ONE base hit would have meant a tie game.
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But they got the run in from third, thats fundamental baseball.
“I don’t need to be lectured about failure from a bullpen catcher”
jerkface-
real managers appreciate bullpen catchers.
the fact you have so little respect for people that do the little things that make a team show you have no chance to be a mlb manager.
plus one big problem you’d have is getting your ass kicked by the 14 year old bat boy when you disrespected him
Ok I am joining the push to just stick Jeter at the top and send gardner back to 9th against lhp and rhp…
Jeter/Swish is better than Gardner/Jeter.
Joe Torre was a multiple world series winning manager.
So by the logic that this makes him impervious and one would have to say that all of the complaints about his bull pen usage was just “whining.”
Gardner is really overmatched by major league pitching
rally time boys. rally time
Gardner can get back to 9th without the pressure, and Jeter and Swish can function at the top, especially Swish.
plus one big problem you’d have is getting your ass kicked by the 14 year old bat boy when you disrespected him
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I’d like to see him get around my pocket protectors.
Gardner swing is getting long again.
“Supposedly this is a high scoring offense where it won’t hurt them too much.”
High scoring offense run into buzz saws. And high scoring offenses who have to constantly come from behind to win games because the pitcher puts them in a hole, wear down. We’ve been there, done that.
Did you feel the same way when Cone was killing the Yankees? At least he was a super star, so there was at least a little reason to let it linger (though it was horrendous watching him bury the team week after week after week.)
Hughes has a major problem apparently. The mound where games count in the standings is NOT the place for him to figure it out.
I think Montero will be the Dh come June.
Nice play by Derek
credit where it is due, nice play by Jeter.
Jeterian – good range there.
real managers appreciate bullpen catchers.
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Real bullpen catchers should also appreciate their manager for keeping them around. When you can show me respect, perhaps I’ll let you catch the minor leaguers
that was an awfully nice throw – right on line
man Colon is dealin..
Colon deserves at least one win. Next inning I think the Yanks strike!
Get Montero here as the backup and DH….. At this point he WOULD play everyday, as DH and catch 1-2 times a week..
I can’t wait to see Freddy Garcia finally get into a game!
Next inning is the highest leverage one in the game, Jeter-Tex-A-rod. Buck has said he won’t adhere to saves principle, will be interesting to see who he goes to
“man Colon is dealin..”
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it’s possible that he just looks that much better after watching hughes…
but his 2 seamer is really impressive so far. not many great swings – other than Markakis’ drive.
I was wondering if they would send Colon for the third inning.
Given that he is out there, I would not be surprised if he replaces Hughes next time in the rotation.
“I can’t wait to see Freddy Garcia finally get into a game!”
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well, he did pitch in Boston (and not great)
but his time is coming!
truthfully, this time i think girardi will do something with Hughes. He did not look happy when he came to get him….
AAA is not out of the question…
Get em out Joe
I think it’s time to take Colon out. He is probably at his limit….
“I’d like to see him get around my pocket protectors.”
jerkface-
all kidding aside.
you could be valuable in a front office.
you’re young enough to go for it if you really want to.
This is what Gardner does. You look at his at-bats and say he should be leading off. Then he gets the chance and doesn’t do anything for a week or 2. Then he’ll finally settle in and get hurt. And then he’ll come back in the 9th spot and get his walks and high pitch counts. Get back into the leadoff spot and then struggle in the beginning. He just needs to continue there no matter what.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t Hughes hitting 91-92 tonight. Forget the fact that his cutter s*cked…he is gaining arm strength and showing some improvement. IMO, he needs to continue to work under the eyes of Rothschild and work through this.
only thing if colon starts is that i feel he will go 60-65 pitches, then tire. That’s about what he has gotten to so far backing hughes….
And why change a good thing. he is fine where he is. Lets see what Noesi or Brackman can offer.
Jerkface,
you forgot Cano, Swisher, and Posada as the yanks put 2 on the board
Idk what’s more frustrating about the Hughes situation:
1. A 24 yr old losing 2-3 MPH off his fastball
or
2. Having a more reliable option at this point in the season in B. Colon.
Have Hughes work out of the bullpen and long toss for a couple of starts and use Colon for 2-3 starts.
gotta stop the bleeding
Aww Colon sucks two hits in a row.
“I’ll attach this article about how Chapman is able to achieve his velocity.”
Yankee Trader,
Chapman throws the ball as well as any pitcher I think I’ve ever seen. I posted about how he threw the ball many times here after he defected. He gets so much separation between his shoulder and hips its just amazing.
That said – Chapman right now is going through something very similar to what Hughes is now going through.
Chapman’s velocity has also disappeared. He’s having trouble throwing the ball 93 even in short relief stints.
And the reds don’t know why either.
But on the whole Hughes entire kinetic chain is off right now. If his arm strength is the issue then they have to rebuild that before any of those other parts work in coordination.
A little Bartolo love. That was nice. He had a little smile on his face.
Nice ovation for Colon. Well deserved.
“Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t Hughes hitting 91-92 tonight.”
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MLB had him around 91 on some pitches in the 1st inning, I believe. I think the YES gun was a tick high.
then it dropped.
Have Hughes work out of the bullpen and long toss for a couple of starts and use Colon for 2-3 starts.
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He isnt going to the pen. He will either get another start, Scranton, or they will finally find something wrong with his shoulder….
This is what Gardner does. You look at his at-bats and say he should be leading off. Then he gets the chance and doesn’t do anything for a week or 2
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Gardner leading off last year: .290 .412 .376 .789
Most of the lineup is struggling right now.
Thx BD…Listening to radio here, and I thought I recalled him getting his velocity up.
We have 5 of 9 starters hitting .230 or less right now and 3 of them have OBP’s in the .200′s.
Yes, yes, it’s early.
Good outing by Colon. Time to move him into the rotation. The rotation is not good and there is no reason to run anything less than the best 5 starting pitchers on the roster out there. If Hughes was the 5th starter behind cc, aj, lee, and andy i’d say we can afford these performances, but thats not the case. You cant have your “3rd” starting pitching like a 6th starter on a AAA team and just be ok with it. Cant do it.
“2. Having a more reliable option at this point in the season in B. Colon.”
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why is that frustrating?
It’s actually quite relieving.
Colon was starting to tire. The ball was getting up in the zone and he can’t live there any more.
The yankees are going to need to make a decision soon on Hughes. Because Colon may be getting to the point where he is going to need to go through a multiple appearance process to get stretched out again.
BD, I should have said start a game.
Patrick, if you’re here, damn I wish I was facing you this week!!!
This offense would benefit from Gardner back to 9th and Swish up to 2nd…. I dont care about the lHP/RHP. Swish hits well in the 2 hole.
This inning could be the game. Isn’t it funny how Girardi is always a batter or 2 too late. Colon isn’t built up enough to start. Right now he probably has 50 good pitches in him.
Need a k
Bojo,
tough to judge mph on the stadium radar gun – but Patrick (I think it was him) was posting the “more official” speeds a while back.
Either way, he did seem to tire somewhat quickly.
Joba, really?
wow. dodged a bullet there.
Yes!! He looked safe….
Nice planned play by Joba–they obviously weren’t expecting that!
That was close!
Wow. What a great tag by Joba.
Huge play
wow
close call
I dont care he tagged him out. It was a WP. Pull him.
Swisher is hitting: .229 .310 .257 .567
We can say he’d bat better in the 2 hole, but Gardner did very well leadoff last year.
They did get him. Good call.
He’s out. Sweep the leg Joba!
good call.. Joba completely blocked him (by accident)
” If his arm strength is the issue then they have to rebuild that before any of those other parts work in coordination.”
cb-
isn’t arm strength really a misnomer because the arm is at the end of that kinetic chain?
clearly out
nice play by Martin and Joba. well done.
Great play by joba
Buck “Fundamentals” Showalter really shouldn’t be yelling the ump when his own player couldn’t execute a proper hook slide to the plate nor did he run through the pitcher blocking the plate.
how bout Joba blocking the plate. See that’s what that bulk is for
He was clearly out on replay. Good call
BD (Boston Dave) April 14th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Bojo,
tough to judge mph on the stadium radar gun – but Patrick (I think it was him) was posting the “more official” speeds a while back.
Either way, he did seem to tire somewhat quickly.
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Tiring is a separate issue….can be fixed through more work. I was more concerned with velocity, and I think he made progress.
Great call. He never touched the plate.
Jerkface April 14th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
This is what Gardner does. You look at his at-bats and say he should be leading off. Then he gets the chance and doesn’t do anything for a week or 2
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Gardner leading off last year: .290 .412 .376 .789
Most of the lineup is struggling right now.
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I never said he was bad at leadoff. Just that it takes awhile for him to do something.
JOBA!!! C’mon lets get it done
Shades of post season gnat-gate 2008. Except we got the out.
Jobanating performance!
Kay is so fired up tonight. I love it.
That’s the Joba we love to see…
I AM LOVING JOBA SO MUCH!!!!!!!
Joba comes through big time
96 on the black….I’ll take it. Fantastic job by Jobber.
OH MY BLEEPING GOD!!!!!!
I LOVE JOBA CHAMBERLAIN!! BEAST MODE
Jerkface April 14th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
Gardner leading off last year: .290 .412 .376 .789
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Last year is last year. There is a book on Gardner now, he can’t hit for power and he walks a lot. So, they are now pounding the strike zone. He has a .256 OBP and has only walked 4 times. This is the problem with an over reliance on last year’s stats for a young ball player. Pitchers adjust.
Would we say that was a nice job? I’d say he saved his ass. Luckily.
This inning we take the lead and Joba gets the win!
wow, if the offense cannot tie the game, all the defensive efforts are wasted
Joba rules
that’s a scary play with joba blocking the plate like that.
i will say one thing about joba.
he’s plays hard.
stop throwing sliders Joba.. you had 94 heater earlier
There is a book on Gardner now, he can’t hit for power and he walks a lot. So, they are now pounding the strike zone. He has a .256 OBP and has only walked 4 times. This is the problem with an over reliance on last year’s stats for a young ball player. Pitchers adjust.
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There was a book on Gardner last year. He played in 08 and 09. What are you talking about?
yes he saved his ass on the past ball, but that fastball strike three was intense…. And the crowd got up for it.
People who say Hughes can’t get his velocity back up. Weren’t they saying the same about Joba? Sure he’s not throwing 99mph. But he’s not topping at 92-93.
“I was more concerned with velocity, and I think he made progress.”
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possibly – but it was only slight progress and I definitely don’t think he showed enough that anybody can be confident he’ll avoid a repeat performance @ Toronto next week.
any progress is good, of course… but he’s obviously not ‘right’
Now the bats have to do some damage and get the game to Mo
i still believe Joba can be saved and the future closer if Rivera ever retires…
“isn’t arm strength really a misnomer because the arm is at the end of that kinetic chain?”
randy,
It is. All the arm is, is the end of a whip. It’s the handle that generates all the power. So it is a catch all phrase for the entire kinetic chain.
Chapman is the best example of this I’ve every seen. He has the best kinetic chain on a pitcher I’ve every watched.
That said, I honestly have no idea what’s going on with Hughes. But from what we are told it actually may be an issue of how strong the end of the whip is so arm strength may be literal in this situation.
And it goes back to my theory that good players don’t suddenly forget how to play. You don’t trade them away, ahem, on dump all over them. You help them to get it back.
I was all for seeing Joba go down to AAA and start in games last season, do whatever he had to in order to regain the magic. I NEVER stopped believing in Joba. Correct? Correct.
Same thing with Hughes. Let him go and work out what he has to in order to rediscover his magic.
i would rather not have a pitcher go middle linebacker on a runner, but you gotta love joba’s enthusiasm for playing the game.
igotid88,
how long did it take Joba to get that velocity back?
Most of us believe Phil will be ok – but because nobody seems to know what is wrong or how long it will take to fix….
just saying.
gotta go it here…
Get Mariano up. We’re getting 2 here.
I never said he was bad at leadoff. Just that it takes awhile for him to do something.
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it didn’t take him a while to do something last year. He was hot up until he got injured. He didn’t struggle when he led off for the first time. His very first game leading off he went 2 for 3 with a walk.
Big guns up for the Yanks this inning
BD–
Unless they find an injury, I’d let Hughes work it out up here.
Mo wont get up until they tie it….
this is the inning….
2 runs
Mo closes the door
I was fired up by joba getting that out.
But the staff should really have a talk with him. He should not be blocking the plate.
He easily could have blown out his knee on that play.
# Fran the original April 14th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Big guns up for the Yanks this inning
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with one notable exception.
Time to take the lead….
so much for momentum……
Bojo,
Hughes is costing the team games. period.
what’s so bad about letting Colon have 2-3 starts so Hughes can improve without negatively affecting the team?
do you not think he can get back on track unless he’s in the pressure cooker of actual MLB games?
Need an A-bomb.
if the yanks don’t tie it. i would pinch hit chavez for posada
igotid, see my post at 9:39.
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THANK YOU LARRY ROTHSCHILD!!!!!
Big guns = Alex and Cano…
Not even close to a strike
that was at the shins!!
This is just not a good offense.
Ok time for a shot from Cano
Bojo,
further – if anybody knew with much certainty what was actually wrong with Phil… they could come up with a better ‘recovery’ plan.
But they don’t – and until they do, it doesn’t make sense to keep throwing him out there to get slaughtered.
Arod can’t be gotten out right now…..
only A-Rod is consistent in the lineup
Carlo, you mean Derek?
Bad call on the “strike 1″ pitch is why alex felt the need to swing at that curve in the dirt.
And Alex then changes his approach and gets very short and direct to the ball.
This may be the best Alex’s swing has looked since he was on Seattle.
I am very surprised Buck is letting this guy pitch to Cano…I think Robbie will make him pay
Cano, plate discipline
Robbie with one thought on his mind there….
wait for a mistake pitch!
IMO, Cano will not have nearly as good a season. He’s chasing many more bad balls.
Jerkface April 14th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
I never said he was bad at leadoff. Just that it takes awhile for him to do something.
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it didn’t take him a while to do something last year. He was hot up until he got injured. He didn’t struggle when he led off for the first time. His very first game leading off he went 2 for 3 with a walk.
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Possibly I’m just going by memory. All I remember was that he got hurt and the people on here were on him for not starting off great as a leadoff guy. But I know he did well overall.
Ok, time for Swish to make it happen….
Alex is killing the ball.
The Yankees 4-5 hitters have perfect swings right now.
Literally perfect swings.
BD (Boston Dave) April 14th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Bojo,
further – if anybody knew with much certainty what was actually wrong with Phil… they could come up with a better ‘recovery’ plan.
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I think the answer is “eat more pasta.” Seemed to work for Joba.
time for Swisher to quiet the LoHud critics!
lets go Nick!
please…….
CB,
If ever you had Alex set up to get him out….that was it and he still beat him. You’re right….he shortened up and just thought contact…..a departure from the groove swings you see from so many hitters these days
Please at least get a single.
Let’s go swish
awful swing
And the Clown swings wildly at a ball….
This would be a prime spot for Montero in the future. Batting after Cano.
Swish is too hype!
just need a base hit
swisher is so bad in these spots. so bad. especially at home.
Be patient Swish!!!
Swisher too anxiousl
Is Kevin Gregg hurt?
Swisher is completely useless. He’s like a hyperactive clown.
Carlo – stop with the jinx!
even if true!
he can come through
well since there is a change gardner gets up in the 9th, definitely gotta PH Chavez there.
That was really a moral victory by the Orioles, holding A-rod and Cano to singles
yeah, should ph Chavezin the 9th
NYY fan in NH April 14th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
This would be a prime spot for Montero in the future. Batting after Cano.
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I TOTALLY agree with you.
watch the curve in…. it is definitely coming.
Clutch opp Swish
ac1,
no doubt
I’d make him land it for a strike
Swisher sucks.
well that sucks
FAIL
gah lame
geez, not much faith.
Swisher is swinging the bad as bad or worse than Jeter and Gardner even.
I can think of 3 guys who are in deep funks right now.
Swisher and Posada are killing them. Another over anxious pathetic at bat.
bat swisher 10th
Another reason why I want to eventually replace Swisher with Bryce Harper
Does swish have a hit yet this year?
blake,
For me Alex’s best years as a hitter were when he was a kid at Seattle. I think over time he changed as a hitter especially when he got to Texas.
He became more home run oriented. He was still great. A different kind of great. But I think he was better when he was on Seattle.
He reminds me know more of the hitter he was when he was 21-22 right now. And that goes back to the adjustments he made in the second half of 2009.
And Swisher unfortunately tries to pull the pitch that’s down and away…
Yeah, keep getting mad Swisher. You’re useless in any high leverage situation this team needs you in. I’ve had it with him. The Yankees better not sign him to a big bucks extension.
Jerkface April 14th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
There is a book on Gardner now, he can’t hit for power and he walks a lot. So, they are now pounding the strike zone. He has a .256 OBP and has only walked 4 times. This is the problem with an over reliance on last year’s stats for a young ball player. Pitchers adjust.
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There was a book on Gardner last year. He played in 08 and 09. What are you talking about?
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Forget what – it’s where he’s talking from … out of his keister.
“This is just not a good offense.”
Johnson was pitching pretty well. They did get two hits off him.
Posada, Grandy, Martin coming up in the 9th
Baltimore doesn’t have the best closer.
Have faith – the Yanks are due for a walk-off, no?
What a turd Swisher is.
And does he ever NOT take a wild swing on the first pitch of a big AB.
That was the ballgame, folks.
Yanks are just not very good in clutch situations.
cb-
the one silver lining in this hughes mystery is it’s a good learning experience trying to understand what’s going on.
part of the strength that is needed in a throwing motion or a hitting motion is creating resistance and stopping motion of one body part to transfer the energy somewhere else so it ultimately snaps the whip.
hughes is somehow out of sync in that kinetic chain. i don’t think weakness in a muscle or an injury should be rules out no matter how much hughes says he’s fine.
the only way i leave in Posada is for the homerun or possible leadoff walk. But that’s asking too much.
The Grandy man can botto niner..
swisher is a .220 hitter with risp and two outs over the past 3 years.
Little as it may be, The Rays put another 1/2 game separation between themselves and the Sux with a win over the Twins in extra innings.
Again, if they can’t scratch out a win here the manager costs them another win.
“Another reason why I want to eventually replace Swisher with Bryce Harper”
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if Swisher is even on the team in 2017.
I don’t think they resign swisher.
It seems like Arod and Cano have been left on base like a million times so far this season. Swisher had Cano on 2nd no one out and didn’t get him over and now that at bat swinging at crap in the dirt.
Swisher hit .287 .382 .457 .839 with RISP last year, but I’m sure no one here noticed
wow.
“Again, if they can’t scratch out a win here the manager costs them another win.”
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it really does stink – very frustrating.
at a minimum 2 games, arguably 3. out of 11!
NYY fan in NH April 14th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
This would be a prime spot for Montero in the future. Batting after Cano.
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I TOTALLY agree with you
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Bojo, Posada is old and hit or miss now. Swish is too streaky. Montero hight OBP, power and hits to all fields. I hope he bounces back quickly at Scranton and takes the A train to the Bronx soon.
CB,
Yea, can’t argue with you there….I think this is the shortest his swing has been since then. He looks incredible.
Maybe his personality is good for the clubhouse, but from a baseball perspective, Swisher is adding nothing to the ballclub. He seems to get a pass, but the yanks should always be looking for an upgrade in RF.
Swisher was fine last year…..
“Little as it may be, The Rays put another 1/2 game separation between themselves and the Sux with a win over the Twins in extra innings”
Good. Every little bit helps.
Would be nice to have Montero up 2 games as Dh and 2 as catcher. Unless that’s too little
.293 .388 .534 .923 2 outs with RISP
Jerkface April 14th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
There was a book on Gardner last year. He played in 08 and 09. What are you talking about?
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He played partial seasons in both years and his OBP was much lower than it was in 2010. The league has a much better idea as to what his game is all about. We’ll see how he does the rest of the year.
joba is in full beast mode
Hope we get some pie in the bottom of the 9th
They are going to give Posada some time to adjust, but i hope by May, if he cant hit, we see Montero.
Girardi would never pinch hit for Posada. He is too scared of him and Jeter.
BD – my jinx efforts are actually reverse jinx efforts. I say “this guy wont get a hit here” in the hope that he will so everyone can mock me ……… and that would be fine as it would mean we did something well.
Unfortunately, swisher is so putrid at home in big spots that it simply cannot be overcome with a reverse jinx.
Who is going to weigh more in 2012 – Colon or Jaba? I mean, Joba…
he gets a K, we see the chest thump?
that slider is wipe out….no chance to hit that pitch when its like this.
Swisher was great with men on base last year. No reason to think he’s not going to get back to that.
The team still hasn’t hit it’s rhythm offensively. They will though.
I never liked this lineup. I want Gardner hitting 9th, Swisher hitting 2nd and Martin hitting higher.
Jeter
Swisher
Tex
A-Rod
Cano
Martin
Granderson
Posada
Gardner
Fran,
that probably means that the worst human beings on the planet – Gardner and Jeter – actually get hits.
it might be too much for the blog to take.
but i believe they’ll do it
98!
He played partial seasons in both years and his OBP was much lower than it was in 2010. The league has a much better idea as to what his game is all about. We’ll see how he does the rest of the year.
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So you think… after holding Gardner to a low OBP in 08 and 09, most likely based on the scouting report that he takes pitches and has no power, they decided to hell with that in 2010?
Joba was absolutely dominating this outing. Just beastly.
Even in 09 , when Swisher did not have a high average with RISP or RISP 2 outs (.220 and .160) he still got on base above .370 in both those situations.
Joba so rocks it isn’t funny. I’m so happy for him. So many people were reading to s-can him and throw him on the trash heap. Thankfully the Yankees don’t think the way fickle fans do!
CB April 14th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Again, if they can’t scratch out a win here the manager costs them another win.
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I don’t think it’s on Girardi. They had their chances to blow the game open.
ok so the 9th. Chavez has to hit for either Posada or Gardner (if they get to Gardner).
Also, since Jeter is inept in the 9th inning, hope it doesnt come to that.
And don’t forget these are the games the Yanks HAVE to win with so many road contests in the second half. They’ll have no chance playing .500 ball at home for the first few months.
CB,
i hope Colon and Joba’s performance aren’t lost and for naught.
both are really impressing – (Colon especially considering the expectations for him)
The reason that Joba is a constant topic of conversation and the reason folks have frustration with regards to him is because of outings like that…..he gives you a taste of just greatness and you want more.
Joba threw a wild pitch that should have put the game out of reach. Way too many accolades for that performance.
Another Jobanating inning! Joba deserves a win tonight…Let’s go Yankees!
guess they are letting posada get out #1
BD,
BD,
Let’s hope. Kevin Gregg can be extremely erratic. He has ugly arm action.
Whatever happens, my greatest interest will be in what Girardi intends for Hughes. My guess is he wouldn’t disclose it even if he had the answer.
2.00 WHIP for Gregg
he can be beaten
Hip hip jorge
I called it. POPO
Hip Hip
Part 1–done. Check!
YAY…..designated Home run hitter strikes again!!!!
no way, guess he told me!
soo……..who hates Posada now
BOOM
OH
MY
GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don’t sleep on Po!!!
Yeah. That’s Yankee baseball.
Gregg sucks….lets win this thing.
Posada had good timing there.
JORGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jorge with another HR
Well this sample size for Posada is probably the most extreme “all or nothing” baseball ever played.
Jorge is giving us all the finger….
and that’s ok!
Hip hip!!!!
Sterling singing “All or Nothing at all” almost made me lose my dinner.
Get the pie in the oven, quick…
ok who gets the pie?
Cripes, we should have had Jorge at DH last year!!!
Fun times in the new ballpark!
i don’t like extras hopefully we finish this now…..go Grandy!!!
get the pie ready AJ
let’s go Grandy
YES…..Markakis almost made an incredible play
Uehara is a better pitcher than Gregg.
Now Curtis on 2nd with 0 outs.
Have to move him to 3rd here
pie for Martin?
Jorge juiced one!
I was gonna say leave in Gardner for his speed and/or possibly bunt someone over
I’m hungry – sure could go for a piece of PIE!
I think Gregg has found his velocity.
Russell Martin deserves some pie.
Posada,”I hit homeruns. As a DH that’s what is expected of me.
posada is such a piece of crap.
he doesn’t have a clutch bone in his body.
no way i want to see him hitting when the playoffs come
Fran,
we called it!
it only takes a few AB to completely turn the ship around!
lets get this done
Don’t bunt martin
This is just an extremely tough lineup for pitchers to navigate thru…..
Have to bunt here IMO
this team gives gifts to those who are patient
Please do not bunt
We want pie
Please hit away Martin
wow the stadium is showing life.
would not bunt Martin with Gardner up, unless they send Chavez instead.
does Martin know how to bunt…maybe they should just let him swing away
not sure i bunt with Gardner on deck
Russell martin wants pie.
Grandy is really starting to get his stroke back. It’s coming around.
He’s behind the other guys from all that time he missed in spring training when he was so locked in.
But he’s getting back to that.
russel martin doesn’t look too good bunting
bunt
Ballsy call Joe. Small ballsy’s..
It should be an automatic fine when a pro bunts a pop up.
gregg gave up a homer and a double, why give a free out.
ac1,
I am a Gardner supporter, but there is no doubt I’d ratehr see Chavez up right now with a man on 3rd and 1 out.
Gregg can have very poor control. Don’t think bunting here is warranted.
ugh.
Bunt Martin
Suicide squeeze for Gardner.
Win the game.
They must pinch hit Chavez for Gardner.
please please pinch hit for gardner.
Make Gregg prove that he can actually throw the ball where he wants.
CB,
even when Granderson has been getting out, he’s had quite a few good ABs and has made the pitcher work.
He was seeing hte ball ok – just missing.
He’ll be fine as you know.
D-Man, Gardner can’t bunt.
Poor at bat for Martin.
Chavez please
really? he is letting gardner hit?
Y in the world would he bunt Martin? The runner is already at 2. And for Gardner??
no PH?! wtf?
come on Gardy
poor AB only because he didnt get the bunt down
that was a pretty good pitch – good sink
How about pie for Gardner to help boost his confidence.
Why can’t anyone on this team bunt?
What is Kevin Long teaching them during BP?
BD,
It comes down to Gardner and Jeter like we said
“this team gives gifts to those who are patient”
maybe he will just stare at 3 strikes
What a waste of an at bat.
The guy can’t throw strikes and they just give him two strikes with the bunt.
Unbelievable.
Thats is Brett keep looking at strikes
Can’t give him that outside
Would like to see chavez here instead of gardner
Cmon…foot, meet throat
BD – Gardner cant be trusted to deliver here.
Typical girardi. Saved by HR
Gregg has waken up.
Yanks cant let him off the hook
Jeter hasn’t been pie’d yet.
GArdner is gonna slap one to left
Gardner’s swing is really getting long again.
# ac1 April 14th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
gregg gave up a homer and a double, why give a free out.
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it’s in the binder
Gardner just missed trhat
smell a pie single
wow, who didnt see that coming.
What stupid managing is that? You have Chavez on the bench and you let Gardner hit?
Up to Jeter now.
Gardner is really struggling
Gardner is late on everything.
Really want to see Jeter get pie’d.
no need to throw strikes to GArdner right now
just throw them tailing into the dirt until he misses
Captain strikes!
Absolutely awful swing. Embarrassing.
Gardner is going to start hearing boos soon
Whoever said Gardner is better than Crawford should apologize.
Brett looks so flat footed and poorly balanced
Predictable result – Gardner is overpowered by a FB.
Gardner is late on everything.
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They are pitching him away and he is trying to go the other way
Unreal…Gardy is going to whiff his way to the bottom of the order.
A-Rod wants pie
just Godawful from Gardner and Jeter
Captain is an easy out now
Darn! I wanted Joba to get the win!
Once it was left for Gardner and Jeter, it was not going to happen.
I guess it will be up to Alex to win it…..
well, Orioles have used 3 of their top 4 bullpen arms.
Yanks have used 1 – and their pen is better.
if necessary
Just awful. Runner on 2nd no one out.
welp i guess i’ll take the tie
2nd, no out and nothing.
At least Alex and Cano get the chance in the 10th.
Hey good thing they tried to bunt Martin right???
Derek just didn’t want to get pie.
Guess it will be Alex in the 10th.
the top of this order is literally a welcome sight for opposing pitchers. horrible work there by 9-1-2. didnt even need a hit to win this game.
Should have let Martin swing away.
hey
it’s Tex, Alex, and Cano in the 10th
advantage: Yanks
The Yankees will still win.
Fran…..Good call on Alex
Dumbass joe g strikes again.
Why use your third best hitter to bunt.
Gardner needs to get back to what he was doing so well last season. He was very short and direct to the ball and just tried to hit it the other way.
He looks confused up there trying to do too much with his swing. In turn it’s getting long again.
And Jeter – he just looks sad up at the plate now.
As bad as Jeter looks (and he looks really bad) Gardner might be even worse. He looks totally over-matched against everyone.
I was gonna say what if Jeter gets hit with pie and gets injured and is out 3-4 months
you gotta move DJ out of the 2 spot.. and BG out of 1 for that matter.. horrible at bats.
Imagine if they had a top of order who could actually get on??
Orioles might be forced to stick with Gregg in the 10th.
He did settle down that inning but I’d like to see him throw the fastballs he threw to Tex, Alex, and Cano.
I can’t believe that Girardi didn’t pinch hit Chavez for Gardner. That was 3 awful at bats. It’s obvious that Martin doesn’t know how to bunt so why are you asking him to bunt?? Then overmatched Gardner and Jeter swings at the 1st pitch…
Anyway–this is why Girardi can run Hughes out there again and let him work his way back…The bullpen and offense will bring the game back. It’s a huge luxury other teams don;t have…
But Girardi and Cashman can let Hughes work with their best coach and get through this.
And then trade the bum for Josh Johnson.
Pat – at what point do they tell brett to go back to his approach from last year where he showed better balance and let a hand fly off the bat?
Captain Groundout
# BoJo April 14th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Darn! I wanted Joba to get the win!
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based on how he’s pitching he’ll get some more along the way
hated the Martin bunt call. He’s swinging the bat well and you get him in a 2 strike hole trying to bunt Granderson over…..I think you give him a chance to knock that run in there.
no matter….need a shut down inning here then Tex, Arod, Cano will have a chance to win it.
I think jeter just doesnt want to ever get pied, so he doesnt bother.
Someone mentioned balance at the plate. Both Gardner and Jeter have terrible balance, lunging and reaching with no power. Jeter is old and washed up, he has an excuse. Gardner has no excuse.
Man on second with no outs should score every time.
“I can’t believe that Girardi didn’t pinch hit Chavez for Gardner.”
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I dont think it made as much sense unless Grandy was on 3rd with 1 out.
“Brett looks so flat footed and poorly balanced”
Pat M.,
He really does. He looks like he’s up there trying to think about hitting rather than just doing it.
He needs to get back to keeping things simple.
remember,
O’s haven’t scored since Hughes left the game (well, all runs charged to Phil)
Yanks have the momentum, better bullpen, and the bats coming up int he bottom half.
CB – last year Gardner basically followed through with one hand on the bat……..it almost seems like he is so focused on keeping both hands on the bat through the zone now that he is mechanical and slow to everything.
Gardner looks to me like he’s more interested in working the count than hitting.
nice.
whew
you’re probably right blake
“hated the Martin bunt call. He’s swinging the bat well and you get him in a 2 strike hole trying to bunt Granderson over…..”
Completely agree. I hate it even more because Gregg is so erratic. They just gave him an out.
Really unfortunate.
But that’s what the recipe says to do…
I want the Yanks to win even more to make Phil feel better.
the guy can’t feel too good right now.
“It almost seems like he is so focused on keeping both hands on the bat through the zone now that he is mechanical and slow to everything.”
Agreed. He looks like he’s thinking about how to swing.
That swing he took to strike out was as bad a swing as you’ll see at this level.
It’s just strange seeing Jeter take an outside pitch and rolling over it….that’s been his bread and butter his hole career shooting that thing the other way. It just looks uncomfortable….like he’s still trying to figure out when to swing.
Fantasy people- Mauer to DL
Vlad will still scare me as a hitter when he is 50
pie time!
He just makes it look so easy.
There are so many moving parts to Vlad’s swing.
Nice inning for Mo. Now let’s win this game with the middle of the order coming up!!!
Hip HIp Jorge is a World Wide Twitter trend
blake,
very true – good point
he never used to pull that ball. in fact pitchers wouldnt even throw that pitch to him bc he’d take it the other way for a hit.
Pat M.
I hope I’m right. Of course, if it’s Tex that’s ok too
Another snoozer innings for Mariano. Thanks for coming fellas, go play defense now.
Walk off time
c’mon Mo, a base hit….you’re slipping (:
“Vlad will still scare me as a hitter when he is 50″
He might be 50 now.
There are so many moving parts to Vlad’s swing.
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He is a guy who gets by on preternatural ability
Is it me or is Mo wearing his cap with a little tilt to it?
Next he’s going to have a tattoo!
Vlad might have some of the best hand eye coordination in the history of the game….he has to to hit the way he does and to swing at the pitches he does.
Good decision by Girardi to use Rivera though it is not a save situation.
worldwide
Roddy…do what you do when you do what you do.
pat April 14th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
Fantasy people- Mauer to DL
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Wow! What a day for DL stuff! Anyone hear what Gary Sanchez issue was yet?
ho hum….another quick inning for the great one.
whats wrong with Mauer
“There are so many moving parts to Vlad’s swing.”
There’s a lot of movement in his set up. But once the ball is thrown he’s extremely direct and efficient to the ball. Not alot of excess movement in getting to launch position and attacking from there.
He’s just lost bat speed and he can no longer get away with being so non-selective on pitches.
Jerkface April 14th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
There are so many moving parts to Vlad’s swing.
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He is a guy who gets by on preternatural ability
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first time i saw that word was on a Pearl Jam song. Severed Hand
if tex doesnt, alex is going to end this.
Gonzalez is garbage.
Gonzalez stinks as well….win this here.
bilateral leg weakness/soreness.
Guess that moves both his legs hurt?
Mistake to bring the lefty in to face Tex then A-Rod
Hey joe, if he walks tex, to you use alex to bunt him over?
Lookin’ yard . . .
oh my
Game time. Let’s end it ARod.
Ok Tex – take the walk. Then pinch run Nunez. Then have
Alex bunts Nunez over to 2nd
Then give Cano/Swish the chance to drive him in from 2nd
pinch run here?
Alex is the guy you want up right now.
Carlo….CB nailed Brett’s problem at the plate, he needs to shorten up and just stroke the ball where’s pitched….Simplify his approach and stop getting into pitcher’s counts right now
Alex is the guy you want up right now.
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A bad lefty against alex, should be looking to win the game here
He might hit A-Rod
need to get it from arod or cano…
A-rod. Pie. Maybe??
booyah
Alex is so locked in.
ok cano, anything but a K.
geez, A-Rod is HOT!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn!! A-Rod almost got some pie.
Close, just hit it too much on a line
Arid is locked in
Alex with a big double
Pat M, I was close
Arod is so insane. Love him.
Alex….en fuego!
I like this
guess its Cano’s turn, good job Alex
My man-crush is growing.
He’s just in one of those zone like he was in the 09 playoffs where you can’t get him out. He’s still the best player in baseball when he’s right.
I really feel like I’m watching the 19 year old kid playing shortstop for the Mariners…
Just a machine. Best player in the AL.
Gotta walk Cano here…
should have listened to me!
but no need to risk it.
Alex is a machine – Yanks will get this done.
can you be any more locked in?
All we need is a fly ball.
patience cano, you will get something.
you can’t screw this up right
eerily reminiscent of the double he hit in philly in the world series when tex went first to 3rd and gave the “atta baby al” fist pump and yell.
need cano to do this. no faith in swish
CB,
short short swing and lightening to the ball….that wasn’t there last season
Sorry arod
Major kudos to Colon who kept the Yankees in the game and gave us a chance to win.
CB, what I’m really puzzled at is the apparent change in Phil’s delivery. How could it change so much from last year – and actually from when he was in the minors? Is his delivery being affected by the arm? It’s confusing as to know where to start with him. I can’t imagine that this is a permanent thing, but who knows. Would you do what the Jays did with Halladay and have him broken down completely?
I don’t understand not pinch running Nunez. You have Chavez to play first.
Tex – ARod – Cano. It’s like carrots – celery – onion.
Mmmmmmmmmm
blake
i cant believe Alex got that ball fair
impressive
Gardner is just not an aggressive hitter at all. Takes to many pitches that are hittable.
I know his job is to get on base, but MAN, swing the damn bat like a hitter !
i bet if they get to 1 out, maybe nunez for tex.
why aren’t they walking cano?
blake,
We didn’t see it at all last season. No holes whatsoever.
When he’s swinging like this he’s better than Albert.
real character win for us tonight if we can get it.
Alex isn’t just hot at this point – he’s just one of the greatest players ever showing what he can do now that he’s actually healthy. Man, I love watching him play the game
even now it makes sense to pinch run
in case of shallow(er) fly ball
BD,
that’s a really tough pitch to keep fair…
OOOPS
Oh come onnnnnnnnn
Why didn’t they have Cano bunting there!?!?!
now i would pinch run for tex.
unlucky Cano….
You can only hit it hard…
Really no excuses if we don’t win this game
Sheer luck. Unbelievable. Cano smoked that ball.
Awful decision by Showalter to allow robbi to possibly beat them.
Swisher needs to break out now. This would be a very good time.
Boston Dave – swisher has no chance of winning this game for us. he is bad.
Swisher is due. At least a sac fly
BoJo April 14th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Why didn’t they have Cano bunting there!?!?!
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Really??? First of all Cano doesn’t know how to bunt and second its Cano why the heck would you have him bunt
swisher likes pie
Good teams come back to win. That’s what makes champions.
Sweet!
Swisher is the BEST!
there ya go….
wheeewwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yankees Win!!!!!
PIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hotness!!!! Good job Swish!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That’s a great win by the Yankees. Ton of credit to Colon in this one and the Yankee bats for not giving up.
Great win…
Joba should get a lot of credits.
Swisher is a complete and utter clown. Sticking his tongue out after hitting a barely-deep enough sac fly?
Yup, Colon was invaluable.
nice comeback!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trade him now while he is hot.
Yay!
Thank you Colon, Joba, Mo, Alex, and Posada.
beautiful.
Swishalicious!
ARod/Joba/Colon….
Stars of the game.
YES.
Nice win by the Yankees
I should say the 1st place Yankees.
Great at bat for Swisher.
And look at how he got the job done – he just took the ball to right field.
But once again, Alex Rodriguez put this team on his back and won them this game.
Huge win.
5 game lead over Sawx and sole possession of 1st!
Here it comes…
Colon gets the game ball and he should get the ball for Hughes’ next turn.
pie!!!!!
Now just got to figure out Hughes and get the top order started.
Just enough to win. Bullpen really came through.
Hope GI Joe learns something from this start of Hughes. Still pullin’ for Phil to make it all the way back.
Orioles quietly in a 4 game skid.
AJ’s rubbing the towel into the face too much. Gotta hit and run if you want to leave the cream on the face.
Baseball tonight showing clips comparing Hughes last year to this year.
Man. It’s just so ugly. His kinetic chain is awful right now.
Arod is amazing.
It would have been a good twist if he’d thrown Felix Pie onto Swisher.
It’s almost impossible for a baseball player to carry a team, but Alex did it in 2007 and he could do it here.
I can’t praise Colon enough………….
CB,
you better trademark ‘kinetic chain’ pronto!
Michael Kay will be using it relentlessly if he reads this blog.
now, tough test in weekend
Betsy,
I’m with you. Colon was key in this game.
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Nick,
I like your twist on the pie
Thank God it didn’t come down to Gardner and Jeter, the Deadly Duo…..nice comeback,never quit attitude,ARod is having a great year…..
Start the chant…MVP! MVP!
What did the Baseball Tonight guys notice about Hughes? Any mechanics out of whack?
Alex should be player of the game
Damon had a walkoff also in the Rays win over Minnesota. That’s the 4th place Rays.
What’s cooler than having the newly minted AJ delivering the pies!
GREAT win!!!
Showalter took the loss by bringing in Gonzalez to turn Tex around and face A-Rod who’s not having any trouble with lefties this year.
Yankees now 2-0 against Showaltorioles!!
Great comeback win!
Some of the hitters will come around. But, Pitching is still the game.
Bucky boy shouldn’t have badmouthed Jeter ! Ha Ha !
Yanks, like any team will feed on that.
Pretty much what hurt Hughes today was the cutter to Markakis.
This was a huge win.. it was one of those games where the offense looked terrible at the beginning of the game.. and them coming back was a huge win and confidence booster. Man where would they be without Arod?
Gotta hand it to the great defensive plays tonight too.. the only thing pitiful and ugly in this game was Gardner and Jeter yet again.. don’t know what to say/do there, but they can’t continue in the 1,2 spot much longer.. I’d surely switch it up by now.
P….I can see Gardner being moved out of the 1 and 2 holes, Jeter will remain there, probably until his hitting gets so bad that he actually tells Girardi to move him down in the lineup…..